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Killer dad props DEAD Mommy on sofa with sunglasses, tells kids, 'MOMMY'S DRUNK' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days, another
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Speaker 1: twist in a case out of Anaheim that has baffle
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Speaker 1: legal legals and court watchers all across the country. Where
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Speaker 1: does the whole story start? It starts with a beautiful
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Speaker 1: young mom, Gizelle Preston Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Zazelle
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Speaker 1: Zizi Preston is a beloved mother of three, two daughters,
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Speaker 1: a three year old and an eight year old. She
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Speaker 1: also has a seven week old son with her new husband,
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Speaker 1: William Wallace. The twenty six year old dreams of becoming
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Speaker 1: a domestic violence counselor and returns to school to make
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Speaker 1: it happen, taking classes at Cypress College, joining me and
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Speaker 1: All Star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. You were just hearing our friends at
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Speaker 1: crime online dot Com talking about this gorgeous young mom
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Speaker 1: of three, a brand new seven week old son with
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Speaker 1: her new husband, planning to go back actually taking classes
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Speaker 1: at Cypress College. That's hard to do, raise three children
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Speaker 1: and go to school full time, Very difficult, very stressful.
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Speaker 1: At home with me Alexis Torezchuk, Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, also with Lead Stories dot Com, Dan Scott,
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Speaker 1: former La County Sheriff sergeant twenty six years, Special Victims
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Speaker 1: Bureau specializing in family matters. Doctor Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologist,
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Speaker 1: former medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and
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Speaker 1: form a police Detective to Boot. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned
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Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta and a jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Melissa Hottmeyer, Prince George County, chief of the Special Victims Unit.
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Speaker 1: She's joining us today. Also co founder of Right Response Consulting,
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Speaker 1: and a very special guest joining us. Laurie Galloway, very
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Speaker 1: very dear friend of Zelle Preston, founder and executive director
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Speaker 1: of the Eli Shelter Homes for Abe's Children, the former
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Speaker 1: Mayor pro tim of Anaheim, and you can find her
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Speaker 1: on Instagram at Laurie Galloway, also on Twitter. Laurie, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us today. You're very welcome. Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for inviting me, Laurie, could you just
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Speaker 1: tell me about your friend, did you know? Just thinking
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Speaker 1: about her and just bringing back the memory. She was
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Speaker 1: such a special, special person, and the thing that was
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Speaker 1: most special about her was her heart. She was a
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Speaker 1: truly compassionate loving, for giving, a faith person, and anyone
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Speaker 1: who would meet her and know her just loved her.
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Speaker 1: She was that kind of a person. I understand she
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Speaker 1: was just over the moon about the new baby, the
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Speaker 1: seven week old baby boy. Yes she was. She was
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Speaker 1: very much, very much in love with him. He was
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Speaker 1: just heaven on Earth to her. Guys, in the last days,
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Speaker 1: this case has taken another, yet another twist. Right now,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about Zazelle Preston, twenty six years old, two
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Speaker 1: daughters just three and eight, and a seven week old
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Speaker 1: son with her brand new husband. You heard that she's
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Speaker 1: going back to school at Cyprus. Cause there's so much
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Speaker 1: about her that we don't know. We don't know about
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Speaker 1: her upbringing, we don't know about what turned her into
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Speaker 1: the wonderful mother that she became. But I do know this.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. Wallace
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Speaker 1: called nine one one at approximately nine thirty am to
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Speaker 1: report that his wife needed medical attention, but that was
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Speaker 1: after calling Preston's family to complain that she wouldn't wake up.
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Speaker 1: Zazelle Preston was on responsive when Anaheim Police Department officers arrived.
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Speaker 1: Preston was slumped over on the couch when paramedics arrived. Okay,
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Speaker 1: nine one one, nine thirty in the morning, reporting his
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Speaker 1: wife needed help. He calls nine one one. When nine
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Speaker 1: one one gets there, the wife is slumped over on
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Speaker 1: the family sofa. Now right there, I find that unusual
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Speaker 1: to Laurie Gallowa, excuse me. To Melissa Hotmeyer, the Prince
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Speaker 1: George County chief of the Special Victims Unit, very two,
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Speaker 1: I remember as a little girl, Melissa, hearing my mother
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Speaker 1: screaming in the back bedroom. And I never saw my
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Speaker 1: parents out of a scream fest ever, And she was
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Speaker 1: yelling mac mac mac. And then I heard what sounded
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Speaker 1: like a slap, and I jumped up in my pj's
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Speaker 1: and ran back there. She was performing CPR on my dad.
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Speaker 1: My dad had was a heart patient his whole while,
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Speaker 1: starting in his early late thirties, and my mother saved
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Speaker 1: his life on that occasion. So I would expect when
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Speaker 1: nine one arrives to see Zell Preston lying down on
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Speaker 1: a hard surface, because we all know you can't do
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Speaker 1: CPR on a soft surface like sofa where Dad or
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Speaker 1: somebody would be performing CPR. But that is not what
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Speaker 1: nine one one found when they got there. Yeah, absolutely
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, and you know that is where the
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Speaker 1: investigation will definitely have to start. I'm looking into that,
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Speaker 1: and you know, to you Alexis Terresch Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: com investigative reporter as well with Lee Stories dot Com, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. But you know, I
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Speaker 1: hate to attack an upset spouse or family members. But
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Speaker 1: I mean, what, let me just be blunt, what idiot?
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Speaker 1: What try to do CPR? Alexis. Not only did he
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Speaker 1: not try to do CPR? He so he called nine
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Speaker 1: one one. He told them she's on responsive. They explaining,
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Speaker 1: you know that the operators are trained to teach you
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Speaker 1: how to do CPR so you can help somebody. They'll
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Speaker 1: stay on the phone with you while you do it.
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Speaker 1: They were telling him, Okay, here's how you do it.
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Speaker 1: You have to move around the book. He hung up
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Speaker 1: on the operator. Okay, now right there, right there. That's
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Speaker 1: why I love nim on one calls so much, as
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Speaker 1: far as I don't enjoy just listening to nine o
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Speaker 1: one calls, Alexis, I love Nie on one calls because
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Speaker 1: they tell me so much about the moment of the incident.
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Speaker 1: In this case, tell me that again, Alexis terres chuck.
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Speaker 1: Not only when nine one got there. He's not even
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Speaker 1: trying to do CPR, not even trying. She's still slumped
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Speaker 1: over as if she's sitting on she is. She's sitting
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Speaker 1: on the sofa, slumped over. And Guys, I know I'm
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Speaker 1: beating this fact, but it means a lot to me
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Speaker 1: when it comes to investigating a case, every detail matters.
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Speaker 1: Are you telling me because I didn't hear the nine
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Speaker 1: one call that they asked him to stay on the
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Speaker 1: line to regarding CPR instructions and he hung up on them.
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Speaker 1: Yes he was. They were telling him, well, she's not
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Speaker 1: asking him if she's breathing, here's how you can give
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Speaker 1: her CBR and he just hung up on them. And
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Speaker 1: then when the paramedics arrived in the police there was
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Speaker 1: no sign around her. There wasn't any blood or anything
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Speaker 1: like that. So they immediately just thought, oh, this this woman,
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Speaker 1: you know, just needs to be revived and went right
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Speaker 1: to help her out. You know Dan Scott, former La
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's sergeant, twenty six year special Victims. You think
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Speaker 1: he could tell a story to Dan Scott right there
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Speaker 1: that bothers me. And you know, very often we're told,
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Speaker 1: you know, you can't prove a case on a gut feeling,
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Speaker 1: and that's definitely true. But when I go into a
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Speaker 1: scene and I see the mom in distress and she's
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Speaker 1: still just sitting on the sofa with her head down,
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Speaker 1: Dan Scott, have you ever noticed a defendant has bizarre behavior,
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Speaker 1: Let's just say, at a hospital or a funeral. They
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Speaker 1: don't act upset at all, and you'll hear defense argue
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Speaker 1: till they're blue in the face. Well, there's no playbook
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Speaker 1: for grief, be asked, Dan Scott, I know what I
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Speaker 1: would do if my husband slumped over on the sofa,
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Speaker 1: and I pray to God that doesn't happen. That's exactly true. Well,
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Speaker 1: there is no playbook for grief. But most people react
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Speaker 1: the way we would expect them to react. If not,
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Speaker 1: there's a reason for it, and the cops that were
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Speaker 1: there would have first of all been alerted by the
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Speaker 1: nine one an operator that he hung up, and then
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Speaker 1: they would have observed this behavior that just does not
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Speaker 1: fit crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about
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Speaker 1: nine one one arriving at the home. I was Zelle Preston.
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Speaker 1: She's twenty six years old, has a seven week old
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Speaker 1: baby boy, she loves with her new husband, and she
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Speaker 1: slumped over on the sofa. Why is she slumped on
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Speaker 1: the sofa? Why isn't he performing CPR? You know, Alexis
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Speaker 1: terres Chuck, You and I sat through, i think, every
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Speaker 1: single day of testimony of the Scott Peterson case, and
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Speaker 1: everyone he had a great defense attorney, Martin Narregos, who
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Speaker 1: we have never agreed on one thing, not even but
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Speaker 1: he's still a very good defense attorney in court. He
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Speaker 1: went on and on and on explaining away why Scott
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Speaker 1: Peterson didn't go on searches for Lacy, had to be
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Speaker 1: dragged to the vigil, wouldn't speak publicly about help me
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Speaker 1: find my wife, nothing, and everyone detractors would say, well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, you can't judge him by the way
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Speaker 1: he's at to get a time like this. O H
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Speaker 1: E L L N O. Alexis, I will because it's
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Speaker 1: not judging, it's deducing evidence. Alexis. It's all the markings
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Speaker 1: from all the cases that we have covered. It's a
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Speaker 1: sign that somebody is hiding something. And so Scott not
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Speaker 1: going to any of those vigils or looking what are
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Speaker 1: you like pen pals. You're on a first name basis.
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Speaker 1: Now I do call in Scott, mister Peter, mister Peterson.
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Speaker 1: I don't know it sounds so stop. You can do
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Speaker 1: that on your own time, not mine. Blaze for he
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Speaker 1: is you know what he was doing the whole time
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Speaker 1: he was texting with his girlfriend. He was telling her
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Speaker 1: he was in Paris. He was plotting to get together
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Speaker 1: with her. A kid. Wait a minute, Alexis excuse me.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when he said he was in Paris.
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Speaker 1: He even made up friends for his names and gave
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Speaker 1: them stereotypically French names like Jacque and Pierre things. I mean, really, okay,
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Speaker 1: talk about weird behavior when your wife is missing, or
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Speaker 1: in this case, let me bring it back into the
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Speaker 1: middle of the road. Get out of the weeds. This
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Speaker 1: guy's just sitting there. He hangs up on nine one
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Speaker 1: one when they try to tell him how to do CPR.
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Speaker 1: Right there, I got a problem. But you know what,
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Speaker 1: don't just listen to me. Listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: crime online. Take a listen. This morning, the three and
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Speaker 1: eight year old daughters woke up two open presents. At
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Speaker 1: some point, Wallace dragged Preston's body into the living room
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Speaker 1: and placed it on the couch. He put sunglasses on
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Speaker 1: the body, and, according to the oldest daughter, Wallace told
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Speaker 1: the children, Mommy ruined Christmas. She got drunk and ruined Christmas.
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Speaker 1: He then videotaped the children opening their Christmas presents in
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Speaker 1: front of her. The eight year old says she remembers
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Speaker 1: touching her mom and she was rock hard and cold.
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Speaker 1: She says she called mommy, but Preston didn't respond. You
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Speaker 1: know what that's like drinking from the fire hydrant. I
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Speaker 1: got so much facts just then from Jackie Howard at
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Speaker 1: Crime On One. I really don't know where to start
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Speaker 1: with that. The reality is Melissa Hotmeyer, chief of Special
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Speaker 1: Victim's Unit at Prince George County. I would have to
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Speaker 1: turn that into about three or four giant posters to
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Speaker 1: break it down each sentence, to break it down into
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Speaker 1: ten or eleven, twelve points for the jury. Let's just
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Speaker 1: start with putting sunglasses on mommy and propping her up
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Speaker 1: on the sofa. Wait, no, no no, no, no, no, no, Melissa,
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Speaker 1: let's start. Hold on, Melissa, I'm gonna go to a
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Speaker 1: shrink on this. I'm sorry, I need an MD, psychiatrist,
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Speaker 1: not just a JD like you and myself, Doctor Angie.
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Speaker 1: What about that Christmas memory where the little girl goes
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Speaker 1: up to mommy who's sitting on the sofa wearing sunglasses
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Speaker 1: on Christmas morning, Daddy pi ss s on her. That's
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Speaker 1: a technical legal term that I don't allow the children
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Speaker 1: to say. By telling the children, Oh, mommy's drunk, she
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Speaker 1: ruined Christmas, and the little girl to defend mommy runs
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Speaker 1: over to mommy. Mommy's cold and rock hard. Well you
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Speaker 1: think that little girl will ever have Christmas? Oh, it's
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Speaker 1: so sad, Nancy, How could she feels all the way?
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Speaker 1: How could she ever, how could she ever have a
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Speaker 1: Christmas morning that that doesn't go through her mind? I mean,
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Speaker 1: that poor child is going to need so much therapy.
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Speaker 1: We can we just talk about another aspect of this too,
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Speaker 1: Melissa Hotmeyer, veteran trial lawyer, putting sunglasses on mommy and
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Speaker 1: telling the children, oh, mommy's drunk. Let's call staging. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And it shows such a level of premeditation and an
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Speaker 1: attempt to cover up what happened. That is significant evidence.
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Speaker 1: If I was the prosecutor in this case, and you
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Speaker 1: know you don't want to say it's good evidence. What
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Speaker 1: happened here is definitely not good, but it is powerful
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Speaker 1: evidence for a jury to hear. To doctor Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: forensic pathologists from her medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation
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Speaker 1: Field Guide, and former police detective to Boot, I mean
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Speaker 1: this woman's guide at all, you know, doctor Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: how long does a body think of ambient air in
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Speaker 1: the home? Was just say sixty nine degrees? Say sixty
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Speaker 1: nine degrees? How long would it take a body to
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Speaker 1: go cold and rot? Card to Nancy, As you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: it does depend on the ambient temperature and other factors.
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Speaker 1: What was the state of the body before they were deceased.
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Speaker 1: We know that a body will decrease in temperature approximately
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Speaker 1: one point five degree cyntegrade for every hour. So that
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Speaker 1: way we can ask, Okay, are you talking to me
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Speaker 1: in centigrade? Did you just say that? I keep trying
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Speaker 1: to tell you, I'm just a JD. Speak to me
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Speaker 1: and regular people talk. I only understand fahrenheit. Okay, Now,
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Speaker 1: if you ask one of my twins, they can tell
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Speaker 1: you all about Celsius everything. But please help me, Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, what so the body temperature will decrease
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Speaker 1: a little every hour, depending on the ambient temperature and
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Speaker 1: other factors, but approximately, given the situation, day would probably
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Speaker 1: the decrease in temperature and become stiff, as we say
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Speaker 1: rigor mortis, and anywhere from eight to twelve hours. Well,
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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at as she has been dead for
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Speaker 1: eight to twelve hours, her body propped up on the sofa,
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Speaker 1: clothed with sunglasses on, and all Daddy can tell the
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Speaker 1: children is Mommy's drunk. She run Christmas To Laurie Galloway.
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Speaker 1: Miss Galloway, it hurts me to think that our discussion
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Speaker 1: is hurting you, But this is what happened to your
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Speaker 1: friend just twenty six years old. When what was your reaction, Laurie,
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Speaker 1: when you learned that she had been propped up on
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Speaker 1: a sofa, had been dead eight to twelve hours, had
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Speaker 1: been clothed and got sunglasses put on her face. When
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Speaker 1: nine when one arrived, it was excruciating. And I knew
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Speaker 1: too much already. I knew a lot of the background.
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Speaker 1: I knew how much Zezi wanted to leave the situation,
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Speaker 1: how many times she tried. So when I heard that,
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Speaker 1: I knew so much already. But to then I think
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Speaker 1: of the children, and I know each of the children personally,
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Speaker 1: to think that they had seen that, and my immediate
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Speaker 1: thing was what is to happen with them? How is
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Speaker 1: this going to affect with them and the rest of
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Speaker 1: their lives? It was It was really a lot to
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Speaker 1: be able to take. It was just and I just
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Speaker 1: knew too much. I wish I didn't. Maybe it wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have hurt so much. Time stories with Nancy Grace Floor
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Speaker 1: Galloway is with me. This is Zell's very dear friend.
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Speaker 1: She is founder of the Eli Shelter Home for Abused Children.
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Speaker 1: She's the former Mayor pro tem of the City of Anaheim.
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Speaker 1: On instuff, she's at Lorie Galloway Twitter at Laurie Underscore Galloway.
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Speaker 1: And the reason I'm giving you all of these credentials
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Speaker 1: as I learned prosecuting felonies Lourie and as a volunteer
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Speaker 1: at the Battered Women's Center for nearly ten years on
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Speaker 1: the hotline that out there in the world, a lot
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Speaker 1: of people believe abuse domestic violence as we call it,
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Speaker 1: to try to make it that's quite the euphemism family violence.
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Speaker 1: They think it's somebody else. They think it's poor people
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Speaker 1: or uneducated people, or some other race or some other
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Speaker 1: country or some other section of town. It's not. You're right.
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Speaker 1: I had Well, I can't say who I had called in,
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Speaker 1: but a very prominent politician in Atlanta at the time.
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Speaker 1: Wife would call the hotline all the time, and we
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Speaker 1: all knew it. But she did not want her husband arrested.
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Speaker 1: She just needed somebody to talk to. She couldn't tell anybody.
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Speaker 1: And I would walk away just with my stomach clinched
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Speaker 1: like that, knowing what I know. And that's just what
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Speaker 1: you just said. Yeah, what did you know? When you
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Speaker 1: say you knew too much? What did you know? Well,
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Speaker 1: Zelie was wanting to get out of the situation, and
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Speaker 1: he was just just stronger in so many ways and manipulative,
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Speaker 1: and it was a perfect case scenario as far as
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Speaker 1: for him because he could control. He knew how to
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Speaker 1: get her to do things that she didn't want to do.
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't at all that she didn't know what
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Speaker 1: was going on. I mean, she tried to do everything possible.
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Speaker 1: I would. She had resources, she knew she could come
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Speaker 1: to us and that we would protect her with everything.
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Speaker 1: She was in college at the time, she knew about
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Speaker 1: domestic violence. She wrote papers that got a pluses on
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Speaker 1: what domestic violence was and how to recognize it and
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Speaker 1: how to protect yourself from it. So there was so
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Speaker 1: much that she knew, but there was so much about
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Speaker 1: Zizi that made her this kind of victims. But yet
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Speaker 1: it was she was knowledgeable, she knew what was going on,
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Speaker 1: she did not have the strength to get out of it.
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Speaker 1: To your daughter, Angela Arnold Psychiatrists out of Atlanta and
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold dot com. This is one of your specialties.
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Speaker 1: You deal a lot with women and their emotional ups
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Speaker 1: and downs. This woman wanted to complete classes at Cyprus
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Speaker 1: College and become a domestic violence counselor. Yet she's a
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Speaker 1: victim of domestic violence. Not only is she a victim
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Speaker 1: of domestic violence, Nancy, didn't you also say that she
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Speaker 1: just had she had a seven week old baby. I
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Speaker 1: mean to me, that puts a whole other level of
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Speaker 1: something on this. I don't think that that's a medical diagnosis,
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Speaker 1: a whole other level of something. What well, what I'm trying,
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Speaker 1: what I'm what I mean to say is that now
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Speaker 1: here she found herself with a seven week old baby.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure how much she had tried previously
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Speaker 1: to get out of this relationship, if she had, but
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Speaker 1: then you find yourself strap down with a new baby
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Speaker 1: and it was his baby. Correct, yes, her new husband.
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Speaker 1: You're right, a whole another lair well, the story unfalls.
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Speaker 1: What does the husband, William Wallace say, listen. Wallace told
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Speaker 1: police that Preston had fallen over the threshold of their apartment.
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Speaker 1: She landed face first on a glass coffee table, shattering it.
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Speaker 1: Preston's oldest daughter testified that Wallace asked her to pull
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Speaker 1: pieces of glass from her mother's body before he carried
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Speaker 1: Preston into a bathroom, where Wallace dropped Preston. Her head
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Speaker 1: hit the side of a toilet seat, according to the daughter.
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Speaker 1: Wallace says at some point he noticed Preston was gurgling
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Speaker 1: and having trouble breathing. He says he tried to revive
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Speaker 1: her in the bathtub by turning on the shower, but
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Speaker 1: that didn't work. He told police he pulled her out
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Speaker 1: of the shower by grabbing her around the torso, but
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Speaker 1: he told Preston's mom he had pulled her out by
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Speaker 1: her feet. At that point, he put Preston into their
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Speaker 1: bed then passed out beside her. Does that jive with
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Speaker 1: an earlier statement he gave listen Christmas Eve, the couple
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Speaker 1: into the neighbor's party, but began fighting. That fight continued
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Speaker 1: once they were back in their home. According to the
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Speaker 1: Orange County Register, Wallace admitted that he had quote tossed
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Speaker 1: Preston around a bit during their argument, and that he
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Speaker 1: caught Preston dragging her back inside their Anaheim apartment when
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Speaker 1: she tried to run away. One neighbor says they saw
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Speaker 1: Wallace lifting what looked like a body at the apartment gate.
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Speaker 1: The paper reported police found blood in the apartment, holes
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Speaker 1: in the walls, and a door off its hinges. Holes
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Speaker 1: in the walls, door off hinges, police gathering information Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to the coroner's report. According to the coroner's report,
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Speaker 1: Preston died of blunt force trauma to the head, rendering
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Speaker 1: her unconscious. A police report says Preston sustained four to
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Speaker 1: six blunt force injuries and her brain hemorrhaged. As police
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Speaker 1: gathered information and Wallace's story changed repeatedly, there seemed to
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Speaker 1: be at least four points in which Preston sustained those injuries.
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Speaker 1: Wallace tells police that as the couple argued, he pushed
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Speaker 1: her and she fell back onto the mattress. I want
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Speaker 1: to go straight out to doctor Michelle Dupree. You know,
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Speaker 1: pushing somebody onto a mattress, I hardly think is going
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Speaker 1: to be a cod cause of death. You're the former
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Speaker 1: medical examiner forensic pathologist explained, how is she getting bludgeoned
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Speaker 1: dead with? I think the reporter says four points of
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Speaker 1: injury by falling on a mattress. Nancy, that's pretty hard
24:30
Speaker 1: to do. I think you're absolutely correct. There was. She
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Speaker 1: was struck with a blunt object of some type. He
24:39
Speaker 1: may have pushed her and she fell into a glass table,
24:41
Speaker 1: but she was also struck with something else at least
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Speaker 1: three other times. To have four injuries, four injuries, and
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Speaker 1: to find the injuries on autopsy, what does that tell you?
24:53
Speaker 1: So that tells me basically that she was hit with
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Speaker 1: an object, that it was not something that she did
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Speaker 1: to herself, It was not a fall of some sort.
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Speaker 1: It tells me that she was struck with a blunt
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Speaker 1: object by someone else. How can you tell when you
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Speaker 1: look at an injury? Doctor Michelle Dupree that it was
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Speaker 1: a blow from someone else. So Nancy, oftentimes we will
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Speaker 1: find something, especially in the head area, we will find
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Speaker 1: a depressed skull fracture, and that is an indication of
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Speaker 1: being hit with a blunt object. On other parts of
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Speaker 1: the body, we look for something that's very important and
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Speaker 1: that is patterned injuries. Patterned injuries can tell us so
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Speaker 1: much about what happened and what object may have been used.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories With Nancy Grace, can we just talk common
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Speaker 1: sense for a moment. She has got former La County
25:57
Speaker 1: Shares Department twenty six years, Special Victims Bureau. How many
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Speaker 1: times have you heard, oh, she fell or the baby fell.
26:07
Speaker 1: How likely is it that someone is going to just
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Speaker 1: simply fallen, trip and die? People fallen trip every day.
26:16
Speaker 1: My sister just fell last week as she broke her hand.
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Speaker 1: She blocked her fall, but she didn't die. I mean
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Speaker 1: it just it defies logic. You hear people say, oh,
26:28
Speaker 1: I was changing the baby on the changing table and
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Speaker 1: it fell and died. No, you don't just fall and
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Speaker 1: die exactly, and with the like the coroner was saying,
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Speaker 1: you know, they can help us tremendously. We talked to
26:44
Speaker 1: the coroner. We talked to the doctors, we get their
26:47
Speaker 1: impression of what they've seen, but then you're also going
26:50
Speaker 1: to have witnesses accounts. None of this adds up. And
26:54
Speaker 1: she didn't fall into a table. That might have happened,
26:58
Speaker 1: but again has been stated that didn't cause her death.
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Speaker 1: That would have caused glass and maybe other injuries, but
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Speaker 1: the blood forced trauma to the head is obviously not
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Speaker 1: from the table. And also Alexi's terres Chuck crimalline dot
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Speaker 1: com and lead stories dot com. Alexis, I heard our
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Speaker 1: friends at crime online tell us there were four points
27:21
Speaker 1: of injuries that correct, there were and the thing, and
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Speaker 1: they were all in her head, and there were so
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Speaker 1: it was so extensive they couldn't say, well, this was
27:31
Speaker 1: the blow, that was the death blow, that she would
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Speaker 1: just been hit with something or beaten over and over
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Speaker 1: and over and over again in the head. So for
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Speaker 1: that to happen naturally, she would have to fall on
27:44
Speaker 1: her head with such velocity it could kill her. And
27:48
Speaker 1: then I guess what, stand up and fall again and
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Speaker 1: again and again, or go down a flight of stairs
27:54
Speaker 1: with such velocity that she hit herself in the head
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Speaker 1: every single time, four times over no, and then to
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Speaker 1: stop it all off, She's dressed, sunglasses put on her face,
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Speaker 1: sat on the sofa, and then Daddy tells the children
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Speaker 1: Mommy's drunk and ruined Christmas. This is called in our
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Speaker 1: line of business posing, staging. Posing a scene, or staging
28:25
Speaker 1: a scene can be anything from closing the victim's eyes.
28:29
Speaker 1: I worked on one story where the adult daughter killed
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Speaker 1: mom and then put a wicker trash basket over her
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Speaker 1: head for some reason. A lot of times we see
28:41
Speaker 1: defendants cover the face of a dead victim that they
28:45
Speaker 1: murdered with a blanket with clothing. The Columbus strangler will
28:50
Speaker 1: put all the clothing in the house on top of
28:52
Speaker 1: the dead victim after raping and strangling them. If someone
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Speaker 1: is killed out in the elements, I've seen many many
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Speaker 1: cases where the victim's face is covered with twigs or
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Speaker 1: leaves or branches that as a rudimentary as it is,
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Speaker 1: is staging this scene. This goes to a whole other level.
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Speaker 1: Propping Mommy up on the living room sofa, putting sunglasses
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Speaker 1: on her and telling the children she's drunk and she
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Speaker 1: ruined Christmas. She's dead from blunt force trauma. Not by
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Speaker 1: far the first time we've seen staging. Do you recall
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Speaker 1: the case of Israel Keys and one of his mini victims,
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Speaker 1: Alaska and Barista Samantha Coney Glass. The morning after the kidnapping,
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Speaker 1: Israel Keys rolled her body up and stuck it in
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Speaker 1: a box in his shed, and then woke his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: up and his child up, went to New Orleans, boarded
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Speaker 1: a cruise ship, and then came back about two two
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Speaker 1: and a half weeks later. Because of the cold temperatures,
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Speaker 1: she had frozen. And then he thought her and had
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Speaker 1: to apply makeup to her in order to make her
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Speaker 1: look more lifelike. You're hearing our friends at Austin method
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Speaker 1: of a serial killer. There he applies makeup to Samantha's face.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more. Please explained to us that
30:17
Speaker 1: miss Koenig had already been killed when he took that
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Speaker 1: ransom photograph, that he had used a needle and thread
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Speaker 1: to make her eyes appear as though she might still
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Speaker 1: be alive. So there you hear more about serial killer
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Speaker 1: Israel Keys applying makeup. He braided his victim's hair, her
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Speaker 1: eyes were sown open to give her the appearance that
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Speaker 1: she was alive. That is definitely posing or staging the scene.
30:52
Speaker 1: That was from Investigation Discovery Dark Minds. But Israel keys
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Speaker 1: Mahie rotten Hill is by far not the only one
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Speaker 1: that did that. I'm sure you remember BTK buying torture
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Speaker 1: kill Dennis Raider. He would readdress his victims after assaulting
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Speaker 1: them and killing them, apply wigs and makeup. Listen to this, Well,
31:16
Speaker 1: he actually wasn't going to put her under a bridge.
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Speaker 1: It was a foggy rainye like snowy night. He was
31:23
Speaker 1: looking for an abandoned barn because that was part of
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Speaker 1: his fantasy. He wanted to take her there, and he
31:28
Speaker 1: couldn't find it, so he finally just put her under
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Speaker 1: the bridge in the culvert. So that wasn't the plan. Again,
31:37
Speaker 1: many of his plans did not work out the way
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Speaker 1: he expected them to. The other one marine hedge. He
31:44
Speaker 1: took out of her house and took her to his
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Speaker 1: church where he had taped up plastic around the windows,
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Speaker 1: and he wanted to take pictures of her body in
31:53
Speaker 1: other women's underwear that he has stolen. Okay, you are
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Speaker 1: hearing dot Or Catherine Ransum, author of untold story about BTK.
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Speaker 1: She is a professor at d Sell University speaking to
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Speaker 1: me about Dennish Raider. I want to go to our
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Speaker 1: shrink and I say that in a loving caring way.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angel Arnold, renowned psychilagrists joining me out of Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: There are those are two examples. There's also, well, here's
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Speaker 1: a famous one, Ted Bundy. With his victims. He would
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Speaker 1: often bathe them when he bade them, applied makeup, redid
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Speaker 1: the hair. He wasn't necrophiliac. He would have sex with
32:43
Speaker 1: the dead bodies or dead body parts, but he would
32:48
Speaker 1: definitely pose and stage the dead victim's body. Now definitely
32:54
Speaker 1: need to shrink on this. Go ahead, doctor ansya. I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how to even form the question
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Speaker 1: on this. Well, I think that I think that it
33:03
Speaker 1: might be two different things. I believe that the men
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Speaker 1: that killed this young woman posed and staged her for
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Speaker 1: the benefit of the children, and it was Christmas and
33:16
Speaker 1: he wanted everything to look like it was normal, and
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Speaker 1: he was explaining himself about something about her condition. However,
33:23
Speaker 1: I believe that in the case of the serial killers,
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Speaker 1: when they pose and stage the different bodies they're getting,
33:30
Speaker 1: they're getting more out of the act, the act that
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Speaker 1: they perform. When they of the serial killing and the
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Speaker 1: rape and whatever else they do to the body is
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Speaker 1: not finished. They get more out of the actual act
33:42
Speaker 1: of staging and posing the body. There may be some
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Speaker 1: There probably is some control in that they may get
33:50
Speaker 1: some more sexual satisfaction out of that. They can't do
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Speaker 1: this to a to a live human being, and so
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Speaker 1: they get all of their sexual gratification in their control
34:02
Speaker 1: gratification out of posing the dead body. I do believe
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Speaker 1: there may be a difference in these two scenarios. However,
34:10
Speaker 1: you know, to Melissa Hotmeyer, have you ever heard the phrase,
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Speaker 1: don't bring a knife to a gunfight? Okay, well that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm about to do. I'm bringing a knife when
34:20
Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold has an oozy but I disagree with her.
34:27
Speaker 1: This guy had twelve hours to dress her, to dress
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Speaker 1: Giselle Zizi, to pat her hair down after he had
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Speaker 1: beaten her in the head. Remember, nobody could see anything
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Speaker 1: wrong with her. Her hair was in place, she had
34:48
Speaker 1: sunglasses on, her clothes were not a bloody. He could
34:52
Speaker 1: have put her in bed and said, mommy doesn't feel
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Speaker 1: well this morning. He could have gotten rid of the body,
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Speaker 1: dumped it somewhere and said, mommy got sick and had
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Speaker 1: to go the doctor. We're going to open up our
35:04
Speaker 1: presence anyway. No, he had her dressed, he had her
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Speaker 1: hair fixed, he had sunglasses on her and propped her
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Speaker 1: up on the sofa and video. Did children owe me
35:20
Speaker 1: they're Christmas gifts? Like it was a normal Christmas morning? No? No,
35:27
Speaker 1: he did this for at least eight to twelve hours. Melissa, Yeah,
35:33
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think you're right. I also
35:35
Speaker 1: only have a JD. But this, this is somebody who
35:38
Speaker 1: I think is it is getting some sort of gratification
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Speaker 1: out of it, or you know, had some sort of
35:44
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's I mean, not the only word
35:47
Speaker 1: I can think of his psychopath. Because who would do
35:50
Speaker 1: something like that to your two children, to your wife.
35:54
Speaker 1: I just can't think of very many things that are
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Speaker 1: so traumatic children and are so degrading to the woman
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Speaker 1: that you are allegedly married to and love. I'm glad
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Speaker 1: you said that, Melissa Hotmeyer, degrading because all I could
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Speaker 1: think of was desecrating to Lorie Galloway, A very dear friend.
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Speaker 1: Zazelle Preston's just twenty six years old, the founder of
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Speaker 1: the Eli Shelter Home for abused children. Former Mayor pro
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Speaker 1: tem of Anaheim. Not only did he kill her beet dead,
36:36
Speaker 1: but he then desecrated her or, as Melissa Hotmeyer correctly states,
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Speaker 1: he degraded her by putting on this charade with her
36:47
Speaker 1: dead body for the children. It was just I'm really
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Speaker 1: having this is difficult to hear again because it brings
36:57
Speaker 1: back all these memories of that time, that evening, and
37:02
Speaker 1: you're so right about the time frame. It didn't just happen.
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Speaker 1: I mean that party where they had the fight, that
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Speaker 1: Christmas party. It started then, so and that was early
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Speaker 1: on in the evening, so it was a whole night
37:20
Speaker 1: of doing this. And when we hear that it takes
37:25
Speaker 1: um to ten hours twelve hours for rigg and mortis
37:30
Speaker 1: to set in. That makes sense. It doesn't make sense
37:33
Speaker 1: that it was she had died many hours before Christmas morning,
37:39
Speaker 1: and so yeah, he had to be that was psychopathic
37:45
Speaker 1: to be able to do something like that. And then
37:49
Speaker 1: you know, just just be so callous that you could
37:52
Speaker 1: take a video of this and oh my gosh, And
37:59
Speaker 1: did we even talk about how he put the baby
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Speaker 1: to her breast to try to feed the baby, knowing
38:04
Speaker 1: full well she had done Okay, well why why what
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Speaker 1: did you just say? He put the baby on Giselle's
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Speaker 1: chest and because the baby was climbing and wanted to
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Speaker 1: be fed, so, knowing full well, knowing absolutely full well,
38:27
Speaker 1: that she was already dead, he places the baby there
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Speaker 1: to feed. Okay, So that talks really brings in what
38:37
Speaker 1: you're trying to say is that he took some kind
38:40
Speaker 1: of sick jewelry in this, in watching someone dead, performed
38:47
Speaker 1: things that someone alive is supposed to do. What is that?
38:52
Speaker 1: It's just, it's so it's so hard to Alex's Teresa.
38:57
Speaker 1: What's the latest on the case against husband William Wallace.
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Speaker 1: He has been convicted and found guilty by a jury.
39:05
Speaker 1: They convicted him of murdering Gizelle. When is sentencing June fourth?
39:10
Speaker 1: If he's convicted, i'd murder one in California, he can
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Speaker 1: get life behind bars. Correct, Yes he can. He is
39:17
Speaker 1: facing life behind bars. We wait as justice h paulas