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A Veteran Housewife Breaks Down NeNe’s Return (RHUGT EP 4 Recap) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Almost Famous. It's Ben today. And I
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  Speaker 2: get to recap the latest episode of Ultimate Girls Trip
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  Speaker 2: with an iconic New York housewife. I get to break
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  Speaker 2: it all down with the real housewives of New York
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  Speaker 2: and star of the upcoming series, The Golden Life, with
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  Speaker 2: Kelly Clark. Ben Simone. Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Ben.
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: Phew.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, this is so fun.
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  Speaker 3: Happy summer.
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  Speaker 2: Happy summer. You know, I've been doing this with Ashley's sister, Lauren,
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  Speaker 2: and we've had a blast. I'm learning a lot along
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  Speaker 2: the way. You know, I think the brilliance of breaking
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  Speaker 2: down all this housewife stuff when it comes to Almost
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  Speaker 2: Famous is I really am learning everything along the way.
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  Speaker 2: And then I get to bring in experts like yourself.
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  Speaker 2: to help it make sense to me because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times it doesn't without some help.
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  Speaker 5: Well, sometimes it doesn't make sense to me too. So
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  Speaker 5: both in the same, but I'm, and I filmed the shows.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of filming the show, you have been on a
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  Speaker 2: previous season of ultimate girls trip. We were watching this season.
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  Speaker 2: It's my first time seeing it. I'm getting to understand
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  Speaker 2: the characters. Obviously this is a big season because it's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the 20th reunion and, But what is it
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  Speaker 2: like filming one of these experiences behind the scenes?
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  Speaker 5: So the only ultimate girls trip that I've done was
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  Speaker 5: with the OGs. It was really our old cast, the original.
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  Speaker 3: Housewives from New York.
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  Speaker 5: But we had Dorinda and Kristen Tape and who came
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  Speaker 5: on later on the.
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  Speaker 3: Show, which was really fun.
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  Speaker 5: Being on these ultimate girls trip, what's so great is
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  Speaker 5: that you're under such a microscope.
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  Speaker 3: It's typically seven days. You go someplace.
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  Speaker 5: Iconic and you are literally just all over each other
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  Speaker 5: all day long. And it's really so much fun. It's
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  Speaker 5: super heartbreaking. You know, you just learn so much about
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  Speaker 5: people in a really, really short period of time. People
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  Speaker 5: that you thought that you knew and you're, you know,
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  Speaker 5: catching up with them on their, you know, where they
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  Speaker 5: are now.
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  Speaker 3: And it's really, it's great. It was so much fun.
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  Speaker 2: The interesting part, and again, I am new to this,
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  Speaker 2: we were seeing it this season where people who maybe
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  Speaker 2: have like some type of drama between them run into
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  Speaker 2: each other on this girl's trip. And then there, we
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  Speaker 2: see them during this episode too, but they're in a
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  Speaker 2: way either given the opportunity or enforced to confront whatever
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  Speaker 2: bass baggage and stuff they have between them. Is that
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  Speaker 2: common for each, you know, road trip?
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  Speaker 3: I love the idea of a road trip, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, It's the only thing I can think of. It's
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  Speaker 2: an ultimate girls trip, but they've just been traveling all
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  Speaker 2: over the place.
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  Speaker 3: I really like a road trip. That would be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I think that would cause more issues.
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  Speaker 5: So this ultimate girls trip is, you know, the 20th anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: It's two weeks long. They're going from, you know, the OC,
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  Speaker 3: Beverly Hills, Atlanta, New York.
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  Speaker 5: They're, you know, traveling all over the place and meeting
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  Speaker 5: all of the other housewives along the way. One of
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  Speaker 5: the reasons that the dynamic of the franchise works so
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  Speaker 5: well is because, you know, I think people like to
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  Speaker 5: say that they, that the networks pit each other against
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  Speaker 5: each other. That's not true. What happens is not about
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  Speaker 5: the pitting. It's about being almost famous. So get this
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  Speaker 5: moment where someone's like at a Starbucks and says, hey, X, hi, Y.
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  Speaker 5: And they're all of a sudden like, whoa, I'm famous.
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  Speaker 5: I'm the coolest girl in school. And they bring it
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  Speaker 5: back to camera life. And it is hilarious, right?
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  Speaker 3: I just don't know. I mean, so does I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: what is going on here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you were, I mean, because drama has been
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  Speaker 2: at the center of so much of the housewives that
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  Speaker 2: I saw. And then obviously the ultimate girls trip. I
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  Speaker 2: want you if you can. And this is all should
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  Speaker 2: be out of love. Like these are people hopefully you enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: If you were to have, let's, let's go back to
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  Speaker 2: the road trip theme. You're in a van. You got
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  Speaker 2: three open spots. Who would you most want for like
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  Speaker 2: the enjoyability factor? And then if you could also share
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  Speaker 2: a second van that you'd be in mostly to be
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  Speaker 2: entertained by the drama that could unfold.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Well, I love Sonia.
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  Speaker 5: I need more seats. Like three isn't enough. I love
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  Speaker 5: Sonia Morgan, love Ramona Singer. I love Melissa Gorga. Sutton
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  Speaker 5: and I have been friends for a long time. Portia
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  Speaker 5: is just fantastic. NeNe Leakes and I have been friends
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  Speaker 5: for a long time. So it's hard because there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of these women that I really, really like. And
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  Speaker 5: we get along so well. When I went to BravoCon,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, this is my Super Bowl. I get
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  Speaker 5: to hang out with all these women. We were talking
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  Speaker 5: and chatting and telling each other about our lives.
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  Speaker 3: And.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard, I can't say the two because as much,
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  Speaker 5: it's like with women, Ben, when we're together and we're
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  Speaker 5: talking about things and we're telling these secrets and stuff
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  Speaker 5: like that and things that we don't want anyone to know,
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  Speaker 5: there's always one person who's like, tell someone else. And
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  Speaker 5: you're like, I just told you this really deep secret.
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  Speaker 5: And to the millions of viewers, there's always that one person.
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  Speaker 5: So you can't, like women just cannot help themselves. And
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  Speaker 5: that's what makes it so fun. I can't help myself.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes I'm like, oh my God, what did I just say?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's, and that's funny with housewives because they
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  Speaker 2: can't help themselves. It just, it's, They get a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a flicker of flame, and that thing will
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  Speaker 2: take off to be a massive fire just because they
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  Speaker 2: love to chat. And sometimes I think they're doing it
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  Speaker 2: with the best of intentions, but it never goes well. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned Portia, and you mentioned Nina Leakes, these incredible
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  Speaker 2: people that aren't housewives out of New York. So do
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  Speaker 2: you meet them? When you say you've been friends for
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  Speaker 2: a while, are these all people you've met through being
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  Speaker 2: a housewife?
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  Speaker 5: So the executive producer that did my first season of Housewives,
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  Speaker 5: he also did New Jersey. And not New Jersey, sorry, Atlanta.
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  Speaker 5: And so when I was in Atlanta for an appearance
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  Speaker 5: for something else, for modeling, they were all there and
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  Speaker 5: they were like, let's have drinks.
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  Speaker 3: And I met NeNe and she was like, girl, I'm
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  Speaker 3: up here, you're down there.
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  Speaker 5: And like literally she hugged me and it was like
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  Speaker 5: the most warm moment hug and she just really you
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  Speaker 5: know was always really embraced me and was you know always.
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  Speaker 3: Cheering me on um and.
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  Speaker 5: It's just really for me it's been just such a
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  Speaker 5: beautiful experience because i do get to meet so many
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  Speaker 5: different people from so many different walks of life you
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  Speaker 5: know i always like laughed with nini because i would
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  Speaker 5: like you know try to squat and i'm like i
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  Speaker 5: need help getting up and she's like you are not
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  Speaker 5: a stripper i'm like confirmed.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just like fun. You know, I mean, at
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  Speaker 3: least I'm always having a good time.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the best way to do this. And
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  Speaker 2: speaking of not having a good time, we've seen through
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  Speaker 2: this whole season so far. Now, to set the stage
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, we're going to dive into the episode.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to Atlanta, which was teased in the
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  Speaker 2: most perfect way. Portia is taking over. This is her city.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to go to a drag brunch and an
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  Speaker 2: alter ego party. We saw at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: last episode, Luanne and Vicky kind of have a confrontation,
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  Speaker 2: as we've been kind of hinting at. You've mentioned how
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  Speaker 2: much fun you like to have specifically. It does seem
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  Speaker 2: to be, to me at least, that Vicky is not
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  Speaker 2: having a good time on this Ultimate Girls trip. That
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't really want to be there. And she's made
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  Speaker 2: it pretty clear, I think, to everybody that this isn't
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  Speaker 2: her thing. Can you give a little bit of an
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  Speaker 2: insight into maybe why she's feeling the way she is
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  Speaker 2: and what about that experience specifically could be or could
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  Speaker 2: feel like a drag on somebody's life?
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, I've known Vicky. She's known my,
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  Speaker 5: she knew my parents. I'm from Rockford, Illinois, and she
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  Speaker 5: knew my parents, which was so, so much fun.
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  Speaker 3: She's a very, very nice girl. Very serious. She's been
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  Speaker 3: on the show forever.
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  Speaker 5: She, you know, talks so much about her past and like,
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  Speaker 5: the regrets that she had about getting divorced from her
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  Speaker 5: husband and just, she's been through so much because she
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  Speaker 5: is the original icon of housewives. And I think that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, now she's like selling her, you know, she's selling,
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  Speaker 5: what is she selling? She sells life insurance, insurance. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's a transaction business and it's not exactly easy.
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  Speaker 5: And she was doing work while she was there. And
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  Speaker 5: I kind of liked that she held her own. I
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  Speaker 5: kind of like that she wasn't just like, she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to hang out with you guys and I'll
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  Speaker 5: be here.
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  Speaker 3: But sometimes I just can't. And I really love that boundary.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I work a lot too, but when I'm
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  Speaker 5: with my friends, I mean, I just let my hair
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  Speaker 5: down and I just like, you know, make sand angels
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  Speaker 5: and just like poke fun at people and just like
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  Speaker 5: blurt out funny things and just have the best time
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  Speaker 5: because I'm with my friends. And I think that I
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  Speaker 5: would like to have seen her a little bit more
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  Speaker 5: playful sometimes. but at the time that's where she is
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  Speaker 5: in her life, she wants to work and she's showing
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  Speaker 5: that that's what she's doing. There's nothing wrong with that either.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and you never know. I think this is
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  Speaker 2: a scenario where you're quick to judge And it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: come off great to the audience because they're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is a show we're tuning into and you act
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  Speaker 2: like you don't even want to be a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: But we don't know leading up to this, when she
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  Speaker 2: said yes to it and then leading up to it,
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  Speaker 2: how much work got piled onto her, how many big
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  Speaker 2: deals got piled onto her, maybe some troubles with the
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  Speaker 2: business got. We don't know any of that. And so
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  Speaker 2: it could just be really bad timing to then jump
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  Speaker 2: in a car, a plane, a bus, all these things
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  Speaker 2: and travel across the country. Atlanta is a spot that
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  Speaker 2: so many people I know who are watching this show
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  Speaker 2: were excited to see all the ladies go to. Atlanta
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  Speaker 2: feels like a great time. I said it last week.
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  Speaker 2: I used to work in Atlanta once every couple months.
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta always seemed to be a good time, no matter
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  Speaker 2: what you were doing. If it was just a great dinner,
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  Speaker 2: if it was just meeting up with some friends, if
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  Speaker 2: it was finding people, like a hole in the wall
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  Speaker 2: bar to sit at. And like, all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: there's entertainment that you never could have imagined that would
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  Speaker 2: pop into a hole in the wall bar. Like it's
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  Speaker 2: just a fun city. And I think Portia really wants
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  Speaker 2: to show this off. You mentioned your friend though, NeNe Leakes,
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  Speaker 2: who is also from Atlanta and people were excited or surprised,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, to see her. We got some information
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  Speaker 2: that I was not familiar with. So I'm just going
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  Speaker 2: to read it. And then we'll, if you can, maybe
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  Speaker 2: expand on it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just, because those are like two separate things.
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  Speaker 5: And I just want to quickly just like nod to
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  Speaker 5: the Vicky portion. So one of the things too, is that, yes,
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  Speaker 5: what you're talking about, the fan base, they want to see,
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  Speaker 5: you know, all the women having fun and doing all
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  Speaker 5: that confirmed. But also one thing that's very Housewives is,
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  Speaker 5: is showing what you do, showing your work, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 5: whether it's like a fashion brand that never launches, whether
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  Speaker 5: that's a book that you're trying to write with a ghostwriter,
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  Speaker 5: whatever it is, these women are constantly pushing it in
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  Speaker 5: people's faces as to what they do for work.
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  Speaker 3: I'm always like, I'm just here to have a good time.
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  Speaker 3: I already work. I don't need help working. But that
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  Speaker 3: is like a strong narrative.
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  Speaker 5: So as a guy, you're like, wait a minute, why
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  Speaker 5: isn't she at the party? But for the fans, they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: that's one of the women. She's pushing her work. So
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  Speaker 5: they kind of see that as well.
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  Speaker 2: They get it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Everyone's in on it.
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  Speaker 2: Does it seem like when somebody becomes a housewife, it's
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  Speaker 2: taking the work that they had previously— in through the
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  Speaker 2: show or is it a new platform to launch a
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  Speaker 2: dream job or a dream product.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a new platform but just because the optics
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  Speaker 5: of everything are different so you know when you're on
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  Speaker 5: it when you're on the screen ben like as you
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  Speaker 5: know all of a sudden the lights just turn on
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  Speaker 5: and the things that are possibilities for you that you
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  Speaker 5: never even thought of or how people perceive you in
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  Speaker 5: the businesses i think you would be good at all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden just take shape And these women are
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  Speaker 5: taking advantage of it and they're showing the ladies. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, sometimes it lands well. I always say, like,
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  Speaker 5: to my crew, I'm always like, you know, I have younger,
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  Speaker 5: my kids are in their 20s.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, you guys just don't know how things
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  Speaker 3: land anymore. I'm like, that does not land well.
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  Speaker 5: But it's a good, you know, it's a great platform
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  Speaker 5: and a lot of fun. But again, a lot of
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  Speaker 5: the women really, really like to show what they do
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  Speaker 5: and how they do it.
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  Speaker 2: Why not? I mean, it is fun when a new
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  Speaker 2: platform is handed to you to make something of it.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of the dream, no matter what stage of
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  Speaker 2: life you're in.
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  Speaker 3: No harm, no foul. No, not at all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's dive into this NeNe Leakes thing, because
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  Speaker 2: I was unfamiliar with it. I am going to read
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  Speaker 2: it just for the sake of the breakdown of what happened,
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  Speaker 2: and then we can go from there. The former Real
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  Speaker 2: Housewife of Atlanta star previously filed a lawsuit in April
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  Speaker 2: against Bravo, NBCUniversal network executives including Andy Cohen and other
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  Speaker 2: related parties, which she has since dismissed in 2022. At
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  Speaker 2: the time, Nene accused the defendants, including the production companies
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  Speaker 2: True Entertainment and Truly Original, of violating federal employment regulations.
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  Speaker 2: and anti-discrimination laws. When the lawsuit was initially filed, Gleeks
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  Speaker 2: claimed that Bravo, NBCUniversal, and the True Production teams helped
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  Speaker 2: foster a corporate and workplace culture in which racially insensitive
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  Speaker 2: and inappropriate behavior is tolerated, if not encouraged, and I quote.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we have calls with HR, so we don't really
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  Speaker 5: have that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We don't really have that.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't watched Atlanta, Real Housewives of Atlanta, from this
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  Speaker 2: episode specifically. There are incredible characters in Atlanta, right? Just
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  Speaker 2: like I've seen in Rhode Island. These women are leaders.
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  Speaker 2: They're friends at times. They're not afraid of confrontation. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and they're not afraid to have a great time. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming if you could educate me a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: she was a massive part of the real housewives of Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why this kind of lawsuit came at such
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  Speaker 2: a surprise to probably so many viewers and fans.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think just to kind of bring it back,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the, these, these, this franchise started, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I started in 2009, the franchise started in the early
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  Speaker 5: two thousands. And, The tolerance level in the early 2000s
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  Speaker 5: to the tolerance level in 2026 is completely different.
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  Speaker 3: Thank God. So I think where we, you know, where
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  Speaker 3: we were, people were saying things and doing things that were,
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  Speaker 3: today my kids would be like, that person is canceled. Like,
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  Speaker 3: who is that person?
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  Speaker 5: Back then it was, the people thought it was funny,
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  Speaker 5: cool to be, you know, dismissive, disarming, whatever it was.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm so glad that she's back, or just back
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  Speaker 5: on our screens. And I'm sorry for, on behalf of
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  Speaker 5: all housewives, I'm sorry if she ever felt anything that
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  Speaker 5: harmed her or made her feel uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: And for any housewife moving forward.
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  Speaker 5: Wait, well, let me pause you there, though.
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  Speaker 3: I think she's very cool. I think she's a very...
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  Speaker 3: All I'm going to say about NeNe Leakes is that
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  Speaker 3: she is... A pioneer. And with that comes a lot
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  Speaker 3: of challenges. And it's not always easy to be the pioneer.
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  Speaker 3: You're constantly being challenged. You're constantly being pushed away. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know the details of what happened. I just know her.
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  Speaker 3: And I also know the network. I'm just happy to
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  Speaker 3: see her back. It shows a lot. It shows a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it does.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: You did say, and I want some clarity on this,
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  Speaker 2: because I watched Housewives and I thought a lot of
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  Speaker 2: stuff was said and done that would make somebody feel uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Rhode Island felt like every episode there was
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  Speaker 2: something new popping up that I was cringing about, like,
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  Speaker 2: how can somebody sit in this moment? Obviously, my co-host
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  Speaker 2: who is on that show is not somebody that loves confrontation.
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  Speaker 2: And we saw so many moments where she sat there
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: and almost acted like she was just disappearing into her chair. Wow. So,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just a part of it, right? Like
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: the uncomfortability, the confrontation, the words getting said back and forth.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Isn't that what housewives is?
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, it is, but you know, you, you saw
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: Giselle in the car say, you know, I'm ready for it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Whoever wants to start something with me, I'm ready for it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're kind of like, you're, you're like, you're
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: in the battlefield.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You're like ready to go.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: You're armed and ready. No matter what anybody says. I mean,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: you know, I know who I am.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: I know, you know, how I make money, how I
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: raise my children.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I know exactly who I am.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: And I'm very open about all the challenges I've had
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: in my life and, and, I do not pretend I'm
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: somebody that I'm not.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I don't rely on anybody else.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: And so for someone like me, you know, I just
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: kind of like laugh things off because I'm just like, okay, okay,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: what are you going to say now?
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Like, my hair is not blonde? Correct. I'm a brunette. Like, what? Like,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: go after me.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Like, you know.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, I had an augmentation. Yes. And I also had
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: a breast cancer scare. Like, enjoy yourself. Would you like more? Like,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I don't have any. Yeah. I don't, I'm not, I'm
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: not afraid of them. I'm not afraid of them. That's
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: why when, that's why in 2009- this iconic scene of
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: me saying, I'm up here and you're down there had
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with social demographics.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: It had to do with the adult in the room.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Like if you cannot play nicely in the sandbox, I'm
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: going to be up here. I'm going to guide you
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: to make better decisions. And if you don't go forth
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: and prosper, but if you're not going to play well
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: with friends and be nice to other people, then.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: You're going to be down there. And that's what it was.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: And everybody kind of thought it was something else, which
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: like love it or hate it. It was iconic. whatever
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: you can't, you know.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It's one of the clips that I'm sure I'll see
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: as I continue to investigate into the house.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I can't wait. People use it everywhere.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Then Cameron Diaz used it. Remember? She's like with me,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: without me. I was like, that's amazing.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, this is a cultural phenomenon. that I'm finding out,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and as I enter into it, my whole world has
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: been opened up to something I never knew existed. This
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: is a trip to Atlanta, as we mentioned. They are...
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Vicky is not wanting to go to these... the drag performance, uh,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the drag show. Um, she said, they're all the same.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never been, uh, but I think
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: this is more of a thing that it was being
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: done to bring these ladies together into something that so
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: many of them probably don't go on their own, or
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: if they have, you know, lives outside of it and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: are selling insurance, they don't find much time to step
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: away from their normal day to day to just go
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: let loose. But this is where Nini, uh, Leakes shows
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: up and surprises the Housewives by appearing on stage. And
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: everyone is very excited to see her, Kelly.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, but first, let's start at the beginning. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: love how you're asking all these questions because it's like
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: they're so loaded and they're so good and juicy.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: So, number one, the gay community. the housewives, I mean,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: is massive.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: You know, the LGBTQ plus community is so huge and
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: they love the housewives.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And you know why they love the housewives?
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: It's because all of us kind of look like drag queens.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, all the makeup, all the eyelashes, all the boobs.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: All the clothes. I mean, sometimes I'm like, I don't
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: even look like myself. I'm like, who am I?
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: And I thought it was really fun, the drag show too,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: because it's, the drag queens are making so much fun
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: of the housewives. And so some people take it well
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: and some people don't.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the big hair, the outfits, it is a thing.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And it's, you know what, as somebody who is very
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: far removed from all of that, it is fun for
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: me to watch. And it is at times just even
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: watching the costume parties and the things that are done
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and how much people get made up for these things. Um,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever spent more than 20 minutes
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: on my, in my life, getting ready for something ever.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: The idea that you wake up early in the morning
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to start getting ready for the thing that's going to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: happen that afternoon is a wild thought to me. Uh,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: but it is enjoyable for me to watch. I don't
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: necessarily want to participate in it, but it is fun
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: for me to watch and, This is where things, and Kelly,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I'd really like you to step in because there's so
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: much of it I don't understand and that I'm just
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: catching up with again. But this is where we do
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: see Nene, as I said, come and show up. There
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: is a bit of a confrontation between Giselle and Nene
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: talking about something that Nene said to Karen about beating
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Giselle up.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Like what?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you have any insight into this for me?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, I.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Admire Giselle for bringing it up. I mean, I don't
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: think Nene is going to beat her up. I think
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: that they, you know, that's what happens in some of
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: these conversations. Like if you're with a friend, like you
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: and I could be like drinking beer and talking about
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: all this, you know, shooting the shit and like saying
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: all this stuff. And then you go back to Ashley
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: and be like, Kelly just said this. And it's kind
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: of like that. But these women take things because they're
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: almost famous. They take the context of anything that's said
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: and they.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Just blow it out of the water. It's part of
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the game. It's part of the game.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is nice. There is something very healthy
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: for me when confrontation is had and it feels like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: there's some type of healing and forgiveness given. but this
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: is kind of for a little bit of focus on
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Nini and her story. We then see her talk about, um,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the passing of, uh, of her husband, Greg. She does
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: mention she is dating again. We do get to meet
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: this guy. It's not a secret who she's dating. It's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: been out there all over the internet for a while. Yeah. She,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: she talks about getting married again, says she doesn't need to,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: but she wants to be treated like a wife, uh,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: which is wonderful. Her boyfriend currently, uh, and her have
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: been dating for four years, he impresses the room, it
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: feels like, when he walks in. I think when he
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: shows up, eyes are turned. He's a good-looking fella, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: he dresses so nice. Yeah, he does.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Did you like him?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I Googled him and just saw some of his
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: recent outfits, just so I could maybe copy some of them.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: That's what I do.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: You're like, this is how I wear a scarf. This
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: is the cologne of choice. No, Vicky, remember? She was obsessed.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I was amazing. Oh, my God. That lit her up
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: like a Christmas tree. There you go, Vicky.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say. We got to
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: see her come to life a little bit. Like, hey,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: screw insurance. I got this. That's nice.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I got eye candy. I took to Atlanta.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I loved it. Good for them all.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: True story.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Now, moving on from the drag show, we do have
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the alter ego party.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: What alter ego stood out to you? I mean, we
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: could go through the whole list, but there's so many
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: of them. Is there any that really like jumped off
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: at you or like that's perfect or hey, that was
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: done so poorly?
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, I kind of thought Luann. Like Luann. Come on.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: She's like her alter ego is the Countess.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: A cabaret. Yeah, a cabaret performer.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, literally, if you've ever spent one second with her,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: she will be talking about herself. She breaks into song
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: because there's a word that triggered something in her, so
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: she starts singing.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: And then she leaves.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: And you're like, what's happening?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, okay, I guess it's done. I guess
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: we're leaving.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: That's how she communicates then.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: That's how she communicates with herself. It's one way. And
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: then there's a song. There's always a song.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like when you're around her, do you
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: get to know anything about her?
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: No. Yeah, no.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It's kind of fun. There's no pressure.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I learn a lot.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know a lot of lyrics, which I
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: do happen to know. So I can actually sing along.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: So we have, you know, I get along great with her.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I'll just sing.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Is there any other that stood out to you?
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I actually, so I interviewed Ashley and I think she's
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: so fun.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: I interviewed her when she was on Love Hotel and
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: she is such a spicy girl.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, first of all, her outfit
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: was amazing.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: But then I'm like, wait a minute, she's trying to
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: go out with Kyle's husband. I mean, they're literally not separate.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: They're not separated. They are just not together yet. But
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: they're legally still married and they're not divorced. So there's
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: a lot of paperwork that has to happen to get
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: to that point. It's because they're not sleeping in the
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: same bed. Doesn't mean they're still not married.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a huge part of this episode too. I mean,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Kyle sees Ashley and confronts the situation.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: It's not like Mauricio has been quiet about his... Right.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: We've talked about it almost every episode during this as
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Kyle and Mauricio have shown up a few times together,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but also been talked about together. He is out there,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: married or not. He is doing his thing. And, you know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Kyle is handling it in the best way possible. But
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming just because Ashley is connected to the Housewives
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: franchise means it's a little bit more personal.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of like, it's almost like shitting
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: where you eat. You know what I mean? It's like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: these are your friends. Like, and you know, I'm going
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: to quote Luann like with her girl code.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: So, I mean, I just think it's not cool to
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: date guys that are your husband.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would never date someone's, my friend's ex-husband.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Like that's just not who I am.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I just was like, whoa. Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: It was like, they just had a 30th anniversary. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: felt really badly for Kyle.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Cause like we started off the whole episode with like
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: her anniversary and how she's thinking about that and how
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: she's feeling. And I just felt, I just like my
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: heart like sunk for her. I was like, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: they do, they were 30 year old marriage.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, it hurts.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It hurts. And it feels like there's, I don't know. I'm,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I'm reading into things, but it feels like there's more
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: pain there. than what's being communicated or shown. There's a,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: there feels like there is just a lot of like residual,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: just feeling. We've gotten to see Kyle more than Mauricio.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: So like, it makes sense on why I would say
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: it feels like there's a lot of emotion that Kyle
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: is holding onto still from that whole thing. But yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: good for Kyle to approach and to, Dive into the conversation.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Ashley says, hey, I was not flirting with him. I
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: think it'd be hard to admit and say, yeah, of course,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I was all about that guy.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, Ashley is smoking hot. So, I mean, Maurizio, sorry,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: he'd be like, woo!
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that side of that.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: But they are both, I mean, but, you know, in
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Ashley's defense... you know, they are both open about dating
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: people and, you know, what they've been doing and how
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: they've been living their lives since the separation. So it's
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: not something that's like new to the fans where we're
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: not like shocked, but I think there was.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: A kind of like, okay, this is, this is a,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: this is still a family unit and, you know, just,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you know, have respect for that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It ends with Ashley telling Kyle that, that she would
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: never pursue Mauricio. And it does seem like, again, in
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: great Housewives fashion, the drama is resolved.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Is it, though?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Is it ever resolved?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Is it? I mean, how many times in your experience
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: has a situation like this happened on Housewives? It seems
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: like on camera there's some resolution, but it lingers, right?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: It just does. Like, it's still... again, if you were
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: sitting back with your one friend having a drink at
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the corner of the bar, like there's a good chance
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: it's still brought up with a little bit of tension, right?
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's interesting because I retired in 2011. I
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: just was like, my kids are young and I really
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: needed to focus on, you know, business and really just
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: making sure that they had a great education. And so
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: I came back a couple of seasons and every time
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I'd come back, I'd be like, I guess I didn't
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: miss anything.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: It's been six years. We're still the same.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: And on Ultimate Girls Trip, like literally one of the
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: housewives was watching Scary Island on while we were filming.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you're watching me? What?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: What was their reasoning? Just to learn more?
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: I was like, I'm dead here.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow. Okay. Keep watching.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Like do you want popcorn with, with my movie?
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Like you can't make that up.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: You can't, you can't make that up.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: No.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And so when you're on these, do you have access
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to everything like phone and iPad?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Everything.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I'd probably be Googling everybody too. I just, there's so
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: many characters here to keep track of. I'd be watching
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: everything I could have everybody.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's what's great about this show.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: That was a really good point, is that some of
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: the people, like Vicky, hadn't watched a lot of shows.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: And some people knew each other and some people didn't.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: And I think that's also really interesting, too, because you
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: kind of have to tell the fans.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Where you are and where you were and how.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: You kind of got there. Because people need to know.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: And you can actually re-narrate. Because the fans are kind
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: of like, well, I remember this, but I don't remember everything.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: So you can kind of re-narrate your storyline, which is
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: also very interesting.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: And I see people doing that quite a lot.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I did have to Google it because I didn't see it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Which part?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's just this picture. It was the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: first one that came up.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I know. That was my jelly bean scene. And so
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: every time they're like, oh, my God, you eat jelly beans.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I actually eat a lot of candy. I
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: love sweets.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Um, and then, and they're like, why did you bring
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: jelly beans into a scene? I was like, well, I
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: just didn't have dinner.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I was kind of hungry and I had to go
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: back and finish out the scene. And everyone's like, what?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: What makes it weird? I had sugar for dinner. It works.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, whatever.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Hey, in closing here, Giselle, Portia, Angie Kay, Mary Cosby,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and Heather Gay, they chat. I'm going to have you
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: walk me through this because it feels like there's a
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: lot of twists and turns here, obviously ending with a confrontation.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: But if you could properly explain to our audience and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: myself kind of where who's involved and where this goes
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: and why it goes to the place it goes, I
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: think that'd be really helpful.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: So just from my understanding, they're kind of saying how, um,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Whitney and Bronwyn and Lisa, Lisa Barlow does not like
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: the other housewives.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: And they say things like to Lisa, like you have
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: all your money comes from, you know, other men and
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: you're not who you look like. You're actually have a
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: facelift and they're just constantly going after her and her business.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure why. Some of the things too,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie, as a housewife, Sometimes I'm.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Like, how did we get here? Like, I'm like a
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: timeline kind of person. I'm like, starts with one, then
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: goes to two.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: What happened?
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: But they, you know, Whitney and Bronwyn, they do not
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: like her. And there is a separation. And Lisa's like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: I'm having the best time with everybody else. And I've
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: met Lisa many times and she's lovely. And they just
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: are like, basically like there's a line in the sand
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: and she is not on our team.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Now, am I wrong to say that to me it
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: feels like most other housewives get along, but Salt Lake
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: City does feel like the one group of housewives that
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: continually gets isolated when it comes to the others. It
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to me like a lot of other cities
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: like the Salt Lake City housewives. Am I wrong?
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's a ton of friction between I think
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: it's a very, you know, it's a state that has
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: a lot of restrictions.
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  Speaker 3: It's cold as shit.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, I live right next to it.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I don't know.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: I honestly don't know, like, why there's just so much
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: drama all the time.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I don't even know where these people come from.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: So the.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Issue with Lisa and why the gals are mad. It
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: also comes from this housewives thing where if other women
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: have to be super honest and their gets drug out
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: into the ether and then somebody's like playing fake and
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: like hiding their stuff. That's when they all start to
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: pile on and they're like, your life isn't perfect. You
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: actually do X, Y, Z, X, Y, Z, X, Y, Z.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: And they like out somebody. And it's a way of
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: getting the heat off of them because you'll see it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: It happens all the time now with Kyle. Kyle was
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: keeping her, you know, divorce and marriage stuff like a
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: secret for the longest time that they weren't living together.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: And finally the girl started to like out her and
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: we're like, fess up, something's going on in your marriage,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: talk about it, talk about it. And like, so that's
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: what happens is everybody's like, we put our lives on
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: the line, we signed up to do real. And when
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: they find out that somebody in the group isn't being
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: their authentic self and they all are, they start to
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: pile up on that person. And I think that's what
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: you're seeing with Lisa.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's a great breakdown. I mean, Heather,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you always chiming in with your expert analysis because-
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: It does bring clarity to, you know, the stuff I
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: am confused by with my lack of history.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, I even know for my own self,
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: like back in the beginning, in the ice age when
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: I was on, um, and even today it's like, I
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: am so open because I'm on so many different platforms
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: and doing so many different things.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: And I don't, I don't want to gatekeep. I mean,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I was an editor.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: That's my job is to not gatekeep. My job is
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: to celebrate and tell everyone everything. And so I find
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: it too really hard when people just like, just go
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: after me because they're deflecting.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: They don't want you to talk about them. So they
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: go after you and it happens time and time and
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: time again.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Now, do you think it happens more Kelly as seasons progress?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Because I have a feeling at the beginning when it's
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: like season one, everybody's pretty excited to be there. And
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: they're like, I want to make sure I got my
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: TV time. I want to make sure that I make
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: my big splash. And then seasons progress and the almost
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: famous label moves into more of like a famous lane.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: And the more famous you become, the more you protect.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Sorry to interrupt you, but it's infamous for your antics.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: You're not famous. Like we're not actresses. We're not famous people.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: We are reality stars. We become more famous. interesting to
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: real people because hey you know Ashley went through this
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Kelly went through that so we become more like people
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: identify with us but we're not famous we're not stars
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: like we are on reality it's a totally different level
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: and I think that's what happens to a lot of
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: these ladies.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Did I say that out.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Loud yeah it just gets it gets in their head
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit it does it happens it's not uncommon.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. They tell me all the time. They're like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I'm so famous. I'm like, okay, great. What do you,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: what do you, what do you do? What do you
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: do for a living? They're like, what? I'm like, what
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: do you do for a living? What's your job? Like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: are you famous for being a heart surgeon? Like Kelly,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I'm on television. Oh, sorry. Yeah.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: That's, that's a reality one-on-one. But you can fill out BravoCon,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: which is an impressive feature. feat in itself. So say
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: what you will. No, I love it. Yeah, it's great.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying in terms of the hierarchy of stardom,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: we are not.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: We are not.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: You know, we're not, we're, I mean, we do, we're
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: recognized and recognizable for our antics, but we're not, you know.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Well, and you make a good point with your infamous
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: for your antics. And so if the antics start getting
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: covered and not, and you're getting a little more protective,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: which I think is a completely fair human right to say, hey,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want this stuff aired out any longer. But
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: then you are making the choice to step away probably
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: from the thing that got you to that point. And
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I can see where the rub would be with other
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: contestants saying, hey, your stuff is getting covered up and
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: you're protecting it so much. And we're out here carrying
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the weight of a franchise and you're, you know, getting
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the credit for it. I can see how that happens.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's, remember we.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Were talking before about when you, you know, like when
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I first started and then I came back a couple
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: of seasons and I was like, the same conversations were
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: still happening. So to your point, sometimes you just get
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: exhausted and it's just like, the constant like almost badgering
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: of like, why did that happen to you? What did
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: you do to make that happen? Like, I am so
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: great and I would never have that happen to you,
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: but you're awful and you're terrible.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: And so it just, it is, it's a constant.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: And so you try to protect yourself in any way
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: that you can.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And the best way in.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: The strategy of housewives to be a great housewife is
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: to be an amazing deflector. um that's like if you're
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: a great deflector you're golden.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah so when somebody starts.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I'm just teaching you the inside scoop i.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Could be a housewife yeah you could.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Be been the housewife.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah wouldn't that be good i'd be down for it
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: all all right we see the preview for next week
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: uh we see some uh other familiar faces show up
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and uh the arguing with lisa heather and angie continues Kelly,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: is there any chance, as I continue watching The Ultimate
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Girls Trip, the roaring 20th, that I could watch you
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: on my television during this?
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe. Be careful what you ask for, Ben.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: There is a chance that we will see you on
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: the big screen.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: You never know.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: And now I'm getting nervous. I'm back talking to a
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: reality star, this iconic legend of the franchise. who is
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: coming back on my television. I'm going to have to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: break down your appearance at some point. Kelly, you have
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: a new show on E that has been announced. It's
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: with the OG New York Housewives called The Golden Life.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Anything you want to tease about that?
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, you just can't make this up. You just
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: can't make it up.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: So good. Just never stops.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, Mondays are my day off and I'm like, wait,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I kind of miss them.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, why?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Because of all the like.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Just fun.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: It's like just it's fun, but it's also like nuts.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Like I'm just like, oh, my God. Like we're back.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: We're back.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: We're back. I think that's the best teaser is we're back.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Keep it. And I think everybody's going to love it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: You also can catch Kelly as she is part of
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the I do part to podcast crew. here within the
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Almost Famous and iHeart family. Kelly, thanks for jumping on today.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks for your insight. Thanks for making me a housewife.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And thank you for breaking down this incredible episode of
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the Ultimate Girls Trip as they visit Atlanta. Hey, until
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: next time, I've been Ben.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I'm Kelly.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: That's perfect. We'll talk to you soon, everybody.
• 43:25
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• 43:28
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