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James Goldsmith, Jeffrey Epstein and the Warning Nobody Followed Up On (Part 3) (10/13/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to dive right
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  Speaker 1: back in to that Guardian article talking about the Goldsmiths
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  Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Epstein. Once again this article was published by
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  Speaker 1: the Guardian and the author is Marilyn W. Thompson. Couturier
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  Speaker 1: met Epstein through Isabel Goldsmith, the Titan's oldest daughter. Jet-setting
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  Speaker 1: Isabel became friendly but not romantically involved with Epstein. He said,
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  Speaker 1: and Isabel and Epstein both socialized in New York City's
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  Speaker 1: nightlife scene. Epstein kept Isabel's phone contacts at several addresses
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  Speaker 1: in his little black book that was later seized by
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  Speaker 1: the FBI as evidence. Couturier had grown close to James
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  Speaker 1: Goldsmith and his long-term girlfriend, who hired him in 1981
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  Speaker 1: to renovate a mansion on East 80th Street. Goldsmith cut
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  Speaker 1: famous takeover deals around the dining room table, And his
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  Speaker 1: catered parties attracted the cream of Manhattan society. The exact
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  Speaker 1: kind of place that Jeffrey Epstein wanted to be. If
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  Speaker 1: there was some kind of upper crust party, upper crust environment,
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  Speaker 1: this dude was trying to weasel his way in. Now
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  Speaker 1: before Maxwell showed up, it was a little bit more difficult, right?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants the Coney Island math teacher to come to
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  Speaker 1: their upper crust party. Well, that all changes when Epstein
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  Speaker 1: starts weaseling his way in to rooms he shouldn't be in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with Les Wexner, Leon Black, etc. Isabel told
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  Speaker 1: Couturier that Epstein wanted to discuss hiring him for another
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  Speaker 1: renovation at a huge Upper East Side brownstone purchased by Wexner.
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  Speaker 1: He said, Epstein later moved into the restored mansion at
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  Speaker 1: 9 East 71st Street, about a half mile from Goldsmith's,
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  Speaker 1: and decorated its dark wooded interior with his private art
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  Speaker 1: collection and gaudy fabrics. It became the center of his
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  Speaker 1: sexual misconduct in a dress where the FBI in 2019
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  Speaker 1: carried out boxes of photographs of alleged victims, massage tables,
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  Speaker 1: and sex toys. And we all know that ended up
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  Speaker 1: with Glenn Maxwell going to prison. And those massage tables,
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  Speaker 1: they loomed large over that whole entire trial. And those
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  Speaker 1: massage tables were exactly what the accusers said they were.
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  Speaker 1: And when we got to the point where evidence was
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  Speaker 1: being shown in open court, Maxwell couldn't even dispute it.
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  Speaker 1: Wexner also owned a dilapidated historic townhome next door at
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  Speaker 1: 11 East 71st Street that needed total renovation. The house
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  Speaker 1: was eventually bought through a trust by Trump's Commerce Secretary,
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  Speaker 1: Howard Lutnick, who had said he hardly knew Epstein, his
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  Speaker 1: next-door neighbor. That is some of the most bullshit nonsense
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  Speaker 1: I've ever heard. Oh, I hardly knew him. Next-door neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Had no idea what was going on. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have any surveillance cameras of your own? And you
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  Speaker 1: saw nothing, heard nothing. Nothing ever happened. Nothing worth reporting.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you're telling us? Well, wouldn't you know it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe what Howard Lutnick says. And why don't
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  Speaker 1: I believe him? Well, because he's lied about everything that
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  Speaker 1: has to do with Epstein from the very beginning. Under
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  Speaker 1: questioning by House investigators, Lutnick acknowledged visiting Epstein's for lunch
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  Speaker 1: at the Predators' Caribbean island, Little St. James. Couturier was
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  Speaker 1: approached and interviewed by the FBI in 2010 after Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: first arrest. A record of the interview, which is included
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  Speaker 1: in the Epstein files, indicates that Epstein had approached Couturier
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  Speaker 1: for a high-paying project on Little St. James Island, where
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  Speaker 1: he was asked to provide decor, furniture appropriate for teenage
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  Speaker 1: girls with pink furnishings and bunk beds. Why would he
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  Speaker 1: need that? Now somebody answer that question. Why would Jeffrey Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: a man with no kids... No nieces or nephews that
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  Speaker 1: we know about. Why does he need pink bunk beds?
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  Speaker 1: And why do they specifically have to be pink? I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure it has nothing to do with the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he was abusing underage girls, right? Not Jeffrey Epstein. Don't
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  Speaker 1: you know that what he was up to is a hoax?
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  Speaker 1: Couturier told the Guardian that he remembered Sir Jimmy's earlier warning.
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  Speaker 1: He withdrew from the contact, leading to a legal dispute. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Jeffrey Epstein loved to get busy
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  Speaker 1: and sue people. That was one of his favorite things.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how many lawsuits have we seen Epstein embroiled in?
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  Speaker 1: Over all kinds of shit. Goldsmith was hardly a prude,
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  Speaker 1: Couturier said, but he had no tolerance for inappropriate behavior
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  Speaker 1: with children. And I think that's where most people draw
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  Speaker 1: the line, right? Like, if you want to be a
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  Speaker 1: degenerate and you want to get up to all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of shit, I really don't care. Like, my moral compass
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  Speaker 1: has no effect on anybody else. And I don't try
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  Speaker 1: and project that on anybody else. However you want to
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  Speaker 1: live your life, that's up to you. As long as
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  Speaker 1: everybody's consenting and there's no kids. And I'm certainly not
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  Speaker 1: a prude. I get it. People are going to do
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  Speaker 1: what they're going to do, especially at this level of life.
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  Speaker 1: They got a lot of money. And make no mistake,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of women that are about it. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of women that would love to spend time with
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  Speaker 1: people like this for a fat bag. So I'm certainly
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  Speaker 1: not going to dispute that And there's a whole ass
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  Speaker 1: economy based on it. What I'm talking about is women
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  Speaker 1: and girls that were roped in, coerced, and then trafficked.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. So if Mr. Goldsmith or
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  Speaker 1: anybody else wants to get involved in any kind of debauchery,
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  Speaker 1: I really don't care. Doesn't affect my life one way
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  Speaker 1: or the other. Unless, of course, you're hurting children. Goldsmith's
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  Speaker 1: own domestic life was what his daughter Alex once described
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  Speaker 1: as unconventional, with three wives, numerous girlfriends, and eight children.
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  Speaker 1: Two children were born in New York to his longtime girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: a French journalist, who moved with him to the city.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what I mean. These rich people have
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy proclivities. And these rich men, we
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  Speaker 1: all know what they're up to. And look, I don't
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  Speaker 1: fault people that are, you know, promiscuous or whatever. I
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  Speaker 1: don't care, like I said. And if Mr. Goldsmith wants
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  Speaker 1: to have five wives and all of his wives consent, hey,
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  Speaker 1: go for it. I know personally, having one is plenty, okay?
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  Speaker 1: How many honey-do lists do you need, buddy? How many
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  Speaker 1: people do you need bitching at you about this, that,
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  Speaker 1: or the other thing? I'll stick with one. Another link
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  Speaker 1: between Epstein and Goldsmith was Bear Stearns, where Epstein was
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  Speaker 1: a junior broker until he was targeted in an internal
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  Speaker 1: investigation of his trading practices. He quit in 1981 with
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  Speaker 1: an indignant resignation letter that was included in the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 1: This is when Jeffrey Epstein's journey into asset began, and
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  Speaker 1: during the Bear Stearns situation is when he popped onto
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  Speaker 1: the radar for the authorities. Goldsmith remained a major Bear
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  Speaker 1: Stearns client, and Epstein who somehow remained on good terms
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  Speaker 1: with the brokerage top brass, invested his own and his
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  Speaker 1: clients' money into the firm, which collapsed in 2008. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: always kept an air of mystery around his business deals.
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  Speaker 1: In the 80s, he described himself to friends as a
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  Speaker 1: bounty hunter who traveled the world to recover stolen money
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  Speaker 1: for rich clients. What that means is he's a money launderer,
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  Speaker 1: a colorer, a bundler. And what he would do is
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  Speaker 1: he'd forensically trace down money and then he'd take a
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  Speaker 1: percentage of it when he found it. And that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the ways that Jeffrey Epstein proves himself useful to
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  Speaker 1: these kinds of people. He and Goldsmith knew many of
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  Speaker 1: the same influential people. The Saudi billionaire Adnan Khashoggi, an
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  Speaker 1: international arms dealer, hired Epstein in the 80s for unspecified work,
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  Speaker 1: according to published reports. Well, he hired Epstein to help
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  Speaker 1: him run guns. Epstein was the money man. Khashoggi had
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  Speaker 1: everything else on lock, but Jeffrey Epstein, that was the
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  Speaker 1: dude crunching numbers. That was the dude making sure that
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  Speaker 1: they made as much money as possible. Khashoggi and Goldsmith
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  Speaker 1: were both trusted advisors to President Richard Nixon, who met
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  Speaker 1: with them after his 1974 resignation to discuss overseas income opportunities,
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  Speaker 1: according to a Nixon biographer. Epstein became friendly with a
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  Speaker 1: wealthy international investor, Jean-Johnny Pagozzi, who was in Goldsmith's circle
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  Speaker 1: of advisors and is one of the trustees of Goldsmith's estate,
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  Speaker 1: according to published reports. At one point, Epstein's girlfriend, Maxwell,
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  Speaker 1: emailed Pagosi to get price estimates for his French estate
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  Speaker 1: and nature preserve in Panama, saying that she had an
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  Speaker 1: interested potential buyer of the email show. Well, we all
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  Speaker 1: know how Epstein loves South America and Central America, so
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't shock me in the least. Pagosi, an art
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  Speaker 1: collector and heir to an auto fortune, is best known
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  Speaker 1: in popular culture as the inventor of the selfie, because
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  Speaker 1: of his candid photographs of the rich and famous, including Goldsmith.
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  Speaker 1: He did not respond to messages. Yeah, most of these
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  Speaker 1: people aren't going to respond. I mean, they have nothing
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  Speaker 1: to gain, right? What are you going to gain by
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  Speaker 1: responding to some shit like this? Goldsmith's massive holding company, GOSL,
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  Speaker 1: had operations around the world and a corporate office in
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan run by his trusted team. But in 1985, GOSL
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  Speaker 1: filed papers with the state of South Carolina seeking authorization
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  Speaker 1: to do business in the state. The Guardian found, It
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  Speaker 1: opened an office in Hilton Head, the home of Al Dunlap,
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  Speaker 1: a notorious corporate raider Goldsmith was hiring to run his U.S. operations.
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  Speaker 1: Dunlap had been living part-time on Hilton Head in the
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  Speaker 1: early 80s when he was running a company that made
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  Speaker 1: paper cups. He was among the many corporate bigwigs who
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  Speaker 1: had discovered Hilton Head as a sanctuary for executives and
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  Speaker 1: government officials who needed privacy. Most exclusive neighborhoods were gated
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  Speaker 1: and developed on former rice plantations. Sounds like the kind
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  Speaker 1: of place that someone like Epstein would love to operate. Dunlap,
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  Speaker 1: who died in 2019, had the Wall Street clout to
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  Speaker 1: ask investors to come to him. A newspaper account describes
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  Speaker 1: one session in 85 at a new Marriott Waterfront resort
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  Speaker 1: in Hilton Head where Dunlap pitched a lily tulip stock
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  Speaker 1: offering backed by Wall Street firms to 70 out-of-town investors
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  Speaker 1: before leaving on a global capital raising tour. Some locals
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  Speaker 1: say the atmosphere on the island was so frenetic, with
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  Speaker 1: investors and dealmakers arriving for meetings, that anyone could slip
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  Speaker 1: in and out without notice. Goldsmith's office in Hilton Head
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  Speaker 1: was tasked with selling millions of acres of forest land
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  Speaker 1: the company had acquired in takeovers of U.S. paper companies.
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  Speaker 1: Its vast new holdings stretch from the Pacific Northwest to
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  Speaker 1: the Adirondacks, making Goldsmith's company one of the largest owners
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  Speaker 1: of undeveloped land in the U.S., The Guardian tracked down
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  Speaker 1: former GOSL executive Phil Lader, who was in charge of
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  Speaker 1: land sales, to ask if he recalled seeing Epstein in
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  Speaker 1: Hilton Head during the time GOSL had an office there.
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  Speaker 1: The short answer was no. Lader was a Hilton Head
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  Speaker 1: resident and former chief executive at Sea Pines. In 1981,
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  Speaker 1: he founded the prestigious Renaissance Weekends, which drew luminaries to
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  Speaker 1: the island for private invitation-only retreats. He was especially close
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  Speaker 1: to Bill Clinton, who was governor of Arkansas when he
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  Speaker 1: and his wife Hillary began coming to later's exclusive gatherings.
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  Speaker 1: Other featured guests included Wall Street executives, university and government officials,
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  Speaker 1: and leaders in the arts and sciences. The exact kind
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  Speaker 1: of place Epstein would want to be. But look, we
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  Speaker 1: can't live in fantasy land. If there's nobody there that
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  Speaker 1: can say, look, we know Epstein was hanging out there,
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  Speaker 1: then it's hard to place him there, right? Now, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he wasn't there, but I think we need
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  Speaker 1: some evidence that puts him at the so-called scene of
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  Speaker 1: the crime. Goldsmith hired Lader as a GOSL vice president
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  Speaker 1: in 86, just after he lost a Democratic Party bid
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  Speaker 1: for the South Carolina governorship. Lader was appointed Clinton's deputy
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  Speaker 1: White House chief of staff in 93 and moved to
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  Speaker 1: London four years later when he was appointed ambassador to
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  Speaker 1: the court of St. James. Lader said he never met
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and never heard the name Jeffrey Epstein in my
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  Speaker 1: years on Hilton Head. Epstein reportedly made 17 visits to
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  Speaker 1: the Clinton White House and later flew Clinton on his
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  Speaker 1: private jet. Well, not reportedly, that's what happened. Okay. And
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  Speaker 1: they're still trying to protect Clinton. And it cracks me up.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody who does that, anybody protecting the Clintons when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to Epstein, is not serious about justice. A partially
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  Speaker 1: redacted 2011 exchange in Epstein's email shows he was aware
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  Speaker 1: of Renaissance Weekends, which are promoted on social media as
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  Speaker 1: gathering events places for thought leaders. An unnamed friend asked
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  Speaker 1: Epstein if he had heard of the gatherings. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: Epstein wrote. Asked if it was something I would do
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  Speaker 1: or should do, Epstein wrote yes. Renaissance weekends were held
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  Speaker 1: in Hilton Head for 20 years, then moved to Charleston.
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  Speaker 1: Similar programs are also held in other cities. The woman,
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  Speaker 1: who would come to be known as Jane Doe Fore,
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  Speaker 1: first called an FBI victim hotline to report her alleged
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  Speaker 1: abuse on July 10th, 2019. It was four days after
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's arrest at a New Jersey airport. The agent manning
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  Speaker 1: the phones recommended that she be interviewed in person near
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  Speaker 1: her home in Vancouver, Washington. One of her close friends
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  Speaker 1: made a separate call to anonymously report Jane Doe's abuse.
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  Speaker 1: Jane Doe Ford's federal class action lawsuit, filed later in
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  Speaker 1: New York against the Epstein estate, alleges that she met
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  Speaker 1: Epstein around 1984, when she was a teenager and had
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  Speaker 1: sex with him for several years before when he visited
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  Speaker 1: the island. She said he rented properties, including a villa
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  Speaker 1: at Sea Pines from her mother's realty firm. In four
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  Speaker 1: FBI interviews in 2019, she described her abuser's specific sexual quirks,
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  Speaker 1: including his use of butt plugs. Several were seized when
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  Speaker 1: the FBI gathered evidence in Epstein's home in 2019. Some
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  Speaker 1: details squared with accounts given by other young victims who
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  Speaker 1: came forward during the previous Florida investigation. She described how
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  Speaker 1: he allegedly asked her to recruit friends and took nude
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  Speaker 1: photographs of her, also a part of the pattern, and
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  Speaker 1: repeatedly plied her with drugs and alcohol. The FBI sees
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  Speaker 1: thousands of photographs and videos depicting victims when it searches
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  Speaker 1: various properties. So is there any pictures of Jane Doe 4?
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  Speaker 1: That should be something the FBI can look at, or
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  Speaker 1: the DOJ. I would think that would be a good
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  Speaker 1: line of investigation, no? The Marriott Hotel on Hilton Head
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  Speaker 1: figures heavily in her allegations. She told the FBI about
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  Speaker 1: a pool party there with local teenage girls and older males.
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  Speaker 1: She claimed the older man, she knew as Jeff, made
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  Speaker 1: a brief appearance at the pool before taking her back
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  Speaker 1: to his rented villa. She also mentioned a neighbor she
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  Speaker 1: had talked with during the period of alleged abuse. Her
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  Speaker 1: local attorney told The Guardian he sat in on the
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  Speaker 1: FBI interview and interrupted when she began describing telling other
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  Speaker 1: girls about Jeff. The lawyer said he feared the FBI
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  Speaker 1: might accuse her of aiding her abuser in soliciting other minors.
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  Speaker 1: FBI notes in the case, which were first reported by
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  Speaker 1: the Post and Courier in Charleston, South Carolina, repeat the
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  Speaker 1: woman's allegation that at one point Epstein transported her to
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  Speaker 1: New York or Jersey, where he claimed he introduced her
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  Speaker 1: to Trump, who forced her into a sex act. She
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  Speaker 1: estimated she was about 13 to 15 years old. which
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  Speaker 1: would place the dates between 83 and 85. But she
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  Speaker 1: acknowledged a fuzzy memory. Trump said in a 2002 interview
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  Speaker 1: with New York Magazine that he'd known Epstein for 15 years,
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  Speaker 1: which would date their relationship to 1987. The White House
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  Speaker 1: has denied Jane Doe for his allegations. And look, I
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  Speaker 1: wish I had something more to add. I wish we
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  Speaker 1: had some more evidence that we could place before you
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  Speaker 1: and say here's the smoking gun. But unfortunately, we don't
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  Speaker 1: have that. And I think the FBI has some explaining
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  Speaker 1: to do. They should just release everything they have concerning
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  Speaker 1: this issue. If they don't, it makes people wonder what
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  Speaker 1: they're hiding and why they're hiding it. Jane Doe 4
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  Speaker 1: also offered names of some high school friends who might
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  Speaker 1: have seen her with Epstein. But there's no evidence the
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  Speaker 1: FBI followed up on the leads Jane Doe 4 gave investigators.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the biggest problem. Investigate that shit until the end.
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  Speaker 1: Once everything's exhausted, then we'll go from there. But if
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  Speaker 1: you don't even investigate, how can you tell me there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing here to see? Its interest in her case appears
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  Speaker 1: to have died abruptly when she asked agents what the
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  Speaker 1: point was of her continued cooperation and told them she
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  Speaker 1: intended to join a class action lawsuit filed by the
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  Speaker 1: Bloom Law Firm in December of 2019. A relative of
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  Speaker 1: Jane Doe Ford told The Guardian that that she had
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  Speaker 1: been scarred by layers of trauma as a young girl
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  Speaker 1: from family tragedy and upheaval. She'd spent time in foster
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  Speaker 1: care and had just finished elementary school when the family
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  Speaker 1: made its way south. Jane Doe Ford declined to answer
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  Speaker 1: questions from the guardian relayed through the relative, who considers
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  Speaker 1: her account plausible because she was often unsupervised in her
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  Speaker 1: early teen years. Three friends contacted by the guardian did
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  Speaker 1: not respond to messages. Jane Delfort's attorney at the Bloom
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  Speaker 1: Law Firm told the Post and Courier she ultimately reached
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  Speaker 1: the settlement with Epstein's estate, but declined to give an amount.
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  Speaker 1: So that is pretty damning, honestly. If the estate saw
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  Speaker 1: that she was credible enough to get a settlement, I
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  Speaker 1: would say that the FBI should be investigating those same claims, right?
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  Speaker 1: And look, I'm not saying they're going to get to
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  Speaker 1: a point where they find pay dirt, but they have
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  Speaker 1: to do the legwork. They have to do the basic investigations.
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  Speaker 1: And if they don't do that, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear shit from them. And I certainly don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear anything about a hoax. Court records show a claim
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  Speaker 1: she filed with the Epstein Victims' Compensation Fund, a formal
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  Speaker 1: review panel funded by the estate, was denied. The dates
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  Speaker 1: of her alleged abuse are much earlier than most other
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  Speaker 1: victims who have come forward with claims. In response to
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  Speaker 1: lawmakers' questions about whether Jane Dalfour had received a settlement
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  Speaker 1: from the estate, An attorney for Epstein's accountant, Richard Kahn,
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  Speaker 1: said he could not recall details of all 60 women
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  Speaker 1: who settled with the estate outside of the compensation fund.
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  Speaker 1: The record is far from definitive about whether Epstein ever
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  Speaker 1: visited Hilton Head during this time, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the biggest problem. We don't have concrete evidence of Epstein
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  Speaker 1: being down in Hilton Head. Now, does that mean it's
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  Speaker 1: not true? No, but we don't have the evidence in
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  Speaker 1: front of us. He did not own a private plane
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  Speaker 1: in the 80s, so no travel logs are available. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: did have other real estate development interests at the time,
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  Speaker 1: including a long friendship with a developer who was building
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  Speaker 1: an oceanfront golf course on nearby Kauai Island. Later records
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  Speaker 1: show that the Epstein files show his plane landing at
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  Speaker 1: the nearby Savannah airport several times from 2013 to 2019
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  Speaker 1: for unknown reasons. The email show a redacted exchange in
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  Speaker 1: 2014 suggesting he was on Hilton Head for a March visit. Again,
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  Speaker 1: damning and deserving more of a look. But the FBI,
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  Speaker 1: they decided not to dig deeper. And I guess we'll
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  Speaker 1: have to ask them why. Kenneth Lannan, a retired FBI
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  Speaker 1: expert in child sexual victimization, who has trained hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement agents to investigate abusers, said it was highly
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  Speaker 1: likely Epstein had victims predating his Florida arrest and that
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  Speaker 1: he probably started out slowly and just got better and
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  Speaker 1: better at it as time went on. That's fucking fact.
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  Speaker 1: I've said this from the jump. This man was a
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  Speaker 1: diddler from the very beginning. You're born like this. This
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  Speaker 1: kind of proclivity, this kind of sickness, that shit's embedded
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  Speaker 1: in your brain. And Jeffrey Epstein was born a diddler.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein died a diddler. And there was nothing that
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  Speaker 1: was ever going to change that. The typical sex abuser,
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  Speaker 1: he said, begins targeting and grooming potential victims soon after puberty,
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  Speaker 1: although they may come across as nice guys in regular
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  Speaker 1: social interactions. Money and the ability to travel freely make
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  Speaker 1: the crimes easier to pull off, he said. And once
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  Speaker 1: you have that money, forget it. And that's what really
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  Speaker 1: accelerated Epstein's bullshits. Child victims are often so starved for attention,
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  Speaker 1: they become compliant and have more than one encounter with
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  Speaker 1: the abuser. Jane Doe Forr had a troubled life after
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  Speaker 1: leaving Hilton Head. She married several times and moved to
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  Speaker 1: the West Coast. She returned to be with family in
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  Speaker 1: Georgia and was arrested in 2023 for stealing money from
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  Speaker 1: a dying man. She pleaded guilty and spent a year
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  Speaker 1: in jail. Her brothers were well-educated. One worked for a
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  Speaker 1: few years as a Bear Stearns trader before the brokerage
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  Speaker 1: collapsed and in 2008. A family member told The Guardian
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  Speaker 1: in June that Jane Doe 4 was staying off the
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  Speaker 1: grid and lived in fear of retaliation from the Trump
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  Speaker 1: administration amid the ongoing controversy over the handling of the case.
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  Speaker 1: Which is absolutely pathetic. Imagine living in fear of the
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  Speaker 1: president because you brought some allegations forward? Not exactly the
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  Speaker 1: kind of country I want to live in. Talk about
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  Speaker 1: the highest levels of intimidation, right? The damn president? So look,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to Epstein and his behavior and his climb,
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  Speaker 1: there are many, many rabbit holes that are still not explored.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously, there are many questions that have yet to
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  Speaker 1: be answered. And until we have those answers, we'll be
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  Speaker 1: here swimming through that muck looking for some clarity every
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  Speaker 1: single day. All the information that goes with this episode
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