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Christians VS Atheists Discussion /w Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Jesus reminds me. I belong to him.
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  I got to be honest with you, Ryan that song kind of gets me.
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  It gets me to every time I hear it.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  You know what? I'm going to grab the cough drop
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  real quick. That might help me out a little
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  bit here. Tonight you go ahead.
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  Thank you. Everybody for tuning in to
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  Proverbs guy Ministries that has no longer official at his
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  ministries. I don't know if any of you guys
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  can see this, but we have an awesome guest with us today.
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  Mister Brett Keane is in the house to hang out with us, how
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  you doing. Pretty good.
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  Looking forward to seeing what the conversations about.
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  I'd like to suggest that our man here has some hot tea.
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  That always helps me. Yeah, right.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  I appreciate that. It's just like, I like, I like
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  cold symptoms, really thankful. He felt like really bad or
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  anything like that. Just feels like I've got a bit
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  of a cold and I'd like to think I'm getting over it.
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  I hope I am. Join us tomorrow night bread for
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  the Flat Earth debate. But you know what?
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  My views always been the Earth is pizza shaped what was so far
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  we only have globers. We have no flat Earth unless
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  missing. Mod comes on she can present the
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  flat-earth argument. So we might have to default to
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  the pizza shape. A flat earther won't come on.
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  Proverbs you might be able to help missing mod was something
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  she plans on interviewing me and throwing out all kinds of
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  questions. You can tell her all the weird
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  ones to ask me. I would be happy to help her
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  with that. I think it would be great for
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  her to interview you. Yeah, I'm missing something.
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  If you're looking for experience, with interviewing,
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  Brett Keane is the guy to hit. Before I go any further, let me
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  go to the Lord in prayer real quick.
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  Do you Lord. I just want to thank you for
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  this opportunity. Just incredible up to me that
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  you've given me and getting all of us to glorify you and to
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  minister to people through you and to bless others through you,
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  Lord, bless you bless others. Us is what I mean, I pray that
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  everybody doing tonight was blessed by what they here
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  tonight. Thank you for all you do for a
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  speech and every day you just hang up for it.
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  Hey I see. Dustin is here.
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  Good just to you. I'm coming you tonight for my
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  iPhone because Maya PC has a blown power supply and so it's
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  in the shop right now. But you know there's more than
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  one way to skin a cat as they say there's more than one way to
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  put on a YouTube show me yard sales that we had duston with us
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  from and Grayson is with us. Yes, yes, I just see them.
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  Good to see both of you. Both of you were waiting on our
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  special guest. I just got a message from me,
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  says, yes, sir. And let will get in here.
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  So our special guest tonight is someone That well I'll wait till
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  he gets here. I want to say that I was
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  watching a joker be video earlier and he was talking about
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  it's off the Curt airb often 2019 was a very pivotal year for
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  a ham as far as the Lord's chasing him.
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  And apparently you're not been right with God and not going
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  walking with the Lord like you should have been in, in 2019,
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  God chastens him. He lost everything.
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  I had to move in with his him and his wife had to move in with
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  his parents and I'm thinking you and me.
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  But what I did not say that severe but I was also chastened
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  in 2019 when I had not been walking with the Lord, like I
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  should have and someone that I made into an idol.
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  Turn against me and betrayed me and hurt me very badly, but I
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  need it, I need it, I wouldn't be here.
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  Now, if I did not happen, I'd still be a slumbering, Carl
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  Tristan or whatever. I was at the time.
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  So I think you know God sometimes has to bring pain into
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  our lives to grow us and that's exactly.
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  What happened in my case? But we're waiting on a special
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  guest. A young man that I know I was
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  telling you before the show Brian about the the new friend I
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  had made today, you had got brought up, I was telling him
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  about all my different hosts and he pointed something out that I
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  honestly think has eluded me many times about your testimony
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  when I told him that you had been redeemed for someone to
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  come out of that Community. That's a miracle and I hit me
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  Ryan. I didn't think about it till
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  just then Thank you, thank you Tina.
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  I want to spoil, you know, I wouldn't be here.
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  I wouldn't be anyone. I would have anything if it
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  weren't for God, He gets all the glory.
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  He gets all the honor and everything I have is in his
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  hands. This is who I am a child of God
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  but we have a special guest with us.
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  Tonight is a young man that I first discovered on YouTube
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  about sometime between six months and a year ago.
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  Can't remember the exact date but you know how YouTube suggest
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  videos for you? But I suggested a video from a
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  channel called The Gospel call. And if you want to put that on a
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  banner Steven, that would be awesome.
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  For the gospel in his name is Samuel spoonhour?
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  And I was so impressed was just so I mean, I wouldn't have the
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  courage to walk up to a stranger and start share the gospel with,
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  maybe maybe that's coming. Maybe God is getting me there,
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  but the ministry was called Brian.
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  The gospel call. The gospel call and I've seen
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  him grow. I think you got close to 200.
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  You know, God, I mean you're just one more Godly.
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  Young person that he has brought to my attention to support and
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  promote, like the singing groups that I'm friends with.
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  And, of course, course The Buckinghams, which hopefully
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  Jeremiah will be in here shortly.
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  Gloria said that he had been asleep.
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  But Samuel. Why don't you tell us a little
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  bit about yourself and how you, how you came to be where you are
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  now. I'm torn.
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  How you can you hear me? All right, by the way, that's
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  good. Well, again, my name is Samuel
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  spoonhour? I'm from, I'm from cheese
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  country. So Greene County actually is
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  known as the cheese capital of the world.
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  So he's Factory. Thank you for your service.
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  I appreciate that. Thank you, and your welcome.
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  So call Klondike cheese in that actually is kind of turned into
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  a ministry as well. I, I think God everyday for the
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  influence. I can have there before I had
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  cuz I I'd gone off to For some for the summer.
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  But before I left one of my co-workers told me that I I know
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  the answers for every one of his questions is actually getting
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  hard for him to ask me more questions and you just come up
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  with the weirdest of questions to like the dumbest of things.
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  And God gave me the wisdom. So I think God for that cuz she
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  really blessed me. But I started doing my YouTube
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  channel about 2 years ago in July, and I had over, probably a
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  year-and-a-half had watch Ray Comfort a lot, and just seeing
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  him interview people and talk to people in person and also
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  explaining how to share the gospel.
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  And I always wanted to not only get better at it, cuz I, I
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  prayed to God that he would just help me to get better at
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  evangelizing. I've started handing out tracks,
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  probably, when I was I think like 16 I had an RC car that I
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  would take the parts and I would actually bring John and Roman
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  slow little Bibles with me and hand those out.
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  I was always scared to death. I definitely have fear of people
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  and then going up to them. I love feeling exactly.
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  It's not it's not always easy but my heart and even though I I
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  thought it was my idea and it kind of was but God God used it.
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  Anyways like he knew I was going to do that.
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  He knew I was going to go out with a camcorder and just ask
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  people for interviews and Boy, I can look at my first interview
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  is I'm like wow that's not that good but hey you gave him the
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  gospel. Right.
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  And now it's just God has blessed me with knowledge and
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  more wisdom and things. I'm still learning and he's just
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  continually causing me to grow and I've seen people not only
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  think me many times for the, for the influence I made in their
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  lives. But even my family is trying to
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  get better about evangelizing everyday and they're like, they
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  always tell me, you'll be proud of me saying that I handed out
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  the track today and I'm like, well, praise God, you know, do
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  it for the Lord. But it's just God's been so
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  great to me. And he's, he's really blessed me
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  and I can't wait to see what he's going to do in my life.
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  Amen. Brother Samuel.
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  Damon, you keep doing what you're doing?
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  You mind, if I ask you, how old you are?
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  Yes, I'm 21 or right around Jeremiah's age and hopefully,
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  he'll be in here soon. Both, you guys are just on fire
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  for the Lord. He's also a channel if you want
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  to check it out saying, Calling All Saints.
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  And their some videos of me on there to that he's had me.
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  But the reason I'm even here, How long ago Stephen would you
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  set about 3 months ago, that you got the idea of putting me on
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  here? I never got the idea.
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  It was all God. Well, let me rephrase that God
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  gave you that idea. So you told me first about doing
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  this and then I said well you know I never even dreamed of
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  doing what I'm doing now. Honey, I've always been I'll
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  just watch I'll just listen but Steven encouraged me to start
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  coming into the rooms and he he told me showed me how to do
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  screen mirroring all that. And so the day, Samuel the day
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  that Stephen suggested that I start getting on his channel and
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  getting my testimony and all that.
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  The very next day, when the three of us were Samuel
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  Christian, Pike in me, where Tristan Pikes house eating
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  lunch, the phone rings, and Jeremiah, Buckingham calls me up
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  with the same idea and I'm like, that's exactly what Steven wants
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  me to do. Jeremiah and I told him, I said,
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  you know what, if I've got two friends coming up with the same
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  idea, independently of like of each other, it means God wants
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  me to do it. That's on about how my pastor
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  got had been after him to write an autobiography and he kept
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  putting it off and putting off and putting off knee.
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  Finally got something finally happening where I couldn't speak
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  and say, okay, got a right to even started getting better
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  after that and have like a targeted audience, like, you try
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  to go into atheistic communities LG TV or just anywhere you're at
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  Well, mostly each video is targeted to different sect of
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  people, but I have definitely had a lot of atheists interviews
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  and those are usually the ones that get the most views, but
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  also atheists in the comments section and a lot of interviews.
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  Yes, I do. I actually did one today with a
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  lovely Christian lady and just I was able to give her some
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  encouragement and so I I go out now.
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  Mondays Tuesdays and Thursdays. He used to be every day, but I I
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  cannot handle it. I understand it it I stressed
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  about it which is not good. Evangelizing, for the Lord's.
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  It should be a pleasure and a joy.
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  Sorry, I take more time into it, but I also try to be more
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  relaxed and, or are you looking for more interviews?
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  Because I'm not sure if you're from the You're with him.
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  But Brett Keane is in the audience with us tonight and at
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  one point and YouTube history. Brett Keane was the most popular
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  atheist on all of YouTube and really a believer in God and
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  Christ Jesus. He's with us tonight.
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  But he's one of the most hated men on YouTube because of that
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  testimony. So that would be a good a good
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  interview for you. I believe, praise God, that is,
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  that is awesome. I I definitely would consider
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  that sincerely. That is, that is a great
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  opportunity to check out his channel sometime.
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  I think it's is a Brett Keane TV or Brett Keane, official turn
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  it. But nowadays, you can just go to
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  at Brett Keane and that's it, youtube.com at breakfast.
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  Thanks so much Samuel. I'm hoping and praying that we
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  can boost your channel tonight. Some of the people watching will
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  subscribe to your channel and you know I when I first
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  discovered you, I felt the Lord was saying Encourage him support
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  and promote him if you can any way that you can and, you know,
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  and God has laid. I guess Jim's ears on my hard as
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  far as those that did love the Lord and they want to reach
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  their generation with the guy in August.
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  I just I mean I know so many of them.
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  Now the styles that the family solve the 3 Heath Brothers
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  Children of the promise there's a young man named, Kobe Smith
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  gen Z Ministries that God brought to my attention also.
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  And he lives in Georgia are the 3.
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  Heath brothers are going to be performing in East Dublin,
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  Georgia in October, and I have a feeling that Colby and his
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  family live pretty close to there.
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  So, I'm hoping that they can join me to see them that day,
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  but it's so weird. You know, this past weekend, not
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  this past week, and the one before that I took The
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  Buckinghams to the ark encounter.
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  You had a chance to go to that Samuel.
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  No, I haven't. But I know my dad would love to
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  Yeah, it's probably a little bit further fears about A6 hour
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  drive for me, but the coincidental thing is at The
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  Buckinghams live in Knoxville Tennessee, which is literally
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  halfway between here and the Ark encounter.
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  So, I went up and visit with them and stay the night and
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  Knoxville, and then all of us went the next day up to the ark
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  encounter. And so, I took a six-hour drive
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  and cut it into so that made it really, that was very convenient
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  to be able to do that. So, so, how did you can you tell
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  me about your family? Last Samuel, you're obviously
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  raised a Christian at Race by, Yo, Gotti parents.
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  Yeah, there's your stripper page.
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  Thank you for shared that. Go ahead, whatever you feel like
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  saying Daniel. Well, first of all, thank you
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  for advertising I Channel. I really appreciate it.
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  And my family isn't isn't too large, but I have two brothers
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  and two sisters and my dad's actually a pastor in, in Monroe.
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  And my mom is the Secretariat. It's a bit of a smaller church,
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  but she, she helps with her music Ministry and stuff.
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  And it's, it's been a very long journey with my family, like the
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  things that God has brought us through.
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  So it's just it's just different things.
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  I don't want to like start talking, cuz when I start
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  talking, like I don't stop by God has done a lot in my mom's
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  life, and she even has a podcast to It's carried by Grace podcast
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  and and you can find that on pretty much any podcast hosting
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  website. She's pretty much all over but
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  she just her story is amazing and the people that she talks
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  too. I mean, like, I'm, I get into
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  it. I'm like, well, this is insane.
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  I can't believe this actually happened.
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  And God actually did that, and it is just the craziest things
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  that you never believe that would happen.
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  But so God is really using her as she teaches music to.
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  My dad actually has a master's degree in biblical studies so
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  even though some Greek. So he's a very wise man and I
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  appreciate I appreciate him a lot and he's taught me a lot
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  too. So sitting Through the Bible
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  studies and through Sunday school and in through the
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  sermons and I actually take notes now, I never used the four
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  of a kind of top me to take notes and it just makes me
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  really appreciate my dad sermons and what God talks to him about
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  and My brother Stephen is married.
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  He actually he got married in May and so he lives in Judah.
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  Now he used to live with us but he lives in Judah.
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  Now I, which is not far. It's like 10 minute drive and
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  God uses him. He's the youth pastor.
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  He also works at Klondike cheese, with me, and we're both
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  actually now, like, official. They are refers.
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  He's, he's much better than I am, but we're both getting into
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  wedding jobs, especially, but I'm actually going to be helping
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  him and working alongside him. So my ultimate dream, and I
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  believe the Lord wants me to do this, but to actually make
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  films, that glorify God and good well-made Christian movies, that
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  bloke unbelievers away. I seen this on so many different
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  platforms and I've been so impressed at the job that that
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  Dallas has been doing what God is used in 4.
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  And I want to make movies that can really Influence People in
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  change people's lives. So that's that's my ultimate
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  goal and it's just for now wherever the Lord leads me but I
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  question yes of course you were given a if out of the blue, you
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  were given a ten million dollar budget to make whatever movie
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  you want. You write the script, but you
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  can only do one movie for the rest of your life full of to be
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  about if you don't mind me asking.
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  The one problem with that question is, I actually have a
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  series planned. I don't have just one movie is
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  actually four different movies that all work together.
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  You could do one, but it would be probably like 4 hours long,
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  but it's actually about angels and it's fictional but it it's
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  kind of starts with a book that I had started writing and my
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  brother even had told me that if I could play it out well and do
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  try to execute it, right? It would be a great story and
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  it's very deep theological e and I think it's very impactful to
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  just some important things that just us as Christians always
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  need to remember, that's kind of the stuff in it is just us
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  questioning God. Us questioning his not only is
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  love, but his power and is his Holiness is his Justice.
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  It's just often times will Be so busy in human life and yet will
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  will forget these simple truths about God.
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  And so, it's just they go through, struggles ended up
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  learning these, the, these things, the hard way, but they,
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  they love God, the morn. They want to serve in the more
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  because of it. And so it's it's kind of an
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  action fiction style. It's more towards genze, but
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  it's definitely a dream of mine and I I have a lot of thoughts
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  about it and I pretty much be yet.
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  It's kind of a long long answer by.
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  No, it was good. I appreciate it.
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  It's obvious. You put a lot of thought into
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  it. I'd rather an elaborate answers
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  and no answer, just leveled enough, we have some folks in
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  here, Captain strip stuff is here.
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  And my friend, Jordan is here. Hello brother.
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  Welcome to up my best friend Stone.
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  If you heard me talk about Samuel and prop, you probably
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  heard me talk about him. It was a lot of bad stuff.
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  I don't know if you want us to read it in front of him tonight
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  don't worry. I got that from my brothers and
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  sisters too. So you know whenever I talk to
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  people about you I just say you know, he's Ray Comfort, Junior.
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  That's the way he's, he's right comfort.
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  The generations be Ray comfort and we need more like him.
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  And I hope that my other genze buddy Jeremiah gets in here
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  soon. But how are you doing Jordan by
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  the mercy of Jesus. Christ.
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  I'm well, I'm just so grateful that that God loves me.
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  I don't deserve is live but we serve a God.
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  That is so rich in Mercy by others.
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  It's just incredible. It's a fake to think about it.
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  That the god of the universe loves us.
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  Hey man. I sometimes think about how much
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  I don't deserve and how much God is blessing.
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  That's the crazy mind-blowing part, right because not only
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  does the god of the universe. Love me and know me but he loves
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  me knowing how Wicked I am. That's it.
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  That's it. He knows every sin I committed
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  and yet. Still still blessing.
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  Me and Emma and I will still commit against him.
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  And how awesome is that? But Samuel, my friend, Jeremiah,
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  his wife luria actually spend some time in Wisconsin.
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  I think they're doing what were they doing?
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  Like a war hazmat suits? They're doing like, clean up.
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  Like, I don't know where you're going to clean up a lot for the
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  cheese Ryan. It's very toxic.
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  But you said the dashleys facing persecution up there and I know
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  where I live. And where several of us live is
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  What's called the Bible Belt that where there's a church
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  practically on every corner around here.
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  And so I think I know it's different up where you are.
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  Can you talk about what the environment is there and
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  Wisconsin, Samuel is. Do you feel that it's probably
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  people probably more hostile towards Christianity than maybe
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  they are here? Possibly?
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  Yes, of course, I have definitely had a lot of those
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  experiences and it's not too bad in Monroe.
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  I don't know exactly what it is. I know why Madison is terrible.
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  Madison is horrendous, but Monroe, especially we have a lot
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  of Catholics. And we have, I think like 20
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  different kind of churches in Monroe, and even outside and
• 27:16
  different religions to like, not just.
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  So here's a Catholic Presbyterian Lutheran.
• 27:22
  Know there's a Jehovah's Witness and a Mormon and a Seventh-Day
• 27:27
  Adventist all in one area. Is very religious town, and
• 27:35
  people are stubborn. But I think the reason is
• 27:42
  because people up here, and as you get closer to Canada, it's
• 27:47
  this way to. And even in Canada, people are
• 27:49
  really, really comfortable. They don't really want to move
• 27:53
  and change it all. So when you are telling them
• 27:57
  that their life choices are wrong and that they need to
• 28:01
  repent and trust in Jesus, it's just, it's something that they
• 28:05
  are not only not used to but they just, you know, they they
• 28:09
  put up their dukes and they say back off, you know, I'll fight
• 28:12
  for this. I had some of that today was
• 28:16
  just a lady who I know I'd seen her before and she's like we
• 28:19
  don't want you to do interviews here.
• 28:21
  Yeah. I'm like okay I will have a nice
• 28:24
  day, you know but it's just People are sadly.
• 28:32
  Pushy. According to the could I ask you
• 28:35
  a question of course so I take it.
• 28:39
  You like it's Ray Comfort style. That's how Ryan has described
• 28:42
  you several times. He called you like Ray Comfort,
• 28:44
  Junior Radio a light so I'm imagining it's the same
• 28:49
  strategy. What would you say your
• 28:51
  rejection rate is before you get someone willing to talk on
• 28:55
  camera to a microphone to a stranger?
• 28:59
  So I have absolutely no idea how Ray Comfort can get so many
• 29:04
  interviews, but I think that's just the difference between
• 29:07
  California, Wisconsin because I get rejected, probably 90% of
• 29:12
  the time, maybe another small percentage, they're of that
• 29:17
  rejection is I would like to do it but I don't have time and
• 29:24
  especially in Monroe to it's a little hard because it's a
• 29:27
  smaller town. There's not really a place where
• 29:29
  a lot of people hang out other than the parks.
• 29:32
  And which is, you know, it's very nice.
• 29:34
  Beautiful. It's, it's great for filming
• 29:36
  but, you know, I go to Madison, I could just go out any day to
• 29:41
  the, to the square, or by the, by the capital.
• 29:46
  And there are tons of people that I can even just hand out
• 29:49
  tracks to write. But like, here, I can opener for
• 29:53
  you. There's, there's not enough
• 29:54
  people, so, but I think it's really just because people are
• 29:59
  so comfortable, and they don't want to be on YouTube, they
• 30:03
  don't want to get out there. Monroe, has this mentality that
• 30:08
  everything out there out in the outside world is scary.
• 30:12
  We have one of the lowest rate of crimes in Wisconsin, and
• 30:18
  people are way too comfortable with it, and they be a freak out
• 30:23
  at the, the smallest of things, which can be a really bad thing.
• 30:27
  So I think that's why I kind of a guy with a camera walking
• 30:30
  around is kind of intimidating. especially when Mothers have
• 30:36
  their children are like, oh, who is this guy?
• 30:38
  Right. I need to protect my children
• 30:39
  share sounds like the kind of place where it's a quiet
• 30:45
  peaceful. Little town with everybody live
• 30:48
  in their quiet, peaceful Little Lives.
• 30:50
  You know, I used to be that kind of mentality.
• 30:52
  I mean, it's just like, let me live a quiet little life and I
• 30:55
  won't bother you. You don't bother me.
• 30:58
  And I'm just going to stay within my four walls, but
• 31:03
  that's, you know, that's not what the Bible tells us to do,
• 31:05
  is it Samuel? That's not what the Bible tells,
• 31:07
  you know, I have to sort of the opposite to where I am
• 31:12
  naturally, which is kind of introverted, and you eat best on
• 31:17
  the fact that you're naturally, not a people person necessarily,
• 31:21
  you're not necessarily extra extraverted by nature, but God
• 31:25
  gives us a new nature though, doesn't it?
• 31:27
  And I mean, just in the last couple years since God has
• 31:32
  really been working on me. I mean, I go everywhere with a
• 31:34
  smile on my face and I am nice and friendly.
• 31:37
  Debbie anyone I encounter, you know, most people are nuts every
• 31:42
  now and then. Somebody was just kind of give
• 31:45
  me a lucky. Not mine.
• 31:54
  And you know what? I have to tell myself.
• 31:57
  I have no reason not to smile. Look what Jesus has done for me.
• 32:01
  I mean, for crying out loud, if you, if you knew the meaning of
• 32:06
  10 to 20 years ago and an end in the way, I thought the way my
• 32:12
  mentality was, the way I lived at the things that I pursued.
• 32:17
  I mean, I'm not the same and I'm just not right if you had
• 32:25
  examined, my walk. Just for 5 years ago.
• 32:29
  But I would still look dramatically different, you
• 32:32
  know, like God. God works fast when he gets his
• 32:35
  hands on you when you're willing to be an open vessel and let him
• 32:40
  move you freely. Dude, God's transformation is so
• 32:43
  powerful and so fast and so mind-bending it.
• 32:51
  Hey man. You know, I wasn't trying to get
• 32:54
  right with God back in 2018 to 2019 2018.
• 32:59
  All I cared about was being best friends of a dude that I work
• 33:03
  with. That's all I cared about.
• 33:05
  That's all I was interested in. but God had much bigger plans
• 33:11
  for him than be my be my friend, his plan for Yes, yes, I know.
• 33:18
  I know God said, I know you want to be his friend but I'm going
• 33:23
  to do. I'm going to use them for
• 33:24
  something much greater than that.
• 33:26
  I'm going to use him to make you get right with me.
• 33:30
  It's about time you did and so I would never have told people I
• 33:38
  would never want to go back. To the way I used to be.
• 33:42
  When I was trying to be a Christian while still living in
• 33:45
  sin, living a double life, you can't do it.
• 33:48
  It doesn't work. And I'll tell anybody, that's
• 33:52
  trying trying to balance that sitting on the fence.
• 33:57
  I'm so glad that God knocked me right off the fence.
• 34:01
  I'm so glad you did because the fence is a bad place to be a
• 34:09
  double-minded. Man is unstable in all of his
• 34:11
  ways are cold, but if you're out of his mouth, I know.
• 34:20
  Absolutely. Hello the servant of the logos.
• 34:23
  How are you tonight? Let's write all that will matter
• 34:27
  is God. And what we did for him.
• 34:30
  Amen. That's so wonderful.
• 34:32
  Tennessee in there who I might get to meet one day because he
• 34:36
  probably doesn't live too far from The Buckinghams yet cuz I
• 34:56
  like your name. Samuel is that means that you're
• 34:59
  trying to try to look it up. It's just the literal
• 35:09
  translation from. From German into English, it
• 35:15
  comes out of spoonhour. Are you doing recon for
• 35:27
  something that you're like, asking people questions like
• 35:28
  those you ever relied, you know, that's how I think or how do you
• 35:31
  do it? So do you mean just from the
• 35:37
  transition of handing out tracks to then or handing out little by
• 35:41
  Williston and actually, like going up to people and asking
• 35:45
  them, like, what specifically are you seeking to talk to you?
• 35:51
  And you must post it on your, on your right?
• 35:57
  All right. I'll go check it out but yeah,
• 35:59
  but yeah, I was curious. What exactly you do or are, you
• 36:01
  know, what type of this is like the street preaching or what?
• 36:03
  It's not street preaching. I I have like a video of me,
• 36:08
  open-air preaching, but it's me going to people and asking them
• 36:13
  for an interview. And then I, I asked them about
• 36:15
  their thoughts on the afterlife. I just go through, usually some
• 36:19
  like basic apologetics and then I go into the law usual.
• 36:24
  I'll ask them, like, if there is a heaven, do you think you're
• 36:26
  going to have to go there or if they already believe that,
• 36:29
  right? I just start with that and go
• 36:31
  into that and go through the Ten Commandments show.
• 36:34
  Calling them because they aren't necessarily as good as they
• 36:37
  think they are. And so then I talk about guys,
• 36:40
  longitude or God's judgment and why gas logs this and then I
• 36:45
  give them the gospel. I saw it was just I I don't have
• 36:49
  that RC car anymore. Actually, it became an idol
• 36:53
  which is why I got rid of it, but God kind of used it to start
• 36:59
  me off with like, oh I see someone here, right.
• 37:02
  This, you know, if you're thinking soberly this person
• 37:07
  could die at any moment and could end up in hell, right?
• 37:10
  I don't know where this person stands before God, so I should
• 37:12
  give him a Bible. And so I just felt convicted
• 37:17
  more and more to do more and more.
• 37:20
  And eventually I got the crazy idea to just grab a camcorder
• 37:25
  and just be like, Ray comfort as so, I started doing it, and I
• 37:30
  was so excited. My first interview I actually
• 37:33
  yelled when I came Sorry, it was so natural.
• 37:41
  Have you put much stock in the studying body language?
• 37:46
  So body language is one of the things I actually know very well
• 37:51
  but I have I've learned to ignore it and actually that's on
• 37:57
  my problem. Socially is I'm, I say I'm
• 38:00
  socially awkward and my mom's like, no, you're not socially
• 38:02
  awkward. I I I am I actually ignore
• 38:05
  purposefully people's body language because I shared the
• 38:09
  gospel so much and I've seen their faces, like I don't like
• 38:14
  what you're telling me and so I just ignore it and so, I just
• 38:16
  keep going. So I I know what they're
• 38:20
  thinking, and I could say it to them out loud.
• 38:23
  And sometimes I've said that like, you're thinking this right
• 38:25
  now, aren't you? Like yeah, I am but I don't
• 38:31
  know. Maybe I could learn more.
• 38:33
  I don't know, I don't know, Samuel.
• 38:35
  I think that you have found your people tonight.
• 38:38
  I think you have found your tribe because everyone on this
• 38:41
  panel is socially awkward. Well, I can vouch for that.
• 38:50
  Amen. Yeah.
• 38:54
  You know Samuel. You're welcome to be a regular
• 38:58
  part of this panel. You'd be a wonderful at asset to
• 39:04
  this group. If you wanted to come on
• 39:05
  regular. You know anything the more that
• 39:12
  the more I can issue and we have against the enemy of the better,
• 39:16
  we are everybody. Let's shame awake for having a
• 39:26
  life. Come on in here, awake.
• 39:31
  Samuel when you're having conversations with people who
• 39:34
  seems to be the most challenging PS from other religion, or
• 39:38
  non-believers, Usually the ones that I have the most problem
• 39:44
  with Andre Comfort could attest to this to is anyone over the
• 39:48
  age of 30 in people, especially if you've been burned by
• 39:53
  Christians before, I don't always have trouble with people
• 39:57
  who you are like, especially just Catholic or like slightly.
• 40:02
  They're usually really open. But I've interviewed even some
• 40:07
  fairly older people and they just, they don't want to hear
• 40:13
  it. They've, they've heard it all.
• 40:15
  They don't want to hear any more necessarily.
• 40:18
  So it's hard to find soft people who are above 30 and it is, it's
• 40:24
  sad. But it's true.
• 40:24
  So I I find Morey's with teenagers, especially they're
• 40:30
  searching. So they, they want to know more
• 40:33
  things. Yes.
• 40:36
  I hope, you know that interview you did with the The teenage
• 40:40
  girl recently, I was looking at the look in her eyes.
• 40:47
  And you could tell she was really thinking about what you
• 40:50
  were telling her. She was really thinking and, you
• 40:54
  know, that's the kind of thing I want to see, you know, and it's
• 41:00
  that's the kind of thing that warms my heart to To, to see a
• 41:04
  young person minister to his generation.
• 41:08
  Go ahead, go ahead. And this is going to sound bad.
• 41:20
  I hope nobody takes takes offense to it cuz it's not where
• 41:24
  my heart is coming from. But like, has God ever put on
• 41:27
  your heart to ask a particular person for an interview and
• 41:31
  you're just hoping they don't say yes cuz maybe they just look
• 41:34
  sketchy or you know like it's a big Burly biker. 8 ft tall and
• 41:38
  you're like really Well, you know, it's it's so funny.
• 41:43
  You say that cuz I don't have trouble with people.
• 41:45
  Especially bikers. I think they're like the
• 41:48
  sweetest people. And I have trouble with people
• 41:51
  who are dragons and alcohols and on drugs at that moment, I
• 41:57
  usually will just ask someone and I know they'll say no.
• 42:00
  So then I can make them feel bad.
• 42:03
  Like it's kind of a tactic, but it actually makes them feel bad.
• 42:07
  So I give them then a little Bible and they're usually
• 42:11
  willing to take it if they say, yes, I'm like, okay, Lord, let's
• 42:15
  do it in the last 2 minutes and they they run off, that's
• 42:19
  usually how it ends up. But yes, I have those moments.
• 42:22
  I definitely have those moments. Thank you for your honesty.
• 42:26
  That's very candid. So, can I ask you a question,
• 42:29
  Samuel? Sure.
• 42:31
  Go ahead. How would you answer this
• 42:35
  question? How do you answer a question
• 42:36
  when someone like myself? Who says they have no knowledge
• 42:39
  of the Christian God? That one I could either answer
• 42:43
  philosophically or scientifically or biblically.
• 42:48
  So it depends upon the person. If I come across an atheist that
• 42:54
  I have more time to talk to especially like afterwards.
• 42:57
  Something I need to get better at is just focusing on giving
• 43:01
  them the gospel and because then God will fix everything after
• 43:05
  that if there's repetitive of their sins and they put their
• 43:08
  trust in Jesus, God will reveal everything to them and then
• 43:11
  slowly help them to understand his word.
• 43:14
  So, and it even looks like Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses,
• 43:18
  right? It's just that I'll get caught
• 43:22
  up in an argument and so I'll talk to him, but I do have that
• 43:25
  at work a lot. And I have the app like the time
• 43:28
  to talk to them, I've given the gospel like 20 times, so then I
• 43:32
  can tell them. But from a philosophical
• 43:36
  standpoint, I just go through steps from a Biblical
• 43:40
  standpoint, I could Well you know creation is proof of a of a
• 43:46
  Creator knows designer, write the heavens declare, the glory
• 43:49
  of God. And so just like I know one
• 43:52
  argues that the Model T wasn't engineered and design.
• 43:56
  You could study it for years. You would never say that nothing
• 43:59
  created. This is just designed itself,
• 44:02
  that would be ridiculous. You would say no, someone took
• 44:05
  time in, in thought into making this and putting it together.
• 44:09
  So that's usually my, like bass argument on Ray Comfort, will
• 44:14
  say, you know, there's just like, there's a painter for
• 44:17
  paintings, or a builder for building.
• 44:19
  Still do that too. So you can do quick stuff, or if
• 44:22
  you have time, you can go through long stuff, but I
• 44:25
  especially try to focus on my gospel.
• 44:27
  That's, that's way more important.
• 44:31
  Hey man, we had a very dear friend genze or join.
• 44:38
  Us looks like he might be away from the camera right now, but
• 44:40
  I'd love for y'all to get to know each other.
• 44:41
  My friend Jeremiah I met him and his wife luria at a place called
• 44:49
  dinosaur, Adventure Land. Are you familiar with that at
• 44:52
  all Sam? Kent hovind, he's a creation
• 44:59
  science teacher, and if it weren't for him or I should say
• 45:04
  God using him, I wouldn't be here.
• 45:05
  Now, I would not, I wouldn't know.
• 45:09
  I mean half the people I know. And so I I owe Kent hovind, a
• 45:18
  lot. I mean, well, I just I'm very
• 45:20
  grateful that God has used him in the way that he has so that
• 45:24
  people like me could be reached and cuz when I first started
• 45:29
  listening to can't, I was an old Earth creationist, you know, I
• 45:32
  didn't really, I didn't really know much of anything.
• 45:35
  And I think I started listening to him in 2020 and Ever since
• 45:44
  that time is just I just basically I couldn't get enough
• 45:48
  of them. I couldn't get enough of this
• 45:49
  teaching his videos. I just was like, you know, I
• 45:54
  became a holy night, but Jeremiah.
• 45:58
  Get to see you this evening, my friend Hello.
• 46:01
  How you doing? I'm glad you can join us.
• 46:03
  We have a I think I did tell you that mr.
• 46:06
  Spooner was going to be joining us tonight.
• 46:08
  But do you have any questions for me?
• 46:11
  I'd like for y'all are almost the same age, you know?
• 46:13
  I'd like for y'all to get to know each other a little bit.
• 46:17
  I'm nothing but I'm just sick or Jeremiah.
• 46:22
  He's also want to make sure I'm so, he's in good company.
• 46:25
  We are all together. I pride myself on being awkward.
• 46:30
  So we all succeed. Take me to put you on spot,
• 46:36
  Jeremiah suck about that. But this is just, you know, when
• 46:41
  I first started listening to you Samuel, if someone had told me
• 46:46
  that I would be hosting a YouTube showing that you'd be a
• 46:50
  guest on it, I would have thought they were crazy.
• 46:52
  Absolutely crazy. But here it is happening.
• 46:55
  It's all because of God, it's all because if it's a Baptist
• 47:10
  Church, I try to stay away from denominations.
• 47:14
  Because first of all, people get Pushed away by the idea of
• 47:20
  Baptist fusilli Monroe. So I try to just stay shy of
• 47:25
  that but just conservative not like hyper-conservative her
• 47:30
  legalistic. That's one thing that my dad
• 47:32
  really tries to stay away from is legalism and he's good at it
• 47:37
  too. So like anyone is welcome at our
• 47:39
  church. Anybody can you define what you
• 47:42
  mean by like avoiding legalism? Legalism is the idea that
• 47:48
  cleanliness is Next to Godliness.
• 47:51
  And not just your dress, but even your attitude and, and Does
• 48:02
  just the way that you are and mannerisms and that shows how
• 48:06
  Godly you are. There are still some Churches,
• 48:10
  some Baptist churches that will say things like, you know, if
• 48:15
  you're not baptized at our church, you aren't baptized
• 48:18
  biblically know, if the women come in, they have to wear a
• 48:27
  skirt. And it it's it's stuff like that
• 48:30
  that it, it can push people away.
• 48:33
  That sure. Like they might be a sincere
• 48:37
  Christian. You don't know that.
• 48:38
  So Samuel as something like this little, bit earlier Samuel, but
• 48:50
  what you said about answering people with the logic of a
• 48:54
  creation and the painter, the right company thinks this is
• 48:58
  incredible to use on someone he's asked I think Brian
• 49:01
  unbeliever. I mean, they have to go through
• 49:03
  infinite regression. But what do you do when you run
• 49:06
  into a theist of a completely different religion?
• 49:09
  You already believe that God or many gods created the universe
• 49:13
  and then you're dealing with that.
• 49:16
  So is that specifically to me cuz you also said anybody that
• 49:22
  would like to have? That is one of the things I find
• 49:26
  to be a bit of a obstacle or challenge when dealing with
• 49:30
  folks and I love hearing advice. Well, I don't want to take up
• 49:35
  all the time. If you have something to do
• 49:44
  tonight, Sandra sharing the gospel with them and explain to
• 49:57
  them what makes Christianity true versus these other face and
• 50:03
  tell him. You know, Christianity is the
• 50:05
  only state that is Grace based and not workspace.
• 50:09
  Your good works, don't save you, only Jesus, the blood of Jesus
• 50:14
  and his grace saves you. You can go, you know?
• 50:18
  It's just started that and go to start regular call Jack's, I
• 50:22
  guess. and if anyone else wants to, Well.
• 50:31
  Remind me a gyro. You're a bit of a theist, aren't
• 50:34
  you not? Or are you, are you actually
• 50:35
  believe in Jesus Christ? I'm not sure.
• 50:37
  Yeah, I believe in Jesus Christ and that is quite a few of, you
• 50:47
  know, I know Proverbs got no Society.
• 50:49
  Also do a show and I have people of all different views and ideas
• 50:53
  come in and atheist for me or easy because I used to be a
• 50:59
  non-believer. So I know all the arguments are
• 51:01
  going to bring in. It's like, bam.
• 51:03
  That's right on the table, easy stuff.
• 51:05
  But when you get another religious person who believes in
• 51:08
  several gods or many gods and they believe in a creation,
• 51:12
  telling them that there's a painter behind it.
• 51:15
  They're going to say yeah sure. We got a bunch of painters and
• 51:17
  what do you, how do you face that?
• 51:19
  I'm any suggestions. You guys could give be great if
• 51:22
  you don't know an answer to it. I understand that stuff.
• 51:27
  Well, I mean it's actually a very it's interesting because
• 51:31
  and I did get his his Blessing ahead of time.
• 51:34
  But Brett brought up, I think a fantastic question.
• 51:39
  It's probably easier to convince atheist to believe in God with
• 51:46
  all the natural signs in your face.
• 51:48
  Then it is someone who believes in a different God, but is
• 51:51
  already a thing as one of our good friends, who is a constant
• 51:56
  on the panel Grace and here he is not a born-again Christian,
• 52:00
  yet we are working on him. Currently he has a different God
• 52:04
  that he serves and if you don't mind being in the hot seat
• 52:08
  Samuel, I don't want to even say hot seat because we all like you
• 52:11
  but you could kind of test run with Grace.
• 52:15
  I'm here and see how you would evangelize and maybe he could
• 52:18
  even give you tips to be like at that wouldn't work.
• 52:24
  The great sweetheart. I feel great.
• 52:35
  Just don't tell me what I'm thinking and you and I will get
• 52:36
  along smoothly, your God exists, and that digest 9, if you
• 52:47
  believe that, that's fine, just tell me that You're as far as I
• 52:53
  can cuz I have no particular knowledge of the Christian God
• 52:55
  but I guess I could be depressed and not know but I don't know
• 53:00
  that I'm doing that. If I'm doing it I would have to
• 53:02
  say, you have to be well I believe you would have to be
• 53:07
  Grayson because you went through Seminary you Pastor to church
• 53:10
  for five years. You were a born again Christian
• 53:12
  for 20 years of your life. I would think that knowledge
• 53:16
  would be somewhere in there suppressed.
• 53:19
  But I guess if I'm suppressing something, I don't know.
• 53:22
  It I was at different from my point of view than just simply
• 53:24
  not knowing it. I wish I had like a magical
• 53:28
  answer for you. Grayson, that would just make it
• 53:30
  all snap into place. I'm just a village idiot.
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  God uses sometimes Same here. So, what is it?
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  Exactly? That you believe about your God?
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  Like like what is he like a where'd you get this ideal?
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  I don't have a sun rises in 10 minutes but I will try as fast
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  as I can. I essentially had a personal
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  encounter with a guy and I only use the gods or lightly because
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  I don't believe my God has Omni properties.
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  And despite your creation argument, I don't think God she
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  created the universe. So my I am the only sense that I
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  think she is a goddess that she I guess has decisions over who
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  continues to exist and who does not so and hot.
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  I also believe the ocean and I basically most of it comes down
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  to personal experience. So I had a personal meaningful
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  experience and that led me to believe and events for that
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  course. Not.
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  So why why would you believe something that you can't verify
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  ultimately like why is it worth your time?
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  I had the same experience. So in what town, how do you mean
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  verify? I mean, I mean, something you
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  can not only show others but also something that has been
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  proven over time. So just be like the scientific
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  method, right? You know, something and not only
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  becomes a theory if it's testable, overtime and ages but
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  eventually comes a law in science because it's it's been
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  proven over a hundred years. So it's something that I'm not
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  saying Sciences, perfect. It's not because scientists are
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  not perfect. So we as people we mess up,
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  right? We you probably even know this,
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  that are our own emotions can spray us from what is truly
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  real. And our our intellect is not
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  perfect. So we need to, we need to be
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  humble about it and open-minded and we need to seek for truth
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  and in find a consistent Ray of evidence has.
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  So like the reason that I believe that God The Christian
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  God is true is not just because of philosophy and science, but
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  it's also because of I know that Jesus Christ is risen from the
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  dead. I know that historically that
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  actually happened, so then and he claimed to be that and he
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  also approved the Old Testament and kind of Eden, just encourage
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  people to read it but he said it is his word.
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  So him claiming to be God and him rising from the dead and
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  conquering death itself. Then that's more than enough
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  proof for me. There's also another one is
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  enough proof. Enough proof right about a lot
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  of things that I remember to respond earlier, so I guess you
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  say that you claim. I have no, I will not doubt that
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  Jesus lived and they was crucified, but I guess we'll be
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  used to ask me. How can I prove to me that your
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  system from the dead? So first of all, I read some of
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  the evidence myself there, 10 big historians around that time
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  that written about Jesus. You might know some of them just
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  Josephus was one of them and he just he didn't write about the
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  fact that you rose from the dead, he wrote about him in his
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  life and that he died. And that there were these crazy
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  disciples saying how he had risen from the dead and they
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  ended up dying for it. In fact, the book of Martyrs is
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  actually really big piece of that.
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  Now, you know, that I went to Bible College and then besides
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  the claim that Jesus existed in Las Cruces, by any other claims
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  are known for trees. So I don't know.
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  I just don't think you're going to find an example of Jesus.
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  Anyone saying Jesus rose from the dead, that's not in the
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  Bible or written by Church fathers later on Well, one thing
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  to note is there's a reason that there are four gospels.
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  It's because there are four different people giving
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  different takes. In fact, Jay Warner Wallace is a
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  great person to go to on this and he can, he can actually show
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  you all of the evidence like he knows it by memory and why the
• 57:54
  Bible is really trustworthy, especially in the gospels and
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  that even if maybe some people change it here.
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  And there we have so many copies of the New Testament 24000 that
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  there's no way one person could have messed it up because it was
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  everywhere. Absolutely, everyone had a copy
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  and so, even if one person came out and said what mine?
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  One mine says this. The other Ten thousand or so
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  people would come out and say, we'll know, that's not true.
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  All of ours say this thing. So it's it's just one of those
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  things that you have to study for yourself.
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  I can't just, you know, pulled out of my pocket, but Jay Warner
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  Wallace is really good to go to Frank Turek as well.
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  And Lee Strobel is another one. In fact, he was an atheist and
• 58:45
  came to Christ because of the evidence for Jesus's
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  resurrection. It wasn't just the gospel.
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  So personal story is mind-blowing and breathtaking.
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  He was like start atheist. He was Auntie theist and but he
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  was also an investigative reporter.
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  And he investigated and he followed the evidence where it
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  LED and it led to the truth. And you know, even with that was
• 59:21
  Lee, Strobel, I think one of the main reasons he didn't want you
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  didn't want those things to be true.
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  It was because he wanted to live his life the way he wanted to
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  live it. Most of the time, we will create
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  our own. I, I say we, but in my case, I,
• 59:41
  I necessarily haven't, but I've seen, I talked to enough people
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  to realize they create their own version of God because it means,
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  well, you get to control how you live.
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  Then I'm not saying that specifically of you, but that
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  might be the very case that it's it's the Zone version.
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  That isn't necessarily judging, won't condemn you to hell.
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  And so it's a kind of becomes a fairytale, right?
• 1:00:08
  It's there's a reason, it's the first sin in the Ten
• 1:00:11
  Commandments has its idolatry. I have no problem with my
• 1:00:20
  opinions are human though. I am allowed to have, them are
• 1:00:23
  meaningless in the face of the true God I'm in, but I guess I
• 1:00:26
  personally do have a problem, that would be punished.
• 1:00:30
  I have no problem with that. I believe in Laurel time wall
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  realest. However, I don't, you'll never
• 1:00:36
  convince me, at least. I don't think you could.
• 1:00:38
  It have to be a spiritual encounter that any human being
• 1:00:41
  should suffer eternally for temporal, so I think that that
• 1:00:45
  is not is my bigger than the two biggest thing is that and the
• 1:00:49
  fact that I never had an experience or encounter with
• 1:00:51
  Christian God, no matter what I did.
• 1:00:53
  And it seems like from the scripture that I could keep
• 1:00:56
  seeking and I did the ring come first thing in for the fake, it
• 1:00:58
  till you make it, but I never had an experience.
• 1:01:01
  And so to me I was never certain of the reality of God and so
• 1:01:05
  without that certainty, everything was just left.
• 1:01:08
  Right, right? And do you mind if I point this
• 1:01:12
  out, you say that you give up Liberty to this Goddess that,
• 1:01:17
  you say you've experienced, but still you give Liberty to the
• 1:01:21
  billions of people throughout time even before Jesus Christ
• 1:01:25
  who stated that they had an interaction or experienced with.
• 1:01:28
  What would be the Christian God also known as the Jewish?
• 1:01:31
  Got these guys have any credibility because you stated
• 1:01:35
  that you've only know a handful of people who actually had any
• 1:01:38
  of your experiences yet billions of actual experience.
• 1:01:42
  That's what do you what would you say something like that?
• 1:01:45
  I do have another question for you or I think that you are then
• 1:01:57
  more justified in believing that thing from a rational stand for
• 1:02:01
  it, because who could argue more with one's own personal
• 1:02:03
  experiences than oneself? I mean, so, yes, I think that is
• 1:02:06
  perfectly reasonable for a Christian.
• 1:02:08
  You had any experience with the Christian, God could then be
• 1:02:11
  moved sick after and believe the Christian God.
• 1:02:13
  That is a reasonable thing to do. the last question I have,
• 1:02:17
  and I appreciate your very extensive answer on that is I
• 1:02:23
  didn't ask you this but we spoke for hours and it was lovely
• 1:02:26
  conversation. I learned a lot from the
• 1:02:28
  discussion but do you believe that your goddess actually gave
• 1:02:32
  you some kind of moral philosophy or code the live by?
• 1:02:36
  That's one of the things that that is great about Christianity
• 1:02:40
  is that there is actually a moral code and philosophy people
• 1:02:44
  can live by in order to improve their life.
• 1:02:47
  Do you feel like you got something like that from the
• 1:02:50
  scotus? If you would care to elaborate,
• 1:02:56
  I'd love to hear it. The 50/50 version, like, not the
• 1:03:08
  whole not the whole book but more than yes, I could give you
• 1:03:12
  answers individual to individual scenarios.
• 1:03:16
  But I could not. I don't think that there is a
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  blanket statement that doing acts gives you why.
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  But I think that given any, any particular encounter there is a
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  morally, perfect and a morally correct thing to do.
• 1:03:28
  Okay, by the way, everybody, Welcome.
• 1:03:30
  Father. Charles he is with us now.
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  Can I see some real quick awake? This mess away.
• 1:03:39
  Just make a patient. If I agree.
• 1:03:42
  I agree. I was listening to Brett talk,
• 1:03:45
  and I was saying, he sounds like, Father, Chuck.
• 1:03:47
  I know. Maybe I sound like Brett.
• 1:03:53
  Other that you might want to hit up some hot tea and then I love
• 1:04:02
  hearing you but you get a little raspy their guy.
• 1:04:04
  I know I try not to talk too much and no but the father, have
• 1:04:15
  you been watching since the beginning or did you just come
• 1:04:19
  late to the party? I was watching a show about
• 1:04:23
  staying with spoon hours in the background cuz periodically I
• 1:04:32
  guess I'm kind of weird feedback.
• 1:04:35
  I'm wondering about the feedback as well, if something maybe like
• 1:04:40
  breaking up on arm on my end or something just like this.
• 1:04:47
  Wow. That's weird.
• 1:04:49
  Okay, no problem. Well, if I hear it I'll just
• 1:04:51
  meet you. But as soon as you're ready to
• 1:04:53
  chime in, don't be bashful just stun you in chimen, okay.
• 1:04:56
  Typically are basically what I wanted to say was respond to
• 1:05:04
  this point about the morality. Basically what I'm able to
• 1:05:07
  understand that and you can kind of correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:05:10
  But this is what I kind of got from that is Your moral code
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  that is God has gave you is whatever you deem to be good or
• 1:05:18
  not depending on the situation. Like you don't have a book you
• 1:05:23
  don't have a full set it tomorrow.
• 1:05:26
  Give me the situation and I can tell you yes or no.
• 1:05:30
  It's just like, this will give me the decision and I'll tell
• 1:05:37
  you, whether I think it's good or not.
• 1:05:38
  I think that everyone has to make moral decisions all the
• 1:05:42
  time and where they draw upon the foundation.
• 1:05:44
  I guess different underworld deal.
• 1:05:45
  But I would, my personal belief is that morality is an
• 1:05:49
  Undiscovered moral law. Meaning that like any other, our
• 1:05:52
  natural law that our actions can correspond in the best possible
• 1:05:58
  way without law or in the worst possible way, which would be
• 1:06:01
  easy, differential, between good and evil.
• 1:06:02
  The closer you are to that law, the better your action, the
• 1:06:06
  further away you are the worst. Hey, Jeremiah just quickly.
• 1:06:12
  Adam lower had a tip for you. He said, if Jeremiah has Echo
• 1:06:16
  cancellation on it might cause a glitching sound.
• 1:06:19
  So something to think about, I believe if you unmute I could
• 1:06:24
  look at it for you. Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:06:27
  OK. Google B of A roughness.
• 1:06:33
  They're do you believe that there's anything that exists in
• 1:06:38
  the cell universe of the subjectively wrong?
• 1:06:44
  Yeah. Probably lots of things that are
• 1:06:46
  objectively wrong and I think that is exactly wrong to own
• 1:06:50
  another person, but I think there might be scenarios
• 1:06:52
  running, other person could be justified, they would always be
• 1:06:55
  wrong. You are the stated that you are,
• 1:06:59
  you believe that the goddess and her, when she's finalizing, the
• 1:07:03
  end of a human being, she kind of deletes them.
• 1:07:06
  Do you feel as though that's morally, right?
• 1:07:09
  To simply delete people, like the ultimate punishment, for
• 1:07:14
  those who cannot align with the immortal codes.
• 1:07:17
  I think that's what he got does, is supposed to attend their
• 1:07:22
  purview and told us, it's not my say they write it wrong, but I
• 1:07:25
  don't think the nightly Shazam for any guy be at the Christian
• 1:07:28
  God or my, God is morally evil because it is not unnecessary
• 1:07:33
  suffering. And I guess, I don't have a
• 1:07:35
  problem, forget the suffering, but I have a problem with a
• 1:07:38
  burning in Hell forever and never getting out for any
• 1:07:41
  reason, but it's not really anything really happening.
• 1:07:43
  Accept punishment. It's so it's the the time
• 1:07:47
  intervals that bothers you, if it was something quick or
• 1:07:51
  something like annihilationism, you'd be fine with it.
• 1:07:56
  I don't see a moral problem with Annihilation or no.
• 1:08:03
  Anybody? Anybody get some opinions on
• 1:08:06
  that? You from your study in the
• 1:08:12
  Pasadena Christian came up with the idea that you will burn in
• 1:08:16
  hell forever, right? Right.
• 1:08:19
  I think that you can make an argument either way.
• 1:08:21
  I think it's a stronger argument for Eternal Perdition, but I
• 1:08:24
  think you and I leash is over, there are passages for the yes.
• 1:08:27
  So both argument could be justified, I think the Bible
• 1:08:30
  teaches and is stronger manner that we are to be punished
• 1:08:32
  forever and ever mostly in the Book of Revelation.
• 1:08:35
  Yeah, that is real for you or just some that you recognized.
• 1:08:40
  As as you think might be morally wrong to hold up for me like I
• 1:08:45
  know, I just simply don't like it.
• 1:08:50
  Yeah yeah I get it. I get it.
• 1:08:51
  But you also have the Apostle Billy mind that you could be
• 1:08:54
  wrong but I could be wrong and maybe you are just burned up and
• 1:08:58
  I'm saying if something doesn't affect the reality of it so if
• 1:09:05
  we are to be a lightning strike the scenario, I am wrong.
• 1:09:18
  But if she say, for instance, I believe I could show you is
• 1:09:22
  through scripture that in fact, you're not burning in Hell
• 1:09:25
  forever. Would that help you change your
• 1:09:28
  mind at all? Or that's not, that's not part
• 1:09:30
  of that, you know, concept that you're considering about
• 1:09:33
  Christianity or is it just like, well, I got a lot of other
• 1:09:36
  things that other problem, so that's just one of them.
• 1:09:39
  That'll probably I think that if I can truly have been so that it
• 1:09:42
  would make the job a Bible, more palatable to me.
• 1:09:44
  However, I don't think at this point without God, reaching out
• 1:09:48
  and making some sort of change of my heart or I'm having some
• 1:09:52
  sort of experience with the Christian God that I could
• 1:09:54
  likely be changed. I don't think I'm going to reach
• 1:09:56
  the god of the Bible through logic.
• 1:09:58
  At this point. I don't want to say that because
• 1:10:00
  I have never heard that. I just want to make this more
• 1:10:05
  experiential that I need. Yeah, I think I think you're a,
• 1:10:10
  you're a different case because you were a Christian fact, you
• 1:10:13
  were a pastor one time. So that means that God actually
• 1:10:15
  called you and you actually answered for a short time just
• 1:10:19
  call. So you know, you couldn't say
• 1:10:22
  well, God hasn't called me because you've already answered
• 1:10:24
  that call just that you rejected after.
• 1:10:26
  Whatever reason. So we'll have to work on its own
• 1:10:32
  you in scripture? How that you don't burn forever.
• 1:10:34
  See what happens because I already respond again.
• 1:10:45
  Army. Are you a nihilist forever?
• 1:10:51
  I didn't see that you would pile be surprised.
• 1:11:00
  How many Annihilation us there out there got to come on the
• 1:11:03
  show. Sometime you see long-suffering
• 1:11:10
  God is love and then he burns people wherever he creates a
• 1:11:19
  place where sinful people inevitably have to end up
• 1:11:23
  because they can't be in the presence of the holy God.
• 1:11:25
  None of that is God's fault. God has no blood on his hands
• 1:11:30
  for our sin. None of us were coerced by God
• 1:11:35
  with a gun, to our head to commit.
• 1:11:37
  Any sin ever? That would be an unjust God.
• 1:11:40
  We don't serve that God. And I'm sorry, guys.
• 1:11:44
  I wish because I have a lot of loved ones that died and will
• 1:11:48
  burn in hell, and I can't do anything about that.
• 1:11:53
  Well, we don't know that Steve we have to do something.
• 1:11:55
  We're not got right? So God said he will have mercy
• 1:11:57
  on whom you can know them by their fruit stump.
• 1:12:00
  And I knew my family members well enough to know their fruit
• 1:12:04
  and I wish I wish they didn't have to suffer forever.
• 1:12:10
  But I'm sorry. What I see from scripture is
• 1:12:13
  that hell is eternal. Okay, well I guess I have to get
• 1:12:17
  into that. I'm not I'm not ready to go
• 1:12:18
  today for sure that we don't look at the Book of Malachi
• 1:12:22
  ashes under our feet. Howdy howdy body forever.
• 1:12:29
  You know that's just one little simple thing we don't burn
• 1:12:34
  forever but God has the right. He has control over everything,
• 1:12:41
  he does but he wants you to burn forever, you will burn forever.
• 1:12:44
  If he wants you to be annihilated, you be annihilated,
• 1:12:46
  you won't have any memory of burning forever so I can about
• 1:12:52
  his response to well, maybe if we didn't burn forever, that
• 1:12:55
  would make me more favorable towards the Bible.
• 1:12:57
  It doesn't matter whether we like certain decisions that God
• 1:13:03
  would make let's just say theoretically that God is an
• 1:13:07
  absolute jerk, right? Well, if he says, you know, you
• 1:13:13
  have to go down to me to get into heaven, let's say, and you
• 1:13:17
  say, will believe that you even exist.
• 1:13:22
  So my thing is it doesn't matter what theology exactly you fit
• 1:13:29
  into as much as what is actually true.
• 1:13:33
  And if you're going to say well I don't like this guy because of
• 1:13:38
  what he stands for, that's very different from saying I don't
• 1:13:44
  think this guy is actually real and I was just say be very
• 1:13:47
  careful with that moving forward of what is actually like it or
• 1:13:52
  no. Are they going to hear my
• 1:13:56
  opinions and not your man? You to create a right?
• 1:14:08
  But still if you're that you have a brain you got to consider
• 1:14:10
  things like you know like like like why is it okay for this?
• 1:14:15
  But not for this. That's that's all he ever has
• 1:14:20
  the right to your opinion. We believe there is one has
• 1:14:31
  stayed the same but this one thing changed into it.
• 1:14:36
  He's he doesn't seem to be at least to be looking for the
• 1:14:42
  truth as much as I'm looking for something that is going to
• 1:14:45
  benefit him. Add something that's going to be
• 1:14:48
  nice for him to want to agree with.
• 1:14:50
  At least. That's what I'm seeing from it.
• 1:14:52
  I would say, maybe you can get that from the one comment I
• 1:15:01
  made. However, if I thought to buy the
• 1:15:03
  guy, the Christian, the Christian God were true.
• 1:15:05
  The one thing about me is I always went to believe as many
• 1:15:09
  as possible as few false things, whatever is in my head, I want
• 1:15:13
  it to be a true thing in there. Lots of that.
• 1:15:15
  I just that, I don't believe that to be the Christian God.
• 1:15:17
  And it's not simply because there are aspects of his nature
• 1:15:20
  that I find an appealing. It doesn't ring true to me and I
• 1:15:28
  can't help but I'm convinced self.
• 1:15:30
  I wish that I could but I think that my life would have been a
• 1:15:32
  lot better if I would have continued believe in the
• 1:15:36
  Christian God and continue going on with that bass now.
• 1:15:39
  But I would have had to maybe easier sections.
• 1:15:42
  So, Don't believe in it because it's not compelling to me.
• 1:15:50
  I promise you mind, if I ask you a question.
• 1:15:52
  Sure. I'm pretty sure that if I were
• 1:15:56
  to ask anybody in the room, do they believe that Jesus knows
• 1:15:59
  all of us? Every human being that ever
• 1:16:02
  existed? When you get to a passage where
• 1:16:04
  Jesus says, get away from me, I never knew you.
• 1:16:07
  What do you think that he means by this?
• 1:16:09
  You never had a personal relationship with him.
• 1:16:12
  He was never real in your life. You were never obedient to him.
• 1:16:16
  You never submitted yourself to him.
• 1:16:19
  That's what he knew by. That's what he meant by new.
• 1:16:23
  Let me bring up one more thing for you guys to go along with
• 1:16:28
  what I had just said. Do you believe that those who go
• 1:16:31
  to hell will be put out of the presence of God?
• 1:16:35
  Well, that's what he'll is. It's the absence of God at all.
• 1:16:40
  You do realize that the only way something can exist out of the
• 1:16:44
  presence of God as if they're nonexistent, right?
• 1:16:47
  Only applies for a material physical world.
• 1:16:51
  God is not bound by any of the laws that he created for our
• 1:16:56
  realm. So I don't think that applies at
• 1:16:58
  all. Alright, so do you guys believe
• 1:17:02
  that God is actually observing the people burning?
• 1:17:05
  Or are they out of his presence where he's no longer
• 1:17:08
  acknowledging them anymore? I believe it's the latter of the
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  two you suggested. All right, what you got up here?
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  I seen some passages come up. Wow this is a scripture that I
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  think is hard to refute and I'll just go right 4:46 because
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  that's the end of the chapter and that's the heart of it.
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  He says, these will go away into Eternal punishment but the
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  righteous into eternal life. We can't separate the single
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  verse. So if we believe how is just
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  finite, then Heaven has to be also, but the Bible teaches us
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  the opposite Heaven is eternal. It's Paradise on Earth Earth, we
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  made. So that's Eternal and this other
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  part of the verse 46 goes along with that, we have to accept
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  that. Unfortunately, he'll also is an
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  eternal punishment. Is death in separate from God,
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  Eternal as well. I'm going to be sorry, I haven't
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  studied that one stump. I have found at the counter that
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  by saying that it's that doesn't know, she said you'll be burning
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  forever and says, if you have an eternal punishment, which could
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  well be deaf, and navigation to turn on your done.
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  Yeah, if I were to take a baseball bat to my expensive
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  computer over here and wipe it out, and never plan on building
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  at the rebuilding that again, it would be basically eternally
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  destroyed. Everyone, the servant of the
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  logos has joined us. So everybody say hello.
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  Hello. Hello there.
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  Hello, can you hear me? Where did Jeremiah?
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  Go is getting ready to say. One of our panel is probably
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  lives in your area, but he needs.
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  He's gone. Did you hear me?
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  I did but I'll wait until I have a new new and during the
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  conversation. That's okay, I have observed.
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  You saying, Shalom multiple times tonight?
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  Are you Messianic No, I'm not, but I did learn Hebrew in my
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  last year of high school. So, I've learned what it really
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  means. It doesn't just mean peace.
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  It actually means Serenity. So, like a deeper form, just
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  like Joe is a deeper form of happiness, and it's something
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  only God can give. So like when you say to someone
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  shalom, shalom, you're actually saying that, you want them to
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  have this eternal Serenity that you can only have in God's
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  presence or as a Christian, in our case, we have shalom.
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  Shalom. There's a prophecy that God
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  would give the Jews. Shalom, shalom.
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  And it's it, it translates is perfect peace, but it's, it's
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  ultimately the greatest. Did the Peace that passes all
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  understanding. That's what it is.
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  Proverbs you mind, if I share one more thing, and if you guys
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  want to change topics or whatever, it's all good, like
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  your opinion on something tonight, but I don't see, you
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  know, Nicole, Ryan. Yeah, go ahead.
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  Go ahead. All right, I'll be as quick as
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  possible. Psalms 92, 7 build the wicked
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  Sprout, like weeds and evildoers Florist, they will be destroyed
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  forever, Psalms, 37 20, but the wicked will die.
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  They will disappear like smoke. And then Psalms 16 and said for
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  the Lord watches over the path of The Godly, but the path that
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  leads to destruction. So that's one of the reasons I
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  get into the view. I do.
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  Okay, thank you. we're going to have to have that show down one
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  night, you'll have to come on one of the panels or maybe we'll
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  even try it on your show if we're not doing like Explicit
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  website information that subject does that subject does require
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  an entire night though? I mean, that could really be a
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  miniseries. Is it okay if I just say a few
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  things about this topic yet? You you say whatever you want,
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  Samuel? So I know it's it is not my job.
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  First of all to justify God in his ruling that is that is one
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  thing that is people like I just it doesn't technically makes
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  sense, but if you think it on a philosophical sense just like if
• 1:22:22
  you were to do a crime or lie to a policeman and he were to find
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  out there would be a punishment for you but it would be even
• 1:22:31
  greater if you did that to the president.
• 1:22:34
  And that that would be a federal offense so as you go higher up
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  in 40 the punishment is greater but imagine not just lying once
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  but also blaspheming lusting hatred many times in your
• 1:22:52
  lifetime against a being that is given you a conscience which is
• 1:22:56
  a lot written on your heart. So doing a a crime that takes a
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  only a second. You still get punished for a
• 1:23:05
  long time. But imagine doing many many
• 1:23:08
  crimes over again against an eternal God.
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  You do a punishment against an eternal God, you get an eternal
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  punishment. So that's just at least how it
• 1:23:18
  would work philosophically. And that's why I also you have
• 1:23:22
  any Turtle reward when you put your trust in Christ genuinely
• 1:23:28
  and you sincerely repent of your sins and and even then when you
• 1:23:33
  repent and Trust in Christ you don't lose your salvation.
• 1:23:35
  Jesus said in John chapter 6, he said he that believeth on me
• 1:23:41
  shall have eternal life and the Greek.
• 1:23:44
  There is actually present tense. It means literally from that
• 1:23:47
  moment you have eternal life. So it's it's Samuel.
• 1:23:52
  Jesus never tells it. The Bible doesn't say that he's
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  going to tell someone I used to know you.
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  I know I don't bother Chuck. Are you still out there?
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  Yeah, Catholic priest. I'm kidding everyone.
• 1:24:11
  He's Orthodox. He is an orthodox priest semi
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  Catholic. You can at least find their
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  position for us because, you know, it well enough.
• 1:24:22
  What if there's a hell, Samuel mentioned the Greek that the
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  word is present tense and forward for salvation.
• 1:24:31
  Or what was that? Samuel Adams?
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  I think I'm this quote, I'm sorry I was on the phone after
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  6. He said he that believes in me
• 1:24:42
  shall have eternal life. So it's from that instance that
• 1:24:45
  you have genuine trust in him, then he gives you eternal life.
• 1:24:48
  Like it's it starts from that instance, when you have genuine
• 1:24:52
  faith in him, Does anyone want respond to paint Paradise, his
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  comment there in the chat? Let me see.
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  The various religions are like different roads.
• 1:25:07
  Converging in the same point. What difference does it make?
• 1:25:11
  If we follow different routes provided, we arrive at the same
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  destination. Yada yada yada yada Gandhi was a
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  big fan of Jesus Christ and his teachings.
• 1:25:21
  It's interesting. You brought him up.
• 1:25:26
  Can I say something? Yeah, I heard this the other day
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  I don't know where I heard it from but you was talking about
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  he'll be any turn on the punishment.
• 1:25:41
  However that's not fair, that could not be looked upon as not
• 1:25:45
  being fair, but if you think about it, you know the Bible
• 1:25:48
  says God is love. God loves us but God is love.
• 1:25:52
  So if you deny God in your life and you rejecting in the hell,
• 1:25:57
  it's going to be a place with no love.
• 1:26:01
  Could you imagine living in a place that has no love?
• 1:26:05
  That hot self is enough punishment.
• 1:26:09
  Do you know, do you know what to do?
• 1:26:12
  Whenever it's 4. The very start your brother,
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  this conversation. That's a personal thing for me
• 1:26:23
  right now is evidence for God for me in my own life.
• 1:26:32
  So, I mean, I promise you. I wouldn't be here.
• 1:26:36
  We wouldn't be having this. We wouldn't be in this room.
• 1:26:39
  My channel wouldn't exist. If it hadn't been for what Jesus
• 1:26:44
  did for me, None of this would be happening at late.
• 1:26:47
  I mean maybe some of y'all would be pressed a different room, but
• 1:26:51
  Samuel wouldn't be here. Because I wouldn't be here to
• 1:26:56
  invite him. And so, is his things like that
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  to me personally, just this night right here, is proof as
• 1:27:04
  evidence. That God exists. and that's all
• 1:27:11
  anyone else jumping because, Blasphemers with Orrin.
• 1:27:24
  And where in Leviticus and one of the panelists, maybe a
• 1:27:29
  couple, but one of them has he's gay.
• 1:27:33
  Or the way that he said it is he is not completely heterosexual.
• 1:27:38
  I think he he And I don't want to offend people, but at the
• 1:27:46
  same time, I have to stand by what I believe the word says,
• 1:27:50
  that's my ultimate, you know, foundation for everything.
• 1:27:53
  And What can I make with? Just I I'll just say it.
• 1:27:59
  I want what I want you to, I want you to become a Christian
• 1:28:02
  and I want you to find a beautiful woman and make
• 1:28:04
  beautiful babies that are happy and live a happy life and it
• 1:28:09
  just blew up. I knew it was going to What,
• 1:28:18
  what do you recommend? I do in those situations.
• 1:28:24
  Well, first thing that needs to happen is that person needs to
• 1:28:28
  get saved. Is it wants to get saved, then
• 1:28:34
  they need to say, Lord. If there's sand in my life that
• 1:28:39
  I need to deal with, you show it to me.
• 1:28:43
  And help me to get it out of my life as they grow and as they as
• 1:28:49
  they mature, you know, in 2019 when I was first chasing.
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  I didn't it wasn't you know that me say okay you're getting out
• 1:29:01
  of that sin, it was a gradual process for me, it was gradual.
• 1:29:07
  And it didn't even involved, talking to someone else.
• 1:29:13
  Who had also live that life and God was pulling him out of it
• 1:29:17
  too. And it was us and courage in one
• 1:29:20
  another it was us. I guess affirming, the fact that
• 1:29:25
  butter firming the fact that God wants us to live a life of a
• 1:29:31
  holy life and if we have to give up something in exchange and so
• 1:29:35
  what everybody has to give up something when they come to
• 1:29:38
  Christ, not to judge those outside.
• 1:29:51
  But the judge those inside and goes with what you were saying,
• 1:29:54
  you can't go to somebody who don't understand price and
• 1:29:58
  bleeding price and say, this is bad.
• 1:30:00
  This is yeah, they have to have the foundation for Christ
• 1:30:04
  before. You know, before you can even,
• 1:30:07
  they can leave him. Have the same worldview.
• 1:30:09
  Is you I mean, I work with some co-workers, they cuss like
• 1:30:15
  Sailors, but I mean, I can't tell him.
• 1:30:18
  I mean, I can't expect them to exhibit christ-like Behavior if
• 1:30:22
  they're not saved. And the same thing with the guy
• 1:30:25
  you were talking about p-town. Until the guy gets saved.
• 1:30:32
  You can't expect him. I believe that was what I laid
• 1:30:38
  down and that we're all Sinners and I'm a sinner.
• 1:30:48
  And it's it's God that has changed but we need to change me
• 1:30:53
  but maybe more Benny and more into the person that he had
• 1:30:59
  destined for me to be in. And And I tried to lay the
• 1:31:04
  foundation for him when ultimate, but it's still from
• 1:31:08
  his perspective, you know, in this what he said, it's like the
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  most expensive thing you can say, to me, the simple
• 1:31:14
  translation is. So you're telling me that my
• 1:31:18
  innate feelings. I've always had or yeah.
• 1:31:24
  Will you see a homosexual considers their sexuality to be
• 1:31:31
  at the very core of their being this book by Christopher Yuan.
• 1:31:37
  Which I'm in the process of reading.
• 1:31:39
  Christopher yuan is former homosexual and he has this book
• 1:31:43
  here and it really struck me. The last three words of chapter
• 1:31:51
  1 of this book. Holy sexuality.
• 1:31:54
  Are, are you ready or set remind me of the heath Brothers song?
• 1:31:58
  And then the first, the first word, the first sentence and
• 1:32:03
  chapter 2 says, this is who I am which, you know why theme song
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  Hello. It says those words were spoken
• 1:32:14
  by Andy one of my classmates say Seminary and another friend
• 1:32:18
  occasionally debated Bible passages after class just for
• 1:32:21
  fun. And he was a bright young man
• 1:32:23
  raised on the mission field and married to a Godly young lady.
• 1:32:26
  So, I was surprised when I heard that Andy had come out of the
• 1:32:29
  closet and was no longer living with his wife.
• 1:32:31
  It had been his secret me, close to him felt blindsided by the
• 1:32:36
  news. Do you like that?
• 1:32:41
  I'm probably not a matter is on here, but What is negative?
• 1:32:46
  I don't know how you well you know, this person to town but
• 1:32:52
  I'm towards someone like Christopher Yuan or Beckett
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  could steal. Those are two YouTubers that are
• 1:33:01
  former homosexual. Steer your friend towards them
• 1:33:03
  and let him start listening to them because my friend Jordan
• 1:33:11
  that was here earlier, he's the one who sent me just a few wants
• 1:33:15
  autobiography out of a far country.
• 1:33:16
  And that book helped me tremendously and this but she is
• 1:33:22
  also helping me tremendously. one of the misconceptions that
• 1:33:27
  people have about homosexuals is going from gay to straight.
• 1:33:34
  You don't that's that's putting the cart before the horse.
• 1:33:36
  You want them to come to Jesus first, right?
• 1:33:39
  And then ask they grow in the Lord, he will begin to show them
• 1:33:44
  the Senate's in their life. I didn't even know until this
• 1:33:47
  year that I had been an idolater.
• 1:33:50
  Go ahead and show it to. God had to.
• 1:33:54
  Had to show me that. I made an idol out of a human
• 1:33:56
  being and he showed it to me by putting that person's face.
• 1:34:01
  On this thing right here. On a little figurine sure is I'm
• 1:34:06
  not displayed Ryan, its way it's not generic Circle guy.
• 1:34:18
  With the ball. You don't see that.
• 1:34:20
  You don't see the little figurine right now.
• 1:34:21
  Knows what was the name of those two people?
• 1:34:30
  I'll get your Freon. You said you want.
• 1:34:33
  It's he's a he's the son of Chinese immigrants Yuan.
• 1:34:40
  And Becket cook. Becket cook.
• 1:34:45
  They're both very active on YouTube and it said, Christopher
• 1:34:49
  Yuan. Yeah, I think it was hard to
• 1:34:59
  hear you, but were you saying that you went into a room, you
• 1:35:02
  were talking taco and then they threw that question that yet how
• 1:35:05
  you view it. No, I'm I do.
• 1:35:09
  I'm on orange Rob blasphemers Bible study.
• 1:35:14
  So I mean, I'm the token Christian.
• 1:35:21
  So you you probably know just as well as I that if you go on
• 1:35:25
  there and Roz. So podcast to show her whatever.
• 1:35:27
  He's got going on. A lot of the atheists and hang
• 1:35:30
  out with them. They already have a pretty good
• 1:35:32
  understanding of the do's and don'ts of God doesn't like Oreos
• 1:35:36
  for do. If you get asked a question like
• 1:35:39
  that, that's usually A build-up for a setup.
• 1:35:42
  So you can be screamed at for the next 30 minutes.
• 1:35:44
  I'm just saying that's, it's usually a setup.
• 1:35:48
  Oh, I know, I could probably write the atheist Playbook.
• 1:35:53
  Yeah. What is it?
• 1:35:56
  Been five months, I've been on that panel.
• 1:35:59
  Yeah, you've got one down. I wouldn't do it.
• 1:36:05
  It's it. I'm looking forward to God sake
• 1:36:10
  in the hooks away from me, but we'll see.
• 1:36:13
  Maybe somebody else will feel led to join you in there.
• 1:36:17
  Cuz we have two people to chew a better than one.
• 1:36:21
  Well, it is a process. I think I kind of chastise the
• 1:36:26
  group in the last study, because anytime I just say the word
• 1:36:30
  Jesus instantly everyone jumps on me at about how I'm out of
• 1:36:34
  context, if you want a Christian, I'm telling, you got
• 1:36:42
  to let me talk about Christ. I mean so silly, but they claim
• 1:36:51
  they want Channel balance, you know, Anna was open
• 1:36:56
  perspectives, but that is clearly not true.
• 1:36:58
  I'm hoping it was more into that direction though.
• 1:37:02
  I definitely know the audience. I'm, I'm approaching and I know
• 1:37:06
  their agenda. Yeah, it's it.
• 1:37:09
  It's a it's a different kind of fruit in about the Run, balika,
• 1:37:21
  passion, fruit, Denny's in the chat right now just so you know
• 1:37:28
  nidhi your message on my channel.
• 1:37:31
  I've been doing homework today on your stuff that you made a
• 1:37:35
  mess on your 9 topics. So that is open regarding some
• 1:37:44
  of your claims. His friends before my suggestion
• 1:37:53
  would be. If you know that somebody's
• 1:37:55
  throwing a question that you was going to ignite the room, just
• 1:37:59
  remember a lot of these folks. They've been doing this for a
• 1:38:02
  long time and just simply say, oh, why don't you share your
• 1:38:06
  view your educated in the Bible? You understand, what is commonly
• 1:38:10
  believed? Why don't you share?
• 1:38:11
  And we can go from there instead of putting yourself in the
• 1:38:15
  firing range. Well just the way it's set up.
• 1:38:21
  Now we go verse by verse, I can talk whenever I want pretty much
• 1:38:26
  just like everyone else the the the stratagems of of the
• 1:38:31
  adversary on that panel are so profound mean, orange, whether
• 1:38:35
  on purpose, or on accident, has blasphemed, in every possible
• 1:38:42
  Direction, you have the rabbinical Jews playing the word
• 1:38:48
  with ancient Rabbi scripture like.
• 1:38:52
  So they're, they're the toughest they spend most the time and in
• 1:38:58
  the audience doesn't even know that we're not even talking
• 1:39:00
  about the Bible talking about some, some other dudes nonsense
• 1:39:04
  that he made up. and then you have just love snakes and death
• 1:39:12
  just like the Bible describes and he's cool though I think
• 1:39:17
  he's a funny guy and I want to see him transformed And then the
• 1:39:22
  rest in a couple of murders Blasphemous.
• 1:39:24
  And then you have a guy who is pretty much a grad student has
• 1:39:28
  been going for eight years as an atheist on another Channel and
• 1:39:32
  and pretty much all the What would it be called, you know?
• 1:39:41
  Semanario left-wing semanario nonsense and front end.
• 1:39:48
  And on top of that, he's an atheist, it is blasphemy at its
• 1:39:51
  finest. And then for some reason you
• 1:39:53
  have me is definitely not a perfect man.
• 1:39:59
  Trying to put a defense there sometimes.
• 1:40:03
  It is pretty amazing though when you sit back and think about it
• 1:40:06
  I bet a few times you just kind of sat back and took a breath
• 1:40:09
  and said wow these atheist talk more about God than some
• 1:40:13
  Churches. I've been to Nidia, I would
• 1:40:18
  disagree, I believe that the Bible was written, before I
• 1:40:21
  believed that it was written by God even the Pain by a bunch of
• 1:40:25
  people and I think it was written for you.
• 1:40:29
  Now, maybe not not just what some ancient rabbis who played
• 1:40:36
  it into, being don't forget that Jesus came and reviews them.
• 1:40:39
  That was part of his is thing like you agree.
• 1:40:48
  Maybe I can leave if you want to come on.
• 1:40:53
  Why would I pay for him to come on?
• 1:40:56
  I think it's full. We're at 10.
• 1:40:58
  I do and I just want a mini. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm all of you
• 1:41:19
  for being here tonight and making this, a fantastic and
• 1:41:22
  Stellar program. Thank you, everyone.
• 1:41:27
  Will Ryan. I have to thank mr.
• 1:41:29
  Proverbs for, you know, throwing up the invites and all that.
• 1:41:33
  It's really nice meeting. You have met.
• 1:41:34
  A lot of new people here. Haven't talked to you and you
• 1:41:37
  all seem pretty cool to me. I'm glad I came.
• 1:41:40
  Yeah, I am too bright. I am too.
• 1:41:45
  It's been a real pleasure, praise the Lord.
• 1:41:49
  Samuel. I'm so honored you just talk to
• 1:42:02
  me then. I don't know what meal even
• 1:42:04
  would. But I can leave if you want
• 1:42:07
  room. Come on.
• 1:42:10
  I don't think we need the room. I don't think where I can pass.
• 1:42:14
  Oh, okay, I thought Shane was the I thought Shane was the lip
• 1:42:19
  myself but you should know more than I do, Proverbs the premium.
• 1:42:27
  So I think you would hate to be able to but I hope I'm wrong.
• 1:42:33
  If I have to Send someone out into the audience to make room
• 1:42:40
  for needy for a short time would anybody volunteer you could send
• 1:42:44
  me for a bit? That's fine, my partner.
• 1:42:49
  Well, I think we'll only need I want to go.
• 1:42:52
  So Grayson, if your loved one is calling, I'll send you out and
• 1:42:57
  just be in the audience. You're welcome to come right
• 1:42:59
  back as soon as he exits. Nice, talk to me there.
• 1:43:06
  Mister, Rex looking forward to talking to you later.
• 1:43:12
  Yeah, I believe he said he really enjoyed your show the
• 1:43:14
  other night, but he'll probably be a regular there.
• 1:43:17
  I'd imagine more. And hopefully God will give me
• 1:43:26
  the wisdom and intelligence Bell, to say something
• 1:43:29
  intelligent every once in awhile, but I really like about
• 1:43:32
  him is that he's always respectful, he's never
• 1:43:35
  Blasphemous, but she doesn't try to offend us.
• 1:43:38
  I love that about him. By the way, Proverbs I had a
• 1:43:47
  last night, I had a bit of inspiration and I made that
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  little short and I sent it to just about everybody that you
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  would, you be kind enough to upload it and I don't know if I
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  know how I mean. I absolutely.
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  Yeah. It seems like one minute is like
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  the magic threshold because I'm at 58 seconds because Jeremiah
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  is little six days of creation lesson was also exactly 1
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  minute. And it seems like one minute is
• 1:44:22
  sort of like the magic figure. So, yeah, I just was inspired.
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  I said, you know what, I can make a little illustration and
• 1:44:30
  that's why I've had people tell me to get rid of that figurine.
• 1:44:33
  But not if I can use it to make illustrations like that.
• 1:44:36
  I'm not going to if I can use it in that way.
• 1:44:39
  Hey, hey, we got Jordan back again.
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  Hey guys. Jordan.
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  Jordan, we're so glad to see you every time you're able to join
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  us because I don't see a real life enough.
• 1:44:54
  And we still need to, you know, father check is here.
• 1:44:58
  We need to tell him that one of these days, we're going to go
• 1:45:01
  both of us together. I got to go to that church.
• 1:45:04
  That's around the corner from your apartment.
• 1:45:05
  Yeah, that go to that thing. So, what's the topic of
• 1:45:11
  conversation right now Ryan? What y'all talkin about, Well,
• 1:45:17
  this guy down heat, he likes to visit Athens channels which, you
• 1:45:24
  know, he's got more guts than I do not just atheist.
• 1:45:33
  Brett Keane in the audience at one time, was the number one
• 1:45:37
  rated atheist on YouTube. He's now a Believer.
• 1:45:39
  And now, Aaron Ross, I believe is the number one rated atheist
• 1:45:44
  on YouTube in. P-town is a member of that
• 1:45:47
  particular atheist panel. Very brave.
• 1:45:53
  But yeah, I know I've told you about Samuel, spoonhour, Jordan.
• 1:46:02
  He walks up to people on the street and puts a camera and
• 1:46:07
  microphone in their face and talk to them about Jesus and
• 1:46:11
  that's not something. I've had the guts to do yet and
• 1:46:14
  it 21 years old, I have nothing but the greatest and able to do
• 1:46:19
  that and I commend you for doing that and and don't be
• 1:46:26
  discouraged brother. Just keep going.
• 1:46:28
  Thank you. I praise the Lord.
• 1:46:30
  I'm able to do it. It is truly a blessing in an
• 1:46:33
  hour. At 1.
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  Can I throw a grenade into the conversation?
• 1:46:39
  Go ahead. We need one is about the
• 1:46:41
  Nephilim. No, it is not although I am
• 1:46:45
  familiar with that Genesis reference there.
• 1:46:47
  But what the grenade, I want to throw into the conversation is
• 1:46:53
  in Ryan. I haven't even told you about
• 1:46:55
  this. But yo, I have watched this
• 1:46:56
  documentary that has blown my mind.
• 1:46:58
  It's called. Have y'all heard of torben
• 1:47:02
  sondergaard and the last Reformation I have not know
• 1:47:06
  about heard of it. I can't.
• 1:47:09
  Y'all have to look it up at this guy started ministry in Denmark
• 1:47:12
  and Samuel similar to Samuel. He does a lot of Street
• 1:47:17
  evangelism but the one difference being again, this has
• 1:47:23
  been kind of a theologically mind-bending.
• 1:47:28
  For me is that they do often when they proclaim the gospel.
• 1:47:32
  They often do see demons cast out and they do see healings
• 1:47:38
  happen and and I'm skeptical of of Summer Stop because there's
• 1:47:44
  there is a lot of phony stuff out there.
• 1:47:46
  But if y'all go and watch this documentary, it's an hour and a
• 1:47:49
  half long and they will approach people in the street they will
• 1:47:53
  approach people in the street that are incredulous when we
• 1:47:56
  pray for y'all and they're like, sure whatever it when they just
• 1:47:59
  stay in Jesus name, you know, ankle be healed.
• 1:48:02
  The look and they did this work. Eventually, work in Europe, will
• 1:48:05
  talk about a hard Mission field, you mention Denmark.
• 1:48:09
  Yeah. So nice.
• 1:48:20
  You got to Denmark, what do you have?
• 1:48:21
  Why do you have to Denmark flag there?
• 1:48:22
  I'll tell you why. If you look over here, are you,
• 1:48:28
  you can see a model of an Aston Martin.
• 1:48:31
  Sitting on top of the box, looks like a picnic basket.
• 1:48:34
  Can you see it? Not really, to be honest.
• 1:48:39
  Hold on. Oh, there we go.
• 1:48:45
  I've always had a fascination with Denmark.
• 1:48:48
  They are the heck, this is a Lego car.
• 1:48:52
  Lego is based in Denmark. This is a Bang & Olufsen,
• 1:48:56
  Bluetooth speaker, Bang & Olufsen is another Danish
• 1:49:00
  company. That's why I support that he has
• 1:49:10
  joined us, even comments before. Are you a theist or an atheist?
• 1:49:19
  You want me to give him an introduction.
• 1:49:25
  Some Nitty. Nitty is a nice guy.
• 1:49:27
  He was a Christian for a long time, if I was to psychoanalyze
• 1:49:39
  Mitty, he likes. He loves community and I think
• 1:49:44
  he was very involved with the church when he was a Christian
• 1:49:47
  for quite some time and now he's, it is community is amongst
• 1:49:53
  the atheist and I have no reservations and saying I wish I
• 1:49:59
  want to bring him back into our court, a man, but here's nidhi.
• 1:50:03
  That's his that's his thing he does on the show.
• 1:50:11
  Yes, that's generally how it goes.
• 1:50:16
  So yeah, I'm a nonbeliever. Are you guys tonight?
• 1:50:21
  You sound like you doing? All right.
• 1:50:22
  Good man. That you once belong to.
• 1:50:30
  Oh yeah, I guess like a it was a non-denominational thingy but it
• 1:50:36
  was promised and it wasn't Okay, you guys are in the independent
• 1:50:47
  church and the atheist community.
• 1:50:50
  No no, no. But I was part of, okay, and
• 1:50:56
  your personal experience. I see what you mean yet?
• 1:50:59
  So I took a what was it called? Like so the church I was a part
• 1:51:06
  of had like leadership training classes or whatever and we took
• 1:51:11
  like a like a high-level overview class like church
• 1:51:16
  history and then a study of like the different leadership
• 1:51:21
  structures within like churches and what would care how he would
• 1:51:26
  characterize? What a Biblical Church would be.
• 1:51:28
  And so, we looked at a little bit of like the papacy and Papal
• 1:51:33
  succession, we looked at how like church governing bodies
• 1:51:38
  work like the Presbyterian, how things are done by like more of
• 1:51:42
  a committee house smaller churches, usually have some type
• 1:51:45
  of eldership that and they might cast like some kind of
• 1:51:49
  congregational vote, but Don't generally lean to the what, like
• 1:51:54
  the what the elders feel like the spirit is doing.
• 1:51:56
  So yeah, there you go. They are, your family, is your
• 1:52:03
  family still believing? Or are you the the black sheep
• 1:52:07
  now? I'm mostly a black sheep for my
• 1:52:11
  immediate family. My kids don't know what the hell
• 1:52:14
  to think. So I have to say I'm your wife,
• 1:52:18
  your wife for Christmas or thank you.
• 1:52:21
  I usually try to be nice or face-to-face.
• 1:52:25
  My comments sometimes in comments I can get fussy.
• 1:52:31
  It depends on what you said. P-town had a comment for you but
• 1:52:35
  also stump which I guess left the panel.
• 1:52:44
  Well okay, let me correct that. If you, if you want my life
• 1:52:47
  story I'll give it to you but that it was like we were called
• 1:52:50
  I would have called myself when I was a Christian I would have
• 1:52:54
  called my young self up for Easter.
• 1:52:55
  That's when you go on Christmas and Easter eggs about it.
• 1:52:59
  Okay. Yeah just for the big Services.
• 1:53:02
  Basically you go take attendance twice a year.
• 1:53:04
  What b y mean at my parents will, right?
• 1:53:08
  It's not like I want to go to bed or did you guys go to I did
• 1:53:15
  once but then the rest of the time it was like let's go to
• 1:53:18
  this Friends Church over here or you know whatever Aunt Tina's
• 1:53:23
  doing whatever. So is it fair to say?
• 1:53:26
  Your parents aren't maybe like the most grounded in the faith
• 1:53:30
  or are they taking out my my biological parents, that's how I
• 1:53:37
  refer to them. Is not a My Mother Does go to a
• 1:53:44
  Look up. Protestant Baptist.
• 1:53:50
  I don't I'm not quite sure. It's Baptist ish.
• 1:53:54
  Church. Protestant.
• 1:53:56
  Yeah. Well yeah.
• 1:54:01
  And then my wife still goes to my former church and sometimes
• 1:54:06
  the kids go sometimes they don't but that's not because of me.
• 1:54:10
  Did you say? You did.
• 1:54:18
  Yeah, but I don't know if anyone here would consider them for
• 1:54:22
  founder, miraculous, if you don't mind sharing wheel of a
• 1:54:26
  good testimony. Sure, I guess like.
• 1:54:33
  My first like positive or like experience that I would
• 1:54:39
  characterize, as spiritual was, it was not too long after I had
• 1:54:45
  proclaimed Christ or whatever. That I felt like I should do a
• 1:54:53
  particular thing. I should stop a particular
• 1:54:55
  habit. That was not good for me.
• 1:54:58
  Inside was able to, for a very, very long time and I still don't
• 1:55:03
  do what I used to do in that for that particular think I prefer
• 1:55:07
  not to say because it's kind of like a weird, weird topic, it's
• 1:55:12
  not sexual. So we all have personal stuff
• 1:55:18
  and then like the second thing was like this going to the
• 1:55:27
  beach? It was like a type deal and
• 1:55:33
  feeling like this certain calmness in the ocean, despite
• 1:55:38
  it like it was my first time ever to the ocean.
• 1:55:41
  I didn't hear any voices or anything it, but it's definitely
• 1:55:45
  felt like different from other like, calmer spirituals sure.
• 1:55:50
  Yeah. And then, every once in awhile
• 1:55:54
  in a great great while I would feel really excited like beyond
• 1:56:02
  my normal excitement level, which is usually, pretty high to
• 1:56:06
  teach the Bible to my friends or when I was trying to talk about
• 1:56:11
  like the gospel with somebody. That's it.
• 1:56:16
  I didn't like he'll people or she like that now, but I mean,
• 1:56:20
  you did have personal experiences.
• 1:56:22
  Did you not find those experiences to be credible
• 1:56:25
  enough to believe in God? I mean, if you have the
• 1:56:28
  experience as I guess, my question is, what led you away
• 1:56:31
  from the Fate? Sure.
• 1:56:33
  Well, I mean that's like, So I don't think personal experiences
• 1:56:40
  are good enough evidence to believe in any really any
• 1:56:44
  religion. Seriously zero sense of personal
• 1:56:51
  experience doesn't count. Do you believe the universe
• 1:56:56
  exists? No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:57:01
  okay, okay. Okay.
• 1:57:02
  It needs a very big qualifier, right?
• 1:57:05
  The qualifier is personal, religious experiences are not
• 1:57:10
  good enough to believe in any type, any particular religion
• 1:57:13
  phenomenalism but if you're going to try and hit me with
• 1:57:18
  like series is solecism in stuff, I mean that's like let's
• 1:57:23
  talk about the hard problem of Consciousness who who did not
• 1:57:26
  pay grade right now, you want to do that.
• 1:57:28
  I'm trying to greet. I'm trying to agree with you
• 1:57:30
  actually Maddie Besides any religion comment, but sure, I
• 1:57:38
  think that a personal experience is not sufficient.
• 1:57:41
  I think Dad, the Bible is clear that we have a more, sure word.
• 1:57:46
  That that's supposed to be a combination.
• 1:57:49
  I can't actually have had a couple personal experiences that
• 1:57:55
  I think are quite profound. But yeah, I don't think I can
• 1:58:01
  put them in spirit and in truth truth is the biblical Foundation
• 1:58:10
  that keeps us grounded. Amen.
• 1:58:12
  But there is an aspect of spiritualism that we are
• 1:58:16
  supposed to to obtain. We're supposed to live in spirit
• 1:58:20
  and Truth, their personal experiences are absolutely valid
• 1:58:24
  for confirming an existence of at least a God does that have to
• 1:58:30
  automatically point to a Christian?
• 1:58:32
  Got no key to that, but absolutely personal experience
• 1:58:37
  counts for the spirit portion of spirit.
• 1:58:38
  And Truth is out the window. And I think I'm saying that I
• 1:58:48
  have something even better than a personal experience.
• 1:58:53
  I agree that the scriptures better.
• 1:59:00
  If you like having a religious experience and it's something
• 1:59:05
  that you can't deny. It would be like if I
• 1:59:07
  experienced a toothbrush behind the door and I shut the door.
• 1:59:13
  I know it's there. If I experience with fire.
• 1:59:18
  My mother's different ways to interpret it.
• 1:59:21
  But of course, she sounded like the first thing you mentioned
• 1:59:30
  that you did have a powerful experience, you have an obstacle
• 1:59:34
  in your life, you weren't clear on what that was but apparently
• 1:59:37
  according to you was bothering you and do to your face and your
• 1:59:41
  belief, you are able to deal with it and take on the
• 1:59:45
  challenge to me. That's a extraordinary
• 1:59:48
  experience. I mean, I have a way to account
• 1:59:54
  for it, but whether you guys would like that or not is
• 1:59:58
  another question, Do you have a, you have a way to account for
• 2:00:02
  your personal experience that first one?
• 2:00:04
  Yeah, of course. You were heavily medicated, no
• 2:00:08
  medication whatsoever. All right.
• 2:00:10
  Please define it. It was like, basically something
• 2:00:16
  akin to cognitive behavioral therapy.
• 2:00:18
  So, you know, looking at ways to create correct, the behavior
• 2:00:25
  through the beliefs about myself and journaling through that, and
• 2:00:30
  correcting, the false beliefs. I had about myself with what
• 2:00:33
  was, what I could perceive as a real about my, I'll just say, I
• 2:00:39
  was intensely anorexic. I had a very unhealthy obsession
• 2:00:44
  with my body and my way I was somehow much thinner than I am
• 2:00:49
  now, so, don't don't imagine that.
• 2:00:51
  And so I basically performed the early steps and like a very
• 2:01:00
  Amative form of cognitive behavioral therapy with myself.
• 2:01:06
  When you say that, are you referring to say, like trans has
• 2:01:09
  no. That is not what that is.
• 2:01:13
  The general premise of CBT and it's used by professional
• 2:01:23
  psychologist and therapist all the time.
• 2:01:27
  Like, this is a safe or good, just put it to be fair.
• 2:01:31
  It has theirs. So it is not that much different
• 2:01:36
  then affirming identity, truth to yourself in the New
• 2:01:41
  Testament. Like, if you read something that
• 2:01:43
  says, I am a part of the body of Christ, but you feel like you've
• 2:01:47
  been very distant from your friends or your community, but
• 2:01:51
  then you read that truth and you remind yourself up and you're
• 2:01:55
  going to feel and experience something different and it's
• 2:01:58
  going to motivate you to act differently.
• 2:02:00
  That's exactly what cognitive behavioral therapy is.
• 2:02:03
  It just doesn't have to do with the Bible.
• 2:02:06
  Well maybe you are that when you were first talking about your
• 2:02:10
  experience, you said that I thought you did.
• 2:02:12
  I can see that you felt that it came from Christianity or the
• 2:02:16
  concept of God. Now I have family members as
• 2:02:19
  well as friends that have suffered from anorexia and it
• 2:02:24
  can kill you, it can make you absolutely sick and destroy your
• 2:02:28
  life. So if you were able to get
• 2:02:31
  through some of that and take it on as a challenge, be able to
• 2:02:35
  mentally will yourself to do that.
• 2:02:36
  I will have to write that up as extraordinary.
• 2:02:41
  I think, how did you relate it to God at the time?
• 2:02:47
  yeah, I mean At first, like I think it just kind of got to a
• 2:02:55
  point where I could feel the unhealthiness of it and it I
• 2:03:01
  don't know, it was kind of like a mixed bag, like I thought
• 2:03:03
  maybe it was God or maybe I just was like just so tired of
• 2:03:10
  wearing my so. So God damn much that I just
• 2:03:12
  sorry, thinking of that. I was 228 lb this morning and
• 2:03:20
  I've lost 30 lb I can't believe I hit the two twenties.
• 2:03:24
  I'm 63 though, I'm not a giant. Sorry.
• 2:03:27
  Go ahead. May be pretty healthy if you do
• 2:03:31
  any kind of him to 228 now, I'm still still too big tomorrow.
• 2:03:46
  I am 63. I don't look 63 to you.
• 2:03:48
  I had to guess I haven't seen pictures of you standing.
• 2:03:52
  I mean, I don't know. What habits of me, Steven and
• 2:04:00
  Christian pipe. And I'm right next to Steve and
• 2:04:03
  I look like a little boy, and if you don't mind me asking, and if
• 2:04:10
  it's too personal, you can just say past.
• 2:04:12
  But what do you think? Do you have a theory or an
• 2:04:15
  opinion on why it is that you got into that state in the first
• 2:04:18
  place of anorexia? Oh, yeah, and I wouldn't have
• 2:04:22
  said it was demonic per say if that is if that's where you want
• 2:04:27
  to kind of go with it, no, I wouldn't.
• 2:04:32
  Part of it was in my teenage years, I wanted something to
• 2:04:35
  control because I felt like my life was generally out of
• 2:04:40
  control. So, that's something I kind of
• 2:04:44
  laughs on to us. Like what what's something that
• 2:04:49
  you can't can affect more than your own body, right?
• 2:04:52
  It's pretty clear. It's going to be pretty high up
• 2:04:55
  there on your list, right? It's similar to maybe you want
• 2:04:59
  how some people get onto drugs, it's some kind of escape from
• 2:05:04
  the pain and frustration of something that you're dealing
• 2:05:07
  with and it's something that you can administer as much as you'd
• 2:05:10
  like to yourself as long as you have access.
• 2:05:12
  So, similarly, exercise or the kind of what's the word I'm
• 2:05:20
  looking for like a dopamine rush to see a different like number
• 2:05:26
  or product progress to some insane.
• 2:05:30
  But you have towards your body. So yeah, that that's what I
• 2:05:34
  would say is why it's more succinctly answer.
• 2:05:37
  The question. Why is?
• 2:05:38
  Because I reached for something to control in my life when I
• 2:05:43
  felt like I was young and things are out of control, just like my
• 2:05:47
  family and stuff. And so that was the thing to
• 2:05:50
  grab onto and I would you say things are now do you feel like
• 2:05:55
  you have Benny obstacles with wanting to control things or are
• 2:05:59
  you just going to Live and Let Die type of thing?
• 2:06:03
  No. I'm I'm I'm generally I mean I'm
• 2:06:06
  substantially like free from thinking about that but I think
• 2:06:12
  in general I just kind of go with the flow now.
• 2:06:14
  I don't I don't worry about too much for trying to like Drive a
• 2:06:20
  particular course for my life or something or use people or money
• 2:06:24
  or things to achieve this thing, I'm barrel down on.
• 2:06:29
  I don't even know what that that would be.
• 2:06:33
  Maybe I missed something but nidhi.
• 2:06:35
  How did you relate this experience at the time?
• 2:06:41
  To it being evidence for God, know I was already convinced
• 2:06:47
  that God exists and then I felt like that was an additional
• 2:06:50
  thing that at the moment like maybe God is helping me with
• 2:06:55
  this, maybe that that's where the motivation is coming from
• 2:06:58
  when I think it could just as much be like I'm just sick of
• 2:07:02
  this. Now that you reflect on it.
• 2:07:05
  So you it's hard for you to like it's hard for me to separate
• 2:07:09
  which one it could be right at this point.
• 2:07:11
  But at that time and I'm just trying to figure out what well,
• 2:07:19
  I mean, I'm sorry I didn't mean her up at 5 met and even in
• 2:07:24
  person he's 63 You're six foot three problems.
• 2:07:35
  Yes sir goodness gracious. I'm 65.
• 2:07:39
  If you and I were to walk around people, think we are parallel
• 2:07:41
  keys. Are you?
• 2:07:43
  Or you might, you might be Nephilim for all.
• 2:07:47
  I know we were all wearing some big boys.
• 2:07:51
  I watch scary round something soon.
• 2:08:01
  I get any bigger some miracle. That Brett Sheen's daughter,
• 2:08:11
  ever dated, I would rather you take a look at some of my old
• 2:08:18
  videos where I'm in the park with my kids and you'll see me
• 2:08:20
  standing next to a slide lot of people.
• 2:08:23
  Notice that they go my good, this man has had a little kids
• 2:08:25
  slide and I said no. That's a normal sized slide
• 2:08:28
  right now. I had no idea about that Brett.
• 2:08:36
  That's crazy. Yeah, I I had no idea you were
• 2:08:38
  that tall. Are you familiar with?
• 2:08:41
  Brett Neddy? I seen his channel.
• 2:08:43
  What happened to channel? It's still there.
• 2:08:48
  When it did go down for a little bit, but it is back up here
• 2:08:53
  until YouTube decided that they were being mean to me for no
• 2:08:56
  reason. Yeah, I think you popped on my
• 2:09:03
  Channel Once. Wong, double x.
• 2:09:10
  So what did he do? You want me to my share of
• 2:09:13
  experience? I had last year?
• 2:09:15
  Did I already share my experience?
• 2:09:21
  Go ahead, p-town. Well, it would take a really
• 2:09:27
  long time to talk about all of it, but since you brought up a
• 2:09:32
  medical condition, One of, you know, part of the experience
• 2:09:40
  that I had. I I came to this Christian
• 2:09:43
  retreat thing. I've never been to one bunch of
• 2:09:46
  dudes, go out and drink my way. There's a process involved to
• 2:09:49
  confess all your sins amongst Brothers.
• 2:09:52
  I'm assuming there's other camps or whatever after that are
• 2:09:56
  similar. I don't know, but I get there
• 2:09:58
  and I'm just mad. I'm upset because I am I feel
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  like I'm putting myself too high on a pedestal of the time.
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  I'm like I don't even know why I'm here with these Renegades.
• 2:10:09
  Like I could be like I never take a vacation and one of them
• 2:10:15
  is hike I don't go hunting and fishing like I want to and yet
• 2:10:18
  here I am in the woods doing I'm pissed and long story short.
• 2:10:23
  There's a moment when I'm journaling, and And God tells me
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  and I don't know if he tells me this, but he he says that he
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  town. Like I didn't make you to be
• 2:10:39
  happy to something with me. Is my eye come from?
• 2:10:44
  Three generations of. People who committed suicide
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  before me. I look just like my grandma.
• 2:10:52
  For example, I got you, so I struggle with depression, my
• 2:10:59
  great-grandmother my grandma, but my mom's, You know, I try to
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  do it four times from me. And then just my personality is
• 2:11:14
  I don't have me Suicidal Thoughts because I have a lot of
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  other attributes. But The.
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  These long periods of time when you is probably worse than the
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  world when you're just depressed for no reason.
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  It's not like situation is just so I'm at this review and I I
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  don't want to fake a smile, that's the worst thing in the
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  world. Anyway, got told me I didn't
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  make you have it in and it's shity said this.
• 2:11:48
  To me, instantly. It was like It went, it went
• 2:11:53
  like eyes are smiling. And what was the content of the
• 2:12:06
  vision? Are you don't want to say?
• 2:12:07
  I'll tell you because now it could actually make sense kind
• 2:12:11
  of now before I started talking to atheist and going out on
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  online. But I'm in the woods, I'm
• 2:12:21
  throwing Rock, I'm pissed in my car.
• 2:12:23
  If I'm going to be here, I'm going to do this guy cuz I'm mad
• 2:12:25
  and a jump, a deer throwing rocks at Chase the deer and I'm
• 2:12:33
  just fighting, God out here. Okay, the stupidest thing
• 2:12:37
  because if you, I am not charismatic and I'm looking for
• 2:12:42
  Spiritual like Epiphany because I think this is the old atheist
• 2:12:48
  any problems. But like I'm just Once I get
• 2:12:57
  done chasing the deer and I get this.
• 2:13:00
  Now, when I say Vision, I'm very well aware that there's no
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  mountain lion, but it's also, I'm very well aware that this
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  stupid mountain lion in my head. That I'm seeing with my mind's
• 2:13:13
  eye is just there because before I see it, I get terrified to
• 2:13:20
  sense of feel like something's behind me about to jump out and
• 2:13:24
  get me, okay? And I'm thinking mountain lion,
• 2:13:27
  I've had encounters with them. When I was hunting me some K.
• 2:13:30
  So there's a little bit. You have a category for this
• 2:13:34
  kind of thing and then I turn around and boom, there's a big
• 2:13:39
  male mountain lion in my mind's. Eye facing me down, okay?
• 2:13:44
  And I'm still fighting God, cuz I'm pissed off.
• 2:13:47
  Why am I here wasting my time? Doing this stupid Charismatic
• 2:13:52
  Christian nonsense. Right.
• 2:13:54
  When I got it it was going to say that you should smile.
• 2:13:56
  You should smile like it's so stupid.
• 2:13:59
  I'm telling you that everyone like I just walk around like
• 2:14:07
  it's normal. Like I'm just I'm just living my
• 2:14:09
  life like it's I don't want to fake a smile.
• 2:14:12
  So you have a great face and you know what I mean?
• 2:14:20
  I bet anyway. So because I go through long
• 2:14:23
  periods like that or I used to and Anyway I see this business
• 2:14:29
  and I'm saying because I'm fighting.
• 2:14:32
  I might attack me, let's go, let's just in my mind, okay, I
• 2:14:38
  get it, I'm not mad at you. I can finish this whole where I
• 2:14:42
  can't get this imaginary mountain lion to attack.
• 2:14:45
  Me, it wasn't until like six months later.
• 2:14:50
  Bye for where I'm like, oh I'm literally now.
• 2:14:58
  Hangout with atheists. and the and some one of the, I can't pin
• 2:15:04
  it down, but I honestly think that if there is naturally that
• 2:15:07
  I have, don't think I'm special is that Doesn't they don't
• 2:15:13
  attack me as much or I'm or, I don't know how I can be in.
• 2:15:18
  The Lion's Den in essence. I would like to get Samuel in
• 2:15:25
  the YouTube channel where you go out and you interview, random
• 2:15:34
  people much like the ring Comfort style.
• 2:15:37
  You have a little bit of knowledge on nitty now and a
• 2:15:41
  little bit of knowledge on his name is Grayson but you'll
• 2:15:44
  probably see him as Rex, right below.
• 2:15:46
  You. And his his belief, with his
• 2:15:49
  God, how would you address these gentlemen on the road in an
• 2:15:53
  interview? Well personally, I have come
• 2:15:58
  across both instances and especially when I'm out, my job
• 2:16:05
  is to share the gospel and God even command side of us to to
• 2:16:10
  share the gospel. So it's not that I wouldn't go
• 2:16:14
  over some apologetics it's that I am mainly try to emphasize the
• 2:16:21
  person repenting and trusting Christ and my ultimate reasoning
• 2:16:26
  personally is because I I care about everyone, I would never
• 2:16:29
  want to see anyone end up in hell and be judged by God and
• 2:16:33
  even remember your different takes on.
• 2:16:36
  Hell that ultimately doesn't matter because God is a God of
• 2:16:40
  Justice. And he's a holy God, he has to
• 2:16:43
  be separate from send. So, even if it's a torment of
• 2:16:47
  the mind or destruction, you know, that's something that you
• 2:16:50
  still don't want to happen, you know.
• 2:16:53
  You would have to hate someone for you to want that to happen.
• 2:16:56
  A person. So my main goal is planning that
• 2:17:00
  seat of the gospel and Paul says in Romans that the gospel is the
• 2:17:05
  power in the salvation. And who is Romans 1 16 and 17.
• 2:17:09
  I don't know if it was you or earlier that it said this but I
• 2:17:15
  think it was you you had said that you believe that there's
• 2:17:17
  some people out there who suppress their belief in God,
• 2:17:20
  that they actually do believe, but they suppress it was that
• 2:17:25
  you and if not, you can correct me on that.
• 2:17:27
  The city of you on that. I don't know if I personally
• 2:17:31
  said that, but it is true that people are technically, everyone
• 2:17:36
  knows inherently that. There is a God and I realize
• 2:17:39
  people disagree with me when I say that, but it's okay, but I
• 2:17:44
  guess because especially the fact that we have a conscience,
• 2:17:48
  right? I'll mention that and people
• 2:17:49
  like yeah, I know the conscious is Right, everyone knows that
• 2:17:52
  and people can try to explain But it, it's so interesting how
• 2:17:58
  it lines up with the Ten Commandments.
• 2:17:59
  Ray Comfort pointed this out. One time to an atheist and he's
• 2:18:02
  like, oh yeah, you're right. It kind of does.
• 2:18:05
  Yeah. And when I go through the law of
• 2:18:08
  the Ten Commandments, I I end up getting the person to realize
• 2:18:14
  and they they tend to justify themselves which is a sign that
• 2:18:20
  they still think they're good person.
• 2:18:22
  So I I keep going, I'm trying to get people to realize.
• 2:18:27
  They, they aren't good. Naturally inherently and we are,
• 2:18:31
  we are wide. And so then we we have broken
• 2:18:35
  this. This law that is inside of us,
• 2:18:38
  is Jordan Peterson. Said, it's literally the law of
• 2:18:41
  the universe that God is has at into time, and when we break it,
• 2:18:46
  there are other consequences for that.
• 2:18:48
  So I do still go over apologetic sometimes and just basic stuff.
• 2:18:56
  Work. I have more of these
• 2:18:57
  conversations and I've been able to practice them.
• 2:19:01
  So, like, what do you do for work?
• 2:19:04
  I work at a cheese factory but the people there are they not
• 2:19:09
  only well, at least. They used to pick on me a lot,
• 2:19:11
  but very stubborn. Oh your Wisconsin.
• 2:19:21
  Oh my goodness, you are really lucky that.
• 2:19:26
  You can have those kinds of conversations at work.
• 2:19:28
  Not just because like you know the corporate world is woke or
• 2:19:34
  something but like Yes, but like your input, there are like
• 2:19:39
  menial, not to denigrate like what you do or anything.
• 2:19:42
  But there are menial jobs roof, like, you're working there and
• 2:19:45
  some of us like, shut the f up. Like, then that's that'll be the
• 2:19:50
  end of it. Cuz if the management doesn't
• 2:19:51
  want you to make other workers and comfortable, then it's just
• 2:19:54
  over, right? And it's not because they're not
• 2:19:56
  Christian themselves. It's just because they might
• 2:20:00
  think that time and place is right.
• 2:20:01
  Right. Exactly.
• 2:20:03
  Hey, if that's if you're able to talk to people in the receptive
• 2:20:07
  talking about it, I mean go for it supposed to say, oh yeah, I
• 2:20:15
  believe I'm going to heaven because I'm a good person or are
• 2:20:26
  you a good person? Stolen.
• 2:20:38
  I'm a wicked sinner but I've been saved by God's grace and
• 2:20:42
  he's changed me for the better. I even with my take on or this
• 2:20:47
  is my take on the personal experience thing.
• 2:20:49
  It's not that I don't take those into account, it's that I just
• 2:20:55
  try to focus on what the Bible ultimately says, and I try to
• 2:20:59
  seek the evidence and things and I've been, I've seen the
• 2:21:04
  evidence for myself. So it I've had also issues with
• 2:21:10
  personal experience before that weren't biblical at all and
• 2:21:15
  ended up causing me problems. And so I I just tried to.
• 2:21:19
  As Paul says the stern discern, the spirits and even Jesus said
• 2:21:25
  that Satan is the God of this world and he will try to deceive
• 2:21:28
  you in any way he can. I mean, for goodness sakes,
• 2:21:31
  there's a reason that the the Mormons have changed their names
• 2:21:35
  to the LDS. It's and the reason their
• 2:21:38
  commercials don't talk about what they really believe.
• 2:21:41
  It's the the best way to get people into it.
• 2:21:45
  You make it look nice and fluffy and sugary put put the cherry on
• 2:21:49
  top, on the outside, but then on the inside, it's a cult.
• 2:21:53
  They presented this to another denomination and it's such a
• 2:22:00
  blessing because ever since I first started watching your
• 2:22:03
  videos, I don't know how long until six months ago, nine
• 2:22:06
  months ago, I had wanted to meet you and tonight it's like, I'm
• 2:22:10
  virtually meaning you and so that's good enough.
• 2:22:12
  If you guys could when you get an opportunity, put your YouTube
• 2:22:18
  channel link sense of the private chat.
• 2:22:20
  So I can click on you, subscribe to, and harass, you on a daily
• 2:22:23
  basis, Samuel. I got a question for you as well
• 2:22:26
  as many if you don't mind Samuel, do you find it?
• 2:22:29
  More challenging? Having discussions with people
• 2:22:32
  were skeptical doing the right comfort thing or do we Online
• 2:22:38
  stuff in the question for nydia's.
• 2:22:40
  Maybe you know, just as well as hi.
• 2:22:42
  There's people out there that they tend to have similar
• 2:22:45
  experiences and will inevitably run into people like this in our
• 2:22:49
  lives. If you ever have that a young
• 2:22:52
  girl or man coming to your show and they say that they suffer
• 2:22:56
  from anorexia, but due to their Christian beliefs that help them
• 2:23:00
  work their way through it. What would you say to them as a
• 2:23:04
  non-believer now? So I'll handle that one first, I
• 2:23:08
  hope Sam you, you caught your first question, but I would say
• 2:23:11
  to them if this is something that you believe is really
• 2:23:17
  helping you succeed past This well basically like mint
• 2:23:25
  physical and mental condition, stay with it.
• 2:23:28
  I think that's a great answer Samuel where you able to hear my
• 2:23:32
  question hardly. I I think you should probably
• 2:23:38
  say it again. Let me break it down.
• 2:23:40
  Since I've been in the bed, I apologize.
• 2:23:42
  Do you find it easier to converse with people online as
• 2:23:46
  opposed to going out of meeting them.
• 2:23:48
  They hear your tone are, they can see your facial expressions.
• 2:23:56
  It's just so difficult even especially over texting.
• 2:24:01
  I've learned that with the stalking family and trying to
• 2:24:04
  get across my point, but yeah, online it's so difficult you
• 2:24:09
  could say something so sarcastic and mean it.
• 2:24:12
  Well, but it come across is just utterly rude.
• 2:24:15
  So it's it's much easier to talk to people up front but it is
• 2:24:20
  nice that with you too. But I can share people Links of
• 2:24:23
  videos and, and take them to some of the people that I watch
• 2:24:27
  and listen to And I hate to be that guy to end like this but I
• 2:24:33
  actually have to get going to appreciate that.
• 2:24:41
  Thank you so much. You got to set up a like a tag
• 2:24:46
  for yourself cuz you're just like, you're still the like, The
• 2:24:51
  like letters and numbers and stuff.
• 2:24:53
  So give yourself like a at handle or whatever in your
• 2:24:56
  settings and then people find you more easily.
• 2:24:59
  Oh yes I know it's at the gospel call so I need 20 at Aptoide.
• 2:25:05
  Get you the euro thing I see you're saying and let's try it
• 2:25:15
  in the YouTube url. I saw Samuel, make sure you
• 2:25:19
  subscribe to this channel but also Ryan's because typically
• 2:25:23
  when we do our big panels and atheist, come on to challenge us
• 2:25:27
  when we challenge them, We will get the notice nice to meet you.
• 2:25:37
  You brought a lot of wisdom to be his house.
• 2:25:39
  Very good. I subscribed to you ever, you
• 2:25:52
  ever want to give it a shot with my atheist friends, like midi,
• 2:25:57
  then come to my channel when I have something for me and I was
• 2:26:06
  like, oh my God, I was. So I was so tired and I got you.
• 2:26:15
  He's got the beginning of the chapter.
• 2:26:22
  In place of goodbye, also. What you say?
• 2:26:29
  Shalom in place of good-byes, Willis.
• 2:26:31
  Hello Sort of like a little hard.
• 2:26:35
  Yes, you could also say goodbye, which, in in Latin a literally
• 2:26:41
  means God be with you. You, you were a blessing here in
• 2:26:48
  this in this room tonight and come back.
• 2:26:51
  I hope you'll come back and maybe become a regular, if
• 2:26:53
  you're able to, and would be an honor and a privilege.
• 2:26:56
  I love talking to Rex. I love talking to nidhi, and all
• 2:27:01
  of you. It's not like, I praise God.
• 2:27:03
  It's been so great and I'll be praying for you.
• 2:27:05
  I care about you and absolute but everybody, listening, make
• 2:27:12
  sure you go to these guys as channels and subscribe to them.
• 2:27:14
  It helps out a lot. I don't subscribe to me, I'm
• 2:27:19
  crazy. Don't do that.
• 2:27:20
  I'm telling you not to Jesus, so y'all go double, subscribe to
• 2:27:27
  him, click the Bell, then I'll be nice to you my comments and
• 2:27:43
  I'll be nicer to you guys in your comments.
• 2:27:45
  If, as long as you don't name, call me, make fun of my
• 2:27:49
  appearance or my room and I dig the room.
• 2:27:54
  Yes, your appearance. I could take her leave.
• 2:27:56
  And when I appear in the room and my character, that's what it
• 2:28:07
  is. Like being an asshole, to be an
• 2:28:10
  asshole, or something like that. Or, or likes accuse me of, like,
• 2:28:14
  doing something really gross, and secret, or some And I'll
• 2:28:17
  just block you cuz that that's happened to you in the closet
• 2:28:22
  watch. Alex Jones, and I think you
• 2:28:24
  binge watch it. I'm sorry.
• 2:28:27
  I really got to know if it was happening to the frogs, so it's
• 2:28:32
  the gay frogs drug. That was, I don't know.
• 2:28:42
  That was a really good good suggestion of what I like that.
• 2:28:48
  All right, goodnight, brother, they live forever.
• 2:28:55
  If you want to go through point B for me, I'll do it with you,
• 2:29:01
  my comment. My goodness is somebody playing
• 2:29:07
  a dead in his back there or what attracts fell into a?
• 2:29:12
  I don't know. You started making some kind of
• 2:29:20
  Wicked. Is that it smells?
• 2:29:33
  That wasn't it. It might be your might this
• 2:29:36
  making all that noise? Alexa to come back.
• 2:29:41
  See if that helps you guys need to pray about the Providence.
• 2:29:53
  Stopping me from being heard at you for a little bit.
• 2:29:57
  Always my friend. When we were having a
• 2:30:01
  conversation, you obviously, you see yesterday you and the scotus
• 2:30:05
  that you speak of, but you also said that you have a view that
• 2:30:08
  evolution is true. How do you believe that work
• 2:30:11
  together? If you don't mind me asking,
• 2:30:14
  what do you mean? I guess I don't see a
• 2:30:17
  contradiction when they couldn't work together.
• 2:30:18
  Stick idea of this. Do you believe the goddess
• 2:30:26
  created? Things rolling from some kind of
• 2:30:28
  single organism. How did the how did this start
• 2:30:31
  for you? Oh no, I believe, simulation is
• 2:30:34
  simply a model of things happened, just the way that
• 2:30:40
  might happen. Might happen in reality with
• 2:30:42
  maybe minor variations to account for consciousness.
• 2:30:46
  What do you think of that midi? I've heard a lot of
• 2:30:49
  non-believers who are starting to get into the idea that we
• 2:30:52
  might live in a simulation. I'm not saying you do, but what
• 2:30:55
  do you think about that view? I mean, that I put that you on
• 2:31:01
  par with like like some form of like solecism self skepticism.
• 2:31:09
  Like it's just unfalsifiable like at the end of the day.
• 2:31:13
  Like how do you prove that you're not in the simulation?
• 2:31:16
  How do you prove that? You are like that?
• 2:31:18
  You could just a tribute, anything as to being in the
• 2:31:21
  simulation or not in the simulation like It's a very
• 2:31:28
  important points in Iraq's, you said that you actually got taken
• 2:31:32
  out of the simulation and you were a part of Base reality for
• 2:31:35
  a while. They're what is the difference
• 2:31:37
  between the simulation and base reality?
• 2:31:39
  I know some people might be going, what the hell you talkin
• 2:31:42
  about? This is something me and Rex got
• 2:31:45
  into for a little bit. I thought you guys might think
• 2:31:47
  is interesting as well and remember to mind your language.
• 2:31:50
  Please. Everybody boy, got to work on
• 2:31:55
  that for sure. I would say for the prospective
• 2:32:02
  Might not be nothing to you. Don't, you don't have anything
• 2:32:05
  you want to throw on there. No.
• 2:32:08
  I mean other than like setting. I mean, I was obviously in a
• 2:32:11
  different setting, but as far as experiencing things and things
• 2:32:15
  happening that I would say that the simulation is set on such a
• 2:32:18
  way that we mixed reality. Is that reality would not be a
• 2:32:22
  foreign concept to us. Well, I guess what I would put
• 2:32:26
  it to you this way. How do you know that what was
• 2:32:28
  the difference between the base reality in the simulation?
• 2:32:31
  How are you even able to differentiate it?
• 2:32:35
  I suppose I've been being informed.
• 2:32:37
  I was in base reality. There would be no way for me to
• 2:32:38
  be certain that I was not in a another simulation.
• 2:32:42
  That's fair enough. That's kind of.
• 2:32:44
  Like what Eddie said earlier. You can't really tell if you
• 2:32:46
  are, if you're not that sucks. So what brought you to the idea
• 2:32:51
  that you think I'll wear outside of it then there's got to be
• 2:32:54
  something that gave you. The idea that you were outside
• 2:32:57
  of it? I didn't move it.
• 2:33:20
  It might have been Are you guys experiencing the same thing?
• 2:33:24
  Cuz it might be my end. Does he sound like he's getting
• 2:33:27
  Gravely? Okay, try again, relax.
• 2:33:32
  Maybe you spilled some of that juice on that.
• 2:33:34
  I don't know. Oakley Adam will come in with
• 2:33:36
  this is well, and come back, but it is real hope you guys are
• 2:33:43
  perfect. I know go ahead and reload
• 2:33:45
  though Bud cuz I have a feeling of Suspicion.
• 2:33:47
  It'll keep coming back with William Lane Craig.
• 2:33:53
  I've been having technical problems with his mic for a
• 2:33:57
  while there earlier. So you and I were doing a show
• 2:34:08
  together. He was not exactly.
• 2:34:16
  I was just wondering if he still regular Don your show.
• 2:34:21
  See, that's what I, that's what I've been interested in.
• 2:34:24
  Getting them to you. I do realize that there's a lot
• 2:34:26
  of the CS2 also holds the idea of evolution.
• 2:34:30
  I've been wanting to get in the conversations with folks like
• 2:34:32
  this and see where they're coming from.
• 2:34:34
  I don't know about you Ryan, where you're at?
• 2:34:39
  I want some people who believe that God created reality and
• 2:34:45
  existence and all physical matter and then there's other
• 2:34:48
  people who believe that God did it but he just kind of got it
• 2:34:51
  going and then people came from monkeys and rabbits and such and
• 2:34:54
  I don't say that Evolution necessary Adam to go and
• 2:35:09
  straighten these boys out. I was just going to say I don't
• 2:35:16
  think that Evolution necessarily reject some Christian worldview.
• 2:35:21
  I must say, I believe in it. I'm just saying that you can
• 2:35:25
  even still. I don't think it's like that.
• 2:35:29
  He'll dad ion. You know I'm saying?
• 2:35:32
  It's not like that cuz there's a lot of Genesis and steal a
• 2:35:44
  devout Christian. Yeah, there are.
• 2:35:47
  I mean, I used to be an older Creations for start listening to
• 2:35:50
  Kent hovind, and the funny thing is I had been a young Earth
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  creationism, SRT-10 ham and something.
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  Something pulled me out of this down the other road until I
• 2:36:02
  start listening to Kent hovind. Ryan.
• 2:36:05
  How old do you think that the Earth is if you don't mind me
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  asking? I don't have an exact around six
• 2:36:13
  thousand years. You don't think it's close to
• 2:36:16
  10,000. It's closer to 6010 Thousand
• 2:36:21
  Oaks. Billions.
• 2:36:28
  You could to be closer to 10,000.
• 2:36:30
  Enough. It's really faint.
• 2:36:34
  Let me see if I can help you out here. also Chrome always works
• 2:36:41
  better if you're in Firefox, but not quieter, he's quieter for
• 2:36:49
  sure. Guys, I think I'm going to call
• 2:36:53
  it a night. Y'all are welcome to continue.
• 2:36:55
  All right. Now before I go next week, be
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  sure to tune in next week because it looks like.
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  I've pretty much got to guarantee that we're going to
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  have Eli Yoder with us. Your brief plug for Eli Yoder.
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  Yes, he is a former Amish man. Amish Gone Wild.
• 2:37:23
  Honest. John what he went, when he left
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  the Amish, he did go wild for about 20 years and then he got
• 2:37:30
  saved. So he has the unique perspective
• 2:37:33
  of having been raised in a very strict legalistic environment.
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  And then he went out and tried the pleasures of the world.
• 2:37:45
  And so he has been in both camps and now he's say that he's on
• 2:37:50
  fire for the Lord and I'm honored, I'll be honored to have
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  him come in here next week. Next week, next Tuesday, the
• 2:38:04
  Amish escapee you come into the room anymore, she escaped, he
• 2:38:25
  left them turned his back, on his left when he was 18 and then
• 2:38:29
  he lived in the world for about 20 years.
• 2:38:31
  How did I let him give a little testimony when he's here?
• 2:38:34
  That either way if you hear him now he is absolutely on fire for
• 2:38:45
  God if you hear him now. So I'm looking forward to that.
• 2:38:48
  So if everybody keep that in in mind does sound like an
• 2:38:53
  interesting conversation right there.
• 2:38:54
  I thought the Amish they allowed their young to be able to leave
• 2:38:58
  the premises for like a week or something.
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  She'll be able to answer that question a lot better than I
• 2:39:07
  can. That's the armored it's possible
• 2:39:19
  that his particular sect did not permit.
• 2:39:21
  That every sect is different. Some of them are more
• 2:39:25
  conservative, some of their more Progressive, it just know too.
• 2:39:31
  Honest trees are exactly the same.
• 2:39:34
  Adam grew up on us and I don't know.
• 2:39:37
  He may disagree with you. Then Adam definitely needs to be
• 2:39:44
  here next Tuesday night. I don't know, I guess, sometimes
• 2:39:49
  I can't tell Proverbs guys, kidding or not.
• 2:39:50
  Let's see. They believe.
• 2:40:02
  Jesus was God. I think they have a lot of weird
• 2:40:06
  beliefs, take a company that singular belief.
• 2:40:12
  That there's a God now and rights.
• 2:40:25
  If I hit a no, don't hit in broadcast.
• 2:40:30
  My goodness. You want to hit leave Studio?
• 2:40:34
  Ryan, do not hit in Run cast. Mercy.
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  Okay gentleman. Welcome Adam.
• 2:40:42
  Everybody has gone. I think if you find it, I
• 2:40:52
  haven't ruined it. Now we're tied problems.
• 2:41:00
  Come back though, believer. Glad the edge.
• 2:41:11
  Do Adam. I don't know if you heard I was
• 2:41:14
  basically asking Mr. Wreck. So what was the difference
• 2:41:17
  between base reality in the simulation that he believes that
• 2:41:21
  he was absorbed from? Write extra credit from my
• 2:41:27
  recollection. You, the differences would be
• 2:41:30
  one. You have you lack emotions for
• 2:41:34
  the most part in the simulation? In base reality.
• 2:41:37
  You feel genuine emotions? Right neurotypical.
• 2:41:45
  I don't, I don't think there would be a distinguishable
• 2:41:47
  difference between Ivory for you, but for you, I don't know.
• 2:41:56
  That seems like an interesting part of the whole story and it
• 2:41:59
  also you believed that you were brought out of a simulation in
• 2:42:04
  your brought in to base reality but not as a, an organic human
• 2:42:08
  but something more like An artificial construction of an
• 2:42:13
  Android or something more like that, right?
• 2:42:15
  Like it was similar to human but you were literally like You
• 2:42:20
  weren't just a human there. You were brought out of the
• 2:42:22
  simulation into an artificial form, right?
• 2:42:25
  And also I had to come here about this and also racks, it's
• 2:42:37
  like into some kind of like You told Brett and I that it was
• 2:42:42
  like a space station or what was it has Voyager, but it worked
• 2:42:49
  for me in such a way that would be neat.
• 2:42:54
  Like you're on the Enterprise or on some slick Vulcan ship.
• 2:42:56
  When you know, somebody that you're in a spaceship, that's
• 2:43:01
  all you need. You don't need to get all fancy
• 2:43:02
  about it. Go ahead and Eddie so sorry
• 2:43:04
  about that but I can't have it without a seven of nine.
• 2:43:08
  I mean I will just be lost. Its everyone needs to seven my
• 2:43:12
  friend. Stimulate me, anytime.
• 2:43:21
  So I was just going to ask Gregg, see if so is, is there
• 2:43:26
  judgment after the simulation? Like when you die or do you just
• 2:43:31
  cease to exist or how do you have, you work the new.
• 2:43:34
  So what happens when you die? And I think that you either
• 2:43:37
  their three scenarios essentially, the worst case
• 2:43:41
  scenario is he there you can and I like this and you'll cease to
• 2:43:44
  exist entirely you will continue to be refined and us go back
• 2:43:47
  into another simulation, or you'll be allowed access to base
• 2:43:50
  reality. One of those three things will
• 2:43:52
  happen. Now, when you say go in the
• 2:43:55
  second one, go back into the simulation, you won't be going
• 2:43:58
  back is the feature that you was before.
• 2:44:01
  It's some kind of reincarnation. You will be the same
• 2:44:04
  Consciousness and a different form.
• 2:44:06
  She'll be refining, your Consciousness.
• 2:44:08
  Can you explain to me the difference between your view of
• 2:44:14
  the universe, being a simulation in a Christian worldview, where
• 2:44:19
  God created the spiritual world, and the physical world, how's
• 2:44:22
  the physical world in the Christian worldview any
• 2:44:25
  different than what you're saying?
• 2:44:28
  I suppose that our views could someone smashed except that?
• 2:44:31
  I think that my for lack of a better word.
• 2:44:35
  It creates it to the simulation were in where I would have to
• 2:44:38
  say that in order to incorporate Christian Theology and make it
• 2:44:41
  compatible. When God was talking about
• 2:44:43
  treating Universe got to be talking about treating, the base
• 2:44:45
  Universe for that to be true. You start modern terminology
• 2:44:54
  integration. Got you, thanks.
• 2:45:09
  I also have a question for this would apply to nitty and Rex.
• 2:45:15
  It's pertaining to Miracles. Are you guys open to that?
• 2:45:18
  It's more of just a curiosity question.
• 2:45:23
  So for me being a Believer miracles in the scriptures, like
• 2:45:28
  Moses parting the Red Sea. All of them to me that's just a
• 2:45:33
  Tuesday. I mean it's a miracle.
• 2:45:35
  It's it's wow, it's great but it's very believable.
• 2:45:37
  I don't doubt it at all to. You guys being Skeptics or an
• 2:45:41
  unbeliever Saint, our faith. How unreasonable to those
• 2:45:47
  Miracle seem to you guys. Rexy first.
• 2:45:51
  I would say a God exist are not unreasonable that since I have
• 2:45:55
  never seen a miracle and I don't believe that you would have two
• 2:45:57
  things are likely. They do not seem plausible to
• 2:46:00
  me. May I may I get on the Rex just
• 2:46:06
  a little bit Rex, wouldn't you consider it at least to find is
• 2:46:10
  a miracle what you experienced. So I mean you said that you
• 2:46:13
  literally got taken out of this form of reality we're on a
• 2:46:17
  spaceship with that's having a nine and all that and you don't
• 2:46:21
  see that as could be defined as miraculous.
• 2:46:24
  I'm in the sense that it defies the laws of physics now, All
• 2:46:30
  right, fair enough anymore, questions.
• 2:46:32
  Proverbs you always get some good ones.
• 2:46:33
  Is that like a? What's that quote, like a
• 2:46:37
  technology sophisticated enough is indiscernible?
• 2:46:40
  Is that Isaac a small or something is indiscernible from
• 2:46:44
  Magic? So like like, you know I'm
• 2:46:47
  saying like technology of the gaps or wrecks basically but
• 2:46:51
  like maybe there is like some kind of essence teleportation
• 2:46:56
  that works in that sense for that experience, right?
• 2:47:01
  So like I said, my third favorite Australia, Remember,
• 2:47:12
  Steve Irwin when he died. And what did he say that?
• 2:47:22
  There was like, I mean, you believe in a simulation in a
• 2:47:24
  base reality, but within the simulation, it's not just like a
• 2:47:29
  program. You believe that the goddess
• 2:47:31
  literally changed the programming.
• 2:47:33
  An intervened on your behalf is that correct?
• 2:47:38
  Yes or no, I believe probably might an ultra situated, a
• 2:47:42
  minute, what it means, but nothing that would violate our
• 2:47:44
  natural law. So I think that I'm probably
• 2:47:46
  been scanned happened, repeatedly in such a way that
• 2:47:48
  they're very unlikely. But again, I don't think that.
• 2:47:50
  My God is willing or capable of violating the natural laws.
• 2:47:54
  Okay. How do you tell life remote
• 2:48:02
  probability from Intervention in buy something that can't be
• 2:48:08
  detected? I suppose it is under
• 2:48:11
  administrative and I cannot Amelia throw another one at you.
• 2:48:21
  Right? That you believe that there's
• 2:48:22
  many different simulations. Not just the one that you exist
• 2:48:26
  them, do the other simulations work under different laws.
• 2:48:30
  Not privy to all of them but yes, they are modeled for
• 2:48:36
  various reasons. I did not like I said that there
• 2:48:39
  would be so many in my belief that it is unlikely for me to
• 2:48:43
  know the reasons they cuss. All right.
• 2:48:46
  Good. One of these simulations be
• 2:48:48
  completely different than the one you're in.
• 2:48:50
  I mean, completely acts different light behaves
• 2:48:53
  differently. Logically impossible.
• 2:49:00
  All right. That's what about you, mark.
• 2:49:03
  You got some questions, you have a sweetheart and some other good
• 2:49:05
  stuff. Yeah, so really I have some
• 2:49:11
  questions about methodology if it's a viable on, its site, B
• 2:49:15
  position. How, how do you, how do you
• 2:49:19
  distinguish? What that place that fighting?
• 2:49:22
  Because obviously, like, I understand that these guys, that
• 2:49:26
  got some books and do something tangible to say, hey, I'm going
• 2:49:29
  to place my faith in that. I don't like to wait.
• 2:49:33
  Where did this idea come from? Warrants in the face in the
• 2:49:39
  first place. Like we waited the idea so to
• 2:49:42
  conceptualize from Iraq's, your microphone is doing that funky
• 2:49:47
  thing again, brother like that. Dealers, your mic was working
• 2:49:58
  great, and then you decide to go Rocky Balboa.
• 2:50:00
  And that, I hope you can fix that cuz I'd love to have a
• 2:50:03
  conversation with you. Another interesting question for
• 2:50:08
  Mark and nitty. Is there a miracle?
• 2:50:13
  That is a big enough that would make you guys accept that no
• 2:50:19
  matter which God is real. That there is a God What, what
• 2:50:24
  do you think would be a big enough miracle for both of you?
• 2:50:27
  I think, I think something like that.
• 2:50:29
  Like, re-chroming a limb or, or if somebody died and I divert
• 2:50:41
  were completely documented, his dead kind of thing.
• 2:50:45
  And I thought, that what we had reliable and rigorous
• 2:50:49
  investigation of them and I regrow their house or something.
• 2:50:52
  What did I say something? Good in Supernatural.
• 2:50:55
  Disappearance of her, or a tumor.
• 2:50:59
  Bolt. The problem is cancer
• 2:51:00
  disappears, goes into remission by itself.
• 2:51:03
  Very rare these things where people heal themselves off of
• 2:51:13
  Chambers and stuff, the body does have the mechanisms to be
• 2:51:18
  able to fight these things. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:51:23
  And then completely rid it like overnight.
• 2:51:26
  I'm talking about like a 24-hour.
• 2:51:28
  Because I switch to my quality microphone.
• 2:51:36
  My crappy heads up. Real quick.
• 2:51:40
  With the question you throughout their Proverbs, I'd like to ask
• 2:51:43
  Mark about this, get more in-depth than what you talking
• 2:51:47
  about. Your problem is, but, you know,
• 2:51:48
  and I've heard this, this conversation from some
• 2:51:52
  non-believers, where they say, amputees, if we could see
• 2:51:55
  somebody like throwing arm or legs, but isn't What you already
• 2:51:59
  Believe by Chris subscribing to Evolution that people got a
• 2:52:04
  comical structures and let him know all this.
• 2:52:06
  In the first place about evolution is the deal with your
• 2:52:12
  basically. You're not real robbing them,
• 2:52:15
  you are, you are changing the physiology of something.
• 2:52:18
  With the morphology, I should say about something over
• 2:52:21
  successive Generations, which is a completely different kettle of
• 2:52:27
  fish than one person. Ray Browning, I lived in that
• 2:52:31
  has been cut off. So I think that analogy
• 2:52:34
  completely FiOS because somebody's having a limb cut off
• 2:52:39
  the wall, or, you know, I'd a dog getting toll road or bigger
• 2:52:44
  through the course of evolution isn't isn't remotely in the same
• 2:52:48
  ballpark. To be fair, though, Mark, I have
• 2:52:51
  to be honest with you. One of the things you're asking
• 2:52:55
  for to be shown to you, as a miracle is an Ex human
• 2:52:59
  Revolution. I mean growing a regeneration is
• 2:53:07
  it will not regenerate like for instance, some lizards
• 2:53:14
  regenerate body parts, kind of things that you can cut off by
• 2:53:19
  Limonite regeneration final one regenerates Broadchurch.
• 2:53:23
  It basically if you try to Planet one in two sections it
• 2:53:28
  will regenerate the entire worm out of each section.
• 2:53:32
  Kind of think that is regeneration.
• 2:53:34
  What you're describing is simply changes in body morphology
• 2:53:38
  through evolutionary process or even multiple Generations.
• 2:53:42
  I don't even see how they're in even the same bull pop because
• 2:53:46
  there's nothing miraculous about Evolution.
• 2:53:48
  There's something miraculous about a human with nerve
• 2:53:53
  regeneration, What to eat rate drawings?
• 2:53:56
  I would definitely constitute rapid rapid evolution.
• 2:54:03
  Call Expedia, Travel know it. If you possess the same DNA
• 2:54:09
  inorganic material as before and you're just extenuating that out
• 2:54:14
  to the same information as the armed.
• 2:54:16
  They had before, that's not Evolution.
• 2:54:18
  The three generation Mark. Reid pointed out two things that
• 2:54:22
  he'd be interested in seeing even classified at 1.
• 2:54:25
  He wants to. There has to be some kind of
• 2:54:28
  Resurrection type of concept, but hasn't there been an Atheist
• 2:54:32
  as well as religious people who claim to have been officially
• 2:54:35
  dead and then they got off the table.
• 2:54:37
  So we've got that and then on top of it, if we go with the
• 2:54:42
  evolution stamps, I know you don't like this, but you do
• 2:54:45
  believe that your ancestors grew limbs even though it took a long
• 2:54:49
  time, you still believe it happen.
• 2:54:52
  Well, like I said unto, the first thing, it's it's that
• 2:54:54
  people have been pronounced dead in Arabic for a nut that hardly
• 2:54:58
  counts. People have been dead as in the
• 2:55:02
  heart stopped. And not hardly count say that
• 2:55:04
  because that's not necessary pay.
• 2:55:06
  What hasn't happened to somebody?
• 2:55:07
  That is actually brain dead and it hasn't been a miracle, which
• 2:55:11
  is sort of brought these back to say, the thing I missed
• 2:55:13
  diagnosis of them, paying you? No brain dead when they haven't
• 2:55:17
  been or it's been sort of medical technology, bring the
• 2:55:21
  back from the brink of death. So I think they're completely
• 2:55:24
  wrong on that one. And if that were true, everybody
• 2:55:27
  that's been pronounced dead on the operating table, It is not
• 2:55:32
  been alive, then it's a rising from the dead becomes.
• 2:55:36
  Really a man dying thing, doesn't it?
• 2:55:37
  It's just not true, not true. Cyst in the first and second
• 2:55:42
  evolution still like it evolution is the change in
• 2:55:47
  allele frequency or the change of heritable.
• 2:55:49
  Traits are the multiple Generations survey drawing a
• 2:55:52
  limb, literally cannot be Evolution because it does not
• 2:55:57
  fit. Even the most basic definition
• 2:55:59
  of it. So, if you do one last thing for
• 2:56:03
  you Mark and I know that you are you put a lot of lot of what
• 2:56:07
  would be the word. I'd hate to say faith on you cuz
• 2:56:10
  I don't get too wound up but you you believe in that the great
• 2:56:14
  technology of science do you believe that there will be a day
• 2:56:18
  where science will be able to fiddle around with our genetics
• 2:56:21
  and actually make what you talked about possible.
• 2:56:24
  Probably possibly, I don't know, maybe it won't be.
• 2:56:27
  Maybe that is, that is beyond the realm of, of, of technology.
• 2:56:32
  I honestly don't know at the moment that we know, you do
• 2:56:37
  that. Like, that is something that is
• 2:56:39
  outside of outrage, possibly, that's pure speculation.
• 2:56:45
  Whether could on NAS, I think that even if we could like the
• 2:56:50
  amount going to be in the future with told me that so some
• 2:56:52
  far-flung science fiction kind of thing, but I did have a
• 2:56:57
  question to you if you indulge me.
• 2:57:00
  Wait, hold on Mark, can I reiterate my initials, what I
• 2:57:04
  find acceptable as like, social try to Private Dancer.
• 2:57:12
  But if anyone else did ditch listening is curious, I have an
• 2:57:16
  answer similar to Pieology, is sure everything, Mark, list, it.
• 2:57:21
  Okay, if we had these verifiable miraculous Things that have no
• 2:57:25
  grounding in Pryor reality or experience.
• 2:57:29
  And we witnessed it and verify it and it's like, holy crap.
• 2:57:33
  Like it. We attribute it to the
• 2:57:35
  Christian. God damn, you know, settled
• 2:57:38
  right now I am I adding another thing that I would find
• 2:57:43
  generally acceptable now and I also gave it a caveat so that it
• 2:57:47
  doesn't make me inconsistent with what I said before.
• 2:57:51
  So, there are like, unfalsifiable personal
• 2:57:56
  experiences that are solely related to personal mental,
• 2:58:00
  mental States and not like verifiable to anyone else,
• 2:58:04
  right? And that's generally the thing
• 2:58:06
  that I Stray away from is an acceptable piece of evidence.
• 2:58:09
  However, if God gives me some like piece of knowledge that I
• 2:58:15
  have no opriri business knowing like that will require like
• 2:58:19
  years of intensive study or are or education or Experience in
• 2:58:25
  like a particular expertise field, right?
• 2:58:29
  Like tomorrow, like I'm just a master Tradesman and something
• 2:58:34
  that I've never touched a year now.
• 2:58:36
  And I believe you, you have a semi honest face.
• 2:58:40
  I'm kidding. You look on it.
• 2:58:41
  You're telling me that if you woke up tomorrow morning and you
• 2:58:45
  could play Beethoven on the piano.
• 2:58:47
  Perfect. Yeah if I prayed and got that
• 2:58:53
  skill, just the neck of a tribute to things like, you
• 2:59:02
  know, some ridiculous, mathematical proof some, you
• 2:59:05
  know equation for light speed or like you know what I mean?
• 2:59:10
  Or something you had stays the goddamn world type of the world.
• 2:59:24
  It happens that a good answer though.
• 2:59:30
  I think it's good, but I want to ask you something having to do
• 2:59:35
  with the Beethoven. Why do you think it is that
• 2:59:37
  there's a group of people out there who seem to be
• 2:59:40
  extraordinary capable of doing Beethoven capable of doing the
• 2:59:45
  kind of things they are, but others cannot no matter how
• 2:59:48
  seemingly hard they try and practice when I draw people's
• 2:59:54
  faces, they look like, monkeys are like what, you know, 7th
• 2:59:59
  graders draw. I would just so those are two
• 3:00:04
  different questions, right? Like I'm saying that these would
• 3:00:08
  be like spontaneously generative skills or knowledge that we have
• 3:00:13
  no precedent in Human Experience, right?
• 3:00:16
  But you're describing something that of a savant, right?
• 3:00:21
  Someone with limited interaction but then Progressive steel
• 3:00:26
  building, that allows them to perform with extraordinary
• 3:00:30
  talent. I mean, and that's great.
• 3:00:35
  But you know, Where was I going with that opinion?
• 3:00:45
  Or at least what you're at? What you've got the knowledge on
• 3:00:48
  this. Why is it that somebody could
• 3:00:51
  pick up a guitar and almost within months be a prodigy but
• 3:00:56
  someone has been doing it all their life.
• 3:00:57
  They eat. We can't even come close.
• 3:00:59
  Why do you think that is? I mean people have different
• 3:01:01
  reflex muscles. He's a developer has of
• 3:01:06
  developing certain neural connections to their muscles.
• 3:01:09
  Like my hand. Eye coordination is terrible so
• 3:01:11
  I can't play a single sport except for, maybe DJing
• 3:01:15
  something if you want to consider that a sport.
• 3:01:17
  So like, and no matter how hard I try, I can't develop that.
• 3:01:22
  However, like, someone in my same age group, like, was
• 3:01:25
  fantastic. Like, you know, tennis or
• 3:01:28
  basketball and because they ate, they just have those coordinator
• 3:01:32
  skills that they sure it might not have taken them long, but
• 3:01:36
  they still had to refine those skills because they're their
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  brain and their body correspond to doing that behavior, much
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  better than other humans. Like myself.
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  Will be better than them and other things.
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  Maybe we'll have an ability to unite put together.
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  Scientific stuff, Vector programming.
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  Yeah, we have a varied sort of neural network, you know, mines,
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  Ryan's really. And I'm depending on how how the
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  brain forms and a lot of things that come to it, will generate
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  what feel good. I feel bad.
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  That's a good thing to you Monday.
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  It's good to have diversity of extortion, is similar to.
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  How does a Corvette solve a puzzle without without they can
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  solve puzzles without prior instructions to fold up
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  programming? I am, that's my job.
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  Maybe do you? Oh, I know this is going to be
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  kind of a goofy question on you, but do you believe that
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  programming could do itself without yours?
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  And for another developer, do you mean like with a?
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  I I just anything like that, even an AI seems to require some
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  kind of development committee. Do you believe that if the you
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  were to watch a bunch of information on the screen and
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  waited a long time sooner or later become coherent on the
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  town? I know I knew where this is
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  goes, the tornado in the junkyard was as different words.
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  Well, you're a programmer, so it makes sense to bring in some
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  programming. Sure.
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  And in that category of things generally know, I would say that
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  that's not what I would consider possible first time, All right,
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  have a system where things that went card were moved to
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  intensive work, harder than you had a system to generating just
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  a bunch of random stuff on the strain then eventually it would
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  turn into curd. It would be absurdly large
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  amount of time. I me we'd all be super, super
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  dad. But have you ever observe
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  something like that happen enough random code, that it just
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  becomes somehow go here? No course not because you'd have
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  to run either. You need processing power that
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  does like calculations and generations like Adam you don't
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  we do have that. By the way that can do like a
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  million operations in a second, but you'd have to run that thing
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  for like longer than I can live and everything you just
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  mentioned from the system and the overlays in the processors.
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  This would have all had to be developed as well, right?
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  Sure, when I'm just curious just curious how you view that bite,
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  mark. You were going to ask Brett
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  something. I hope you didn't forget it.
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  So what I want to know is whether I God wants me to
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  believe that they exist. You're wanting to know if God
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  wants you to believe. Yeah.
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  Does any God wants me to delete that they exist?
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  Well, I'm pretty sure that God does and I understand that your
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  next question to be. Why doesn't God show me
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  something? Why doesn't God do that?
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  Maybe God is waiting for the right time for you and when
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  you're ready, it feels like we've seen each other's battle
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  plans. Well, maybe that's one reason
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  why you visit these rooms a lot because you're going to get
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  something sooner or later it just it just it's weird that
• 3:05:35
  wants me to AAA the tastiest just seem to do so that they
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  they seem to be limited oil for a failing in that thing I want
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  to do when Soda powder body in some sort of evidence that would
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  convince me would be a mere triviality for stabbing, as
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  powerful as a God. So, I don't know, I'm just
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  saying that line of thinking was just let me finish.
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  I don't understand that line of thinking that you've got such a
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  powerful pain. But once something, but they do
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  not make that happen even though it would pay a triviality to do.
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  So, but yeah, maybe Isn't isn't that the burden to pay on the
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  person that wants to convince you of something?
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  To convince you I will stay on May to lower back.
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  I wouldn't say that that's the biblical model.
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  I think that there is an aspect of you got to want to give got a
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  chance Morrow. Possibly another answer.
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  Which I mean. It's just that I haven't seen
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  anything. That would be a convincing
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  answer to serve people come with anecdotes, which is so
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  unreliable evidence. They come with some of these
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  stories which is on the lab 11 tonight.
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  Come with like what you are at the moment page on just lower
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  your standards of evidence to include.
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  This goes for you but it might not be accepted nobody but it
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  would. I don't think I don't know if
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  anybody in here would agree with it.
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  But it is a question which is God doesn't want everybody to
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  know that he is. He reveals to the Holy Spirit.
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  To see him and everybody else, they don't have that.
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  Revelation. So that's well, I have to make a
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  disclaimer cuz it is my channel. I disagree with serving and
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  Christian Pike, Freewill guy. We're not going to get into that
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  debate, but I had to make the display.
• 3:08:24
  Can I buy display Mireles boat by the timers on both?
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  Let me guess, what? Your disclaimer is Christian.
• 3:08:32
  Your disclaimers going to be. I'm Christian Pike, and I
• 3:08:35
  believe it cuz it's in the Bible, right?
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  I just am. I far off.
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  But I do want to quickly point out that, that sort of the
• 3:08:49
  original question was, does God want me to believe?
• 3:08:51
  Sorry, this is this question. Yeah, it is.
• 3:08:54
  Bicycle, you give gifts or counted the first question that
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  he doesn't want me to believe. Right.
• 3:09:02
  That's what you was asking. There's an answer to that mean.
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  I'd like to ask my question now, Mark and then I'll let you go
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  right stuff. You said earlier that you gave
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  you gave got an honest try. And I believe you.
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  You said, you would you charge to try to have a relationship?
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  You tried to see him and you said, you were afraid.
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  When did you pray like, was it a times of great sorrow or stress?
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  Or was it just at lunch when you're trying to be reverent?
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  I, I, I think I was sort of talking to somebody who was a
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  bit late and I sort of said hi to you, this kind of thing.
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  I'm so I don't think it was a time of great stress, but it
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  definitely was a honest. So, do you know what temp to get
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  in contact with anything out there?
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  That might help me? I guess I was a bit stressed out
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  of territory. Okay. but you didn't ever try
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  praying and seeking him, like, when you were at a real time of
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  distress, You know, I don't lie at low.
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  I don't think so I know and that's a shame mark because I
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  promise you, that's probably where you're going to find him
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  when you're really low and you cry out to him.
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  He's going to answer you on such a mighty way man.
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  Well, I mean I guess the problem is that when you're still
• 3:10:36
  talking about that it it's wet when you'll always at a time
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  when you're very, very vulnerable to being convinced of
• 3:10:44
  things. I'm a 9 might not necessarily be
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  true if it's white, you know, psychics try on people.
• 3:10:51
  That have recently, lost loved ones and things, it's very easy
• 3:10:54
  to trick people. When when you're the other, you
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  not really down point in your life.
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  Right, right? I don't see why that should be
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  necessary, what reason would that be necessary?
• 3:11:09
  If a God wants me to believe, what exactly what you do.
• 3:11:14
  If you don't mind me asking, let's say tonight, you were to
• 3:11:18
  pray and God would come to you in some kind of manifestation or
• 3:11:22
  speak to you. And the instruct you on what it
• 3:11:25
  is, he wants for your life. How do you feel that this would
• 3:11:28
  change your life? What do you think of Mark would
• 3:11:31
  be like, going from here on out? I don't know why.
• 3:11:37
  I think I would probably stop being an idea strike.
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  I mean if that if that actually happened I would David sent me
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  stop being an atheist. The good answer.
• 3:11:49
  I'm not sure if my behavior cuz I would change a lot.
• 3:11:55
  Unless, you know, there was something that was specifically
• 3:11:57
  pointed out that I'm doing wrong in some way.
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  I don't think there's a lot of morals, that, that I would have
• 3:12:05
  Christians wouldn't kind of things, you know.
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  So I don't really see it. What I would believe would
• 3:12:15
  change but not necessarily my lifestyle or anything like that
• 3:12:18
  already, you feel that you do morally good in your life and
• 3:12:23
  you're a charitable person and kind and all this.
• 3:12:27
  I mean, I try my best today. I know you care about other
• 3:12:33
  people. I am a secular humanist, so I do
• 3:12:37
  take care about people. So you so you having Charities,
• 3:12:40
  definitely taught that because people have been child support
• 3:12:48
  to me in the past Hyatt forward mentality.
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  So yeah, things are important. So you believe in human rights
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  Human rights. Yeah yeah, I believe in the
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  rights to humans. Yes.
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  Bullets, because I think that humans have in my moral
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  worldview. Well, you're W.
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  The W has a higher closer to you than watches.
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  Brought the question is your electrical circular circular
• 3:13:46
  reasoning? I'm saying, wow.
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  I know. And it's it's because I choose
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  to it's because the the situation that we find ourselves
• 3:14:06
  in at the moment, it is that we are sort of one planet and one
• 3:14:12
  species. It it could be that high.
• 3:14:17
  If I decide that high, I'm I'm just going to prioritize white
• 3:14:20
  people above all others and just do whatever is best for them,
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  right? Did the problem comes up that
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  sample to myself? The planets Humana, harmful to
• 3:14:34
  everything. It's not even good for you.
• 3:14:37
  No one moment, they're like an animals rights, it's going to be
• 3:14:46
  incredibly detrimental to everybody concerned.
• 3:14:49
  If we fragments have pies out species like that, it's just not
• 3:14:53
  good. May I ask you something any time
• 3:14:58
  I talk to you but always come off sincere, you've always been
• 3:15:02
  respectful, you're a decent guy as far as my perspective sees
• 3:15:05
  it. Why do you think it is that
• 3:15:07
  you're not a nihilistic atheist? You're you're very humanist,
• 3:15:12
  you're very, it's about helping Humanity.
• 3:15:14
  We need this drive and work together, type of attitude, why
• 3:15:19
  didn't you go for nihilism for Why didn't I catch the London
• 3:15:24
  nihilism? I don't know why.
• 3:15:27
  I don't know any ideas to the nihilists.
• 3:15:30
  Most Isis care about the people around them, but a great deal.
• 3:15:37
  I don't know where this idea, Marcus.
• 3:15:44
  I mean I'm not saying you're not a Mark, you are very different.
• 3:15:48
  You are very different than some of the Monopoly.
• 3:15:50
  Know, the way you speak of wanting to help people.
• 3:15:55
  And Mark, do you see yourself as someone who is anti-theist a
• 3:16:00
  car? Could you be friends with a
• 3:16:01
  religious person who I thought we were friends?
• 3:16:09
  Mark, I think that auntie auntie religion.
• 3:16:15
  I think religion does sometime. I also think it was some good
• 3:16:20
  things. I would I would I want to
• 3:16:24
  capture this very carefully. So I think that some religions
• 3:16:27
  that the ham out, why so good in a large why I think that
• 3:16:33
  religion has had a special place in a society for so long but it
• 3:16:38
  It's upsetting to some people and I'm I apologize if this
• 3:16:41
  upsets you that they don't have a Special place anymore, but I
• 3:16:44
  think that religion needs to be like any other organization out
• 3:16:47
  there all comparable interest but I'm not interested in seeing
• 3:16:51
  how we got to stamp it out or anything like that.
• 3:16:57
  But it doesn't matter, as well. And I say the harm and it
• 3:17:01
  concerns me. I think that the difference is
• 3:17:08
  that I wasn't raised in religion thing that I'm getting that
• 3:17:19
  markets yesterday had discussions with they don't see
• 3:17:24
  any value or meaning and things. And they basically have it set
• 3:17:28
  where I've had a couple ideas to my room where I asked him what
• 3:17:32
  they sacrifice your life to save the child.
• 3:17:34
  And they said, no, if it's not genetically related to me, I'm
• 3:17:38
  not giving my life up to save his child, and then he kind of
• 3:17:41
  scenario. But Mark, everytime, I talk to
• 3:17:44
  you. You've always talked about
• 3:17:45
  positive ways that you want Humanity, that fit together.
• 3:17:48
  You feel like there's all kind of form of Justice going on, and
• 3:17:53
  it needs to be done but humanity.
• 3:17:55
  And that's the big difference between you and some of the
• 3:17:58
  non-believers had talked to you. And I'm just curious how you
• 3:18:00
  came to this way of thinking, I don't know.
• 3:18:07
  I don't know. I just, you know, I am on the
• 3:18:17
  autism spectrum so I don't think exactly the same as a typical
• 3:18:21
  person maybe that's it maybe it's coupled with with my
• 3:18:25
  upbringing might get some Australian cultural thing.
• 3:18:29
  There is a lot of of solidarity in Australia are all makes and
• 3:18:36
  we'll try to get along through the best Beach entry.
• 3:18:38
  I'm looking out for each other is a culture might my fellow.
• 3:18:51
  I see is some yes buddy, he's amazing.
• 3:19:05
  There's some other people that are amazing.
• 3:19:07
  I mean Youmans. Amazing, awesome.
• 3:19:10
  She she has weathered storms and arrow.
• 3:19:15
  Is a no kind of nasty stuff and she still wishes people live in
• 3:19:19
  the best for them. I I I actually admire her but
• 3:19:24
  being able to go to love the people that I hate you on her.
• 3:19:27
  So you know, a lot of this stuff is I I run into these people so
• 3:19:32
  I let you know, I'm really sorry but I can't I can't agree with.
• 3:19:36
  You know, everybody else is a nihilist because I I know that's
• 3:19:39
  just not free night, you know? I'm not saying all of them are
• 3:19:42
  nihilistic. I just noticed that is one of
• 3:19:45
  the viewpoints are protists. There's a lot of a piece of
• 3:19:48
  method are very nice and very chilling.
• 3:19:50
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do want to point out guys, that Rex was
• 3:19:56
  promised a question about 10 minutes ago, Adam or on muted
• 3:20:00
  and then eventually muted again about five minutes ago, and P
• 3:20:04
  Town hasn't been able to get a word in in about 35 minutes.
• 3:20:09
  Sorry, Adam just say, shut your mouth rent, check them out.
• 3:20:12
  So I guess, Adam p-town. So Rex, what do you have first?
• 3:20:21
  I don't mind waiting because I am enjoying listening to
• 3:20:24
  conversation, but my question was to use, Steven, it seems
• 3:20:26
  like you think that job right now is my staying or is it God
• 3:20:34
  coming into my heart? What, what part of that do I
• 3:20:36
  have control over? Do you want my honest opinion?
• 3:20:38
  Yes. Don't do a darn thing to save
• 3:20:44
  your soul. It's a relationship with Jesus
• 3:20:46
  Christ. Who initiates the contact Soul
• 3:20:49
  by state that relationship cannot what point is, God
• 3:20:52
  responsible? Or will God initiate at any
• 3:20:55
  point, will my seeking change the nature of the relationship
• 3:20:57
  to be mutual Wait, hold up, come again.
• 3:21:01
  So why continue to see God? Let you know.
• 3:21:03
  I saw God for over 20 years and never was in a mutual
• 3:21:07
  relationship. Never was anyone in that
• 3:21:09
  relationship. But me so at what point does
• 3:21:12
  assumed at some point you think God is responsible or able to
• 3:21:16
  make that and use your relationship, right?
• 3:21:17
  Can I ask you a question though? Some type of disorder, right?
• 3:21:24
  That causes you to, I don't want to say motionless cuz that's not
• 3:21:28
  accurate. If you put words in your mouth,
• 3:21:30
  you get very emotional psychiatrist and I told her yes,
• 3:21:38
  so, I cannot experience, most human emotions normally, and
• 3:21:43
  those personal experiences that we talked about, how often you
• 3:21:50
  guys, would describe his emotional experiences, which I
• 3:21:53
  say, okay, if I'm fine with that.
• 3:21:55
  Is it possible that that's why you weren't able to feel that
• 3:21:59
  spark? You were looking for because of
• 3:22:01
  the condition you have. Like I can't reveal that to like
• 3:22:08
  where the Bible talks about God, making vessels for Glory and
• 3:22:11
  vessels for rap. You know, I simply cannot feel
• 3:22:15
  peace, that passes understanding, I can't feel
• 3:22:16
  peace at all. So if I need that to experience
• 3:22:20
  the god of the Bible, then I was born in such a way that I could
• 3:22:23
  never experience the god of the Bible.
• 3:22:27
  I would say that if you had continued being faithful, even
• 3:22:32
  though you felt a lack of that relationship back eventually, he
• 3:22:38
  would have manifested to you and even if he did, and I believe
• 3:22:41
  you still would have been redeemed, wrecks.
• 3:22:45
  But that would have been by my work's, not by the hand of God,
• 3:22:47
  right now, I'm in a lot of people, I lived the best I
• 3:22:50
  could, but ultimately I never felt God, I just did with the
• 3:22:54
  Bible. Told they ought to do and I try
• 3:22:56
  to live my life in accordance to a century, the rules to never
• 3:22:59
  hated it loving me. Nothing and will be time to talk
• 3:23:03
  about crying out to God. And I got a very hard life.
• 3:23:08
  So I cried out to God it many, many very low points and still
• 3:23:13
  went unanswered. I know mad and that makes me
• 3:23:19
  really sad if I can level with you, I don't think we got to be
• 3:23:23
  careful and we're talking like this, because we're getting them
• 3:23:29
  to, like the nollie's and all this.
• 3:23:30
  It's very possible that Rex next month, might be able to have
• 3:23:35
  some kind of experience or something happened, and he could
• 3:23:38
  end up being one of the, you know, greatest person that ever
• 3:23:42
  existed, one of the best speakers on this matter.
• 3:23:48
  I never thought in a long time that Adam was going to become
• 3:23:54
  Fiesta car. Even go towards that direction.
• 3:23:57
  So we need to try not to be so finalized.
• 3:24:02
  If you would have met me several years ago, Proverbs you would
• 3:24:05
  have said that dude is on his way to Hell Bound, but you would
• 3:24:09
  have figured. So he asked me, he did ask me
• 3:24:14
  the question though, and I was trying to be as honest with him
• 3:24:16
  is I could even though it was awkward.
• 3:24:18
  I know, I know you differ from predestination because I assumed
• 3:24:26
  at some point you think God has to move on the heart of the
• 3:24:29
  unbeliever for going to be a meaningful change.
• 3:24:31
  And I don't understand where that is not the sort of a
• 3:24:34
  predestination I guess I that was really my question.
• 3:24:39
  Yeah, I can't answer that because I can't confirm whether
• 3:24:42
  or not you have the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is really
• 3:24:46
  that That telephone purse, a b able to connect you to God like
• 3:24:52
  that and and I'm not sure maybe your condition prevented you
• 3:24:56
  from feeling acts of the Holy Spirit.
• 3:24:58
  I can't say for sure I'm guessing.
• 3:25:03
  Add, what did you have for us earlier when Mark was talking
• 3:25:08
  about or someone had asked Mark like what would change your mind
• 3:25:11
  or some like that had something to finish here?
• 3:25:13
  I'm in a kind of its kind of come back around to that same
• 3:25:16
  topic is that I think, Mark, I don't know if you're seeking out
• 3:25:20
  a belief in God necessarily but I I would just share that
• 3:25:24
  recently the past kind of 23 weeks I went from, on July 23rd,
• 3:25:30
  in his room, saying there's nothing you guys are ever going
• 3:25:33
  to say that will convince me to the next to the next day.
• 3:25:37
  I stop being an atheist from something that happened so I
• 3:25:42
  think that if you were to change your believe if and I I wasn't
• 3:25:45
  seeking out. Either, I was not actively
• 3:25:47
  trying to figure out, you know, I wasn't trying to become a I
• 3:25:51
  just I didn't think that I was going to change my mind ever but
• 3:25:56
  so I will just stay like to share my experience.
• 3:25:59
  I think Mark, if you were to change your beliefs, I think it
• 3:26:02
  would likely come in a way that was like, From a different angle
• 3:26:07
  than what you were expecting. Like, in other words, the stuff
• 3:26:10
  that I confidently said, you guys will never change my mind
• 3:26:13
  on this. I still didn't change my mind on
• 3:26:15
  it, but something else I saw it from a different angle, where I,
• 3:26:18
  some of my experiences with with what I know identify as the Holy
• 3:26:22
  Spirit which is God I do believe in.
• 3:26:25
  So like I confidently. Believe like you guys are going
• 3:26:28
  to convince me that there was a beginning in the Creator and a
• 3:26:32
  Noah's Ark and all that stuff. I still pretty confidently feel
• 3:26:36
  that way, but But I think that part of it for me was like,
• 3:26:43
  there's a lot of stuff where, if you're an intelligent person,
• 3:26:46
  you're rational your critical thinking, use a lot of logic.
• 3:26:49
  There's certain things that are spiritual that it's not that
• 3:26:53
  they defy logic or that they contradict logic, but it's just
• 3:26:56
  sort of outside at there's, there's things that are true
• 3:26:58
  that you don't necessarily arrived at the conclusion,
• 3:27:01
  through logic, Rex had a personal experience, that's why
• 3:27:06
  he believes in this goddess thing.
• 3:27:07
  He experienced this thing. Very profoundly I've had
• 3:27:11
  experiences in my life that don't make sense without a
• 3:27:15
  belief in God. So I think that and again, work,
• 3:27:20
  I don't know that you're even thinking out a God, believe or
• 3:27:23
  whether you are or not. But I just kind of would predict
• 3:27:25
  that. If at some point you did change
• 3:27:27
  your mind, it would probably be In a way that was unexpected
• 3:27:32
  rather than the things that you're probably pretty
• 3:27:35
  confident. And right about the things that
• 3:27:38
  are just straight-up, there's no six thousand years Earth, you
• 3:27:42
  know, that you're not going to change your mind. 3D disagree
• 3:27:45
  that slate Beyond, not to be anyone.
• 3:27:51
  But anyways. Felt very pointed to me, Adam at
• 3:27:56
  all. I would show you on the doll
• 3:27:58
  where I felt violated anything personal to anyone.
• 3:28:01
  But the methodologies that that we used to tell whether
• 3:28:07
  something is true or not, true is based upon rationality.
• 3:28:11
  And so, if you're sort of saying, hey, it's some some
• 3:28:14
  information, you think so, to arrive at 3 rational process, I
• 3:28:19
  would absolutely be ready but by definition that is irrational.
• 3:28:23
  So, when I talkin about the most reliable way, How to find out if
• 3:28:30
  something is true, if you also sample some things, you've got
• 3:28:34
  to be a rational to believe in. Then I don't know why you would
• 3:28:40
  sort of, do you like when we know is that irrational?
• 3:28:43
  Thoughts late to generally things that I'm not feeling the
• 3:28:47
  slightest. So the methodologies that I used
• 3:28:53
  to examine what's true and what's not true, it has to take
• 3:28:57
  into account that I thought I am up a fallible human being that I
• 3:29:01
  do have confirmation by Steven. In my ID is in my do my to
• 3:29:05
  review, whether I am using confirmation bias to say, I'm
• 3:29:09
  I'm going to let you know, I've been an idea store or just say I
• 3:29:13
  run an idea channel. So therefore it's in my best
• 3:29:15
  interests to be an idea. Is that really what I'm thinking
• 3:29:19
  is that really what? But it's going through my head,
• 3:29:21
  I do a challenge that all the time because we all have icees.
• 3:29:25
  So when you're sort of and rationality, is it suppose,
• 3:29:29
  Eliminate those biases supposed to go, well, if I want to be
• 3:29:33
  rational, I've got to take this with an open mind, and not try
• 3:29:37
  to lead it in any direction, not based on emotion, not based on a
• 3:29:42
  consequence. Like, what I want to be true and
• 3:29:45
  things like that because that is where the bias will will
• 3:29:48
  absolutely guide you down that pop.
• 3:29:50
  If you want something to be sure you're going to find it to be
• 3:29:53
  true. So far, it's just to me what you
• 3:30:05
  basically said. His will in order to find this
• 3:30:08
  out, you've got to be irrational.
• 3:30:09
  And that, that isn't something that I can do.
• 3:30:12
  I can't stable. I'm going to act irrationally to
• 3:30:18
  find out if this is true or not, because those three statements
• 3:30:21
  one doesn't lead to the other if I didn't say what you said but I
• 3:30:26
  can see why you would take it that way.
• 3:30:28
  But let me, let me ask you. This is there anyone in your
• 3:30:32
  life that you love? Oh yeah I love my wife.
• 3:30:35
  Yeah that's what you love your wife.
• 3:30:37
  Okay. Can you prove that logically and
• 3:30:39
  rationally or is it kind of outside of the realm of Hope?
• 3:30:42
  You can tell him how would you prove that?
• 3:30:46
  I'm alive. I've got a very strong
• 3:30:48
  relationship with their. We do a lot of things that they
• 3:30:51
  each other. I really enjoy sitting down and
• 3:30:56
  talking with her. She she bounces ideas off me,
• 3:30:59
  that make me think of Lawson activate my brain making me very
• 3:31:03
  happy to do. So, I'm her sense of humor
• 3:31:06
  messes with mine with Barstow. I'm sort of on the same
• 3:31:11
  wavelength as you will, we we enjoy the same things.
• 3:31:15
  I enjoy cooking for her because I enjoy.
• 3:31:22
  Is a lot of that anecdotal. It sounds like a beautiful
• 3:31:26
  relationship to me. I wish I could cook.
• 3:31:29
  Yeah, I mean, I enjoy cooking. Especially for her like, there's
• 3:31:35
  something about fading, your loved ones.
• 3:31:37
  That's really special thing. Is that anecdotal?
• 3:31:42
  Sure. But I mean, I don't have to
• 3:31:45
  convince anybody else that I love her and I don't know.
• 3:31:49
  Right? Right, that's kind of, my point
• 3:31:53
  is, I don't think you could really prove you start out by
• 3:31:56
  saying you don't accept anecdotes.
• 3:31:57
  You don't accept emotional reasoning but you just listed a
• 3:32:00
  bunch of it. You're convinced out needing to
• 3:32:04
  convince somebody else, right? You, you may not be able to
• 3:32:07
  really use a logical syllogism that proves in the same way as
• 3:32:12
  like a scientific thing or mathematical thing that I say if
• 3:32:16
  people were skeptical of love and they didn't believe it was
• 3:32:18
  true or that they thought that maybe you were lying that you
• 3:32:22
  loved your wife, you probably couldn't prove it.
• 3:32:25
  What evidence? No, but I could pray that she
• 3:32:28
  exist. Right, right?
• 3:32:31
  But you kind of get my point. Like I think love is a good
• 3:32:33
  example of something that it's not, that love.
• 3:32:35
  Is it rational per se necessary? Like you don't believe in love
• 3:32:38
  for irrational reasons. But it's not to rush and believe
• 3:32:43
  in love for the rational, raising them up because of a
• 3:32:47
  logical argument or something or a mathematical equation or
• 3:32:51
  scientific data. Are you believe in love because
• 3:32:53
  of your experience? Adam, if you don't mind me
• 3:32:57
  saying what I got from what you just said.
• 3:32:59
  A little while ago, when you were out talking to Mark was,
• 3:33:02
  he's kind of been set in your ways as you were already
• 3:33:05
  convinced of your own views and all that, but you'd always
• 3:33:08
  remained. Open-minded, you figured if
• 3:33:10
  something came along, then you would deal with it.
• 3:33:13
  Then if it wasn't something you went in search of, but something
• 3:33:16
  to pound you That. I mean if I'm wrong.
• 3:33:20
  Correct me don't know yet. That's correct.
• 3:33:25
  The mark that says, you know, what is far as I'm concerned.
• 3:33:28
  It's, that is how the truth works.
• 3:33:30
  Sometimes you go in search of it and you find it and sometimes
• 3:33:33
  just whenever you least, expect it at 5.
• 3:33:37
  Thank you. I know, I know you probably
• 3:33:39
  going to be like, well, but that is a good point about the love.
• 3:33:42
  You were saying over here and chat.
• 3:33:45
  You said something about is that all you see love as a chemical
• 3:33:49
  reaction and nothing more. I think it's an emotion, but I'm
• 3:33:53
  saying, if you want to, it could be arguably scientifically
• 3:33:56
  proven that. He loves his wife.
• 3:33:57
  If he were to go undergo certain testing with him in his wife, I
• 3:34:00
  bet you do blind studies with people that he does not know and
• 3:34:04
  see brain States and indicated loves wife.
• 3:34:06
  So it would come down to his love testable.
• 3:34:09
  I would argue that it likely is well, even if it is testable, no
• 3:34:15
  one on the planet has no human being arrived.
• 3:34:19
  That a belief in love through a logical syllogism or scientific
• 3:34:23
  data. They arrived at it because of
• 3:34:25
  the feeling of love that we know is there and through your
• 3:34:28
  personal experience of it. Yeah, but nobody's asking you to
• 3:34:32
  prove that you love your God, which is proving to ask me to
• 3:34:36
  prove that they exist. I see that but I think like I
• 3:34:42
  think the Holy Spirit like the experience of the holy spirit is
• 3:34:46
  very analogous to what we're talking about with love work.
• 3:34:49
  It's more like a direct experience is not something you
• 3:34:52
  can really show much evidence of because it's very internal.
• 3:34:57
  But the problem is that you're sort of sign that he loved this
• 3:35:00
  individual and and ways or sideways and Olathe exist.
• 3:35:04
  And then you said, well, I bought everybody did.
• 3:35:06
  I exist that? You love your wife and I can
• 3:35:09
  prove my wife and kids, so I can go get the birth certificate to
• 3:35:13
  get her ID. I can show you pictures of her.
• 3:35:15
  I could, I could prove that she exists.
• 3:35:18
  If it up to of love exists, not doubting the person that you
• 3:35:25
  love doubting love. Yeah.
• 3:35:28
  But I mean about things in the world I mean, emotions exist for
• 3:35:36
  certain level and unlike Rex would have said that they're
• 3:35:40
  more chemicals than anything else.
• 3:35:42
  But I joined the day's Concepts, like love or, you know, your
• 3:35:47
  friendship Princeton. Can you demonstrate friendship
• 3:35:50
  exists? Kind of thing.
• 3:35:51
  If it's more, an abstract concept and under and emotional
• 3:35:56
  reaction eggs, But the only, as a, as a relationship between two
• 3:36:01
  things like it is kind of in a different different degree as as
• 3:36:08
  an actual concrete thing. Right?
• 3:36:12
  Right. So in a way what I'm suggesting
• 3:36:14
  is maybe and I'm more focused on the Holy Spirit aspect of a
• 3:36:18
  belief in God maybe God or the holy spirit is like that.
• 3:36:22
  In that it's it's not this object.
• 3:36:24
  Or this test will thing that it's more like an abstraction
• 3:36:27
  that is it's a true experience, but when you try to pin it down,
• 3:36:33
  it becomes harder to I don't know, right out in some kind of
• 3:36:37
  empirical way. Okay.
• 3:36:45
  Anyways, I'm not trying to pressure you to change your
• 3:36:48
  belief smart. I just because I had just
• 3:36:50
  recently changed and like I really wasn't trying to stop.
• 3:36:54
  Like I wasn't trying to start believing in God or I was like,
• 3:36:57
  I thought I was pretty set in their ways.
• 3:36:59
  I didn't think I was going to change your mind.
• 3:37:00
  So just kind of like interesting that they had come up.
• 3:37:03
  And I just wanted to share what I, but my experience was,
• 3:37:07
  there's some people out there who are starting to be goofy.
• 3:37:10
  Unfortunately, like you're somebody out here.
• 3:37:12
  So I just love cappuccino. Ten bucks says, you wouldn't be
• 3:37:16
  willing to die for that cappuccino.
• 3:37:17
  I'm largely driving at night, how much somebody loves coffee.
• 3:37:23
  Be honest with you, I've seen some pretty People can criticize
• 3:37:33
  my view but I'm largely a fictionist when it comes to
• 3:37:38
  trying to say, that there is a label Concepts that is like
• 3:37:45
  objective and outside of agent experience or agent labeling.
• 3:37:50
  So, like we can say, like love exists or four exist.
• 3:37:57
  But if there were no conscious agents to ascribe those labels
• 3:38:01
  to things, I don't think they would exist.
• 3:38:06
  Do you say if you say that one? Did you just say that for exist,
• 3:38:12
  for, for does not exist? Objectively outside of agents to
• 3:38:17
  describe such a thing. As, for the number for like,
• 3:38:21
  four doesn't exist out there. The numbers and information
• 3:38:31
  can't exist without a mind behind it.
• 3:38:33
  And Eddie will. I agree with you.
• 3:38:35
  But when you say something like that, Love exists, right?
• 3:38:47
  And I object to that at a very fundamental level because I
• 3:38:52
  mean, even if you add God to that, you have to give God a new
• 3:38:57
  category to hold the belief that love exists.
• 3:39:05
  I do in the sense that we use it as like a definition.
• 3:39:09
  I think that's what we mean. It's like saying Like unicorn
• 3:39:19
  exist as a fiction to describe a thing, but it doesn't actually
• 3:39:23
  exist outside of, you know, our creation of such a concept in a
• 3:39:31
  way that's different than unicorns existing, right.
• 3:39:33
  Sure because that's how that definition works, right?
• 3:39:38
  So, don't you think of the same as the same is true for those
• 3:39:42
  who believe in God, they don't mean it in some way that is
• 3:39:45
  different from how we just use the term commonly, like it's the
• 3:39:48
  same thing. Yeah, but yeah, I guess that's
• 3:39:53
  where like the 80s and Furious have to part ways.
• 3:39:56
  I guess, Markey emergent properties.
• 3:40:04
  Like, the emergent properties of relationships that aren't
• 3:40:07
  actually have any impact on the world in a physical wire or some
• 3:40:13
  kind of way. Like, I don't, like I love my
• 3:40:16
  wife. That doesn't create literal
• 3:40:18
  fireworks or anything. I have to do these things to
• 3:40:21
  make anything happen, you know, you like that martians, don't
• 3:40:25
  actually change the world. Know anybody?
• 3:40:27
  That's the claim that we usually get.
• 3:40:29
  Is that this God does change the world and is responsible for the
• 3:40:33
  creation of a responsible creation of every organic thing
• 3:40:38
  out there. That day comes to sort of burden
• 3:40:45
  of that, that thing than hide. This emotion is felt by organic
• 3:40:50
  creatures. Cuz ya'll just saying that, not
• 3:40:53
  only does it exist and not in the sort of sorcery.
• 3:40:58
  Do abstract, the white love exist.
• 3:41:01
  It, it actually is something that has not only affected the
• 3:41:04
  world that created an internal war base things in responsible
• 3:41:07
  for all the Baseline. So it depends on what kind of
• 3:41:10
  claim your nice in here. Reference.
• 3:41:14
  I think though not to sound like a broken record, but I think
• 3:41:18
  that the love example is a good example because people will say,
• 3:41:23
  oh well there's these chemicals. And you know, we're just organic
• 3:41:28
  creatures feeling and emotion. But when you're actually talking
• 3:41:31
  about the love of your wife or, you know, if you give a specific
• 3:41:35
  example, you're not going to describe it just as an organic
• 3:41:38
  chemistry. Dang it.
• 3:41:41
  You there's something more to it that you know is a human when
• 3:41:45
  The Human Experience that love the experience of love is not
• 3:41:49
  just this thing that you described as organic chemistry
• 3:41:54
  it's beyond them. Mark is supposed nidhi and Rex,
• 3:41:59
  you mind, if I ask you as hypothetical real quick, like
• 3:42:03
  I'm more instant finding out from Adam from chemistry and
• 3:42:07
  neuter activity and so does a shed relationship of psychology.
• 3:42:11
  What else is there? Like what what are you pointing
• 3:42:14
  Mark more? Or less, a chemical reaction.
• 3:42:21
  I think at first it is, I think it's also you I'm it's a
• 3:42:25
  tradition so it's sort of like trying to reduce it to Jost.
• 3:42:28
  Chemicals is a mistake. The the certainly the Darkman
• 3:42:32
  hits that you have from experiencing that with your
• 3:42:36
  partner, old old Partners or whoever is definitely chemical
• 3:42:40
  reaction to the whole bunch of sort of psychological triggers
• 3:42:48
  in there. There's also the hydro stuff in
• 3:42:51
  there is a whole bunch of neural adaption in there, so there's a
• 3:42:56
  whole bunch of different things that, that sort of I think would
• 3:43:00
  build up to what you call love. Butt idea of Love is an emergent
• 3:43:05
  property from all of these things working together.
• 3:43:07
  I don't think it's just just chemicals, or just, you know,
• 3:43:12
  psychology or just behavioral stuff.
• 3:43:15
  I think it's a whole bunch of stuff together, that would be
• 3:43:17
  reinforced and not that we call love.
• 3:43:21
  Okay, can you articulate for me, which chemical causes you to
• 3:43:27
  want to cook for your wife? Because you enjoy blessing her?
• 3:43:30
  Do you think it's still coming? Yeah.
• 3:43:35
  So you could technically go ahead crack and get the same.
• 3:43:41
  Or low-cost TV cuz you get dopamine hits from watching
• 3:43:45
  stimulating, television shows to enjoy other things, stay the
• 3:43:49
  night. I don't know what that bruise
• 3:43:51
  like. I enjoy playing James.
• 3:43:52
  Guess I enjoy playing Christmas to my wife a lot because I don't
• 3:43:58
  know, I just enjoy it. And she said, honey, I really
• 3:44:06
  want a grilled cheese you would probably hop up and go make her
• 3:44:09
  it for her because you want to please her.
• 3:44:11
  Right. I mean, I might tell you how you
• 3:44:14
  do. You know why not I don't know.
• 3:44:22
  It's not like she just tells me to do something and I'm just
• 3:44:26
  like, yes ma'am last we had a minute option but I don't like
• 3:44:29
  when my girlfriend is running out of ice water she's like an
• 3:44:34
  addict freshwater. I immediately go to jump up and
• 3:44:36
  make her more ice water. I want to please her, I
• 3:44:39
  prioritize it. So I guess my question is why
• 3:44:42
  does that dopamine hit override? The dopamine hit of watching.
• 3:44:46
  My favorite TV show is taking her out, water over my TV show.
• 3:44:59
  So, I think what you're trying to say then, let let me try to
• 3:45:06
  express this little bit different differently.
• 3:45:08
  Is that What you're trying to say is if you reduce this thing
• 3:45:14
  to a chemical, then it's indiscernible from any other
• 3:45:18
  kind of behavior that generates that chemical fracture.
• 3:45:22
  Sure, you're great. So I think where there's some
• 3:45:30
  talking past is that There's a multitude of chemicals involved
• 3:45:38
  in human relationships versus just pleasure.
• 3:45:43
  Sensations in particular soap, it's almost a category error to
• 3:45:48
  say, oh, you get dopamine from this personal relationship with
• 3:45:53
  someone, and it makes that love trivial to drug use TV, show,
• 3:45:57
  whatever, that's not quite what happens with us.
• 3:46:00
  Like those things are aggregated together.
• 3:46:09
  We called that I love between humans and it's categorically
• 3:46:14
  different than I love hitting the bong.
• 3:46:18
  I love cappuccino like we're just short cutting that, that
• 3:46:23
  sense of release and enjoyment for for something that's not
• 3:46:28
  equivalent to what we mean by. I love her, I love him.
• 3:46:32
  I, I, I love this. Person far, above anyone else, I
• 3:46:37
  ever have Christian men in the Bible Belt, they get more
• 3:46:42
  typically and it's an idle at the Florida.
• 3:46:45
  Gators was an idol of my life. They get more of a dopamine hit
• 3:46:48
  from a college football game than they do Sunday morning
• 3:46:50
  church. But they'll still prioritize
• 3:46:54
  Sunday church over a football game.
• 3:46:58
  So basically Proverbs what you getting at is the price for the
• 3:47:02
  priority of the chemicals. Mark, as well as nidhi.
• 3:47:08
  Are you guys convinced that there's nothing beyond the meat?
• 3:47:11
  Are you that you're that? You're basically complex
• 3:47:15
  chemicals. So what do you believe?
• 3:47:17
  Prioritizes that cheese sandwich that your wife wants over you
• 3:47:22
  watching the game? I think is what Proverbs get
• 3:47:24
  that pretty good question. Well, I think that you sent the
• 3:47:28
  Matrix is being very, very reduction espresso.
• 3:47:31
  It says what? I brought up his, I did think it
• 3:47:34
  was all your own about the chemicals and I outlined a
• 3:47:36
  number of things. So the behavioral and reward
• 3:47:39
  systems, kind of things just pointed out.
• 3:47:47
  I might think it's a whole bunch of things like part of it, maybe
• 3:47:50
  I learned behavior, right? If you don't going, make your
• 3:47:54
  wife grilled cheese, then shake it.
• 3:47:58
  And then not that went behavior is well, I don't want my wife to
• 3:48:02
  be cranky cuz that makes my life hard.
• 3:48:04
  So therefore, you have a Hydra Belen parative to make your
• 3:48:09
  wife, go chase that none of that might actually goes through your
• 3:48:13
  head. It's just all my wife wants a
• 3:48:15
  group Chase, how I can help her out that it's a mixture of these
• 3:48:18
  things happen together. That's what an emergent property
• 3:48:21
  is. It's a number of different
• 3:48:24
  systems all working together that produced an overall
• 3:48:27
  reaction. That is what emergent mean I
• 3:48:33
  struggle to believe that I actually have a persistent
• 3:48:37
  identity throughout all of time. Like because I think most people
• 3:48:42
  are efficient Paradox. Like like I, I don't know if I
• 3:48:47
  am the in like, an ultimate sin. Six-year-old me like we just use
• 3:48:55
  that. Like, it's a shortcut.
• 3:48:56
  I can just say, we're not a six-year-old.
• 3:48:59
  Thank you like in Psychology, you kind of take apart of that
• 3:49:06
  young child with you at all times.
• 3:49:08
  Like they are escaping from that.
• 3:49:13
  Childish nature, if you ever seen a businessman 30-something
• 3:49:17
  child could really important, keeping keeping that child alive
• 3:49:28
  is, it's really important. It, it's sort of that ability to
• 3:49:32
  pliers is incredibly important. Even even if you are an elderly
• 3:49:37
  person on the ability to fly, And have fun at that's real.
• 3:49:41
  Childish in a child's sense, is very important.
• 3:49:45
  So I would disagree with you on this, like I challenge you on
• 3:49:49
  that. I think about it some more
• 3:49:52
  Lendmark erect. I was hoping to ask you guys a
• 3:49:57
  hypothetical real quick. It'll be.
• 3:49:58
  Alright. That's my normal.
• 3:50:03
  Alright so here's a hypothetical.
• 3:50:06
  I've actually asked Adam this while back and rest in the urine
• 3:50:11
  with the different answers will be but let's say tomorrow you
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  wake up in a dark room and you see two doors up against the
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  wall, there's light, coming underneath them, you can see
• 3:50:20
  them clearly as you approach them, they become more
• 3:50:23
  illuminated on one door. It says, if you go through this,
• 3:50:28
  this will be a universe with God.
• 3:50:31
  And once you close the door behind you, that will become
• 3:50:35
  your reality. The other door is without God,
• 3:50:38
  that will become your reality. The moment, you shut the door,
• 3:50:40
  which would you choose? Goblin.
• 3:50:47
  What about you actually have to say, if it is a good god of
• 3:50:55
  benevolence. Kind of thing?
• 3:50:57
  Like, so that it's going to be a good benevolent.
• 3:51:02
  God omnipotent and have our best interests at heart, correct?
• 3:51:05
  And remember the moment you shut the door behind your reality,
• 3:51:20
  People that look up on somebody with lost in that hat is
• 3:51:25
  committed. Adultery is pretty terrible and
• 3:51:28
  it's literally you think we women?
• 3:51:32
  Do you think we should do? I think this is a really bad
• 3:51:40
  thing. I think a thought crime is a
• 3:51:44
  really bad thing to be leveraged upon people because people have
• 3:51:47
  thoughts all the time and especially sort of Attraction.
• 3:51:51
  Sexual attraction is not anything's the dressing lust,
• 3:51:55
  lust lust in your car is already in action.
• 3:52:02
  What if you're lusting? We're already partaking and
• 3:52:08
  sexual activity in your knowledge and yes your mind
• 3:52:15
  which is by definition to your mind.
• 3:52:17
  That's a thought. I am so confused or a Mark II
• 3:52:23
  was hoping to get back with the hypothetical but I will play
• 3:52:26
  around with this notion real quick.
• 3:52:28
  Imagine for a moment that the female that you say that you
• 3:52:32
  love and that you cook grilled cheese for, have the ability to
• 3:52:36
  be able to see your thoughts everywhere.
• 3:52:38
  You walk, everywhere you go. She can see every time some
• 3:52:42
  woman bends over, you got some thoughts, running your heads.
• 3:52:45
  How do you imagine? She would react towards you if
• 3:52:48
  she could see, all that stuff going on.
• 3:52:50
  I see your smartphone a little bit.
• 3:52:52
  Tell me what's what's going to happen?
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  Cuz like sometimes I tell her, I don't I don't hold any secrets
• 3:53:00
  or anything like that and she finds other men attractive.
• 3:53:04
  Like you think that the other women don't find out the men
• 3:53:07
  attracted? You think that if you always a
• 3:53:09
  woman that she'd never find any other guys attractive, do you
• 3:53:12
  think that? Yeah.
• 3:53:18
  Am I supposed to be in a relationship?
• 3:53:20
  Like my partner has no problem. I'm not a huge poor guy, but if
• 3:53:24
  I watch born, it doesn't bother her and doesn't involve her and
• 3:53:32
  it doesn't affect a relationship.
• 3:53:33
  So we just don't talk about it. Like we don't talk about when
• 3:53:36
  she has a biological thing ever. Been with a woman who tells you
• 3:53:43
  that something doesn't bother. And then later on down the road,
• 3:53:46
  you find out it actually dead. Then she lied And she replied.
• 3:53:51
  Yeah, it did or didn't think about it?
• 3:53:58
  Call Rite Aid in town. Here you build a relationship
• 3:54:01
  where that trust is that she can can tell you so so usually when
• 3:54:06
  that happens starts bothering her, I'm sorry, bothering her
• 3:54:12
  then she needs to be there after, right?
• 3:54:16
  Or is it shows that the thinking and processing of what is going
• 3:54:19
  on? Now is not acceptable to her
• 3:54:21
  right now to try and just be like I need to just appease them
• 3:54:28
  cuz I don't want the conflict. All right.
• 3:54:30
  Mark you said depending on the god of fire pit tonight God and
• 3:54:35
  all this Shield, go through God door.
• 3:54:37
  I noticed you hadn't really hesitate on that either you or
• 3:54:40
  like God or what would you do your face with the Jesus store
• 3:54:46
  or Universe without any kind of God whatsoever and that becomes
• 3:54:51
  your reality your simulation rocks.
• 3:54:54
  Assuming that I could be certain that the Universe I should have
• 3:54:58
  any certain to your. Other than that, one door is
• 3:55:00
  least use the wind or lease. And not Jesus do from that, I
• 3:55:03
  would choose Jesus simply because my selfishness does not
• 3:55:06
  want to stop existing at any point.
• 3:55:07
  And so are going through the second door that says that Jesus
• 3:55:11
  has the potential of at some point.
• 3:55:13
  I would no longer exist. But according to Christian
• 3:55:15
  theology, I will always exist. So I choose that goes well I
• 3:55:20
  feel like you and Mark Van sword.
• 3:55:22
  Honestly, what about Unity? I don't know.
• 3:55:27
  So I thought way too much about the ideas of heaven and Eternity
• 3:55:34
  with Jesus. And so for me, like, one of the
• 3:55:41
  issues like how do you escape like the problem the possibility
• 3:55:45
  of Eternal boredom. So like I don't know how that is
• 3:55:50
  that. You saw that one or like is it
• 3:55:55
  still in Jesus world? Is it still really me if you
• 3:55:59
  know fundamental parts of my character and everyone else's
• 3:56:02
  are you know, wiped away or reformatted when burying that
• 3:56:06
  eternal The ideas of like perseverance toil the setting
• 3:56:17
  goals. Like, I don't know if those
• 3:56:19
  things actually exist in heaven, but I find them to be a
• 3:56:22
  fundamental part of my character.
• 3:56:23
  Those get wiped away then I don't think I'm me and I don't
• 3:56:26
  want it like and then like just not existing is like I didn't
• 3:56:31
  ask to exist in the first place. So I can on Jesus world is just
• 3:56:35
  me not existing, when I go poop, you know, whatever.
• 3:56:41
  So right? He didn't exactly he's saying
• 3:56:46
  that he does not have a 50-50 if you can solve the problems of
• 3:56:51
  like you know, is it really me in heaven and like there's a way
• 3:56:59
  to escape Eternal boredom then? I guess I'd choose a Jesus story
• 3:57:03
  but as it stands I probably would not.
• 3:57:06
  Let me throw this out at Proverbs in Proverbs he still
• 3:57:10
  alive. Alaska does I am, but I do want
• 3:57:13
  to also Circle back around to nitty's false conception of what
• 3:57:18
  heaven will be like, a boy, it's fine.
• 3:57:21
  It's something that spread around by Protestants because
• 3:57:25
  many of them don't read the Bible.
• 3:57:26
  I'm being honest with you with the majority of Christians do
• 3:57:32
  not read the Bible. I've been to five different
• 3:57:34
  services in the past six weeks and none of them read more than
• 3:57:42
  five scripture verses in a 45-minute service and that's and
• 3:57:47
  I'm not hating on that and a service alone.
• 3:57:49
  But what I'm saying is that's the only scripture most
• 3:57:51
  Christians here, they don't read it at home.
• 3:57:55
  So they're getting five scripture verses a week from the
• 3:57:58
  entire Bible. Okay.
• 3:58:00
  Do you think that applies to me? No, not at all.
• 3:58:03
  You have to do with midi over here.
• 3:58:08
  That is something that I've heard some non-believer say.
• 3:58:12
  What if I existed for Millennia, man?
• 3:58:15
  I just I didn't enjoy the creative process anymore.
• 3:58:18
  I was happy, even though I earned our got in there.
• 3:58:22
  Be will you know, I wouldn't say it's a question of happiness
• 3:58:26
  because, you know, you could say that God instantiates this world
• 3:58:32
  in such a way that you always experience happiness.
• 3:58:34
  But then is that still, you were an eternity worth experiencing.
• 3:58:39
  I don't know, right? And then leave the question.
• 3:58:42
  I was going to throw up Proverbs and this is probably something
• 3:58:45
  something has to be, probably wondered.
• 3:58:46
  But Proverbs, do you think it's possible for a soul or a person
• 3:58:51
  who is in The Eternity with God? They actually asked God to end
• 3:58:57
  them, if they did not want to exist anymore.
• 3:59:02
  I mean, it's such an unreasonable question.
• 3:59:04
  Why someone in total Paradise would want to?
• 3:59:10
  Even fathom the idea of ending it.
• 3:59:12
  So, I can't really answer that question.
• 3:59:18
  But if you think about it in the Theology of Christianity, the
• 3:59:22
  devil made the choice and a third of his angels, actually
• 3:59:25
  decided. They didn't want to be under
• 3:59:27
  rule this way. So if the human soul where the
• 3:59:30
  stand before, God and say, look, it's it's not working for me
• 3:59:33
  anymore and they become non-existent annihilated.
• 3:59:37
  By choice in Paradise is going to be the completion of that.
• 3:59:41
  Empty feeling you have inside and you're seeking God.
• 3:59:46
  Fair enough. I do agree with nidhi though.
• 3:59:48
  I do believe it's a place of joy and happiness and all that and I
• 3:59:52
  understand where you're coming from, will you still be you and
• 3:59:55
  all that? I get that.
• 3:59:59
  You will completely still be you hold on.
• 4:00:02
  Is there any sadness in heaven now?
• 4:00:06
  Would you be sad tonight people with burning in Heaven and Hell?
• 4:00:11
  Sorry. No, you're not banging.
• 4:00:16
  So you're not yourself, you've had parts of you were raised the
• 4:00:19
  possibility. Hang on a second.
• 4:00:23
  If I'm not conscious of my loved ones and what has happened to
• 4:00:27
  them, if they ideas to Namaste is site just say, I'm a
• 4:00:30
  Believer. I go to heaven die.
• 4:00:32
  Don't die either. Go to hell when I wipe but I'm
• 4:00:34
  not sure. What what you'll do, your belief
• 4:00:36
  system is on that. I'm saving that just say that
• 4:00:39
  they've been, what? May not think conscious of what
• 4:00:44
  happened to them. That wouldn't be met like I, I
• 4:00:48
  would, I would care for my loved ones and won't them with me.
• 4:00:51
  So what about your? Loved one?
• 4:00:55
  Never even crossed your mind. Me ask you a question.
• 4:00:58
  Would you agree that your honeymoon was probably one of
• 4:01:02
  the happiest days of your life? when your most enjoyable
• 4:01:07
  moments, Otherwise, I'd have to either call you dishonest or get
• 4:01:15
  your wife on the phone and be like, look, you need to handle
• 4:01:18
  business. Oh, she doesn't, they are
• 4:01:21
  stopped at a lot more patience. Okay.
• 4:01:25
  Yeah. One of the best nights of your
• 4:01:31
  life. Okay.
• 4:01:33
  In that night, those moments were you thinking of your
• 4:01:37
  grandma or your dead, great grandma, or were you thinking of
• 4:01:41
  how wonderful it was with your wife in that moment?
• 4:01:45
  Well, yeah, but my wife is a, is a loved one, right?
• 4:01:48
  When you're with him and assuming you make it and I'm
• 4:01:53
  praying for you. Baby thinking of you at all, if
• 4:01:58
  you made it or not because you're going to be in the
• 4:01:59
  presence of someone, you love very dearly in a very intimate
• 4:02:03
  moment, but forever. Yeah, but I mean you're talking
• 4:02:08
  about like mine, are you talking about the sort of the entirety
• 4:02:13
  of my honeymoon night, right? You know, Max isn't going to
• 4:02:19
  come in comparison to look in the presence of God.
• 4:02:23
  Yeah, but taping somebody, in that state kind of thing.
• 4:02:27
  Taking somebody in that state. That means that you are typing
• 4:02:32
  from the rest of their life. Because the whole point about
• 4:02:36
  about sort of what you're talkin about about.
• 4:02:38
  So 6 at the honeymoon is that it doesn't last forever.
• 4:02:43
  That's what makes the honeymoon special.
• 4:02:46
  Is that a feelings all day? I wouldn't want to, I mean, why
• 4:02:53
  would I want to go? Then it would be a lot of work
• 4:02:56
  and get away with it. Sure.
• 4:02:58
  Yeah, for the first that you wouldn't get anything done.
• 4:03:01
  You'd be fired, why would you want because the scripture
• 4:03:04
  defines Heaven as the Earth remade, the Earth's going to be
• 4:03:08
  destroyed is going to be made new again.
• 4:03:09
  That paradise is heaven and it says that there's going to be
• 4:03:14
  and believed her to be given principalities and in ruling
• 4:03:20
  areas depending on how faithful they were to cry.
• 4:03:22
  So it's not like, we're going to just be playing around and
• 4:03:25
  ecstasy all day. Like, we're going to be
• 4:03:29
  functioning and you're going to be my wife.
• 4:03:35
  Still doesn't believe in. I can register, but tomorrow,
• 4:03:38
  like, like a Time, Lord, I just reach around and my wife is
• 4:03:42
  still tight. Stay at stand, doesn't doesn't
• 4:03:44
  want to talk to you guys and, you know, it doesn't have a
• 4:03:47
  chance of her converting after you statistically.
• 4:03:58
  And God turns me on that match that I just don't think about
• 4:04:05
  her. You don't see anything wrong
• 4:04:07
  with that. Now I don't because here's the
• 4:04:09
  thing you're assuming that the love for your wife would be
• 4:04:12
  before God. And that's not how we value our
• 4:04:14
  relationship. My love for God comes before my
• 4:04:17
  love, for my girlfriend. It comes before the love for my
• 4:04:21
  mother. It comes before the love of my
• 4:04:22
  children. It comes before the love of
• 4:04:24
  anything in this world. Christ comes first in my life
• 4:04:27
  and because of that, all of my relationships, following are
• 4:04:31
  stronger and better. Yeah, and just just because I
• 4:04:35
  did the whole reason I wouldn't be myself is, I wouldn't feel
• 4:04:39
  sad that that person being naughty in my life but that just
• 4:04:43
  wouldn't be who I am. That would be somebody changing
• 4:04:48
  how I'm feeling in order to basically trick me into that.
• 4:04:57
  You accuse, your wife of trying to trick you out of thinking of
• 4:05:01
  your dead grandma. And that's the relationship in
• 4:05:07
  the intimacy. I'm trying to explain to you.
• 4:05:09
  That is just wrong horrible. Yes, it is.
• 4:05:16
  Maybe it is in your mind because you can't grasp the concept of
• 4:05:20
  an intimacy with God, but you're not talkin about or not.
• 4:05:25
  You're talkin about the rest of Eternity like But you don't have
• 4:05:33
  to think about people that you would have loved if God didn't
• 4:05:37
  come along and change your love. The only Encompass, this one
• 4:05:41
  being are you saying if you were able to wipe away all your
• 4:05:48
  heartache from the past by just not remembering it, you wouldn't
• 4:05:51
  want to the most traumatic. Yeah, they did this.
• 4:05:56
  You know, I'm Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
• 4:05:59
  Yeah, it's a sad. Saddest.
• 4:06:12
  It is sort of that idea of, if we take away the things that
• 4:06:17
  make a sad and the true must have been true in the things
• 4:06:20
  that we've we've experienced, when not us anymore.
• 4:06:23
  That's the whole point. Like, it is the things that we'd
• 4:06:27
  be facing over, now, lives in the people that we made him that
• 4:06:31
  the, the, the the relationships that we have, an all of these
• 4:06:35
  things, make us who we are, and you'll sort of Shanghai.
• 4:06:41
  Comes a lawn mower. And once you're in heaven, he
• 4:06:43
  just flicked a pleasure button. And you just forget about all
• 4:06:47
  the things that made your life, rich and complacent.
• 4:06:52
  And then things bother. It just seems horrible, it seems
• 4:06:55
  awful. I didn't even know what you
• 4:06:58
  think it means. But if you could get a drug that
• 4:07:01
  just sort of majoring in ecstasy all the time and just tell it to
• 4:07:05
  somebody or asking, wouldn't that make you happy at Mark
• 4:07:08
  terrible and horrible? How do you describe hell?
• 4:07:14
  Just out of curiosity would be terrible and horrible but he'll
• 4:07:22
  you have no opinion on. Both are terrible.
• 4:07:27
  But yeah, I mean, it depends on a lot of different sort of
• 4:07:38
  descriptions of hell. If you're talkin about, hell is
• 4:07:42
  sort of a separation from a Christian inspiration from God,
• 4:07:50
  and that's your idea of Heaven. I'll type the separation from
• 4:07:52
  God. Any day, the way you think
• 4:07:58
  you'll be done. Then being separated.
• 4:08:01
  Yeah, it sounds better than just just not feeling sad and not
• 4:08:10
  being myself. I like that sounds honest stops.
• 4:08:19
  And we're everything that you've ever cared about everything that
• 4:08:23
  you identified as yourself will be non-existent forever and
• 4:08:28
  ever. That's the atheist option
• 4:08:29
  though. What?
• 4:08:31
  Why you saying? It's an auction.
• 4:08:32
  One of these is going to be a reality.
• 4:08:35
  Like you're saying, like, whatever you choose is what you
• 4:08:37
  get. I think that's the case.
• 4:08:39
  But if we're talking to a public audience out there and they're
• 4:08:46
  hearing the options of the joy and peace and Harmony that, you
• 4:08:49
  know, what, why do you think that what's going to happen to
• 4:08:59
  you? When you die is an auction, like
• 4:09:01
  you get a choice in the matter. Well, I don't you accept God and
• 4:09:06
  that is a choice. What's an atheist?
• 4:09:09
  And you're simply saying what, what happened?
• 4:09:14
  What happened is not a choice. Like, if you're talkin between
• 4:09:19
  life, okay, you're a theist. And you believe these two things
• 4:09:22
  I can do, an internal could take it back, but as soon as you
• 4:09:25
  bring ideas them into it, I just don't think we have a choice of
• 4:09:29
  any of the like you don't get to choose what happens to you after
• 4:09:32
  you die. Do you think that?
• 4:09:34
  But in my arms, I'm concerned, you don't know, whatever
• 4:09:36
  happened about, Pascal's wager, but you are such a thing, you
• 4:09:44
  are convinced of atheism is the correct position, if lacking the
• 4:09:49
  police and deities is the correct position, the most
• 4:09:52
  Rancho Mirage occult. Then the option is here, is that
• 4:09:56
  you lose everything, right? Everything that you love and
• 4:09:59
  care about no option. Every technology the science has
• 4:10:04
  ever done a very inspirational person on Earth Gone, not even a
• 4:10:09
  memory. How do I get off at 8?
• 4:10:12
  I'll be in memory of the things you said, when you said not even
• 4:10:24
  a memory, they definitely will be a member.
• 4:10:26
  I'm not sure if you meant that metaphorically, but, you know,
• 4:10:29
  we remember, Isaac Newton kind of thing seconds, later, you're
• 4:10:33
  saying that like, will you eat at Chuy's?
• 4:10:34
  The idea, why you choose this way?
• 4:10:36
  Whatever happens after you died one month said is going to be
• 4:10:39
  wrong. Someone is going to be wrong.
• 4:10:41
  I'm you don't get to choose that right?
• 4:10:44
  You're basically saying hi, that's the white, you get a
• 4:10:48
  choice. Sure, if you're right, that is
• 4:10:50
  the case. And the height is why if you
• 4:10:52
  choose that, not one of these is going to be right, independent
• 4:10:56
  of what you choose, whatever you believe, right?
• 4:11:00
  Doesn't get to determine reality.
• 4:11:02
  It's the other way around, it's reality that gets to determine
• 4:11:05
  whether you chose correct or you chose wrong.
• 4:11:09
  So, Let me finish. Finish it.
• 4:11:16
  As will you choose which one of these is going to be the outcome
• 4:11:21
  is just I'm sorry it tightly wrong.
• 4:11:24
  One of these is going to be true and you will choose what you
• 4:11:28
  believe, okay? So Mark, the reason why I
• 4:11:31
  brought up the memory issue here is because I think that atheist
• 4:11:35
  and religious people are like, agree on this one thing Humanity
• 4:11:39
  as an entire day is going to end.
• 4:11:41
  One day is not going to be some Star Trek future we're not going
• 4:11:45
  to fly off and tell him I'm under Planet even though I'd
• 4:11:48
  love that, it's not going to happen.
• 4:11:50
  We're most likely going to destroy each other or play.
• 4:11:53
  He's going to wipe us out of whatever the case when that
• 4:11:56
  happens, there will be no one around to remember any of the
• 4:12:01
  achievements of humanity. It won't even be a dream or a
• 4:12:04
  memory. So yeah, I do see it as an
• 4:12:07
  option. Realistic, we enjoy.
• 4:12:11
  We have some blessed or we be completely wiped out and lose
• 4:12:15
  her complete identity Mitty. One Thing Mark, you I don't know
• 4:12:20
  if you miss us but Brett was proposing.
• 4:12:22
  A a thought experiment you. I don't think that he's saying
• 4:12:24
  that there definitely is a choice.
• 4:12:26
  You choose one of the other and that's reality that the thought
• 4:12:28
  experiment, you sending up an artificial story words.
• 4:12:33
  Like if this was the case, would you choose this or just use
• 4:12:36
  that? And I think that it kind of is
• 4:12:38
  interesting to see what certain people say about it cuz like
• 4:12:41
  you're saying for you. But you would reject
• 4:12:42
  conventional God in heaven in those things.
• 4:12:46
  And to do them this interesting psychological reaction that it's
• 4:12:52
  like even if you were given the choice of what they, they
• 4:12:55
  believe in, you would still reject it.
• 4:12:56
  Exactly a very good. I think that it's just that that
• 4:13:02
  kind of training of it. I find great exception to that
• 4:13:06
  the framing that I can. I can't remember the, the loved
• 4:13:12
  ones that I have, because of what God does to you in heaven
• 4:13:16
  is is not is not alluring to me in the slightest.
• 4:13:22
  But I'll just like to point out on Brett, with Brett said
• 4:13:25
  earlier, is that the whole idea that the human race will not
• 4:13:31
  succeed and will not strive and will not talk.
• 4:13:34
  I think she's a colonize another planet and I didn't think you
• 4:13:37
  noticed that for sure. I don't think that's been
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  sitting started, but I think that, that sort of client, you
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  taught, you don't have a way to demonstrate that climb,
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  especially when my sort of these other space agencies, the NASA,
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  this is sort of an American Centric idea that said, If
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  America doesn't 16 organization ever will, and that sort of an
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  American Centric, Yeah. That that people have American
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  tubs. Will other places have space
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  programs? The original ISS was not based
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  upon an American space saying? It was based upon the mirror
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  which was the Russian. Orbital satellites.
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  Oh yeah, a lot of the stuff. The first time we did a lot of
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  communication stuff for the first one, actually, if I would
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  love to be hanging out on the deck of the Enterprise with
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  nidhi and looking out the big screen and all the worlds and
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  all that, but let's face it. I mean, if we're going to be
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  realistic here on all sides, even the atheist a lot of them
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  agree, but we're probably not going to have one of those that
• 4:15:05
  meet Futures at the most. We might get Fallout 4 and
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  that's that. Are you the future like that?
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  Even if America collapses entirely, how do we know which?
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  Which nation will rise intake eyes of night going to be China,
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  maybe it'll be a very good start p.m. future.
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  But you don't know who that I want colonize another planet.
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  I don't think anybody can make that level of confidence
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  statement about what will happen, a thousand years in the
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  future, a million years in the future.
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  If we survive that wrong, like I appreciate that.
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  You have a really pessimistic. So the idea of what humanity is
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  capable of, I happen to have a much more optimistic, like a
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  specialist with sort of gearing up to, at least.
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  See if, if colonizing Mars is feasible in some way.
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  And once that happens, you have a two planet population.
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  The odds of that that species evolving toward markedly because
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  then I existential Planet, ending Shrek actually wipe out a
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  species, so I I generally optimistic Said that the
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  Atlantic. So you would never be crossed or
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  we'd never make it to stay. So I'm all would never make it
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  to the moon or would never do this.
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  And would never tell you that paper was sliced would never be
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  achieved and then look at us now.
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  I don't think anybody. But I guess what I'm getting at
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  is the history of humanity is tied with people going out and
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  doing what others said just was not possible.
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  And I think that that tradition is still alive and I think we
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  better I ain't forgot. I'm not going to take anybody
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  here, but as well as Marc and recs.
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  Do you actually think that you're going to live to see the
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  day where we actually colonize planets?
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  That will you see it? Or you're just being part of
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  that? You won't be a part of the
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  adventure. No, probably not.
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  I am proud to be pension. But what, what what do you know
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  why? We are part of that Adventure?
• 4:17:22
  We are the everything leading up to the next right?
• 4:17:26
  Thing we do is part of that Adventure, Leonardo drawing his
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  flying machine, part of that Adventure.
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  We're all part of the adventure that has Humanity but it is
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  ongoing and that's what I believe in.
• 4:17:40
  That's that's where I put my results of an, an an answer if I
• 4:17:46
  put my confidence in so, you know, maybe it's all for
• 4:17:50
  nothing, maybe a ride bread. You know what do we do?
• 4:17:54
  Do we sit down and talk, right? I would rather try and fail than
• 4:17:59
  sit down and accept, you know, it's all pointless kind of thing
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  and end, the whole point is to see how far we can go.
• 4:18:08
  We don't know, we don't know how far we can go, let's find out.
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  And yeah, that's going to be well beyond my lifetime, but
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  that's part of it, went out of something bigger than ourselves
• 4:18:19
  question. When you guys are done, go
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  ahead. You want to pay the Mark, I
• 4:18:25
  appreciate the offer and some couple minutes guys, but I'll
• 4:18:28
  let Brett and Adam get their product out.
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  Go ahead. Adam Sabrett part of your
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  question. Was the god door and you said
• 4:18:39
  that it's Jesus. What?
• 4:18:40
  This is something I've been interested in and maybe it's
• 4:18:43
  something we could talk longer on at another time.
• 4:18:46
  But when did Jesus ever claim to be?
• 4:18:49
  God, like, is that something he was recorded as saying or is
• 4:18:53
  that something that was attributed to him afterwards?
• 4:18:57
  There are some other Christian groups out there that believe
• 4:19:00
  Jesus is God's son, believe that he's accepted into the oven, but
• 4:19:04
  that's a, that's a pretty intense discussion.
• 4:19:07
  We can have some time with you. Like, Adam.
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  I'll answer it briefly for you. He might work in Italy,
• 4:19:11
  confirmed that he was God. He said that before Abraham was
• 4:19:16
  I am and I am, is the known Hebrew name, how they reference
• 4:19:21
  God for millennium. So he was declaring, that moment
• 4:19:25
  that he was the Hebrew God of Israel.
• 4:19:26
  How does, how are you interpreting that as Jesus
• 4:19:30
  claiming to be the word that the letter?
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  I, in the letter word? Am I am, is the name.
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  God used with the children of Israel.
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  Right. But you have to explain to me
• 4:19:45
  why that is interpreted as Jesus claiming to be God, because
• 4:19:49
  Jesus said before Abraham was, I am just got an explanation.
• 4:19:53
  He was just restating the salsa. What God Said, the burning bush
• 4:19:57
  to know what is interpreted as evidence that Jesus is claiming
• 4:20:01
  to be God, because Jesus was claiming to be, I am, I am was
• 4:20:06
  the Hebrew god of the Old Testament.
• 4:20:07
  That's what I'm trying to explain.
• 4:20:09
  This should be an interesting longer conversation because I
• 4:20:13
  don't interpret that as Jesus saying, I exclusively and God in
• 4:20:17
  any way. Like I don't see that all.
• 4:20:19
  That's well. Okay.
• 4:20:22
  It's just how any human would have taken it so you can send
• 4:20:25
  that to any Huber off the time. They would have known that you
• 4:20:28
  were claiming to be God or putting yourself on par with
• 4:20:30
  God. At least I would be Blasphemous.
• 4:20:32
  But Jesus said, I and the father are one or something like that.
• 4:20:38
  Right. He did also say, yes, I and the
• 4:20:40
  father are one and so is that something you're interpreting?
• 4:20:43
  Jesus is claiming that he is literally got Jesus.
• 4:20:47
  Himself is literally God, yes. Oh yes, absolutely.
• 4:20:50
  He does several times where it's from Jesus specifically where he
• 4:20:58
  declares that he's got, it might be an interesting topic to get
• 4:21:01
  into death phone cuz I actually want to bust out my Bible and
• 4:21:03
  kind of worried about cuz I don't know what's interesting to
• 4:21:05
  me. Like I never saw Jesus is
• 4:21:07
  claiming to be God, but I got to see how it's interpreted that
• 4:21:13
  way, but I just don't really sit down with you.
• 4:21:16
  And actually Rex could probably join us.
• 4:21:18
  Maybe we could do a private session on streamyard, that's
• 4:21:22
  not broadcast it, but I do have to wrap up on fortunately.
• 4:21:26
  I've been gone for almost four and a half hours.
• 4:21:27
  It's almost midnight and I have to farm early in the morning
• 4:21:31
  problems. Would you have an issue with me?
• 4:21:37
  Putting the stream up on the radio?
• 4:21:39
  Cuz I think this was a really productive one, like everybody
• 4:21:42
  in here was pretty awesome and I, I got to stay Mark.
• 4:21:45
  Your optimism is very contagious, very good.
• 4:21:48
  Anyway, there's a chance Anyone is always available to download
• 4:21:54
  this and and use it as they will.
• 4:21:58
  Thank you. I just I don't say to talk to
• 4:22:01
  me, just say it has a style if you're giving to sort of
• 4:22:05
  fatalism and I don't think, you know, if we gave in to fight
• 4:22:10
  with him in the past, we would never thought anyway.
• 4:22:12
  So I don't think that we should quit or stop trying or something
• 4:22:16
  to do the best for Humanity. It's just it seems like you
• 4:22:19
  managed these repeated itself over and over anytime we come
• 4:22:23
  far humans tend to destroy anything that they make as good
• 4:22:27
  or make it into a weapon. By the way, guys tomorrow night
• 4:22:30
  for the latter night and we only have one person willing to come
• 4:22:38
  up and defend the flat-earth position could be a very short
• 4:22:42
  night, but tomorrow night, Christians and atheists are
• 4:22:46
  encouraged to gather on one side over the globe position and
• 4:22:52
  we're going to try to get flat earthers to come.
• 4:22:54
  Join us. However, it has been a hard task
• 4:22:57
  trying to locate Mark, didn't you have a pretty prominent
• 4:23:01
  debate with the flat earth guy? Nice & Thompson Austin weeks.
• 4:23:09
  It took one step into the ring against me anymore, so so 2007,
• 4:23:25
  if he runs into somebody to ask good questions and he wants he
• 4:23:29
  just never never dies in. For ya, find a fun topic.
• 4:23:36
  Eratosthenes is good, it'll probably be a long show so kick
• 4:23:49
  in whenever you can I got your next show.
• 4:23:59
  Control Friday. I usually have my stuff
• 4:24:01
  scheduled up there but I got to be honest with you, I'll be more
• 4:24:05
  than happy to come in cuz I like hanging out with you Proverbs.
• 4:24:08
  But I don't have very good experiences with flat earthers.
• 4:24:11
  I seem very agitated and paranoid and they just keep
• 4:24:15
  blabbing and don't want to ever stop.
• 4:24:17
  So I hope that's not what we're going to deal with.
• 4:24:20
  If I have to, what I'll do is I'll put one person up at a time
• 4:24:24
  and let them speak and keep everybody else backstage and
• 4:24:27
  rotate it. If people on a flat Earth
• 4:24:30
  position, just can't cooperate. Hopefully, we don't have to go
• 4:24:33
  to that extreme, but again, it might not be an issue because
• 4:24:37
  only one flat earther is possibly going to show up.
• 4:24:40
  It may just be atheist vs. Christians again, can I show up
• 4:24:45
  and just hugged and say nothing? If you don't do, I've never
• 4:24:53
  actually spoken but if any of them are always on their
• 4:24:57
  debating it, I tried asking in a Discord server room and they
• 4:25:03
  were very rude. They thought I was a flat
• 4:25:05
  earther, regardless of how many times I tried to express to
• 4:25:08
  them. That I'm very much a glober
• 4:25:11
  Would you mind if I ask you a few questions about the Flat
• 4:25:15
  Earth or do you know if he believes?
• 4:25:16
  There's a physical shield around the earth and that sits on
• 4:25:20
  something or is it just complete frisbee?
• 4:25:23
  That's a good question. Missing Mater you out in the
• 4:25:26
  audience, missing models are possible.
• 4:25:28
  Flat-earther tomorrow to bring to the table.
• 4:25:35
  That's going to put all of us to go.
• 4:25:37
  And I got to take that brown and it's pretty Rowdy.
• 4:25:48
  So it's definitely people from but it's not a flatter.
• 4:25:51
  You guys are already known and Discord.
• 4:25:53
  Can you just plug it for me? I won't try to convert anybody
• 4:25:58
  tomorrow night, probably like you guys are all welcome but we
• 4:26:10
  don't need any more globers. We specifically need
• 4:26:13
  flat-earthers. Glow part, I believe the Golden
• 4:26:17
  globe, globe, cook myself, as a Globetrotter.
• 4:26:29
  Their arguments are so monotonous and if you need
• 4:26:32
  someone to steal man and I can do it without missing a beat it
• 4:26:34
  because they really only have very few arguments and I've
• 4:26:37
  heard enough Watson, what's banter that I could even make it
• 4:26:40
  for tomorrow night to be a witch.
• 4:26:42
  I actually 100% believe you and we may take you up on that a
• 4:26:48
  gentleman. I'm going to end the stream and
• 4:26:50
  I hope all of you guys have a great night.
• 4:26:51
  Thanks for having us. Glow part, I believe the Golden
• 4:26:17
  globe, globe, cook myself, as a Globetrotter.
• 4:26:29
  Their arguments are so monotonous and if you need
• 4:26:32
  someone to steal man and I can do it without missing a beat it
• 4:26:34
  because they really only have very few arguments and I've
• 4:26:37
  heard enough Watson, what's banter that I could even make it
• 4:26:40
  for tomorrow night to be a witch.
• 4:26:42
  I actually 100% believe you and we may take you up on that a
• 4:26:48
  gentleman. I'm going to end the stream and
• 4:26:50
  I hope all of you guys have a great night.
• 4:26:51
  Thanks for having us.