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Gary McKibben: The Church And The Reshaping Of World Systems · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey, friends, have a special treat across the seas.
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  We're going over to Belfast and catching up with Pastor Gary McKibbin on this World
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  View Matters episode that's coming up.
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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  God bless you, friends.
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  Thank you so much for tuning in.
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  And as always, I know it's redundant.
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  I always say thank you for sharing the podcast.
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  But it is amazing how it's getting out there.
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  I mean, we would have only been doing this in less than two years.
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  And it's astounding the growth.
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  And that's because of you, under God's sovereignty, praise him.
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  Thank you, Jesus.
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  So Gary is the lead pastor for Victory Church in Belfast, Ireland.
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  And the website is victorychurchbelfast.com.
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  Gary, he's got such an interesting background.
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  He's a former professional kickboxing champion and martial arts master.
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  He's just an amazing guy.
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  And so the spiritual warfare, fighting the good fight, he really used to fight.
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  And now he fights in the spiritual as a pastor and all the things he's involved with.
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  But if you missed the previous podcast, we did with Gary.
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  It's on the Freedom Project website or you can go to WorldViewMatters.tv.
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  There it is.
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  And just put his name in there to catch up on that one.
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  Talk about his background a little bit more.
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  WorldViewMatters.tv in the search you can put in Gary McKibben.
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  And the last podcast was God's perfect timing.
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  We talked about converging events and some prophetic milestones.
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  So Pastor Gary, thank you so much for your time today.
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  And good to see you, brother.
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  You too.
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  Thanks for helping me.
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  You're welcome.
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  Now first, let's tell the story about your book.
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  We talked about that last time you were on.
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  It's you kind of got to laugh.
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  It was funny that you shared the story about the cover.
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  So let's go over and talk about your book, which is Guardians at the Gate.
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  There's the original cover.
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  Go ahead and share the story, Gary.
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  It's interesting.
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  So the cover's been changed.
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  And it depends who you buy it off.
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  If you buy it directly from the church, you will get a cover like this.
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  And if you buy it off Amazon, because Amazon just seemed to not like our design, did not
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  like the artist, our artistry around it.
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  I don't think you'd take it like the book, but it's selling anyway.
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  But yeah, the book is primarily about the gates of hell are cracking open in terms of
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  the eschatology of things, how that were at the age of a lot of same age.
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  But now we're starting to see things terraform in the atmosphere.
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  I think back to the likes of the 80s and stuff, and that would be an era that I was comfortable
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  with them as opposed to now.
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  It just seems so much darker.
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  So we take it in the book, we go through things like megalithic structures and their play
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  in the nephilistic news cycle.
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  All the things are sort of common to that peak and that crescendo of things.
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  And what really is the role of the church in this age, in this lavacy and age,
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  how we were being victorious in spiritual warfare.
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  So it tells into the spiritual warfare, we had the great Josh Peck who wrote the forward for it.
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  So I always joke, the book is worth getting even just for the forward.
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  If you ignore everything else, the forward's good.
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  So yeah, you can get it at Amazon.
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  So it's finally a one Amazon.
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  Awesome.
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  So we will direct people to your website, victory church, bell fast.
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  And also friends, if it's easy, if you have Amazon, if you have that, what do you call the app on your iPhone,
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  you can just punch in that and put in guardians at the gate by Gary McKibbin.
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  Yeah, he was checking out some of that Josh Peck's forward.
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  So Gary, we'll talk a little bit more about that because I like, I think,
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  the Leodicean Church is a pretty important topic.
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  And in America, we don't have a lot to compare ourselves to because we don't go to the revelation two and three.
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  We just look at the church in America and then we just kind of see,
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  well, where did we lose it? Where did we start getting comfortable?
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  Where did we start conforming to the world?
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  Where did we start promoting secret sensitive churches and outreaches?
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  And on and on and on, a lot of questions to be answered.
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  But before we do that, you've got a conference coming up at Victory Church, correct?
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  It's a prophecy conference with some of our friends, Pete Garcia, Lee Brainerd.
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  Tell us about that.
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  Yeah, so it's February 20th, 1st of March of 2nd of March.
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  It's the purpose of this sort of thing, both the conference as being battle ready.
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  The idea that we're in this spiritual war for a few minutes.
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  As the things increase, as things converge, as times get darker,
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  we've got Lee Brainerd, Pete Garcia, Kurt Reed, Pastor Troiberr, and myself,
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  and we'll all be talking on this.
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  Given perspectives of certain major prophecies that are converging,
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  reshaping of the world, how it's happening right now, but also what the book,
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  what the Christian needs to be focused on at this point.
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  Because we've got a small window here, a small season.
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  So yeah, so end of this month, or is it the end of February start of March.
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  And it's right on the homepage, friends.
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  You can get the info right there, victorychurchbellfast.com.
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  Sounds fascinating.
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  There are a lot of battles to be fought.
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  And man, the church, I know there's a remnant, and we're pleased with the strength of the remnant,
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  solid Bible believing pastors and prophecy guys and people that really are on the cutting edge.
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  But unfortunately, that's the minority, Gary.
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  Would you care to speak to that?
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  I'm guessing that your church is one that's on the front lines, fighting a good fight,
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  and maybe that's not the case in most of Ireland.
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  As an America, most of America, they're just, I don't know, we've got a lot of work to do, right?
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  Well, when you talk about the remnant, you know what it is, and Revelation 3,
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  talk about the church of Philadelphia, that you're of little strength.
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  And the strength depiction is more about the size and the capability of the authority in terms of the world.
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  It's not saying that you're little strength in terms of your capability,
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  because 1,000 may fall at one side and 1,000 in another.
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  Yeah, we are in the minority.
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  Certainly, Ireland's very a millennial in its approach, you know, within the church.
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  And therefore, the idea of looking at eschatology or dispensationalism,
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  it's not the majority of the church doing this.
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  But we certainly believe that, you know, it's kind of like fight.
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  If you walk into a fight and you have no idea what your opponent is up to or who your opponent is,
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  then how you're ever going to call about that fight.
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  And, you know, being aware of the times and the seasons that were in,
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  I think is paramount for the spiritual walk that we have.
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  So, yeah, we are in the minority, but at the same time, I think the remnant's strong,
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  and we know in 1 Thessalonians 417 that he comes back for those who remain,
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  but the Greek word actually depicts the remnant.
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  It comes back for a remnant.
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  For those who are holding fast to his word and holding fast at his name,
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  the affirmation given to the Church of Philadelphia.
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  I know there's a lot of differences in our countries,
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  but I think am I right in indicating that maybe there's some parallels
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  when it comes to the church, meaning they're like what you just talked about.
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  There are some strong churches that do understand the times.
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  And pastors, church leaders, godly men, boldly standing for the truth of God's word
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  and seeing prophecy and understanding the convergence and all the events.
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  And then there's the majority who maybe, some have even fallen away.
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  I mean, the Bible warns about apostasy too, about churches and leaders falling away.
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  So, is there a similarity there with America from what you know about American church is and in Ireland?
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  Yeah, I would actually say that probably in the Western world,
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  the church model that we have tends to be set from American example,
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  as opposed to from a biblical example.
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  So, if you're talking about certainly evangelical churches,
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  certainly those of the Protestant denominations,
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  they would be mimicking to a large degree that which is produced out of America.
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  So, but that would mean we're slightly behind.
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  So, where you guys have been through the sicker movement,
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  the church growth movement, you know, that's embraced here.
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  So, when you're starving up saying, you know, like Noah did in his day,
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  that time of judgment is coming, that's an unpopular message.
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  So, there's no wonder that you're in the minority.
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  But at the same time, I said, even though we preach that,
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  we preach hope and we preach the confidence that comes from walking with Christ.
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  That's right. I was thinking that they don't like judgment.
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  They don't like repentance.
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  They are word repentance. They don't like discipleship.
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  There's so many things.
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  Gary, how do we get so far away from that?
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  You mentioned the church in the West and then you look at the true biblical church.
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  And man, it's just, you know, what happened?
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  What happened? How do you think we got here to this place?
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  As far as the church goes, church models today?
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  Well, I think to be honest, you know, you can take on two senses.
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  You've got, from about the 1900s, from that, that would be marked in dispensationalism
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  as they start at the age you'd rather see it.
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  And the church, I certainly adopted that lukewarm approach.
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  We could look at Bonhoeffer and, and his,
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  a review of the church throughout World War II,
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  because they were lukewarm.
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  They didn't want to get engaged in things.
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  But then you look at it from the other model.
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  And again, it has come from America in a sort of spread across the world,
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  in which the church tends to operate nine days as a business,
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  compared to the model of the book of Acts.
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  You know, it's about bombs on seats.
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  How many people are sitting there?
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  How many people are, couldn't enter the offering or are tidying as opposed to,
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  well, let's equip the body of Christ for this season that we're in.
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  And I think that's, that's how we've got to the place that we're in.
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  But all of this, all of this is, is kind of, it's prophetic.
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  The fact that the church goes to this road is no difference than the model,
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  no different than the model of the world,
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  the world is going down that track.
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  You know, we talk briefly offline about the restructuring of the world order
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  and how we're seeing that right now.
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  You know, we see things like the Abrahamic shield plan that is now being,
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  that seems to be well on its way to be an implemented.
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  And that's, that's the plan that allows
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  the normalization to resume between Saudi Arabia and Israel.
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  But in the midst of that, it also allows for that territory of Gaza
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  to be under Saudi Arabian kind of management.
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  That's biblical, that's converging, but it's the reshaping of things.
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  So just as the church has been reshaped in terms of kind of entering the dispensation of being lukewarm.
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  And I'm not talking about the globe, like every church or every church member,
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  but that is the, that, like you said, that's the majority,
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  but also we're starting to see the reshaping of the world system
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  and we're all converging to that point.
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  And I think this is why the church needs to be aware of prophecy
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  because we need to be aware of, look, don't let the system that's developing
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  cause you to be changed into that like warm attitude.
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  One of the things I hear continually from people is that they are becoming weary or weary some
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  because, you know, you're seeing the growth of technology,
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  you're seeing the world restructuring, you're seeing the growth of AI,
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  you're seeing hearing things like Stargate and all of this stuff
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  that we know is right out of the also thing.
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  You're hearing all of this and then you're seeing the wickedness in the world
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  and you can grow weary.
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  The truth of it is, you should actually be invigorated like a fighter, right?
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  Whenever you're coming to the end of the ride, you get a thing called a clapper.
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  So the person in your corner will have a clapper.
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  So we, it's a week, not machine.
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  It's just a week thing that they clutch the bush and it does this.
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  So you know how long you've got left.
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  Well, the clapper side it and what happens in a fight is when they know
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  that they've got only 30 seconds left, they give it everything.
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  And I think that that's what the church has to do.
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  Before the rapture of the church, you know,
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  Isaiah 60 verse 2 says that darkness covers the land, deep darkness to people.
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  But you, talking to the church arise and shout,
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  I believe the church has to go supernova, talking about the remnant,
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  supernova, you have to, through caution to the wind,
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  you have to preach to the people that hate you.
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  You have to witness to the people that want your head on a platter.
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  You have to just lay it all out there
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  because there's not long left off the right.
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  There's not long left of that siege.
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  Sorry for speaking for so long.
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  No, that, I love that fight analogy where we were digging in.
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  It's getting close to the end.
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  Those that perceive it and understand the times.
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  We're on board, brother, with what you just shared.
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  Thank you.
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  I thought that was excellent.
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  And also what you mentioned, the corporate model of the churches today.
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  Interesting.
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  I think I'm going to put that in the title of the podcast today.
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  Bums in the seats.
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  The new, the new goal of the modern church.
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  I'm kidding.
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  I'm kidding.
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  Not the title.
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  Anyway, we're going to talk more about restructuring the world's systems.
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  A fascinating topic with Pastor Gary McKibben, a victory church bell fast.
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  Pastor Gary McKibben is our guest today.
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  Author of Guardians at the Gate.
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  End time equipping of the church.
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  And he's the pastor of victory church, bell fast in Ireland.
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  So brother, I'm very interested in hearing more about your take on what's happened regarding the world systems and the restructuring.
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  I think you used a different word.
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  Other than restructuring, reshaping.
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  Yeah, reshaping.
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  Yeah, tell us more about what you're perceiving.
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  Well, I think, you know, we're seeing this in a lot of different elements.
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  So we're seeing it with the rise of artificial intelligence.
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  Like I said, I briefly mentioned stargates and all of that in America, deep sick in China.
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  And all of these elements are.
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  Well, we knew that are coming because of Revelation 13.
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  We knew that the different reshaping is coming because of the big of Daniel on Revelation 17.
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  That there will be a 10 region system.
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  Now, generally it's seen as, as mentioned as a 10 king system, but it's not really 10 kings.
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  It's 10 regions, it's 10 rulers.
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  And you know, we've seen certain things in the rhetoric, certain things being put into play to reshape a new world order.
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  And this is where we're at night.
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  You know, we're seeing this sort of grow.
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  You know, but it's the understand its roots.
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  If you go back to 1939, I'll say, Bailey, the theosophist, the Luciferian,
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  wrote and talked about the need for restructuring or reshaping in the world.
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  And this is obviously not in terms of biblical reshaping.
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  And this is obviously not in terms of biblical reshaping.
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  This is in terms of Luciferian ideal.
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  And the purpose that she put was equity.
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  The idea that certain countries have more resources than others.
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  And then this was later taken up.
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  And you have people like Reffkin, Jeremy Reffkin,
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  another nager who believed that the way that would happen,
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  the way that would be this reshaping, this rejaging of the world,
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  is to allow for government, government, sorry,
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  to take over economy, to really economy,
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  and make the decisions for people.
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  And that is basically the models for the world economic forum.
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  You will own nothing and be happy.
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  And we knew that we're heading in that direction.
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  But then in the last few months, we've seen things like Syria toppled.
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  You know, we've seen Recep Tayyana Erdogan step into Syria.
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  And basically caused that, removing the regime
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  that had its biggest influence around from the territory,
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  and actually reshipping that model there.
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  We're also seeing people like Muhammad bin Salman,
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  who, like I said, will, according to the Abrahamic shield model,
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  will have authority in Gaza.
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  But he is also likely through talks with Donald Trump
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  to get some sort of invitation into the G7.
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  And that's being his desire.
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  It's a reshaping.
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  I think Muhammad bin Salman is a really interesting character.
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  Not that I am on the lookout for the anti-Christ,
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  but he is certainly someone I could see in the 10 region,
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  or 10 king system, that the base model is built upon,
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  Revelation 17.
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  He is known for his, I guess,
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  undeniable involvement in certain disappearances of people
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  and certain things that happen to journalists.
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  But also, you know, you look at his aspirations.
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  His aspirations, even though he claims to,
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  you know, he's from the Saudi communities,
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  from the Saudi wife, bro, family.
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  His aspirations are certainly not based on a religious rhetoric.
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  You know, he's more open than trying to be all things to all people.
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  It's also not by, hasn't caught me off guard,
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  that his name Salman means peace and safety.
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  And first, Estilans 5.3 says that when they're crying out peace and safety,
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  sudden destruction comes upon them.
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  But then you also have the rhetoric that came out from Donald Trump.
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  I think Donald Trump is the right man for the office.
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  I am in favor of an awful lot of what he has done already.
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  Not a big fan of Stargate and not a big fan of his involvement
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  with Sam Elson, Alison of Oracle and not a big fever
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  of artificial intelligence being pushed.
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  But he's also talked about the reshaping of things.
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  He has had phone calls with Greenland.
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  He has talked about the Gulf of Mexico, the Panama Canal.
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  He has talked about Canada being 51st day.
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  And all of this, all of that is straight out of the club of rule model
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  of the 10 region system of 1973.
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  So in 1973, the club of rule, who are bunch of basically top elite guys
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  who got together as a think tank, really, if you trace it back,
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  they have their belief system right out of Theosophy,
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  which is, Theosophy is simply Luciferianism.
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  I concur what way you cut it.
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  It goes back to Blavatsky and she believed that Lucifer was the real God
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  and Yahweh was the bad guy.
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  And when you get to the club of rule, they came up with their model in 1973
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  of dividing up the world into 10 regions that are more easily managed.
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  Okay, so you've got the African Union and North American Union
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  and all of these different areas.
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  And the exact model that Donald Trump talked about,
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  Greenland, Canada, the Gulf of Mexico, the Panama Canal,
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  they are all from the first part of the first region in that 10 region system.
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  Now, we could go into the club of rule, but the problem is that there's been many models
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  of the same elements, right?
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  There was a movement of technocracy back in the 70s and the 80s
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  that talked about dividing the world up into 10 regions that were around by technocrats
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  that were around, you know, basically by those who heard,
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  I guess, knowledge in different positions.
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  And we know that Elon Musk's grandfather, Joshua Haldman,
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  he was a technocrat and he was part of that.
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  And actually, he used to be the chairman of a society that was called social credit system.
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  It was a social credit society.
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  So what we're seeing right now, I personally believe,
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  we're seeing a lot of good things coming out of the American administration,
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  but we're seeing a lot of big things restructuring in the world.
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  Another one to mention is Britain.
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  Like I voted, regardless of people hitting me for it, I voted to leave Europe.
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  I, you know, I was in favor of Brexit.
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  But now we've got Sir Keir Starmer going back to Europe
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  and talking about a European reset with Britain.
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  That's what's happening. It's undemocratic.
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  And a lot of this stuff is undemocratic.
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  But the place, the area, the world is being reshaped.
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  And unfortunately for the Christian, if you're blind to this,
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  it's being reshaped according to the lines that we see in Revelation 17,
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  according to ways to manage society.
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  And why is that happening?
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  What is the big rhetoric they want to build an AI infrastructure?
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  Now, we are currently in a race where China's recent against America,
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  America's recent against Europe, Europe's recent against Britain,
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  Saudi Arabia and the riot declaration of 16th of December 2024
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  showed that Saudi Arabia wants to be number one of this.
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  Everybody's racing for AI dominance.
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  But AI dominance will only rely for global infrastructure
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  for this 10-region system to work.
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  We are racing toward the reshaping of things.
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  On top of that, I know everybody's concerned about artificial intelligence.
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  That's one aspect of it.
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  There's also organic intelligence.
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  And the organic intelligence, I don't know if you've ever watched this,
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  seen this, looked at this.
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  This is meant to eyepiece AI.
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  And what they're basically doing scientists are taking scam cells
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  to grow up human brain cells and alive.
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  And then allowing that to be programmed in a humanoid fashion,
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  so that they can, at the minute, they've got like,
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  they've got like, scam cells playing palm on the computer,
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  but it's just basic, they're directing these brain cells.
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  And this allows for the capability of what?
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  It allows for the capability of Matthew 24, verse 37.
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  You know, as in the days of Noah,
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  so it will be coming at the sum of math.
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  What happened in the days of Noah?
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  Well, we know that there was gene modification through the watchers,
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  the fellow Shemese and Azazel, that corrupted mankind.
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  And that caused this permeation of gene deformities
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  that took mankind literally away from their human side,
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  so that Noah was the only one righteous of his generations.
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  And we're at that.
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  We're at the time in which the structure of AI,
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  Starlink, imagine Starlink covering the whole of the world
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  that they now have an integrated system
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  that they can now track and trace everybody wherever they go.
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  Like, we had the advert on the British TV.
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  I'm sorry if you're talking so quick.
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  We had the, we had the advert on the British TV,
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  a British TV at Christmas that come this Christmas coming in 2025.
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  There will be no more need in Britain for a physically deep.
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  You will all be digital ID.
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  And it was an advert went out.
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  The reason was is because they said that, you know,
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  we're so clumsy when we're trying to open up our wallets
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  and get our ID out that sometimes we drop it.
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  So you will need to take your ID.
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  This is the lunacy of it, who are all going in that direction.
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  So May 7th, there's a digital platform going into America,
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  you know, in regards to interstate travel.
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  All of this is coming on board.
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  Regardless of who is in car.
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  We are heading towards the wefts agenda of 2030,
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  which is basically the biblical agenda,
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  all the 10 regional system that will be taken over by one.
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  And you can get into, we don't have time for it,
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  but you could get into the likes of Alice A. Billy's externalization
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  of hierarchy that signifies 2025.
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  She actually names 2025.
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  Yep.
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  As I, and when you see the return of the Matara,
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  the dare Messiah.
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  Oh, we got to talk more about that next time, Gary.
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  I mean, you brought up Helen Blavask, Helen Blavaski.
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  I haven't heard that name in a while.
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  They're influenced in Lucius Trust.
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  And this Luciferian movement in the ideology we're seeing,
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  we're seeing Warfare at just unprecedented levels
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  if you're paying attention as a Christian.
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  We've just got to stay in the word and keep on believing,
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  fighting this good fight, brother.
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  Thank you.
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  Again, friends, the Prophecy Conference at Victory Church Belfast
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  coming up the end of February and the 1st of March.
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  Thank you so much for your time, brother.
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  Really great to reconnect with you.
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  Appreciate it very much.
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  Thank you.
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  All right. God bless you, friends.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.