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Jury Finds Milwaukee Man Guilty of Killing and Dismembering 19-Year-Old Sade Robin · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that you are committing what you
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think is the perfect physical crime. You managed to completely
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destroy the primary crime scene. You scatter the evidence like
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across state lines. You're using the sheer, vastness of a
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great lake to just completely hide your tracks. Yeah. And
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then you use chemical accelerants to burn the victim's vehicle
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down to its bare metal frame, just ensuring there is
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absolutely zero DNA left behind.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a total physical erasure exactly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, thirty years ago, you probably would have walked free.
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You might have been nothing more than a suspicious person
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of interest in some dusty cold case file. But today
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a jury convicts you in forty five minutes.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because while you were putting all your energy into
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destroying the physical world, your own smartphone was quietly, relentlessly
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writing your confession in the cloud.
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Speaker 3: It really is the defining paradox of modern crime. I
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think we're so hyper focused on what we can see,
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what we can touch, what we can burn. But the
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invisible infrastructure we all carry around in our pockets, right
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the phones, the GPS sensors, the cell tower handshakes, the
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cloud backups. It has completely rewired the whole concept of
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getting away with it because you can erase the physical body,
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but the digital ghost is I mean, it's virtually indestructible.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 3: And when that digital ghost is called to the witness stand,
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it doesn't stutter, you know, it doesn't forget, and you
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really cannot cross examine.
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Speaker 1: It, which brings us to the focus of today's deep dive.
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We are looking into a case that just perfectly encapsulates
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this terrifying collision of extreme physical violence and inescapable digital surveillance.
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We are unpacking the murder and dismemberment of nineteen year
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old Sade Robinson by thirty four year old Maxwell Anderson. Yeah.
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This happened in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and it was following a
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first date on April first, twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: And to really map out exactly how this unfolded, we
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are drawing from a massive stack of sources for this
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deep dive. We have access to the trial testimonies, all
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the incredibly dense legal records, plus the forensic digital footprint
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analysis that they presented in court.
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Speaker 1: There was so much data in this one.
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Speaker 3: A staggering amount. Yeah, and we also have the reports
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detailing the immense lingering impact this has had on the
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Milwaukee community. Because our objective here isn't just to recount
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a true crime timeline.
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Speaker 1: For you, right, We want to understand the mechanics of.
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Speaker 3: It, exactly how a seemingly normal evening dissolved into something
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just horrific, and how investigators build an air tight, undeniable
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legal case out of basically invisible data when the physical
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evidence has been actively intentionally destroyed.
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Speaker 1: The timeline itself just carries a very heavy emotional weight.
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You start with something so incredibly universal for anyone listening
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dinner and drinks, the anticipation of meeting someone new, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, right, We've all been there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And within hours, that totally relatable scenario fractures into
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an intentional, brutal erature of a human life. And I
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think to understand how that fracture happens that we really
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have to start by looking at who was sitting across
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the table from each other that night. We need to
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look at Sade Robinson right so side.
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Speaker 3: She was born May tenth, two thousand and four, so
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she was just nineteen years old at the time of
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this date, and she was actively enrolled as a student
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at Milwaukee Area Technical College. She was actually pursuing a
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degree in criminal justice.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, criminal justice.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it adds a really poignant layer to all of this.
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But the sources paint a very clear picture of her
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daily reality. This wasn't someone just you know, coasting through life.
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She was juggling her education with working in the service industry.
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Speaker 1: Specifically at the pizza shuttle on Milwaukee's East Side.
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Speaker 2: Right, that's the one.
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Speaker 1: I mean. Anyone who has worked a busy service industry
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job while trying to navigate college at nineteen knows exactly
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the kind of grit that requires. Oh absolutely, you're constantly
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on your feet. You're dealing with the public, managing your
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time down to the minute, just to make it to classes.
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And the testimonies from her friends and family they really
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highlight that grit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah they do.
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Speaker 1: She had a difficult childhood, but instead of letting that
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define in her, she was aggressively building her own independence.
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She was described as deeply loving but also like fiercely
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protective of her siblings. She was the one stepping up
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for them, and.
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Speaker 3: That fierce protectiveness usually stems from having to grow up
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a little too fast. You know, when you are the
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anchor for your siblings, you just develop a very strong
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sense of responsibility. You become forward looking.
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Speaker 1: Because other people are relying on you to succeed.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, you're planning for the future. And there's a detail
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about her that the sources mentioned frequently, and it becomes
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this incredibly heartbreaking symbol later on of who she was
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and what was lost. Her favorite color was pink.
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Speaker 1: Pink. It's such a vibrant, lively detail. Yeah, it reminds
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you that despite all the responsibility she carried, she was
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still just a teenager. She was still figuring out her
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personal style, still enjoying the simple, bright things in life,
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which honestly stands in an incredibly sharp contrast to the
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thirty four year old man sitting across the table.
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Speaker 3: From her right, Maxwell Stephen Anderson. He was born in
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nineteen nine, so we're looking at a fifteen year.
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Speaker 2: Age gap here, which is significant.
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Speaker 3: Very in the context of a nineteen year old and
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a thirty four year old. That isn't just a difference
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in years, right, It is a massive disparity in life experience,
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in financial stability and just social navigation.
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Speaker 1: And his background, I mean it reads like a masterclass
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in instability. He briefly served in the United States Navy
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from April twenty eleven to January twenty twelve. But circumstances
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of his discharge are really murky in the public records.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and less than a year of service usually points
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to an administrative septation, so often for failure to adapt,
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maybe medical issues or misconduct.
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Speaker 1: So, following that brief spin, his employment history in Milwaukee
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was primarily in the hospitality in nightlife sectors like he
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worked as a bartender and occasionally insecurity at places like
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the Twisted Fishermen in Victor's Nightclub.
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Speaker 3: Jobs that just by their very nature, surround you with alcohol,
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late nights, high stress social interactions. But his employment isn't
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what drew the attention of investigators, right, It was his
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documented behavior outside of working hours.
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Speaker 1: Right. Because I spent a lot of time looking at
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his criminal record leading up to twenty twenty four and
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it spans from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two. It's
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just a relentless string of misdemeanors. We're talking disorderly conduct,
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criminal damage to property, domestic abuse related charges, battery and
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intimidating a witness.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you lay those charges out chronologically, a
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behavioral mechanism really reveals itself. Like, there's a twenty fourteen
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incident in Delafield where relatives reported him acting highly erratically.
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Speaker 1: What is he doing?
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Speaker 3: He locked someone in a room, stole a car, and
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got into a physical confrontation.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: And then the next year, in twenty fifteen, there was
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an incident in Door County involving significant property damage, and
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it was serious enough that his own relatives were actively
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suggesting he needed professional mental health intervention.
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Speaker 1: That's a huge red flag when family steps in.
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Speaker 2: Like that, definitely.
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Speaker 3: And then a twenty nineteen incident in Milwaukee where he
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actually physically attacked a bystander who merely tried to intervene
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in an argument.
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Speaker 1: And layered on top of all this aggression is a
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severe substance abuse issue. The records show two drunk driving offenses,
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and the most recent one, a twenty twenty two DUI
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in West Allis, is particularly revealing. Oh yeah, he was
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pulled over with a blood alcohol content of zer point
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one four five. I mean that is almost double the
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legal limit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was heavily intoxicate.
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Speaker 1: He had an open container right there in the car,
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and his probation records from that specific incident show he
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was testing positive for not just alcohol, but cocaine and THHC.
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Speaker 3: And the combination of alcohol and cocaine is a massive
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red flag in behavioral psychology and forensic toxicology.
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Speaker 1: Really why specifically those two together.
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Speaker 3: Well, when you consume those two substances together, your liver
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metabolizes them into a completely new third chemical called.
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Speaker 2: Cocathline o cathleen.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and cocathleene is highly toxic. It stays in the
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cardiovascular system much longer than cocaine alone, and crucially for
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this case, it drastically amplifies impulsivity and aggression.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, so it makes it worse, much worse.
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Speaker 3: It essentially short circuits the prefrontal cortex, which is the
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part of your brain responsible for long term planning and
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evaluating consequences.
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Speaker 1: What I want to pause here and just play Devil's
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Advocate for a second, because when we read a true
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crime story, it is incredibly easy to look at a
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rap sheet of misdemeanors, you know, a couple of DUIs,
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some property damage, maybe a bar fight, and say, well,
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obviously there's a killer. But statistically that just isn't true.
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Millions of people have DUIs. Millions of people struggle.
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Speaker 3: With That's absolutely true.
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Speaker 1: The vast, vast majority of those people do not go
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on to commit a meticulously calculated, horrific murder and dismemberment.
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So how do we actually bridge the gap between a
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guy who punches a wall or gets a dui and
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a guy who saws off a human leg.
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Speaker 3: It is the most important question to ask, honestly, because
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because you cannot draw a straight predictive line from a
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dui to a homicide. And the prosecutors at trial they
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were very careful about this.
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Speaker 1: They just say he was destined to do this, right.
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Speaker 3: They did not present his past as a guarantee of
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future murder. What they presented was a documented broken mechanism
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for handling friction. Think of his behavioral history not as
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a map to murder, but as a stress.
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Speaker 2: Test on a bridge.
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Speaker 3: Every time he encountered conflict, his internal controls failed.
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Speaker 1: So it's about the total loss of inhibition.
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Speaker 2: Basically exactly.
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Speaker 3: The leap to extreme violence usually requires a catalyst. You
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have an individual who already uses physical dominance to exert control,
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right like locking someone in a room, attacking a bystander.
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When that baseline need for control meets a moment of
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intense interpersonal friction, maybe fueled by ejection or a perceived slight,
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and the prefrontal cortex is totally offline due to substance
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abuse or sheer rage. The escalation is just explosive power exactly.
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The violence isn't a new behavior, it is the ultimate
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catastrophic manifestation of a coping mechanism he had been relying
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on for a decade. The dismemberment, as we will explore,
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isn't born out of the initial rage. It is a cold,
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desperate secondary action to regain control of the situation that
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has completely shattered his reality.
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Speaker 1: So we have Sad nineteen building her future, stepping into
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the adult world, and we have Anderson thirty four, trailing
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a decade of chaotic, aggressive, chemically fueled impulsivity. On April first,
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twenty twenty four, these two vastly different trajectories intersect. Yeah,
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let's dig into the final hours of that day and
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the digital tracking that mapped every single second of it.
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Speaker 3: Right, So, the data from cell towers and surveillance networks
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confirms they met for a first date, and the location
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they choose is psychologically fascinating. They went to the Twisted
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Fishermen's Seafood restaurant.
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Speaker 1: Which is where you used to work. Yep, this wasn't
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some neutral ground like a random coffee shop in the
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middle of the city. He brought a nineteen year old
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on a first date to his old stomping grounds.
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Speaker 3: Bringing a date to form of turf is a known
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tactic for establishing dominance and comfort. He knows the layout,
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he knows the staff. In fact, multiple employees actually recognized
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him that night, and he openly told a bartender that
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he was there on a first date.
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Speaker 1: It projects a false sense of security. It says, look,
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how well liked and comfortable I am here?
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Speaker 3: Exactly, so, they have dinner, they have some drinks, and
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then they leave and head to a second location. It
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was a sports bar in downtown Milwaukee.
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Speaker 1: And up until this point everything exists in the public
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sphere right. They're surrounded by ambient noise, weight, staff, security cameras,
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other patrons. But after they leave that downtown bar, the
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dynamic completely shifts. Sad Robinson basically disappears from physical public view,
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but her digital presence lights up.
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Speaker 3: This is where the investigation transitions from relying on human
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witnesses to relying on the data because said had an
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app called Life three sixty installed on her. For those unfamiliar,
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it is a location sharing app primarily used by families
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and close friends to just keep track of each other's whereabouts.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's heavily marketed as a safety net. You
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download it, you link it with your siblings or parents,
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and the idea is, if I'm walking home late at night,
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or if I go on a date, you guys have
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my location. If something goes wrong, you know exactly where
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to find me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the promise.
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Speaker 1: But the reality of how these apps function in a
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criminal context is incredibly dark. Because Life three safety doesn't
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have arms to reach out and pull you from danger.
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It doesn't have a voice to scream for help. It
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is entirely passive.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't protect you at all.
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Speaker 1: No, it just coldly records the geometry of the tragedy.
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Speaker 3: That's a haunting way to put it, but it's true.
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The technological mechanics of how Life three sixty works are
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crucial here. It doesn't just ping a cell tower once
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an hour. It utilizes the smartphone's assisted GPS or AGPs.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what does that mean exactly?
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Speaker 3: It means the phone is constantly communicating with a network
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of orbiting GPS satellites while simultaneo triangulating its position based
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on the relative signal strength of nearby cell towers and
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even local.
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Speaker 2: Wi Fi networks.
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Speaker 3: So it's very precise, highly precise. It is pulling continuous
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spatial data. It also accesses the phone's accelerometer, so the
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app actually knows if you are walking, driving, or just
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sitting still.
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Speaker 1: So when investigators eventually looked at Sade's Life three sixty data,
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they weren't just looking at a dot on a map.
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They were looking at a highly detailed chronological journey. And
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that journey showed her phone leaving the downtown bar and
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traveling directly to Maxwell Anderson's residence on the south side.
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Speaker 3: Of Milwaukee, and once the phone crossed the threshold of
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his front door, the public day ended and the closed
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door reality began. What happened inside that house is the
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central void of the physical investigation. We don't have video
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of it, but Anderson's own hubris provided the most damning
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evidence of.
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Speaker 1: All the deleted photos. This is the part of the
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deep dive that is just incredibly grim, but it is
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the absolute cornerstone of the prosecution's case.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to talk about. When investigators eventually seized
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Anderson's smartphone, they subjected it to a forensic extraction. They
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used tools designed to essentially scrape every single sector of
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the device's memory, and they recovered digital photographs that Anderson
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had taken that night inside his home, photographs he had
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actively tried to delete.
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Speaker 1: And the images were horrific. They showed sad completely incapacitated.
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She was lying face down on a couch, her face
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buried in a cushion, Her clothing was displaced, her breast
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was exposed, and the photograph captured Anderson's own hand resting
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on her.
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Speaker 3: The forensic link here is beyond disturbing because the state
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pointed out that this specific breast exposed and being touched
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in the photograph was the same body part that was
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later found severed. Got this just yeah? Assistant District Attorney
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Ian Vance Kurzan used these images to establish a really
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vital legal threshold. He argued that these photos didn't depict
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a consensual encounter or even an argument that got out
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of hand. No, they depicted a woman who was physically
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incapable of resisting. They documented a state of utter vulnerability
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and incapacitation just prior to her death.
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Speaker 1: I need to understand the psychology behind this, though. Why
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would someone in the middle of committing an escalating violent
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crime pull out a smartphone, a device they know is
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connected to the internet, a device they know logs timestamps
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and GPS coordinates, and take a photograph. Is this just
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the modern version of a serial killer taking a lock
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of hair.
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Speaker 3: It is exactly the modern evolution of trophy taking. Historically,
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forensic psychologists have studied perpetrators who take physical items from
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the scene. Right, jewelry, clothing, identification card.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the classic trophies, right.
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Speaker 3: And these trophies serve a specific psychological purpose. They allow
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the offender to revisit the crime later. They act as
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a tangible trigger to re experience the feelings of power, dominance,
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and control they exerted over the victim.
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Speaker 1: But taking a physical item requires carrying it, hiding it,
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risking someone finding it in a drawer or a shoe
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box under the bed. Taking a photo seems so much
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more immediate, but also so much more dangerous from an
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evidentiary standpoint.
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Speaker 3: The smartphone has completely lowered the barrier to entry for
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trophy taking. Though takes one second, it provides a perfect,
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high resolution capture of the ultimate moment of control, and
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in that split second, the arrogance of the perpetrator just
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outweighs their caution.
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Speaker 1: They feel invincible exactly.
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Speaker 3: They are caught up in the fantasy of their own dominance.
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But the psychology shifts rapidly once the adrenaline fades and
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the reality of the situation actually sets in, which explains why.
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Speaker 1: He deleted them. He wakes up from the fantasy, realizes
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he has a digital confession sitting right there in his
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camera roll, and hits the trash can icon. But I
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think a lot of people don't actually understand what happens
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when you pressed elite on a smartphone. We think it's
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like throwing a physical polaroid into a wood chipper.
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Speaker 3: And that fundamental misunderstanding of computer science is exactly what
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catches so many criminals, because when you take a photo
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on a modern smartphone, the data is written to the
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devices nan flash.
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Speaker 1: Memory okay, nan flash right.
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Speaker 3: A file system. Think of it as a massive digital
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index creates a pointer that says photo hashtag one two
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three is located in this specific block of.
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Speaker 2: Memory, like a table of contents in a book, exactly
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like that.
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Speaker 3: So when you hit delete, the operating system does not
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actually scramble or erase the image data itself. All it
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does is delete the pointer in the index. It tells
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the phone, Hey, this block of memory is now available
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to be written over if you need the space.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, So the photo is still sitting there, perfectly intact,
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just hiding in the dark, waiting to be overwritten by
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a new text message or an app, a date or whatever.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, precisely until the device explicitly needs that exact sector
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of flash memory to save something new, the ones and
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zeros that make up that horrific photograph remain entirely intact
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in the unallocated space. Law enforcement uses sophisticated software like
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Celebrate to bypass the phone's operating system, read the raw
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binary data of the entire memory chip, and basically reconstruc
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those files.
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Speaker 1: So deleting a photo on a phone is like ripping
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the table of contents out of a book, and assuming
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the chapters disappear.
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Speaker 3: That's a perfect analogy. They didn't disappear at all.
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Speaker 1: So Anderson takes the photos, deletes them, and the timeline
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shifts into the early dark hours of April second, the
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crime transitions from murder to an incredibly elaborate, frantic cover up.
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Speaker 3: The digital breadcrumbs paint a very clear picture of this
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macabre journey. Said's vehicle, a twenty twenty Honda Civic, leaves
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Anderson's residence. The data attracts the car moving to Warnamont
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Park and cut a Het, Wisconsin, which sits directly on
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the edge of Lake Michigan.
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Speaker 1: And the prosecution's theory was that the actual dismemberment occurred
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here under the cover of darkness out in the park.
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Speaker 3: And the geography of Warnamont Park is highly significant to
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the psychology of the concealment. When a perpetrator attempts to
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dispose of a body in a massive body of water
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like Lake Michigan, the intent is absolute physical erasure.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: They are relying on the currents, the sheer depth, and
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aquatic scaps to ensure the remains are never found, rendering
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a cause of death or even a positive identification impossible.
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Speaker 1: But the reality of water disposal is rarely as clean
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as a criminal hopes, and later that exact same day,
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April second, the concealment completely fell apart. A citizen walking
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in the park made a horrific discovery a severed human leg.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and forensic analysis of the leg indicated it had
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been deliberately sawn off. This wasn't the result of an
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animal attack or some random boating accident. It was a
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clear case of human inflicted post mortem mutilation. And unfortunately,
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this was just the first of several grim discoveries over
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the following days and weeks.
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Speaker 1: Right because a torso and an arm were later found
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in South Milwaukee, and weeks later another arm washed ashore
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all the way down in Waukee in Illinois, the currents
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of Lake Michigan had just scattered the evidence across state lines.
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And I really want to acknowledge the ongoing, unimaginable reality
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for her family here. Sade's head and other parts of
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their remains have never been recovered.
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Speaker 2: It's devas stating the destruction was systematic.
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Speaker 1: But Anderson's attempts to erase the evidence didn't stop at
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the shoreline. He also targeted the vehicle right.
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Speaker 3: Because later on the evening of April second, the focus
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shifts to the north side of Milwaukee, near the intersection
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of thirtieth Street in Lisbon Avenue surveillance cameras in the
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area capture sades. Honda Civic engulfed in flames and.
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Speaker 1: Fire is the classic forensic countermeasure. Right You watch any
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crime show and the bad guy burns the car to
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destroy the DNA, the fingerprints, the hair follicles, and it
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works to an extent. It does. The intense heat of
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a vehicle fire denature's the proteins in DNA, making it
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incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to extract a viable profile
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from the ashes.
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Speaker 3: It destroys the biological evidence, yes, but it introduces a
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completely new avenue of chemical evidence. The state crime lab
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analyzed the charred remains of the Honda Civic. They collected
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debris from the seat of the fire, sealed it in
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airtight metal cans to prevent evaporation, and took it back
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to the lab.
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Speaker 1: Wait, how do they actually find what started a fire
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when everything is just black ash and melted plastic seems impossible.
21:07
Speaker 3: They use a technique called gas chromatography mass spectrometry or GCMs. Okay,
21:12
they heat the sealed cam which forces any remaining volatile
21:16
chemicals in the debris to basically vaporize they draw off
21:20
that vapor and inject it into the gas chromatograph, which
21:23
separates the chemical mixture into its individual molecular components, and
21:27
then the mass spectrometer bombards those molecules with electrons to
21:31
create a specific mass spectrum, like a chemical fingerprint.
21:34
Speaker 1: And what did that fingerprint reveal?
21:36
Speaker 3: In this case, it revealed the undeniable presence of an
21:39
ignitable petroleum distillate. This wasn't an electrical short in the
21:42
dashboard or some freak engine fire. Someone intentionally poured a
21:47
highly flammable liquid into that car and lit a match.
21:51
It was a deliberate, calculated act of arson, designed specifically
21:56
for evidence destruction.
21:57
Speaker 1: But this is where the entire concept of the you
22:00
know criminal mastermind completely falls apart from me because surveillance
22:04
video catches the immediate aftermath of this arson. Anderson is
22:08
seen on camera walking away from the burning wreckage of
22:11
sods car. He's wearing a backpack. And what does he
22:14
do next. He doesn't disappear into the woods, he doesn't
22:17
have a burner car waiting in an alley. He walks
22:19
to a bus stop and boards a Milwaukee County Public
22:22
Transit bus.
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Speaker 3: It is one of the most stunning contradictions in the
22:25
entire case file.
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Speaker 1: I am really struggling to reconcile these two realities. On
22:29
one hand, you have a man executing a highly complice,
22:32
multi stage concealment. He does members a victim, scatters the
22:36
remains in a great lake, and utilizes petroleum distillates to
22:39
chemically erase a crime scene that requires planning, physical effort,
22:43
and a high degree of cold calculation. And then literal
22:47
minutes later, he gets onto a public city bus, a
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vehicle that is essentially a rolling surveillance hub, covered in
22:54
high definition cameras inside and out, recording every passenger's face
22:58
and timestamping their movements. How does a brain bridge the
23:02
gap between I must chemically erase my DNA and I'll
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just take public transit home.
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Speaker 3: To understand that, you have to look at the cognitive
23:10
load and the physical toll of what he had just
23:12
done over the preceding twenty four hours. We tend to
23:15
view crimes through the lens of a movie script, where
23:17
the antagonist operates with cool, flawless logic from start to finish,
23:22
like there are always ten steps ahead, right, But the
23:24
biological reality of committing a murder dismembering a human being,
23:28
transporting those remains and setting a vehicle on fire is utterly.
23:32
Speaker 1: Exhausting, so his brain is just misfiring.
23:34
Speaker 3: By that point, it is experiencing a massive cognitive depletion.
23:37
His prefrontal cortex, the logical planning part of the brain
23:41
that said burn the car to destroy the DNA, is
23:43
completely tapped out.
23:44
Speaker 1: It's just done.
23:45
Speaker 3: He is running on adrenaline, fear, sleep deprivation, and the
23:49
intense psychological stress of the axe he just committed. Once
23:53
the fire is lit, the immediate overwhelming drive shifts to
23:57
the amygdala, the primitive lizard brain, and the lizard brain
24:00
doesn't care about the intricacies of ambient surveillance networks. The
24:04
lizard brain only cares about one thing, getting away from
24:08
the immediate source of danger, which is the burning car
24:12
and the impending arrival of the fire department.
24:14
Speaker 1: He just needed motion. He needed to be anywhere else exactly.
24:17
Speaker 3: He can't call an uber or a lift, because that
24:20
would require using an app tied directly to his credit
24:22
card and digital identity, creating a permanent, undeniable log of
24:26
his exact location and destination. A bus, on the other hand,
24:30
requires no identification to board. You just pay the fair
24:32
and sit down. It feels anonymous, but it's a false
24:35
anonymity entirely. It's a phenomenon we see constantly in modern investigations,
24:39
ambient surveillance blindness.
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Speaker 1: Ambient surveillance blindness.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, perpetrators focus all their energy on hiding from direct observers.
24:47
They act in the dark. They look around to see
24:49
if anyone is watching them burn the car, but they
24:52
vastly underestimate the passive, constantly recording electronic eyes that blanket
24:56
modern city. To just tune it out, he thought the
24:59
fire severed his connection to the car. He didn't realize
25:02
that the ring doorbell cameras on the residential street, the
25:04
security cameras on the corner bodega, and the multiple lenses
25:07
on the county bus would flawlessly stitch together his escape
25:11
route frame by frame, creating an unbroken visual timeline of
25:15
his guilt.
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Speaker 1: So the severed leg is found, the car is extinguished
25:19
and analyzed. The digital tracking data from Life three sixty
25:22
is sitting on servers waiting to be pulled. Now the
25:25
investigators have to step in and try to make sense
25:27
of the chaos. Let's talk about the investigation and the
25:31
massive challenge of building a homicide case when the most
25:33
crucial physical evidence is entirely missing.
25:37
Speaker 3: The discovery of the leg at Warnemont Park was the catalyst.
25:40
Once forensic analysts extracted DNA from that remain and cross
25:43
referenced it with recent missing persons reports, they got a
25:47
hit on, said Robinson.
25:48
Speaker 1: And overnight this transformed from a concerning missing person file
25:53
into a massive, multi agency homicide and dismemberment investigation.
25:57
Speaker 3: Right and the sheer tenacity of the lawn perforcement involved
26:00
is a major theme in the sources. The trial highlighted
26:04
the work of lead investigator Joanne Donner from the Milwaukee
26:07
County Sheriff's Office. She testified that she worked exclusively on
26:11
the single case for fourteen straight months.
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Speaker 1: Wow, fourteen months of just this.
26:17
Speaker 3: She lived and breathed this investigation. She had to process
26:21
the most graphic, traumatizing physical evidence imaginable while simultaneously navigating
26:26
incredibly frustrating gaping holes in the forensic record.
26:30
Speaker 1: And those gaps are exactly what defense attorneys look for
26:33
to introduce reasonable doubt. Absolutely because despite a massive exhaustive search,
26:37
executing multiple warrants, investigators never found the specific tool used
26:41
for the dismemberment. They couldn't point to a bloody saw
26:44
in a garage and say this is the weapon. Furthermore,
26:46
the exact physiological cause of death remained undetermined because they
26:49
never recovered the necessary remains to perform a complete autopsy.
26:53
Speaker 3: But the physical gaps at Anderson's residence were the most
26:56
shocking to me. If you believe the prosecution's theory that
27:00
was killed and potentially dismembered inside his home, you would
27:03
expect that house to be a forensic nightmare.
27:06
Speaker 1: You'd expect blood in the floorboards, yeah, DNA in.
27:09
Speaker 3: The drains, right, But crime scene technicians went through that
27:12
house with a fine tooth comb. They used luminol to
27:15
check for clean up blood. And what did they find.
27:18
Absolutely no DNA from Sade Robinson was recovered from inside
27:23
Maxwell Anderson's home. None.
27:25
Speaker 1: It is a staggering absence of physical evidence. They did
27:28
find some blood on the walls of his home, which
27:29
initially seemed like a massive breakthrough, but when the lab
27:32
tested it, it came back as canine blood, not human. Yeah,
27:37
and the gaps worked both ways, just as there was
27:40
no victim DNA in the suspect's house. There was absolutely
27:43
no suspect DNA found in the burned out wreckage of
27:46
the victim's.
27:47
Speaker 2: Car, which is wild.
27:48
Speaker 3: Decades ago, before the advent of smartphones and pervasive surveillance,
27:52
this case would have been incredibly difficult to prosecute.
27:55
Speaker 1: A defense attorney would stand in front of a jury
27:57
and say, no murder weapon, no cause of death, new
28:00
victim DNA at the supposed crime scene, and no suspect
28:03
DNA in the car, You must quit. So how does
28:06
a modern prosecutor overcome that seemingly insurmountable lack of physical proof.
28:11
Speaker 3: They overcome it by mapping the digital ecosystem. If the
28:15
physical world has been scrub clean, investigators turned to the
28:18
invisible data that cannot be bleached or burned. They began
28:21
by combining Sade's highly specific life three sixty GPS data
28:26
with historical cell site analysis of Anderson's phone.
28:29
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, how does historical cell site analysis differ from
28:32
the GPS tracking on her phone?
28:34
Speaker 2: Good question.
28:34
Speaker 3: GPS relies on satellites to pinpoint a device's exact coordinates.
28:38
Historical cell side analysis relies on the billing and routing
28:41
records kept by cellular providers like AT and T or Verizon.
28:45
Speaker 1: Okay, so the cell towers.
28:46
Speaker 3: Right, every time a phone makes a call, sends a text,
28:49
or even just performs a background data refresh, it connects
28:53
to the nearest, strongest cell tower. These towers are divided
28:57
into sectors, usually one hundred and twenty degree wedges. By
29:00
pulling these records, investigators can see which tower and which
29:03
specific sector a phone connected to at a specific minute.
29:07
I see when you overlay that cell tower data with
29:10
the precise GPS pings from Life three sixty. You don't
29:14
just put the suspect and the victim in the same
29:16
general zip code. You map their concurrent movements across the
29:19
city with devastating accuracy.
29:21
Speaker 1: And then they corroborated that invisible data with visible proof.
29:25
The web of surveillance video they compiled was monumental. They
29:28
didn't just have the bus camera. They canvassed the neighborhoods.
29:31
They pulled footage from private citizens' ring doorbell cameras. They
29:36
subpoened security fees from local businesses along the routes the
29:38
phones traveled. They essentially built a stop motion movie of
29:42
his movements, validating every single digital ping with a corresponding
29:46
visual frame.
29:47
Speaker 3: And while the primary crime scenes, the house and the
29:49
car yielded frustratingly little physical evidence linking the two investigators
29:54
did find one vital piece of secondary physical evidence. During
29:58
a search, they recovered a sweatshirt that Anderson was seen
30:01
wearing on surveillance video the day after the date, and.
30:04
Speaker 1: When they swabbed that sweatshirt, they found mixed DNA.
30:07
Speaker 3: Yes, mixed DNA is exactly what it sounds like, a
30:10
biological sample that contains genetic material from more than one contributor.
30:15
In this case, the state crime lab isolated DNA from
30:18
both Maxwell Anderson and Sade Robinson on that single garment.
30:22
Speaker 1: This brings up the concept of touch DNA, right. It
30:25
doesn't have to be a massive bloodstain.
30:27
Speaker 3: Correct touch DNA or transfer DNA relies on the fact
30:31
that humans shed thousands of microscopic skin cells epithelial cells
30:35
every single day. When you grasp someone's arm or prints
30:38
against them, the friction transfers those cells onto their clothing
30:42
just from touching. Yeah. Forensic scientists use a process called
30:45
polymerase chain reaction or PCR to amplify those microscopic traces.
30:50
Copying the DNA millions of times until they have a
30:53
large enough sample to generate a distinct genetic profile. Finding
30:57
both of their profiles mixed on a garment he wore
30:59
after her disappearance provided a crucial physical tether to support
31:03
the digital timeline.
31:04
Speaker 1: It's a classic circumstantial case, and I think the word
31:07
circumstantial gets a really bad rap in pop culture. People
31:11
hear circumstantial evidence and they think it means weak who
31:14
are coincidental. But legally speaking, circumstantial evidence can be far
31:18
more powerful and reliable than direct evidence.
31:21
Speaker 3: It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the law. Honestly, direct evidence
31:25
would be an eyewitness saying I saw him stab her,
31:28
or a video of the murder taking place. The problem
31:31
with direct evidence, like eyewitness testimony, is that human memory
31:34
is notoriously flawed, subject to bias and degrades over time.
31:39
Circumstantial evidence, on the other hand, is a collection of
31:41
undisputed facts that, when viewed collectively, point to only one
31:45
logical conclusion.
31:47
Speaker 1: It's the difference between finding a bloody knife in a
31:49
suspect's hand, which is direct evidence, versus finding one hundred
31:53
footprints in fresh snow leading directly from the victim's body
31:56
to the suspects front door. The footprints are circumstantial, but
32:00
they tell an undeniable story.
32:02
Speaker 3: Exactly if the prosecution only has one drop of blood,
32:06
a skilled defense attorney can argue it got there by
32:08
a sneeze, or a secondary transfer, or a lab contamination.
32:12
There's wavele room, but look at the circumstantial web. In
32:15
this case, the cell tower data proves Anderson's phone was
32:18
at Wanamont Park. The GPS data proves Side's phone was
32:22
at Warnamont Park at the same time. The physical evidence
32:25
proves a severed leg was found at that exact location.
32:28
The digital forensics recovered deleted photos of the victim incapacitated
32:32
on his couch. The surveillance video shows him walking away
32:35
from her burning car.
32:37
Speaker 1: The sheer volume of those circumstances just eliminates the possibility
32:40
of coincidence. A single digital ping is a thread you
32:44
can snap, but thousands of pings, timestamps, cell tower sectors,
32:49
and video frames weave a net that is impossible to escape.
32:53
The digital evidence is cold, objective, and relentless. It doesn't misremember,
32:58
it doesn't get confused on cross exams aamination, and it
33:01
cannot be intimidated.
33:02
Speaker 3: After fourteen months of painstakingly weaving that net, investigator Donner
33:06
and the prosecution team finally brought the case to court
33:09
in late May of twenty twenty five, and.
33:11
Speaker 1: The scale of the trial really reflecting the complexity of
33:14
the digital investigation we just walked through. It lasted for
33:17
nearly two weeks, and the prosecution called an astounding sixty
33:20
five witnesses to the stand.
33:22
Speaker 3: That's a huge roster.
33:23
Speaker 1: You have to imagine the emotional toll that took on
33:25
the jury. They sat there for days, absorbing everything we've discussed.
33:29
The meticulously constructed timelines, the highly technical explanations of cell
33:33
side analysis, the profoundly disturbing deleted photos of SOD on
33:37
the couch, the Life three sixty location data pinpointing the
33:40
exact spot the leg was dumped, and the mixed DNA
33:43
on the sweatshirt.
33:43
Speaker 3: They also had to view the autopsy photos, which in
33:47
a dismemberment case are uniquely traumatic, just awful. The prosecution
33:51
didn't just present the evidence, they presented a narrative of
33:55
extreme malice. Assistant District Attorney Vance Kurzan, during his close arguments,
34:01
framed the mutilation not merely as a desperate, panicked cover
34:04
up to hide a homicide. He argued, it was a deliberate,
34:08
intentional act of ultimate degradation. It was a final, horrific
34:12
exertion of control over a young woman who had spent
34:15
her life trying to build her own independence.
34:18
Speaker 1: And on the other side of the courtroom you have
34:19
defense attorney Anthony Cotton, and his strategy was fascinating, primarily
34:23
for what he chose not to do. Maxwell Anderson did
34:26
not take the stand to testify in his own defense.
34:28
But even more striking, the defense called zero witnesses, not
34:32
a single expert to refute the cell data, not a
34:35
single character witness. Nothing.
34:37
Speaker 3: From a layman's perspective, resting without calling a single witness
34:41
looks like giving up. But strategically it is a very
34:44
common and legitimate legal maneuver.
34:46
Speaker 1: Really, why wouldn't they try to counter it? Well?
34:48
Speaker 3: In the American justice system, the burden of proof rests
34:51
entirely one hundred percent on the state. The defense is
34:54
under no obligation to prove innocence. Their only job is
34:58
to poke enough holes in the prosecution narrative to let
35:01
reasonable doubt seep in ah. Calling a defense witness opens
35:05
that witness up to cross examination by the state, which
35:08
can often backfire and inadvertently strengthen the prosecution's case. Cotton
35:13
decided that the safest play was to attack the gaps
35:15
in the state's evidence rather than try to build a
35:18
competing narrative, and.
35:19
Speaker 1: He hammered those gaps relentlessly. He pointed to the glaring
35:23
absence of direct evidence regarding the actual moment of death.
35:27
He leaned heavily on the fact that, despite hours of
35:29
searching with luminol, not a single drop of Suddah's blood
35:33
or a single skin cell of her DNA was found
35:35
inside the house with a state alleged she was.
35:37
Speaker 3: Murdered, which is a strong point for a defense attorney to.
35:39
Speaker 1: Make right and He also tried to use the surveillance
35:42
video to his advantage, pointing out that Anderson appeared relatively
35:46
calm and casual while walking away from the burning car
35:49
or riding the bus, arguing that a man who had
35:52
just committed a frantic, gruesome murder wouldn't look so relaxed.
35:56
Speaker 3: The crux of Cotton's argument focused on the most severe charge,
36:00
first degree intentional homicide in Wisconsin. To secure a conviction
36:05
for first degree intentional homicide. The state must prove beyond
36:09
a reasonable doubt that the defendant had the specific intent
36:12
to kill.
36:12
Speaker 2: The victim, so couldn't just be an accident exactly.
36:15
Speaker 3: Cotton argued that even if the jury believed Anderson was
36:18
involved in the gruesome aftermath, like the burning of the
36:20
car the disposal of the remains, the state had fundamentally
36:24
failed to prove he intended to cause her death in.
36:26
Speaker 2: The first place.
36:28
Speaker 3: He suggested it could have been an accidental death, an overdose,
36:31
a tragic mishap, and that the subsequent actions were born
36:34
of panic, not malice, a forethought.
36:36
Speaker 1: Which brings us to the verdict. June sixth, twenty twenty five,
36:41
the jury, comprised of nine women and three men, receive
36:44
their final instructions from the judge. They have just endured
36:48
two grueling weeks of highly technical, deeply disturbing testimony from
36:53
sixty five different witnesses. They retreat to the jury room
36:57
to deliberate, and the speed of their decision is something
37:00
I am still trying to wrap my head around.
37:02
Speaker 2: Oh, it's wild.
37:03
Speaker 3: They deliberated for a total of forty five minutes.
37:05
Speaker 1: Forty five minutes.
37:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, they spent about fifteen minutes in the jury room
37:08
on a Thursday afternoon, or sent home for the evening.
37:11
Return the next morning, deliberated for another thirty minutes and
37:13
announced they had reached a unanimous verdict.
37:16
Speaker 1: They found him guilty on all counts first degree intentional homicide,
37:20
mutilating a corpse, and arson. Just as a point of
37:23
legal clarity, the sources note that an initial charge of
37:26
hiding a corpse was ultimately dismissed.
37:28
Speaker 3: Right.
37:28
Speaker 1: I remember that this wasn't due to a lack of evidence,
37:32
but because of a specific Wisconsin statute that prevents a
37:35
defendant from being convicted of both hiding a corpse and
37:37
mutilating a corpse under these specific overlapping circumstances. But the
37:42
heavy charge is stuck.
37:43
Speaker 3: A forty five minute verdict in a two week murder
37:45
trial is structurally incredible. When a jury deliberates for days,
37:50
they're usually arguing over the credibility of a specific witness,
37:54
trying to parse conflicting expert testimonies on ballistics or DNA,
37:58
or wrestling with a timeline that doesn't quite make sense.
38:01
Speaker 1: But I guess in this case there was simply nothing
38:02
to wrestle.
38:03
Speaker 3: With exactly When a defense attorney builds their entire strategy
38:07
on missing physical links, like the lack of DNA on
38:10
the four boards, that argument basically evaporates the moment the
38:14
jury looks at the defendant's own smartphone data. H The
38:17
jury didn't need to debate whether a witness was lying
38:20
because the primary witness was the GPS satellite data. The
38:23
primary witness was the time stamp on the.
38:25
Speaker 2: Deleted photos, which don't lie, No, they don't.
38:28
Speaker 3: The forty five minutes of deliberation likely consisted of electing
38:31
a four person, taking one initial poll around the table,
38:35
realizing every single person in the room was already convinced
38:38
beyond a reasonable doubt, and taking thirty five minutes to
38:40
carefully fill out the verdict forms. The digital net was
38:44
so tight it suffocated any alternative theory.
38:47
Speaker 1: The legal question of guilt was answered swiftly and decisively
38:50
in under an hour, But as we move into the aftermath,
38:53
we really have to acknowledge that Forsade's family and for
38:56
the entire city of Milwaukee, the emotional rec was just beginning.
39:02
Speaker 3: The sentencing hearing took place a few months later, on
39:04
August first, twenty twenty five. Judge Laura Cravello presided, and
39:09
the sentence she handed down reflected the abhorrent nature of
39:12
the crime. She gave Anderson a mandatory life sentence without
39:15
the possibility of extended supervision for the homicide.
39:18
Speaker 1: Wow life about parole.
39:20
Speaker 3: Yeah. Crucially, she ordered the sentences for the mutilation and
39:23
arson convictions to be served consecutively, ensuring he would never
39:27
see the outside of a prison wall.
39:30
Speaker 1: And the judge's remarks from the bench were incredibly sharp.
39:33
She highlighted a deeply unsettling aspect of Anderson's demeanor throughout
39:37
the entire fourteen month process. She noted his absolute lack
39:41
of remorse. She stated that he seemed to inhabit a
39:44
fundamentally different view of reality than the ones so clearly
39:47
and objectively established by the mountain of digital and forensic evidence.
39:51
Speaker 3: And Anderson's own actions at sentencing proved the judge's point perfectly.
39:56
Given the opportunity to speak, he maintained his innocence, he
40:00
announced his intention to appeal the conviction, and most devastatingly,
40:04
he flatly refused to provide any information regarding the location
40:08
of SODA's unrecovered remains.
40:10
Speaker 1: That refusal is an act of ongoing psychological torture for
40:13
the family. It is a final, petty exertion of control.
40:17
At the sentencing hearing, Sad's family delivered victim impact statements
40:21
that are just devastating to read. Her younger sister, Adriana Reems,
40:25
who was only sixteen years old, stood up in that
40:27
court room.
40:27
Speaker 3: Sixteen.
40:28
Speaker 2: That's just a kid.
40:29
Speaker 1: I imagine being sixteen, a sophomore or junior in high school,
40:32
and having to write a statement about your sister's dismemberment.
40:35
She spoke about how Anderson didn't just take a life,
40:38
he erased her sister's heart, fought independence. She spoke about
40:41
the sheer trauma of having to navigate police interviews, court dates,
40:44
and media scrutiny at an age when her biggest worry
40:47
should have been passing a math test.
40:49
Speaker 3: Victim impact statements are vital because they force the court
40:52
and the public to recognize the collateral radius of a homicide.
40:56
The victim isn't just the person who died. It is
40:59
the entire work of human beings who loved them, whose
41:02
own lives are permanently scarred.
41:04
Speaker 1: Yes exactly.
41:06
Speaker 3: Saide's father, Carlos Robinson, spoke of suffering from debilitating night terrors.
41:11
He articulated the profound, agonizing limbo of being entirely unable
41:16
to lay his daughter to rest properly because pieces of
41:19
her were still out there, missing in the dark.
41:22
Speaker 1: Her mother, she Anda Scarborough, called her daughter a hero
41:25
and an angel. She made a point that really stuck
41:27
with me. She said, the guilty verdicts brought no true
41:30
relief because a piece of paper from a jury doesn't
41:33
bring her daughter back. The family's attorney, Roonas Wannagan, described
41:37
the mountain of grief they were standing under and indicated
41:40
that they would continue fighting through civil avenues and advocacy work.
41:43
Speaker 3: And the trauma didn't stop at the family's front door either,
41:46
It rippled through the entire city.
41:48
Speaker 1: Milwaukee responded in a massive way. The city lit the
41:52
iconic ho Whan Bridge in bright pink swords favorite color.
41:56
An incredibly beautiful, vibrant mural of her was pain near
42:00
the entrance of the Pizza shuttle where she spent so
42:02
many hours working.
42:03
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
42:04
Speaker 1: Makeshift memorials, overflowing with pink balloons, hand painted posters, and
42:09
stuffed animals, appeared at Warnama Park and across the city
42:12
and in a really moving gesture, the Milwaukee Area Technical
42:16
College awarded her a posthumous Associates degree, formally honoring the
42:20
educational paths she was so determined to finish when her
42:22
life was stolen.
42:23
Speaker 3: When you look at the community impact reports, you see
42:26
that this case became a flashpoint for several urgent, systemic conversations.
42:30
It amplified the desperate need to address the broader epidemic
42:33
of violence against women.
42:35
Speaker 1: It definitely did more.
42:36
Speaker 3: Specifically, it became a focal point for discussing the interceptional
42:40
vulnerability of young black women in America, who were disproportionately
42:44
represented in missing persons data and often faced disparities in
42:47
media coverage and investigative resources. It also sparked very raw,
42:51
immediate conversations among young people about the realities of dating
42:55
app safety and the double edged sword of the digital
42:58
tools we rely on for protection.
43:00
Speaker 1: We have traced this timeline from a seemingly ordinary dinner date,
43:04
through an unspeakable nightmare, through the meticulous forensic reconstruction, and
43:09
finally to the gavel dropping in a courtroom. As we
43:12
step back from the trial transcripts and the data logues,
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what are the ultimate takeaways from this deep dive.
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Speaker 3: The takeaways are a stark reflection of the era we
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live in. First, we are forced to confront the inherent,
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inescapable vulnerability of modern social interaction. You can meet someone
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on public place, you can tell a bartender you are
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on a date, you could share your location with your family,
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and yet the transition from safety to catastrophic violence can
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happen the moment.
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Speaker 2: A door closes.
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Speaker 3: We see how a documented history of impulsive aggression, when
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fueled by substance abuse and triggered by a need for control,
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can escalate into unimaginable horror.
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Speaker 1: But on the other side of that darkness we see
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the undeniable, overwhelming power of modern digital forensics. The trigulation
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of cell towers, the extraction of hidden a GPS data
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from Life three sixty, the forensic reconstruction of deleted files
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from nan flash memory, the chemical chromatography of arson debris,
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all of it combined to speak for a victim who
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had been violently silenced.
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Speaker 2: The science is incredible, It really is.
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Speaker 1: This case proves that even when a perpetrator goes to
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the most extreme, calculated lengths to destroy the physical world,
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to burn it down and wash it away, the digital
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footprint remains unbothered, waiting to tell.
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Speaker 3: The truth, and yet leaves us with a painful dichotomy.
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The legal apparatus functioned perfectly, Accountability was achieved, the perpetrator
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has been permanently removed from society, but true emotional closure
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for the family remains blocked by a final act of cruelty.
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We learn that while the justice system can provide a verdict,
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it cannot always provide peace.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us back to you, the listener, because the
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everyday relevance of this story is sitting in your pocket
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right now. We all use dating apps to meet strangers,
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we all share our locations with our loved ones. We
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all exist within this vast and visible net of data.
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This case demonstrates that while our technology is entirely passive,
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it cannot jump out and intervene to stop a tragedy,
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it almost guarantees a voice for the victim after the fact.
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The digital shadow ensures that the truth outlives the violence.
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Speaker 3: It fundamentally forces us to reconsider the dual nature of
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the devices we carry and the permanent trails we leave behind.
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Speaker 1: I want to leave you with the final thought to
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mull over a question that builds on everything we've unpacked Today,
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we live in a society where our smartphones track our
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every heartbeat, our every footstep, or every deleted thought. It
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makes it practically impossible to truly get away with a crime.
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But if our digital lives are so robust, so indestructible,
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does this hypervisibility actually do anything to protect our physical
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bodies in the real world? Or does it merely serve
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as a flawless post mortive witness to horrors that still
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occur in the dark.
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Speaker 3: That is the defining, unsettling question of the digital age.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. As
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you go about your week, take a moment to remember
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side Robinson, remember her grit, remember her potential, and remember
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her in pink. Stay safe and we will catch you
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next time.