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Philip Kinsella: The Interdimensional Theory of UFOs · The BEYOND Podcast

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  Unknown: I woke up and I couldn't move. There was someone standing at
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  the end of my bed. I heard a voice calling my name,
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  but the person was already dead. That object in the sky didn't
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  move. Like anything human.
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  These aren't stories from a horror film.
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  There they experience this. Philip Kinsella has spent
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  decades investigating. Philip is an award-winning
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  psychic medium UFO researcher and author known for work on
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  consciousness, the afterlife and non human intelligence.
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  He's documented hundreds of cases listening to people most
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  of us would dismiss until the. Pattern starts repeating.
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  People across the world describe the same shadow beings, the same
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  encounters, the same questions. Step into Philips world and
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  decide for yourself what's really going on.
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  Philip, lovely to have you with us on Beyond the Boardroom.
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  This is a new one for us. I say.
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  I've never had an award-winning UFO expert, psychic medium,
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  award-winning guru on the show before.
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  It's a subject that's truly out there.
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  But it's interesting. We're fascinated, absolutely
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  fascinated with a paranormal. We're fascinated with aliens.
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  We're fascinated with all these things that we can't explain.
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  And I thought I'd get the expert in, well, expert to talk all
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  about it. I have to thank you so much for
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  inviting me on your wonderful show and expert.
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  Well, we don't know what we're dealing with, but we certainly
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  have theories. And that's what I've been
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  working on throughout my life, trying to put parts of the
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  theoretical content of what's going on together.
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  And yes, if I say, unfortunately for me, maybe people will see
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  that differently. I had been touched by what we
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  call the UFO phenomena or elements of that and that that
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  that then LED into the psychic department.
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  And I wondered, you know, here is the guy that's studying
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  ufology and had an experience and now talks to the dead.
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  And I thought my reputation, such as it was, would go
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  straight down the bottom. OK, well, let's, let's talk
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  about, let's, let's talk a bit about your credentials.
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  So you've studied Ufology There is such a thing?
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  There is indeed. Yes, I'm connected with many
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  renowned research is not just here in England, but also the
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  United States of America. And the main emphasis of ufology
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  is A and had been a taboo subject.
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  The media cartel, for instance, actually made out that it's all
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  a load of old rubbish, that we were just chasing shadows.
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  But when you have an experience that defies logic, that defies
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  reality, I had to ask myself the question of whether or not I was
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  deluded or lying or the system that we serve was lying.
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  And that's what then led me into the investigations into this
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  rather to be subject which now is out there.
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  And we know that there is something.
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  We don't know what it is. We don't know where the force
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  comes from, but we know that it's out there.
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  And and my modus operandi is to find out what that is and also
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  what we are as a human species. OK, so many people are
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  fascinated in the whole subject of of the unknown, you know, so
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  everything from aliens and all the Star Wars movies that have
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  been produced about that aliens to, you know, strange
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  unexplained things happening like a sixth sense to, to, to
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  ghosts and everything like that. So, but you can study this
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  stuff, you can study it so, so can you, can you explain to us
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  what sort of qualifications you have to be placed in this
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  position of being the right person to investigate all this
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  paranormal activity and. Yeah, yeah, sure.
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  After 35 years of experiences that truly changed my world, my
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  investigated UFOs and psychic phenomena, this LED first of all
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  with regards to the awards. I was awarded the Portsmouth
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  Award from Mediumship of the Year in 2008 and I was astounded
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  by that. I was like, wow, I've been
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  awarded for the work that I'm doing.
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  And that was all set by judges and very harshly too.
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  Not just like most people think, oh, clairvoyance, like bringing
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  your grandma through and she loved cooking and cleaning.
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  No, they want evidence based mediumship.
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  So I got the award in 2008 and then I was awarded for my UFO
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  research Dedication to the Truth in 2022.
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  So this one was an accumulation of theoretical models and
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  research that I've been working on to find out what it is that
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  we're dealing with in terms of UFOs and psychic phenomena, life
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  after death, consciousness, the great beyond those areas that
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  people find fascinating. And just recently on the 25th of
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  August of this year, I was also presented with the London and
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  Southeast Prestige Award, which I collected from London.
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  And that's to do with my clairvoyance of the year.
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  So I've, I've had two awards for my clairvoyance and one for my
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  UFO research. And the UFO research was for
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  dedication to the truth of ufology.
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  So that's where my awards were. And ufology is something that
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  you can actually study and learn.
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  Oh yes, absolutely. Case histories and also working
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  with other prominent researchers.
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  This LED on to be writing some extraordinary books, the first
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  of which was Reaching for the Divine, which of all things I
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  was involved with UFO research to begin with.
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  But it was my psychic book Reaching for the Divine.
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  That was the first was taken by a publisher like many years ago.
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  And then that led on to another UFO book called Believe,
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  bridging the gap between the psychic and UFO phenomena
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  because I believe that there were elements to be made there.
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  And then I got involved with Rendlesham, the UFO case in
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  Rendlesham here in England, very famous for the 1980 event with
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  Colonel Charles Holt, who I've met.
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  And that led to a book called Sky Crash Throughout Time.
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  And subsequent to that there were a number of other UFO books
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  and psychic books that followed after that.
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  So it's interesting. I, I find it fascinating.
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  So you're an expert in the field, lots of books, you've
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  studied it. You're in a network of all these
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  UFO chases. I would call them, in a way,
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  chases. I mean, someone's got to do it.
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  You've got something unexplained in the sky.
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  Someone's got to figure it out. Yes.
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  Well, if someone tells you certainly the system that we
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  serve, that there are no such things as UFOs, now, Uaps, it's
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  stranger that they change the acronym for some Unidentified
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  Aerial Phenomena, which brings that more closer to Earthbound
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  than UFO Unidentified Flying Object.
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  OK, so you know, I'm like one of these Ghostbusters and UFO
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  chasers. It's like if someone tells me
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  that they don't exist, I've got to find out whether or not they
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  do or not. You're a real life Ghostbuster,
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  real life UFO chaser. I love it.
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  I have literally never had Someone Like You in this in this
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  space for beyond the boardroom. It's fascinating.
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  It's fascinating. OK, let's let's let's go back a
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  little bit. What was your first experience
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  with them that made you realize there's something beyond the
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  physical world that we see? What happened?
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  Yes, absolutely. Well, I have an identical twin
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  brother called Ronald. He's an artist and author as
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  well. And we have been staying with
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  our maternal grandmother in Tatchbrook, Feltham, Middlesex.
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  And we used to spend all the time in a big house and one
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  summer's afternoon going on to evening, we're out the backyard
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  back garden and in broad daylight, there was a silver orb
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  about the size of a football that came through the broad
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  daylight and towards where we were.
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  And this has been documented and recorded.
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  And it hung over our grandmother's head about where
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  the 2nd floor windows were because their house was three
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  stories high. And we were shocked as twins
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  were like, you know, if anyone has said, oh, that's the UFO, in
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  those days, you didn't consider UFO would be that small, the
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  size of a football. It was truly extraordinary.
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  It made no sound. There was no communication.
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  It just hung there. And when we'd asked our
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  grandmother what that was, she said, oh, look, the fairies have
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  come to take a closer look at us.
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  But our grandmother was psychic. And I think that what she was
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  doing was trying to allay our fears to a greater reality.
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  She didn't seem flinched. She didn't seem fazed by it.
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  And that's always, that's always confused both my brother and I.
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  You know, you know what I'm going to.
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  This is going to sound really freaky.
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  My husband and his brother saw a similar silver thing which they
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  at the time explained as a statue head when they were in
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  the room and it sort of flew outside and they both saw it and
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  to this day they talk about it as they remember that thing we
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  saw. Yes.
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  That this is weird. Yeah.
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  And it wasn't. And it's not bore lightning
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  because if you if you go back, it's possible that what we were
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  witnessing was something that was reported back in 1945 during
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  the war. The Foo Fighters which were were
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  witnessed by Allied aircraft that would accompany these bores
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  of light that were silver and then would glow in dark would
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  would follow allied aircraft. So we're not sure maybe there's
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  some kind of reconnaissance objects.
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  We're not sure we don't know. But that was the beginning of
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  the levels of high strangeness for me and my brother.
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  And I was like, that is really weird.
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  That's. Weird.
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  It made an impact on you and you wanted to investigate.
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  Yeah. So you weren't always open to
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  this, were you? It was that moment that kind of
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  triggered something in your mind.
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  Yeah. I mean, you have to be careful
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  because, you know, I was interested in space Doctor Who
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  and all that type of thing. And and what happens later is
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  that the media will say, oh, it's because they're interested
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  in science fiction. And my brother and I have
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  written children's novels and a science fiction novel as well,
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  endorsed by David Saperstein, who's the author of Cocoon.
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  They made that into a film in 1985, a Hollywood smash hit
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  movie. So you can't win.
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  But when you were touched by the singularity, it changes you.
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  There's something deep inside that alters and you're like,
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  well, hang on a minute, can I operate in this world?
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  And we've been told this world functions on a normal level of
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  material. You know, that's how it is, the
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  materiality. And it's like, no, there's these
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  things called UFOs. And at that moment I wanted to
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  find out what they were. And I believe also it's possible
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  that when anyone is touched by the singularity, the wonderment,
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  if that's want of a better word, it's like a hitchhiker effect.
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  And it seems to connect with you.
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  You're changed. It's the same, if I may just say
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  here, with regards to how you feel about something called
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  someone. It changes your perception of
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  your reality. So this phenomena altered my
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  reality and where I was, you know, operating on a level where
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  everything was fine and cool and I got on with my life.
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  And you're presented with that when you're a kid, like
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  something from Doctor Who. And it was real and that was it.
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  The. Turning point.
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  OK, all right. But then you start publicly
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  speaking about these phenomena. You know, you speak about
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  aliens, you speak about all the things.
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  What does that do to your credibility?
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  How do people treat you seriously?
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  Do they not treat you seriously? I mean, if someone says, oh,
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  there's an alien, you know, there was an alien flying about
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  my head with my husband, You know, when he says I saw you
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  something, yes, you were a child.
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  You know, you probably saw, you know, maybe you interpreted
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  something. But you're right.
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  He has been forever affected because he adores the whole
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  subject of aliens and he was obsessed with sci-fi movies and
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  will never stop watching them. It's as if it's a, it's a, I
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  don't know how to explain it, but how do people, how do you
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  find people treat you when you speak about these subjects?
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  How? To begin with, it was very
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  difficult. The highlight of the UFO
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  research occurred in 1989. We lived in the village of
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  Mastermore Tame, which was a small village, and I had what
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  most people would commonly refer to as an alien abduction.
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  OK, but it happened on a different level of integration.
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  Most people think that when you're abducted by an alien,
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  they come through with their wispy UFO and they grab drag you
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  away and like. In the movies.
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  Yes, but there were two parts to this that were quite
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  interesting. One was physical and one was non
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  physical. One part of it was where I was
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  being taken through solid matter.
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  I'm not going to go into that because it's a very long winded
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  area and it has also been documented with regards to that
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  case. But this led me to
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  investigating. What are we dealing with?
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  We hear so much about the Grays, don't we?
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  The small beings with the big eyes.
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  I was wondering, well, what are they?
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  Where do they come from? Why do they appear so different
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  from us? And why do the system tell us
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  that they don't exist? And yet more and more people are
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  coming forward. I had to also be very careful.
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  You have to be very careful because when you're dealing with
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  subject matters of not just UFO research, but also alien
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  abductions, you have to know that you're dealing with someone
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  that has clarity of mind. And I'm not stating the obvious
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  like saying, oh, I claim to have had this happen to me, but some
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  people, you know, are like, you know, they're away with the
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  fairies. But my research has, has led me
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  into understanding on a deeper level of what we may be dealing
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  with with regards to abductions and grace.
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  And, and my experience back in 1989 opened a whole new area not
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  just within UFO research, but also to do with the human psyche
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  and what we were. You see, we tend to categorize
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  things and put them in boxes. Life after death here, UFOs
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  there, aliens there, cryptids there.
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  And I'm like, well, when you start to investigate them,
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  you're thinking, well, where are they all?
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  I mean, I've, I've got a joke here.
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  I, I do say with other researchers, you tell me where
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  they're all hanging out in the pub and I'll go down and I'll
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  have a chat with them, find out what the problem is.
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  But the phenomena is very clever because it secrets itself within
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  the shadows. And it's, it's almost when it
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  comes in, it's, it's like, you know, we're not able to have any
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  form of tangible evidence other than photographic and
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  occasionally. OK, so when when you say the
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  alien abduction thing, I have to struggle with that a little bit
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  because I think really alien abduction like that, that's
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  another level you'd be taken away.
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  But then at the same time, when you're talking about this and
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  you think about things in the shadows and things that you
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  don't see, just because you don't see them doesn't mean
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  they're not there. And if you think about some of
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  the most dangerous things in the world that we encounter virus,
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  well, you don't definitely don't see them, do you?
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  Unless you've got a very, very special end so.
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  Yes, yeah. I have to say also that it's
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  interesting. I think we're probably dealing
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  with something that operates on varied levels of dimensional
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  reality. You see, back in the 1960s and
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  70s, if anyone had mentioned to you about UFOs being
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  interdimensional in nature, oh, no, they couldn't accept that if
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  they believed in it. Most people thought that it
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  would be a structured craft coming from another planet.
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  Now, through our understanding of space, it tells us a
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  different story. So these objects exhibit the way
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  that they come across. They exhibit characteristics of
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  instrumental activity, which means they come into our space
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  very quickly and go out and this then and this.
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  This is interesting because where we are primarily as human
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  beings, we're physical on a physical planet, and these
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  beings come in perhaps on a from a higher level of dimensional
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  awareness. I would say it's rather like
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  your mobile phone. You've got the hardware, but
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  that's not the phone. The phone is the signal.
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  You can't see it. You don't know what information
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  is in it until it hits the translator and then you have
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  your information. We as human beings work in the
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  same way, obviously on a higher level where people say, well,
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  you know, when you're dead, you're dead, OK, that's fine if
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  you believe that. But we understand also that
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  there's an area of conscious survival.
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  And this also tells us that not just survival beyond this
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  physical realm of reality, people call it heaven.
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  I'm not calling it that, but this opens up a whole can of
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  worms with those other interdimensional levels of
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  reality. OK, we're going to get into
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  those. Yeah, sure.
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  Yeah. Have you ever doubted your own
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  experiences? Have you ever questioned them?
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  Yes, absolutely. To begin with, not in the sense
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  of did I wonder if that really happened to me.
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  Yes, it did happen to me. Doubted because of the ridicule
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  that I had to go through. I have never once asked to be
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  interviewed anywhere when I had the initial alien abduction in
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  1989. Interestingly, my brother had
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  1-7 years before or I did and the only one that we each
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  remember, there may have been other ones and we're 7 minutes
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  apart. I'm not saying that because they
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  were seven years apart. That's got anything to do with
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  being identical twins. His experience was very
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  different from mine. But yes, I did because the
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  system that we serve within the media cartel, when you're being
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  honest and straightforward and saying to people, look, this is
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  what happened to me, I will report exactly how it happened.
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  What happened. There was an embarrassing part
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  to that as well too within the experience.
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  And sure, you know, television got in touch and said, come on
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  board. You know, we, we've got a panel
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  of of people that want to, you know, talk to you and find out
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  what's happened. And then when you go on the
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  programs, I found that I was being slated.
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  I mean, it was just like a circus.
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  I mean, attitudes have changed now because our understanding of
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  the phenomena has changed. We're talking about back in the
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  90s and the way that we as human beings see our reality does go
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  through constant changes. And I think within ufology, the
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  study of UFOs, the same applies there.
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  So as researchers, our understanding has changed from
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  the nuts and bolts syndrome that we thought back in the 1960s and
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  70s. And now look at us now.
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  We're looking about quantum mechanics, quantum modelling,
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  interdimensional levels of reality far different from back
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  back then. But so, yes, I, I did, I did
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  doubt sometimes, you know, people were saying you're lying,
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  you've made it all up. It's and you're like, well, no,
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  I'm not lying. I'm not making it all up.
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  And because she was subjugated, because she were trodden down by
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  people who are convincing you of their reality.
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  In the end I thought, no, I'm sorry, I can't deal with that.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So did that lead you to want to investigate more?
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  Oh yes. Yes.
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  So it actually motivated. You, yeah, especially with the
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  the whole idea of not just UFOs because when you're dealing with
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  UFO research, people will say, well, is it the the crafts that
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  you're studying or is it also the aliens?
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  Well, to be honest with you, we don't know who or what is
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  piloting these crafts, but we have a lot of reports of
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  so-called Greys and other beings.
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  But it was interesting for me to primarily go into the Greys
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  because they offered more in terms of patterns, in terms of
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  people having experiences, rather like people who've had a
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  near death experience. And when they come back, there
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  are patterns that connect. There are patterns.
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  Absolutely. So that's what we're looking
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  for. Yeah.
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  And if you think about how vast you know our, our universe is
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  and you think about how, how it carries on and on and on, and
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  there's infinite, I mean, how many how, how, when do you even
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  draw the line? How many planets are there in
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  total? Absolutely.
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  What are the chances of there being other humans exactly like
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  us? Maybe just slightly different or
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  some other things? Yeah.
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  Somewhere, yes, the beginning and and you know it's.
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  Crazy to think like. There have been a few occasions
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  where my mind has been stretched to the point where I'm thinking
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  I need to hold on to this. And when people say I don't
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  believe, I'm like, that's absolutely fine.
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  But first of all, and it's a good, wonderful question, look
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  out there, what is that? What are we contained in, you
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  know, within the gravitational forces that holding everything
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  together? Nope, can't sit, don't want to
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  look at it. But there's either an edge or
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  Infinity. Even if it does look round, as
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  most cosmologists think, with the universe is like a doughnut
• 21:09
  shape. There has to be some kind of
• 21:11
  border because that's how we see things.
• 21:13
  But there must be sorry. There must be something beyond
• 21:15
  the beyond. Oh yes, absolutely.
• 21:17
  And beyond that and someone or something, that's the whole
• 21:20
  concept of God here. You get rid.
• 21:21
  Someone must have orchestrated this.
• 21:23
  Someone must have created this. Someone must.
• 21:25
  It can't just be on its own. There must have been a it's all
• 21:29
  when you stop thinking like that, your mind just can never
• 21:32
  stop because there's no answer and it will carry on.
• 21:34
  But religion does find also. This is the the the thing about,
• 21:38
  you know, this whole subjects of alien and the paranormal, then
• 21:40
  you've also got religion, you know, which says, you know, it
• 21:43
  has its things that it says. And yeah, I think it's.
• 21:49
  Quite difficult. Science and religion.
• 21:51
  Always arguing yes well religion is good if it doesn't control
• 21:55
  and harm people, but religion stagnates any form of
• 21:59
  development or moving forward their premises based purely on
• 22:03
  faith. Which is fine but it doesn't get
• 22:06
  you anywhere. They will say to you you're
• 22:07
  dealing with the devil or the UFOs and aliens are all devils.
• 22:13
  And when it comes to science, science is progressively
• 22:16
  changing. It's always altering its
• 22:18
  perspective of reality. So you have those two at log
• 22:22
  heads with one another. And I believe there's a fusion
• 22:26
  of the two. And certainly I think that the
• 22:29
  way that we're seeing this in terms of not just aliens and
• 22:33
  UFOs, but what the heck are we, where did we come from?
• 22:38
  And when I got involved with UFO research, this opened up a can
• 22:43
  of worms. It wasn't just old.
• 22:44
  There's the man that's looking at flying saucers or this opened
• 22:48
  up a can of worms for me. It really did on a deeper,
• 22:52
  personal level of what we were, where did we come from?
• 22:57
  And you have two versions, one religious and one scientific.
• 23:00
  Both of them didn't make any sense to me.
• 23:02
  So what's your version? Where, where, where?
• 23:05
  Who are we then? It's possible, and most of the,
• 23:09
  and this is quite controversial, but most of the religious books
• 23:12
  that we have today that most people hold the holy books are
• 23:15
  translations from ancient codices.
• 23:18
  And a lot of those codices have and are still being discovered.
• 23:22
  Most of those would be in 1945 in Egypt.
• 23:25
  And one of those was the Nag Hamadi.
• 23:28
  And of course, texts which described more in terms of our
• 23:32
  Genesis than what the original Hebrew Bible tells us.
• 23:36
  So I don't think we're going to know.
• 23:37
  But in those codices, it tells us that they were gods, not a
• 23:41
  God. They, they talk primarily of a
• 23:43
  force of a God force that we're all part of.
• 23:46
  And that God force created aeons, angels that separated.
• 23:51
  And one of those aeons was a goddess called Sophia who
• 23:55
  descended even further and created Masha.
• 23:57
  And she in turn created Yalda Booth, which is Satan.
• 24:00
  And people have this idea of Satan with a man in a red suit
• 24:04
  walking around with a fork. No, she created the archons.
• 24:08
  And back in the codices it tells you something that most people
• 24:12
  don't want to look at, that the gods had created us through
• 24:15
  genetic engineering. And this is what And what are we
• 24:19
  doing today? So the Adama and Eve from my
• 24:22
  understanding, was a remodification of part alien,
• 24:26
  part part hominid, Earth and sky being.
• 24:30
  And they were allowed to reproduce.
• 24:33
  So if you was to say to some, and look, is there any
• 24:36
  possibility to science and religion, both of you, that it's
• 24:39
  that that we had come from what we would call extraterrestrials
• 24:43
  that were probably like us? Oh no, no, we can't have that.
• 24:46
  So which version are we having? Darwin's theory that is very,
• 24:51
  very loosely based on information and genetics that
• 24:55
  cannot and not easily be replicated through life.
• 24:58
  And then, of course, the religious interpretation where
• 25:00
  Adam and Eve just suddenly appeared.
• 25:02
  No, if you're fine with me, I've got to dig really deep.
• 25:06
  And it's like, that is not satisfactory.
• 25:09
  There's got to be an explanation about who and what we are.
• 25:12
  And this opened up more in terms of the spirit, in terms of the
• 25:17
  story from the ancient codices and what's happening today.
• 25:21
  So the Archons. And it is known within Hebrew
• 25:23
  texts about the fallen angels that mated with beautiful
• 25:28
  females and then created the Nephilim, the giants of horrid
• 25:33
  creatures. And I wondered whether or not
• 25:35
  this war had been started from those fallen gods, because
• 25:40
  Sophia that God has had them in down the human with the spirit
• 25:45
  are not her first creation, the Archons.
• 25:48
  So this theme, what we can't prove this what can be proven,
• 25:52
  But it just seems strange that science and religion will note
• 25:56
  you're a heretic. We believe this in science.
• 25:59
  It's like, no. And it's like, but we haven't
• 26:01
  made any headway. For goodness sake, we don't even
• 26:05
  know our true origins where we came from.
• 26:10
  The Aborigines, they have their stories.
• 26:12
  They probably know a lot more than we do.
• 26:15
  The Egyptians themselves also were trying to get off the
• 26:17
  planet. They knew that the pyramids, the
• 26:19
  Great Pyramid of Cheops was a gateway to the star system,
• 26:22
  Orion, and the system that we serve today.
• 26:25
  It just feels like, well, what's going on and why are we no
• 26:30
  nearer and truly establishing about what we our and our
• 26:34
  genesis and of those in the past?
• 26:36
  Just see what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I do.
• 26:38
  And I, I definitely agree that the, you know, the Egyptians
• 26:40
  were fascinated. With.
• 26:42
  Stars and astrology, they were completely obsessed with it and
• 26:46
  and and we are too. You know, we, we find this all
• 26:49
  interesting and, and there will be a lot of us that have, you
• 26:54
  know, have a religion and also believe in science, you know,
• 26:58
  and, and also probably on some level believe that there's
• 27:02
  possibly something out there. You know, a lot of a lot of just
• 27:06
  everyday people will probably have that spectrum of, of
• 27:10
  thinking. Absolutely.
• 27:11
  And I have great respect for anyone who has their structured
• 27:15
  belief system. That is very, very important.
• 27:18
  It's when people become destructive or controlling.
• 27:24
  I mean, I've been told that I'm a Satanist.
• 27:26
  I've been told by one child that was with the Christian Church
• 27:29
  that I am a servant of Satan. I mean, I can deal with that.
• 27:34
  But what I am, I hopefully is a very practical individual that
• 27:37
  is peeling away the myth and trying to find the facts of
• 27:40
  what's going on. It is absolutely fascinating to
• 27:44
  know there is so much more to what we represent.
• 27:48
  And I'll just say here, I know without skipping forward here
• 27:52
  you have people in this life that you love.
• 27:54
  And people say they don't believe, OK.
• 27:57
  And the moment that you lose someone that you love, you come
• 28:01
  back and you tell me there's nothing because there is a
• 28:03
  deeper part within us. Oh, I'm strong.
• 28:07
  I miss on that. And it's like, yeah, well, you
• 28:11
  know, I wouldn't wish that upon anyone.
• 28:12
  But you wait until you lose someone.
• 28:14
  And then you ask the question, where have they gone?
• 28:16
  Is this all just waste? Are we all just an accident?
• 28:20
  Chaos. No, no way.
• 28:22
  I definitely. There's definitely more to it.
• 28:24
  Oh, absolutely. Of course, you know, so I, I do,
• 28:26
  I am religious, I'm Roman Catholic and my parents would
• 28:30
  probably think, what are you doing?
• 28:31
  But you know, it's interesting to hear other perspectives And
• 28:34
  to, you know, and, and the whole idea was I was saying the
• 28:37
  universe, the, the vastness of, of everything.
• 28:43
  How could there not be other things in other places?
• 28:47
  I just that I can't. The logic for me is just.
• 28:50
  Yes. Well, when you look at the Earth
• 28:52
  and where it sits and we're told no, we're the only intelligent
• 28:55
  species, and you think, hang on just a minute, just a moment.
• 28:59
  We have three objects that slung, slung through to our
• 29:02
  system already. One of the three I Atlas.
• 29:04
  And you know, already we're getting a blank screen on that.
• 29:08
  It's like the system doesn't want us to know there's anything
• 29:10
  out there. OK, there is something else to
• 29:15
  to discuss when you were talking about the things that we can't
• 29:17
  see, you know, so, so the the way that these aliens or
• 29:22
  extraterrestrials, whatever communicate in in the space, you
• 29:25
  know, in that and, and also viruses, the way that they
• 29:29
  communicate with each other. You know, we know in COVID that
• 29:31
  when there were, you know, vaccines against certain viruses
• 29:34
  once far away that haven't had the vaccine would start to mold
• 29:38
  and change. Almost reading that there's been
• 29:41
  a change here and they're not even there, but they're kind of
• 29:44
  talking. That's weird.
• 29:46
  And and also, I have to say that I've had so many, many, many
• 29:51
  times where I have this intuition in a sense, I think of
• 29:55
  someone, it's a client, it's a person.
• 29:57
  They phoned me, they messaged me minutes later.
• 30:02
  And that just happens. Yeah, what's that?
• 30:06
  Well, if you look at manifestation programs, it's
• 30:10
  trying to, you know, I want this and I want that and oh, I've
• 30:14
  thought of someone and they've turned up or they've rung or
• 30:17
  I've been, I've, you know, I've been thinking about this and
• 30:19
  it's happened. So I believe that the human
• 30:22
  consciousness, it's been conditioned, it's been
• 30:26
  programmed since birth. And this is another topic here
• 30:31
  where the system, it's kind of like program the general public
• 30:35
  to believe that we are just self-serving automatons to serve
• 30:39
  the system and not ourselves or utilize a greater part of mind
• 30:44
  as we call it, because the brain is just maybe the transmitter
• 30:47
  and receiver of consciousness. While the local mobile phone
• 30:50
  always make people laugh and say you've got all these apps on
• 30:52
  your phone and a few of them and some people like to hear a few
• 30:54
  and some people like to use a lot of them.
• 30:56
  But with here, this is where the real magic begins.
• 30:59
  This is what we are and within certain religious ideologies
• 31:03
  going back in the past, anyone that dared to use the mind
• 31:06
  outside the box was drowned or burnt.
• 31:08
  It was an example to the state, to the system to stay and check
• 31:11
  it in line. But who's to say that those at
• 31:13
  the top aren't actually using their minds to create their own
• 31:17
  magic and away from the public? And this is another area of
• 31:20
  research that we've been looking into.
• 31:22
  So we're all gods and goddesses. We are all God.
• 31:26
  We're all part of that. Heaven is within, not without.
• 31:29
  Anything without is unattainable because it has to come from
• 31:33
  within. So we are a vessel of that pure
• 31:36
  divinity. We are part of the spark of the
• 31:38
  God consciousness or the goddess consciousness.
• 31:41
  What does it have to be a man? Because God, I believe is
• 31:45
  androgynous. And we're maybe all part of that
• 31:47
  connection on some level. And we're all connected, every
• 31:51
  single one of us, a beautiful energy beings.
• 31:54
  We, we have the potential for so much.
• 31:56
  But my argument is I do joke and they say, why on earth will we
• 32:00
  come down here and then have our minds wiped and then go through
• 32:05
  this experience? And I've got some theories about
• 32:08
  that. It's possible that, you know,
• 32:09
  something's occurring from the one that we've separated from
• 32:13
  temporarily and going through an experience here and it's almost
• 32:18
  like, you know, not a judging, but kind of like a selection
• 32:21
  process. I think while we're here on this
• 32:23
  Earth, I think Earth was a wonderful project.
• 32:28
  They called it Eden. And it's got a big, big tongue.
• 32:31
  Let's put it that way. Things haven't gone quite the
• 32:33
  way that it was meant to go, let's put it that way.
• 32:36
  Because I believe that the system could have been hijacked
• 32:39
  by another altogether darker force.
• 32:43
  And, you know, people get serious, but it's true.
• 32:45
  If you go back into the past, it's always been about good and
• 32:48
  evil, hasn't it? It's always been about, you
• 32:50
  know, those evil beings as they call them, you know, So I wonder
• 32:54
  whether or not myself personally, that that force is
• 32:57
  still in operations behind the scenes that we haven't yet seen
• 33:02
  and that that's another story entirely.
• 33:04
  I. Don't want to think of myself as
• 33:07
  an experiment, but yes, you know, it's yeah, Who knows?
• 33:13
  Who knows? With the human experiment, I
• 33:15
  think perhaps from the divine that it was a new way of seeing
• 33:20
  how consciousness could separate from the one and have its own
• 33:25
  individuality, his own expression of creativity within
• 33:29
  this life as human beings. And if you think about the, our
• 33:33
  Genesis, the, the, the way that the whole thing is incredible.
• 33:37
  It's absolutely, you can't even you'd never be able to really
• 33:40
  replicate that, you know, unless you're a God or goddess.
• 33:44
  But something I think something's gone wrong and not
• 33:46
  from want of the God or the goddess, the power.
• 33:49
  I think another force has kind of like come in and try to alter
• 33:54
  or change that. And in our life today, in this
• 33:56
  world today, you can see what's happening.
• 33:59
  Transhumanism or, you know, wanting to try and make us more
• 34:04
  robotic in nature and anything to do with God, anything to do
• 34:09
  with goodness, with the spirit. It's, it's almost as if the
• 34:13
  system wants that pushed out. And I and I, no, no, because
• 34:17
  we're all part of the divine. So I've always believed there's
• 34:20
  a war going on and maybe this could account for a lot of what
• 34:24
  we're seeing in terms of the paranormal.
• 34:26
  That's not something new that's been with us here for a very,
• 34:29
  very long time. I.
• 34:31
  Mean, when I hear you talk, it's almost like it.
• 34:34
  It sounds like religion in a way, but you're saying there's a
• 34:38
  war and there's good and evil and there's this higher force
• 34:41
  and there's our innate goodness and there's someone trying to
• 34:44
  take that away. So there's a lot of if, if, if
• 34:47
  someone didn't know that you were, you know, ufologist and
• 34:49
  you've done all this research on all these paranormal things and
• 34:52
  aliens and everything, you, you would almost sound like what
• 34:55
  you're saying the similar thing. It's just that you're looking at
• 34:58
  it from a different a different angle.
• 35:02
  Do you mind going back and telling us what happened to you
• 35:06
  with alien abduction, or is that not something you want to
• 35:08
  revisit? Not really.
• 35:13
  It was a painful experience, and one that shattered my concept of
• 35:17
  reality, what I believed was reality.
• 35:20
  There was some Greys that were prevalent, and there were three
• 35:25
  other beings. One of them, one of the greys,
• 35:28
  was disturbingly familiar to me, almost plastic.
• 35:33
  It's strange, but another research had made connections
• 35:37
  with what happened that night within that abduction phenomena.
• 35:40
  And I don't wish to sound vague, but this is where I put myself
• 35:45
  in a very awkward position back in 1989 because I didn't
• 35:48
  understand it. I thought that alien interaction
• 35:50
  was wonderful and superb. And I was telling, telling, you
• 35:53
  know, people that know it was anything but.
• 35:55
  And they were telling me, no, you're deluded.
• 35:58
  You know, it's because you're a negative person that you had
• 36:00
  this experience and people were telling me what they were, where
• 36:03
  they come from, and even their names of high command.
• 36:05
  I lost the plot. All I wanted was the truth.
• 36:10
  One part of the experience occurred on a physical level.
• 36:15
  The abduction itself happened where I found myself being taken
• 36:19
  through the glass of our doors to our house.
• 36:22
  I was being pulled through and I'm thinking, how is that
• 36:24
  possible? How are they able to get the the
• 36:28
  physical part of me through matter?
• 36:30
  And this then LED into a theory that I was credited with back in
• 36:33
  1996 because I spent so many years investigating the UFO
• 36:40
  abduction phenomena. And if people are talking about
• 36:43
  it on the physical level integration, how can that be?
• 36:46
  When I was going through wars and doors and I was credited
• 36:50
  with a revolutionary speculation with regards to that, which was
• 36:53
  called Spirits in a Material World, which dealt with the
• 36:55
  Greys. And I wondered about them.
• 36:57
  You've seen about why they're interested in humans.
• 36:59
  Why was everything secreted? Why didn't they just come
• 37:01
  forward and say, hey, humans, we're here, we're here to help
• 37:05
  you. No, they're always secreted in
• 37:07
  the shadows, like ghosts in the night, you know?
• 37:10
  Do they want to help us? I don't know.
• 37:13
  I don't feel. I don't feel.
• 37:15
  So no are. They are they bad?
• 37:18
  Well, are we bad? Are we good?
• 37:20
  As human beings? You get the good, the bad and
• 37:23
  the ugly. I'm not so certain, but my idea
• 37:25
  about them was interesting. They're interested in.
• 37:29
  So we're here within your apology about hybridization.
• 37:33
  OK, just hear me out here. Hybridization, and I didn't see
• 37:37
  any of that when I had my experience, but where they're
• 37:40
  creating a cross be between them and a human, which creates a
• 37:43
  hybrid. And I thought, well, why would a
• 37:45
  species that cannot reproduce be interested in human
• 37:50
  reproduction? Certainly in hybridization it
• 37:53
  didn't make any sense. And I thought, well, if you look
• 37:56
  at the Grays, they're clones aren't well, they appear to be
• 37:59
  clones. We can't prove that's the case.
• 38:01
  They seem to be some kind of being that's self replicated
• 38:06
  that has no understanding of time, of space, of smell, of
• 38:09
  color, of taste. What do they want if they lost
• 38:13
  that spark of their divinity? Are they trying to find it
• 38:15
  through us? That was my main thesis back in
• 38:18
  1996. And again, very cleverly when
• 38:21
  you said, Alexandra, about the bringing these parts in that I
• 38:26
  have. Yes, very much so, because I
• 38:28
  think there's more to this in terms of what we're dealing with
• 38:33
  here. And just to finish off here, I
• 38:35
  thought, well, you know, we hear about the the astral planes, the
• 38:38
  lower planes. Is it possible that those that
• 38:41
  have descended into those lower planes are trying to find a way
• 38:44
  in Bridget Gap, a Bridget gap between them and our world?
• 38:47
  It was. It was possible to assume that,
• 38:49
  but my theory also encompassed other areas and not just that.
• 38:52
  OK, so so these grey looking things, these eye hollows and
• 38:58
  they really like so scary with these long years.
• 39:02
  That's what they look like. We're not sure if we're seeing
• 39:05
  the real thing. You've got to remember to us
• 39:08
  then. Yes.
• 39:08
  OK, So they look like that to us and they might be good, they
• 39:12
  might be bad, and they appear to want something from us.
• 39:16
  Yes, and they they, they want to become a part of us in a way
• 39:20
  that's freaky, that's like. Yeah, I did think I did.
• 39:24
  If you're a great, stay away. Yeah.
• 39:26
  Oh yeah, definitely. They're bad.
• 39:27
  News. Bad news.
• 39:29
  I don't want guests in that way. I think it's interesting.
• 39:32
  I mean, people will tell you how it is we, and as such, before we
• 39:35
  don't know. We have to work upon theoretical
• 39:38
  content. But think about it, what do they
• 39:41
  want? If they're here to help us,
• 39:43
  We've had no help from them. They've lied to most of their
• 39:46
  captors. They've lied to them.
• 39:47
  They they haven't helped them in any way.
• 39:49
  They're after something. They're looking for something.
• 39:51
  And it's genetic. It's material.
• 39:53
  And that's interesting. And I wondered very much about,
• 39:56
  you know, their true intentions. Is it possible?
• 39:58
  And we've got to look at this other area, you know, Are they
• 40:03
  the dead? In the lower astral planes
• 40:05
  trying to reconnect because through their passing and if
• 40:09
  they've been really evil and horrible, I'm just saying here
• 40:11
  they've been stripped of all the vestiges of that humaneness and
• 40:14
  they're trying to find their way back.
• 40:15
  Or is it an extraterrestrial presence since dimensional
• 40:18
  presence that's lost itself through the process of self
• 40:21
  replication? The spark of its divinity is
• 40:23
  gone, it's soul is being destroyed and they're trying to
• 40:26
  recreate, recorrect that or reconnect with that.
• 40:29
  That was my main thesis. So the other people that you've
• 40:33
  spoken to in your network and through your research that have
• 40:37
  been abducted by aliens that have seen these Grays, do they
• 40:41
  also see them in that form of grey?
• 40:43
  So that you've all seen them pretty much the credible ones.
• 40:45
  We're not talking about the the ones that you said, but but you
• 40:48
  know, the credible ones, you've all seen them in that format,
• 40:52
  the grey with the hollowed eyes and they all wanting this thing
• 40:55
  from you. And then they make you go
• 40:56
  through this through matter, through doors, through
• 40:58
  everything. They can just take you with
• 41:00
  them. Yes, if we go back to 1961,
• 41:04
  Kathy Martin, the niece of Betty Bynie Hill, she's a top UFO
• 41:08
  researcher. She's she's very good friends
• 41:10
  with me and my brother. She's one of our good friends.
• 41:12
  Her auntie and uncle were abducted in 1961 New Hampshire
• 41:15
  famous case, the Betty Bynie Hill case and they saw a UFO
• 41:19
  coming down over their car at night through New Hampshire and
• 41:23
  the the abduction itself came through in a dream state.
• 41:26
  It was almost as if there was a shifting of reality, as though
• 41:29
  the the beings themselves could alter reality.
• 41:33
  And I believe that when they come in, they alter that
• 41:36
  reality. So time stops in most cases and
• 41:40
  they're able to come in and then they go out and then they left
• 41:43
  the individual with sometimes repressed memories or scarred
• 41:47
  memories that takes time to resurface.
• 41:50
  I could remember my abduction very clearly, every part of it,
• 41:53
  with no regression whatsoever because I'm hard to regress or
• 41:56
  hypnotize. They can't do it.
• 41:59
  So it is interesting. It's a phenomena that eludes our
• 42:01
  sense of reality. But I think they've been here
• 42:04
  for a very long time. So, you know, if you go back to
• 42:09
  ancient times and the fallen gods and how they mated with the
• 42:14
  beautiful females and created this hybrid, the Nephilim, well,
• 42:19
  what are the greys I thought and written about?
• 42:22
  What are they doing in our modern times?
• 42:25
  They are doing more or less the same thing as what they had back
• 42:28
  then or slightly differently. They're creating some kind of
• 42:31
  hybrid, whether or not back then in the old days of old that they
• 42:35
  wanted to corrupt the original DNA connection or the original
• 42:40
  copy of what we represented on the spiritual level, that pure
• 42:43
  divinity. And they they were denied it and
• 42:46
  they wanted to corrupt it. So we're finding there's a lot
• 42:49
  of spiritual but also genetic interest here.
• 42:53
  OK, so why? Why have they chosen to go to
• 42:57
  you and they haven't come? And they better not if they're
• 43:00
  listening, come to me because I don't want them.
• 43:02
  But why? Why?
• 43:03
  Is it because you're more sensitive to it?
• 43:05
  Is it because you're more receptive to it?
• 43:07
  Is it because you're on a operating using a different part
• 43:10
  of your brain? What do you think the reason is?
• 43:14
  I have no idea. I always knew there was
• 43:17
  something different and I felt that inside, not just with the
• 43:20
  UFO research or the clairvoyance.
• 43:22
  I hate that people put that in a bracket like this is what it's
• 43:26
  called and people are like, I don't believe in it.
• 43:28
  And I said, well, that's fine by me.
• 43:30
  I'm not here to change your structure, belief systems.
• 43:32
  It'd be very difficult world if we were doing that, but I don't.
• 43:36
  I always knew there was something within me that
• 43:39
  operated on a deeper level, much deeper that that was very
• 43:44
  compassionate, very understanding, very wanting to
• 43:46
  understand and reach out and being in a world that's so harsh
• 43:52
  with people who are too quick to just tell you, well, this is the
• 43:55
  way it was and this is the way it is.
• 43:57
  And it's like, no, but we got to ask some questions here.
• 44:00
  You know, we we got to start asking some questions.
• 44:02
  But do you want to reach out to them?
• 44:05
  Do you would if you could have a conversation with the Grays?
• 44:08
  Would you want to have that? Do you want to speak to them?
• 44:11
  Yes, in on the 8th of June 1998 when I was researching
• 44:14
  Rendersham Forest. It's famous for the three nights
• 44:17
  of UF activity with the American military stationed here at Ben
• 44:20
  Waters in Suffolk, England. We had summoned a UFO, me and my
• 44:24
  brother and my and Susan, and that had been documented.
• 44:28
  We had summoned a UFO and I got the idea from the song from
• 44:31
  Karen Carpenter's Calling Occupants.
• 44:33
  And I thought, can we do that? This was this was on the 8th of
• 44:37
  June 1998 and a year before Steve, Doctor Stephen Craig
• 44:41
  created the CE5 initiative for you're using in mind when this
• 44:44
  wasn't just a light in the sky. This was a fully structured
• 44:47
  craft. Going back to your very good
• 44:49
  question about the mind. Well, the phenomena seemed to
• 44:53
  know what we wanted. Or were we projecting that out
• 44:56
  to it? Do you see what I mean?
• 44:58
  You invited. Correct.
• 45:00
  We wanted to see. Sure you want to be inviting.
• 45:02
  Yeah, I mean, it was incredible, especially.
• 45:05
  If you don't know their intentions, I mean, if you don't
• 45:08
  know whether they're good or bad, you know that's a that's a
• 45:10
  50% chance of being in big trouble if you invite them.
• 45:13
  We have nothing to lose on this side of life.
• 45:16
  We are told that you live and you die and your consciousness
• 45:20
  is completely nullified. You are no longer here.
• 45:23
  Everything within life, we're world is an accident.
• 45:26
  It's chaos, it's not order. And I'm like, OK, but that
• 45:31
  doesn't work with me because you have got nothing to lose when
• 45:36
  you're inviting whatever it is that's coming forward.
• 45:38
  That gives us hope. Hope in the sense that it tells
• 45:41
  us that we are part of something bigger.
• 45:43
  And if they are coming from wherever they're coming from,
• 45:46
  whether another world, it's dimensionally.
• 45:49
  However, what about them? Where do they come from?
• 45:54
  You see? Yeah, when when you say that you
• 45:56
  summoned this, this UFO, I actually go back to the movie,
• 46:00
  the ET movie. Oh, yes.
• 46:01
  You know where the little boy, you know, you come out and you
• 46:04
  actually see the big Did it look similar to that?
• 46:07
  No, the craft itself was huge and it was pyramidical shaped
• 46:12
  and there was a gap in a circle underneath it.
• 46:14
  Yeah, like a pyramid. And there was a gap in a circle
• 46:17
  appendage underneath it. It hung above these trees in the
• 46:19
  forest. The bottom heart was blue, had a
• 46:23
  blank Bank of blue lights. It was bluish.
• 46:25
  The top part that was separated was glowing different colours
• 46:30
  and wet, wet. One of the the top part moved
• 46:33
  one way, the other part moved the other.
• 46:35
  Almost like the witch's hat, but with a gap and moving on each,
• 46:40
  you know, different ways. Like clockwork.
• 46:42
  And I started to run towards it. I ran towards it because I
• 46:46
  wanted it. I wanted to find out what they
• 46:47
  were. And I remembered that that was
• 46:50
  an incredible experience. And people say to me, I don't
• 46:53
  believe you. And I'm like, I don't want you
• 46:55
  to believe me. It was more of a personal
• 46:57
  exploration of consciousness. It was for me, not for you.
• 47:01
  And this is the thing I have to explain here on the last
• 47:06
  sighting of UFOs, which was a major event with me and my
• 47:10
  brother and my niece Charlie, that happened on the 9th of
• 47:14
  April 2016 at 11:50 PM, fifteen PM at night.
• 47:19
  And these UFOs, the three of them were tracked, tracked all
• 47:22
  the way from the Isles of Scilly.
• 47:24
  And they were my, my niece filmed them on her mobile phone
• 47:27
  before they arrived and send it to me and my brother on that
• 47:30
  cold night because we come back from some police friends for a
• 47:33
  meal. We didn't see any aliens, but
• 47:35
  they were huge. They were right above us.
• 47:38
  And so when the my niece had filmed them and we got it all
• 47:42
  together and other researchers were in touch with us to say
• 47:45
  they'd filmed it from the other side of England.
• 47:49
  When these have been analyzed, because I want everything
• 47:51
  analyzed, everything. I want clarity on everything.
• 47:55
  No one wants to know. It's almost as if there's some
• 47:58
  kind of conscious dissidents. I mean, television got involved.
• 48:02
  Yeah. I'm not interested in that.
• 48:04
  What I'm saying is that other ufologists like, no, can't see
• 48:06
  it, because when you're presented with something that
• 48:09
  could appear as evidence, they don't want to say.
• 48:13
  It's as though they want to keep their magic within their mind
• 48:15
  going like chasing something that they can't touch.
• 48:18
  Yeah, because there were, I mean, there were there were
• 48:20
  articles what it was a few months ago about unidentified
• 48:24
  objects in the sky and that they always make it to the
• 48:27
  newspapers. You sort of think, well, what is
• 48:29
  that? And then no one really gets to
• 48:30
  the bottom of it. So there was also a big thing
• 48:33
  about, you know, governments, you know, especially in states
• 48:35
  getting involved in this. Oh, yes, conspiracies and hiding
• 48:39
  alien information from us, UFO information.
• 48:42
  Are they hiding things from us? Oh, most definitely.
• 48:45
  I think the problem is the Pentagon and there are higher
• 48:49
  officers above ordinary kernels and you know, even the top
• 48:54
  brass. I think what's happened is that
• 48:58
  when it comes to UFOs or now UAUAPS.
• 49:00
  UAPS. The same thing.
• 49:03
  It, it doesn't matter, you know, they're just trying to, they
• 49:05
  change the acronym to make it more earthly.
• 49:07
  I think the system for so long has programmed the the public
• 49:10
  into the belief that it's all rubbish.
• 49:13
  And if it is true, they're little green men coming from
• 49:15
  another, another planet and they're the sources.
• 49:17
  Yeah, they're great. Yeah, that's right, they are
• 49:20
  great. But think about this.
• 49:22
  For decades the public have been hoodwinked with this drip feed
• 49:27
  of it's possible, we're not sure.
• 49:29
  It's possible we're not sure. And film footage, photographic
• 49:34
  evidence, reports from Navy and military officials.
• 49:39
  Oh, that's upsetting the apple cart.
• 49:42
  And the reason being is that if the system did release the true
• 49:46
  information to the public, I think the public will be
• 49:49
  horrified. They'd be they'd be scared.
• 49:51
  What about things that have landed on Earth?
• 49:53
  Physical things or bits of objects?
• 49:56
  Or is is there something like that?
• 49:57
  Do we have anything? Oh, you mean crashed craft
• 50:00
  retrieved operations something? Just any kind of evidence like.
• 50:03
  That well, we don't have the evidence, but we have, you know,
• 50:07
  whistleblowers that come forward and there are clean up
• 50:09
  operations, crash retrieval, clean up operations.
• 50:12
  They have them in America. They've got them.
• 50:14
  And it's well known that they bring that, that, that whenever
• 50:17
  there is a crashed object of a known origin.
• 50:19
  And strangely enough, these objects come in rather remote
• 50:23
  locations. They never seem to.
• 50:25
  I've always been puzzled up Why don't you just, you know, come
• 50:28
  down in a city without hurting anyone, but crash somewhere
• 50:30
  where we can all see it? So 1 wonders whether or not the
• 50:34
  phenomena is deliberately bringing itself down for us to
• 50:38
  find it, or that the military themselves have got the
• 50:42
  technology to bring them down. So I think it's, you know,
• 50:45
  double edged sword with this, OK.
• 50:46
  So, So what happens with these these because there are
• 50:49
  unexplained objects in the sky and then things crash and then,
• 50:54
  you know, they say, well, we don't know what this is.
• 50:55
  What happens to all that stuff? Where does it get filed?
• 50:58
  What? Well, it's private.
• 50:58
  Does it just get categorized as unknown?
• 51:01
  We don't X-Files is there? Is there an X-Files?
• 51:04
  Is there really an X? Files.
• 51:05
  There is really an X-Files. And if anyone doesn't believe
• 51:08
  that there is because there really is, because when you're
• 51:12
  dealing with UFO research and any of those classified programs
• 51:18
  are within private companies, so there is no paper trail or
• 51:24
  connection leading to them. So it's privatized so that no
• 51:27
  one can get their hands on them. And this is well known within
• 51:30
  the field and what they've been doing is been trying to back
• 51:32
  engineer the technology. But that is interesting because
• 51:36
  I don't we don't feel that they're able to do that.
• 51:38
  We hear these stories that they've been able to replicate
• 51:41
  certain parts of this technology.
• 51:43
  But my argument is, and just given an example here, you know
• 51:47
  about the night, the famous Roswell crash in 1947 in New
• 51:50
  Mexico where the UFO crashed. And it was all a big fuss,
• 51:54
  wasn't it? And it was all covered over.
• 51:57
  And, and of course the military said first of all, when it was a
• 52:01
  flying disc had crashed. And then they changed the story
• 52:03
  to a Mogul weather balloon that that they discovered so secret,
• 52:07
  in fact, that the army didn't even know it was.
• 52:12
  So, you know, they're trying to fob the public off.
• 52:14
  But from what we understand through whistleblowers is that
• 52:18
  part of that crash had been used to reverse engineer technology.
• 52:24
  But my argument is this. So you have a disc that comes
• 52:27
  down with bodies graze and you cannibalize the UFO and you use
• 52:32
  it. But the technology is just in
• 52:34
  reach of our human understanding.
• 52:38
  So my idea is, is the phenomena trying to deliberately to the
• 52:42
  course of our human development because we have come out from
• 52:48
  the old days of old and now we've suddenly turned into a
• 52:51
  technological age overnight? We don't know.
• 52:54
  But if we are saying that someones hiding it right,
• 52:57
  someone says so there's The X-Files.
• 52:59
  Why is it? Why would they be hiding?
• 53:02
  Is it? Is it just not to panic people
• 53:04
  and create complete disorder or what?
• 53:07
  Who is controlling that? And why do they want to hide it?
• 53:10
  Wouldn't it be quite sensational and quite something to release
• 53:13
  it and then let's all talk about it on the news and what is it
• 53:16
  and analyze it, get all the scientists involved and make it
• 53:20
  a big deal? Like why?
• 53:22
  Why would there be an agenda to hide?
• 53:25
  It OK, first of all, first question before I answer that
• 53:29
  three I Atlas that's come in. It's just come around the sun.
• 53:31
  You've heard about that object that's that's come that they
• 53:34
  originally thought it was a comet, but it's it's movements
• 53:38
  and it's it's composition. It contradicts total science and
• 53:44
  that when when all of the satellites in our solar system
• 53:47
  was ready to take closer images of it, NASA went down, the
• 53:51
  Chinese space agency went down or went quiet.
• 53:54
  OK, I'm just going to say that first of all, because the object
• 53:57
  itself, most people are assuming is some kind of intelligent
• 54:01
  object that has objects accompanying it.
• 54:03
  That is, that is fact, OK, Because they know this
• 54:06
  composition is very different. So just just to make you aware
• 54:09
  of the fact, you know, well, who is running the show?
• 54:12
  Who's really operating behind the scenes, OK, with regards to
• 54:17
  letting the public know what's going on, Why are we not being
• 54:19
  informed? Good question.
• 54:21
  Why the cabal? We do have a cabal on this
• 54:24
  planet and they are people who have lots and lots and lots of
• 54:30
  money and they seem to be operating behind the scenes.
• 54:34
  And people say, oh, that's conspiracy theory.
• 54:37
  No, it's not conspiracy. What you thought was conspiracy
• 54:39
  10 or 15 years ago has turned out to be truthful today.
• 54:42
  How can that be conspiracy? So it's possible that they have
• 54:47
  the cream that why don't they want the public to know?
• 54:51
  Well, if the public knew, this is my idea, if the public was
• 54:55
  told the truth about, oh, ladies and gentlemen, we've got to tell
• 54:58
  you that UFOs, but we changed the acronym to UAPS are real.
• 55:01
  There are great aliens. They come in, they're
• 55:03
  interdimensional in nature. They are biogenetic and
• 55:06
  material. And they're wanting to kind of
• 55:08
  like do something with the human being.
• 55:10
  They can abduct people. They can also responsible for
• 55:14
  cattle mutilations. Dare we mention that?
• 55:17
  And in some cases, human mutilations, dear Lord.
• 55:19
  But by the way, if the system was to explain to the public of
• 55:24
  the reality of your UFOs, then life after death what we are,
• 55:30
  and that would lead them, I believe, all the way back to
• 55:33
  say, hang on just a minute. Within religion, religion, we
• 55:39
  are seeing these signs, We are seeing these lights, these
• 55:42
  miracles, and nothing's changed. But I think and feel that most
• 55:47
  people say, well, hang on a minute, you know, we've been
• 55:49
  lied to. You've lied to us and, and it
• 55:53
  will, I think that social order will break down because those at
• 55:56
  the top, the cabal will you know, that that their monopolies
• 56:01
  would come down. I mean, if if this object that
• 56:04
  was coming that's in space did let's just say it presented
• 56:07
  itself to the Earth. Apparently it's 13 miles in
• 56:08
  width. I don't think it will come here,
• 56:10
  but I'm just saying that those rich people will be so
• 56:14
  frightened because all their money will go because they're
• 56:17
  like, Oh my goodness me, look at that.
• 56:20
  What on earth is that? The system's told us they don't
• 56:22
  exist. And there it is.
• 56:24
  I'm not going to go to work. This is what you see what I
• 56:26
  mean? Go.
• 56:27
  To work. OK, so we've spoken about
• 56:31
  aliens, we've spoken about UFOs and all all of that
• 56:34
  extraterrestrial type thing. But you've also got a speciality
• 56:39
  in the well there is an overlap, isn't there?
• 56:41
  Paranormal. I was going to ask you straight
• 56:44
  up, do you think ghosts are real?
• 56:49
  Our understanding of ghosts is a little bit, you know,
• 56:53
  stereotypical. I think residue of energy of
• 56:57
  human consciousness sometimes can hang around certain areas.
• 57:00
  Residue of energy. Yeah.
• 57:02
  So we are energy. So you and I are energy.
• 57:06
  Everything around us is energy. It operates and fluctuates on
• 57:09
  different energy exchanges. And so I believe that ghosts do
• 57:14
  hanging around. I don't think they're out to
• 57:16
  specifically scare you. I think perhaps it could be that
• 57:20
  in some instances there are two thoughts about that.
• 57:23
  Whether or not something in a past has had such a strong
• 57:28
  impression upon the person that has died and that residue, that
• 57:33
  recording is still playing out, that has happened within the
• 57:36
  past like an echo and imprint that we're seeing of that.
• 57:38
  And and if you've heard a person that's either passing away
• 57:43
  already on their way to the other world saying something to
• 57:48
  you, or one that's already passed and you hear them
• 57:51
  speaking to you, is that energy? Yes, a transference of energy, I
• 57:56
  think can believe that in this material form, this biological
• 58:00
  form, the spirit, the consciousness, that part of what
• 58:03
  we represent has been recorded as beings, almost like they
• 58:06
  would call the secondary body, the etheric body, the astral.
• 58:09
  Body the secondary. Body The.
• 58:10
  Secondary body, it's called a secondary body, the astral body,
• 58:13
  the etheric body. So it's energy that permeates
• 58:16
  the human biological form and upon death, a lot of cases
• 58:22
  reports seeing this energy dissipate from the person
• 58:26
  normally through the mouth. The Egyptians used to do the the
• 58:29
  their rituals to, you know, smash the mouth open in their
• 58:32
  rituals to release the spirit and sometimes from the stomach.
• 58:37
  So we are energy, but we're we're understanding that that
• 58:40
  energy supersedes this physical material level of reality and
• 58:45
  goes into what we call the spirit world if it's kind of.
• 58:48
  Like like faint like not that strong.
• 58:52
  Sometimes it would just be like a voice or a a saying or.
• 58:56
  A Yeah, because. So many people have reported
• 58:58
  this. Yeah, because we're not.
• 58:59
  Matched so many. Yeah, we're not matched by that
• 59:01
  density. Remember, it's like that.
• 59:02
  Your mobile phone and the signal, they are, they
• 59:05
  complement one another very well, but they are different
• 59:09
  connections of energy. Do you see what I mean?
• 59:12
  So you can't grab the signals, you can't mould them, you can't
• 59:16
  read them until it attaches to the modulator.
• 59:19
  But normally that those who have crossed over able to reach out
• 59:23
  to their loved ones to give them a message, to give them a sign
• 59:26
  to sometimes speak to them or or give them a message to them to
• 59:30
  tell them that they're OK. That normally happens quite a
• 59:32
  lot of time. But people say I want proof.
• 59:36
  Well, you're not going to get it, are you?
• 59:38
  You know, tell me, Sir or Madam, where your signal is to a mobile
• 59:43
  phone when it's there. Well, where is it?
• 59:45
  Show it to me. You can't, but they just take it
• 59:49
  for granted, which we know. I'm just giving an example that,
• 59:52
  well, where is the signal? It's there.
• 59:55
  Where is it? You can't see that.
• 59:57
  So when we're dealing with life after death, it is fascinating.
• 1:00:02
  There are many different levels that we look we can look at with
• 1:00:06
  regards to that. And what we have to also be very
• 1:00:09
  careful of is also religious ideologies, because religion has
• 1:00:13
  its own constructs. But I believe that death is a
• 1:00:17
  very personal experience, as life is.
• 1:00:19
  We're trying to squeeze it all into the same box, and this is
• 1:00:22
  what it is. And that's what it is.
• 1:00:23
  No, it's going to be different for you, just as your life.
• 1:00:26
  Is well, I've certainly heard people saying that they've heard
• 1:00:29
  and and I've had some weird experiences myself, but you
• 1:00:32
  know, you some you'll hear of. Yeah, my, my grandmother came to
• 1:00:35
  me when my grand my grandmother when this all started with
• 1:00:39
  regards to the mediumship, and I believe you may, I didn't want
• 1:00:42
  anything to do with it. I was involved with UFO research
• 1:00:45
  before the mediumship came about was that I, we had gone to go
• 1:00:50
  and see our maternal grandmother who was dying of cancer in a
• 1:00:52
  Somerset hospital. And a week later I was at home
• 1:00:56
  in in Bedford chair and I was asleep.
• 1:00:59
  And I start I woke up and I was crying and I got visibly upset
• 1:01:05
  and I knew something had happened to my grandma.
• 1:01:07
  And her voice, her voice came in my head twice.
• 1:01:13
  Why are you crying? These were exact words.
• 1:01:15
  Why are you crying? It was her voice.
• 1:01:17
  She wasn't admonishing. Oh yes, in here clearly.
• 1:01:22
  And she wasn't angry. But I thought I was shocked.
• 1:01:25
  And then she showed me a scene in her head of her holding me
• 1:01:30
  and my twin brother as babies in her arms.
• 1:01:32
  We have the photograph. It's in the album.
• 1:01:34
  And there was a silence and then the phone rang.
• 1:01:37
  She'd passed at that point. I then went to go for the first
• 1:01:42
  time ever. I'd gone to the consultant
• 1:01:45
  medium that worked for the FBI in America who worked in cold
• 1:01:48
  soul cases. That means that she was a medium
• 1:01:51
  that would find bodies that the police couldn't find.
• 1:01:53
  So the normally the FBI would bring them in.
• 1:01:56
  So she I went to go and see her and I was kind of like on the
• 1:01:59
  fence because I'm people know me to be no nonsense.
• 1:02:03
  And she wiped the floor with me and she said to me, you'll be
• 1:02:06
  back here in two years to do mediumship.
• 1:02:08
  And I said no. And two years later, I was back.
• 1:02:11
  So you, you, you believed her what she was doing.
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  You. Oh, yes, absolutely.
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  She brought my grandmother through.
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  She knew about things that no one else knew about me.
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  She even knew about the alien abduction.
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  She brought that up in the reading.
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  Look, you're going back to, you know, back in the days of 19 and
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  late 90s, I mean, people didn't have access to information as we
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  do today. And I was stunned.
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  I remembered when she finished the reading, she brought my
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  grandma through. I got in my car.
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  I sat down in my car and I, I, I lit a cigarette in my car.
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  I never smoked in my car indoors before.
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  I lit and I put my head down on the steering wheel and I cried
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  and it was like a like a weight lifted from my shoulder.
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  And the police were using her to do.
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  To to. Oh yes, all.
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  These cases, Oh yeah, you hear about that?
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  It's just I can't explain. It can.
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  You. Well, I will tell you while
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  we're here that we were involved with her when she had consulted
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  the police here in England and she was half a mile away from
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  the body, very sadly, of Sarah Payne, the young girl that had
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  been murdered. She was half a, a mile away from
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  detecting of where her body was. Oh, yes, yeah.
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Incredible, isn't it?
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  It is incredible. So this opened up a yeah, a
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  whole new area of investigation on a psychic level, like, well,
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  can you can do that with your mind.
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  You can they help you. And as soon as I was back to see
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  her, because there was a friend of mine who had died of cancer,
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  Gareth, his name was, he was dying of cancer.
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  And this was in 1998. He died in 1999.
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  And I'd written a manuscript called The Eternal Cosmic
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  Corridor. I wasn't published then.
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  And I was going through the stage of UFO research, not
• 1:03:55
  really, you know, getting everything together and then
• 1:03:58
  being involved in the psychic part.
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  So what happened with Gareth was that he was 18 and going to 19
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  and he had cancer. He was a swimmer and he, we used
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  to work with him. He was a work colleague.
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  We all loved him. Never seen anyone go through
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  that before. Never Before he passed over, I
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  said to him, would you do me a favor?
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  I said, would you be able to show yourself to me after you
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  passed? God, that was a tall order.
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  And I thought he'd hit me because I was involved with PAL.
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  Then my grandmother had passed. So he said, sure, I'll do that.
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  How do you expect me to do that? And I said, I don't know.
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  You'll find a way. So he said, OK, I'll beam down
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  like they do on Star Trek. So he passed on the 24th of
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  June, 1999, and he'd read my book, The Eternal Cosmic
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  Corridor that then eventually became Reaching for the Divine.
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  Years later that was published. And I, after he passed, went to
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  the funeral. I went to a bookstore and this
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  book fell on the floor. It was a bookstore.
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  And down Mill Street in Bedford, Richard Wildman owned it.
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  He was an author of books on Bedfordshire.
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  He was a good man. And the book was Reunions by
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  Doctor Raymond Moody, How to communicate the dead through
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  using mirrors. It's all been written about.
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  I've written all about this. So I used his experiment of
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  mirror gazing to bring Gareth through.
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  Nothing happened where you you sit in a room and you get a
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  mirror. You put it in an angle so that
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  your face is not sewing into it. It's dark and you think about
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  the person you want to come through.
• 1:05:30
  Nothing happened. But then in the winter of 1999,
• 1:05:35
  I came back from work. I sat in the kitchen.
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  It was dark outside. The lights were on, creating a
• 1:05:41
  kind of like a black screen effect on the Conservatory glass
• 1:05:45
  doors. We have a garage Outback that
• 1:05:48
  has that is locked and there's a side door which is locked and
• 1:05:51
  there's a big gate that's locked.
• 1:05:52
  No one can get in and there was a young lad that I saw coming
• 1:05:57
  through the doorway to the garage as though exiting the
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  garage where the car is parked And I got up and he moved
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  forward and turned to face me and it was Gareth.
• 1:06:07
  He had his his cap, white T-shirt and blue jeans on.
• 1:06:11
  He was looking straight at me. Did he say anything?
• 1:06:15
  To you? Nope, he was looking.
• 1:06:16
  He looked very much the way he had just before he he was.
• 1:06:22
  He wasn't as I'll looking, but he looked like that when he put
• 1:06:26
  his hand up a sip to say what's wrong.
• 1:06:28
  This is I could see him clearly. And then I was so shocked that I
• 1:06:33
  got up and I pulled the conservative glass door back
• 1:06:36
  because that's the other doors to the the the other doors, you
• 1:06:39
  know, got conservative here than the the other conservative.
• 1:06:42
  And he'd gone. And I remembered I was so
• 1:06:46
  stunned. And that's when I went back to
• 1:06:47
  see Pearl. That was what because Pearl said
• 1:06:49
  to me, you'll be back in two years time, two to three years.
• 1:06:52
  I can't remember which it was. I'm sorry.
• 1:06:55
  I don't want to quote me on that.
• 1:06:56
  I don't care because it all happened and I was back to see
• 1:07:00
  the medium. And it was all because of that
• 1:07:02
  because I was so shocked. And I think I'm a very hard
• 1:07:05
  person. I mean, I like, I like to talk
• 1:07:08
  to people and I like to discuss and, you know, tell them how I
• 1:07:10
  feel very passionately. But it's sometimes hard to get
• 1:07:14
  through to me. But that hit me hard.
• 1:07:16
  And I think most elements of the phenomena has done that, given
• 1:07:20
  me a whack to say we're going to wake you up.
• 1:07:24
  We want you to wake up to see that this is real.
• 1:07:26
  But then how would you deal with that afterwards?
• 1:07:28
  Well, there will be a lot of people watching this that have
• 1:07:33
  had some sort of experience that they can't explain.
• 1:07:36
  Either they've seen someone that's passed away or they felt
• 1:07:40
  their energy or they've spoken to them or they've sent them
• 1:07:43
  some some sign. That's a very obvious sign and
• 1:07:46
  they know it and only them and that person would know that
• 1:07:49
  thing. There will be people watching.
• 1:07:52
  I can't explain it, but I've had these experiences.
• 1:07:55
  Whether you believe in ghosts, whether you don't believe in
• 1:07:58
  ghosts and and also with the aliens and things how how far
• 1:08:01
  you want to take that. And there is connections to be
• 1:08:03
  made, There must be links, there must be purpose, there must be
• 1:08:07
  understanding to what we are, where we come from.
• 1:08:09
  My God, you know, Otherwise what is the point?
• 1:08:14
  I go back, I have an identical twin brother and we're very,
• 1:08:18
  very close and I can't imagine life without him.
• 1:08:21
  And it's the same with all of us.
• 1:08:22
  You are someone in this mechanical existence that goes
• 1:08:26
  round in a wheel and the wheel. And I'm sitting there thinking,
• 1:08:28
  Oh my God, what on earth is going on?
• 1:08:30
  And they're probably thinking the same of me.
• 1:08:33
  And I'm like, but I'm seeing things differently from you as
• 1:08:35
  you're seeing things differently from me.
• 1:08:38
  But what I say to them is that if you've ever loved someone,
• 1:08:41
  have you ever loved someone so much and then you've lost them?
• 1:08:43
  I haven't lost my twin brother, but if you've lost someone that
• 1:08:45
  you love, that changes everything.
• 1:08:49
  We are my God. We have the spirit.
• 1:08:51
  We have a deeper part of us that I know that music's vibration.
• 1:08:54
  We listen to music, but there's a deeper part of us that
• 1:08:57
  resonates that connects on a stronger level of the spirit,
• 1:09:02
  you know, of the soul, as people call it, you know, And if you
• 1:09:06
  are denouncing that, and I'm sorry, I'm walking out of life,
• 1:09:09
  I don't want nothing more to do with it because what is the
• 1:09:12
  point? And this is, this is what I
• 1:09:14
  can't get my head round, Sandra. I can't understand why people
• 1:09:19
  are just, and they're doing it. They're moving forward because
• 1:09:22
  they have to. And I'm like, stop, stop.
• 1:09:25
  Look around you. We're not asking the right
• 1:09:28
  questions. Why is the system not telling us
• 1:09:31
  this? Why have we got no clarity here?
• 1:09:33
  Why are these people being so greedy and taking everything
• 1:09:35
  from other people? Why is there suffering?
• 1:09:37
  Why is there destruction? It goes on.
• 1:09:40
  And I just think you get to that point where you think I've had
• 1:09:43
  enough, it's got to stop. We've got to ask the right
• 1:09:46
  questions. So yeah, we're going back to the
• 1:09:49
  UFO research and the life after death concept.
• 1:09:52
  I thought people would think I was mad, but I don't Care now
• 1:09:55
  because I'm in after the truth. Well, it's been out of this
• 1:09:59
  world, shall I say, and out of this world experience having you
• 1:10:04
  on. It's definitely stretched my
• 1:10:07
  mind in directions I didn't know possible, but it's been
• 1:10:10
  fascinating having you on. Thank you very much.
• 1:10:12
  I wish. You all the very best with all
• 1:10:14
  of the future research that you I'm sure you're going to be
• 1:10:16
  doing. Thank you very much.
• 1:10:18
  Thank you. I.
• 1:10:19
  Look forward to seeing what you find.
• 1:10:20
  Thank you, and thank you for coming on, and it's been an
• 1:10:24
  honor to be on the show with you.
• 1:10:25
  Alexandra, thank you very much indeed.
• 1:10:27
  Thank you.