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- 0:12Speaker 1: Warning the Root, the Root, the Roots on fire.
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- 0:26Speaker 2: This is Wayne Alan Root direct from the entertainment capital
- 0:29Speaker 2: of the world, Las Vegas. What time is it?
- 0:32Speaker 1: It's time war war.
- 0:36Speaker 2: Here's your host, one hundred percent raw Truth, one hundred
- 0:39Speaker 2: percent American made the Warrior, Wayne Alan Roots.
- 0:57Speaker 1: N Gentlemen, here we go.
- 0:58Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the war Zone, Day twenty eight
- 1:02Speaker 3: of August to twenty twenty five.
- 1:04Speaker 1: My name is Lee Elsie, filling in for.
- 1:06Speaker 3: The one and only Wayne Allen Root, who has the
- 1:08Speaker 3: next couple of days off.
- 1:09Speaker 1: He'll be back again on Wednesday of next week. So
- 1:12Speaker 1: you got me.
- 1:12Speaker 3: If you want to reach out to me, you can
- 1:14Speaker 3: Leelsiradio at gmail dot com. Where can you watch us?
- 1:17Speaker 3: Where can you see us? Well just about everywhere. It's
- 1:20Speaker 3: a growing audience for sure.
- 1:21Speaker 1: Of course.
- 1:21Speaker 3: All the great radio stations across the country that have
- 1:24Speaker 3: us on. That's always cool. The Gateway pundit dot com
- 1:27Speaker 3: has us on. Undamed Nation does a fabulous job. They've
- 1:30Speaker 3: got us on right now as well Root for America
- 1:32Speaker 3: if you want a one stop shop for.
- 1:35Speaker 1: All of that.
- 1:35Speaker 3: So you know, as we are on the eve of
- 1:38Speaker 3: Labor Day, the end of summer. Uh, I do them again.
- 1:42Speaker 1: I do a morning show.
- 1:43Speaker 3: If you're just tuning in for the first time and
- 1:45Speaker 3: you don't know anything about me, I understand that. I
- 1:48Speaker 3: guess I'm the official fill in host. I think I've
- 1:50Speaker 3: been filling in for Wayne for the last six or
- 1:52Speaker 3: seven years. Every time Wayne's been off, I've been sitting
- 1:55Speaker 3: in this seat. So I do a show from Connecticut
- 1:58Speaker 3: every single day. I do fill in for a couple
- 2:01Speaker 3: other national hosts, which is always a lot of fun.
- 2:04Speaker 3: Wayne Wayne's show is always the most fun, as I
- 2:06Speaker 3: think we're reaching just so many great people across the country.
- 2:09Speaker 3: But it's interesting today I had a just out of nowhere.
- 2:13Speaker 3: I decided to throw out a topic and it exploded.
- 2:17Speaker 3: And the topic was, you know, something that had to
- 2:19Speaker 3: do with what Donald Trump has done here recently, which
- 2:24Speaker 3: was the burning or the outlawing if you were, or
- 2:26Speaker 3: the executive order outlawing the burning of the American flag.
- 2:31Speaker 3: Now I stand before you, I'm not a politician. I'm
- 2:37Speaker 3: a defender of the sacred flame that lights are republic.
- 2:43Speaker 1: I am a defender of free speech.
- 2:48Speaker 3: So in a world where governments around the globe the
- 2:53Speaker 3: scent with an iron fist, where voices are crushed under
- 2:58Speaker 3: the weight of authoritarian control, America, America, I just got
- 3:03Speaker 3: finished sending an email to somebody. America has always held
- 3:08Speaker 3: something incredibly unique, something invincible, the First Amendment. It's not
- 3:20Speaker 3: just words on a parchment. It's the bedrock of democracy.
- 3:25Speaker 3: It's the bedrock of our republic. The most important element
- 3:29Speaker 3: of our society above all else, is the right of
- 3:33Speaker 3: free speech. It's the guardian of truth, the enabler of progress,
- 3:39Speaker 3: and the ultimate check on tyranny. Without free speech, we,
- 3:43Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, we.
- 3:45Speaker 1: Lose it all. We lose everything.
- 3:49Speaker 3: Our ability to challenge, power, to expose corruption, to unite
- 3:53Speaker 3: over a common cause, and yes, to express our deepest disagreements.
- 4:00Speaker 1: It's what holds us together.
- 4:03Speaker 3: Free speech is the oxygen of liberty. If you stifle it,
- 4:08Speaker 3: the entire body politics suffocates. And again, just a couple
- 4:14Speaker 3: of days ago, on August twenty fifth, President Trump signed
- 4:17Speaker 3: an executive order directing the Department of Justice to vigorously
- 4:22Speaker 3: prosecute those who desecrate the American flag, specifically by burning it,
- 4:28Speaker 3: under the guise of preventing incitement.
- 4:33Speaker 1: Or other crimes.
- 4:34Speaker 3: Again, let me make sure you understand. I hate the
- 4:39Speaker 3: idea of burning the flag. I think it's reprehensible. I
- 4:43Speaker 3: think it's disgusting. The thought of it makes me want
- 4:47Speaker 3: to throw up. The idea that somebody might kneel during
- 4:49Speaker 3: the national anthem, the same thing makes you.
- 4:53Speaker 1: Want to throw up.
- 4:56Speaker 3: But this order instructs Pam Bondy to pursue cases is
- 5:00Speaker 3: where flag burning allegedly violates laws against violence, property damage,
- 5:04Speaker 3: disorderly conduct. It's again, it's a slippery slope. It's a
- 5:09Speaker 3: slippery slope. And Trump himself in the Oval Office said
- 5:12Speaker 3: that if you if you burn the flag, you're going
- 5:14Speaker 3: to get a year in jail, no early exits, nothing.
- 5:18Speaker 3: So again, please, if you're just tuning in, I disdain
- 5:21Speaker 3: the idea of burning the flag. It's profoundly disrespectful. It's
- 5:31Speaker 3: a spit in the face of every single patriot who
- 5:33Speaker 3: has bled for this nation. Their blood is on that flag.
- 5:38Speaker 3: I mean, you think about the heroes that eu Jima,
- 5:40Speaker 3: who raised that flag, those Marines, and that's just a.
- 5:43Speaker 1: Historic, amazing moment in our history. D day, same idea.
- 5:49Speaker 3: The flag's waving, the brave souls that they but they
- 5:53Speaker 3: you know, they didn't die for a piece of cloth,
- 5:55Speaker 3: although that piece of cloth means something.
- 5:57Speaker 1: They died for the ideals. It represents liberty.
- 6:00Speaker 3: Justice and the right to self determination. And when someone
- 6:06Speaker 3: sets a flag ablaze, they mock those who sacrifice it,
- 6:09Speaker 3: and we all should be furious. We should be furious
- 6:12Speaker 3: about it. We should feel betrayed, disrespected. It's a desecration
- 6:18Speaker 3: of those who have fallen. I find a gut wrenching
- 6:20Speaker 3: offensive to the core. It's an ingratitude and it should
- 6:24Speaker 3: boil America's blood.
- 6:26Speaker 1: It boils mine. But I would rather see.
- 6:31Speaker 3: A thousand flags waving proudly than one in flames curely.
- 6:36Speaker 3: I think we're all there, Yet the uncomfortable truth is
- 6:43Speaker 3: free speech demands that we tolerate the ones that we
- 6:49Speaker 3: despise the most. I've come on the show again for
- 6:54Speaker 3: six seven years more than that, I think now, and
- 6:57Speaker 3: it's been the thing that I've talked about more than
- 6:58Speaker 3: anything else. I would rather live in a country where
- 7:02Speaker 3: people have unbridled abilities to burn flags and as their right,
- 7:09Speaker 3: rather than have a government decide what is too provocative
- 7:14Speaker 3: for somebody to say or what they can't do, because
- 7:18Speaker 3: I think the alternative is again a very slippery slope,
- 7:22Speaker 3: and this executive order is a dangerous executive order, I'm
- 7:26Speaker 3: sorry to say. And I know Trump listens to this show.
- 7:29Speaker 3: I know he does, and I know you're doing it.
- 7:31Speaker 3: I know you're doing it out of patriotism, and I
- 7:34Speaker 3: know it because I feel the same way.
- 7:36Speaker 1: I feel furious when you see somebody do that.
- 7:38Speaker 3: In particular, I feel furious when someone from another country
- 7:42Speaker 3: does it.
- 7:45Speaker 1: And that's a little bit different from me.
- 7:46Speaker 3: That's a subtlety within the law that I'd be willing
- 7:49Speaker 3: to swallow hard on because I think those who are
- 7:52Speaker 3: here illegally don't and should it. They do, but they
- 7:55Speaker 3: shouldn't possess the same rights that we do. They don't
- 7:59Speaker 3: possess all the same rights. But I think you get
- 8:01Speaker 3: my point. But you look at the bedrock of what
- 8:11Speaker 3: we are in that free speech. Even Justice Scaisicallya joined
- 8:15Speaker 3: the majority, later saying, if it were if you were king,
- 8:19Speaker 3: he would not allow people to go around burning the
- 8:21Speaker 3: American flag. However, we're in America, and we have a
- 8:26Speaker 3: First Amendment, so it's important that we protect that right
- 8:31Speaker 3: of freedom. And that Tuesday executive order prosecution of the
- 8:37Speaker 3: American flag that has burnt it represents a bold step.
- 8:40Speaker 1: I mean it is.
- 8:41Speaker 3: It's a symbol. It's a symbol for us that hasn't
- 8:43Speaker 3: endured for two hundred and fifty years. It's the embodiment
- 8:45Speaker 3: of American freedom. It's the identity, it's the strength that
- 8:49Speaker 3: we all have right and again I'm not saying.
- 8:52Speaker 1: This is an easy one. This is not an easy one.
- 8:55Speaker 3: It's amazing to me because, like I said on the
- 8:57Speaker 3: outset of this and the discussions that we had.
- 9:00Speaker 1: Today, I would say, of the.
- 9:04Speaker 3: If I got one hundred emails on this topic within
- 9:07Speaker 3: the first couple hours after the show, I would say,
- 9:10Speaker 3: ninety five of them were you shouldn't be able to
- 9:14Speaker 3: burn the flag. And it's not I don't think you should.
- 9:19Speaker 3: It's not that I don't I want you to burn
- 9:21Speaker 3: the flag, of course, not. As I said already, this
- 9:25Speaker 3: is it's a terrible disrespect of America.
- 9:31Speaker 1: But if you start down that road, what's next. We
- 9:37Speaker 1: all love the police.
- 9:39Speaker 3: You're not going to allow somebody to burn a police
- 9:42Speaker 3: flag or a firefighter's flag, or what about an army
- 9:44Speaker 3: flag or a marine flag or a navy flag, or
- 9:47Speaker 3: a hat or a shirt that says Navy on it.
- 9:51Speaker 1: Where does it stop.
- 9:53Speaker 3: I know it's a symbol of freedom, and I know
- 9:55Speaker 3: it's vitally important. And I know Trump and Bondy in
- 9:58Speaker 3: this case, have you know, sort of spelled out specifics
- 10:03Speaker 3: in this and our targeting illegals? I get that, But
- 10:10Speaker 3: I'm looking at the broad.
- 10:11Speaker 1: Picture of this.
- 10:12Speaker 3: I'm looking at what it does to us as a nation,
- 10:17Speaker 3: freedom wise, free speech wise.
- 10:20Speaker 1: I don't think you want to go down this road. Now.
- 10:24Speaker 3: Our founding fathers would not have been happy with this.
- 10:27Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about this. The architects
- 10:30Speaker 3: of American liberty, I mean, they didn't directly look into
- 10:34Speaker 3: this because there were really no reasons to do that,
- 10:37Speaker 3: as we really didn't adopt the modern flag until seventeen
- 10:41Speaker 3: seventy seven. It wasn't even fully developed as a national
- 10:45Speaker 3: symbol until the Revolutionary War era.
- 10:48Speaker 1: But the point would they have been disgusted?
- 10:50Speaker 3: Of course they would have been disgusted, But I think
- 10:54Speaker 3: in this case, our fearless leader I don't like Maybe
- 10:58Speaker 3: if you're not an America con citizen, you can't burn
- 11:01Speaker 3: the flag.
- 11:02Speaker 1: I probably could live.
- 11:02Speaker 3: With that, but I think when you start heading down
- 11:06Speaker 3: the road that is well as we'll say slippery, to
- 11:12Speaker 3: say the least, you're opening up an ugly can of worms.
- 11:17Speaker 3: And I know you're doing it, mister President, out of
- 11:19Speaker 3: pure patriotism.
- 11:21Speaker 1: All right.
- 11:21Speaker 3: My name is Lee Elsie, Voice of Freedom. You can
- 11:23Speaker 3: email me Lee els Radio at gmail dot com. Would
- 11:26Speaker 3: love to hear from you at the Gateway Pundit, where
- 11:27Speaker 3: you can find us, Untamed Nation, where you can find
- 11:29Speaker 3: us Root for America, where you can find us all
- 11:31Speaker 3: the great radio stations.
- 11:32Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. A lot to
- 11:34Speaker 1: get to you tonight.
- 11:35Speaker 4: Stick around everybody, all right, A special treat for you.
- 11:51Speaker 5: I want to introduce you to a real hero of
- 11:53Speaker 5: the American energy industry, a legend, Mark Brunner, founder and
- 11:57Speaker 5: CEO of Lost Soldier Oil and Gas GUS in the
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- 12:06Speaker 5: centered gas accumulation. This is code for a monster field
- 12:11Speaker 5: where gas or oil is in a basin, which makes
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- 12:20Speaker 5: about your track record.
- 12:22Speaker 6: Well, I'm a second generation oil and gas guy. My
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- 12:27Speaker 6: tech Star. It later became Texas Oil and Gas. When
- 12:31Speaker 6: it sold out to US Steel, it was the largest
- 12:33Speaker 6: independent in the world. Dell High Pipelines was the largest
- 12:36Speaker 6: gas distribution system in the United States when it sold
- 12:40Speaker 6: out to a US Steel. I worked with him for
- 12:42Speaker 6: four years. I've been in the oil and gas ever since.
- 12:46Speaker 6: You would probably know me better as the chairman of
- 12:49Speaker 6: Ultra Petroleum, and Ultra had a pretty good track record,
- 12:53Speaker 6: which you're very familiar with.
- 12:55Speaker 5: I think, well, I think ten thousand dollars investor in
- 12:58Speaker 5: Ultra turned it into thirty I've seen million dollars. Is
- 13:01Speaker 5: that correct in the nine year run of your publicly
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- 13:05Speaker 6: Yeah, at the high that's true.
- 13:06Speaker 5: Ten thousand dollars turn into thirteen million. That means one
- 13:09Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars turn into one hundred and thirty million.
- 13:11Speaker 5: That's an incredible track record. Now tell me why this
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- 13:19Speaker 5: about projects and deals all the time. What makes this
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- 13:23Speaker 6: Mark what's special about this is all the other basines
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- 13:29Speaker 6: years what they are. This one could not be drilled
- 13:31Speaker 6: because there was a uranium mine out here. Until it
- 13:34Speaker 6: was reclimated three years ago, no one could drill it.
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- 13:45Speaker 6: five percent empty. So we made this discovery. We are
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- 13:52Speaker 6: can see that we've got enough room for five hundred
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- 13:58Speaker 6: Very exciting. It's the new in the United States, and
- 14:02Speaker 6: as far as I'm concerned, this is an order of
- 14:04Speaker 6: a magnitude bigger than Ultra Petroleum, the one that I did.
- 14:08Speaker 7: All right.
- 14:08Speaker 5: The website is Lost Soldier dot com. Pretty simple stuff,
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- 14:16Speaker 5: forty years to piece together. It's called Lost Soldier Oil
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- 14:40Speaker 1: Thanks Mark for being with us today.
- 14:43Speaker 6: Thank you Wayne, good to see you again.
- 15:01Speaker 3: Welcome back to everyone. Warzone is the name of the show.
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- 15:08Speaker 3: Wednesday of next week. He's getting I think he's getting
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- 16:16Speaker 3: I talk a lot about crime. I'm going to talk
- 16:18Speaker 3: about crime again maybe in a little while. Trump's approval
- 16:21Speaker 3: ratings up five points in the past month.
- 16:24Speaker 1: That's a pretty good deal.
- 16:27Speaker 3: So Trump is is making some positive inroads with some
- 16:30Speaker 3: folks who maybe weren't all that big fans of him
- 16:34Speaker 3: maybe a month ago, two months ago, three months ago.
- 16:37Speaker 3: Gases down, prices seemingly aren't down.
- 16:39Speaker 1: It seems like, you know, here's the thing about Trump.
- 16:42Speaker 1: It's like every day there's something else.
- 16:44Speaker 3: Every day there is something else that this guy in
- 16:48Speaker 3: this administration is doing. It's it's really remarkable things that
- 16:51Speaker 3: you don't even think about. I'm not sure if I
- 16:53Speaker 3: talked about this, I mean think About a week ago,
- 16:56Speaker 3: they were talking about painting the wall black so that
- 17:00Speaker 3: it would make it hotter for the migrants who are
- 17:04Speaker 3: trying to cross illegally, making it more uncomfortable.
- 17:07Speaker 1: Who thinks of that? Brilliant? But there's always.
- 17:10Speaker 3: Something going on behind the wheels, and they're always trying
- 17:13Speaker 3: to figure out a way, I think, to make America better.
- 17:16Speaker 8: Now.
- 17:16Speaker 1: A lot of folks don't agree with that.
- 17:18Speaker 3: A lot of folks can't stand the Orange Man, a
- 17:21Speaker 3: lot of folks can't stand as policies. A lot of
- 17:23Speaker 3: folks can't deal with some of that stuff. But you know,
- 17:27Speaker 3: I want to play you. I want you to hear.
- 17:29Speaker 3: Let me make sure I have it right in front
- 17:31Speaker 3: of me. I want you to hear what the stupidity
- 17:33Speaker 3: sounds like. If you don't mind, I hope you guys
- 17:35Speaker 3: can hear this.
- 17:35Speaker 5: This is not Germany, that's the ass and they got
- 17:40Speaker 5: stopp Oh, this is the United States of America.
- 17:43Speaker 1: Unmask yourself.
- 17:45Speaker 3: That's a Congressman Larson here in Connecticut. And so in
- 17:49Speaker 3: Connecticut there's been some ice raids and agents going after
- 17:53Speaker 3: some people, and they got the masks on so they
- 17:56Speaker 3: can protect their identity and our every single person in
- 18:00Speaker 3: the state of Connecticut's a Liberal, and every single person
- 18:02Speaker 3: in the state of Connecticut's a Democrat. And talk about
- 18:04Speaker 3: the politicians. It's been that way since I think two
- 18:06Speaker 3: thousand and six. Every congress person, every Senator has since
- 18:09Speaker 3: two thousand and six has been a dem And larsen
- 18:12Speaker 3: Is he's been around since there's been dirt. But you know,
- 18:19Speaker 3: he's fired up because the ICE agents don't want to
- 18:21Speaker 3: take their masks off because they don't want people coming
- 18:24Speaker 3: to their homes and violently attacking them.
- 18:27Speaker 1: It's a this is different.
- 18:28Speaker 3: They have to keep the innanimity as best they can
- 18:31Speaker 3: because there's violent people that.
- 18:33Speaker 1: They're going after.
- 18:34Speaker 3: So I just wanted to play that because I just
- 18:37Speaker 3: wasn't sure if you knew exactly what stupidity sounds like.
- 18:40Speaker 3: Here's something interesting that I wanted to share with you.
- 18:44Speaker 3: Rape crimes. And that's not a very fun subject, but
- 18:47Speaker 3: rape crimes over in Europe. So in the year two
- 18:51Speaker 3: thousand in England they reported to eight five hundred and
- 18:56Speaker 3: ninety three rapes, in Germany eight thousand and thirty three
- 18:59Speaker 3: rape in France seventy five hundred rapes.
- 19:02Speaker 1: That was in year two thousand.
- 19:04Speaker 3: Now you know about the mass migration of Muslims to
- 19:08Speaker 3: both to England, Germany and France, and in Poland. Poland
- 19:12Speaker 3: has stopped the Muslim invasion. They don't let Muslims in
- 19:17Speaker 3: in Poland. In two thousand, there were twenty three hundred
- 19:19Speaker 3: ninety nine rapes. Now, pay attention. Like I said, that
- 19:22Speaker 3: was the year two thousand.
- 19:23Speaker 1: In twenty twenty.
- 19:24Speaker 3: Three, there were sixty eight thousand rapes in England. That's
- 19:30Speaker 3: sixty thousand.
- 19:31Speaker 1: More rapes in the same time time frame.
- 19:33Speaker 3: In Germany there were thirty nine thousand rapes, that's thirty
- 19:36Speaker 3: one thousand more rapes. In France forty two thousand, four
- 19:39Speaker 3: hundred rapes in the year twenty twenty three, and Poland
- 19:43Speaker 3: rapes went down. I've warned you guys about this mass
- 19:48Speaker 3: migration and the refusal to assimilate, and the way two
- 19:52Speaker 3: cultures collide and.
- 19:54Speaker 1: Can't and will never ever be able to coexist.
- 19:58Speaker 3: I just wanted to share those there's few topics with
- 20:02Speaker 3: you to get your wheel spinning. What we are going
- 20:05Speaker 3: to do next is we are going to tackle economics. Yeah,
- 20:10Speaker 3: economics with my good pal Hans Desbane from the University
- 20:14Speaker 3: well UMass Amherst is a brilliant economist. He's a teacher,
- 20:19Speaker 3: a professor, professor, and all that great stuff. We've chatted
- 20:22Speaker 3: with him before in the past, so we're going to
- 20:23Speaker 3: do it again the next half hour. We'll talk about
- 20:25Speaker 3: the economics of Trump and America and the world with
- 20:28Speaker 3: my friend Han Desbane.
- 20:29Speaker 1: Stick around for that, everybody, Hi, It's Wayne L. Root
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- 22:04Speaker 3: All right, everybody, welcome back Warzone. My name is Lee
- 22:08Speaker 3: Elsie filling in for Wayne Allen Root. Please email me
- 22:10Speaker 3: le elsieradio at gmail dot com. Love to hear what
- 22:12Speaker 3: you have.
- 22:13Speaker 1: To say about some of the things that we talk about.
- 22:15Speaker 3: You can watch what's going on at the gatewaypundit dot com,
- 22:19Speaker 3: one of the most heavily traffic conservative websites in the
- 22:22Speaker 3: entire country.
- 22:23Speaker 1: Untamed Nation dot com has us up there as well.
- 22:25Speaker 1: Of course, you can.
- 22:26Speaker 3: Always go to Root's website Rootfoamerica dot com and watch
- 22:31Speaker 3: and listen wherever you may be. We are just very
- 22:34Speaker 3: excited to have you along for the ride. One of
- 22:37Speaker 3: our good friends, one of my good pals, and a
- 22:40Speaker 3: great friend of my morning show here in Connecticut. I've
- 22:42Speaker 3: had him on many, many many times here in the
- 22:44Speaker 3: last couple of years. He is an expert in all
- 22:46Speaker 3: things economics. He's a professor. He is a lecturer. He
- 22:50Speaker 3: is a writer all that bauld into one. His name
- 22:55Speaker 3: is Hans Desbain and he joins us right now. Hans,
- 22:57Speaker 3: how are you tonight? I appreciate you carving out some
- 22:59Speaker 3: time wars.
- 23:02Speaker 8: Hey Ley, how are you nice? See?
- 23:05Speaker 1: I'm doing good, buddy.
- 23:06Speaker 3: Listen, I gotta throw a curveball at you right away
- 23:08Speaker 3: and maybe we'll get ourselves in trouble.
- 23:10Speaker 1: Last time it last time you were on the show to.
- 23:13Speaker 3: Talk about economics with me, we wound up talking about
- 23:16Speaker 3: faith for about forty minutes. So I wanted to ask
- 23:21Speaker 3: you though I opened the show, I don't know if
- 23:22Speaker 3: you were I don't know if you were watching when
- 23:24Speaker 3: we opened the show today, but I took a position
- 23:27Speaker 3: on the burning of the flag, flag burning, and I
- 23:30Speaker 3: wanted to get your opinion on that because overwhelmingly the
- 23:34Speaker 3: listeners feel one way, and I was just curious how
- 23:37Speaker 3: you felt.
- 23:39Speaker 10: I was unable to tune in, but I was listening
- 23:42Speaker 10: to your morning show when your brother was on, so no,
- 23:46Speaker 10: I got a preview that that's what you're going to
- 23:49Speaker 10: lead in tonight with look I would say, I agree
- 23:55Speaker 10: with your brother, and I'm sure that there's lots of
- 23:58Speaker 10: listeners' viewers out there that have not you know, don't
- 24:01Speaker 10: know what your brother's view was, but you know, it's
- 24:04Speaker 10: the First Amendment, right, and.
- 24:07Speaker 8: You know, I think that should be protected.
- 24:10Speaker 10: And at the same time, I think what ends up happening,
- 24:15Speaker 10: which was not said at least on this morning show.
- 24:17Speaker 10: You can fill me in on what was said tonight.
- 24:22Speaker 10: But you know, you burn a flag, and you know
- 24:25Speaker 10: that's like putting a swastika on your you know shirt, It's.
- 24:31Speaker 1: Not going to go well.
- 24:32Speaker 10: So I don't know that you need a whole lot
- 24:35Speaker 10: of laws to outlawed. You know, it's unless there's, you know,
- 24:42Speaker 10: a really good case for being in opposition to something
- 24:48Speaker 10: that's going on domestically.
- 24:50Speaker 8: Burning of the flag is always going.
- 24:52Speaker 10: To be a condemnation of the person that does that action.
- 24:57Speaker 3: I actually, surprise, surprise, Hans, I agree with that. I mean,
- 25:02Speaker 3: I'm torn by it because I think I think it's
- 25:05Speaker 3: a hard well, I think it's a horrible thing to do.
- 25:07Speaker 1: I think it you'd like to.
- 25:08Speaker 3: But I think what you had said is really well
- 25:10Speaker 3: articulated and that it actually you know, it puts a
- 25:13Speaker 3: bulls eye and I don't necessarily mean a bulls eye
- 25:16Speaker 3: in the bull's eye sense. But it puts a bulls
- 25:17Speaker 3: eye in somebody's back saying you're not one of me.
- 25:20Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to do business with you.
- 25:21Speaker 3: I don't want to be your friend. I don't want
- 25:23Speaker 3: to know you. If you're burning something that I treasure
- 25:25Speaker 3: and I and I feel like is part of my
- 25:28Speaker 3: life is very patriotic.
- 25:30Speaker 8: So i'm i'm.
- 25:32Speaker 10: I'm often opposed to a lot of economic policy that
- 25:35Speaker 10: goes on right, whatever whatever that may be.
- 25:39Speaker 8: So you know.
- 25:41Speaker 10: This will be a little bit of a seguey we
- 25:43Speaker 10: can stay on the topic though, But you know, I've
- 25:46Speaker 10: been somebody that has believed since the nineteen nineties when
- 25:50Speaker 10: I was in graduate school, that we need targeted tariffs,
- 25:54Speaker 10: and so when Trump came in and implemented that, you know,
- 25:59Speaker 10: I supported it. But going back to the nineteen nineties,
- 26:02Speaker 10: I you know, to be critical of US foreign economic
- 26:08Speaker 10: policy is a perfectly fine position to take. But if
- 26:14Speaker 10: I go and I burn a flag to bring attention
- 26:16Speaker 10: to it, I.
- 26:17Speaker 8: Think I lose the argument. So you know, I think
- 26:21Speaker 8: that it should be protected.
- 26:23Speaker 10: But having laws, as you and your brother talked about
- 26:28Speaker 10: this morning, is your brother articulated right as authoritarian and.
- 26:33Speaker 8: I don't think you need it. I don't think you
- 26:36Speaker 8: need to take that step.
- 26:38Speaker 1: And it's funny, I think no.
- 26:40Speaker 3: And again I agree with that, And it hurts me
- 26:45Speaker 3: to agree with that, because anybody can get up, I think,
- 26:49Speaker 3: and yell and scream in this case, and say it's
- 26:52Speaker 3: not patriotic and pound your fist on the table and
- 26:55Speaker 3: take that stance and have that position.
- 26:57Speaker 1: And I get it right.
- 26:58Speaker 3: And I actually think that's probably what the president is doing.
- 27:01Speaker 1: I don't think he's doing this out of any malice
- 27:03Speaker 1: or anger.
- 27:03Speaker 3: I think, well, anger, yes, but I don't think he's
- 27:05Speaker 3: I think he's doing it because he thinks it's not patriotic.
- 27:08Speaker 3: And I think he's trying to be patriotic in this case.
- 27:10Speaker 3: I don't think he's trying to be anything else. But
- 27:12Speaker 3: what we have hans that everybody else around the world
- 27:15Speaker 3: doesn't have, is we have this ability to speak our
- 27:18Speaker 3: mind at all times, right as long as you're not
- 27:20Speaker 3: inciting a riot, et cetera.
- 27:22Speaker 1: And that makes us different than anywhere else, and I
- 27:23Speaker 1: think we have to hold on to that.
- 27:27Speaker 10: Well, look, I'll say of Trump, you know, he has
- 27:31Speaker 10: a very good pulse of where the country is at.
- 27:35Speaker 10: You know, he he is quite masterful at it, and
- 27:40Speaker 10: I think he knows that on this issue, eighty percent
- 27:44Speaker 10: of the country I think is going to be on
- 27:47Speaker 10: the side that you shouldn't burn a flag. You know,
- 27:50Speaker 10: it's for the same reason as I say, you lose
- 27:52Speaker 10: the argument as soon as you do it, probably ninety
- 27:56Speaker 10: five percent of the time. So I think that's what
- 28:01Speaker 10: Trump's up to with it. And now whether or not
- 28:04Speaker 10: anybody would go to prison, you know, there's all kinds
- 28:08Speaker 10: of doubts that that's actually what would happen.
- 28:14Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, I just wanted to get your
- 28:16Speaker 3: opinion on that. And I'm not necessarily trying to start
- 28:20Speaker 3: a fight with anybody out there, because I think everything
- 28:23Speaker 3: that is coming at me, at least through social media
- 28:25Speaker 3: and emails, it's born out of against true I think
- 28:28Speaker 3: these people are true patriots. I just think, you know,
- 28:30Speaker 3: their protection of the flag in this case. You know,
- 28:33Speaker 3: as I said, what if I burned a shirt with
- 28:35Speaker 3: a flag on it, or a hat that was a
- 28:37Speaker 3: Navy hat or a hat that was a Marine hat.
- 28:39Speaker 3: And where are we stopping this? At what point in
- 28:41Speaker 3: time do we stop it? Is it just the flag?
- 28:43Speaker 3: Is it just the American flag? What about the police flag,
- 28:46Speaker 3: what about a firefighter flag? What about an honor and
- 28:49Speaker 3: remember flag for our veterans who have fallen? Like, where
- 28:52Speaker 3: are we drawing that line?
- 28:56Speaker 7: Well, that's exactly right, and that's you know, it just
- 29:00Speaker 7: reveals something very unique about human beings that we have,
- 29:04Speaker 7: you know, symbolic capacities.
- 29:08Speaker 10: That, as far as we know, animals don't have at all,
- 29:12Speaker 10: we can react to. You know that a flag is
- 29:15Speaker 10: just a fabric, you know, but it means something.
- 29:20Speaker 8: You know that that meaning.
- 29:23Speaker 10: Is important, you know. Yeah, so I agree that's an
- 29:26Speaker 10: important thing to taking.
- 29:29Speaker 3: All right, Well, I know we're a little bit into
- 29:32Speaker 3: this and we can shift gears and see what we
- 29:34Speaker 3: can get through. I hope you can stick around with
- 29:36Speaker 3: us as long as you possibly can. Hans despan is
- 29:38Speaker 3: our guest economics lecturer again. UMass Amherst is where he
- 29:43Speaker 3: is currently at and they're lucky.
- 29:45Speaker 1: To have him. So I know, I threw this at
- 29:47Speaker 1: you real quick.
- 29:49Speaker 3: The US economy expanded by three point three percent in
- 29:52Speaker 3: the second quarter, a growth that I best. I guess
- 29:54Speaker 3: it's even stronger than they originally thought. What's your thoughts
- 29:58Speaker 3: on this?
- 30:02Speaker 10: It's remarkable, you know, Uh, Anybody that listens to your
- 30:08Speaker 10: morning show knows that although I've thought we needed targeted tariffs,
- 30:13Speaker 10: I've been critical of sort of these universal tariffs that
- 30:16Speaker 10: Trump composed in April.
- 30:18Speaker 8: And by the way, the.
- 30:19Speaker 10: Tariffs really haven't gone into effect until about the last
- 30:24Speaker 10: few weeks. I'm a little suspicious on what the the
- 30:31Speaker 10: Trump universal tariffs will mean for the for the US
- 30:37Speaker 10: economy and the global economy. This uh GDP data is
- 30:44Speaker 10: absolutely remarkable. The they i it would not have captured
- 30:50Speaker 10: any any of the tariffs going into effect, but there is
- 30:54Speaker 10: sentiment and so people will act on anticipation of the tariffs.
- 30:59Speaker 10: In the doesn't seem to have effect affected the economy
- 31:03Speaker 10: in a negative way.
- 31:05Speaker 8: The caveat here Lee.
- 31:06Speaker 10: Is very important if you scrutinize the data. If you
- 31:11Speaker 10: remember your macro one oh one or whatever it was
- 31:15Speaker 10: numbered when you took it.
- 31:17Speaker 8: In college.
- 31:19Speaker 10: Consumption, spending, investment spending, government spending, and then imports and
- 31:24Speaker 10: exports the international sector. The primary reason that we saw
- 31:30Speaker 10: the GDP numbers go up is because of imports going down.
- 31:35Speaker 10: They're negative in that equation, so imports went down even
- 31:40Speaker 10: though the tariffs haven't been in full effect in that
- 31:42Speaker 10: second quarter, and so there hasn't been any sort of
- 31:47Speaker 10: remarkably good news domestically except for their imports going down.
- 31:52Speaker 8: And I will say to.
- 31:55Speaker 10: Let me be a little bit more accurate than that,
- 31:57Speaker 10: consumption spending went up. So this is a little bit
- 32:02Speaker 10: strange because consumer sentiment is very very low right now,
- 32:06Speaker 10: so they're kind of moving in opposite directions there. So
- 32:09Speaker 10: that's good news for the Trump economy. The consumption spending
- 32:11Speaker 10: actually went up. In investment spending went down significantly, maybe
- 32:19Speaker 10: let me rephrase it.
- 32:20Speaker 8: It went down.
- 32:24Speaker 10: In a way that is concerning, and government spending is flat,
- 32:31Speaker 10: So I hope that makes a little bit of sense.
- 32:32Speaker 10: Consumption is spending up, import spending down a lot, which
- 32:36Speaker 10: is a negative, so it raises it. Investment spending went down.
- 32:41Speaker 1: Hans Desbaning is with us. Music is playing, Hans.
- 32:43Speaker 3: You can stick around, I hope for another segment at least. Sure,
- 32:48Speaker 3: all right, great, Hans Destbaaning is with us. He has
- 32:51Speaker 3: nothing to sell, he has no website for you to
- 32:54Speaker 3: go to. He's just Han because he loves America, loves economy,
- 33:00Speaker 3: talking about all this stuff, and.
- 33:02Speaker 1: We love having them, so we appreciate that.
- 33:04Speaker 3: By the way, watch on the Gateway, Pundit, untamed Nation
- 33:06Speaker 3: dot com, Root for America dot Com, as well all
- 33:09Speaker 3: of the great radio stations from one coast to another.
- 33:13Speaker 1: We are on it, and I am on it, and
- 33:15Speaker 1: you're on it. Don't leave.
- 33:16Speaker 3: We'll come right back more with Hans Desbane when we return.
- 33:19Speaker 1: Stick around.
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- 36:39Speaker 3: All right, here we go warzone in effect one coast
- 36:42Speaker 3: to another. Are good pal Hans Desbain, economics s lecturer
- 36:45Speaker 3: over at you, mass Amhurst is with us.
- 36:48Speaker 1: And before we get to the naty gritty.
- 36:50Speaker 3: Of the finances of some of this stuff, I want
- 36:52Speaker 3: to get your opinion.
- 36:53Speaker 1: Should Travis Kelsey demand a pre nup?
- 36:55Speaker 3: Hans, you think that's a good idea?
- 37:00Speaker 5: No?
- 37:00Speaker 8: Yes, holy moment.
- 37:03Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is what Lee does to.
- 37:05Speaker 10: Me on this morning show. He throws me these curve
- 37:07Speaker 10: balls and I'm a little more comfortable. But yes, he definitely,
- 37:13Speaker 10: definitely he should get a clean up that he gets
- 37:17Speaker 10: the money.
- 37:17Speaker 8: If it doesn't work.
- 37:18Speaker 3: Out, well, yeah, I think so. I think he's got
- 37:21Speaker 3: to try to get some of that cash.
- 37:23Speaker 8: All right.
- 37:24Speaker 3: You wanted to hit a few points, a few more
- 37:26Speaker 3: points with tariffs, my friend, before we run out of time.
- 37:30Speaker 2: Sure.
- 37:30Speaker 10: Yeah, well, look they are still in development.
- 37:37Speaker 8: Uh.
- 37:38Speaker 10: The main point that I have made about the tariffs
- 37:40Speaker 10: is that Trump administration, in my interpretation you can disagree
- 37:45Speaker 10: with this, has has been political. It's not entirely clear
- 37:49Speaker 10: to me with what they're up to it up to
- 37:52Speaker 10: with it except for they want to establish a new
- 37:57Speaker 10: institutional order on the globe economy, and I think we
- 38:02Speaker 10: have to be open minded about that. If the longer
- 38:05Speaker 10: they're in place, I'm worried that it will be a
- 38:09Speaker 10: negative impact. I think what the Trump administration needs to
- 38:12Speaker 10: keep in mind is whether or not the disadvantage in
- 38:17Speaker 10: the US that put Trump into office are being benefited
- 38:22Speaker 10: by the current action.
- 38:25Speaker 3: Hans Deathbin is with us, right, Okay, but I didn't
- 38:31Speaker 3: mean to cut you off. If you were, I thought, no, No,
- 38:32Speaker 3: I didn't mean to cut you off. Did you have
- 38:34Speaker 3: anything else to add to the tariffs?
- 38:36Speaker 1: Okay?
- 38:36Speaker 3: Yeah, I ran before I ran across this. I just
- 38:39Speaker 3: wanted to get your opinion on this. It's not terrifs,
- 38:41Speaker 3: but it had the countries with the highest wealth per
- 38:44Speaker 3: person in twenty twenty five, and Switzerland leads an average
- 38:49Speaker 3: with a wealth of six hundred and eighty seven thousand
- 38:51Speaker 3: per person but ranks fourth and median wealth, where the
- 38:54Speaker 3: United States is second in average wealth six hundred and
- 38:57Speaker 3: twenty one k, but only fifteenth and median wealth of
- 39:00Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty four thousand.
- 39:02Speaker 1: What does that tell you, Well.
- 39:07Speaker 10: It tells you when you when you when you differentiate,
- 39:11Speaker 10: you know, average and median. What that difference is picking
- 39:17Speaker 10: up in the second in average and then drops the
- 39:21Speaker 10: sixteenth and median. For those of us that don't know
- 39:24Speaker 10: exactly what that means, median is you look at the
- 39:28Speaker 10: people right in the middle and half or above that amount,
- 39:32Speaker 10: half or below that amount. So it tells you there's
- 39:34Speaker 10: a there's a large degree of inequality in the United States,
- 39:39Speaker 10: and I think all administrations need to be very mindful.
- 39:43Speaker 10: As I talked on your show on a regular basis,
- 39:47Speaker 10: Biden's administration, Kamala Harris as a candidate, was spectacularly unmindful
- 39:54Speaker 10: of that. So they could not process why Americans thought
- 39:58Speaker 10: the economy sucked when and inflation was down on, unemployment
- 40:04Speaker 10: was very low, GDP was growing. It was because the
- 40:08Speaker 10: majority Americans weren't participating in that. So the Trump administration
- 40:13Speaker 10: needs to be very mindful of that or they're going
- 40:15Speaker 10: to pay very similar costs that the Biden administration rightfully paid.
- 40:19Speaker 1: Okay, I got one more for you.
- 40:21Speaker 3: Before the music starts playing, This is I thought this
- 40:23Speaker 3: is interesting because we've talked about this before in the past,
- 40:26Speaker 3: but US consumers with the highest credit scores hans are
- 40:30Speaker 3: beginning to fall behind in debt repayments. That according to
- 40:34Speaker 3: a credit scoring company, and one hundred and nine percent
- 40:37Speaker 3: I guess one hundred and nine percent increase of people
- 40:40Speaker 3: not paying their debt.
- 40:41Speaker 1: These are the people with the best credit scores. What
- 40:43Speaker 1: does that say to you.
- 40:47Speaker 8: Well, it says a lot.
- 40:49Speaker 10: Let me say, I think Trump is making a mistake
- 40:52Speaker 10: and he's going to lose in the court when he
- 40:54Speaker 10: starts trying to fire people in the Fed, whether it
- 40:56Speaker 10: be Lisa Cook or or Jerome pal.
- 40:59Speaker 8: I know that wasn't your your.
- 41:00Speaker 10: Comment or question, but the truth of the matter is
- 41:05Speaker 10: those high interest rates hurt the regular typical Americans that
- 41:12Speaker 10: aren't millionaires or more, and so we're going to see
- 41:16Speaker 10: the distressed loan repayment spike going forward. So once you
- 41:24Speaker 10: know this is why Trump wants to see those interest
- 41:27Speaker 10: rates come down, I totally understand why the Federals resisting that.
- 41:32Speaker 10: But that's a really serious battle that they're having between
- 41:36Speaker 10: Treasury or the executive branch in the Federal Reserve. And
- 41:41Speaker 10: I'm an agnostic on who's right or wrong. I'll make
- 41:44Speaker 10: some comments, but both are in hot water right now.
- 41:48Speaker 3: In my opinion, have you seen the credit that people
- 41:52Speaker 3: are running up the credit card you know dead. Has
- 41:54Speaker 3: that come down at all? I know that was a
- 41:55Speaker 3: huge problem under Biden. I don't know under Trumps has
- 41:58Speaker 3: it gone in the other direction at all?
- 42:00Speaker 10: All time record high in all time record high in
- 42:04Speaker 10: credit card debt during the Biden administration. Interest rates went
- 42:10Speaker 10: from twelve percent in twenty nineteen under Trump up to
- 42:14Speaker 10: more than double twenty five percent was the average interest
- 42:18Speaker 10: rate when Biden left office.
- 42:20Speaker 8: That was a disaster.
- 42:21Speaker 10: That's what's put Americans in serious financial distress. Not the
- 42:26Speaker 10: only rooms, but the credit card debt with SIGF can increase.
- 42:29Speaker 1: Right, Hans, you're the best.
- 42:31Speaker 3: Unfortunately I gotta go amount of time, but let's do
- 42:34Speaker 3: it again soon. We'll get you back on the morning
- 42:36Speaker 3: show asap. But have a great holiday weekend.
- 42:38Speaker 8: I appreciate you, man, very good.
- 42:41Speaker 3: All right, all right, but I'm sorry you got it, man,
- 42:44Speaker 3: have a great one. I wish we had more time
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