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He Jumped Out a 5th Floor Window... Then Quit _ EP 6 · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: This is The Bad Hire, the show where epic hiring
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  Speaker 2: guys got good stories today? You're happy with what you
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  Speaker 2: found this week?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure. A lot of short and funny ones this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: A lot shorter than the.
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  Speaker 2: One I've got. One of my favorite ones that, that I've,
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  Speaker 2: I've heard is the story. Uh, maybe a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people have heard about, um, but, um, Well, maybe we'll
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  Speaker 2: start with you, Emma. How's that sound?
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  Speaker 4: That's fine.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's rock.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to do probably two.
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  Speaker 4: They're relatively short, definitely not as long as the ones
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  Speaker 4: that I've been reading. And they're not as tragic as
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  Speaker 4: the ones.
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  Speaker 2: I've been reading either. Okay, good, good, good. So you'll
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  Speaker 2: try to go. You mean something heartwarming.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't call this heartwarming, but I guess it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of funny.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right. That's good for the heart.
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  Speaker 4: All right. I once had to fire a guy for
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  Speaker 4: bringing his ninja weapons... to work and showing them to everybody.
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  Speaker 4: It took over two hours to fire him because he
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  Speaker 4: got progressively more distraught and started spouting off crazy things like,
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  Speaker 4: I've always tried to have a heart because my sensei
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  Speaker 4: says that without heart, you're nothing but a killer.
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  Speaker 3: What belt was he? Is that what I want to know?
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming a yellow.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of... Without a heart, you're nothing but
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  Speaker 2: a killer.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the two... Oh, am I not
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  Speaker 3: supposed to say that?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not, but okay.
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  Speaker 4: You're nothing but an unaliver.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, an unaliver.
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  Speaker 4: At the end of the two hours firing, he asked
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  Speaker 4: if he could use the phone. All I heard was
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  Speaker 4: his end of the conversation, of course, but it went
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  Speaker 4: something like this. Mom, can you pick me up at work? Yes,
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  Speaker 4: it happened again. Mom, I don't want to talk about it. Mom,
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  Speaker 4: can you please just come here? He spent the next
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  Speaker 4: two weeks standing outside the front door staring at us.
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  Speaker 3: I had to get the security guard to.
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  Speaker 4: Remove him and give him the old, if you come back,
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  Speaker 4: the cops will arrest you for trespassing talk.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. You know his mom also drops him
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  Speaker 3: off for his karate lessons too, right? What kind of
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  Speaker 3: ninja weapons? Are we talking like, what are those called?
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  Speaker 3: The throwing things?
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  Speaker 2: Throwing stars.
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  Speaker 3: Throwing stars, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: His katana.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nunchucks.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta be, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Did he have like a whole.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff you probably... Stuff you shouldn't bring to work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 4: It did not say that to kind of what.
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  Speaker 2: I think the spookiest part of that story is that
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  Speaker 2: he came like and stood outside the building for the
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  Speaker 2: time after.
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  Speaker 3: So creepy.
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  Speaker 2: That would be creepy with someone who just got through
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  Speaker 2: showing you a bunch of ninja stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Wait till his sensei finds out about that one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to call your sensei if you come back again.
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  Speaker 2: Probably would have been Sounds like someone young, though, who's
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  Speaker 2: got a lot to learn. So, you know, you learn
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  Speaker 2: from your mistakes. You learn how to behave.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's on the phone with his mom. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: it happened again.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Just come get me.
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  Speaker 2: It's just part of the learning process for him.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody goes through it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. I'm going to read another one.
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  Speaker 4: I worked for a big company years ago as the
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  Speaker 4: shipping manager. One of the guys I hired was an
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  Speaker 4: ex-army guy. He was pretty good, hard worker and all that.
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  Speaker 4: Still a little off.
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  Speaker 3: If you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: So one day he doesn't show up.
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  Speaker 3: No phone call.
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  Speaker 4: The next day he calls me and he sounds like
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  Speaker 4: he's high.
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  Speaker 2: He's in the hospital.
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  Speaker 4: After work, I go by the hospital. We were kind
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  Speaker 4: of friends. And his whole right side of his body
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  Speaker 4: is bruised. Like bruises all get out.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Serious bruising, broken leg and arm. I asked him
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  Speaker 3: what happened.
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  Speaker 4: And he told me that him and his friends were
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  Speaker 4: having a party in his fifth floor apartment. He was
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  Speaker 4: having an argument with one of his friends. His friend
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  Speaker 4: was saying that he never follows through or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: So my friend stated that he... So his friend said, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you never follow through, whatever. And he fires back and says, yes,
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  Speaker 4: I do. And he says, if I told you I
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  Speaker 4: would jump out of that window, I would.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 4: I know where this is going. His friend says, ha ha,
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  Speaker 4: you wouldn't dare. So he leaps out of the window,
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  Speaker 4: down onto the parking lot below. He spent over a
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  Speaker 4: month in the hospital to prove a point.
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  Speaker 3: And then he quit. And I never saw her from
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  Speaker 3: him again. Now, that's a stubborn person. It's funny that
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  Speaker 3: he called his friend, too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like, oh, never saw him.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, Emma.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go jump out that door.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great buddy of mine.
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  Speaker 4: You won't.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see him again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, never saw him again.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, goodness.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you. Those are great. Nice and short. Yeah, short.
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  Speaker 3: It's sweet. You know? All right. You're welcome. All right.
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  Speaker 4: Take it away.
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  Speaker 2: Again, though, you end on somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Dying.
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  Speaker 3: Well, not dying. Getting hurt.
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  Speaker 2: No, we did not.
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  Speaker 3: Just jumped out a window. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Again, I don't know what attracts you to these stories
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  Speaker 2: where people are harmed.
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  Speaker 3: Fine. I'll do better next time. Take it away, Morgan.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So this is from Reddit. I had one guy that
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  Speaker 3: had asked about background checks because he was previously a
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  Speaker 3: government employee. He went to a happy hour, and while
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  Speaker 3: he was lacking better judgment, he indulged in one too
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  Speaker 3: many cheesy appetizers. Turns out he's lactose intolerant, and his
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  Speaker 3: closest medication was in his office. Drunkenly, he broke into
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  Speaker 3: the federal facility, and a security guard found him, and
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  Speaker 3: he was fired. I really appreciated the honesty. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like that's a crazy roundabout story for somebody who broke
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  Speaker 3: into a federal facility.
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  Speaker 2: Did he get fired because he was lactose intolerant?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: He got fired because he broke into a federal facility
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  Speaker 3: because he had too many cheesy.
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  Speaker 2: What did the lactose intolerant... Wait.
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  Speaker 3: So he had.
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  Speaker 2: To get his medicine.
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  Speaker 3: To get his medicine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So he did get fired because he was lactose intolerant.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much, yeah. In a roundabout way. Hey, he can't
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  Speaker 3: help it. No. Like, he just needed his medication. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean... Dang, that's sad. Anyways, that one was crazy
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  Speaker 3: to me. All right, here's another one. We did panel
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  Speaker 3: interviews and selected this one guy. He was a great fit,
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  Speaker 3: lots of experience, et cetera. So I inform our company's
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  Speaker 3: HR department and wait for the okay to inform him.
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  Speaker 3: I think it had been two days since his interview
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  Speaker 3: when he called and asked, why the F have I
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  Speaker 3: not heard anything yet? In those exact words.
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  Speaker 2: This is the... This isn't even a blow it up
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  Speaker 2: in the interview. This is the post-interview blow it.
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  Speaker 3: And he's going to get hired. Right. In those exact words,
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  Speaker 3: he said that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm betting that recruiters get this all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. They probably do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I guarantee you they get this all the time. Where
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  Speaker 2: someone follows up.
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  Speaker 4: And what makes you think you're getting hired after this? Right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's what happened. They said, we chose someone else
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  Speaker 3: after that. Best part, HR called 30 minutes later. Crazy stuff. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So he really shot himself in the foot on that
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  Speaker 3: one or, you know. Anyways, this is another funny one.
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  Speaker 3: Another interview. Some of these aren't even making it to
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  Speaker 3: a higher standpoint. But this one is, I interviewed this
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  Speaker 3: lady and she brought up how she had an issue
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  Speaker 3: with an old co-worker. And at the end of it,
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  Speaker 3: she said that that co-worker died of cancer. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: I said, oh, I'm sorry, or something similar to that degree.
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  Speaker 3: And she responds with, she got what she deserved. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: The person said, yeah, no, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Was that an interview? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He said that in the interview?
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  Speaker 4: Can you imagine if somebody said that to you again?
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  Speaker 2: No. I don't even know where to go with that.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you may leave. Yeah, for real. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to hear anything. Well, you care about
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  Speaker 2: your coworker in the same loving way you do about your...
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, definitely not a cultural additive person.
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  Speaker 3: No. All right. This is my last story for this episode.
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  Speaker 3: I had a hiring manager call me after a Zoom interview.
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  Speaker 3: He had with a candidate to tell me that he
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  Speaker 3: couldn't keep his eyes off the bong and the box
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  Speaker 3: of Cheez-Its on the table behind him. So at least
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  Speaker 3: he was honest. Yeah. I don't know what it is
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  Speaker 3: about people taking calls, like a cat, a bong and
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  Speaker 3: a cheez-it in the background.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't there another bong story we said too? It was
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  Speaker 3: the same cat story.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe that was his interview. That was his interview
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  Speaker 3: into the company.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then later on he used it during calls
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  Speaker 2: of customers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. That's all I have.
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  Speaker 2: What is that gurgling, bubbling sound I hear?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, don't you look behind you? Like, normally I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: even if I'm in my office, I'm like, oh, there's
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  Speaker 3: like something behind me. I'm going to go move it
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  Speaker 3: because it doesn't look like professional.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that Zoom calls and Teams calls and
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  Speaker 2: all these video calls are now getting, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: used to be, you know, I remember when COVID first happened,
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  Speaker 2: it just exploded. Everybody was still showing up, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: dressed and looking sharp and everything. And then over the
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  Speaker 2: course of COVID, it was like two months in, five
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  Speaker 2: months in.
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  Speaker 3: Sleep on the call. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Soon people are just saying.
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  Speaker 3: Literally. Muted.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a TikTok one time and it was of
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  Speaker 2: like managers on first day of COVID. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she was just dressed totally like she would be in
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  Speaker 2: the office. And it's like six months, 12 months into COVID.
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  Speaker 2: And the last one, she's late to the meetings. She
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  Speaker 2: hasn't showered or hair's a mess. But it's really gotten
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  Speaker 2: that way where people will flip their phone on or
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  Speaker 2: do anything, just jump on and to not really pay
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  Speaker 2: attention to- At least blur your background. Yeah, what's beside them.
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  Speaker 3: It's just one little button you got to have.
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  Speaker 2: I could see that happening in interviews like all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Interviewing, you're just like- What's behind you?
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  Speaker 2: Here, there's- We're looking at you as like we want
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  Speaker 2: to see some attention to detail.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Like you can't even handle a Zoom call without
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  Speaker 2: looking behind you and noticing that, you know, you've got
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  Speaker 2: trash in your yesterday's lunch to land on the counter
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy.
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  Speaker 3: All right. All right, Ken, how about you? What's your
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  Speaker 3: story today? All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, before before we I've got one story I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to tell today. It's kind of a long one. I
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  Speaker 2: love it. I think it's a really, really I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's an interesting story. I don't love the story. I
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  Speaker 2: do think it's an interesting story. But before that, I
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  Speaker 2: really awesome. All right. So let me find this real quick.
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  Speaker 2: All right. You ready?
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Love this one. I think we talked a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about it this week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it is a bit crazy.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: His name is Winston Nguyen. All right. Winston Nguyen. And
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  Speaker 2: some people are already going, I know this story. And
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  Speaker 2: before I dive into the details, let me say this.
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  Speaker 2: I think I pronounced his name right. Now, Winston wasn't
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  Speaker 2: just some random teacher. He was a Jeopardy champion. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know the show, the music, the buzzers, brilliant contestants,
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  Speaker 2: rattling off answers. Most of us, you know, I know me,
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  Speaker 2: can't even dream of answering. I'm like, how are these
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  Speaker 2: people so smart? That's Winston. So he's that kind of smart. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He had charm, a quick wit, the kind of intellect
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  Speaker 2: that made other people go like, wow, that guy's a genius.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he won big on national television. And that kind
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  Speaker 2: of spotlight, it sticks. People remember you. You're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that guy won a lot on Jeopardy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, people remembered him. And parents... I remember he's
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  Speaker 2: a teacher. Parents saw that name on a resume or
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  Speaker 2: heard about him and thought, oh yeah, my kid's teacher
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  Speaker 2: was on Jeopardy. Yeah, that's kind of cool. That's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: He's really smart, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, cool.
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  Speaker 2: It gave him instant credibility, instant trust. That's always.
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  Speaker 3: A red flag.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So in 2021, Winston was hired. at one of the
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  Speaker 2: most elite private schools in New York. On paper, he
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  Speaker 2: looked like a superstar. Parents were impressed. Students admired him.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. The school skipped a full background check.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: And we see this, like we see this happen in
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: our industry when there's an implied trust on someone. A
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: lot of times they either see something in a background
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: check and look past it, you know, Maybe you see
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: this a lot in coaches where there's like a super
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: winning coach who applies and they get the background check
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: and they're like, you know, I know one of the
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: most horrific cases I know of. They saw the background
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: check and it was not good. And they looked past it.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: No one wanted to be the person who brought it up. Yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: That because this state coach came and he was later,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: he was winning championships and no one wanted to be
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: the bearer of bad news.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: But.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: In this case, what they missed, in 2019, Winston had
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: already been convicted of stealing $ 300, 000 from an elderly couple.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Like in their house?
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know how he stole it, but that would
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: have been because he had been. He had been convicted
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: of that. That would have been on his background check.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: That would have been an absolute for most schools. That
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: would have been an absolute no. So he's so he is. Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: That he stole from the elderly couple. They get taken
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: advantage of so bad.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: That is like probably the worst type of moral character
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: where you would target someone like that. It shows a
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: willingness to to attack. a vulnerable population, right? So that's
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: what you would learn from that. It wouldn't be that
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: he couldn't do a financial crime in the school. It's
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: that he was willing to do it to someone vulnerable
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: like children. So a convicted felon walking into a classroom
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: full of kids because no one bothered to double check
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: his past to do the background screen, right? And that
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't even the darkest part. So it wasn't that he
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: just had done that crime By day, Winston was teaching
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: middle schoolers. By night, he was online pretending to be
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: a teenager. He used Snapchat to manipulate his own students.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: That's gross. That's so gross.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Into sending him explicit photos and videos of themselves. For
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: two years.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Two years?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: He lived this double life.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Showing up every morning in the classroom like nothing was wrong.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: It all came crashing down because one parent, just one. Yeah.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: They noticed something off about him and they spoke up.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Good for them. Yeah. In 2024, Winston was arrested.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: On campus that came to the school to kid him.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Then those poor kids too, because then they have to
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: find out that they've been communicating with him and sending
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: him those things.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Those are horrible kids. Middle school. Yeah.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Imagine the trauma of them realizing that some of
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: what they sent, what they sent him when they figure
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: out what the story is, very bad. And in 2025,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: he pled guilty. Seven years in prison, registered. Seven? I
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: thought the same thing. Seven years in prison, registered sex
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: offender for life.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: As he should be.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: You know, and what gets me about the story is like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you know, there's this man who stood under the bright
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: lights of Jeopardy and everybody loved him, winning, smiling, celebrated
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: as one of the smartest people in the room, you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: just a few years later. you know, he's behind bars
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: for preying on children.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: That's horrible.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it is that those bright lights and the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: credibility that make not doing the background check. you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: somebody could say, well, that's an easy decision or we
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: know them. And we hear that a lot from talking
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: to some organizations where they say, oh, yeah, we don't
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: screen everybody or we, you know, we.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: It's a small town.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: We know everybody. We've heard that before for sure.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: You know, so it's like. So just a few years later,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: he's behind bars praying on children. It's the kind of
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: fall from grace that makes your stomach turn.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And here's the bottom line. All of it. Every single
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: part of it. could have been prevented with one thorough
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: background check. Right. So this, what I get out of
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: this story. So I want to like, when I thought
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: about the end of the story, what I, it's, it's
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: easy to think about, wow, that HR person really messed
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: up and HR people, you know, bad, bad, bad kind of,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: you know, mistake, mistake. But the reality is, To the
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: HR pros who do do the hard work, right, who
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: do do the background checks, who run those checks, who
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: take the time to make sure, who do the resume
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: matchups to make sure that they're talking to the same person.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: All the things we hear about on the show, all
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: these bad hires with mistakes or people lied, who do
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the work to actually vet all that out, you know, truly, truly, truly, like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: thank you for the work they do. It is unsung work.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: They are in the prevention business, and there are no
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: awards for prevention because nothing happened. And in the case
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: of this, had they done the background check, they would
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: have just done it. It would have been another, we
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: can't hire this person, and nothing would have happened. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: there would be no award for preventing this.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just about to say, it's stories like
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: this that make you realize how important it is.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so to those HR pros who do do it,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And who do it every single day. They're holding the line.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: They're preventing things like this from happening. I think about
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: this story and go, hey, thank you. You will never
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: be rewarded for how you should be because you prevented
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this from happening.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: And so nothing happened.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And it seems so mundane. Yeah. But that's it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I love the props to that person who spoke up
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: about like their suspicions. One parent.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: One parent. So because you're, you know, thank you to those,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the HR pros, recruiters who do that work because they're
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: not just protecting companies. You know, it's not just trying
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to keep the company from getting sued. The reality is
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: they're protecting, in this case, children.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: You know, too. So students. So anyway, that one hits
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: a bit different. It's not just a bad hire. It's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: like a complete system failure there. You know, you're talking
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: about parents trusting a school with their kids and, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: just one skip background check lets someone– like that through
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the door. It appeared to be so awesome. And this
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: is why we hammer the point of background checks aren't,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you know, they're not red tape, you know, they aren't.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And it's easy to think they are. It's easy to
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: fall into that trap, but this stuff happens. So, um,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you know, background checks protect organizations and, and their reputation,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: but they protect people too. Um, so skipping them isn't
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: cutting corners. Like really it's, it's you're gambling really with
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: other people's lives. So, um, that's, that's all I, that's
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: all I had today. I just wanted to read that
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: one story cause it really touched me this week when
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I was reading stories and, um, you know, the big
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: message for me was just, I just felt thankful for, um,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the amount of people who do do the work who
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: are in the prevention business that never win any awards.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know, that's it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:46
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• 25:08
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