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• 0:45 Katie: Hello. Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind. Today we're heading back to 1990 for home Alone. 0:57 One of, I would say probably one of Hugh's best children's movies. I wanna introduce you to returning guests. 1:04 I'm excited to have Evan and Andy from The Nothing Worth Wild Podcast. 1:10 Welcome guys. Evan: thank Andrew: good afternoon. Evan: us on. thank you for having us on. 1:16 Katie: Yeah. Tell us about nothing worthwhile and where people can find it. Andrew: Well, nothing worthwhile with Moody and Gru is on our home 1:24 network of, it's called spreaker.com. But you just Google nothing worthwhile with Moody and Gru, you'll find it. 1:32 But we talk about pretty much anything that's on our minds which is usually nothing very worthwhile, but it's worthwhile to us. 1:40 Yeah, we try to do, one show every week or two sometimes where life gets in the way. 1:46 But we got plenty of archival material up there for you. So, just go check out nothing worthwhile with Moody and gu, 1:53 wherever podcasts are available. Katie: Very nice. I was gonna test your knowledge from 1990 before we talk about home alone 2:01 with the retro made time capsule wheel. So I'm gonna spin this on your behalf, 2:07 Andrew: I see a weird one that says, can Evan and Andy come out? What 2:12 Katie: So can Evan and Andy come out to play? Is the actual Andrew: Okay. Katie: is just, and that's the toys toys and electronics. 2:19 It's just that with two guests, it gets cut off on the, on the little wheel here, so we'll see. 2:25 We shall see. I'm gonna spin here on your behalf. Andrew: All right. 2:33 Katie: We came to fad, flashback. Andrew: Ooh, Katie: I don't know, what do you, how you guys feel about this category? 2:41 If I could find it? Evan: remember it was a time of, of fads and, you know, obviously all of us much younger, certain fashion styles and things of that nature. 2:49 So I'm curious to see what the question may be, Katie: This specific fad involved wearing numerous, often brightly colored 2:57 silicone or rubber bracelets that sometimes cost just a few pennies each. 3:03 They were frequently traded and worn all the way up the forearm becoming a staple accessory of the very early nineties. 3:10 Youth faction, youth fashion. What were they called? Evan: Oh gosh. 3:15 You know, I have a visual, Andrew: Garbage kids. Evan: no, stop it. 3:20 Andrew: Yeah, me too. I, I, I could, I could see exactly what they look like. Evan: My question is, is this 3:26 Katie: There's, Evan: fad, was this particular to a gender or was it both male and female? Across the board, because I'm feeling by, based on your description, it's leaning 3:34 a little bit towards the female side, but I'm not, not sure. Katie: yes, you are correct. 3:39 I mean, I'm, I'm sure that men, men or boys did too, but it was generally the girls. 3:45 And there I will say there was also shoes that were similar and had the same name, a certain type of shoes, this like silicone or rubber 3:54 shoe. Evan: Well, Katie: They were Andrew: am drawing a complete blank. Evan: yeah, being a very masculine male that would never take part 4:02 in any feminine fads or stuff. I, I mean, I have the visual, but I just can't draw, draw a name, 4:08 but curious to hear what it was called. Katie: They were called jelly bracelets or jellies. 4:14 Remember the shoes too called jellies did. Yeah. Andrew: don't, Katie: You don't Andrew: I don't, 4:19 no, I don't Evan: Andrew, the fashion Andrew: I wasn't very aware of things. 4:26 High school, 4:31 Katie: 90. Okay. Well, this, I think you will. I have a feeling. Okay. This widespread fad involved staring intently at a seemingly random, colorful, 4:41 and highly patterned image until a hidden 3D image or object popped out from the 4:47 background with the publication and promotion of the first books and posters. 4:53 It peaked in popularity in the mid nineties, but it came out in the early in 90 or early nineties. 5:00 What was this called? Evan: Okay, so I don't Andrew: virtual reality. 5:07 Katie: Do you know what I'm talking about? Do you know these posters? Evan: had, they had, Andrew: I. Evan: it was posters. 5:12 There was a Jerry Garcia tie that had this, that you stared at a pattern and that you would see something like a visual picture. 5:20 You know, in virtual reality is like a good guess, but it was like a 3D kind of thing. 5:26 You stared at it. And I don't know the per se of the name, but I know that books, posters, even fashion, there were, 5:35 this was big at the time. Katie: Yeah, you kind of had to stare at it long enough so that your eyes would unfocus and then there was like this hidden image that popped out at you. 5:44 That was 3D. They were called magic eye images or auto stereograms. 5:52 I think there was one in mall rats. I think there was a scene in mall rats that had these in 'em, and he's like, I 5:58 can't see the ship, or whatever it was. Andrew: No, the only things I were staring at were well, anyway. 6:08 Katie: Okay. The, the last one in this category, and then we'll pick a, a new category. This specific style of athletic pant, quote unquote athletic pant, 6:16 became the defining casual leg wear of 1990 for teens and young adults. 6:22 I don't know girls that did this. This is for, this was for boys. They were characteristically very baggy around the thighs often made of 6:29 nylon and famously worn by Mc hammer. 6:34 Andrew: Oh, Evan: Oh, like jumpsuit pants. Oh gosh. What? Oh my gosh. 6:40 Andrew: The new foundation, Owen Hardin. Jim Nyhart wore them, I don't remember what they're 6:47 Katie: I gave away the name of the pant in the clue. Evan: Say it Katie: There. This was later, later than Zub Bos, but very baggy around the thighs and 6:56 then got tighter around the ankles, often made of nylon and famously worn by a certain I guess he was a rapper, quote unquote rapper. 7:06 Evan: That was Andrew: Mc Hammer. Katie: Yeah, Andrew: was, yeah, he was, he was famous back then. 7:11 Katie: And so his name gives a clue as to what the pants were called. 7:18 Evan: Hammer, Andrew: nylons. I, I don't know. I have a Hammer, Katie: They were called hammer pants. 7:24 Andrew: hammer pants. I, I feel like we could have guessed that one. Katie: I know. 7:29 I was really hoping you would. But let's move on. Andrew: I, have no recollection of that. Katie: Really? 7:34 Okay. Andrew: I, I didn't know what they were called. I didn't know they called anything. 7:40 I just thought were ugly. Katie: They are, they are ugly looking pants. Evan: joke, please. 7:47 Katie: The next category is commercial countdown. Let's see. A lot of times they're, they're like, far too easy. 7:55 Let me see. Evan: Hmm, Katie: Okay. I'll start with an easy one. That was earlier, that was in the eighties. 8:01 This is 1990. This iconic campaign was in its second year in 1990, and featured famous 8:10 athletes like Michael Jordan and Bo Jackson encouraging people to push 8:16 their limits with the three word motto. What was it? And, and what brand? 8:22 Evan: That would Katie: Yes. Evan: And that would be, just do it for five. Katie: Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. 8:29 This one might, I mean, it's still pretty easy, but you know, we'll see. This restaurant chain debuted a catchy jingle in 1990 that became one of the 8:37 most memorable jingles of the decade and was later, famously covered by an 8:42 r and b boy band in the late nineties. What was the restaurant chain and what was the jingle? 8:50 Andrew: If I had the boy band, that would help. Katie: I want my, 8:58 Andrew: I want my MTV? Katie: no, Andrew: No Katie: I'm, are you getting it? 9:04 Evan: I want my, oh, I Katie: is it's like a Evan: ribs. Andrew: Oh, 9:10 Katie: yes. Very good. Evan, Evan: what was that? was that Katie: what was the chain? 9:16 Evan: Applebee's. Was it Applebee's? Katie: You were right. Andrew: Bobby Rubinos. 9:21 I don't know. Katie: It was Chili's. It was Chili's. Evan: was Katie: Mm-hmm. Evan: I just Andrew: Good job, Evan. 9:26 Evan: Oh, great job. Ooh. It was very delicious. I thought originally it Andrew: Good job, Evan. Evan: thought originally it was Pizza Hut. 9:33 Boys to Men. I'll make love tea. No. I was a wrong jingle, but I do remember I want my baby back. 9:40 Ribs. Yeah. Very good. All right. Katie: In a similar vein, I guess, the last one is this slogan was 9:48 introduced in 1990 by the National Pork Board to Reis reposition their 9:54 product as a healthier alternative. Dear God, to traditional red meat becoming a lasting part of American food culture 10:03 just goes to show you that commercials like similar to milk, it does a body good. It doesn't, but the ad campaign sure worked. 10:10 This is similar. Evan: Okay. I'm gonna take a One. Katie, I think I got it. 10:15 Drew, you want to You wanna give it a go? Andrew: I'm gonna try I wanna say diet Coke. 10:22 Katie: No, Andrew: trying to, they were trying to push Diet Coke for a while. It's like a, it was like a heart healthy 10:28 Evan: Did you Andrew: thing. Katie: I like where you're going. Andrew: I remember there was a, just a blitz with Elton John and all these, they got the 10:35 most famous people in the world, but I'm guessing that's not it. But that's my Katie: Well, it's not because that doesn't have anything to do with the pork board. 10:42 Andrew: Oh, Evan: Exactly. Wow. 10:48 Katie. I said pork. Pork, A pork question. And you gave diet coke is the answer. Katie, I'm gonna go with for 10 points. 10:55 Pork, the other white meat. Katie: very good, Evan. 11:00 Evan: Ugh. Andrew: wow. Evan: I have Katie: Okay. Evan: episodes of man Versus Food on YouTube, so thank you. 11:08 Katie: Let's see if we get a a, a good one. A one that you guys will really excel. Ooh, you might on this one. 11:13 You probably will. This is boombox bangers. Andrew: Ah. 11:19 Katie: So, and this is probably a time where you guys would remember the music pretty well, I imagine 11:25 Evan: I think so. Katie: so these are top five songs on the billboard, hot 100 11:32 for the whole year, for 1990. The number one song is a debut single from a vocal trio made up of the 11:41 Daughters of Famous musicians, became the number one song of 1990 on the year end chart written after one member was experiencing relationship troubles 11:51 and a power struggle with her husband. Evan: I think I got it. Andrew: All right. I don't know the song, but I'm gonna say that the group is Wilson Phillips. 11:59 Katie: is. Andrew: And I, I know they have this insanely popular song. I think it's the one that they sang at the end of Bridesmaids, but I don't know the 12:06 end of the, I don't know the name of it. Evan: yeah, I'm gonna just talk over Andy. Who so I'm just gonna say that would be Wilson 12:11 Phillips. Hold on. Katie: Hold on. Very good. All right. Andrew: All right, Do I get half a point? 12:16 Katie: yep, yep. Evan: don't Andrew: All right, Katie: You guys are playing as a team. Andrew: I don't. Oh, all right. 12:23 Evan: We don't play Andrew: Hey, gimme credit for Wilson Phillips. You know, you know that my taste stopped in like 1983, so, so gimme 12:30 credit for Wilson Phillips on that one. Katie: Okay. I think you'll get 12:35 I. Okay. The number two song was which I didn't realize this originally, a Christmas song. 12:43 This Power Ballad was slightly rewritten and featured prominently in the very popular romantic comedy. 12:50 Pretty woman propelling it to the number two spot for the year on the billboard chart. 12:55 What was the song and who sang it? Pretty Woman. 13:03 Evan: You Andrew: I know it, I just don't remember. Evan: well, how do You know it if you just don't remember 13:09 Andrew: Because I know, I, I just remem I Katie: Can you, can you hum it? Can you sing it? Andrew: No it was the hits, it was the hits song from that movie. 13:18 Katie: Mm-hmm. If I give you the band name, do you think you'll get it? Andrew: it? 13:23 it might help. Yeah. Katie: Rock set. Andrew: Oh, it must have been love, but it's over. 13:33 How would that was a Christmas song? Katie: It said originally, that's why I said I didn't, it said originally a Christmas song, but it was rewritten for the movie. 13:41 I guess Evan: was Andrew: I did not. I didn't know that first part. Katie: either. Um 13:47 mm-hmm. Evan: Must have Katie: Roxette? Evan: Okay. Katie: Yep. Evan: was a Christmas Katie: Yes. Andrew: Yeah, 13:52 Evan: Must have Andrew: what I Katie: yeah, I didn't know that either. It was originally, but they rewrote it slightly. 13:58 Evan: okay? Katie: Alright. Number three. Oh, this is a goodie. 14:03 This minimalist emotional song about longing and loss was originally 14:08 written by Prince, the 1990 cover version by an Irish singer. 14:14 Spent four weeks at number one on the Hot 100 and became a global sensation 14:19 known for its iconic closeup music video. Evan: Oh, please. , That's a layup right there. 14:25 That's Ade O'Connor. Nothing compares to you for 15, Katie. Katie: It was, 14:31 it was a layup, except I did not know that it was originally written by Prince. 14:37 Did you guys, Evan: originally. A Prince song. Yes. Andrew: I knew that, but that was not the song I was gonna guess. 14:44 I was gonna guess. Kiss by Tom Waits Tom Katie: oh. Andrew: Jones. Tom Jones. 14:50 Katie: No cut. I loved that song. Did you guys like that? Nothing compares to you by Schine O'Connor? Andrew: a great song. 14:55 I Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: a really nice song. Katie: All right. Number four. 15:00 I really liked this song. This new Jack Swing hit was the debut single from a group that 15:07 was a spinoff of another famous r and b boy band New Edition. 15:12 This is the spinoff group. The song which features the famous line, that girl is Blank, 15:19 Evan: Y Katie: which, because that's the name of the song, was a huge hit peeking at number three on the Hot, hot 100 chart. 15:26 Evan: The height of Andrew: Not a clue. Evan: height of my youth. Let me just go ahead and dominate this category for 20 points. 15:32 Katie. We're gonna go with Bell biv, Devoe, and Poison. 15:37 Katie: Yes, I loved it. That girl is poison. Evan: Yeah, they were, they had quite the run, I mean, new 15:44 Edition then into Bell biv Devoe. They were, they were real big for a while. Michael Bivins, I think 15:49 Katie: Agreed. Evan: and Ronnie Deveaux were big music producers for a while. They, they definitely had a good, good run there. 15:55 Andrew: Yeah, I was discovering Bob Seeger around this time, so I was so, Evan: Seger. Katie: to Poison. 16:01 Andrew: Was, he knows that he knows that I was not listening to this stuff at that time. Evan: into Pete Seeger, not Bob Seeger. 16:08 Bob Seeger was too Andrew: Yeah. There you go. Evan: point. 16:14 Katie: last one. You would have to be on Mars to not get, so I Evan: Oh, Katie: have high expectations for you guys. 16:21 Evan: Oh boy. Katie: Number five. The dance Pop Anthem was inspired by a specific underground ballroom dance 16:29 culture originating in New York City. The accompanying music video directed by David Fincher was a massive 16:36 success and featured a rapid fire list of Golden Age Hollywood stars. 16:42 Andrew: I got it. I got it. Can I go, Evan, Evan: sure. I'm, Andrew: may I. Evan: a blank. Yeah, go ahead. 16:47 Andrew: That's Vogue. That's Vogue. Madonna. Katie: Yes, very good. Andrew: Yeah. 16:53 Greta Garbo and yeah. Katie: Yeah. Andrew: I Katie: Yeah. you guys did very good. 16:59 So that concludes this portion of the retro made time capsule Andrew: right. Evan wins that one. 17:05 Katie: You guys play as a team, so if he wins, you win. Evan: as a team, Andy, this was 2025. 17:10 We're playing as a team. Katie: So you guys before we start talking about Home Alone, this Epic movie, my 17:20 season is about John Hughes, obviously. So I was curious if you guys had any thoughts to share about, you know, you 17:27 first discovering his films if you're a fan, not, do you have any, any thoughts to share about John Hughes generally? 17:35 Andrew: Well, the thing about John Hughes is that most people don't know the depth of what he's, what he did. 17:42 There's a lot of things that he did that people don't even know that he did. For example, home Alone is actually one of them. 17:48 He's the writer, Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: he, it's not considered like a, a, it's not in the same list as the Breakfast 17:56 Club in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. But he also did the original National Lampoon's vacation, which is one 18:01 of the funniest movies ever made. He did Christmas vacation which is a, a classic. 18:07 So he's got such a deep bench of unsung great movies that you 18:13 know, the, it never get his due. He died too young. And I feel he'll never get fully his due. 18:20 The kids today, they don't know who John Hughes is. They've all seen the Breakfast Club, but they don't know John Hughes. 18:25 But yeah, he was he rarely swung a mist. Katie: Well, I think you'd be surprised because we all know, so 18:32 there's the kind of the teen angst, John Hughes, and you're right. So I'm covering all of his movies from the eighties and nineties, 18:39 whether he directed or not. So in this case, he didn't direct what he wrote. But there were probably six or eight that he, he did both Breakfast Club being one 18:47 of them, but then later we talk about on the season, did he lose some inspiration 18:53 because he does a bunch of kid fair later. That seems to be kind of rinsing and repeating. 19:00 So Dennis the Menace, Beethoven Flubber, those are all John Hughes movies. 19:06 Andrew: They all made bank. That's the thing. Those are all big hits as it might not appeal to us, but 19:13 those all made a bunch of cash. That spawned a bunch of sequels. Katie: Yeah. Andrew: So I'm guessing 19:18 maybe in his later years he was just, he was, he was doing it as a job. Maybe his passion was gone, but he was still writing about youth, about kids 19:27 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: he was probably making a bloody fortune because the movies were, were, were huge hits. 19:33 So, you know, that, that makes, that makes sense Katie: Mm-hmm. Okay. What about you, Evan? 19:39 Evan: I just think when you look back on an artist or you know, whether it's music entertainer, you know, Andy stated everything really well, but I think. 19:46 For a time. He, he captured sort of the cultural zeitgeist of the country. His movies were tremendously popular. 19:54 for the most part, when I think of John Yu's Kid Fair, that's family friendly and adult friendly, a la home alone. 20:00 Like you could be an adult and watch the movie and, and get some level of enjoyment. And for a brief time. 20:06 He was like the it guy. His movies were tremendously popular and people may just have 20:11 gone to the theater just to seek, because it was a John Hughes movie. You knew, kind of knew what you were getting. 20:17 So, and this being one of them. Katie: Great point. Well, without further ado, shall we get into home alone from 1990? 20:30 Evan: Let's do it. Andrew: Absolutely. Katie: So the release date was November 16th 1990. 20:35 , Pg? It has a 7.7 on IMDB, one of the higher ratings for John Hughes movies. 20:45 And so as I was discussing, you know, John Hughes is our writer here, obviously but Chris Columbus is our director 20:55 do you guys know other Chris Columbus movies? Andrew: I know a couple. He was the Goonies, 21:02 Katie: Oh, I don't know. Andrew: Yeah. Katie: Okay. Andrew: No, no, no. Donna, I'm sorry. He wrote the Goonies. 21:07 Richard Donna directed the Katie: Okay. Andrew: Columbus did. Oh God. He did nine months 21:13 Katie: Yes. Andrew: with Hugh Grant. Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: I think some of the Harry Potters, Katie: Yeah. A couple of her. 21:19 Yep. Stepmom, Mrs. Doubtfire. Andrew: yeah, and I think he did Home Alone two, 21:24 Katie: he def Andrew: I think he stopped there. Katie: Yep. Andrew: and I bet she was in babysitting, I think was his big, opener. 21:31 Yeah. Katie: It definitely was. And Andrew: he discovered America, Katie: yeah, Andrew: understand. 21:36 Katie: yeah, relative, perhaps. There's a fairly new movie on Netflix that he also directed, , it's called the 21:44 Thursday Murder Club and it's with Helen Muren, Pierce Brosnan and Ben Kingsley. Did you guys see that one? 21:51 Andrew: Not familiar, but Sounds interesting. Evan: Yeah. Sounds Katie: That's quite a cast and I didn't realize that Chris 21:57 Columbus also directed that. But yes, the success of Home Alone, 22:03 Evan: my, I just have a quick Katie: go ahead Evan: and John Hughes, did they work together quite a bit? 22:09 I mean, I, I, I feel like, or was this the only, I feel like maybe Columbus 22:14 was a big kind of it name too for a while. Katie: for a while. Yeah. So. Evan: Did Katie: Hughes does have a lot of collaborators that 22:22 he works with consistently. Home Alone and Home Alone. Two are the only where they teamed up. 22:29 Evan: Okay. Katie: But yeah, so they were massively successful, which I think helped Columbus go on to do movies like Mrs. Doubtfire and those Harry Potter movies. 22:38 Yeah. Andrew: Doubtfire. Katie: Yeah. I did read that his biggest fear as a kid was burglars, and so that's part 22:44 of why he wanted to do this movie. Evan: Hmm. Andrew: certainly exercises that demon. 22:49 Katie: It certainly does. And I thought, so Andy, you bringing up national Lampoons obviously 22:55 Chevy Chase is in those, and John Hughes wrote all of those. I, I guess Columbus was actually supposed to direct Christmas vacation. 23:05 He had actually signed on to do so, but he said that after meeting Chevy Chase, it became clear that the two of them would not get along. 23:13 And even though he desperately needed a job at the time, he quit the project and he was worried that that would end his career. 23:19 But then he was brought him in to direct this movie earning like tons more money than Christmas vacation 23:26 and on a smaller budget. Andrew: That that, that's right in the playbook. I mean, Chevy Chase doesn't have the greatest reputation as far as being 23:34 somebody who and who people work with. So that doesn't surprise me at all. But to walk away against that high profile, a gig that took, that took guts, 23:43 Katie: Yeah. Andrew: huge, must have said, listen, I get it. know, step aside, we'll bring in some hack and I'll get you on the back end. 23:50 Katie: Yep. Andrew: something like Katie: Do. Andrew: I don't see him walking away from Katie: There were several instances of that where like kind of 23:57 directors swapped on Hughes movies. That's a commonality with Hughes 'cause he has his people. 24:02 And so yes, who Hughes did write this, but Chris Columbus did an uncredited rewrite 24:07 adding the character of Old Man Marley that was not originally part of the movie. 24:13 Andrew: Hmm, Katie: What you guys think about that. Evan: I, when I, when I rewatched this movie, it reminded me of how significant 24:19 a a sub storyline that that was. And it's a real big part of the movie, real satisfying, 24:25 emotional part of the movie. So just hearing that, I would say that was a real smart edition to the movie. 24:30 It really rounds out sort of Kevin's. kind of piece there. 24:36 Andrew: Yeah, Evan's, right? And, and it shows that Columbus has an eye for threads, like looking for 24:43 threads that weave throughout the movie that can connect dots here and there. He looks for holes and things. 24:49 So, that's where his talent seems to be. Katie: That's a good point. Andrew: yeah. 24:55 And Katie: do Andrew: grand, like Evan said, that's a, it's a, it became one part of the movie that everybody remembers all the time. 25:02 Evan: Rewatching it. Katie: go ahead. Evan: how significant a piece that storyline, that, that storyline is, 25:08 Andrew: Hmm. Evan: really refreshed my memory with that. I, I was kind of that and at the end, the payoff at the end. 25:14 It's, it's a real emotional kind of piece for this movie. Andrew: Yeah, Katie: I, Andrew: church scene 25:20 sort of brings everything together and sets up the entire third act. Without it, it, it doesn't work as well. 25:26 Evan: Yeah. Katie: I agree. It's completely necessary. And the man who plays him is Robert's 25:31 plural. Blossom. Andrew: some. Katie: That's interesting, isn't it? So he plays the old man neighbor. 25:37 Do you guys feel like are you getting any, any other Christmas movie characters from Old Man Marley? 25:44 What maybe where the, where Andrew: Well, Katie: Columbus. Andrew: Marley. Jacob Marley is the is is one of the ghosts in the Christmas Carol, the Scrooge story. 25:53 Guy looks like he looks like you an old English kind of miser of guy. 25:58 So, you know that there's, there's connections there. Absolutely Katie: Yeah, not by accident. Yes, it was definitely a no, a nod to Scrooge's dead partner in 26:07 Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol. And I do wanna touch on some of the other actors in this, but before doing so, we 26:14 have to call out the John Williams score. And he also did Home Alone two, which, which I've already covered on retro made. 26:22 But John Williams is probably one of the most award-winning composers of all time. 26:30 And he actually stepped in when the original composer backed out. So it was kind of a happy. 26:35 Accident for home alone to get this. Chris Columbus jokingly suggested Williams. 26:41 He didn't think he'd ever get him. And so an early cut of the movie, he was enchanted and happily 26:48 stepped in after seeing that. And yeah, the song, the score, the song is called Somewhere in My 26:53 Memory, which he was nominated for an Oscar for that, for this movie. 27:00 Andrew: I think John Williams is the, is the most a award Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: think of anybody else, but I 27:06 wonder who, who it was, who he replaced. Katie: I don't know. 27:12 Andrew: that that'd be interesting. And I'm trying to think of who Chris Columbus 'cause a lot of these directors 27:17 like to work with, you know, the same Katie: They have the same guys. Andrew: with, you know, Spielberg always uses Williams. 27:23 I'm trying to think of who who, who might have replace it must have been another high profile guy profile. 27:28 Katie: Could have been. Andrew: just trying to think Katie: Ira Newborn is a common collaborator with Hughes. 27:34 There's a few others, but, but yeah, John Williams a big get and won some awards for this movie as well. 27:41 Andrew: Yeah, that song was a hit. Yeah, that was a Katie: Mm-hmm. 27:47 Mm-hmm. So we have obviously McCulley Culkin, which I think he was like nine or 10, but he's playing an 8-year-old. 27:53 Right. Kevin is like eight in this. Andrew: I think so. Katie: Okay. And then, 28:00 So it's just kinda wild now as I don't have children, but I don't know any eight year olds that are that resourceful in my life. 28:07 I dunno, things are different than I suppose. Andrew: Well, the thing the thing about this movie to me is, you know, and I'm 28:13 going a little deep here, I resented this movie when it first came out. So I was sitting in the theater like, no, this would never happen. 28:19 This is unrealistic. This is bullshit. I hate it. But the only reason was 'cause I was resentful because obviously, as you 28:26 probably know, this opened directly opposite Rocky five blew it away. 28:32 So I was pissed off and insanely jealous. So, I did not see this through clear eyes when I first is, when I first saw it. 28:42 So I was quick to point out all those things. Oh, this is so unrealistic. This would never happen. 28:47 It's so stupid, Katie: And you've Andrew: realizing that this was a car, a live action cartoon, 28:53 Katie: and has, so you've grown to love it. I assume. Andrew: it's hilarious. It's hilarious. It's great. It's hysterical. 28:58 Katie: I was a kid. It was perfect for me because as an adult, I don't love. 29:04 Kid-centric movies where the kid is the main character, but this is an exception to the rule. Macaulay Culkin is so good in this. 29:11 Then we get Joe Pesci and Daniel Stern as Marv and Harry. 29:16 Another like Joe Pesci getting him I guess he was one of Chris Columbus's 29:22 heroes and like a thousand other people turned it down, including Robert De Niro which he and, and Pesci actually were in like six or eight movies 29:31 together, but tons of other actors considered for this particular role. 29:37 But what do you think about Joe Pesci as Harry? Andrew: Evan, you wanna take that one? Evan: certainly against against type. 29:45 And he does a great job. If I could just go back to one of the, you know, the prior point about McCaulay Culkin. 29:50 And you know, yeah, it's certainly unre. Like it's not believable. An eight year old's gonna be left at home, but they are able to capture 29:58 like the frenetic pace of vacation day. And you're running behind. You gotta get to, you gotta get to the airport. 30:04 But what I loved about Macaulay Culkin is you remember the joy of being 30:10 home when your parents were not home? It as a young kid, it was like, was like mysterious. 30:16 I remember like the one of the first times I got to stay home on a sick day and my parents were gone and I couldn't wait to watch Good Morning America, David Hartman. 30:23 It was like forbidden fruit all this time and just walk around my house when nobody was there. Like he, I, yeah, I get it. 30:29 'cause it is completely ridiculous. But he captures that complete joy after he gets over that initial oh my God, where's mom? 30:36 Where's dad? And then it's just, it's like the house is a playground and, and the furnace is scary and the washing machine's fun. 30:43 And I could definitely relate to that. Like I, I felt that same way like the first couple of times. I stayed 30:48 home and my parents were gone. Katie: Yeah, definitely one of the best like montages of the movie, like 30:53 eating the junk and watching the stuff. He's like doing all the things you're not allowed to do. Jumping on the bed, getting into his brother's stuff. 31:00 It was, as a kid, you, it's very relatable stuff. Andrew: It kind of echoes that, that first part of Ferris Bueller staying 31:07 home from school, you know, tricking your parents and going through all that. So, so Hughes kind of connects that a little bit, 31:13 Evan: yeah, Andrew: you know. Katie: Indeed and then Marv, so Harry and Marv, I mean, I'm, I, I'm not even gonna. 31:19 State a description of this movie because I'm pretty sure everyone on Planet Earth has seen him alone. But Joe Peshy and Daniel Stern playing Harry and Marv, 31:26 they're the robbers, obviously. Daniel Stern I don't know. I don't really know if I know him from a ton of other things, 31:33 but he's perfect for this role. And another John Hughes collaborator, Christopher Lloyd, 31:38 who was in Dennis the Menace. They wanted him for this, but he turned it down. 31:44 Evan: So, Andrew: That's a funny, that's a funny idea. Katie: Christopher Lloyd Marv. 31:49 Evan: Yeah. It grew. I feel like Katie: They, Andrew: Daniel Stern, Evan: like he's like in a million things, but I'm hard 31:56 to pull up one in my brain right now. But like he was in a Katie: I Exactly. Andrew: he was in, 32:01 I think coming off City, Katie: city Slickers, Yeah. Andrew: which was a, which was a huge hit. 32:06 He was in Breaking Away. That was his big his big break back in the early eighties. Then he kind of disappeared for a while, but then City Slickers kind of brought, 32:15 I don't know what came first, this, or City Slickers, I wanna say City Slickers. But I'm not a hundred Katie: Mm-hmm. 32:20 Andrew: But that this one, two punch with that sort of made him like recognizable to all these people. 32:26 So then he, then he did another City Slickers. He did home Alone two, he directed a couple movies and he became a, a sort of 32:32 a household name, but I would say this is the one that, that did that for him. But he was a very well-known among the commu, amongst the community. 32:40 Katie: Director. Andrew: I I know I sound like a, like a know it all, but I knew who he was when he was in this movie. 32:46 Katie: Okay. Andrew: that's the, that's the guy from this, Katie: Okay. Evan: While he was, Andrew: go ahead. Evan: all pissed off 'cause it was against Rocky F he was like, 32:52 damnit, Rocky F Hey, I know that guy. Hey, I know that Guy Stern came on the 32:59 ski. And he was like, oh, I know that guy. Andrew: Yeah, 33:05 Katie: Michael Richards was also considered and, and Tim Robbins, which I can, Michael, they just tall and lanky, I guess. 33:13 The Tim Robbins would've been odd, I guess. I'm glad it's Daniel Stern. 33:18 Evan: Great, great Andrew: agree with you on that. Evan: Just great pairing and it's just great slapstick fodder. 33:24 There's just great, violent fodder, Andrew: Well, Michael Richards would've probably Kramer it, you know, he would've 33:31 done the Michael Richards version of that character, which I guess is what they would've been paying for. But Daniel Stern stepped out of his comfort zone and created and just 33:42 basically probably stuck to the script and did what they wanted him to do and created that character. 33:47 So I'd say it was serendipitous that Richards, 'cause Richards was, was red hot at the time because of 33:53 Katie: Mm-hmm. Sere de that's a good, a good way of putting it. And I think these two, their chemistry is really great. 34:01 Pesci and Stern. They have a good chemistry together, and I, I bought them as characters. I didn't see Joe Pesci, even though he's so famous and in so many things. 34:09 I saw Harry and Marv and they seemed to be like a lot of movies like this 34:14 that kind of tried to replicate the success of Home Alone and failed. I feel like they have these bumbling idiot bandits that are really one 34:22 dimensional, and I think Home Alone did. Did them justice. They kind of had a backstory. 34:28 They had their little quirks and I guess I very much appreciated that. Andrew: Well, Evan and I talk about this a lot when we, when we go into 34:34 movies on our thing, like you gotta get pros, you know, you gotta get people you know are good, who you know are gonna do what needs to be done. 34:45 at that point in their careers, Joe Pesci and Daniel Stern were pros every look at the casting throughout. 34:51 You got Catherine O'Hara, you got John Heard. Everybody's a pro. Everybody there is somebody who has worked, has a resume that 34:59 goes deep and all of that together creates this piece of work. So that's, that's an example of that. 35:05 And you see those guys who are the basically replacement guys in the sequel. I've never seen any of the sequels, but I've seen enough commercials 35:12 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: to know that they're just, you know, they're carbon copies of what came Katie: Exactly. Andrew: And if they 35:17 tried a little harder and went for some pros and spent a little money, maybe those movies would do a little better, or maybe people would like them a little more. 35:25 it definitely adds to it completely. Katie: I love Catherine O'Hara. I just love her in anything she does and she plays the straight woman here. 35:34 Like she's not over the top like Moira on Schitt's Creek. Think of her in like Best in Show A Mighty Wind. 35:41 A lot of those Christopher Guest movies. Any other thoughts on Catherine O'Hara generally? 35:47 Evan: I mean, she's just a wonderful comedic actress and you know, she can play it over the top. But yeah, here, she's playing the straight Woman. 35:55 I, I get almost even similar like Steve Martin and playing trains in automobiles. I remember that for me, I was like, wow, it's the first time I saw Steve 36:02 Play it straight. And then he kind of went that way for the next series of roles, but same vibe 36:08 here, playing maybe a little bit against her type, but she does a wonderful job. And ultimately, you know, GRU talked about the threads of the movie is, you 36:15 know, love of family, but especially the love of a mother and son. I think that's really highlighted here in this story. 36:22 And certainly at the end you really get that, that wallop, you know, with her. 36:27 And Macaulay Culkin does a great job. Andrew: And you gotta remember Catherine O'Hara at that time, she, out of all of 36:34 them, probably had the longest career. She was coming out of SCTV, Evan: Yeah. Andrew: The side Night live era. 36:39 She was well known amongst the comedy community. So if you think about it, if she's like reading this script, she's probably 36:46 like, why am I getting this part? Katie: The mom. Yeah. Andrew: yeah. She's like, I'm all right. 36:51 I'm just The mom. now. But she turned it into you know, a gold mine. that's because she's a pro and she's, she was good. 36:58 She's a star for a reason. Katie: She is. She is. And John Candy, also from SCTV right 37:04 Evan: Yeah. Katie: Catherine, Catherine O'Hara playing Kate Kevin's mom. There is a wildly long list of other, basically any famous woman 37:14 approximately her age in Hollywood was reportedly considered, Evan: this. Katie: but 37:19 Evan: hear this. Katie: well, Evan: I mean, do you Katie: but the one, so Evan: you have Katie: yes. Yeah, I do. 37:24 Sigourney Weaver, Diane Keaton, Holly Hunter, Jody Foster, Glenn Close, Gina Davis, Jamie Lee, Curtis, Docker, Channing, Carrie Fisher, Madonna, 37:31 Darrel, Hannah, Kelly McGillis, Leah Thompson, , Linda Hamilton. I mean, it goes on and on. There's literally like 50 people. 37:37 There was one though that I think they maybe had offered it to her and she turned it down 'cause she was busy working on the sequel of Look Who's Talking. 37:45 Andrew: Kirsty Alley. Katie: Well, can you see her in this? I, I can picture her saying, screaming, Kevin. 37:52 I can actually see it. Andrew: just about everybody on your list. I can see doing this part in their own way. 37:59 There are a couple I like, I don't know if Madonna would've sold it at that time, but Sigourney Weaver, absolutely. 38:06 Diane Keaton, definitely. They would've done it completely differently, but they would've done it in, you know, going close. 38:13 Absolutely. I feel like those, because pros bring Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: but they, you 38:18 know, it's very easy to look at it from that perspective because it's like, oh yeah, it wouldn't have worked because Catherine O'Hara was so perfect. 38:26 Catherine O'Hara did what she did with it and made it, and now it's part of history, so it is what it is. 38:32 So it's difficult to look at it from the other perspective, but I feel like they would've been just as good in many different ways. 38:38 Katie: That's fair. I, I think I concur similarly with John Heard again, like wild long 38:45 list of basically any who's who in Hollywood of, around that age. 38:51 One that really stood out that he was offered it but turned it down, was Al Pacino due to scheduling conflicts? 38:58 I would, that's one I really don't see. He, I guess I've never really seen him play just kind of a regular dad, 39:06 Evan: I think Katie: but. Evan: if, if you, if you gave me a list, I would see the, the herd character grew. 39:12 I would definitely put more credence to, because I think he's more of a minimal role here. I think Catherine O'Hara is the, is really the major focal point, 39:20 parent-wise heard really. I mean, it's not small, Andrew: Okay. Evan: minimal, minimal impact on the overall plot. 39:27 You know, he, he sees Kevin, he is like, oh, I love you kid. Sorry. You know, the emotional center was always the mother and the son. 39:34 So if you gave me names there and said, these were perhaps Pacino, I mean, sure. Over the top or whatever you might have done with it. 39:41 But I could give a little more credence to, 'cause I didn't think it was such a major, focal point upon rewatching this movie. 39:47 It's definitely, to me it was the mom and, and the son. Katie: A hundred percent. And John Herd just kind of has that like regular dad look about him and, 39:56 Evan: yeah, Katie: and Aura. Yeah. He, he's one of those people too that I can't really tell you what he's been 40:02 in, but he's really got a familiar face. And we talked about this actually on the 40:08 Evan: Give us Katie: Yeah, he's Evan: I know. Andrew: Well, he's, he's, Evan: He is like, Andrew: he's he's, Evan: You let me tell you right now. Katie. Here we go. 40:14 Andrew: he's the main antagonist. He's pretty much the main antagonist in the movie Big. Katie: Big. 40:19 Yes, big of course. Big. Andrew: and he's, he's new resident, a-hole. Like he usually plays kind of a jerk. 40:26 This is a rare kind of like warm character for him, but Evan said everything I was gonna say it's a minimal, it's an underwritten role. 40:35 But he's perfect for it because he's the kind of guy who blends into a movie. Evan: Yeah. Katie: he does. Andrew: show up, he can show up for a 40:41 scene and be like, that's that guy. And he sells it, and then he disappears. 40:46 So this, this is kind of a role that's perfect for him. You don't want the father to carry too much weight because of what Evan said. 40:53 The focus is on the relationship between Kevin and his mother. So it's really good casting and yeah, herd's like John Herd he 41:00 was on the Sopranos for a while. But again an underwritten kind of background role. 41:06 Nothing that is going to be. He's the top part of any movie that he's been in, and a lot of 41:12 guys made great careers that way. Katie: I would argue that's the better, that's the better way to go for somebody who doesn't want like big spotlight or whatnot. 41:20 But yeah, he so much so that I had forgotten. Sopranos is one of my favorite shows, but I, I had forgotten that he was in 41:28 it and he was nominated for an Emmy. For his gas role in the Sopranos. Yeah. Andrew: He's just a guy, you know, like a 41:34 JT Walsh kind of guy. Guy's always good in Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: in everything no matter what, Katie: Yes. 41:40 Andrew: His name. Katie: I, Evan: No. Katie: You, yeah, unless you're like really into it. Evan: iconic for his time. 41:46 Andrew: I'm just saying in a similar vein, like the, that guy, the guy who can, who can step up to the plate, pinch, hit and knock it outta the park no matter what. 41:54 Katie: So, Devin Tre plays Buzz, Kevin's older brother, and we talked about him on 42:00 the Dennis the Menace episode because he plays the babysitter's boyfriend in that. And I wanted to talk about him a, a little bit, but first I wanted to mention 42:10 that Keanu Reeves and River Phoenix were both considered for this role that would've been wildly different. 42:16 I feel like, Maybe not Keanu Reeves, but River Phoenix. Anyway but Devin, the guy who did play Buzz. 42:23 31 years after the movie's released, he was arrested in December. Andrew: say. 42:28 Katie: In December of 2021. He allegedly tried to strangle his girlfriend in a hotel room, and then 42:35 also came under investigation for allegations of rape a few years later. So that's probably why he doesn't have a career anymore. 42:43 I would guess. Andrew: Well, I was gonna say like for, you know, like I'd never seen him in anything else, but he just, he's always seems to get girls. 42:51 Brother is like, I mean, he's just, this, soft looking guy. Not to be mean, but he's just like, and he plays just an arrogant jerk yet 43:00 every movie he's in, he's getting girls. Well, obviously obvi obviously, he didn't know quite how to handle them, 43:06 Katie: Yeah, not, not consensually, apparently. Andrew: But he is good at what the character is. 43:11 But if they were gonna do Phoenix and Keanu Reeves, I would've wanted them to turn those guys into twins. 43:17 I'd wanna see them both Katie: Oh, that's interesting. Andrew: they did a couple movies together. 43:23 Katie: did. Andrew: had a couple things going on. One was pretty funny. But that, that, that's where I would've gone with that. 43:29 But that again, that would've sucked energy away from the main thing, 43:34 Katie: There's a lot of people, we talked about it in the sequel too. There's just each brother, so Uncle Frank and Peter is John Herd, and 43:42 then they have a third brother. They all have like a crap ton of kids. There's like far too many kids running around. 43:49 And my guest on that episode brought up a really good point, and that's partially to add to the chaos, to make it more believable that a child could 43:58 be forgotten or lost at the airport. Evan: Yep. Andrew: And it allows us to put all of those kids into one. 44:06 Sort of emotional area for us so we can focus on Kevin, so it's like 44:12 nobody here is super memorable. So that they're, like I said, taking away from taking our attention 44:18 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: serve, they serve the movie perfectly. Same one, same in the second Katie: Agreed. 44:24 Yes. So speaking of Uncle Frank, he's played by Jerry Bain and he does have one of those familiar faces but he is not super well known. 44:31 He the only movie that I in researching, he was in the Secret of My Success 44:37 with Michael J. Fox from the eighties. You guys remember that movie? Evan: I do. Andrew: I remember it. I don't remember him from that, but I remember. 44:43 But I remember the movie. Yeah, that was a hit. Katie: Yeah. Andrew: That was a big hit. Katie: Yeah.. Michael J. Fox had it going on in the eighties. 44:50 Now I did read that there's a certain actor in Hollywood that this role was actually written for. 44:55 Not played by, and I think it tracks, Andrew: Wait, which, which role? Which role? Katie: Uncle Frank. 45:00 So he's right, he's cantankerous, he's cheap, he's cruel, he's rude, he's selfish. 45:06 Any actor or is anybody coming to mind when John Hughes wrote this role? 45:14 Andrew: Chevy Chase, Katie: Good. Guess Evan: Good Andrew: worry Katie: also. Good. 45:19 Guess also. think more balding, like similar to Frank. Like they have a similar kind of look like balding. 45:28 Evan: Don Rickles. Andrew: time. Jason Alexander, Katie: That's a really good guess. Evan: good guess. 45:34 Andrew: Don Nichols is a great guess. Evan: I just Katie: too old, isn't he? Evan: said Katie: Kind of a, 45:39 a smarmy guy. Like he comes across really like he's more blonde though. 45:48 Andrew: Craig t Nelson, Katie: No. Evan: good guess. That's a Andrew: I'm. Katie: Your, your guesses are really good though. 45:54 Andrew: I'm outta Katie: Give up Kelsey Grammar. Andrew: Ooh, Evan: Could have 45:59 done actually that one. I could see that one. I could see Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: can totally see that. 46:04 Like he, he could have razed it up in more uptight and smarmy. Yeah. Yeah. 46:09 I like that. But again, this guy does the Katie: perfect He does. 46:14 Andrew: when he's on screen, he's great, but when he's off screen, we don't miss him because we're, 'cause he doesn't distract 46:22 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: It's like all, all, you know, everything's firing right Katie: Agreed. Andrew: them. Katie: Agreed. 46:27 Evan: Kelsey Grammar. We gotta go to the airport. Andrew: Yeah. 46:33 Well, that's the thing. These established names, these established stars, they think that they're being 46:38 hired because they're supposed to make it into a movie center around them. 46:44 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: they don't, know this whole thing, so they think, okay, Kelsey Grammar says they're hiring me. They want Frazier Crane. 46:50 know, so that's, that's why they just did a very good job with the casting. 46:57 Katie: They really did. Just to there's a couple of others that I wanted to round the cast out with. So, Kieran Kin plays Fuller. 47:03 Evan: Yeah. Katie: in real life is the younger brother of McCulley. And this was actually his film debut, but, and the movie he plays the cousin, 47:12 Evan: Mm-hmm. Katie: his cousin, so, Evan: Kieran, Andrew: That was. Evan: Kieran, did he, was he the one or was that Ro of the kin brothers 47:19 was real big in succession. Was that Kieran? Or Katie: Yep. that's Kean. 47:25 Evan: have Katie: Mm-hmm. Evan: career well. Katie: He certainly did. Evan: the Andrew: Yeah, he was in the father of, the, 47:30 father of the brides. Right. Evan: they, definitely got the chops for sure. Andrew: Well, the fact that he was in the movie was probably kin's father. 47:38 Katie: Yes. Andrew: from what I understand. He was running the show at the Katie: Yeah. It Andrew: but Katie: doesn't sound great, but yeah, 47:45 Andrew: wasn't Kieran didn't he, wasn't he in the father of the brides or was that Rory? 47:51 Katie: I don't know. Andrew: was the, he was the little brother. He was the little, one of the culkins, not McCauley, but one of the culkins was the little brother in the 47:57 Katie: Okay. Andrew: Steve Martin. Katie: Yeah. Andrew: Yeah. Katie: that that would track. So we talked about John Candy In this, he plays Gus Polinsky, 48:04 the polka king of the Midwest. Evan: it. Katie: And he, his role was completely, he was. 48:10 He was, he just ad-libbed the whole thing. Just just go, just improvise. And 48:15 it was partly, so I also recently covered planes, trains, and automobiles with Steve Martin and John Candy. 48:21 And he, partly inspired this Gus character on his character in planes, trains, and automobiles. 48:27 Also written by Hughes. But his filming was one day, one very long day. 48:32 He did all of his scenes and it was a favor to John Hughes. So he was just paid scale. 48:38 And we talk a little bit about in the second one, so John Candy, everyone loves 48:44 him, so it's odd that he would be upset at someone, but I think he felt slighted 48:50 that because he was paid scale for this and then the movie went on to do so well. He and Hughes kind of, there was a rift now because I think John Candy felt like 48:59 he maybe should have gotten paid a little more after the fact and, and didn't 49:05 because Andrew: I never heard that, but that's very 49:11 Katie: mm-hmm. Andrew: But also I, I'd like to know, 'cause I think they did work again together after this. 49:18 they I think they did a movie called Only the Lonely, that was a Hughes. 49:23 I don't think he directed it, but he wrote it. So I think they did continue working together at some level. 49:30 But I'd never heard that they had a falling out because this is and then he did the great Outdoors. Right. Was the Katie: That was before. 49:36 That was before. Yeah. So they had worked together a lot before, so Andrew: only the only was before. 49:41 I don't, I, I, I don't remember. But Hugs found the Uncle Buck character and applied it to all these 49:48 Katie: yeah. Andrew: that's, that, that's the one that Kandy is now like most in my, in my opinion, is most famous for, 49:54 Katie: Him and Cogan again. Andrew: yeah. And this is, this is this the, his scenes in this are just, 49:59 they bring the whole movie home. Katie: He Andrew: I can't imagine the movie without it. Katie: I know, and he just, he, he just ad-libbed all of that 50:06 with the polka king, I guess. I, I'm not super familiar with SCTV, but there is there's a reference to a 50:13 skit, like this is in reference to a skit from 1976, I guess, called the Brothers. 50:20 Andrew: May I? Katie: Yes. Andrew: These were the Katie: Sch Okay. Andrew: yeah, they were from, I forgot the country they were from. 50:26 It was him and Eugene Levy. Katie: Yes. Andrew: They would play the, they would play these, German type, accordion and candy would play the the clarinet. 50:34 Katie: Okay. Andrew: They were just these these like Czechoslovakian lizards. Where that's from. Yeah. 50:39 The s Katie: Nice, nice. Andrew: Yeah. Katie: And then this character is not a big character in the movie, but I bring 50:46 him up because of who I know him from. So there is a family crisis officer who takes a call from Kate officer Balze, 50:53 I guess is his, who he's listed as. He's like, you want me to go to your house just to check on your kid? 50:59 She's like, yes. It's actually kind of a funny scene in the police department. They're unserious about whatever's going on. 51:04 They're like wrapping gifts and eating donuts. You know, and the bureaucracy is getting in the way of, of Kate getting help. 51:10 Well, he is played by Larry Hankin. He was also in planes, trains, and automobiles. 51:16 But does he look familiar? Did he look familiar to either of you from Andrew: He was duby, he was the cab driver from Plane Trains and automobiles. 51:24 Katie: He was, Andrew: he was also in another movie with John Candy called Armed and Dangerous. Katie: he was 51:30 Andrew: He was. in that, he's, he's like a that guy. He's a, he was, he played, he played the Fake Kramer in Seinfeld when they, were 51:35 doing the TV series based on Seinfeld. So, yeah, he's a very familiar face. For good reason. 51:41 I mean, he's such a unique, unique looking guy. Katie: Did you guys, Andrew: he did, go 51:47 Katie: did you watch the show Friends from the nineties? no. You, oh, you didn't, did, you haven't. 51:54 Andrew: no. Evan: N you know, my thing with friends, I don't know if you feel this way, GRU, it's it, it's New York. 52:00 I felt like I grew up with all those, those those douches. I had no interest really. I watched a little bit and when I gave it a chance, it, it made, it gave me 52:08 a mild chuckle, but I was never big on the fringe train. Andrew: Yeah, maybe there, the, the one, the couple episodes I've seen are 52:15 funny, but it's like you could jump into anything, any episode of anywhere and, and if you've seen one, you've seen them all. 52:21 That's the vibe I get. I know that I'm probably crazy, it's just one I've never warmed up to. 52:26 Katie: it is. Andrew: I won't, Katie: Yeah. Andrew: won't, Katie: I will, it is one of my favorite sitcoms of all time. 52:31 I, I, especially when you kind of get to know the characters I, I do think it's really funny, but Larry Hankin plays the upstairs neighbor that is annoyed 52:40 by the girls downstairs, Mr. Heckles. Andrew: hmm. Katie: So that's who I immediately was like, oh my God, is Mr. 52:46 Heckles. Andrew: Yeah. He's a great character actor with great timing. He is a good go-to guy and he is still out there. 52:51 I still see him every now and then Katie: Yeah. Okay. Andrew: Yeah, Katie: Now budget wise, this was made on an $18 million budget and it made, 53:04 did you guys see how much it made? It was like in the Guinness Book of World Records at the time for how much money it made, 53:09 Andrew: well, I, I know it, I know it became the highest gross in comedy of all time, knocking out Ghostbusters, which was another reason why I didn't like it. 53:18 Katie: or? Beverly Hills Cop, wasn't it? Yeah. Anyway. Andrew: I Katie: Okay. 53:23 Andrew: I thought it was Ghostbusters. But I think it made like three or 400 million somewhere around there in the United States alone. 53:30 It was huge. Oh my God. I'd never seen a movie as big as that. Evan: I feel like it cleared. 53:38 Maybe close to 500 mil. I mean, I, I, think the numbers were, I feel like 4 53:43 Katie: Yeah. 4, 4 77. 53:49 Andrew: Wow. Katie: Which, and it held that spot until Deadpool, I guess. 53:54 Evan: Yeah. Sorry. Ghostbusters. Katie: Yeah. 53:59 Until, Andrew: that's, in 1990. Evan: yeah. Katie: Good point. That's a great point. Yeah. 54:04 So it was a runaway success. Andrew: Mm-hmm. Evan: That's worth 18 billion today. 54:11 , Andrew: And remember it. Nobody expected it to be a hit. remember seeing the trailer and it looked so stupid and people 54:19 sitting there like laughing oh my God, such a kitty stupid movie. And then just, it just exploded. 54:25 Katie: Well, it's got the great combination of, there's something in it for everybody. Everyone. It's funny. 54:30 It's heartfelt. It's a holiday Christmas. Like everyone, we, we kind of want, we yearn for that kind of 54:37 a movie at this time of year. But I had forgotten, there were several things that I noticed watching it for 54:44 this specifically because I was, you know, watching it with, with a much more careful eye than I had previously. 54:49 And the be very beginning when we see Kate is on the phone with maybe her 54:55 sister, she's on the phone with somebody, so they're packing the house is chaos, and they're having just like mundane but very relatable conversations. 55:02 Also we learned then that the McAllisters have a dog. She's mentioning, oh yeah, we just took the dog to the kennel. 55:09 So that kind of explains why they have a dog door, but we never see the dog, 55:15 Evan: Okay. Katie: Peter. Andrew: that. Katie: I hadn't either until this time she's talking to someone on the 55:21 phone, they're packing, and Peter's like, do we have a voltage adapter? Blah, blah, blah. And so there's all this chaos happening, and Kevin is coming in being all whiny 55:30 and like just adding to the chaos. So that's the opening scene that I'd really forgotten about. Andrew: When you're writing, it's all in the details. 55:37 You know, you gotta, every word needs to count. You're not just sitting there talking. You gotta be talking about something. 55:44 But that's an interesting pickup. 'cause I, now, I do remember that doggy door, Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: thinking about, wait a minute, they didn't have a 55:49 dog. Well, evidently they did Katie: Yeah. She mentioned taking the dog to the kennel. Andrew: did not, I did not pick that up, because you're paying attention 55:57 to all the chaos, not what, she's not what she's telling her neighbor, Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: you know? So that's, that's a very 56:02 interesting pickup there. I didn't really, I, I was looking for stuff like that, and I really didn't, I've seen it so many times. 56:08 I really didn't find much detail that I, that I hadn't, you know, stumbled upon already. 56:15 Katie: I can't even find detail watching Rocky over again. And I've seen that a bazillion times and I'll find, still find things. 56:21 So, I What did you guys think of the, didn't you think that the foreshadowing was extremely heavy? 56:28 Did, were you okay with that in this instance? Kevin's like, I wish my family didn't exist. And she's like, well, you might get what you wish for, wouldn't it? 56:34 Wouldn't it be sad, Kevin, you know, if you woke up tomorrow and you didn't have a family, like I, I guess I was kind of okay with it, but 56:43 Evan: Yeah, Katie: really does hit you over the head with it. I. Evan: yeah. I didn't have a problem with it. And again, I think the movie, you know, tough to believe, but yet 56:52 again, I stick by what everybody said, the, the way that they're able to. the chaos before a big family vacation. 57:00 He's not, he hadn't packed yet. Everything's a rush. The comes, the kids are up, they're messing with the driver. 57:07 He is like, sit down kid. You know, they do that well. So if you pause, believability for a brief moment, you could kind of 57:14 buy into a kid being left home. They send them to the upstairs, upstairs, you know, all, all that 57:20 setup, leading to, Hey, this kid has a good chance of being left back. Andrew: All the, all these movies do that though. 57:26 They all project, you know, parent Trap. I wish I could see the, or the freaky Friday. I wish I could change for just one day and then a half an hour later that, 57:33 you know, that something happened. They all do the thing that's going to cause nothing to happen. 57:39 So I don't have a problem with that at all. It's it's projection is the whole point. 57:46 So, so yeah, no, Katie: Okay, Andrew: that's fine. Katie: so there's a miscount. The neighbor kid is over, which causes the miscount when the older cousin 57:55 is like counting heads and she's like, yep, everybody's accounted for. The neighbor kid. His name is Mitch in this, and this was one of the things I noticed this time. 58:03 Did you guys recognize him from anything else? Andrew: did, Katie: What, what. Andrew: things. Two things. 58:09 Number one, he was in the movie The Babe with John Goodman as Babe Ruth, but even more so he was the littlest kid in Overboard 58:19 Katie: Joey in Overboard. Andrew: the Pre Herman kid in Overboard. Yeah. Katie: Hey, you guys, I covered overboard last season. 58:26 It's one of my favorite Andrew: I Katie: Kurt Russell. I do too, Andrew: Overboard. Katie: but that's something that I didn't just until I, I watched this 58:33 movie last night and I was like, oh my God, I think that's the same kid. And it was Andrew: Yep. Katie: mm-hmm. 58:39 Andrew: I. Katie: I always get kind of stressed with this kind of a scenario, but they leave their house with 45 minutes to, not the boarding time, 58:51 but the plane leaves in 45 minutes. Andrew: To the busiest airport in the country, O'Hare 58:57 International Airport in Chicago. No way in hell, Katie: I know this was pre nine 11, but they still have to check all their bags. 59:05 There's a crap ton of 'em. They're, it's a, it's a Andrew: going first class. Katie: only the parents. 59:11 Andrew: Right, but when? Evan: Oh, Andrew: Right. But when, when Evan: Only the parents. 59:16 Andrew: they could still get Evan: If you were a parent, if you were a parent, would you sit in first 59:23 class while your kid's sitting Coach? I, I couldn't do that. Andrew: hell, yes. Evan: screw you. 59:29 Katie: I would too. I would too. I think that's why we don't have kids, Andy. Evan: I Katie: I I, but I did note, I'm like, Evan: wouldn't, I wouldn't leave my kids in another 59:37 section on the plane. No. Katie: parenting was different back in the day. 59:42 Like Evan: well, Katie: you are right. I did actually take note of that 59:49 because some of the kids were actually like small children and, and there's Abu a bunch of them. They're just back there. 59:55 The parents don't seem concerned at all when they're in first class about what's happening with the kids in coach. 1:00:00 Evan: When you, when you have a large group of kids, they always keep themselves busy. So that's the, that's the plus size, right? 1:00:06 So, you know, I'm, I'm a stepdad. I, I've come to understand that. Sometimes it's easier to have two or three over than just one, because one is run, 1:00:15 you know, Hey, will you come play with me? Blah, blah, blah. You have two or three that keep themselves busy, you know, you 1:00:21 don't have to watch home alone. You could watch wrestling and, and not be bothered and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1:00:27 but yeah, I don't know if I would feel comfortable as an adult. I, listen, we've chaperoned We're, we're in education. 1:00:34 We're with camps. I don't know if I'd feel comfortable not with being within ice eyesight of my 1:00:40 precious cargo. I'll, I'll leave it at that. Katie: For a nine hour flight they're going to Paris, not, it's 1:00:46 not like an hour away too, so. Evan: And if they're missing, then Andrew: Is that? Evan: setup. Then if you, if they're missing you, have a great 1:00:52 setup for the next Liam Neeson movie. So, there you go. Katie: Yeah. Andrew: There you go. There you go. 1:00:57 Wait, they went to Paris? This one. Where'd they go in the second one? Katie: Well, this, Evan: York, Katie: they were, yeah, the family was going to Florida. 1:01:04 Yeah. Andrew: to New York. I got Katie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He gets on the wrong plane. 1:01:10 Andrew: Mm-hmm. Katie: I assume you guys are die hard fans, like the movie from Die Hard and the Evan: Yeah. 1:01:16 Katie: it is said that this is like a kid's version of Die Hard. Do you agree with that? 1:01:22 Evan: I, Andrew: I, I, Evan: Are you talking about diehard too? The, you know, the, always the the perennial Christmas movie, you know, 1:01:29 comparison, but eh, I mean, I feel like you know, and he's a big movie 1:01:35 guy, but I feel like Home Alone presents a complete slap, sticky, you know, it's cartoon violence. 1:01:42 so, I don't see it. I could see perhaps the comparison, but I, it doesn't, doesn't hit me. 1:01:47 No. Andrew: I will say this, if. This is a Christmas movie. 1:01:53 Then Diehard is a Christmas movie Evan: Agreed. Andrew: they're both about basically the same thing. 1:02:00 So, so on that front, I think they're similar. Evan: if Kevin, Katie: have that John, he John, 1:02:05 Evan: i'm just saying, if Kevin at the end of the movie screamed Holly and then went up and tongue kissed her, 1:02:11 then yes, I would perhaps give the comparison. Andrew: Yeah. Evan: since we don't get that, it's just his mom and they give a nice wholesome, 1:02:18 Andrew: Yeah. Evan: Then we'll leave it at that Katie: There's some lessons learned. Andrew: It's definitely violent though. 1:02:25 I mean, Evan: though. Andrew: These guys, take some pumps. Katie: They really do. So much so I, I guess, Hughes was like, he really wanted it to be like 1:02:35 violent and he's like, pain is funny. And while they were shooting, a lot of times people weren't laughing after the 1:02:41 take because they were so concerned that the stunt people were actually injured for real. 1:02:47 Andrew: Well, the reason that it worked, in my opinion at, because at that point in the movie, we already know our belief is already suspended to the 1:02:57 point where it needs to be to accept it. We've already accepted that this situation is completely ridiculous. 1:03:03 All he had to do is call 9 1 1 at one. There are so many things he could have done, but we don't care 1:03:08 'cause we're having too much fun. And the violence of the, of Harry and Marvin, what they go 1:03:13 through is all part of that. Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: So, it's, you know, and, and plus they show it in the trailer and it's funny, in the trailer, you know? 1:03:21 Katie: Him calling 9 1 1. I did realize he does at some point finally, like on the, you know, 1:03:27 he could have called. Andrew: Murphy. Katie: Yeah. Andrew: end, right? Katie: Macaulay Culkin on somewhat recently, somebody's podcast had said 1:03:34 that that was a big plot hole for him. He was like, why didn't this kid just call 9 1 1? And I feel really stupid because that had never occurred to me ever watching this 1:03:44 movie until I, I read that and then I was like, oh, I guess he eventually does. Evan: It's 1990. 1:03:49 It was like the Wild West with child childcare. You know, we didn't, we, we didn't become quite as it's a slight 1:03:55 joke guys, but we, you know, we're not quite as evolved in 2025. So perhaps you know, 1:04:00 I know this called the crisis team, but like Andrew: That's like hug and Columbus saying if, if the, the audience 1:04:05 is worried about that 30 minutes into the movie we're screwed. Katie: Yeah. Andrew: So, so I, 1:04:12 I think they were okay. You know? Katie: Do we ever see Kevin's room? 1:04:18 He never is in his own room, is he? Andrew: I don't recall. Evan: yeah, Andrew: don't recall 1:04:23 Evan: point. Andrew: any, he's in Buzz's room when he's in his parents' room. I never seen him go into his Katie: Yeah. 1:04:29 Yeah. Now, what did you guys assume the McAllisters did for a living? This house, there's mannequins in the basement. 1:04:39 Evan: I'm not sure, but they Andrew: he owns the Evan: go ahead. Andrew: owns the Chicago Bulls. Obviously. 1:04:45 Katie: Michael Jordan poster or cut out? Yeah. Andrew: really gave that a thought just because I didn't care enough about him, 1:04:54 Katie: Well, I always as an, Andrew: rich they're Katie: well, it's not just him. I think they both have jobs, but, they're an extremely well off family, and so 1:05:04 it's like, what do these people do? Evan: Yeah. I, I don't know what they do, but they're presented as definitely an upper middle class family. 1:05:10 mean, they're, you know, Katie: Mm-hmm. Evan: flight they can get. No cost is too, you know, she's gonna get home to her kid. 1:05:17 And certainly the home is beautiful. It seemed to be in a beautiful, nice, upscale neighborhood. 1:05:22 And, you know, McCauley, they got nice clothes. Everybody's got nice things, so I don't, I'm not sure what they do, but 1:05:29 they're presented as definitely an upper middle class family for sure. Andrew: I'm sure he is probably like a, 1:05:34 like a lawyer or something boring like that. Katie: Well, I, watching it this time, I, I did take note. 1:05:40 I'm like, why are they showing us mannequins and stuff like that and like a sewing machine in the basement? 1:05:45 So I kind of wondered if one of them worked like in clothing manufacturing or fashion or something. 1:05:51 And then when I was looking through the trivia this morning. Apparently Chris Columbus revealed in a 2024 interview 1:05:58 with the Hollywood Reporter. That in terms of conversations, what the parents did for a living, they said Kate was a very successful fashion designer and that Peter could have 1:06:08 based on John Hughes own experience, worked in advertising, but he, they didn't remember what the father did. 1:06:14 So they think Kate was in fashion design. Andrew: Well, they all are because they all use the same house. 1:06:19 It's the same, I think it's the same one in Uncle Buck. It's the same. I think it's the same one in Ferris Bureau. 1:06:25 They're all very, very similar. Katie: they're not the same houses, although they look very similar. This one is the biggest and the nicest. 1:06:33 It's like a $6 million house now. Yeah, Andrew: I want one. Katie: yeah. Right. 1:06:39 Andrew: Statues in the front that they keep, that the pizza guy keeps knocking down. Katie: I love it. Yes. So anyway, I guess that does track, that sort of explains some 1:06:46 of the stuff in the basement. Did you guys ever think , when they realized that Kevin is missing, 1:06:53 they're like, oh crap, okay. They get to Paris and they're scrambling for their plan and the rest of the family is the, they've agreed they're gonna take in two days time, 1:07:03 they're gonna take a flight home. And, she, as the mother needs to busy herself getting home sooner. 1:07:10 But wouldn't she have just been better off had she waited 1:07:15 also? Andrew: Well, we find that out at the Katie: Yeah. ' Andrew: cause they, because they get 1:07:21 there 20 minutes after she does. Katie: Like 20 minutes. Like 20 seconds. Andrew: Yeah. 1:07:26 Katie: Yeah, Andrew: didn't, she, but she didn't know that Katie: I know. Andrew: she had to get, she had to get home. Evan's shaken his head, so he is disagrees. 1:07:32 Go ahead. Evan: with you No, no, no. The Fre, and look, she's the Andrew: Oh, you do? Oh, okay. Evan: going to be anxious and she's gonna do whatever she can. 1:07:39 And when you're rushed, sometimes you don't make the best judgment. But I think that's common. 1:07:45 That's, that's that, that's Katie: A hundred. Evan: sense or common practice. So I understood her frenetic pace and jumping on the first possible thing, 1:07:53 even if it's not the best option on the hope of trying to get home to her son as quickly as possible. 1:07:58 Katie: Yeah, it does totally make sense. I think most mothers would do the same thing. It's just, it's interesting that they show even in the same movie 1:08:06 that she could have just waited, but then we have to have John Candy. Wouldn't have met John Candy. 1:08:11 Had she done that? Andrew: Yep. Katie: Mm-hmm. Hmm. Andrew: Gus Poka King in the Midwest. 1:08:16 Sheboygan. Katie: Oh, I had a couple hits in the seventies. No, no. You don't know. You don't know these. 1:08:21 Andrew: that's what that, that, Yeah, Well that's what those, that's what those guys played. You know, the, the, they were polka. 1:08:28 They were polka players. So yeah, it was a complete riff on that. 1:08:33 Katie: Whatever happened to laundry shoots in houses? It seemed like it was a thing in the nineties for a minute. 1:08:39 Andrew: I never had one. Katie: I didn't either, but like Andrew: you have them Evan: No, Katie: some nicer homes had them, 1:08:46 you know, like a more expensive home in the early nineties, had them. Andrew: maybe, well, with the, you know, the, where the washers, 1:08:52 like in the basement, like that, that, that makes sense. My washers were not in the basement. 1:09:00 A shoot would've gone nowhere. Evan: I didn't have a, didn't have a basement. But a lot of, a lot of homes in New York did, but I, we didn't have a basement. 1:09:08 But yeah, shoots were more, I, I just feel like that was more like 1:09:14 fancy, like New York City apartments. You, you had laundry shoots? Not, no, we 1:09:19 had a, had the dishonor of actually walking our Andrew: We had, we had moms, we had, we had, we had, we had mothers, we had moms. 1:09:27 We had s Evan: Throw Katie: You didn't have to take your, your clothes down yourself 1:09:32 down to the, or wherever your laundry room was. But Andrew: guess. 1:09:38 Evan: No, Katie: I don't know why I an only child friend of mine had one and she, their house was very nice and 1:09:44 I always thought that was like, so, you know, like such a rich thing to do, but you don't see that in houses anymore. 1:09:50 So, I don't know, I just, yeah, it's that's wild. Also in this super quaint. 1:09:56 Town it, they, it's really cute. They, he goes to this drug store, it's old timey, it has a gift shop in it, 1:10:02 and he's trying to get a toothbrush. He ends up shoplifting it and they literally send a policeman chasing after a 1:10:08 kid, like an 8-year-old over a toothbrush. Andrew: Well, damnit, if we're gonna maintain law and order in this country, 1:10:17 Katie: That's, ' Andrew: em all, Katie: that is, ' Andrew: em, drive, start young. 1:10:22 But yeah, little mom and pop stores are gone Katie: mm-hmm. Andrew: all you know, he'd be going into Walgreens and the alarm would be like, know, like whatever that stupid 1:10:30 thing is that they have on razor blades that you, that apparently are, a big high commodity item that they have to lock 1:10:35 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: behind a cage. So yeah, that's a little dated. Evan: Just know growing up though, in New York though, that was a sign of the 1:10:43 times you had the local mom and pop. We had a couple of them great 1:10:49 Andrew: Yeah. Evan: magazines. That's where you got your comics. Wrestling magazines. And yes, a sign of the Times. 1:10:55 By the time I left New York, the CVSs, the Walgreens, they were all moving in and 1:11:00 replacing the local mom and pop stores. Katie: I particularly loved, one of my favorite scenes still is kind of the, 1:11:09 the prank that he pulls on a pizza kid. Evan: Yep. Katie: But in watching it last night, and it, it's like using 1:11:16 the angels without souls, with the machine gunfire, this, this poor kid. And then he doesn't tip the kid, but 20 cents. 1:11:23 Evan: You're right. Keep the Katie: do you feel like, I, I don't know. As an adult now watching it, I'm like, that was really screwed up Kevin. 1:11:32 That was not a cool thing to do. And I feel like now that kid would now call, the SWAT team would come to 1:11:37 Kevin's house now, don't you think? Evan: perhaps. Yeah. Yeah. 1:11:42 Andrew: that, but that, you know, again, different, you know, we live in a much more paranoid culture Katie: Mm-hmm. 1:11:48 Andrew: you know, back then, back then we don't even let pizza go. They have to leave it at the door. 1:11:53 Now they can't even, you know, they can't even knock on the door anymore. But I remember that scene getting laughs 1:12:00 Katie: it. Andrew: the, in the theater. So if it's funny, it doesn't matter. That's, that's the 1:12:05 Katie: Yeah. Yeah. Andrew: you know? Katie: Even that pizza kid, he was good. Like he, he played his part well in this, uh 1:12:12 Andrew: And then they, and then they pay it off later again when he uses the same footage for, for Harry and 1:12:19 Katie: mm-hmm. Andrew: So it's not just there just to get a cheap laugh. It's there to actually serve, what comes later. 1:12:26 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: so it's really, you know, as, as silly as it is, it is well done. Katie: It really is. 1:12:32 I found myself again as an adult watching this with stupid questions. I'm like, where's he getting money to pay for these things? 1:12:40 'cause Andrew: it from Buzz. Katie: only had a couple bucks, Evan: That is a 1:12:45 Katie: right? Andrew: he steal, didn't he steal it? Didn't he go into Buzz's? Didn't he break in, into Buzz's Bank or something? 1:12:50 Evan: Yeah. Katie: Yeah. But there was only a few dollars in there. Evan: Maybe Andrew: was a big family. You probably, 1:12:56 we all knew where mom and dad kept their little, their little secret stash. We all knew. Katie: Well, the, 1:13:02 Evan: a, you have no Katie: yeah, I, Evan: He's Katie: did not grow up in a home where we had like a stash in the cookie jar. 1:13:08 Evan: I didn't know what my, Kevin definitely knew where the petty cash was, but I, I mean, you knew where your, I had no idea where my folks, 1:13:16 Andrew: I did. I knew where the petty cash was. Evan: so, no wonder that one time I saw you with those five 1:13:22 new episodes of Pro Wrestling Illustrated. Yeah. Right. 1:13:27 Andrew: Oh, it was a long train ride, man. Evan: Those were $2 each. Come on, 1:13:32 Andrew: Yeah. Katie: We did not have petty cash. I, as far as I'm aware, but I think the McAllisters just stored extra 1:13:40 cash somewhere that Kevin found Andrew: i'm gonna go with just, he stole it all from Buzz Katie: Okay. Andrew: What did you mean? 1:13:46 He went to the store Evan: you Andrew: he bought a pizza? Evan: He went to the grocery Katie: that's more than a couple dollars. 1:13:52 Evan: He went Andrew: have to look. I didn't notice how much he took outta Buzz's thing. Katie: But to that point, he, 1:13:59 Evan: at the grocery store and he even used a coupon. Thank you. and he Katie: he did, which I liked, 1:14:05 Evan: and she kind of looked at him whimsically like, this is not really a right thing. 1:14:11 Like I don't remember an 8-year-old going through the grocery line, but she went with it. 'cause he was very charming. 1:14:16 He made small talk with her. Katie: and , she even picks up the bag of the little army guys and she's like, what's, what's with this? 1:14:23 And he's like, for the kids, Evan: right. Yeah. Katie: It was less than $20. I made note of it. 1:14:28 It was like 19 and change for a lot of groceries, including laundry detergent, 1:14:34 all of that for less than $20. Boy, 1990. Andrew: 1990. It was 1990. 1:14:40 Evan: Things have, things have changed. Sure. Katie: Why? Why does he do laundry? Andrew: He's gotta take care of the house. 1:14:47 As you can see at the end, he, he basically has the place of looking immaculate dishes are like, he at, at some point the party stops 1:14:57 he's like, this is my house. I have to defend it and I have to take care of it. That's, I think that's part of the narrative, like, that's 1:15:04 Katie: definitely is, Andrew: why, that's why that whole scene is, so effective. In the end, she comes in and the tree is all set up and all that. 1:15:10 That's all. I think that's all part of it. Katie: well, I don't know. I. Evan: it, it's also a backhanded respect for what mom and dad, the 1:15:18 structure that they provide him. I definitely agree with Andy. I'm defending my fort, but it's like I've grown to appreciate laundry 1:15:26 and the house being clean and we're gonna set up for the holidays. Like I come to appreciate those things that mom and dad, but really, or perhaps 1:15:33 mom, provide for me. Andrew: Yeah, I, and I, think that goes to why he forgives her so easily, 1:15:40 Katie: Yeah, he does. We needed to see him rise to the occasion because, you know, again, 1:15:45 at the beginning it's foreshadowed. Oh, you can't do anything for yourself. You can't even tie your shoes or pack your suitcase, or whatever. 1:15:51 And so we see him rise to the occasion by, he's doing dishes, he's eating a well-balanced meal. 1:15:56 You know, he's doing the laundry and he's bathing. But I just, when he was doing the laundry, I'm like, I'm pretty 1:16:01 sure you have clean clothes. Like we didn't, you didn't really need to do the laundry, but yeah. 1:16:07 Andrew: But it also gives you the shave gel gag. Katie: Yeah. Yeah. Andrew: he's keeping clean, so he is 1:16:12 gotta do that thing. So, , that whole idea provides for so much. And then there's that little thing with the dad at the end. 1:16:17 He's like, what a funny guy. You know, like he comes in and he realizes, yeah, I got the eggs, he's got the milk fabric softener. 1:16:24 That little punchy joke there. And it's all just like a little cherry on top. it's details, details. 1:16:30 Katie: The details were good. Again, one of the things I didn't notice and that he chops down part 1:16:35 of their tree in their actual yard for his little Christmas tree. Evan: Yes, he does. Yep. 1:16:40 Andrew: That is, that's probably the most suspension of, there's 1:16:46 no, I can't even do that. No way. Never. 1:16:53 That's I. Katie: I kind of had, and then I was like, oh my God, that's like their landscaping that he's 1:16:59 ruining. But also, Andrew: even pick up the ax. Man. Katie: yeah. Andrew: things are, those things are heavy as hell. 1:17:05 I can't even the thing at the carnival to hit the bell on the top of the thing. Katie: It was a hand saw. 1:17:10 It was a hand saw is what he had. Andrew: buying it. Not buying it, not buying it. Evan: handsaw, even worse. 1:17:15 That's like a butter knife that would take, Andrew: Yeah. Evan: somebody Andrew: Yeah, 1:17:20 exactly. Katie: Do you guys have favorite pranks done to Harry and Marv 1:17:25 through the whole ending sequence? Andrew: I'm trying to think of the one that made me laughed the most, and it 1:17:32 was probably due to the reaction of Harry and Marvin, I have to say, when Harry. 1:17:40 Opens the door and the flame thrower him in the head and the look on his face cracks me up every single. 1:17:47 Just, just, but then when Marv, anytime Marv, just something terrible happens and he gets that delayed scream that Daniel Stern he steps on, on the nails. 1:17:57 And then, you know, the loud, high scream. So it's hard to down, but I'm, 1:18:05 Katie: Good pick Evan: Yeah. Katie: Evan Evan: nail, the nail always gets me as well, so, and Stern's reaction Scream. 1:18:13 High pitched scream. Andrew: but great thing about the movie is that they're all funny. Every single one of them, every, every pratfall is a big laugh. 1:18:24 And I can't imagine what they left out. I bet there were ones that weren't as funny that I bet, I bet they put 1:18:31 'em through a whole new level of help Katie: Tons. Andrew: yeah, I would be interested. Katie: There was a lot the one because they kept showing you knew something 1:18:40 was gonna happen with the spider because they kept showing the tarantula, buzzes, tarantula, like it's out. 1:18:46 And I was reading that the spider trainer or the handler or whatever. So they did that I think in one take. 1:18:52 'cause Daniel Stern as I would be, I'm like let's get this over with. I don't want any, anymore spider being on me than is, than than need be. 1:19:02 Well they had, apparently, they were like, well, you can't make noise because that might make the freak the spider out and actually make him attack you. 1:19:11 So the scene they do, he doesn't make noise. He, they add the scream in later. 1:19:18 Andrew: Hmm. Okay. That's a great way to do it. But yeah, he doesn't like the spider on him, not to mention the lug wrench 1:19:24 that's gonna come down on his chest. You know, that's a tough, that's tough to fake there. 1:19:29 So I could see that. Katie: Again, as an adult, there were so many things. We definitely needed Marley, we needed that church scene. 1:19:38 Especially now, like they have a whole on discussion about how families can 1:19:44 be complicated and the dynamics and your relationships with families. Like, it was very realistic in how sometimes that can be exacerbated during 1:19:52 the holidays, but deep down you love them. And I just felt like that, especially like prescient in times right 1:19:58 now, I think a lot of families are struggling, you know, with that. But then at no point does Marley ask Kevin, why you an 1:20:10 8-year-old are home alone? He doesn't ever like, that's, did that not seem odd? 1:20:16 Andrew: Well, because needs to, 1:20:22 Katie: But, but he comes to the rescue, so they could have been the church. He could have said, Hey, I need, you know, I'm holding off adult burglars on 1:20:31 my own as an 8-year-old Marley, figures it out, and does come to the rescue. 1:20:36 But I just thought, I was like, why are you not asking this kid? You've seen him throughout town over the last three days and you're not curious 1:20:41 why he's home alone over Christmas. Andrew: got di, maybe he's got dementia, maybe He doesn. He doesn't really, I don't know. 1:20:47 It's, it's one of those unanswerable questions that, that doesn't really matter. 1:20:54 Answer is yes, of course. You would think Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: like everybody. Just like everybody else, who he's running asks him the person at the store, him. 1:21:02 The only one that doesn't ask him is the one who clearly knows that he's home alone. Katie: Mm-hmm. 1:21:08 Andrew: It's a little creepy actually. Evan: stop it. Katie: Yeah, kind of. Evan: they have an Andrew: Hm. Evan: relationship almost antagonistic. 1:21:18 And the church scene sets up that they actually get to know each other. Katie: Mm-hmm. 1:21:24 Evan: the old man gives the young child some wisdom. And the young child also delivers these, you know, why 1:21:30 have you tried calling your son? And, you know, I love the payoff at the end when he looks 1:21:35 out the window and he sees that the old man. You Andrew: Oh. Evan: with reunited with his son. 1:21:41 That's that to me, that really, that, that got me too. I was like a little choked up. Katie: Mm-hmm. Evan: I mean, sure believability, but they have an awkward, you know, Kevin's afraid 1:21:50 of him, you know, he gives him a scowl. He stays away from him. It's the crazy man in the neighborhood when they actually 1:21:55 get to speak at the church. They sort of have a budding friendship, if you will. 1:22:01 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: Yeah. And upon Nevins's point, like all of that is so good and 1:22:08 so believable and so perfect. don't care that he doesn't ask him, we're too invested in what's going on. 1:22:15 That kind stuff doesn't even register, Katie: Yeah. Yeah. Andrew: know? Katie: I agree. It's nuanced in a lot of ways, but they hit you over the head in other ways. 1:22:25 I like the nuanced parts where at first he's like, sweet, I'm free. And then slowly over time we see him, you know, get more tender, 1:22:34 tenderhearted about his family and then the big payoff at the end. So, it was just expertly done, I thought. 1:22:40 Andrew: Well, that's what happens when you have a silly idea given to the right Katie: Mm-hmm. 1:22:46 Andrew: and that's, that's, what we have here. Katie: Did you want more Joe Pesci? Andrew: Didn't need it. 1:22:52 Katie: Yeah, Evan: I, Katie: I Evan: it's Andrew: Perfect amount. Evan: agreed, agreed, perfect fit. Know how they storyboarded scene one scene. 1:22:59 It was just the right amount. I agree. Katie: I think so too. Which I think for Peshy, 'cause he's so peshy in everything that you could 1:23:07 almost be afraid it'd be too much. But it was, he reigned it in and it was just his, his Marv, wait, no, he's Harry, 1:23:14 Andrew: Harry. Katie: them confused. He was really, really well done. And I did read that he purposefully kind of avoided onset McCaulay Culkin he wanted 1:23:25 McCaulay Culkin to think he was mean. So it seemed more realistic that the scenes of them together. 1:23:32 And he also said how impressed he was with McCaulay. So Joe Pesci is saying he's not like any other 9-year-old or however 1:23:40 old he was when, you know, maybe he turned 10 at the time, but he's like, he's like an old man already. That's what Joe Pesci said about McCauley Hogan. 1:23:47 Andrew: Yeah. He certainly carried himself like one, but what's interesting about both of their performances, meaning peshy and Stern, is that they're 1:23:55 the bad guys, but they're lovable. we're not afraid of them, but we're afraid for Kevin. 1:24:04 So there's still a little menace and we're still rooting for Kevin, but we still love these guys. 1:24:10 and that's such a hard thing to pull off that it's almost like by the end, we don't 1:24:16 wanna see anybody get hurt, you know? Because everybody's just so much fun to watch. So that's just, again, that goes to my thing about what, what real 1:24:24 professionals are able to do and why they, why they get paid so much and why they're so sought after. 1:24:31 And this is a great example of that. Katie: Agreed Stern when asked he was talking about again in an interview 1:24:39 'cause he had been in a few other things with Joe Pesci and he said, one thing I love to tell people about Mr. Pesci is if you really wanna 1:24:45 know who he is, listen to his music. He is the most brilliant jazz singer. Stern tells People Magazine. 1:24:51 He's got this beautiful tenor voice. I mean, he makes me weep when he sings these kinds of Sinatra songs. 1:24:58 Andrew: Well, he does have an album. Katie: I, didn't know that. Andrew: I've, never heard it. It's not as Joe Pesci, it's as Vinny Gambini, his from my cousin Vinny. 1:25:08 Katie: Oh, Andrew: like, Vinny Gambini sings the hits of Sinatra or something. I've never heard it, but it is out there. 1:25:15 Katie: I, Andrew: thing Katie: I had no idea. I had absolutely no idea. Andrew: Yeah. Katie: The original script actually called for a post credit scene of those two. 1:25:24 So a calling card of John Hughes movies is that there's a lot of 1:25:29 them have a post credit scene. Andrew: Mm-hmm. Katie: This one doesn't, but I guess it originally did. 1:25:35 And it was with Marvin Harry in prison watching the movie, the Fake movie that was made for this movie. 1:25:41 Angels without fil filthy souls on tv, along with the other prisoners during Christmas. 1:25:47 And when they hear the dialogue that they figure out that that's what Kevin used to trick them and they exchange knowing looks, I thought that would've been good. 1:25:56 Why did they, I think they should have kept a post posting. Yeah. Evan: That Would've been Andrew: I am gonna disagree. 1:26:03 I'm gonna disagree because it's not their movie. 1:26:08 Like Katie: Well, the post credit scene usually isn't though. Andrew: I know. I just, Katie: Yeah, 1:26:14 Andrew: yeah. You know what? You're right. You're right. Forget it. It would've cool. Katie: yeah, Andrew: up a nice 1:26:21 Evan: That's Katie: yeah. Evan: right. That's would've Andrew: Yeah. Evan: we know we've talked about diminish, you've talked about diminishing returns 1:26:28 on a sequel, but that would've definitely been like, Ooh, if I'm watching that even in 90, I'm like, perhaps something will get something down the pike with 1:26:35 these guys that that could have been fun. Could have been fun. Short, it makes sense, kind of fits 1:26:40 within the plot. It could, could've, could've at Andrew: Yeah. Evan: my interest. Andrew: Just like them sitting there watching them 1:26:46 and like gives stern this look like this grimacing look like you stupid jerk. You know? 1:26:51 You Katie: Yeah. Yeah. Andrew: yeah, Katie: Yeah. Andrew: yeah, I can see it. You're right. Katie: I really, I kind and, and because I expect a post credited scene from Hughes 1:26:59 that I, I waited all the way to the end 'cause I couldn't remember and Yeah. Nope, there isn't one. Andrew: Even in the great outdoors, they have the raccoons 1:27:06 Katie: The raccoons. Yeah. Yep. There's usually one. I, there's a few other bits of trivia that I, I wanna pose to guys. 1:27:12 So there's a very small part. There's a man who plays Santa and he's, you know, at the 1:27:17 little town square Santa shop. You'll never guess who auditioned to play that. 1:27:23 Very small part. A very, a very well known comedian 1:27:30 of the nineties. He is no longer with us. 1:27:35 Evan: Sam Kinison. Katie: Ooh, that's a good guess. No. Evan: The Andrew: Anderson 1:27:40 Evan: The, yeah, because I was just gonna say that the guy is like a rumpled Santa smoking a cigarette, know, kind of disorganized, kind of blows the kid off. 1:27:50 But he is a little sweet to him towards the end. I'm, that's an interesting Andrew: was the comedian's heyday in the nineties. 1:27:57 Katie: Yeah, Evan: dice? Katie: the Now consider, he wasn't famous yet. 1:28:02 He's auditioning for this very small part Andrew: Kevin Mooney? Obviously Katie: no, no. 1:28:07 Very famous. Very famous. Andrew: famous. Very famous. Oh, okay. Gilbert Godfrey. 1:28:14 Katie: No, but he auditioned for ano, I think John Herb's part. Andrew: Really? Katie: Yeah. 1:28:20 Yeah. Andrew: Yeah. I don't know who, who, who. Evan: Kevin. Katie: Farley. 1:28:25 Andrew: Chris Farley. Katie: Isn't that wild? Andrew: Chris Farley. All right. 1:28:31 He would've, Evan: Yeah. Nah, Andrew: would've stolen the movie. He probably, he probably would've overdone it. 1:28:36 Evan: yeah, because it's, a Andrew: This guy was good, Evan: it's not really a, a chance to sort of, it's, it's a pretty straight up kind 1:28:42 of scene. Don't know if there had been a chance to really Andrew: but, but even that guy, but even that guy was a familiar face. 1:28:50 Been, and he was on a TV show called Herman's Head, Katie: oh, Andrew: That I recognized him from. He was a that guy, and he ended up being an Armageddon a couple 1:28:58 years later he was a pro. So Katie: mm-hmm. Andrew: that's just another example of you gotta have the right people doing all these things. 1:29:05 Katie: Yeah, you're right. I do. Andrew: Yeah. Remember that? Come on. You remember that show? 1:29:11 Katie: I've heard of it. I don't think I've seen it. Evan: Fox Andrew: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Evan: the NFL Herman's 1:29:17 head, followed by Andrew: After a, after a current affair? 1:29:24 Katie: Do you guys remember the actor who played the dad and Alf? Do you guys, you've seen Alf right from 1:29:30 Evan: Willie. Andrew: his name. I know he died recently. But he kind of had a voice. He kind of had a voice like 1:29:37 Katie: Yes. Andrew: Yeah. A little, little drip, but yeah, like that. Katie: Max Wright. 1:29:43 Andrew: his Katie: His name is Max Wright. Andrew: Yeah. Katie: so Alf was in 1986, so that's kind of already run its course. 1:29:49 This is 1990. Max Wright has offered the role to play any of the three Peter McAllister, uncle 1:29:56 Frank or the Uncle Rob that we hardly see. There was a deleted scene with him and him as well as Harry. 1:30:04 He had the opportunity to play any of those, but he turned down all four roles. 1:30:10 I don't know why you would, Andrew: he would've been Uncle Frank. 1:30:16 Katie: but like he wasn't, was he like a star still? Did he Andrew: he was, but, but he was very familiar. 1:30:21 'cause Al he was a familiar Katie: mm-hmm. Andrew: and everybody, you know, Al was a huge hit. And he, he would've been a, he would've been good in that role. 1:30:28 'cause he would've given a whiny little, Katie: He would've? Yeah. Andrew: little, the guy who did it was fine, but 1:30:34 Katie: Mm-hmm. Andrew: guy would've been just as good. I don't see him as the Peter role because you like Peter Peter, you know, and, 1:30:41 and this guy is just not that likable, Katie: Well, he is just like a dad, you know? He played the dad. Andrew: But, I feel like John Heard was the perfect person for the role. 1:30:51 Katie: I just thought it was interesting he turned them down, like why wouldn't he want to be in the movie? Andrew: It's a great question. 1:30:57 Evan: was, Katie: Yeah. Evan: in that AF money. I don't know. Katie: I guess, Andrew: think, well think about what it 1:31:02 looks like on paper. This looks like, like he had just done al for as many however many years and 1:31:09 he's probably trying to break out of the kitty, kind of like silly whatever. And on paper, this probably looks exactly like that. 1:31:17 You know, if you're reading this script, you are not seeing Catherine O'Hara, you're not seeing Joe Peche, you're not seeing the what, what it looks like. 1:31:24 All you're seeing is a little kid beating the crap out of older guys. So maybe he's looking at this this is not the, I'm done with this kind of stuff. 1:31:32 I want to go in a different direction. That could have been it. Nobody thought this movie was gonna be Katie: you're right. I guess I just thought there a, a number of years had passed between the 1:31:41 ending of ALF and this and it seems like he wasn't really doing a whole lot, but I could be completely way off. 1:31:46 Andrew: It's a good, it's a good question. That's, yeah, that's the only, that's the only thing I can see. 1:31:51 Katie: So I, I hadn't put this together. It was pointed out to me when I was doing some research. There are three Johns associated with this movie, K Herd, and Hughes. 1:32:02 All three have passed away. None of them are with us. Andrew: I think candy went first, then Hughes and heard just a few 1:32:11 years Katie: Mm-hmm. Evan: I mean, clearly it's Andrew: And that's, that's a bummer. 1:32:18 Katie: I know. Well try and leave. Leave. Andrew: is gone too, I think Katie: Who? Robert? 1:32:23 Y Andrew: blossom. Yeah, I think Katie: I think so too. I think so too. But his name wasn't John. On a more positive note. 1:32:29 Andrew: Three Johns. Katie: Yeah. Three Johns. Yeah, the three Johns. I actually think this would've been kind of good, but it didn't happen. 1:32:34 It was rumored that there was an original draft of the screenplay where 1:32:40 Uncle Frank was the real villain and as the villain behind the villains 1:32:46 and that Harry and Marv worked for him, and that he hired them to Rob 1:32:51 the McAllister house and other houses in the neighborhood, and also to kill Kevin. That would've been maybe a bit too far. 1:32:57 But what do you guys think of the possibility of Uncle Frank being kind of behind this? 1:33:03 Andrew: No, that would literally take everything, every meaning out of it, 1:33:09 Katie: What would've been a different movie? It would've been a more adult centric movie maybe, but 1:33:14 yeah. Evan: That's a Andrew: yeah. No, I can't. Evan: And the way that they Andrew: it just. Evan: pe, with Peshy early on, masquerading as the cop 1:33:23 staking out the neighborhood. It gives you a little bit of a believable kind of feel for the criminal element, 1:33:30 I think with the uncle and trying to kill it, it just too harsh too harsh. 1:33:36 For a, a family centric kind of movie, I don't think it would, would've worked as well for me. 1:33:42 Katie: I think I agree. I can see a version that is not, you know, 'cause I like darker bo like, I like crime movies. 1:33:48 I can see it working as more of an adult centric movie. It would've been a different movie. 1:33:55 Evan: Katie, there's where you get your diehard comparison there. You really, then you have almost like an you know, an over the top kind of 1:34:02 action kind of thing with the uncle. And, but I, you know, I, I do think opening up where you have Mar Marv 1:34:08 and he's role playing a cop and he's staking out the neighborhood, could happen. I mean, you, you know, 1:34:14 that there's a criminal element Katie: Yeah. Evan: out neighborhoods so that, that le lends a little more believability for me. 1:34:21 You know, I don't know how everybody else feels, but for me, I think it works The way they have it. Andrew: Yeah, I think that's too much. 1:34:26 And Uncle Frank is, is disliked just enough? Katie: Yes. Andrew: It's like it's the 1:34:32 perfect level of disdain. He's a jerk, but he's got nothing to do with anything, you know. 1:34:38 Katie: I'm in agreement. I like the movie the way that it is. I think it's an extremely well done movie and a lot of care taken into it. 1:34:45 Just reading about that, I was like, oh, that would've been an interesting take in a different direction. But I'm glad that it is the way that it is because I really do think that, 1:34:52 that, that home alone, I mean, clearly it's resonated and people watch it. It's like a must watch every year, right? 1:34:59 It's blended, the perfect elements that both children and adults Evan: Hmm. Katie: wanna come back to. 1:35:05 You know, it's, it's got all the right pieces put together, and this was a win, in my opinion for John Hughes. 1:35:11 There are other times when he kind of throws puzzle pieces together and they don't quite fit. This is one where I think was a massive hit with audiences, 1:35:19 but also at the box office. How would you like to close out the discussion about home Alone? 1:35:25 Final thoughts. Andrew: I'm still angry that it, it overtook rocky, but it's, 1:35:31 everything you said is true. is a holiday classic. It's a happy movie. 1:35:37 It's just a movie that, is going to be a crowd pleaser. Kids can watch it, families can watch it. 1:35:43 and it's just, you know, there it is. Just one of those movies that, you know, you can pop on at any point. Watch it from any moment and just get lost in it for a couple hours and 1:35:53 enjoy and be happy and smile and laugh. And Macaulay Culkin is a revelation, as far as I'm concerned. 1:36:01 And, but it's just a great study in how to make an Unserious 1:36:06 movie in the most serious way. So yeah, it's gonna be around forever. So it's a classic. 1:36:13 Absolutely. Keeps getting, it keeps growing, it keeps getting better. Kids today know it, okay. 1:36:19 They don't know the Godfather, they don't know Shawshank. They don't know some of the greatest movies ever made, but they know home alone. 1:36:25 Katie: Well put. Andrew: yeah, Evan. Evan: I think as Andy said, how to make a serious an unserious 1:36:32 movie pause in a most serious way. 1:36:37 I would say that I, this movie is certainly wears well. Like I watched it, doesn't feel overly time. 1:36:45 It's certainly a marker of time in the nineties, but it still plays really, really well. And everybody laid out all, all the great reasons. 1:36:53 It just, it took me back to a place when, in, you know, nineties when going to the movies was fun and it was a great experience. 1:37:00 The, the whole experience has been degraded a variety of reasons now in 2025. But it, it brought me back to a time where, and a lot of those 1:37:08 trips to the theater were, when Andy grew and we went and we'd punch ourselves in the shoulder and have a great time. 1:37:13 And Andrew: Yeah. Evan: it wasn't you know, and people knew how to behave in the theater and it wasn't overly expensive and all that great stuff, but loved watching it 1:37:21 and yeah, laid out all the reasons why it's still, still holds up very well in 2025. 1:37:27 Katie: Which is hard to do. That's hard to do. So Evan: Agreed Katie: Home alone. Evan: Yeah. 1:37:32 Andrew: Yeah. It's a timeless story, It's just a timeless story, Katie: It really is. 1:37:38 It really is. I loved some of the things, it has been said, well, if cell phones existed, you know, a lot of the movies that we grew up with, the plot kind of goes away. 1:37:46 You know, you have to find, you know, this is a kind of an example. The phone lines weren't there, what whatnot. But so I also, I mean, clearly, I have this nostalgia for movies of the 1:37:56 eighties and nineties, thus retro made. So thank you guys for joining me this season on Retro Made to 1:38:01 Cover Home Alone and to, do some pop culture trivia from 1990. What can listeners, if they go check out nothing worthwhile, which 1:38:10 you should all do listeners, what what do you got coming up next? What's got anything cooking episode wise? 1:38:17 Andrew: You wanna tell him what's coming up next week? Evan: me sell the show. Andy. Andy's let me sell the show. We're actually doing a hundred 50th episode and one of our core favorites 1:38:25 Bon Jovi heading back on tour. We're gonna do a Bon Jovi centric discussion. We're gonna discuss, a retro album Crush their big comeback 1:38:34 album in the early two thousands. And we'll do our week. That was all. Some fun stories, pop culture stories of the week, and we'll talk about Bon Jovi 1:38:44 crush and back in the news touring and some of the latest rumors around the tour, and Richie Sambo and all that good stuff. 1:38:51 That's our hundred 50th episode Jovi Crush. Katie: Congratulations on 150 episodes and look forward to that episode. 1:39:00 Listeners, this is our wrap on home alone. I can't wait to hear your thoughts if there's anything that you didn't notice in 1:39:07 previous viewings, because I know you'll all be watching it this holiday season. You know, so if you enjoy this episode, don't forget to follow, review or drop 1:39:16 me a note to let me know what you think. I would love to hear your thoughts, but until next time, be kind. 1:39:22 Rewind.