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  think, Hello, if you wanted to welcome to Thirsty for Gore. Of
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  course, I'm your host, Malenko. And today we're talking about Saw four,
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  two thousand and seven four. I mean, at this point, dude,
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  we're just uh, we're just zipping through these, aren't we. Yeah?
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  Yeah, un do do do do do? Do? Do? Do?
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  Do do do? I mean, I mean, dude, this movie
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  is amazing. It's so funny to talk about these movies with you. Oh
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  god, it's truly, it's truly. This terrible movie is terrible but it's
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  amazing, dude, it's fucking amazing. Yeah, it's it's it really is
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  it really is, uh, the dream Child all the way down this movie
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  is like I get, you know why this is Okay, I get why
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  the franchise goes downhill. I understand, hold on, hold on, you're
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  You're it goes It's it's the Indiana Jones thing that happens, which is every
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  other one isn't good. But it also feels like every movie that happens helps
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  justify elements of the previous movie, which is kind of a bay absolutely clues,
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  dude, write again, outrageous clues. But man, like, okay,
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  we gotta get to Detective Juicy Lips. We gotta we gotta, like,
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  I mean, how are we going to talk about this movie? This
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  is what I feel like. You should probably explain this movie to me and
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  then also to the audience. Hello, Alex, I'd like I'd like to
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  play I'd like to play explain the well, I mean, the explanation is
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  obvious. It's that we start off with the Jigsaw's fifty two year old body
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  naked on the table. Of course, nice dick, dude, you get
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  to see Dick. They saw open his head. It was a nice dick.
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  I was like, Jigsaw has got a nice dick. Yeah, and
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  then stuff, the body looks really good like the dead body Man, the
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  Sloppy balloon mess dude, the goopy sloppy balloons. I was just like,
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  oh man, when they find the like wax tape in his stomach in the
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  bubble stuff. Yeah, it's amazing, dude, all the goopy shows,
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  it's so goofy. Dude, Hoffmann comes in. That's that's I'm assuming that's
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  who you mean by juicy lips. Detective juicy lips, oh Man, detective
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  you know who he reminds me of. Actually he kind of gives me rod
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  decantimonious vibes. Well, speaking of disanct demonious. Okay, do the fucking
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  lawyer. I know we're gonna get to it, but oh my god,
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  if they ever ever ever need to, I hope that guy's practicing his Trump
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  impression, because holy shit, if you just slap a Trump wig on him,
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  you'd be like I need a seven thousand Yeah totally. And it's like,
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  literally, he just needs to practice truth essential. So what's kind of
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  cool about this is because he's so okay, so Hoffman, who's Juicy Lips,
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  who's wrong wrong to sanctimonias, he is the shifty guy from the last
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  one where it's like, oh, like, I don't know what you're talking
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  about. I'm not a shifty guy at all. I'm not being set up
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  for a fourth movie at all, dude. Where I accurately predicted in the
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  last episode that he's going to be a disciple of Jigsaw, and you were
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  like, no, no, not that, yeah, pretty much, and
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  it was I think, yes, yes, yeah, it totally is.
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  I think yes, yes, But thank you for thank you for doing that,
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  because I was like, wait, Alex told me it was a detective
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  juicy lift, so it must be someone else, but it was jy List.
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  But it's interesting too because the movie sets that up right away in a
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  similar way as you fucking Batch fucked right where you just kind of like it
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  sets it up, and then the entire movie makes you forget about him almost
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  immediately, like the movie Jigsaw goes just because you think I'm dead, you
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  think this is over, You're the last man's standing. It kind of like
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  reveals uh, the thing right away, and it's like, oh, the
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  games have just begun with this one. It has. It suffers from the
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  same problem as the second one, which is like they're just too many characters
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  and too many like actors to keep track of, and it's like, wait,
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  what's going on? Is this being confusing on brand is? Of course
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  it is. It's a Saw movie. So in the first scene, he
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  gets his stomach cut out with the wax tape that he magically swallows, which
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  he wouldn't have been able to swallow, let's be honest. And then we
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  cut to like the recording Hoffman gets exposing him as the like deep state killer
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  for for that's been doing it the whole time for Jigsaw. And then we
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  get a guy with his eyes sewn shut, and another guy like a kind
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  of hank looking guy. He's total a hank looking guy. And then tied
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  to a chain with another guy who can't looks like who can't open give me
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  he's got his lips what's it called sewn together and they're part of like in
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  a chain gang together chains that are gonna mush them together or whatever, and
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  one of them has to kill the other to get the key on the back
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  of each other's necks. His mouth is son shut, dude, because he
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  his freedom of speech is being taken away. Oh totally absolutely truth, Yeah,
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  totally, and and like he he's like pretty, he's pretty awesome.
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  I like this character a lot. Actually, they do a lot with him,
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  and he does do the like he escapes and then pulls the he like
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  opens his mouth and like pulls out all the wires from the mouth, and
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  it's it's kind of an awesome opening sequence, right the the like the like
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  fight between the two of them and the like high stakes of this, like
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  uh an eyes soone shut guy versus a mouth zone shut guy was really cool
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  and like at first I was like does he want them to work together or
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  like you know, but but like then like, uh, Donald J.
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  Trump decides to just savagely like fucking take care of this ship. Because the
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  big guy keeps thinking like oh no, like he I hear him, but
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  he's not saying anything. He's trying to do something to me, so he's
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  yeah, and the other other guy kind of like is like hedging his bets
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  because he's like, fuck, this guy thinks I'm the killer. I better
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  just kill him then survive exactly. And then we jumped to our last real
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  connection to the first sauce which is Riggs, who like, I don't know
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  if this dude's been doing, but his traps are looking amazing. He's son
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  in the ship, dude, I like, I like when he was just
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  like fucking rip. He's like, are you obsessing about Jigsaw and working out?
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  Is that all you do? That's all all this dude does. That's
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  what he got. He got and he he gets he gets freaked out because
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  he thinks the carry is the live and and oh man, the rats on
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  Carrie and then the one police officer gonna get those fucking rats offer. It's
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  just like those scenes like like just like the kind of like body horror stuff,
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  but also the like very like TV actors, the very like CSI Miami
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  actude. It's so I Miami Now, there's no like Donnie is in it
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  and don be in it. I think his rolling this is amazing. But
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  because he like leads into the TV aspect just as much as Justin Bieber leaned
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  into being shot in that one uh uh whatever that that crime drama show was
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  that he was in. But Lieutenant Riggs like, whenever you kind of doubt
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  how much the like side character of the previous movie is gonna step up in
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  this one. You always have to give them the benefit of the doubt because
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  they always deliver so much. They get progressively more you'll notice this as the
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  series goes on. But also because all the TV actors start happening the show
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  that the show the movies get progressively a weirder and more hostile. Like all
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  the actors become so much more hostile because none of them have the like nuance
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  of a Danny Glover or a fucking Eric Matthews or like like you know,
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  playing off each other, like like Tobin Bell and like the other characters in
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  like some of the other movies, all of the original guys get sort of
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  lost in the shuffle and then like man like all like you'll see in the
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  rest of them too, like everybody ups the t and starts acting like they're
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  in the movie Prometheus, where they're just like intense to each other and it's
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  like, whoa dude, we're friends, Like why are you been naming this
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  way? And Hoffman being like a sketchy dude of being like looking at the
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  different mottos that Jigsaw supposedly is leaving behind, Oh dude, it's kind of
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  amazing, Like the amount of infrastructural Like I'm beginning to think that Jigsaw is
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  the deep State, dude, Like the amount of infrastructural like aid that this
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  one man has and so many of the things. He kissed his sister in
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  this movie, dude, because I was like, I was, like,
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  he is a fucking landlord. He is. He's like a like a rich
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  philanthropist who's trying to like help the youth, but turns out to be like
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  a misguided, misguided Batman type. He's like what Batman would be for in
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  real life of like judging people, like judging sex workers in this like go
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  home, sweetheart, Yeah, totally, you're You're a beautiful girl. Go
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  home. It's like it also doesn't feel like Jigsaw in this one. Like
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  maybe she won, maybe this is her career path, dude, but like
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  like she maybe like you know, like you don't know this Jigsaw passing judgment
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  Jigsaw. Yeah, this this one doesn't feel to me anyway. It doesn't
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  feel as much like Jigsaw as as the rest of the three, because like
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  he feels a little bit less epic and glorious. It feels a little bit
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  more it's less mind freak. It's kind of pathetic. Now it is kind
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  of pathetic, but like you'll see, they they this one. This is
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  kind of to me, this is the lowest point of the series and then
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  it goes back and then it comes back down. But what did you think
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  of Agent Perez and Agent Peter Strom? Dude? I love Peter Strom,
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  I think I love I love them so much. I love them so much,
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  and we'll get to them. But can I tell you my thirsty for
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  more for this movie? Quickly? Okay, I'm right here, I'm fine.
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  Can I tell you my thirsty for more for this movie? Ye?
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  Okay. So when this movie came out, I was like deeply it was
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  two thousand and seven. I was deeply entrenched in the like local like nine
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  oh five southern Ontario, like suburb scene of like you know THEO and NJ
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  all of their bands, so like the like you know, ghost stories and
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  like fucking like you know I spoke and like straw Men, Fallacy bands like
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  that, and like I was, I was going to those shows. I
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  was playing those shows, and like there was a band there were these like
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  small bands that would come out, like these super bands of like local scene
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  members who would just like break up and join different bands. Yeah, And
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  there was a band around the time that this movie came out called Soft Floors.
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  Yeah, And I think you see where I'm going with this. Eventually
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  people kept going to be like, Hey, I'm gonna are you gonna go
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  see soft Wore tonight? And I kept thinking they were saying, see the
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  band's Soft Floors. And I wasn't the only person that this happened to.
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  In fact, there was a thread. There was a thread on the message
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  board that was a local message board at the time that was like soft Floors
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  or saw For And like it happened enough times that people were like, what
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  you're gonna go see Soft Floors? No saw For? And anyway, I'm
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  gonna maybe if I can find some of their music, I'm gonna put put
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  it in as a drop. But yeah, isn't that so weird? Yeah,
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  that's hilarious. I love that. That's great. What a weird little
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  like it was just a moment in time. This band existed for like a
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  year. They only existed for you Give Me a Break? Yeah, Yeah,
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  And it just so happened to be the year when this movie came out,
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  two thousand and seven. Great year movie. There will be blood and
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  no country for the same year. Some people say they're just as good as
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  as each other, but everyone knows it's there will be. Blood is better.
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  It's just a little bit. It's just a little bit better. It's
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  more poignant, it's more poignant. The audience may disagree, but they're wrong
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  in terms of Strong and Perez Strong being like, oh, dude, and
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  how they like hide things from the local police department because their FBI they suspect
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  something. Dude, two of their officers are in danger. Dude. But
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  who. I really found it interesting that Strong was just immediately like, oh,
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  well, this this lady that they helped, and Hoffman is like,
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  well, Amanda was there. And John Kramer, John Kramer, the cancer
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  pation who can't lift things. He's brains, not braun. There must be
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  another guy. And he's like, no, there isn't another guy. Well
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  okay, So like this is where it kind of gets like very deceptively schemey
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  in a way where I'm like, you're like undermined. You're a disciple of
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  Jigsaw, so you believe in his principles, but you're not following his principles.
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  Are you just the copycat? Like what is this like, did he
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  sanction this is this Jigsaw sanctioned well activities? Do you want me? Well?
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  I mean I guess like that's a question for the next movie, right,
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  Yeah, can you just confirm that, yes, it is. It
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  is a question Detective Juicy Lips. Yeah, Juicy Lips Hoffman. Hoffman is
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  Juicy Lips. And you know, I like the thing is what this movie
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  does is it tries to pull away. It tries to pull focus away from
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  Hoffman, and focus is so hyper fixated on Rigs, even though like Hoffman
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  is like a bad guy. You know, he's a bad guy and you
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  know that there's a dramatic irony there. But like Riggs because he's somebody that
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  we've seen throughout the series so far. He's the guy that you're like focusing
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  on as the hero, right and then when he becomes the perfect Red Herrings
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  code totally totally And also like he's friends with with Carrie, he was friends
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  with Eric. Like he's losing his life because his wife doesn't want to be
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  with him at all anymore because he's a fucking loser. No, he's like
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  for Jackpool, dude, Yeah, because he works out while talking about Jigs
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  all the time, Yeah, totally. And man, did it seem to
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  you like this movie was having an existential crisis when it was like talking about,
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  uh, cherish your life? How are you supposed to cherish your life?
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  When this stuff keeps happening to you? And I'm like, yeah,
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  like they're creating kind of like a feedback loop of a lot of death here.
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  So like it can't be net good, Like you can't your lessons can't
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  be good enough to like make people feel okay and less obsessed in a time
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  when you're like putting them in extremely traumatic decisions in like situations over and over
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  again. Holy shit, dude, you'll you'll see some of the lines in
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  uh in the fifth one get so fucking crazy because you're just like, wait,
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  what what did you say? But we'll get to it. Basically,
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  like this movie, it gets a lot of set up for like you know,
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  Hoffman Perez and and what's it called strom to Like it's it's like weird
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  because it's like almost like a side quest in like a bigger tall Oh man,
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  I'm so glad you described it as that because it feels like it's that
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  without even knowing Part five, I've never seen this one I've never seen part
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  five. I was so excited for the twist that this one. Dude.
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  When it was happening, I was like, dude, yeah, because it's
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  like a lot, dude. It really does feel like an episode of a
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  series. This one feels the most like an episode. Okay, okay,
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  And you know, we get a little bit more of of Hoffman looking at
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  Strom being like, oh, did you find anything? Is there anything suspicious
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  about me in there? And then we cut back to Rigs and Riggs starts
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  man like this is where he becomes the most fit and also starts his weird
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  Harry's code. This is the like plastic like covered in his space in plastic
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  or whatever. And then you know, like Hoffmann is like leaving hints around
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  throughout the movie as well that like pay off way later. And then we
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  get this like other like we get this like secondary cop character, like the
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  Asian guy who's like in there for some reason. There's a lot of things
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  going on. But we finally get the Riggs plot and he like starts his
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  game and his game is very very I don't know how you felt about this,
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  but his game was also a little bit very very like the previous game
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  where it was like, don't help these people because they are bad people,
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  and you have to make the decision to like not run in before you're supposed
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  to or whatever. That's his life. It was a little bit, it
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  was a little bit derivative of like Jigsaw's previous idea. It seems like he
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  was running out of original material because he was dying. Yeah, totally,
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  and he didn't have enough pregtizone to lower his immunity to stop his brain from
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  swelling and his own body from attacking him. But his obsession with with Eric
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  Matthews from Boymant's World is the big problem in this one, right, Like
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  it's It's also it's kind of interesting that we've also seen this over a number
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  of movies now, cops being obsessed with each other's like safety and loving each
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  other but also murdering each other. This is so again, it's just cops
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  dying throughout the entire movie. Yeah, dude, they're the ones that need
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  the most punishment. Dude, to play a game, and then we chose
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  to be a cop and I'm really aka even though I'm a billionaire philanthropist.
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  It's yeah, dude, it's a billionaire philanthropists playing sick games to exact revenge
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  over resenting the uh working class that is working against their own interests. Sure,
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  let's say it's that. But Eric Matthews now the third movie, hanging
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  on a block of ice, sitting next to like Hoffman. Basically, I
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  don't know, honestly if this is humiliating for Donnie Wahlberg or incredible that he
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  did this. I think it's incredible. But but it's a little bit like,
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  you know, he's got to be a guy on a block of ice
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  for two hours, you know what I mean? Totally totally. I mean
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  it like it was kind of a big fall of race from his like breakout
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  performance in the second one. Yeah, and he's also transcendent appearance in the
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  third one. Oh yeah, but this one a little more like a I
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  want to fuck advice for an hour totally. But I actually kind of liked
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  him being a guy who was like, please just kill me. He just
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  like yeah, well dude, for like months, I know, I know,
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  it's fucking crazy. And then a guy alive ex playing the resources.
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  Who's feeding this guy? Yeah, who's like taking care of this guy like
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  enough that he's surviving? Yeah, dude, I mean he puts him in
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  like a prison or whatever, it makes him eat rats or whatever. No,
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  he's friends with the rats. Yeah, he is friends with the rats.
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  That's true. He becomes like a rat king. And then what's it
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  called Jigs being very pun punny in this Their Lives sang in the balance of
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  your obsession and it's like do you just come up with these puns? He's
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  very rupe Aul about it. He's got to use like everything's got to have
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  its own like theme song, Like you know how RuPaul makes the song out
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  of every one of her catchphrases. Oh yeah, it's it's the same thing
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  for Jigsaw. He's got to make it all like a big refrain. He's
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  like super into his own lore. Dude at this point. Absolutely absolutely.
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  And then there's that production still again from the third movie, the second movie.
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  Can I ask you a quick question? Yeah, do you think this
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  movie was trying to lower the steaks with Jigsaw in this one? Like make
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  it more like it's just him now, Like do you know what I mean?
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  Like like somehow trying to like have its cake and eat its have its
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  cake and eat it too, of like making Jigsaw the big mastermind behind everything,
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  but also he's got all these resources in support, like, because how
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  are these plans going? Like it gets less and less believable how the plans
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  will go to plan every time. Okay, let me tell you something,
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  Okay, and I don't wanna, I don't want to spoil anything, okay,
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  but I'm asking the right questions. Is what you are asking the right
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  questions. And this is why this movie is such a low point, is
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  because so much of the thread is just like loosened and you're just like,
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  oh, okay, all right, let's let's like pump the brakes. But
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  what it does end up happening You said something earlier, which which does happen
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  quite a bit, which is like the next movie will always justify the previous
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  one, and it seems like they're always almost breaking bad the stories of this
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  where it's like, you know how I'm breaking bad? You're like, what
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  how is he going to get out of this? And like seamlessly gets out
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  of it. You know what, that's really funny that you engine breaking bad
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  because today a comic that I posted like seven years ago or something where someone
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  made these hilarious breaking bad comics where like Walter is holding his daughter and being
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  like, say data, and she says mama, And then the next frame
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  is Walter on the phone being like, Todd, I have another job.
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  Yeah yeah, Eric Matthews, dude, boy meets world. He is in
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  fact still alive, dude, and he's given ninety minutes on an ice block.
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  I kept thinking about how frozen his toes would be and how like he
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  would get gangrenous toes on like his like on the foot that he does have,
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  and like, man, the fact that he's got this like shoe like
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  a cool like a fucking prosthetic that they put on. It's kind of like
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  a steam steampunk aesthetic. Dude, it's cool. I love that it gets
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  more steampunk. It does get a lot more steampunk. And you know the
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  he Riggs comes up to his first victim or the first test, and the
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  person in front of him is in desperate need of help, and it's it's
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  a pretty hilarious, uh and off putting pulling off of hair that just seems
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  like it would just be like awful because having this scene the balding happening,
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  but having the hair get ripped off the scalp and the lady checking up and
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  trying to kill Rigs and then Riggs just holding her hair and her like,
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  oh dude, I was like, oh my god, no, no,
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  no, man, she's gonna some an oxidental after well, like, yeah,
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  she would have to just to get the blood flow back, dude.
• 27:56
  But I mean there's so much food flow happening right now. They're way too
• 28:00
  much, dude, not enough a strong to survive, like a policey scalping.
• 28:07
  But yeah, I was really upset by this scene because I'm just growing
• 28:11
  my hair back with monoxidal, dude, and what if somebody pulled my new
• 28:15
  hairs out? Dude. But but but like it was like who was she?
• 28:22
  Like, why did they like did they kind of quickly explain this or
• 28:26
  something? Yeah? Basically what it is is, okay, so so these
• 28:37
  are all people and I noticed this with Abby last time. Oh yeah,
• 28:45
  these are all people that he has interacted with, and they pull like some
• 28:52
  really fast and loose shit when it comes to who some of these people are.
• 28:57
  Because some of these people fuck, I don't know if it's in this
• 29:02
  one anyway, it doesn't matter. She gets her hair pulled off, tries
• 29:07
  to kill fucking rings. He kissed his sister one hundred percent and like him
• 29:17
  pulling at the Like I really love this transition him pulling at her scalp and
• 29:22
  then throwing her through the window and then the camera going through the window into
• 29:30
  fucking Strom's office as a transition. I was like, whoa dude, this
• 29:34
  is an amazing filmmaking. That was amazing, And like the one the one
• 29:40
  scene transition with the one scene transition with the shirt and oh yeah that was
• 29:45
  great too. Yeah that happened earlier, the scene transition stuff, like the
• 29:48
  fact that it's laurified now and like and they're just looking for new creative ways
• 29:52
  to do it that are also meaningful to the plot. It's pretty cool.
• 29:56
  It's pretty cool, dude. Jigsaw goes, the man who will save you
• 30:03
  will be the person who puts you in jail. So this lady is also
• 30:07
  some sort of like prison lady, and it's like it sucks because it's like,
• 30:11
  whoa dude, Like, man, like, some of these people have
• 30:15
  seemingly of like really difficult lives and you're putting them in this like weird moral
• 30:22
  situation, Like yeah, like exactly, like these people are really struggling and
• 30:26
  you're like challenging them in a way that like doesn't serve them at all,
• 30:30
  like you're like and it just like hurts them, and like you you are
• 30:34
  the sicko like he is. I feel like this movie reinforces because like it's
• 30:40
  not explained away, like I don't understand him more now, I'm like,
• 30:44
  no, dude, you're wrong. You this is all just your misunderstanding of
• 30:48
  all of these Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And then what did you think of
• 30:52
  Okay, Like, let's can I just ask you now what you thought of
• 30:55
  the inclusion of the wife. But my wife is important, my wife,
• 31:00
  my wife. Well, you haven't seen the next one, dude. What
• 31:07
  you haven't seen the next one? Dude? Like the thing is, I
• 31:11
  don't like the wife, Okay, I don't like the wife as as just
• 31:17
  a plot point in general. I don't. I don't think I like the
• 31:22
  actor. I don't know. If I don't like the concept. I'm okay
• 31:26
  with with her being but I don't know. Actually, but she feels the
• 31:33
  most I thought she was pretty good. She feels the most TV to me,
• 31:40
  I disagree. I think the two I think the two juicy lipped detectives
• 31:44
  who you could barely tell a part in this movie. And did they do?
• 31:48
  They do this on purpose. Dude, get lookalikes. I think they
• 31:52
  do. I think they do because they do they do, they must.
• 31:57
  I dude, you're gonna fucking ship when you see Strong in the next one.
• 32:04
  You're gonna You're gonna ship. You're gonna like be I mean, I
• 32:06
  can't I can't wait because because here's here's the interesting thing about about how Saw
• 32:12
  characters seem to work. You hate them in the last movie, and then
• 32:15
  you're like excited to see them again because they survived, and then you're like,
• 32:20
  actually, they wrote they wrote this character to be kind of sick,
• 32:24
  which which is what I really love about Hoffman, the juicy other juicy lipt
• 32:30
  guy, the Rhonda santimonious guy. Yeah, the the like guy that we
• 32:36
  get the twist about, right. Yeah, And and basically what happens in
• 32:40
  the next scene is we wake up finally with Donnie uh and Hoffman trapped able
• 32:49
  to contraption on the contraption. Yeah. And also there's an icicle contraption that
• 32:55
  when it slowly melts ice that it has heat lamps around it, puts water
• 33:00
  into a tin thing that's attached to an electrocution thing. Yeah. Off,
• 33:07
  Detective Juicy lives. Yeah, yeah, and also including all of the best
• 33:12
  Donnie of Saw three your fucker and then like getting his foot kicks in and
• 33:20
  then bashing what's your name Manda's face, And I mean, at this point,
• 33:24
  all of that has become such Lord, It's like remember when Donnie did
• 33:30
  this ship and he's like, Oh, I'm like, dazy, I'm not
• 33:34
  sweezing' turn it up. I said, turn it up. I said,
• 33:39
  turn ahead up. Bout dude. Even even new New Kids on the Block
• 33:49
  is so old at this point. New New Kids on the Block is two
• 33:52
  thousand and eight, dude, Yeah, dude, finished the Saw movies that
• 33:55
  that he did New Kids on the Block. This is this movie is said
• 34:00
  it a world pre dirty dancing by New Kids on the Block, which is
• 34:04
  their best song. And we get we get those flashbacks of his meat sock
• 34:15
  uh, and we get a man who we quote unquote don't know who it
• 34:20
  is, but we do know who it is putting a new metal boot on
• 34:22
  Donnie and Donnie becoming friends with rats and then and then feeding Donn some slop
• 34:31
  slop. Yeah, and then the swat team comes into Riggs house and wait,
• 34:36
  do you think he was feeding him? Do you think what he was
• 34:37
  feeding was the pig slab from the last time. Yeah, totally, he
• 34:43
  totally was. He sufficed on pig slop, dude, only to get his
• 34:50
  face bashed. But we'll get to it. Yeah. And I found the
• 35:00
  storyline of him being like he's trying to recruit Riggs and his like irrational like
• 35:07
  ability to be awesome at his job but also terrible at his job, Well,
• 35:10
  that's where in the Red Herrings code lies in this dude that like Riggs,
• 35:15
  We're supposed to think that Riggs is actually going to be adopting Jigsaw ideals,
• 35:22
  Jigsaw principles, but in fact, well we'll get to it. Yeah,
• 35:27
  he doesn't learn his lesson, dude. Man, if he had,
• 35:30
  maybe if he had listened to Jigsaw, he would have learned his lesson dude
• 35:34
  and saved Oh man, what a trolled Jigsaw is. Yeah he is.
• 35:40
  He is the ultimate troll. And and uh, if Peter Strom finds pictures
• 35:46
  that don't quote unquote belong in any of the matching pictures in Riggs' apartment and
• 35:52
  it's it's the wife, it's the rules, and he goes to interrogate the
• 36:00
  wife. Again, it's also the lightest. If you notice it's got the
• 36:06
  most light in the movies. Yeah, well yeah, that's what makes it
• 36:09
  more TV too. It looks just like framed and lit, like it's like,
• 36:15
  all right, guys, we've got to get these scenes banged out.
• 36:17
  Yeah, it's a forty page day, guys. It totally was a forty
• 36:23
  page day, like every day, dude. No, seriously though, Like
• 36:28
  it seemed like I'm gonna guess that it was easily probably like a four page
• 36:31
  day, and that is very stressful to do. Yeah, but man,
• 36:37
  the torture that Donnie goes through. Oh by the way, what did you
• 36:43
  think of the lawyer finally coming in and like being the new Zepp and being
• 36:52
  like I need eleven thousand bugs, give me a break. Yeah, totally.
• 36:55
  What did you also feel about Hoffman being Hoffman being in the trap with
• 37:01
  Donnie? I thought that that was a brilliant Red Hairings code and I thought
• 37:10
  that it I mean, like it was it was exciting to see it happen
• 37:15
  because I was like, oh, well, I'm really glad that this other
• 37:19
  guy that looks kind of like this guy is still free to solve this case,
• 37:22
  you know what I mean? There was something weirdly satisfying about the doppelgangeranis
• 37:28
  of it, Like I couldn't thinking about it. It's cool, it's cool.
• 37:31
  It's like funny and weird and like, I don't know, it was
• 37:36
  like imagery wise, like the fact that he's this one felt like the most
• 37:40
  like Rocky four to me of like images. It felt like they thought of
• 37:49
  like the traps before they thought of the plot of the movie. Yes,
• 37:57
  absolutely absolutely, And it's like I was excited to see the traps. I
• 38:01
  was excited. I was excited to visually. It's it's the least sort of
• 38:07
  stimulating. It's the least well made of the movies. I would say,
• 38:12
  I'll tell you this, dude, it's probably the most little kid though,
• 38:15
  Like it's a favorite of a little kid. You know, understood understood the
• 38:22
  lore, dude, and was really proud of themselves that they understood the lore.
• 38:25
  Yeah, and then grew up and was like, Ah, this wasn't
• 38:29
  a good one, but I have such nostalgia for it that it fans a
• 38:32
  lot. Yeah, totally, man. And then the weird cameo by Julian
• 38:38
  Richings in this famed Canadian actor Julian Richings, Wait who was Who was he
• 38:45
  in this one? Do you know the he's like the bum guy Riggs comes
• 38:50
  into this like CD motel and he's like in the corner and he's like,
• 38:54
  what the fuck are you looking at? What the fuck are you that?
• 38:57
  Riggs just walks away from him, has a weirdly like Yeah, he reminds
• 39:02
  me of like a character you would have seen in Blues Brothers where where Elwood
• 39:07
  lives? Yeah, totally totally. It seems like an Elwood motel, like
• 39:13
  you get my cheese whiz boy? Yeah, totally. Here. Let me
• 39:15
  let me show you who you'll recognize who, Julian, you're sending this to
• 39:20
  me? I hate, I hate doing these episodes distance. I miss I
• 39:24
  miss being in person with you, dude, But because it's so exciting to
• 39:29
  talk about these movies. Yeah, they're they're really really fun movies to talk
• 39:32
  about. Here the lord, dude, are you sending it to Oh?
• 39:39
  I love this guy. Yeah, he's got such a he looks kind of
• 39:43
  like a like an older more weathered and uh yeah, like what's his name?
• 39:52
  The piano? Oh yeah, what's his name? Adrian Brody? Can
• 39:59
  I tell you something? Julian Richings was also the dad in bo is Afraid
• 40:05
  dude, Ah, yes, of course I remember you mentioning his name and
• 40:07
  bo is Afraid amazing, He's amazing. And then Riggs comes to the CD
• 40:14
  motel. He's grabbed both keys from whatever box. It doesn't matter at this
• 40:17
  point. This plot is just it's too convoluted to like talk about in real
• 40:22
  real life. But he Riggs goes upstairs of the CD motel where the I
• 40:28
  guess rapist, like like big fat guy who's who's like a motel manager guy.
• 40:37
  Okay, so okay, okay, yeah, okay, what did you
• 40:43
  make of this scene? Okay, So here's the thing. This, this
• 40:46
  movie is even more sexual than the last one. Is more sexual, and
• 40:53
  not for a bet, not for better to be hopes, not for better,
• 40:57
  it's it's better when it's more subtle. And in this, like the
• 41:02
  there's the full on seven reference where Riggs comes in and you think it's like
• 41:07
  his wife's head in the box, and it's it's the pig mask that he
• 41:13
  used to exat wants him to wear to kidnap this the motel manager guy and
• 41:19
  like man the the like like he filmed himself having sex with these girl like
• 41:28
  like raping these girls. It was just like a little bit like, this
• 41:30
  doesn't feel as much as it It didn't feel Saw and it felt Yeah,
• 41:37
  it felt way too much like trying the tooth with rape, and like that's
• 41:40
  something you never try the tooth with. I think that, Like it's like
• 41:45
  I think they needed to be more. I don't know, it just it
• 41:52
  was unnecessary and it felt like it felt like it kind of convoluted the story
• 41:57
  to me a little bit because I was like, wait, what like it?
• 42:00
  It kind of like it's so jarring and upsetting to see and it's something
• 42:05
  we've never seen in Saws before that it felt like it threw me out of
• 42:08
  the like sonness of it. Almost, Yeah, for sure, for sure
• 42:13
  does that make sense? Yeah, totally totally. I agree. It just
• 42:16
  it felt out of place. But then then we cut to the scene.
• 42:23
  Okay, the scenes that I did like with the wife. I didn't like
• 42:28
  any of the scenes with Strom and her, like him interrogating her. I
• 42:34
  loved the scenes between Jigsaw and and her because it felt like his weird paternalism
• 42:42
  but her weird like no, John, We're not gonna do this. It
• 42:45
  just felt like this is a weird hilarious toxic relationship you have to perish life.
• 42:53
  It seems it seems like he has a kind of like, yeah,
• 42:59
  like a paternalism in the relationship that she's not really buying and she but she
• 43:04
  kind of like balances him out in a way. Yeah, it shows like
• 43:07
  there's like a codependency and right, Yeah, And I think that that was
• 43:14
  really interesting to include the codependency because it like sort of adds nuance to Jigsaw
• 43:21
  as a human being, right, like somebody who like would come to these
• 43:24
  misguided conclusions because of how he's behaving, Like we're getting more insight into actually
• 43:30
  like what he's like totally, and then the people like he like loves in
• 43:35
  his life. Right, But like she's she has like a kind of like
• 43:39
  she's also like avoidant in a way, like she doesn't want to acknowledge certain
• 43:45
  truths and realities and like she I don't know, right, like or yeah,
• 43:50
  I totally agree, I totally agree. Yeah, it feels like but
• 43:54
  the where I I do agree, but where the movie mistakes her hiding those
• 44:01
  kinds of truths or not acknowledging them, is that the truths are that Jigsaw
• 44:07
  is right, and that's the misunderstanding that this movie has that the rest of
• 44:12
  them don't about Jigsaw. Do you know what I mean? Right? Because
• 44:16
  can you explain more? It feels a little bit like the movie wants you
• 44:21
  to side with the Jigsaw more than the wife, And ultimately it's like,
• 44:28
  well, yeah, the wife is wrong. She's a stupid idiot who thought
• 44:30
  opening up a drug clinic would help people, but it actually didn't. It
• 44:35
  just made people soft, you know, And it's like, well, that's
• 44:37
  not really what happened. Like, these people aren't soft, they just don't
• 44:42
  expect to be fucking kidnapped by some psycho. Speaking of being kidnapped by a
• 44:47
  psycho. We also get that guy who gets shot in the face in the
• 44:52
  second one in the clinic. He this like thin, mousey looking guy starts
• 45:00
  like freaking out. Uh. And the guy who gets shot in the eyeball
• 45:04
  in the second one by turning the key and the gun to the face,
• 45:07
  he's the guy clinic. Yeah, yeah, dude. There's so many actors
• 45:14
  from the rest of the Actually the girl who's like, oh, I've noticed,
• 45:19
  I've noticed that there's secret actors that are like that I've seen before.
• 45:23
  The girl, the girl who he's like, go home, you're a beautiful
• 45:30
  girl. That girl is the hispanic lady in the in the second one.
• 45:35
  I remember, I remember that it was her. Yeah yeah, so like
• 45:38
  that's what he was judging her for. That's totally what he was judging her
• 45:42
  for. Wow, dude, oh man. But when when Jigsaw comes up
• 45:46
  to the thin mousey guy who's like yelling and he's like, what's your problem?
• 45:51
  And Jigsaw is like, you're my problem and you're becoming everyone else's problem.
• 45:55
  He he does seem scary and timid, dude, like, oh man,
• 46:02
  like just like your problem and you're recovering everyone else. He's trying to
• 46:08
  take out the problems of society, but it's really just everyone in his surroundings,
• 46:13
  literally, anyone. You know. It's like a death sentence if you
• 46:15
  know Jigsaw, Like he's gonna find a reason to kill you. Yeah,
• 46:21
  or to make you value your life to death. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,
• 46:25
  because that's what he does. He makes you value your life to death.
• 46:30
  Yeah. Absolutely. And then we get some more strong interrogation stuff,
• 46:35
  but then we get some interesting flashbacks where I actually really love this stuff,
• 46:40
  where John is showing her the like the claw the three hundred year old clock
• 46:47
  that's never stopped or whatever. Like this is kind of like the like healthiest
• 46:52
  but dumpiest we've seen John. Oh yeah, it seems he pardon fifty two
• 47:00
  years old, dude, I know, but like I know, like it
• 47:02
  was so weird because he's like way more thought the bodied, and like I'm
• 47:06
  just like they're trying to make it seem like he's like pro creating, like
• 47:10
  he's having like a young child, like it got him an age appropriate enough
• 47:15
  wife, but like she's also like still I don't know. I was just
• 47:19
  I had fertility questions about the absolutely, absolutely, it just seemed like there
• 47:23
  was something off about Yeah. It also like why would you ever make a
• 47:30
  Billie toy for your kid? Like that's a scary toy. It's a scary
• 47:35
  puppet, dude. And like this one was the most emo hair Oh yeah,
• 47:38
  totally, dude. This is the transition into into like emo from new
• 47:45
  metal. Dude. It's from new metal to emo for sure. Well it's
• 48:00
  because well it's more like kind of scream oh and like please, it's more
• 48:06
  like it's it's yeah, it's like I make up and and like guitars and
• 48:13
  questionable as today where questionable allegations Later on, did you did you so many
• 48:20
  questionable as? Later on did you did I ever see it? Sent you
• 48:23
  that weave where it was like this is my impression of a singer from warped
• 48:30
  from a warter bed. Then it's a guy. It's he's tweeting and he's
• 48:37
  like it has come to my attention. Tell you you don't even have to
• 48:51
  excelain anymore. I left so much, dude, god, like I mean
• 48:58
  honestly, Like it's sad, but like it's true, like like I was
• 49:01
  least there at least seventy eight percent true for everybody, like listen, like
• 49:07
  I don't know, like I was there, and I'm like, man,
• 49:10
  like, it's like it was dudes in their twenties and dudes in their thirties
• 49:15
  around like literal teenagers most of the time. And it was like, I
• 49:21
  like, it's just questionable shit, it's just questionable environment to have a lot
• 49:27
  of young people in. It's like I don't know if, like I think
• 49:30
  even Kevin Lyman, the like organizer of or Now, I don't know because
• 49:34
  like this like he's I shouldn't say because he's someone I know, honestly,
• 49:38
  someone I know but like someone you specific people like just bleep the name.
• 49:44
  I'll bleep the names. But like but like I'm just like they must have
• 49:50
  I don't know, they must have known like oh, you were going to
• 49:53
  make some sort of drop some sort of like accusation but yeah, no,
• 49:57
  no, I'm alwa wasn't going to drop an accusation. But like I'm just
• 49:59
  like like the degree to which you know, like they're okay there just had
• 50:07
  some comments about like some like you know, like oh, you know,
• 50:09
  it's a woke time and stuff, and it's like I don't think like I
• 50:13
  don't think he's necessarily not like a woke dude. But man, I can't
• 50:20
  talk about this. I sorry, I'm actually I like I know the people
• 50:23
  involved. I would just want to make the joke. Yeah, just cut
• 50:28
  it, just cut it, like honestly, like the reality of those kinds
• 50:31
  of situations is that like I don't even think it's necessarily like oh I'm going
• 50:36
  to turn a blind eye, but more like like just like it's just feel
• 50:42
  much more you know. Actually, you know what, Listen, I'm just
• 50:46
  going to talk about what I know, and that way I can't be saying
• 50:52
  anything wrong. Okay, Yeah, and I just because, like I think
• 50:58
  it is actually kind of important. Like a lot of a lot of us
• 51:00
  went to Warp Tour as young people, and like, there there was a
• 51:04
  guy who I met on the Warp tour. Is it okay if I tell
• 51:08
  you this Thursday for more it's it's a bit of a story. Okay.
• 51:15
  There's a guy I met on Warp Tour named Paul I'm just gonna leave Paula
• 51:20
  Adler. And he was like a smart guy, troubled but smart guy from
• 51:25
  New England. He was in bands he was on I forget what their band
• 51:30
  was called, but they were on tour with us. We made good friends
• 51:34
  with these guys and like we were kind of like the same class of bands.
• 51:37
  We were like the bands following the tour, so we weren't on the
• 51:40
  tour, so we were having a lot of the same or similar experiences,
• 51:44
  but we were kind of outsiders. We were like selling our merch rather than
• 51:47
  playing, and like we all had a dream of like being on the Warp
• 51:51
  tour. It was like the big thing for bands like us, and we
• 51:54
  were like let's try and fucking do this. That was like our way of
• 51:58
  trying to like make it right, and like years later, this guy wrote
• 52:05
  an article kind of like calling out just like the tour and the founder specifically
• 52:12
  for like like he kind of like used a bunch of examples of things that
• 52:17
  he knew had happened and that were like news stories at the time, and
• 52:22
  like he was like, this happened, X happened. I'll see if I
• 52:25
  can find the article and maybe I'll link it. I don't know, I
• 52:28
  can can't say the exact details, but he was like he was kind of
• 52:30
  a call out, and it was like, hey, dude, like this
• 52:32
  shit happens at your events. You know, you're responsible for creating a safe
• 52:37
  space for these teenagers that are paying you money to like, you know,
• 52:42
  like Kevin Lyman would have all these like meetups with us to like encourage us,
• 52:46
  you know, like as young bands and business people like supporting our own
• 52:51
  brands and markets, and like he would talk about things being like you know,
• 52:54
  like this is your brand, this is my brand, this is how
• 52:58
  I make money, and this is how I you know, like get the
• 53:00
  boat and this. It's like this is a private small business. And I'm
• 53:05
  like, yeah, okay, cool, I get that it's your livelihood,
• 53:07
  but like also like, you know, you have a moral. You know,
• 53:15
  the crowd. The age of the crowd that you're appealing to is teenagers
• 53:21
  and they're mostly and so like you need to create a safe space for like
• 53:27
  an under eighteen crowd, you know what I mean, like a like a
• 53:30
  crowd of minors, and so like basically like yeah, like he wrote this
• 53:36
  article calling him out, and then there was kind of a bit of a
• 53:39
  smear campaign of like not a smear campaign, but a more of a like
• 53:44
  a who the fuck cares what Paul says sort of vibe, And there was
• 53:47
  a like a like a nah, Kevin's always been great kind of vibe,
• 53:52
  And I'm like, yes, but you know what I mean, Like,
• 53:58
  you know, I think there's ways that we can like acknowledge that Kevin has
• 54:04
  been like amazing for like music and like the music scene and punk and whatever
• 54:09
  and like all this stuff. But like you know, I just like I
• 54:13
  feel like, for me, questions remain and that's why a joke like that
• 54:16
  can exist. But I was laughing at it because like I was just like
• 54:21
  it's funny that it's so you know, obvious. Yeah, for sure,
• 54:27
  I'm sorry. I feel like that's like too much info. I don't know
• 54:30
  if I'm going to leave that in, but I just wanted to. I
• 54:34
  mean, you decide, tell you about it. But where were we?
• 54:37
  In the movie, Riggs is taking the manager guy uh to his like weird
• 54:45
  sex dungeon thing where he has to like scoop his eyeballs out because he like,
• 54:52
  I guess, watched people and yet have sex with he had sex with
• 55:00
  them. It's like, it's a it's a pretty weird scene. It doesn't
• 55:05
  feel like a Saw movie in this movie. In this part, it just
• 55:08
  feels like a weird fetish video. Yeah, yeah, totally totally. It
• 55:13
  feels like like fetish punishment, like setting up the worst thing you can imagine
• 55:19
  so that this person deserves their punishment, you know. I mean it's like
• 55:22
  and eventually it's weird. That's fucking weird, dude. Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:28
  And eventually he doesn't poke, he doesn't poke both his eyes out. He
• 55:31
  pokes one of his eyes out, and then his body just gets torn apart,
• 55:37
  which is like, I don't like this actor. He feels like he's
• 55:44
  completely out of place in this movie. It feels like he was one of
• 55:46
  the crew members that they got. This one is also the most dannymul Ruine
• 55:54
  of all of them. Yeah, so far there's so many Danny more ruins
• 56:00
  And that's okay. And basically, you know, Riggs is like, oh,
• 56:08
  I got, I got. The Riggs lesson is like really similar to
• 56:16
  which which one is he similar to? Oh, it's similar to Danny Glovers
• 56:22
  in the like, oh, you're pursuing this too much. And then it
• 56:25
  cuts back to like a flashback that Riggs has where this little girl is being
• 56:31
  abused, and oh, I know why you don't. You don't understand what
• 56:38
  this this movie is about. Okay, Okay, I understand. So Riggs
• 56:45
  has a flashback with this little girl who's getting beaten by her dad, who's
• 56:50
  like way too old a dad to be her dad, and the age appropriate
• 56:53
  wife for this guy is also way too old to have this younger daughter,
• 56:58
  and Riggs beats the shit out of him, and Riggs is, uh the
• 57:04
  Riggs. The guy who beat Riggs beats the shit out of He has a
• 57:07
  lawyer, and that lawyer is John's lawyer. H the lawyer who defends this
• 57:15
  guy. The lawyer who defends he's like the lawyer for everybody as well.
• 57:21
  That's the twist for why the lawyer that's Donald Trump, dude, that's the
• 57:25
  guy I need eleven votes. Something something that really made me laugh so much.
• 57:35
  First of all, I'm gonna say this, I don't know why I
• 57:39
  love Strong so much. I just think I think he's a really good He
• 57:49
  feels like a good tired actor, so like, and I'm saying that like
• 57:52
  as a like, this character's just tired all the time. Like at one
• 57:58
  point, Jill John's wife is like, do you believe in the Chinese Zodiac?
• 58:04
  And He's like, oh my god, Jill, what are you talking
• 58:07
  about? And anyways, sorry, go ahead. That reaction is amazing,
• 58:15
  dude. Yeah. Yeah, and knowing the law and like getting new law
• 58:21
  is kind of amazing, dude. Oh yeah, totally absolutely absolute Chinese zodiac.
• 58:24
  Chinese zodiac. Dude. Well, she's trying to point out that Jigsaw
• 58:30
  is like super plans everything and that he they had a kid named Gideon,
• 58:36
  uh, and he like had sex with her at the right time, so
• 58:39
  that Gideon is going to be the would be born at a certain time.
• 58:44
  Yeah. But then and like he gets robbed of his child, so like,
• 58:49
  I mean, dude, like that scene when like stomach gets squished is
• 58:53
  like, oh man, so something that that I think about happening and that
• 58:58
  I'm like, oh my god, what what happened? No? Yeah,
• 59:00
  totally totally uh. And then we see Jigsaw again, this this line where
• 59:07
  he's like, you're a beautiful girl. You should go home. It's a
• 59:10
  health clinic. You know. It didn't feel right. It didn't feel Jigsaw
• 59:15
  to me, even though his whisper was his stage whisper was carrying through the
• 59:20
  wind like louder than any like scream, louder than any scream O band scream.
• 59:31
  The guy comes back like this is this This guy is Jigsaw's first kill.
• 59:37
  The guy who's like a weird methadict who's like what key what key?
• 59:43
  He was Also he also a Dani moul Room, but a terrible actor,
• 59:46
  Like this movie was filled with terrible actors and it bothered me because so many
• 59:52
  other people were so much better. Yeah, and then he yeah, well
• 1:00:00
  like yeah, so like I kind of like this guy though this Dandy wall
• 1:00:04
  Rude. You didn't like this guy, Oh say that again. I kind
• 1:00:09
  of like this Danty wul Rude, the drug addict, Dandy wil Rude that
• 1:00:13
  liked I liked him when he was pushing his face through the knives. I
• 1:00:19
  liked him in that scene. But he's just written. Yeah, he's just
• 1:00:23
  written in a way where it's like he's constantly on edge and I'm like,
• 1:00:27
  okay, dude, I need some like chill time with this guy. But
• 1:00:32
  I really really like and yeah, oh sorry, sorry, what were we
• 1:00:39
  gonna say? I really loved Jigsaw losing his child, uh and being in
• 1:00:45
  the hospital being large job. Yeah, totally totally. And then when when
• 1:00:52
  he finally goes, you can't help them. They need to help themselves and
• 1:00:58
  it's like he realized is his path because of a dead child? Oh man,
• 1:01:04
  dude du dun h burned yep. Uh. And then Strom ends up
• 1:01:19
  at the motel to see uh the gussy eyes of dude so gussie man.
• 1:01:31
  And then they go to like raidh. They go to raid one of Jigsaw's
• 1:01:39
  like places, uh, and Strong finds out that where the two Jigsaw like
• 1:01:45
  next victims or whatever, and Donnie starts talking in the next scene where he
• 1:01:51
  where he goes fuck you and then tries to hang himself. This was the
• 1:01:54
  most These scenes were the most saw in this series. In this I agree,
• 1:02:00
  and it was because it was Donnie. In no small part due to
• 1:02:04
  Donnie and his performance where he delivered even as a like a dangling guy,
• 1:02:09
  the entire movie like in a booby trap, like literally in like a Batman's
• 1:02:15
  style booby trap. Yeah, totally. And then this is like the reveal
• 1:02:21
  that happens where the lawyer you find out that the lawyer knows both Riggs and
• 1:02:29
  Hoffman and the guy that Rigs punched earlier. That ends up in the school
• 1:02:37
  where they're pulling out where the wife is like pulling out the like arrows.
• 1:02:42
  Do you remember that part? Oh dude? I okay, So so the
• 1:02:45
  arrow pulling out was actually really cool and I liked it. I liked I
• 1:02:50
  liked that the wife like she was amazing, Like it was kind of like
• 1:02:53
  a dude, That performance was fucking incredible, her being like, oh my
• 1:03:00
  god, like the panic chicken. Oh man, it was amazing, and
• 1:03:04
  I totally amazing. I bought it too. I thought she did a great
• 1:03:07
  job. I thought she did a great job. And I thought that like
• 1:03:09
  her resolve to kill her husband but also her guilt over killing her husband.
• 1:03:16
  Yeah, like there's a real duality there where she's like I'm gonna do it,
• 1:03:22
  and I really will feel like I have won since I've done it,
• 1:03:24
  but I don't feel good about it. Yeah, totally, totally. It
• 1:03:30
  was really nice and and that so that that happens later. But the but
• 1:03:35
  in the flashback, we get some context of this lawyer. Sorry, that's
• 1:03:39
  okay. This lawyer also wanted hop to get quote unquote get Hoffman. So
• 1:03:47
  we've got like, you know, Riggs remembering that he's with the little girl.
• 1:03:52
  And then Riggs finally gets to this scene where what's interesting about the the
• 1:04:00
  lady who pulls the arrows out is that it's a flashback for her as to
• 1:04:03
  what happened and her being so outrageously like her being so apologetic and the husband
• 1:04:20
  being like what the fuck are you doing and being like a fuck this,
• 1:04:26
  I'm gonna survive. I don't care about this dude anymore. I don't want
• 1:04:30
  I don't want to die. Yeah, I mean I think she you know,
• 1:04:35
  she was like you really like the movie earned that reaction from us,
• 1:04:44
  and like it the movie earned our like sorry, the movie earned that for
• 1:04:50
  the character, Like it was like, this is what this woman is going
• 1:04:55
  through. Yeah, totally, it's we're gonna just like. That's I think
• 1:04:59
  the power of these movies is that they justify the things to us that feel
• 1:05:03
  like the worst kinds of things, right, like murder or like it's always
• 1:05:09
  the aim of the movie to kind of be like, yeah, but you
• 1:05:12
  can see how how Jigsaw feels that way, you know what I mean?
• 1:05:15
  Totally totally, And then we get we get more of Donnie being like,
• 1:05:20
  why don't you just fucking kill me, dude, please? And by this
• 1:05:25
  point we're all like, yeah, dude, why don't you just kill this
• 1:05:28
  dude? Like it's so weird and sad that you've kept him alive this long.
• 1:05:31
  I know, I leave him alone. I feel like he would be
• 1:05:34
  so traumatized after too, and he wouldn't be able to live a normal life.
• 1:05:39
  He would think everything was a weird test. Imagine being gaslighted so much
• 1:05:45
  that you just think you're You're like, your entire life everything is a weird
• 1:05:49
  test. Now, Yeah, dude, Like the Joshmo show, which they
• 1:05:53
  did in real life to trait some guy, or that like Japanese show where
• 1:06:00
  they like put that guy show. No, no, it's not a Japanese
• 1:06:02
  show. Was it a Green show? I don't know where I remember what
• 1:06:09
  you're talking about. The thing built. Yeah, they built the room.
• 1:06:15
  I can't talk about that. That's so upset, that's so like, it's
• 1:06:17
  really upsetting. How could they do that to someone? But man, like,
• 1:06:23
  it's really hard to talk about this movie because there's so much in it.
• 1:06:26
  But it's really funny and fun it's so funny. It's so funny.
• 1:06:30
  And Jill. We find out that Jill owns this building that the woman who
• 1:06:35
  got who pulled out the arrows from it, and then love Lords, Yeah
• 1:06:41
  totally. But then this this annoying thing happens where Agent Perez and uh Strom
• 1:06:50
  go into another room and Billy the Puppet is there, and Billy the Puppet's
• 1:06:55
  face explodes into Perez's face. Okay, so I guess this is setting up
• 1:07:00
  something in a future movie. But it's like, don't believe this guy or
• 1:07:04
  something. If you trust this guy, you'll die. And then it like
• 1:07:09
  shoots a fucking clay into her artery or something. Yeah, it is like,
• 1:07:15
  yeah, panic, it goes everywhere but her eyes. Yeah, totally.
• 1:07:21
  And then and then uh, we we see what's his name? We
• 1:07:27
  see Donnie fucking pretending like he's choking. Uh and then he grabs up the
• 1:07:32
  lawyer to try and save himself. Again, Mann, you can, you
• 1:07:39
  could kill me, but it's really not gonna kill this guy. Besides you
• 1:07:44
  to kill this guy listen, and and he's like, fuck, all right,
• 1:07:50
  I'm not gonna kill this new Jigsaw beside me. He's totally just like
• 1:07:56
  Detective Juicy lives. He is totally detective he lived. And then he hands
• 1:08:02
  he hands Donnie a gun because he's like, Okay, your time's almost up
• 1:08:06
  and you can you you have to kill the person that comes through that door
• 1:08:13
  to save all of us. And then Strong finally figures out that the lawyer
• 1:08:18
  was Jill's lawyer and Jigsaw's lawyer, and man, I gotta say the scene
• 1:08:29
  between the lawyer and Jigsaw where they come to see his like lab or whatever,
• 1:08:33
  and Jigsaw is like like he comes up to him and he's like hey
• 1:08:38
  John, where they're like super friend. He's like super friendly and John is
• 1:08:42
  like disappointed in him, and he's like John, I don't understand, Like
• 1:08:46
  what's wrong? What's going on? He keeps saying his name too. It's
• 1:08:50
  pretty interesting in terms of this goes back to relationships in the Saw movies being
• 1:09:00
  really really interestingly written sometimes where characters will know each other and have these like
• 1:09:10
  weirdly intimate scenes with each other, and it's like, oh man, these
• 1:09:13
  do characters really do feel like they've known each other for a really long time.
• 1:09:16
  Speaking of the lawyer and and John specifically, when when they go to
• 1:09:21
  like John goes to give up his shares of of the like whatever business they
• 1:09:29
  own to give it a Yeah, they acted it really really well. And
• 1:09:42
  then and then what's her name? What's her name? Uh? Jill confronts
• 1:09:48
  John about Cecil going missing. Uh, the guy who pushes his face through
• 1:09:54
  the knives, And then yeah, I was like, what the fuck,
• 1:09:58
  dude? Yeah, and he's shifty. Yeah, John doing the remix of
• 1:10:03
  his own voice at one point, and then going to the like Chinese festival
• 1:10:10
  or whatever and putting out grabbing the first pig mask, uh and putting chlorophyll
• 1:10:15
  chlorophyl more like borophyl in in the mask and then shoving it on his face.
• 1:10:20
  Oh dude, but that was like it was a kind of like a
• 1:10:24
  cartoonish pig mask. Yeah, totally totally as opposed to an actual pick.
• 1:10:28
  It wasn't like a weird like flesh pig mask. Yeah, totally, dude.
• 1:10:33
  Did I tell you about this guy that I saw on the street?
• 1:10:38
  Totally about Okay, Well, speaking of like pig mask lore, I saw
• 1:10:45
  this guy on the street that had like that was wearing like a like a
• 1:10:49
  like a bones mask, like a he looked like he looked like what maybe
• 1:10:58
  a Christopher Nolan bat man evil villain would look like, but like that level
• 1:11:03
  of costuming too, Like the face was like he looked like his hands looked
• 1:11:08
  like dirty. It was like dirty under the fingernails, and like he looked
• 1:11:11
  like, you know, he was in kind of like a disheveled sort of
• 1:11:15
  like clothing but it was like fishnets and stuff. It was like cool,
• 1:11:19
  it looked like a costume. And he was wearing like this like this like
• 1:11:24
  bird mask. It was like bird bones mask that was like it was like
• 1:11:30
  a hawk or something. And he had like it was like a mask on
• 1:11:32
  his face and underneath it was like painted black like it was like something way
• 1:11:41
  like like the face paint, you know how they acknowledged that and the something
• 1:11:46
  well he had it underneath and I was like, whoa dude? Like and
• 1:11:50
  I mean I was so weird, dude, Like it was like, just
• 1:11:54
  like this person like walking around and then like he was standing at a stoplight
• 1:12:00
  looking at me like hawkishly, not to not to not to pun with the
• 1:12:05
  mask, but he was looking at me like kind of like with a piercing
• 1:12:09
  stare, and I was like, I was like whoa. And then I
• 1:12:13
  kind of just like wanted to like play it off, like I wasn't being
• 1:12:15
  looked at. And then he like continued and then he looked into a restaurant.
• 1:12:21
  I saw him like cock his head kind of to the side and like
• 1:12:26
  look and stare intimidatingly into a restaurant. And after he looked at me intimidatingly,
• 1:12:32
  he looked at other people on the street intimidatingly. It felt like he
• 1:12:36
  was like a vigilanti justice guy or something. I don't know, Yeah,
• 1:12:40
  totally totally. I felt you were like buch Fly, Jigsaw wants to give
• 1:12:53
  people the tools to survive, to discard their vices, and to say it
• 1:12:59
  to have look sorry when he says sorry. To reclaim your life, you
• 1:13:08
  have to discard the vices that have corrupted your soul. And the guy's like,
• 1:13:12
  I don't have a fucking soul, oh man, I mean that was
• 1:13:17
  kind of like sometimes like Jigsaws met with these people that are kind of like
• 1:13:23
  real, Like this guy's like, yeah, dude, I've had like a
• 1:13:25
  fucking hard life. Like I'm like I'm a drug addict. I'm like struggling,
• 1:13:29
  and like you're like a fucking rich guy teaching me a lesson. It's
• 1:13:33
  like, yeah, what are you doing, Like you're putting this like poor
• 1:13:38
  person into Like he's like, you've made your decisions. It's like very libertarian,
• 1:13:44
  very juveniley libertarian, like of like doesn't acknowledge any like sort of like
• 1:13:50
  life circumstances. I will guy's had a disadvantage compared to that disadvantage, Yeah,
• 1:13:57
  absolutely absolutely. But also I'm of the fact that he goes, what
• 1:14:01
  the fuck is that when he reveals the knives and he's like, it's the
• 1:14:04
  tool, the tool that's gonna save your life. I really really enjoyed that.
• 1:14:12
  I really enjoyed this scene. I thought Cecil did the best job in
• 1:14:15
  this scene. The rest of it was just like you have to like we
• 1:14:17
  have to write it in quick, and he's like a creepy, cringey guy.
• 1:14:21
  You know, totally. Did you like how a jigsaw like in that
• 1:14:29
  later scene and side steps, but the guy frees himself gently side steps for
• 1:14:33
  the guy to fall into the barbed wire. Oh yeah, totally. Yeah,
• 1:14:38
  Yeah, that's that's what it is. Like he goes and he tries
• 1:14:42
  to to like fight him, and he's like, I'm gonna fuck kill you,
• 1:14:45
  and then he just like it just like gets caught in the barbed wire
• 1:14:49
  and it's just like, oh man, that's fucking brutal. Yeah dude.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah. And then we have the other flashback scene where Jill is like finally
• 1:14:59
  breakd up with him and he's like she's like, what's happening to you?
• 1:15:01
  And he's like, what's happening to me? And he starts like destroying his
• 1:15:04
  stuff and he destroys the three hundred year old clock man that this that part
• 1:15:12
  was like, I was like, whoa dude, We've never seen violent Jigsaw.
• 1:15:16
  We've never seen it. Like he's always been priding himself on like how
• 1:15:20
  calm and collected he is, and like the whole thing with him is that
• 1:15:24
  he's like, oh, nothing can really get to get to well, you
• 1:15:30
  kind of have to get to a point where you explore different different emotional states
• 1:15:34
  because in order to keep a character, especially like this interesting. You need
• 1:15:41
  to keep either upping the ante with traps or keep justifying with emotion how and
• 1:15:49
  what is going to happen? Right? And this movie does both. Dude,
• 1:15:54
  Yeah, it does what it needs to do. Dude, it does
• 1:15:56
  what this Yeah, they do a lot of stuff that they because I like,
• 1:16:01
  Okay, so honestly, they didn't need to kill Jigsaw. Like that's
• 1:16:09
  like, this is the thing that Kays was saying, like he was like
• 1:16:14
  he was saying that he thinks that this movie makes the cardinal sin that the
• 1:16:17
  rest of the movies pay for, and that's killing Jigsaw. And I'm like,
• 1:16:23
  I felt like the third movie didn't need to kill Jigsaw. His neck
• 1:16:27
  got cut, sure, but like so did Danny Glovers. We already have
• 1:16:30
  a neck cutting tries the tooth. We didn't need to make it that deep
• 1:16:33
  a cut, you know, like it could have been like a slice surface
• 1:16:38
  wound that he gets saved from. You know what The thing is though,
• 1:16:43
  you have to sort of one. I don't know if they ever thought they
• 1:16:47
  were gonna make it pass three, to be honest, and number two,
• 1:16:53
  which which by the third one clearly they did because they set up a whole
• 1:16:57
  bunch of stuff for the fourth one. But like they I don't think they
• 1:17:00
  were like thinking like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be a series
• 1:17:03
  franchise with this guy because like he was like he was old then, so
• 1:17:11
  it's yeah, character around an old man is like kind of tough and what
• 1:17:15
  it's funny because he makes leaning into the charisma of Jigsaw makes the movies better.
• 1:17:21
  Oh yeah, that's why we have to give it out of Jigsaws because
• 1:17:27
  he's the main character of all of them. He is the main character of
• 1:17:30
  all of them. Yeah, and and also setting up the cancer storyline and
• 1:17:34
  having that backing off of that would have also been a cardinal sim because but
• 1:17:42
  like I know he's in some of these subsequent ones, How does how did
• 1:17:45
  they explain it? You? You have to see, dude, you have
• 1:17:48
  to see I get late, dude. I'm so exciting. Part of it,
• 1:17:55
  also, part of the fun is like how things come back, where
• 1:17:59
  things go, what timelines things happen at, because like we're already like like
• 1:18:05
  five years into a franchise and it's still taking place in I guess two thousand
• 1:18:11
  and four or like okay, so like when do we get to the scene
• 1:18:15
  where we realize that we're seeing the past at a certain point, like we're
• 1:18:20
  getting another parallel timelines sort of story that gets revealed to us. Well,
• 1:18:27
  this does happen. This is the thing about this movie too, is that
• 1:18:30
  it's like flashbacks within flashbacks within different timelines. And it's like, I love
• 1:18:36
  the line where Jigsaw forces Jill to go out and he's like, you do
• 1:18:42
  it for yourself if you can't do it for me, and she leaves,
• 1:18:47
  and he's got the like he turns around and he sees the like glass box,
• 1:18:54
  the like what's it called, the like the tomb or whatever, the
• 1:19:00
  glass tomb, and that sets up well you'll see, but there's the glass
• 1:19:06
  tomb. And then we was Strong finally realizes that the Gideon is the name
• 1:19:16
  of one of Jigsaw's properties, and Riggs has already got there. So Riggs
• 1:19:23
  comes in to the place and Donnie doesn't know what to do, doesn't know
• 1:19:29
  who he's gonna shoot. Uh, and man, he should just shoot himself,
• 1:19:34
  dude. That's the thing that I was like at that point, I
• 1:19:38
  was just like, oh my god, dude, Like it was so torturous.
• 1:19:42
  Yeah, yeah. And then and then we finally realized that the two
• 1:19:45
  ice blocks are gonna smash Donnie Wolverg's ind if if Riggs doesn't complete his final
• 1:19:53
  test, and he's like, who's coming through the door? Who's coming through
• 1:19:57
  that? Doar Oh? That was like amazing, Like the fact that they
• 1:20:02
  made Donnie Wahlberg like fucking puffy and like swollen and kind of like just like
• 1:20:10
  was so disheveled was amazing, dude, Like so amazing, Like I couldn't
• 1:20:15
  believe that they took this in this direction, that like disheveled, just like
• 1:20:20
  sloopy, cloopy Donnie just like the most unflattering, Like this guy is a
• 1:20:27
  good looking guy, and like he's like a musician, you know what I
• 1:20:30
  mean, Like he's always willing to make himself so like flowable in rolls and
• 1:20:35
  like maybe he thoid that's what he thinks. Acting is is like being really
• 1:20:40
  like committing with his body getting his leg crushed with a fucking toilet seat,
• 1:20:45
  dude. And then we get Strom, who's actually at the wrong building and
• 1:20:54
  he appears where Jeff appears at the end of the third one. Uh So
• 1:21:00
  this timeline is happening parallel with Jeff and Lynn and Amanda getting killed. H
• 1:21:10
  And then Riggs comes in and he's from the last movie, from the last
• 1:21:14
  movie, and what's his It's revealed that the lawyer is also in a trap
• 1:21:20
  that he has where it's like a pinchy thing on the back of his neck.
• 1:21:25
  Oh dude, the fact that he has like a fucking weird spine snipper
• 1:21:30
  like it's just like, dude, like the like creativity of like and like
• 1:21:35
  just the implication of having like a like a dagger like thing around his neck,
• 1:21:42
  just being like, it's gonna do something. We don't need to know
• 1:21:44
  what totally we know what it's gonna do. And then Jeff, Jeff is
• 1:21:50
  like bars my daughter and he gets shot him barreling through again just being like
• 1:21:58
  the most fucking like just I don't know, like just hit. The intensity
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  of Jeff's performance in the last movie, the Scottish intensity, the swarthy Scottish
• 1:22:09
  intensity, was amazing, dude, totally amazing, totally comment again. And
• 1:22:15
  then what's her name Lynn's gushy face still being a gush face and Riggs being
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  like, I had more time, I had more time, and and the
• 1:22:28
  whole point was that if you just let the time er go. Eric Matthews
• 1:22:32
  would have been saved, oh man, and the lawyer being like, chicksaw
• 1:22:38
  is testing you, fucking piece of shit. Everybody being again so fucking hostile
• 1:22:43
  in these movies and more and more hostile I know. But like it's like,
• 1:22:47
  Okay, this is the other uxbridge I have with this. Yeah,
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  it's like at a certain point, if your like tests are like so trolley
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  that, like they're so difficult to understand that nobody can like riddle you this,
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  then like you're not like nobody's like learning the like tell me what the
• 1:23:08
  lesson is you want me to learn? Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:23:10
  I mean, but he's always like he does always tell you, dude,
• 1:23:12
  He always does tell you. He always does tell you. And then
• 1:23:15
  the lawyer tries to like grab the tape for him and he presses it and
• 1:23:19
  Rigs fucking shoots the dude and he goes, like you hear on the tape,
• 1:23:24
  Hello, Riggs, if you're hearing this, then Detective Matthews has had
• 1:23:29
  two ice cubes smash his head. And it's like the rules were clear,
• 1:23:34
  you were warned, and it was because like you know, Riggs like jumps
• 1:23:40
  the gun, like he opens the door at Carrie. He like, let's
• 1:23:45
  go of his like wife and whatever for his job. It's everybody is impulsive,
• 1:23:55
  that's the thing. And it's like, did Riggs deserve this? Is
• 1:23:58
  this arbitrary? Riggs deserved to fucking die and like kill a guy brutally that
• 1:24:03
  is his friend because he wanted to save a friend, you know what I
• 1:24:08
  mean. He was too eager to save a friend. But here's the thing
• 1:24:12
  here, Well it gets just fun, dude. So Hoffman comes out and
• 1:24:25
  he's he's like, you see Riggs' reaction, and it's like, I don't
• 1:24:29
  understand this is this is you know, Jigsaw was on his deathbed like and
• 1:24:34
  then he's like, then you see Carrie and she's like, I'm not sure
• 1:24:38
  it was Jigsaw. And then Hoffman is revealed to be the like actual successor
• 1:24:46
  duo dude. And also, yeah, they right on a bunch of the
• 1:24:55
  pig masks who who get in the way. So it's like, oh,
• 1:24:59
  you thought it was Amanda in the last one, but it was actually this,
• 1:25:04
  yeah, exactly exactly, and he goes game over and then closes the
• 1:25:10
  door on on Strong and then well here's the thing. It wraps all the
• 1:25:18
  way back around to the beginning of the movie where Juicy Lips is listening to
• 1:25:24
  the tape again and he's like, did you think he would walk away from
• 1:25:27
  this? You know? Uh, And the whole movie was actually the beginning
• 1:25:32
  of the movie was actually the end of the movie, and the end of
• 1:25:35
  the movie was rigged. The twist of the movie is Riggs realizing that all
• 1:25:43
  of the work he had done for Jigsaw was actually a test for him as
• 1:25:48
  well. So it's like, I don't know, he's like eleven dimensional Jessig,
• 1:25:54
  but what would you give a movie out of ten? Well that that
• 1:26:00
  was it, That that's all that happens. I mean, yeah, I
• 1:26:02
  mean like so yeah, sorry, go ahead, I was gonna say the
• 1:26:06
  eleven dimensional chessing was was was difficult, you know, like it was like
• 1:26:14
  like like keeping up with the story. Does it get easier to keep up
• 1:26:17
  with the story? Yeah, it's a pretty exhausting one. The fifth one
• 1:26:23
  is a lot, a lot easier to follow. Okay, I'm just a
• 1:26:27
  little worried because, like I feel like they do this sometimes maybe on the
• 1:26:31
  even ones they raise the stakes too much and then they have to make up
• 1:26:34
  for it on the odd ones. Yeah, totally. They have to like
• 1:26:38
  justify a bunch of the things, but like adding what's nice about it actually
• 1:26:43
  is that adding the complexity of of these ones allow for the next one to
• 1:26:48
  be a lot simpler because it's just kind of explaining the the weird stuff that
• 1:26:55
  happened before. Cool, but we'll get to the one. I think it's
• 1:27:00
  a better movie than this In terms of my rating, I'm gonna give like
• 1:27:09
  pretty low, pretty low. For Tobin Bell. It felt like a poorly
• 1:27:15
  written version of Saw. It had nothing to do with his performance. His
• 1:27:19
  performance was really good and getting to see him be like Thought the Body but
• 1:27:26
  also like sad Bloomer. It felt a little bit like I am I am
• 1:27:34
  not. I'm not into this version of Jigsaw. His performance was good and
• 1:27:42
  that's about it. I didn't find his motivations as compelling, and I think
• 1:27:48
  the peak of Jigsaw was the third one for me. So I'm gonna give
• 1:27:56
  it like a six. I'm gonna give me six out of ten for ratings
• 1:28:00
  I would give it. I would give it the same for this for the
• 1:28:01
  same reason. Honestly, like, like as aid, listen, I'm really
• 1:28:06
  enjoying the Saw series and I really had fun with this and I had fun
• 1:28:11
  talking to you about it, but like it's not good, you know,
• 1:28:14
  like it's like, I don't know, it's it's good. It's good as
• 1:28:17
  it's a good Saw movie, but it's a six. It's like, you
• 1:28:21
  know, it's just I feel like I need to I've enjoyed this so much
• 1:28:27
  and I'm loving the lore, but like it feels like the little kid in
• 1:28:30
  me enjoyed this. Yeah, but maybe it's not great, you know what
• 1:28:33
  I mean? Yeah, for sure, And it feels like there was a
• 1:28:38
  lot of missed opportunities that I feel like the better writers of the movie wouldn't
• 1:28:44
  have missed. Uh and just kind of for the first one not written by
• 1:28:47
  lewanel and yeah, yeah exactly and James Wan and James. So it feels
• 1:28:55
  like it doesn't have quite the horror background. It has the new horror background
• 1:29:00
  as opposed to the horror background. It has the scream oh to It's the
• 1:29:04
  scream O to the New Metal. Dude, it is the scream oh to
• 1:29:08
  the New Metal. I'm pretty excited to talk to you about the fifth one.
• 1:29:13
  I'm on the sixth one now. Oh really, you've already watched the
• 1:29:18
  fifth one? Yeah, I've already watched the fifth one. Yeah, so
• 1:29:20
  should we do it tomorrow? Yeah, we're going to do it tomorrow.
• 1:29:25
  Okay, great dude, dude, our saw marathon. Dude. We're recording
• 1:29:31
  these in such rapid succession, dude, Yeah, dude. And then there
• 1:29:38
  is there's the seventh one, which I think is called the Final Chapter.
• 1:29:45
  Yeah, and then Spiral, I don't know, Spiral part nine, part
• 1:29:53
  is Part nine yeah, and then part ten is coming out this year.
• 1:29:59
  Part ten is coming out in like three days. It's coming out when I
• 1:30:01
  come back. Oh my god, dude, we have to do it.
• 1:30:03
  We have to watch it to do it. Do it live, dude.
• 1:30:06
  We did the first one live, in the last one live, dude.
• 1:30:11
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• 1:30:15
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