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Credlin | 22 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandlin live on Skyings Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: He's what's coming up on credline. For all the talk
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Speaker 2: from Jim Chalmers and his budget is inflation busting.
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Speaker 3: It appears that the experts.
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Speaker 2: Disagree, one bank even going as far as to put
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Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty odds on for a recession this
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Speaker 2: year Morcaton II from the Reserve Bank over inflation that
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Speaker 2: keeps a rate hike on the table less than a
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Speaker 2: week until there's an international vote on a new pandemic
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Speaker 2: treaty to hand the World Health Organization great powers that
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Speaker 2: could impact Australia's sovereignty. Senator Alex Antik on the show
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Speaker 2: tonight to explain why you need to understand exactly what's
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Speaker 2: in this proposed treaty plus a Prime Minister again in
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Speaker 2: the spotlight is failure to reject the International Criminal Courts
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Speaker 2: moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas as Peter Darton says,
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Speaker 2: he would can consider withdrawing Australia from the ICC if
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Speaker 2: elected special seats in the Parliament for Indigenous MPs only
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Speaker 2: and billions of dollars in reparations. A Victorian Labor minister
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Speaker 2: will she's let the cat out of the bag as
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Speaker 2: to what's on the table in the state's treaty negotiations.
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Speaker 2: And more proof that Andrew giles soft touch to immigration
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Speaker 2: detention is putting Australians at risk with a ministerial directive
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Speaker 2: central to the release of a detainee now accused of murder. Now,
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Speaker 2: at what point does the Prime Minister put the interest
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Speaker 2: of our safety first and sack is mate for repeated incompetence.
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Speaker 4: What we're seeing is the Minister not taking the necessary.
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Speaker 5: Action that he should be taking to keep the Australian
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Speaker 5: community safe.
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Speaker 3: We will stay with that story.
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Speaker 2: More evidence today are poor judgment and incompetence from Immigration
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Speaker 2: Minister Andrew Giles. This is the minister who should have
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Speaker 2: anti anticipated the impending High Court judgment releasing a foreign
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Speaker 2: criminal into the community, but he did not, and then
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Speaker 2: he released some one hundred and fifty of them, not
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Speaker 2: just the one that the court demanded, including murderers, rapists
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Speaker 2: and child sex offenders. And as subsequently now it seems
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Speaker 2: not once used the legislation he demanded the Parliament pass
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Speaker 2: in a rush last year to seek preventive detention orders
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Speaker 2: to lock some of these people up again. Today, it's
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Speaker 2: reported a directive from this minister caused a tribunal to
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Speaker 2: release from detention a particular foreign criminal who then allegedly.
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Speaker 3: Murdered a man on Mother's Day.
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Speaker 2: The Sudanese born man who's just been charged with a
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Speaker 2: stabbing murder had a long criminal history of more than
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Speaker 2: forty offenses, including actual bodily harm against his partner. He
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Speaker 2: had also been convicted of threatening to kill, possessing a knife,
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Speaker 2: and running down with a car. In canceling a ministerial
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Speaker 2: order revoking his visa and thus releasing him into the community,
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Speaker 2: the Administry Appeals Tribunals cited a directive from Minister Giles
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Speaker 2: that foreigners who'd spent most of their lives here in
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Speaker 2: Australia should be given special consideration. The Minister accepted, said
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Speaker 2: the tribunal quote, the considerable weight should be given to
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Speaker 2: the fact that the applicant had been ordinarily resident in
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Speaker 2: Australia since his formative years, and accepted that this primary
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Speaker 2: consideration weighs in the applicant's favor. Now, this directive, known
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Speaker 2: as Direction ninety nine from Minister Giles was prompted by
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Speaker 2: a recent visit from the New Zealand Prime Minister and
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Speaker 2: complaints from them about Australia's practice under Peter Dutton of
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Speaker 2: deporting back to New Zealand kiwis who committed serious crimes.
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Speaker 3: Here, not only did Giles.
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Speaker 2: Issue the direction that the tribunal used to free this
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Speaker 2: alleged murderer, but he failed then to overturn the tribunal's decision,
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Speaker 2: which he reportedly had the power to do had he
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Speaker 2: had the guts to do it.
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Speaker 3: A man now is dead allegedly as a result.
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Speaker 2: Now, I accept no one's perfect. Not even the best
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Speaker 2: ministers get it right all of the time. They often
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Speaker 2: can make a mistake. With this bloke, he's a repeat
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Speaker 2: offender and his mistakes, unlike a wrong number in a
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Speaker 2: budget column, have potentially caused material harm.
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Speaker 3: Right now, given all of.
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Speaker 2: His mistakes on the issue of these foreign criminals, you
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Speaker 2: think Giles in his office would be maximizing community protection
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Speaker 2: and minimizing these concessions to the refugee lobby instead, as
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Speaker 2: this direction shows community.
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Speaker 3: Safety, well, it's just not his priority.
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Speaker 2: The fact that he's still in the job, still the
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Speaker 2: Minister for Immigration This is now a reflection on the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister himself and just another sign that it's not
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Speaker 2: the Minister for Immigration alone who's out of his depth.
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Speaker 2: Look the Voice referendumn have bombed disastrously last year and.
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Speaker 3: Thank god for that.
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Speaker 2: But left activists have never let democracy interfere with their
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Speaker 2: plans to change our country. Victoria has had a so
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Speaker 2: called First People's Assembly since twenty nineteen, tasked with negotiating
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Speaker 2: a treaty between forty five thousand Victorians who identify as
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal and the Parliament representing all six million Victorians. Even
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Speaker 2: though mind you, turnout was just ten percent at last
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Speaker 2: year's election for this First People's Assembly, naturally Victorian labor
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Speaker 2: where they're pushing on.
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Speaker 3: Despite the state's.
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Speaker 2: Rejection of the separatist Ularoo Agenda, Voice Treaty and Truth
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Speaker 2: that Victorians voted down by fifty five percent to forty
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Speaker 2: five yesterday, the Victorian government so called Treaty and First
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Speaker 2: People's Minister refused to rule out anything. In an appearance
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Speaker 2: before a Parliamentary committee, the Minister, Natalie Hutchins, refused to
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Speaker 2: rule out giving compulsory acquired private property.
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Speaker 3: To indigenous groups.
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Speaker 2: She refused to rule out separate Indigenous seats in the
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Speaker 2: Victorian State Parliament. She refused to rule out billions of
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Speaker 2: dollars in reparations. You see, as far as its minister
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Speaker 2: and Victorian government is concerned, the creation of the State
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Speaker 2: of Victoria was a fundamentally unjust act, an illegitimate invasion
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Speaker 2: which now needs to be atoned for. Not the best
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Speaker 2: thing that ever happened here to all of us indigenous
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Speaker 2: early settlers and recent migrants alike, something that we should
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Speaker 2: celebrate and sure Aboriginal culture has changed more over the
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Speaker 2: past two centuries than in the previous sixty thousand years.
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Speaker 2: But as just centern amagin proprice is often said, that's
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Speaker 2: largely a good thing because it's given Aboriginal people access
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Speaker 2: to the human rights, scientific progress, and gender equality that
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Speaker 2: were previously unknown. As with the National Voice, these First
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Speaker 2: People's Assembly in Victoria will be yet another grievance manger,
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Speaker 2: playing on the guilt of generations that have done no
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Speaker 2: collective wrong to the benefit of generations that have suffered
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Speaker 2: no specific harm. The travesty here is it Victorian labor
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Speaker 2: is insisting on this treaty without the need for a
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Speaker 2: special state referendum, because it's always being presumed that if asked,
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Speaker 2: even Victorians would say no. And believe me, if Labor
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Speaker 2: gets this up in Victoria, it will soon come to
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Speaker 2: state near you. Trudy McIntosh now in camera with our headlines.
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Speaker 6: There are growing calls for Australia to consider withdrawing from
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Speaker 6: the International Criminal Court. The Opposition leader says it should
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Speaker 6: be on the table if criminal warrants for Israeli leaders proceed.
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Speaker 7: I don't rule it out, but I think the pressure
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Speaker 7: at the moment needs to be for like minor countries
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Speaker 7: that share our values to stand shoulder to shoulder.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister kept a low profile today after refusing
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Speaker 6: to back in Joe Biden's condemnation of the ICC yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
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Speaker 4: alone court processes globally.
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Speaker 6: But only minutes later breaking his own rule weighing in
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Speaker 6: on the Jueli in Assange case.
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Speaker 4: Enough is enough. There's nothing to be served by the
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Speaker 4: ongoing incarceration of mister Assange.
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Speaker 7: Our Prime Minister got wrong yesterday and the opportunity for
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Speaker 7: him is to stop digging.
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Speaker 6: The Government is under pressure to explain why a former
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Speaker 6: immigration dtee now charged with murdering Queensland, was released earlier
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Speaker 6: this year. Born in Sudan, Emmanuel Saki came to Australia
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Speaker 6: as a child. His visa was canceled in twenty nineteen
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Speaker 6: before being reinstated this March. Despite an extensive criminal record,
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Speaker 6: The Administrative Appeals tribune Or deemed he had a low
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Speaker 6: risk of offending, and he was released from detention just
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Speaker 6: weeks later. He's now facing a murder charge. The opposition
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Speaker 6: argues the Immigration Minister contributed to the man's release after
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Speaker 6: issuing a ministerial direction last year that stated time in
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Speaker 6: Australia should be factored into decisions.
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Speaker 7: This person would have stayed in the position of having
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Speaker 7: their visa canceled if the old rules had have applied.
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Speaker 6: A spokesperson for Andrew Giles says his thoughts are with
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Speaker 6: the victim's family and that the Minister is seeking urgent
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Speaker 6: advice regarding this individual. Trudy Macintosh Sky News canbra.
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Speaker 2: I might say too, Andrew Jalds in front the camera,
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Speaker 2: that is his usual take when these things happen. I
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Speaker 2: think that's an diamond. I'm him as a minister. Let's
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Speaker 2: get into the headlines now. Skye is host National affairs
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Speaker 2: editor The Daily Telegraph, James Morrow, sk senior reporter Carolyn Marcus.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to the detention issue at James, I
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Speaker 2: want to get into the budget mixed reaction. Of course,
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Speaker 2: last week we're seeing polls this week the Australians aren't
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Speaker 2: happy as some of those numbers are the highest recorded
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Speaker 2: against the budget since the polls began.
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Speaker 3: But now you've got the experts saying that things are
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Speaker 3: looking grim.
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Speaker 2: The RBA says it's increasingly difficult to tame inflation without
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Speaker 2: tipping the economy into recession.
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Speaker 3: That's a worry. The Australian Shareholders Association.
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Speaker 2: At a conference in Melbourne this week made reference to
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Speaker 2: extremely high levels of government spending, and today the Macquarie
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Speaker 2: Bank economists they are warning there's a fifty percent chance
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Speaker 2: will end up in a recession this year thanks to
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Speaker 2: the trap of high migration and high interest rates. So
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Speaker 2: despite the spin, I tell you what, James, I reckon,
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Speaker 2: there's tough times ahead, isn't there.
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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, and you know the inflation fight here becomes
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Speaker 8: all the more complicated because so much of the activity
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Speaker 8: in the economy that's creating the consumption and the demand
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Speaker 8: and the stuff that is making the RBA say, oh look,
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Speaker 8: we've got to, you know, keep an eye on those
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Speaker 8: rates because it's looking inflationary. That's artificial stuff. That's the migration.
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Speaker 8: It's not productivity, it's not because we're actually doing or
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Speaker 8: creating more as a nation. So it's all artificial. So
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Speaker 8: the RBA has to cope with that. Plus the fact
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Speaker 8: that you know, in July all of our pay packers
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Speaker 8: are going to have more money into them as a
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Speaker 8: result of those Stage three tax cuts, which again that's
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Speaker 8: going to be inflationary. If you tip it into recession,
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Speaker 8: well then the RBA may have to cut rates. But
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Speaker 8: that's not the way you want to get a rate cut,
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Speaker 8: is it. Because you've wound up mismanaging the economy and
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Speaker 8: flooding it with more money, more government spending some of
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Speaker 8: the highest on record, you know that did not come
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Speaker 8: down in the budgets, like twenty six percent of spending
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Speaker 8: now of the GDP. Now that's and of course migration.
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Speaker 8: So this is a terrible situation that the government is in.
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Speaker 8: And it's all the more reason to Peter, why I
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Speaker 8: suspect personally they're going to go sooner out of the
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Speaker 8: later on that election.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think you're right.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to that too, because there's some interesting spending
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Speaker 2: out on governor advertising that I think points to exactly
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Speaker 2: that point you're making their James, let's go to that
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Speaker 2: detainee de barcle. I ope the show with it tonight
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Speaker 2: at Caroline. And of course we've gone through the issue
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Speaker 2: with the man born in Sdar now accused of murder,
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Speaker 2: charged with murder and the weight applied by the Admin
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Speaker 2: Appeals Tribunal to a direction from Andrew Giles as minister.
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Speaker 2: We also learn a man from Burundi. He has also
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Speaker 2: walked free from court despite a string of curfew and
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Speaker 2: monitory breaches.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: I don't recom there's a day that goes by where
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Speaker 2: Andrew Giles is in the headlines.
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Speaker 3: For all the wrong reasons.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, these promises to keep us safe by the government
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Speaker 1: and the Minister just get more and more laughable with
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Speaker 1: each day that passes. There seems to be a new
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Speaker 1: story every day. As you point out, the most recent
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Speaker 1: one involving this Burundi man, well, he was fined and
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Speaker 1: slapped on the wrist by this court. He'd been convicted
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Speaker 1: on six counts of breaching his curfew and failing to
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Speaker 1: maintain his electronic monitoring device. Remember those measures that the
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Speaker 1: government said were going to keep us safe after all
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Speaker 1: those detainees were released.
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Speaker 9: Yet, well, it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Seem to mean very much even when you break those conditions.
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Speaker 1: In his case, the judge could have gave him a
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Speaker 1: one year sentence for each of those counts, which means
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Speaker 1: if they had been applied consecutively, he would have served
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Speaker 1: six years.
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Speaker 9: But instead he got a suspended.
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Speaker 1: Sentence, which means he essentially walks free and only if
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Speaker 1: he re offends yet again will he serve any jail time.
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Speaker 1: But the most scandalous part of this, Peter is that
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor for the Commonwealth did not even provide a
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Speaker 1: position on sentencing, which essentially means that they didn't oppose
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Speaker 1: any kind of suspended sentence or the fact that this
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Speaker 1: person could be released. And all of this obviously follows
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Speaker 1: the other scandal you mentioned involving the other African detainee
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Speaker 1: who'd been released and the court decided that he was
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Speaker 1: at low well, the tribunal decided he was at low
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Speaker 1: risk of reoffending and now.
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Speaker 9: He's of course been charged with murder.
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Speaker 1: And of course it also follows the case of another
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Speaker 1: detainee who has now been charged with bashing a Perth
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Speaker 1: grandmother after his release.
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Speaker 9: So it is does seem endless. And I think every
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Speaker 9: Australian has the.
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Speaker 1: Right to question whether we really are safe under this
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Speaker 1: current government.
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Speaker 2: And I say to people at home, I mean, ask
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Speaker 2: yourself with John Howard or Tony Abbott still have this
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Speaker 2: minister after twelve months plus of failure immigration to record
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Speaker 2: high number zerre would they still have him in the job? No,
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Speaker 2: they would not. So what does it say about Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanezi James? I said, I'd get into some ad campaign detail.
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Speaker 2: This is a course funded by taxpayers. One hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy million dollars. We learn that they was about to
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Speaker 2: spend on advertising. Look at this breakdown forty million.
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Speaker 3: We know that already.
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Speaker 2: That's those Stage three tax cuts ten million to make
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Speaker 2: us all aware about these new vehicle efficiency standards ten
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Speaker 2: million to Sprook net zero forty five million to Sprook,
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Speaker 2: the government's future Made in Australia push. And this is
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Speaker 2: how I look at it. You know, we're all going
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Speaker 2: to get these tax cuts. You don't have to apply
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Speaker 2: for them, so why do we need to advertise them.
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Speaker 2: This net zero money, Well, that's for something that's fifteen
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Speaker 2: years away, so why advertise it now? This, to me, James,
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Speaker 2: is political advertising, absolutely blatant political advertising.
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Speaker 3: And I tell you what it's about.
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Speaker 2: Labor's getting eaten alive by the Greens thirty percent, they're up,
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Speaker 2: but they're on newspoll on Monday. That says to me
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Speaker 2: they're using the taxpayers money to sprook this Green agenda
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Speaker 2: and claw back some of that vote that's slipping off
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Speaker 2: further to the left.
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Speaker 3: That's what this is about.
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Speaker 8: Oh, it's absolutely about that, Peter. And I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 8: It's just wild here in Sydney. When I'm driving to
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Speaker 8: work in the morning, you know the radio is on
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Speaker 8: and every other add it feels like sometimes is you
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Speaker 8: know we've got a task coming for every Australian, or
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Speaker 8: you know we've got new efficiency standards to give you
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Speaker 8: more choice and save you money. Now, these are all
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Speaker 8: the spin things, especially on the on the on the
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Speaker 8: car efficiency issue, just that the government wants to get
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Speaker 8: out there. But this is completely campaign advertising. Again, this
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Speaker 8: is all setting us up again, not only to fight
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Speaker 8: that left flank those Greens, as you very directly put it, Peter,
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Speaker 8: but also you know, getting everybody ready softened up, trying
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Speaker 8: to make them feel good about a this government and
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Speaker 8: be their status because you know, at the moment people
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Speaker 8: don't feel particularly great about where they are. I think
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Speaker 8: in Australia just generally, there's a lot of upset in
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Speaker 8: the community, and this is all pushing that messaging, I
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Speaker 8: think very much Uphill. It's very cynical. And just for
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Speaker 8: the record, I reported, you know, months ago that Treasury
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Speaker 8: was advertising ramping up you know, millions of dollars worth
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Speaker 8: of new positions internally and externally to get the sales
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Speaker 8: campaign moving on the stage street tax cuts. And at
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Speaker 8: the time I said, why do you need an ad campaign?
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Speaker 8: Everybody gets the taxes. They had no answer.
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Speaker 3: Correct, correct, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: I know we've been running a lot about these university protests,
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Speaker 2: but you've got a I want to say it's bad taste,
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Speaker 2: but it's worse than that. A story about a Hummas
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Speaker 2: themed birthday party.
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Speaker 3: It's gone online. What can you tell us.
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Speaker 1: We know children's parties these days, they're getting more and
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Speaker 1: more over the top. Myself, I'm not immune to that.
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Speaker 1: As a mum, I've been known to go a little overboard,
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Speaker 1: but this latest party really takes the cake.
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Speaker 9: Excuse the pun. Look, I've got footage that we've.
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Speaker 1: Been airing online today of this mask themed birthday cake.
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Speaker 1: You can see the black and white pattern of the
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Speaker 1: Palestinian cafa.
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Speaker 9: They're the Palestinian.
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Speaker 1: Flag and images of a ham maaskd terrorist on them
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Speaker 1: and the child himself that this was made for. A
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Speaker 1: four year old is dressed as a Hamas terrorist at
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Speaker 1: his own party in camouflage and wearing this red and
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Speaker 1: white kafa over his face.
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Speaker 9: It's really quite sick.
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Speaker 1: And the Western Sydney bakery who made this cake were
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Speaker 1: gloating about it until they received some BackFlash online. They
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Speaker 1: took their account now down now, but Jewish groups are
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Speaker 1: absolutely outraged by it. They say that it's a worrying
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Speaker 1: sign that the indoctrination that we know has been happening
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Speaker 1: of children.
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Speaker 9: Overseas, grooming them to be terrorists.
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Speaker 1: We see that happening in the Palaestin in terrorists that
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Speaker 1: now we're now seeing evidence of that happening here. And
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that The matter has now been
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Speaker 1: referred to Federal Police who are reviewing it to see
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Speaker 1: whether any laws have been broken. But certainly really disturbing
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Speaker 1: details to come out.
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Speaker 2: And you want to wonder where radicalized young people, radicalized
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Speaker 2: teenagers come from.
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Speaker 3: If you've got a four.
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Speaker 2: Year old dressed as a terrorist slash suicide bumma whatever
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Speaker 2: that is there on a Hermas.
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Speaker 3: Birthday cake, it's shocking.
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Speaker 2: Thank you Caroline, Thank you James all Right after his
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Speaker 2: week comments yesterday, it failed to refute any moral equivalents
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Speaker 2: between the International Criminal Court's decision to seek to arrest
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Speaker 2: his Raley Prime Minister on one side, alongside, of course,
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Speaker 2: that Hermas terror leadership on the other side. Our Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister today hid it from the media. But not hiding
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Speaker 2: was Peter Dutton, who said with drawing from the court
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Speaker 2: should be something Australia ought to consider. As to the
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Speaker 2: man who supported Australia joining up in the first place,
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Speaker 2: former Foreign Minister Alexander.
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Speaker 10: Downer, this is an outrageous decision. I think if the
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Speaker 10: four or five judges decide to proceed with the prosecutor's recommendation,
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Speaker 10: it will be the dea of the International Criminal Court
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Speaker 10: and countries like Australia should just withdraw from it all together.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, I have to say, as I've written for
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Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper tomorrow, this issue is the final straw
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Speaker 2: for me. Anthony Albaneze is simply not up to being
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Speaker 2: a national leader if it cannot take a position on
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Speaker 2: a moral issue as fundamental as this. For his comment,
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Foreign editor for The Australian, Greg Sheridan.
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Speaker 2: What we saw strength from Joe Biden. I don't normally
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Speaker 2: use Joe Biden and the adjective strength in the one sentence,
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Speaker 2: but he was very, very strong. Yesterday there was a
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Speaker 2: statements from the Brits, the Germans, Italians, the austra Checks,
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Speaker 2: a whole lot, Greg. They all condemned the court's move
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Speaker 2: and our Prime minister, though wants to sit on the fence.
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Speaker 2: As I said in my column tomorrow, this is the
21:10
Speaker 2: Emperor's got no clothes for me. It's that moment for
21:13
Speaker 2: me from here on in as far as I'm concerned.
21:17
Speaker 11: Yeah, Peter, great to be with you. If you can
21:19
Speaker 11: indulge me on just take one second to pay a
21:22
Speaker 11: tribute to Nova Paris. There's no upside in this for her.
21:26
Speaker 11: But she's come out with decency, with common sense, with logic.
21:31
Speaker 11: I mean there's leadership in the Labor Party from Nova Paris,
21:35
Speaker 11: but not from any of the current folks in Parliament.
21:39
Speaker 11: And one thing she said today, why can't we have
21:41
Speaker 11: protests on the streets saying free the hostages and then
21:44
Speaker 11: the war? And you know that's an unanswerable question. Look,
21:48
Speaker 11: I think this is Albanese's worst moment as a prime minister.
21:52
Speaker 11: I got to tell you, I really like Albo as
21:55
Speaker 11: a person. You know, fellow Christian brothers, old boy rugby
21:58
Speaker 11: league fanatic. I mean, you've got a lot of money
22:00
Speaker 11: in the bank with me. But I think this is
22:05
Speaker 11: just pathetic, just pathetic. The idea that you can't make
22:08
Speaker 11: a comment on an international criminal court case is absurd.
22:12
Speaker 11: We've often done it in the past, all of our
22:14
Speaker 11: allied governments are doing it. It's utterly pathetic to say
22:18
Speaker 11: you can't. Now, he ought to have the courage of
22:21
Speaker 11: his convictions if he believes outrageously that a fellow ally,
22:26
Speaker 11: a fellow democracy, should be charged before the international criminal
22:30
Speaker 11: court for the crime of defending itself and a country
22:35
Speaker 11: which has excellent independent legal procedures which will investigate any
22:40
Speaker 11: potential missteps or bad actions by any of its own players.
22:44
Speaker 11: So the International Criminal Court shouldn't be anywhere near it,
22:47
Speaker 11: and it has no jurisdiction anyway, there's no member state. Now,
22:50
Speaker 11: if he believes, in the face of all that that
22:52
Speaker 11: these warrants against the Israeli Prime minister should be issued,
22:55
Speaker 11: well he ought to have the guts to say so,
22:58
Speaker 11: And then we'll digest that horrible new element in our politics.
23:02
Speaker 11: And if he believes, like Joe Biden and Rishi Sunac
23:05
Speaker 11: and Justin Trudeau and all of our traditional allies and
23:09
Speaker 11: all of our own traditional positions, that this is at
23:14
Speaker 11: least a grotesque overreach by the International Criminal Court, and
23:18
Speaker 11: possibly something much more sinister than he ought to have
23:21
Speaker 11: the guts to say that, and for once in his
23:23
Speaker 11: life stand up to the Greens and the Islamists who
23:28
Speaker 11: are making his life miserable as leader of the Labor Party.
23:32
Speaker 11: But the one thing he should not do is hide
23:35
Speaker 11: in a coward's castle behind a completely fraudulent and manufactured
23:40
Speaker 11: convention that you're not allowed to comment on the International
23:43
Speaker 11: Criminal Court, which frankly is such a silly proposition. I'm
23:48
Speaker 11: astonished that he's just not too embarrassed to put it
23:51
Speaker 11: out there in public.
23:54
Speaker 2: Well, we have plenty of comments about Juliannassange. We speak
23:58
Speaker 2: out against a World tradeganization cases, we talk about cases
24:02
Speaker 2: in International Forum about the environment. We're always out there
24:07
Speaker 2: litigating international law and international institutions. You make a point
24:12
Speaker 2: in your column today that this is a lot about
24:16
Speaker 2: the toxic, obsessive anti Israel culture of the UN. You
24:21
Speaker 2: look at that Younger vote, the UN General Assembly vote
24:24
Speaker 2: last week. This is basically up ending greg the settled
24:27
Speaker 2: international law. It gives a nation state that right to defense.
24:32
Speaker 2: Then that's the takeout for me, that this is upending
24:35
Speaker 2: international law.
24:38
Speaker 11: Yeah, you're right, Peter. So I opposed our signing the
24:42
Speaker 11: Realm Statute when we did, because I could see that
24:45
Speaker 11: it was going to be captured by the international UN
24:48
Speaker 11: bureaucracy and used only against nations like us. They come
24:53
Speaker 11: for Israel today, they come for us tomorrow on some
24:55
Speaker 11: trumped up nonsensical charge. And you know, Downer, I really
25:00
Speaker 11: admire Alexander Downer, but I mean he's right to be
25:04
Speaker 11: ashamed of the fact that he championed signing this thing.
25:08
Speaker 11: Now in the past, we have been able to reform
25:12
Speaker 11: really egregious and terrible excesses of the United Nations system. Now,
25:17
Speaker 11: this court is not technically part of the UN system,
25:20
Speaker 11: but it is in effect. It's governed by agreements with
25:22
Speaker 11: the UN and so on. We can't do it on
25:25
Speaker 11: our own. You know, if a government decided to walk
25:27
Speaker 11: away from the ICC, they certainly would get support from me.
25:31
Speaker 11: But I'm not suggesting we do it on our own,
25:35
Speaker 11: but with like minded nations. Now, the judges may refuse
25:39
Speaker 11: these warrants if there is sufficient political opposition. So here
25:42
Speaker 11: is another reason that Albanese's cowardice is so egregious, because
25:48
Speaker 11: the Americans have said they might subject ICC personnel who
25:54
Speaker 11: do this to sanctions. And if the judges in the
25:58
Speaker 11: ICC have one wit of common sense, they will deny
26:01
Speaker 11: these warrants and the ic C will survive.
26:05
Speaker 3: But if you're going to get.
26:07
Speaker 11: A campaign to reform the ICC, or indeed to abolish it,
26:10
Speaker 11: which I think would be perfectly sensible, you're going to
26:13
Speaker 11: need a whole swag of like minded countries to answer together.
26:18
Speaker 11: It would have to be under the leadership of the
26:20
Speaker 11: United States. I'm generally not an admirer of Joe Biden's presidency.
26:24
Speaker 11: But on this, you know he's as good as Ronald Reagan.
26:28
Speaker 11: I couldn't fault Biden for this, you know, who's done
26:32
Speaker 11: very well. Was right to support him.
26:37
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Thank you, Greg, Thank you very much.
26:41
Speaker 2: Get to the Australian tomorrow. I t I do not
26:43
Speaker 2: miss and I'm mean when I say that is the
26:45
Speaker 2: turning point for me. Albanesium and I was never going
26:48
Speaker 2: to vote Labor, of course I wasn't, but I respected
26:51
Speaker 2: him in the office of Prime minister.
26:53
Speaker 3: He has lost my respect.
26:55
Speaker 2: No prime minister hides under the desk like that, sits
26:58
Speaker 2: on the fence like that. Shame on you, Prime minister.
27:02
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, another diabolical un move that
27:05
Speaker 2: we all need to understand before it's too late. This
27:08
Speaker 2: is a proposed pandemic treaty alex Antik after the break
27:12
Speaker 2: class more on Andrew Giles. He's got a history of
27:15
Speaker 2: going soft on detainees.
27:17
Speaker 3: We'll get to that.
27:18
Speaker 2: And those treaty negotiations in Victoria where only Indigenous members
27:24
Speaker 2: can run for particular seats in the Parliament that's up
27:28
Speaker 2: for grabs.
27:33
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
27:34
Speaker 2: We can't send those foreign criminals back to the home country,
27:37
Speaker 2: says the minister, and it would appear we like the
27:40
Speaker 2: backbone to lock them up as well. Just how risk
27:43
Speaker 2: the community is from a labor government that cares more
27:46
Speaker 2: about striking a pose and keeping you saved, James Patterson.
27:50
Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a moment, but first I
27:52
Speaker 2: want to turn to something I touched on several weeks
27:54
Speaker 2: ago and it's now reaching a crucial point. That's the
27:58
Speaker 2: World Health Organizations Andemic Treaty. Australia along with one hundred
28:03
Speaker 2: and ninety four member states, set to take part in
28:06
Speaker 2: the World Health Assembly, which kicks off from the twenty
28:10
Speaker 2: seventh of May, so that's Monday Monday. At the meeting,
28:13
Speaker 2: there will be a vote on two contentious yet widely misunderreported,
28:19
Speaker 2: underreported measures. They are amendments to the International Health Regulations
28:24
Speaker 2: and this proposed Pandemic Treaty. The ilready is that we
28:28
Speaker 2: can't get a serious Royal commission in this country into
28:32
Speaker 2: all those draconian COVID measures undertaken by our government, state
28:36
Speaker 2: and federal, But they're willing to sign us up to
28:39
Speaker 2: a new set of rules draught up by a group
28:42
Speaker 2: of international bureaucrats. I can't believe that. Joining me how
28:47
Speaker 2: to discuss the detail. One of the few politicians who
28:50
Speaker 2: sounded the alarm Liberal Senate of South Australia, Alex Antik.
28:54
Speaker 3: Alex.
28:55
Speaker 2: I've mentioned how underreported this is. It's not underreported. If
28:59
Speaker 2: we're look at your speeches in the Parliament, the media.
29:03
Speaker 3: You have done.
29:03
Speaker 2: You have been indefatigable. You've managed to bring together a
29:07
Speaker 2: group of around fourteen cross party parliamentarians. You're trying to
29:11
Speaker 2: get the government not to sign us up to this treaty.
29:16
Speaker 2: Update us on that, but give us a sense of
29:18
Speaker 2: what your biggest concerns are here.
29:22
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, thanks Peter, and look, thank you for raising
29:24
Speaker 12: the alarm in the orbit of the mainstream media as well,
29:26
Speaker 12: because you're absolutely right, this has been entirely underreported. You know,
29:30
Speaker 12: it seems the domestic mainstream media are fascinated by matters
29:33
Speaker 12: of relative trivia while the big show is playing out
29:36
Speaker 12: above us at global level. So that is a very
29:39
Speaker 12: important thing, and I've been trying to do the same thing.
29:42
Speaker 12: It's a critical moment because what we're seeing now is
29:45
Speaker 12: effectively a globalist health power grab. I've been calling it
29:49
Speaker 12: a whodatar And that is really what we are looking
29:51
Speaker 12: at here. This is the World Health Organization, which is
29:55
Speaker 12: a UN body under the guise of the World Health Assembly.
29:58
Speaker 12: Australia is one of those ninety four member states that
30:01
Speaker 12: is proposing a brand new pandemic treaty. It's been called
30:04
Speaker 12: number of things, but that's the general name. And three
30:06
Speaker 12: hundred amendments to the International Health Regulations, which are in short,
30:10
Speaker 12: and they are very complicated documents, but in short, would
30:12
Speaker 12: give the Director General of the World Health Organization the
30:16
Speaker 12: ability to unilaterally declare an emergency, so a pandemic emergency,
30:20
Speaker 12: and fast track pandemic related products. And we know how
30:23
Speaker 12: that worked out last time. So this is and that
30:26
Speaker 12: is the very tip of the iceberg. I must say,
30:28
Speaker 12: this is a very very significant moment. Australia will ultimately
30:31
Speaker 12: have legal obligations at international law if this is to
30:34
Speaker 12: be ratified. But also there's a significant issue with respect
30:38
Speaker 12: to domestic law. When I was in Centered Estimates eighteen
30:41
Speaker 12: months two years ago, I asked the Chief Medical Officer,
30:44
Speaker 12: Paul Kelly, why it was that Australians were being stopped
30:46
Speaker 12: from going overseas without two COVID injections, and the answer
30:50
Speaker 12: was the Biosecurity Act was amended in order to line
30:54
Speaker 12: us up with our obligations under the then International Health Regulations,
30:57
Speaker 12: the two thousand and five versions. And so you can
31:00
Speaker 12: see how if this is ultimately ratified, there's no real
31:03
Speaker 12: limit to the obligations that will be put on the
31:05
Speaker 12: Australian Parliament to legislate to keep their obligations alive under
31:11
Speaker 12: that International Health instrument. So this is a very very
31:13
Speaker 12: significant moment. It needs to be more dealt with, and
31:17
Speaker 12: there need to be more politicians who across and I'm
31:19
Speaker 12: very thankful to the fourteen who supported that letter to
31:21
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister.
31:22
Speaker 2: Though we can see from the International Criminal Court example,
31:27
Speaker 2: and I remember that debate well in the Howard era.
31:30
Speaker 2: I was there and there were plenty inside the Howard
31:32
Speaker 2: cabinet who did not want to sign Australia up to it.
31:37
Speaker 2: Trusts it'll be fine. It will never have an impact
31:40
Speaker 2: on a democratic state.
31:41
Speaker 3: That's what they tell you.
31:42
Speaker 2: And of course now we are fifteen years on and
31:45
Speaker 2: you can see what's happening here with Israel.
31:47
Speaker 3: What I think people need.
31:48
Speaker 2: To understand with the process here, Alex is that these
31:53
Speaker 2: pandemic laws have been drafted by international bureaucrats, all captured
31:58
Speaker 2: by the Left, and we will send along to this
32:01
Speaker 2: Assembly starting Monday, a whole lot.
32:04
Speaker 3: Of our own bureaucrats.
32:06
Speaker 2: They will get this to the point that it will
32:09
Speaker 2: be signed by Australia and it won't come into force
32:13
Speaker 2: until it gets rubber stamped through the treaty's committee. There
32:16
Speaker 2: will be no debate in the Australian Parliament. But we
32:18
Speaker 2: know questions asked to the Australian electorate, do you want
32:22
Speaker 2: to give away your sovereignty like this? People need to
32:25
Speaker 2: understand and life the United States, where the treaty has
32:29
Speaker 2: to have a lot more political input. In Australia, we
32:33
Speaker 2: sign off on these things far too readily.
32:38
Speaker 12: It's exactly right, Peter. And of course what will happen
32:40
Speaker 12: if it's ratified and those negotiations are underway. It will
32:43
Speaker 12: start next Monday, the actual voting period for the World
32:46
Speaker 12: Health Assembly. But what will happen is it will have
32:48
Speaker 12: to come through that treaty, a treaty Committee which is
32:51
Speaker 12: dominated by the Left. It'll then come to both houses
32:55
Speaker 12: of Parliament. Of course, that's the excuse it's always used.
32:57
Speaker 12: We're not giving away our sovereignty, the Australian Parliament sovereign.
33:00
Speaker 12: But as you quite rightly pointed out in your article,
33:03
Speaker 12: those are rubber stamp jobs. These international treaties are always
33:06
Speaker 12: passed by the Parliament and then it will become law.
33:09
Speaker 12: And this is what we talk about when these pandemics
33:11
Speaker 12: or other emergencies happen. We talk about this turn key society.
33:14
Speaker 12: People turn around and say, I don't remember ever asking
33:17
Speaker 12: for mandates or for surveillance or whatever the issue is,
33:22
Speaker 12: and before you know what, those powers have been bricked in. Well,
33:24
Speaker 12: this is what's happening. This is what will happen. In
33:26
Speaker 12: the next occasion there is a pandemic or a global
33:29
Speaker 12: health crisis, we will find that we have afforded the
33:33
Speaker 12: international health bureaucrats the luxury of telling us what to
33:36
Speaker 12: do when local doctors get silenced and criticized. And that's
33:40
Speaker 12: what we saw with the upper regulations in the last
33:43
Speaker 12: period as well. So of course when we ask these
33:46
Speaker 12: questions in Parliament, you know, throughing state estimates, we're told
33:50
Speaker 12: by health bureaucrats it's all fine. Of course they'd say
33:53
Speaker 12: that because they're dealing with giving powers away to global
33:57
Speaker 12: health bureaucrats rather than local health bureaucrats. I mean, Australians
34:00
Speaker 12: do not want this. I can assure you this has
34:02
Speaker 12: been a real sleeper issue that people are telling me
34:04
Speaker 12: in numbers I haven't seen for a long time. They
34:06
Speaker 12: are very worried about this. Prime Minister needs to pull out.
34:12
Speaker 2: Keep the pressure up, please, Alexander, keep the pressure up.
34:14
Speaker 2: It's incredibly important.
34:15
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time.
34:17
Speaker 2: I have to say, having lived through the Daniel Andrews
34:19
Speaker 2: experiment in Victoria, all those lockdowns for the two and
34:22
Speaker 2: a half years, that makes this treaty would make Andrews
34:26
Speaker 2: seem like an absolute teddy bear.
34:29
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to that issue again.
34:32
Speaker 2: Impacting Immigration Minister Andrew Giles joining me now the Shadow
34:36
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister. By god, we wish he was in
34:38
Speaker 2: the job. James Patterson, Senator, thank you for your time.
34:42
Speaker 2: I think we've done a good job tonight explaining how
34:44
Speaker 2: the minister's direction plays into this. But surely, now we've
34:48
Speaker 2: seen the aat the tribunal basically use it as a
34:53
Speaker 2: fig leaf to allow an individual out of detention, that
34:56
Speaker 2: an individual allegedly has murdered another person, Surely the Minister's
35:01
Speaker 2: now got to revoke this direction immediately.
35:05
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, it never should have been issued in the
35:07
Speaker 13: first place. And if the Minister believes, as he is
35:10
Speaker 13: now saying this afternoon, that the AAT has misinterpreted and
35:13
Speaker 13: there for made a decision that was wrong in law,
35:16
Speaker 13: why didn't he appeal the decision of the AAT two
35:18
Speaker 13: months ago when it was made. And why didn't he
35:21
Speaker 13: use his discretion as minister to cancel this person's visa
35:24
Speaker 13: again and put them back into immigration detention and then
35:27
Speaker 13: force them to take the matter to the courts in
35:29
Speaker 13: order to get themselves freed. There is no way for
35:31
Speaker 13: Andrew Giles to escape the responsibility here. He issued this direction.
35:35
Speaker 13: The effect of this direction has been put into practice
35:37
Speaker 13: by the AAT. A person has been freed, and they've
35:40
Speaker 13: now allegedly murdered another person as they threatened to do,
35:43
Speaker 13: and they should never have better the community to do that.
35:45
Speaker 13: So there's no way for Andrew Giles to hide him.
35:50
Speaker 2: While he is hiding as in front of the media
35:51
Speaker 2: who's not taking questions. This is his motors operone.
35:56
Speaker 13: That's exactly right, Peter. Whenever the going gets tough, Andrew
35:59
Speaker 13: Giles the Minister of Home Affairs Clara O'Neil, she disappears
36:03
Speaker 13: and the Prime Minister tries to brush it off, will
36:05
Speaker 13: focus on other things and has misdirections. Really, responsibility has
36:08
Speaker 13: to be taken here because before this minister issued this direction,
36:12
Speaker 13: it was not a requirement for decision makers to consider
36:15
Speaker 13: the ties to a country before they made their decision.
36:17
Speaker 13: And in that direction he specifically says considerable weight should
36:21
Speaker 13: be given to the fact that a non citizen has
36:23
Speaker 13: been ordinarily resident in Australia during and since their formative years,
36:27
Speaker 13: regardless of when they're offending commenced and the level of
36:30
Speaker 13: that offending. What that means, Peter, is, no matter how
36:33
Speaker 13: serious the crimes they commit, a non citizen shouldn't be
36:36
Speaker 13: deported from our country as long as they've been here
36:38
Speaker 13: since a kid. Now, this is designed to appease New
36:40
Speaker 13: Zealand who've been complaining about this, but actually it applies
36:43
Speaker 13: to every person from every country who's here as a
36:46
Speaker 13: non citizen.
36:49
Speaker 3: James.
36:50
Speaker 2: My legal reading of that though, the direction is it
36:52
Speaker 2: creates almost like a quasi Australian status. You know, if
36:58
Speaker 2: you are here a long time, though you are not
37:00
Speaker 2: Australian you're not a permanent resident. You might be here
37:04
Speaker 2: someone who was applying to be a refugee and rejected.
37:08
Speaker 2: You've got to put them in this sort of this
37:10
Speaker 2: different category that just by dent of time in Australia
37:14
Speaker 2: they get some of the rights of Australians. Now that's
37:16
Speaker 2: not law, that's not in the Migration Act. If they're
37:20
Speaker 2: not Australians, they're not Australians.
37:23
Speaker 13: I agree with you, Peter. It's got this bizarre situation
37:25
Speaker 13: now where we have Australian citizens who clearly can never
37:28
Speaker 13: be deported, people who are not citizens who come here
37:30
Speaker 13: recently who can be deported, and people in the middle
37:33
Speaker 13: who are not citizens, but they've been here for a while,
37:35
Speaker 13: so we're going to go a bit lenient on them.
37:36
Speaker 13: I mean, there was no need to issue this direction.
37:39
Speaker 13: It can be repealed tomorrow if this government thinks that
37:42
Speaker 13: it's posed to to the community, as it clearly has
37:44
Speaker 13: and it should be. There is just no excuse if
37:47
Speaker 13: you commit a crime. I don't care how old you
37:49
Speaker 13: were when you came to this country. If you commit
37:51
Speaker 13: a crime, you're a non citizen. You violated the agreement
37:54
Speaker 13: that you implicitly entered into when you came to our
37:56
Speaker 13: country by violating our laws and our values, and you
37:59
Speaker 13: should be kicked out. And I guarantee you under a
38:01
Speaker 13: Dutton government with Miasime Affairs Minister and with Danteen as
38:04
Speaker 13: Immigration Minister, that's exactly what will happen.
38:09
Speaker 3: Just really quickly.
38:10
Speaker 2: The guy from Burundi who he's broken curfew fronts the
38:12
Speaker 2: tribune or a magistrate in this case, and the magistrate
38:15
Speaker 2: makes a point where a he lets him off. There's
38:17
Speaker 2: no incarceration that comes as a result, but he makes
38:20
Speaker 2: the point that the Commonwealth yet again, the Commonwealth prosecutors
38:24
Speaker 2: offered no particular position on sentencing. Now, the last time
38:29
Speaker 2: this happened there was a horrible consequence. The government said
38:33
Speaker 2: that they would lift their gain, that they would give
38:34
Speaker 2: instructions to their lawyers.
38:36
Speaker 3: Again this has happened.
38:39
Speaker 13: That's right, Peter. And the Attorney General has an opportunity here.
38:42
Speaker 13: The Attorney General can issue a direction to prosecutors as
38:46
Speaker 13: to the approach he would like them to take in
38:48
Speaker 13: cases like these, and he could direct them to, for example,
38:51
Speaker 13: take the position that we shouldn't support bail, that we
38:53
Speaker 13: should always oppose bail in cases like these. Now the
38:56
Speaker 13: General General hasn't done so, the Prime Minister hasn't directed
38:59
Speaker 13: him do so. So Again, this government must take responsibility
39:03
Speaker 13: for the decisions of the courts. There will be people
39:05
Speaker 13: free in the community who should never have been in
39:07
Speaker 13: the community, who may now reoffend in the community, and
39:10
Speaker 13: that is on this government.
39:13
Speaker 3: I swear to God.
39:13
Speaker 2: If you can't do the job, resign. This is what
39:16
Speaker 2: I'd say to ministers. If you can't do the job, resign,
39:18
Speaker 2: go and get to another portfolio, or perhaps leave the
39:21
Speaker 2: parliament altogether.
39:22
Speaker 3: James, thank you. Gosh, it makes me angry.
39:25
Speaker 2: After the break special seats in the Parliament for Indigenous
39:27
Speaker 2: MPs only and billions of dollars in reparations Victorian Minister,
39:31
Speaker 2: which she's let the cat out of the bag. Plus
39:34
Speaker 2: just how reliable is that CSIIRO report. Everyone's jumping on
39:37
Speaker 2: it today about the coalition's nuclear plans.
39:47
Speaker 3: I'll go back, it's Wednesday. Still become the cause, kel Richards.
39:50
Speaker 2: Let's get into things with my panel, Shadow Environment Minister
39:52
Speaker 2: Jonathan Dunham and senior fellow at the Mensies Research Center
39:56
Speaker 2: and a bit of a wondering energy expert nicator coming
40:00
Speaker 2: to us again from overseas.
40:01
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. I'll start if.
40:03
Speaker 2: I can in Victoria, where the Allan government has refused
40:07
Speaker 2: to rule out reparations and Indigenous only seats in the
40:11
Speaker 2: parliament in the middle of these treaty negotiations. We saw
40:15
Speaker 2: that with the Minister on Tuesday, Natalie Hutchins, telling a
40:20
Speaker 2: hearing about the treaty process that absolutely everything is on
40:24
Speaker 2: the table. She also refused to answer questions and.
40:27
Speaker 3: Whether the private land could be acquired.
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Speaker 2: By the government and handed over to indigenous groups. Tom
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Speaker 2: Elliott was asking Auntie Jill Gallagher, the former inaugural Treaty
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Speaker 2: Advancement Commissioner, about all of this on three aw this morning.
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Speaker 14: I think reparations should be on the table and it
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Speaker 14: might not be in the way of money form, it
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Speaker 14: might be in the way of empowerment, might be in
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Speaker 14: the way of land, but definitely not private land. Tom,
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Speaker 14: you know, I mean, no one is going to lose
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Speaker 14: their private land.
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Speaker 2: And Nick, what I perhaps say the most angry about
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Speaker 2: is the option of seats in the Parliament being reserved
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Speaker 2: for people based on race. They call this apartheid in
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Speaker 2: other countries, but the left here want to pretend it's
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Speaker 2: some sort of reconciliation or progress. I mean, this is appalling.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the first thing I'd say is I
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Speaker 5: thought that the Allen government was very driven by the Poles.
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Speaker 5: We had a very reliable poll on this last year
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Speaker 5: on October the fourteenth. We all know what the result
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Speaker 5: of that was, sixty forty. So you know, they should
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Speaker 5: listen to what people were saying. And people were not
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Speaker 5: speaking about just a narrow, particular constitutional change. They were
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Speaker 5: talking about the whole idea that we should treat some
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Speaker 5: Australian citizens differently on the basis of race or ancestry.
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Speaker 5: That's just not part of the Australian way. So I
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Speaker 5: think most Australians, vast majority of Australians, I'm very confident,
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Speaker 5: will be as appalled as you and I are with
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Speaker 5: the idea of reparations from who to whom and Whyfinitely
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Speaker 5: I'm with you on this, Peter. I think the idea
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Speaker 5: we should set aside seats in Parliament based on race.
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Speaker 5: You know, this is something that I used to report
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Speaker 5: on thirty years ago from Malaysia and we thought it
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Speaker 5: was appalling. It's not part of the Australian way and
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Speaker 5: it should be off the table, and the sooner so
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Speaker 5: the sooner Alan Premier Allan puts his off the agenda,
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Speaker 5: the better it'll be.
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Speaker 2: And it has to be killed off in Victoria, because
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Speaker 2: I mean this what happens in Victoria, it's like a
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Speaker 2: cancer in other labor states in it will go right
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Speaker 2: around the country and it'll be basically the voice by
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Speaker 2: steal for will be treated by stealth and then it'll
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Speaker 2: push its way back into Canberra. The Republican movement suffered
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Speaker 2: a pretty big blow today the co chair and Nover Paris.
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Speaker 2: She resigned and this is due to comments made by
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Speaker 2: the other co chair, Craig Foster on Israel. This is extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: I can't say I'm not unhappy. I have no truck
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Speaker 2: with it publican cause, Senator Daniam but Nova Paris scripture
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Speaker 2: and made the comment before very brave for this move.
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Speaker 3: I have to say I also commend her.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm with you in commending Nova Paris for what
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Speaker 15: she's done.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 15: I consider her to be a very thought through individual,
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Speaker 15: someone who doesn't make rash decisions. Craig Foster seems to
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Speaker 15: be an individual who will find any passing bandwagon of
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Speaker 15: the left's cause and jump on it. Whether it is
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Speaker 15: the matter relating to the Israel Gaza conflict, or the
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Speaker 15: failed Voice referendum, or indeed the Republican movement, he will
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Speaker 15: be attached to it. Now, is this a good or
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Speaker 15: a bad thing for the Republican referendum? Well, given he
43:45
Speaker 15: attached himself so heavily to the Voice referend and perhaps
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Speaker 15: it's a good thing for them. But at the end
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Speaker 15: of the day, frankly, he a great soccer player, should
43:55
Speaker 15: stick to his knitting and perhaps encourage young people to
43:57
Speaker 15: get out and get fit and get off their devices
43:58
Speaker 15: and stop meddling in police.
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Speaker 2: Sage advice. Let's go to nuclear energy if we can.
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Speaker 2: There's a report out today gen Costs. This is from
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Speaker 2: Siro Estimate Sysiro. They're saying that a large scale nuclear
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Speaker 2: reaction in Australia could cost something like seventeen billion. They
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Speaker 2: make that sound very scary. But let's not forget Nick
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Speaker 2: Kata Snow two point zero that just got revised up
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Speaker 2: in the budget a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 3: That's going to cost US twelve billion.
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Speaker 2: Now I don't believe it's twelve it'll be more by
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Speaker 2: the time we actually see it. If we can get
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Speaker 2: snowy which is basically water going around like a battery,
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Speaker 2: or a large scale nuclear reactor for about the same money.
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Speaker 3: I know where I want to go. I want to
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Speaker 3: go nuclear.
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Speaker 5: That's right. As as I told you last week, I
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Speaker 5: was in Finland. I went to the Oki Looto three
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Speaker 5: react to, which was completed last year. State of the
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Speaker 5: art third generation pressurized water reactor cost them nine point
44:57
Speaker 5: six billion Australian for one point kia wats that's a bargain. Now,
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Speaker 5: even if we had to pay more than that, we
45:04
Speaker 5: probably would because of inflation and costs in one way
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Speaker 5: or another. But we know the technology is there, we
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Speaker 5: know it works. Sweden, right, forty percent nuclear. They were
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Speaker 5: going to close down some of their nuclear plants the
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Speaker 5: previous government. The new government came in and said, nope,
45:19
Speaker 5: we're not going to do it. They're keeping their nuclear
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Speaker 5: open and they're looking for more. And that's in a
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Speaker 5: country which has got abundant hydroelectricity. They're sensible. That's why
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Speaker 5: electricity is cheaper in Sweden than it is in Germany
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Speaker 5: right now, and why their industry is not going overseas
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Speaker 5: in the way that German industry is going. I just
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Speaker 5: think it's a no brainer, Peter, I really do.
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Speaker 2: So do I Unless our industries go overseas, we've got
45:43
Speaker 2: to get serious about it. And John and we know
45:45
Speaker 2: that there's a deal soon to be announced about extending
45:48
Speaker 2: the life of aar ring.
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Speaker 3: And wanted to close it.
45:50
Speaker 2: They've worked out they actually need coal to keep the
45:53
Speaker 2: lights on in New South Wales. But what's tied up
45:55
Speaker 2: in this This is the report today. There's about a
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Speaker 2: thousand coal mine as worried that they could lose their
46:01
Speaker 2: job if Arahan's operator Origin doesn't renew its contract with
46:06
Speaker 2: Centennial Coal to Centennial mind supply the station with its coal.
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Speaker 2: This makes me run with that refrain. You know where
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Speaker 2: all the green jobs now are told renewables are cheap.
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Speaker 3: They're not cheap.
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Speaker 2: We're told that everyone will just migrate to a green job.
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Speaker 2: Where's the green jobs for the coal miners? Now?
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Speaker 15: The green jobs happen to be a myth, Peter. They're
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Speaker 15: not coming. I hate to tell the people of the
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Speaker 15: Hunter that they've been sold to porky on this one
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Speaker 15: and the rest of Australia. They're not coming. The transition
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Speaker 15: isn't going the way Anthony Albneasy promised it would and
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Speaker 15: those thousand jobs, so thousand households whose livelihoods depend on
46:46
Speaker 15: coal fired energy generation, well, those jobs are in jeopardy
46:50
Speaker 15: because their local member, who says, as I read today
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Speaker 15: media hasn't got much he can say about this. At
46:57
Speaker 15: this point he should be standing up to their jobs.
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Speaker 15: Everyone knows that we need reliable basedload generation, including coal,
47:04
Speaker 15: to keep the lights on. We haven't got this green
47:07
Speaker 15: transition under control that Labour promised would have. Those jobs
47:10
Speaker 15: are in question because they have not got this sorted
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Speaker 15: out and it is up to them to fix this.
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Speaker 15: Green jobs aren't coming secure the cold jobs today.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Jens. I must say I'm allowed to say it.
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Speaker 3: I don't care if I upset the sexist people watching
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Speaker 3: the show.
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Speaker 2: But you look fabulous. I love to see a man
47:26
Speaker 2: at a tie. You look pretty snappy in that three
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Speaker 2: piece suit. To down in Tasmania and Johnno, see you
47:30
Speaker 2: both next week.
47:32
Speaker 3: Can you believe that there's a lego room, a puzzles room.
47:37
Speaker 2: For anyone who's in their Department of agriculture. Farmers are
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Speaker 2: busting a gut out in the paddock, and these guys
47:43
Speaker 2: in Canberra who represent farmers.
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Speaker 3: They're playing with their lego.
47:46
Speaker 2: All right after break, kel Richards, welcome back, Johnavy. Now
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Speaker 2: kel Richards, hey, cal a bit of punctuation, not nunciation
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Speaker 2: to kick us off.
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Speaker 3: Oxford comma.
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Speaker 2: Paul, one of our viewers, wants to know what's meant
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Speaker 2: by the Oxford comma.
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Speaker 16: The question is, if you've got a list of things,
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Speaker 16: how many commas should there be in the list? For example,
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Speaker 16: should you go a comma B, comma C, comma and
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Speaker 16: D or do you drop the last comma A comma B,
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Speaker 16: comma C and D. Now most grammars say drop the
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Speaker 16: last comma, the one before the end, but the Oxford
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Speaker 16: University Press insisted in style guide you put in every
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Speaker 16: comma after every item in the list. Now I like
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Speaker 16: the idea. I think the more commas, the more clarity.
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Speaker 16: This is, as far as I'm concerned, the age of
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Speaker 16: the comma man, So let's put him in.
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Speaker 8: It's clearer.
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Speaker 2: You know, we must be so boring, because this has
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Speaker 2: been something that I would have an argument about with
48:48
Speaker 2: people for a good hour about whether to put it
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Speaker 2: in or out. I used to put the Oxford comma in.
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Speaker 2: Then I sometimes think it looks too busy in my sentence,
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Speaker 2: and I take it out.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, hey, Fay from.
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Speaker 2: Perth wants to know where does the gift of the
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Speaker 2: gab come from.
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Speaker 16: Gab came into English from a Scottish word meaning the mouth,
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Speaker 16: So it's the gift of having a glib mouthfairly obviously
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Speaker 16: closely related to our common slang word for a mouth,
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Speaker 16: which is a god. So gab god and that whole
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Speaker 16: family of words gab god, meaning originally meaning a fanciful speech,
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Speaker 16: appears to go all the way back to Anglo Norman
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Speaker 16: and Middle French. So they gave us these odd words
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Speaker 16: for speech. They came in to mean mouth, and that's
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Speaker 16: what they mean.
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Speaker 3: Now, all right.
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Speaker 2: Well, Judith from Sunshine Beach wants to know about a
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Speaker 2: bit of a favorite of mine. My dad used to
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Speaker 2: use it all the time, Quite love a bit of
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Speaker 2: a bugger lug.
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Speaker 3: Where's buggerlug come from?
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Speaker 16: Better run since eighteen sixty one. It was originally someone
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Speaker 16: who was very irritating. It's like being bugged by something
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Speaker 16: because bugs, insects irritators. Flies and insects irritator, so if
49:53
Speaker 16: you bug someone, you're irritating them. So bugger lugs was you.
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Speaker 16: Originally someone irritating, but it got softer over the years.
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Speaker 16: It became a term of affection. So you call a
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Speaker 16: small childie bugger lugs. So it's one of those words
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Speaker 16: which has gone from big, annoying to being gentle.
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Speaker 2: I call my husband peanut too, and that's a term
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Speaker 2: of affection. I don't mean it in a majority of sense.
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Speaker 2: Call them other things too, but I'll leave those off TV,
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Speaker 2: all right, kel Sy next week, thanks a lot. All right,
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Speaker 2: that's it for me, up next to an your bolt,