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Credlin | 22 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Wonderful to have your company.
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Speaker 2: It's what's coming up tonight on the program. Shortly, I'll
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Speaker 2: bring you some highlights from Australia's inaugural ARC conference in
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Speaker 2: Sydney today. The Alliance for Responsible Citizenship that I attended
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Speaker 2: today as a fight back against the lefts march through
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Speaker 2: our institutions begins. We're set to spend seven billion dollars
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Speaker 2: over the next decade to revolutionize our air and missile
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Speaker 2: defence systems. Now, given we know China has got no
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Speaker 2: intention of toning down its hostilities, this seems like a
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Speaker 2: good idea. But given how sluggage our defense procurement's been
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Speaker 2: is just another announcement on the long finger and how
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Speaker 2: real is this money? Plus another regional community pushing back
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Speaker 2: on the position of massive wind farms, this time over
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Speaker 2: at least two hundred and fifty turbines about the same
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Speaker 2: size as Sydney's Center Point Tower. Worse still, its foreign
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Speaker 2: owned companies pushing ahead despite anger from locals. And the
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Speaker 2: follow continues from those calls that Lydia thought through at
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Speaker 2: the king people now want her to resign after that
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Speaker 2: disgusting display yesterday.
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Speaker 3: There's a very strong argument for somebody who doesn't believe
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Speaker 3: in the system, but it's willing to take quarter of
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Speaker 3: a million dollars a year from the system to resign
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Speaker 3: in principle.
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Speaker 2: But first, today, alongside seven hundred other people committed to
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Speaker 2: arresting the decline of Western civilization and in particular democracies
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Speaker 2: like ours in Australia, I spent the day at the
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Speaker 2: first ARC conference in Sydney. Now, as you heard last
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Speaker 2: night from one of the founders, John Anderson, ark OR,
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Speaker 2: the Alliance of Responsible Citizens is a new movement from
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Speaker 2: the center right of politics and policy and thought to
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Speaker 2: start the pushback against defeatism, against wokery, and, let's be honest,
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Speaker 2: the growth of socialism in our once proud West. Its
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Speaker 2: objective is to inspire ordinary citizens, businesses and think tanks
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Speaker 2: and more to tackle the lefts march through our institutions.
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Speaker 2: ARKE held its first conference last November in London, and
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Speaker 2: today it was Australia's turn. Now, I hope you were
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Speaker 2: able to tune into a little bit of it here
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Speaker 2: on Sky News and you're inspired by the amazing array
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Speaker 2: of speakers, as I promised last night, after they got
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Speaker 2: off the stage, I managed to pull a couple of
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Speaker 2: them aside to follow up on some of the thought
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Speaker 2: provoking conversations they kicked off. One of the speakers who
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Speaker 2: really challenged everyone in the room was clinical social worker
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Speaker 2: psychoanalyst Erica Commissa, who took the audience through the demonstrable
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Speaker 2: links between institutional childcare and the mental health explosion we're
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Speaker 2: seeing amongst our young people.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: When she spoke, you could have heard a pin drop.
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Speaker 4: There's very clear evidence that childcare under institutional care under
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Speaker 4: the age of three leads to increased aggression, behavioral problems,
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Speaker 4: and attentional issues when children get to the school age
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Speaker 4: and so no, there's a great deal of evidence that
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Speaker 4: breaking the bond between a mother and a child, or
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Speaker 4: what we say the primary attachment figure and the child
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Speaker 4: at such an early age does incredible damage. What we
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Speaker 4: do know is that eighty five percent of the right brain,
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Speaker 4: or the social emotional brain, which is responsible for things
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Speaker 4: like emotional regulation and the ability to cope with stress
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Speaker 4: in the future, it's developed by the age of three.
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Speaker 4: So when we separate mothers and babies prematurely, we are
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Speaker 4: inevitably causing a lot of these mental health issues that
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Speaker 4: we see today.
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Speaker 2: So we're seeing that growth in mental health issues because
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Speaker 2: of institutional care, but we're also saying there's extraordinary growth
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Speaker 2: in the push to send particularly young infants into care
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Speaker 2: and push mums back into the workforce. The correlations as
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Speaker 2: why aren't we learning from our mistakes.
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Speaker 4: Well, there's a denial of biological evolutionary things that have
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Speaker 4: allowed us to survive as a species for millennium and
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Speaker 4: so you know, in the last seventy five years, we
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Speaker 4: you know, we're trying to change again biological things that
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Speaker 4: help have helped us for centuries to raise healthy children.
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Speaker 4: You know, I think that the feminist movement again did
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Speaker 4: a great deal.
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Speaker 2: Of good for women.
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Speaker 4: I am a benefactor of that, is or you, but
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Speaker 4: it went too far in saying that the only meaningful
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Speaker 4: work is work outside the home, and it started to
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Speaker 4: devalue and deprioritize mothering in a way where as you say,
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Speaker 4: it made women feel as if they should feel ashamed
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Speaker 4: for staying home, that it wasn't meaningful work, if it
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Speaker 4: wasn't paid work.
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Speaker 2: I thought one of the most sobering points you made
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Speaker 2: was not everyone has the same financial choices and childcare
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Speaker 2: often and work balancing, all of that comes down to choices.
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Speaker 2: But you say everyone still has choices. Yeah, we're all
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Speaker 2: the same, but they have choices.
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Speaker 4: Exactly, you know, the choices for a woman who works
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Speaker 4: maybe instead of using you know, listen, institutional care is
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Speaker 4: always going to be a choice, because governments are always
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Speaker 4: We're not trying to take it away from women who
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Speaker 4: want it as a choice. We're trying to make the
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Speaker 4: choice available to families to raise their own children, knowing
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Speaker 4: it's far better for the children and for the families
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Speaker 4: to do so.
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Speaker 2: And one of those these were about to hit a
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Speaker 2: federal election here in Australia. One of those you made
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Speaker 2: very clear in the rumors we should prioritize this issue
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Speaker 2: as something we look at when we assess our political
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Speaker 2: choices at the ballot box.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think that you by making sure that you
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Speaker 4: support a government that does not support institutional care, you
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Speaker 4: are actually taking a step in the right direction.
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Speaker 2: I have more to say on childcare policies we head
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Speaker 2: into the election. I think it should be fairer. I
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Speaker 2: think the money should go to parents, not childcare. Centers.
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Speaker 2: But let's stay with ARC historian and author saneil Ferguson. Well,
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Speaker 2: he spoke today about the enormous risk that, if left unchecked,
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Speaker 2: big tech presents to the fundamental values we have in
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Speaker 2: the West, like freedom of speech and democracy. And he
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Speaker 2: also said this isn't just a problem for those we
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Speaker 2: elect to address. We've all got to get more engaged.
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Speaker 2: She says, in the West.
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Speaker 1: The public sphere itself has been radically transformed in the
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Speaker 1: last twenty years. We've moved from a world in which
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Speaker 1: newspapers and television networks dominated the media to world in
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Speaker 1: which thirty percent of young Americans get their news from TikTok,
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Speaker 1: a Chinese owns app. A handful of network platforms dominates
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Speaker 1: the information space, and they have tremendous power and almost
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Speaker 1: no responsibility. But an even bigger problem is that, partly
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Speaker 1: for this reason, the platforms have accrue to themselves tremendous
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Speaker 1: power to sensor or just to gently suppress information that
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Speaker 1: they don't like, and that lack of accountability gives them
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Speaker 1: tremendous political power, not only in the United States but
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Speaker 1: all around the world, with the exception of China, where
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Speaker 1: they're excluded.
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Speaker 2: So give us some hope because part of the story
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Speaker 2: of ARC first in London now in Australia is to
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Speaker 2: enable citizens to be empowered and to have a story
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Speaker 2: of hope. We talk about leaders needing to lead, good
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Speaker 2: leaders leading, but you also say we're all responsible now
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Speaker 2: for the job ahead, aren't we? What do you want
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Speaker 2: ordinary Stralians to do well.
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Speaker 1: Part of the problem with the Internet age is that
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Speaker 1: we think clicking the like button is activity. It's not.
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Speaker 1: We have to be far more engaged as citizens in
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Speaker 1: everything from school governance through local government all the way
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Speaker 1: up to national politics.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's been.
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Speaker 1: True of our generation that we have been relatively passive,
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Speaker 1: if not downright apathetic activism. Engagement does not consist of
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Speaker 1: going online and doom scrawling your way through X or
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Speaker 1: whatever your favorite social media platform is.
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Speaker 2: Alike is not engagement.
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Speaker 1: So it's not just leadership that we need in the West,
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Speaker 1: it's what I'll call followership, and that means the readiness to, oh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, give up an evening to go to
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Speaker 1: the parent teachers meeting, get involved with the school board.
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Speaker 5: All over the English speaking.
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Speaker 1: World there are opportunities for citizens to be more active
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Speaker 1: than they are.
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Speaker 2: So you're saying we've got to push back.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in my own life there are moments when
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Speaker 1: I don't know, human resources will send down email which
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Speaker 1: strikes me as wildly woke, and I just kind of,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, delete or ignore. But I should do
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Speaker 1: more than that. I should say why is this being
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Speaker 1: sent around? Why are you recommending this action which is
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Speaker 1: at odds with my fundamental principles. I think we all
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Speaker 1: need to be a little bit more engaged in resisting
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Speaker 1: the woke mind virus. It spreads partly because our apathy
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Speaker 1: leaves us defenseless against the contagion.
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Speaker 2: Tony Ibo often used to say, you know, the silent
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Speaker 2: majority won't stay the majority, for it stays silent, And
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Speaker 2: this is I guess an extension of that. You want
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Speaker 2: us to be active citizens.
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Speaker 1: I think active citizenship is central to democracy. The West
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Speaker 1: was not just based on representative government and the rule
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Speaker 1: of law civil society. The engagement at the local level
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Speaker 1: was as important as those things, and I think we've
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Speaker 1: somewhat tended to forget that because it's so it's so
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Speaker 1: hard to find time, it doesn't pay. Why are you
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Speaker 1: going to that meeting? Why not stay home and watch television.
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Speaker 1: And the response to that is, if I do not
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Speaker 1: go to the meeting, if everybody doesn't go to the meeting,
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Speaker 1: then the far left, the radical so called activists, will
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Speaker 1: get the upper hand. One reason that the left has
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Speaker 1: been so effective over the last twenty years is that
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Speaker 1: they do show up at those committee meetings and that
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Speaker 1: organization is what people on the other side have chronically
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Speaker 1: lacked archisma, making up that deficiency and reviving the idea
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Speaker 1: of active citisztenship.
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Speaker 2: And we're starting to say that pushback, aren't we acknowledge
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Speaker 2: THEMS to country welcomes to country. Five years ago people
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Speaker 2: would not have spoken out against them and how they
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Speaker 2: are post the voice they are now. A little later
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Speaker 2: in that day, I had the pleasure of interviewing on
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Speaker 2: the stage China Sheeper, the former President of the Business
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Speaker 2: Council of Australia who's had an impressive private sector career
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Speaker 2: in infrastructure. But it was also the bloke appointed in
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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen by the incoming Abbot government to deliver it
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Speaker 2: first audit or the first audit actually a Commonwealth spending
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Speaker 2: in almost twenty years now, with a wide ranging discussion. Ultimately,
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Speaker 2: we focused on the question a weather governments and a
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Speaker 2: public that's become increasingly reliant on taxpayer spending, could ever
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Speaker 2: be convinced to wind back big government to do things
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Speaker 2: for ourselves more responsibly, more sustainably. Shevard's assessment was sobering.
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Speaker 5: What's happened.
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Speaker 6: The spenderth on we had with COVID has got the
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Speaker 6: people state governments and governments and federal government used to
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Speaker 6: handing out money and taking money. So we've created a
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Speaker 6: sort of a population now which expects this to continue
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Speaker 6: despite the fact that COVID's over. We've bred a population
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Speaker 6: in recent time which has got used to being looked
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Speaker 6: after and finding money coming from the government, whether it
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Speaker 6: be state or federal. So I think we've got a
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Speaker 6: real challenge.
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Speaker 2: There are also those two wonderful regulars here on Kredlin
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Speaker 2: at ARC today, John and as it of course justenter
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Speaker 2: nampajimper price. They opened the day they opened. Indeed their
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Speaker 2: panel appearance with a wonderful video is a little bit
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Speaker 2: of it for you to enjoy.
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Speaker 7: I think it's fair to say to Center that you
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Speaker 7: and I, regardless of what's happened in the past, passionately
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Speaker 7: believe in moving forward together as Australians as one we
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Speaker 7: have to break through I think of being, if you like,
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Speaker 7: defined by the past.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's important to understand about who we are as
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Speaker 8: a country from our history, and not for the purpose
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Speaker 8: of weaponizing that history against anybody, but just to have
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Speaker 8: a better understanding of who we are.
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Speaker 7: The democratic, even egalitarian spirit and the colonies was very strong,
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Speaker 7: and these places, so far from Britain nonetheless had some
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Speaker 7: of the highest wages in the world, not to mention
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Speaker 7: pioneering the eight hour workday. By the end of the
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Speaker 7: eighteen fifties, most colonies had their own constitution and effectively
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Speaker 7: had full manhood suffrage, which generally included Aboriginal men. England
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Speaker 7: would not achieve full manhood suffrage until nineteen eighteen. America
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Speaker 7: still kept slaves, largely owing to the tireless campaigning of
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Speaker 7: the Women's Christian Temperance Union. Women in South Australia were
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Speaker 7: granted the vote as early as eighteen ninety four, and
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Speaker 7: all Australian women could vote federally by nineteen oh two.
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Speaker 7: Women in England would wait another twenty six years for
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Speaker 7: the same rights the colonies had democracy, industry, why the
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Speaker 7: available private property, religious freedom and universal education from very
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Speaker 7: early days, but there were still unfinished business. Throughout the
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Speaker 7: eighteen nineties, four Conventions debated and discussed what a constitution
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Speaker 7: for a single nation under the Southern Cross should be.
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Speaker 7: Adopting the best of the Westminster System and the American Constitution,
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Speaker 7: the Federation Delegates produced one of the most stable constitutional
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Speaker 7: systems of the modern world. And so these most precious
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Speaker 7: and secure foundations of modern Australia were laid down by
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Speaker 7: countless men and women. They were not perfect, and dark
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Speaker 7: deeds happened on the sunny Land. But while we acknowledge
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Speaker 7: the darkness of the past, we have also chosen not
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Speaker 7: to be defined by Our story is mostly of ordinary
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Speaker 7: people pursuing ordinary ends. But together they built something extraordinary
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Speaker 7: for all of us to cherish.
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Speaker 2: Together, Let's celebrate our history, let's reject, as John Anderson says,
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Speaker 2: the left's story of shame. Now early in the new year,
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Speaker 2: in February, over four thousand people will meet again in
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Speaker 2: London to keep the work of Urk forward, as we
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Speaker 2: on the conservative side start the fight back against what
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Speaker 2: we are told by the Left is the inevitable decline
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Speaker 2: of Western civilization. As Neil Ferguson said, and as we
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Speaker 2: all showed in the Voice referendum, now is the time
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Speaker 2: we need the silent majority to take up the fight
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Speaker 2: because if they stay silent, if you stay silent, we
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Speaker 2: will be a majority no longer. It's a fantastic day,
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Speaker 2: good food for the soul. All right, Let's head to
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Speaker 2: Camber now for the political headlines with Sky News political
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Speaker 2: reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 9: Good evening, the King and Queen are rounding out their
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Speaker 9: visit in Australia, meeting with fans in the shadows of
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Speaker 9: the Sydney Opera House. Crowds pack the iconic forecourt to
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Speaker 9: catch a glimpse or say gooday, I like.
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Speaker 10: The old family, so I'm here to spot in Charles
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Speaker 10: and Queen Canilla.
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Speaker 9: Earlier in the day, the King embraced members of the
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Speaker 9: Stolen Generations in Redfern before heading out west for a
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Speaker 9: community barbecue with the new South Wales Premier in Paramatta.
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Speaker 11: We get to tell our family and our friends that
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Speaker 11: we had a barbecue with the King and the Queen.
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Speaker 11: It's not the kind of thing that you'll easily forget.
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Speaker 9: Concluding their visit, Tonight, the King and Queen will head
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Speaker 9: from Sydney to Samoa, where they'll meet with leaders of
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Speaker 9: the Commonwealth Nations. The Queensland leader of Kata's Australian Party
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Speaker 9: has sensationally backed away from plans to introduce a bill
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Speaker 9: that would restrict access to abortion.
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Speaker 6: What I'm determined to do is put back in the
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Speaker 6: Babies Born Live bill, which you're saying, if the babies
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Speaker 6: planned abortion, it comes out breathing the heartbeat, they can
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Speaker 6: just give us some care and dignity.
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Speaker 12: So you're not expecting any progress here.
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Speaker 9: No uncertainty around how members of the LNP would vote
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Speaker 9: on this bill has to the opposition for much of
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Speaker 9: its campaign. Many are still resentful over the twenty eighteen
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Speaker 9: decision to decriminalize abortion statewide.
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Speaker 2: The real question is why is David chris a feeling
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Speaker 2: hiding what he believes when it comes to a woman's
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Speaker 2: right to choose.
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Speaker 9: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot to get through. There isn't there to
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Speaker 2: do that. I'm joined by Sky News Political editor Andrew Clanell. Andrew,
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Speaker 2: we'll start with some news you broke this afternoon. An
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Speaker 2: exclusive story about the New South Wales Liberal Party being
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Speaker 2: in danger of another federal election defeat.
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Speaker 12: What's going on, Well, Peter, it's just taking too long
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Speaker 12: to get a pre selection done for Robertson on the
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Speaker 12: Central Coast, one of the key targets for Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 12: As we come up to this election, they still haven't
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Speaker 12: come up with a pre selection date. We saw the
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Speaker 12: federal takeover of the party, but party sources mystified as
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Speaker 12: to why this process isn't being fast tracked. They need
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Speaker 12: someone in the field good and read the labor can
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Speaker 12: it's been doorknocking there for three years. And the other
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Speaker 12: mysterious thing is they're looking at running Lucy Weeks again
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Speaker 12: and obviously she failed last time and lost the seat.
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Speaker 12: It's only a two point three percent margin. That, together
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Speaker 12: with the fact that they haven't got a candidate yet
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Speaker 12: for mckeller against Sophie Scomps, it's got a feeling of
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Speaker 12: deja vu about it, because of course there was that
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Speaker 12: infighting in the factions at the last election which saw
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Speaker 12: people only pre selected sort of a matter of a
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Speaker 12: couple of weeks out, a few weeks out from when
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Speaker 12: the election was called. So you'd hope they get on
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Speaker 12: with those pre selection processes and get organized, Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 12: It's gotten a hard enough mountain of climb as it
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Speaker 12: is without these sort of shenanigans.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong. Back in twenty ten when Tony Adam
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Speaker 2: was up against Julia Gillard in that election, they pre
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Speaker 2: selected I think it was five seats in New South
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Speaker 2: Wales on the day the election was called. Now, Abbott
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Speaker 2: and Gilli were a tie. He lost the negotiation. She
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Speaker 2: got the Greens and others over the line. But if
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Speaker 2: he had won one extra seat out of news ath Wales, well,
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Speaker 2: history would have been changed. And I think that's that's
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Speaker 2: what's playing on Dutton's mind.
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Speaker 12: I've got no doubt absolutely. I mean, this sort of
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Speaker 12: stuff is just, you know, it's basics and it's critical
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Speaker 12: and the Labor Party just does it better. They're just
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Speaker 12: better organized and they you know they I mean, there's
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Speaker 12: criticism of this at times, but when it's an urgent matter,
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Speaker 12: they throw democracy out of the window and they run
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Speaker 12: the leader's candidate. And we've seen some pre selections in
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Speaker 12: recent times where Peter Dutton's candidate hasn't got up, and
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Speaker 12: I think that's probably a bad thing, all right.
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Speaker 2: We played a grad before of Peter Dutton saying that
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Speaker 2: Lydia thought should think about her future after those comments
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Speaker 2: aimed at the King yesterday. And he's not the only one, no,
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Speaker 2: but Paris Nashall, Langton, a whole lot of other Indigenous elders.
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Speaker 2: They've rebuked her stunt. But today thought Tylerie obseas she's
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Speaker 2: not going anywhere.
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Speaker 11: I will be there for another three years everybody, so
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Speaker 11: you know, get used to truth telling.
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Speaker 5: My approach unfortunately.
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Speaker 11: Might upset a few people, but how else do you
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Speaker 11: get your message across Now?
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Speaker 2: I caught her a shrew last night. Some in the
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Speaker 2: British media have called her a moron. I don't think
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Speaker 2: that's too tough either. This is about the fact to
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Speaker 2: me that she's no longer agreed of course Andrew. So
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Speaker 2: she needs stunts and infamy in order to hold a
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Speaker 2: spot in the Senate. That's what's driving this.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. So the more attention
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Speaker 12: you get, the more of a chance as an independent
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Speaker 12: you'll get a vote. And it is hard for independence
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Speaker 12: to get re elected. You look at people like Rex
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Speaker 12: Patrick who fall by the wayside after one term, and
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Speaker 12: there's always the argument if you run for a party
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Speaker 12: and get elected with them, that you should you should
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Speaker 12: relinquish your Senate spot because it doesn't cause a by
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Speaker 12: election once you've left that party. Obviously, she and Fatima
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Speaker 12: payment are in that category, and there have been many others. Look,
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Speaker 12: let your thoughts. Behavior is pretty outlandish. I can tell
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Speaker 12: you that last sitting week that we had in Canberra,
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Speaker 12: I was told she was wandering through the corridors pass
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Speaker 12: Dozzie's cafe, et cetera, yelling out freedom of Palestine and
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Speaker 12: no one in particular. So this pretty much goes with
21:05
Speaker 12: her kind of conduct. Now, of course, if you're in
21:08
Speaker 12: the chamber, you just get punted, you get kicked out.
21:10
Speaker 12: There is an order orderly process there here. The King
21:14
Speaker 12: apparently couldn't hear her even or what she was saying,
21:16
Speaker 12: just saw someone shouting it was easy, and not on
21:21
Speaker 12: stage as well. So yeah, I mean she was thrown out.
21:26
Speaker 12: But it's it's been put to me tonight actually that
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Speaker 12: basically this will mean that in future she's just not
21:34
Speaker 12: invited to think enough. Prime Minister and Cabinet were in
21:37
Speaker 12: charge of the invites there. I think she'll be getting
21:40
Speaker 12: a lot.
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Speaker 2: Less, right, You revealed over the weekend that Labor will
21:43
Speaker 2: not be taking any tax reforms to the next election.
21:46
Speaker 2: Despite all that speculation about capital gains, discount reform and
21:51
Speaker 2: negative gearing, there was a poll in the Financial Review
21:54
Speaker 2: today that said voters are happy enough with the status quo.
21:57
Speaker 2: Young Australians in particular, fear changes could for up rent
22:01
Speaker 2: prices put home ownership further out of reach. Now you
22:05
Speaker 2: say they're not going to have a tax reform agenda
22:08
Speaker 2: at the next election, do we believe them?
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Speaker 1: All?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 12: Well, I've been told in no, in certain terms, no
22:14
Speaker 12: tax reform agenda. Those are the terms you used to me.
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Speaker 12: No CGT change on property, No negative gearing. Not even
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Speaker 12: the taxing on trust, which is always one which I
22:25
Speaker 12: reckon would be a little less controversial because it affects
22:28
Speaker 12: less people. If it was up to Jim Chalmers, I
22:31
Speaker 12: think it'd be totally different. But that is Albanezi stance.
22:34
Speaker 12: I can tell you that right now.
22:35
Speaker 2: I want to get this one in before we go
22:38
Speaker 2: election timing, you know, like it's a mug's game. I know,
22:41
Speaker 2: but we're due to have the twenty thirty five announcement
22:45
Speaker 2: on the emissions targets in February it's legislated. We know
22:50
Speaker 2: that there was a letter from Chris Bowen to the
22:54
Speaker 2: head of the then Climate Authority, Grant King, that says
22:57
Speaker 2: I want all of this analysis from you and your
22:59
Speaker 2: advice about what this target should be on my desk
23:03
Speaker 2: on the first of October. That's three weeks ago. There's
23:07
Speaker 2: a lot of speculation that the new target, of course
23:09
Speaker 2: will hit agriculture, so it'll be much tougher, our power
23:12
Speaker 2: prices will be much higher, and there's a lot of
23:16
Speaker 2: concern about what this would do in an election setting.
23:18
Speaker 2: We know when they do their March budget and it'll
23:20
Speaker 2: be deficits as far as the eye can see. When
23:23
Speaker 2: Obill Shorten is doing is validictory and others are. Before
23:27
Speaker 2: the Parliament rises for Christmas, I'm pretty convinced now they'll
23:32
Speaker 2: call at some time around Australia Day that Parliament will
23:35
Speaker 2: not return next year because they don't want to tell
23:38
Speaker 2: us what this new target could be.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think someday agenda resumes next year on Australia,
23:44
Speaker 12: so that'll be handy Peter. But no, I'm not so sure.
23:47
Speaker 12: I am actually not so sure. I think it's an option,
23:51
Speaker 12: but I think they'd wait to see what the Reserve
23:53
Speaker 12: Bank do in February, and that'd be the only way
23:55
Speaker 12: it's an option. I think they're still favoring May with
23:58
Speaker 12: March possibility, so I'm covering myself here. You could be
24:02
Speaker 12: proved to be correct, but I think that's their plan
24:05
Speaker 12: at the moment is May. We'll see sooner.
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Speaker 2: There's games of what I reckon. Andrew cleanw I'll see
24:11
Speaker 2: you on Saturday night here on this desk the Queensland
24:14
Speaker 2: state election. All right, excellent, we'll catch up then, but
24:17
Speaker 2: we'll go now after Queensland because, as I said, the
24:20
Speaker 2: voter's head at the polls on Saturday. We're here Saturday
24:22
Speaker 2: night at Sky News. It's an epic battle between Steven
24:25
Speaker 2: Miles and David chris A Foley. It will be actually
24:28
Speaker 2: the first contest as leader for both men. Miles of
24:31
Speaker 2: course elevated after Premier Palichet tap the mat and chris
24:34
Speaker 2: A fully replaced Dev Frecklington after the last election. Now
24:39
Speaker 2: there's about eight hundred thousand Queenslanders having already cast their vote.
24:45
Speaker 2: But tonight those that haven't cast their vote, I hope
24:47
Speaker 2: they tune in and watch the People's Forum here on
24:50
Speaker 2: Sky News. We'll get into that now with someone who
24:53
Speaker 2: will be there on the floor, Career Mail editor Chris Jones. Chris,
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time. We love these people's forum
25:00
Speaker 2: because they are well. I didn't love it when I
25:02
Speaker 2: work for the leader, the political leader in a campaign,
25:04
Speaker 2: because they are so unpredictable. But these are top of
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Speaker 2: mind issues and concerns of ordinary people put to the politicians.
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Speaker 2: We watch how they react to, whether they get flustered,
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Speaker 2: whether they are answer in straightforward terms. What do you reckon?
25:19
Speaker 2: Are the defining issues of this Queensland campaign?
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Speaker 3: Can I Peter, welcome to sunny Queensland here or at
25:27
Speaker 3: some Corps stadium. These are great events. They're always so
25:30
Speaker 3: much fun because it's the only time during the campaign
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Speaker 3: when the leaders face people who haven't been put in
25:37
Speaker 3: front of them or journalists. So this is when the
25:40
Speaker 3: real voters come out and ask exactly what is on
25:44
Speaker 3: their minds. It'll be interesting to see whether some of
25:47
Speaker 3: the issues that have so far defined the campaign, youth crime,
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Speaker 3: cost of living, the back and forth over abortion law
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Speaker 3: reform or not, whether they come up tonight. I think
25:58
Speaker 3: what we'll see is a whole lot of left field questions.
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Speaker 3: We've been running, Peter, every day a poll and an
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Speaker 3: invite on our website say to our readers you can
26:07
Speaker 3: ask a question that will put to the leaders each day.
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Speaker 3: And the range of questions that have come we've been
26:12
Speaker 3: putting to the leaders this day have been fantastic, Peter.
26:14
Speaker 3: So I'm really looking forward to see this group here
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Speaker 3: of underside of voters tonight to see what they put
26:19
Speaker 3: the leaders on the spot with.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's stop polling. You know, for months there
26:24
Speaker 2: it was like there was no chance for Labor to
26:27
Speaker 2: win or hold on to power. There's a poll out.
26:30
Speaker 2: The latest poll from Resolve Strategic says that the gap
26:34
Speaker 2: is narrowing. Labor has narrowed the leader that the LMP's
26:37
Speaker 2: had for much of the campaign. Labors surged ten points
26:40
Speaker 2: up to thirty two. Up to thirty two, I have
26:43
Speaker 2: to say the support for the l andp's fall and
26:45
Speaker 2: four points to forty percent before in front of It's
26:48
Speaker 2: good on the coalition side. I'd expect tightening in the
26:52
Speaker 2: last fine weeks of a campaign. But chance your arm
26:55
Speaker 2: could Labor perhaps hold on to power.
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Speaker 3: Well, they certainly won't get a majority. Based on those figures.
27:03
Speaker 3: The two party preferred even in that pole is still
27:06
Speaker 3: fifty five forty five. Now that's a long way from
27:10
Speaker 3: even the fifty two to forty eight where the result
27:13
Speaker 3: was when at a stage of Palichet exited stage left
27:16
Speaker 3: at the end of last year. So look, I can't
27:18
Speaker 3: see that happening. Obviously. It will just come down to
27:20
Speaker 3: those individual seats. It's not going to be the sixty
27:24
Speaker 3: forty landslide that we saw in twenty twelve when Camil
27:28
Speaker 3: Newman was swept to power and a bly swept out.
27:31
Speaker 3: I think this will be a campaign where it'll come
27:34
Speaker 3: down to those seats and it looks really bad for
27:36
Speaker 3: the LMP in the regions. It will be those outer
27:39
Speaker 3: suburbs sort of seats that will be whether the L
27:42
Speaker 3: ANDP managed to get there and get that magic number
27:45
Speaker 3: to get them over for a majority. If not, you're
27:48
Speaker 3: going to see Labor have to cobble together some sort
27:51
Speaker 3: of weird coalition with the cross Bench, which will include
27:54
Speaker 3: the Catters Australian Party that've been playing silly blight as
27:57
Speaker 3: this whole election.
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Speaker 5: Peter, we will.
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Speaker 2: Watch with interest tonight, Thank you, Chris, and you can
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Speaker 2: catch that People's Forum tonight on sky News of course
28:06
Speaker 2: at six point thirty live on local time. I'll be here,
28:10
Speaker 2: as I said, to talk to you about the election
28:13
Speaker 2: as the results come in. Here on sky News Election
28:16
Speaker 2: Queensland coverage on the weekend Saturday night, right after the break.
28:19
Speaker 2: A big announcement overnight for our defense for cure Man.
28:21
Speaker 2: But is it just that an announcement little more than
28:24
Speaker 2: that tobacco up And when can we actually see some
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Speaker 2: of these new missiles the government's touting. Plus another regional community,
28:31
Speaker 2: is it come and get me hard? This one wants
28:33
Speaker 2: support to push back against a massive wind farm project.
28:37
Speaker 2: It's on its way and they are cranky. Plus a
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Speaker 2: live update the King and Queen wrapping up their Australian
28:43
Speaker 2: tour and all those crowds are to you and Republicans
28:45
Speaker 2: aren't happy welcome back. Still to come yet another community
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Speaker 2: having a massive wind farm proposal being foisted upon them.
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Speaker 2: This one will be the biggest in the Southern Hemisphere
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Speaker 2: if it goes ahead. But before we get into that
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Speaker 2: and some expert analysis on that big defense announcement, let's
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Speaker 2: cross live. Sky News reported Julia Bradley Well I said
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Speaker 2: this as we went into the rag Jewels, those scenes
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Speaker 2: today out in the front of the Opera House would
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Speaker 2: have upset every Republican and including people like Lydia Thorpe,
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Speaker 2: which I don't mind upsetting. Huge crowds out there on
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Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor, all lining up to meet their majesties, lots
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Speaker 2: of young people in the crowd too, and so much
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Speaker 2: enthusiasm there was, Peter.
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Speaker 13: It was quite a contrast compared with some of the
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Speaker 13: scenes that we saw yesterday in Canberra. It was a
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Speaker 13: lot of love for their majesties. This afternoon here in
29:43
Speaker 13: Sydney we saw people Royal fans, young and old, traveling
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Speaker 13: from far and wide, lining up from incredibly early in
29:51
Speaker 13: the afternoon so that they could get that perfect spot
29:54
Speaker 13: to see the King and Queen or perhaps even have
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Speaker 13: that opportunity to have a quick conversation with them.
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Speaker 2: A lot of young people as.
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Speaker 13: Well, as you mentioned, students at schools studying the Royals,
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Speaker 13: fascinated by that history and really just happy to be
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Speaker 13: here and to be part of that historic moment. This
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Speaker 13: was the first real opportunity for people in Sydney to
30:16
Speaker 13: get amongst it and feel that Royal fever. We saw
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Speaker 13: the Royal couple at the top of the steps here
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Speaker 13: at the Sydney Opera House. It was when they made
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Speaker 13: their way down that the cheers really started and that
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Speaker 13: continued a lot of people really just happy to be
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Speaker 13: here and soaking all of that up on such a
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Speaker 13: beautiful afternoon in Sydney, the Harbour City absolutely turning it
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Speaker 13: on with gorgeous weather. It was after that meet and
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Speaker 13: greet they then took part in that Royal Australian Navy
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Speaker 13: Fleet review and there was a Defense Force flyover. This
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Speaker 13: was King Charles's seventeenth visit to Australia fifteen in an
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Speaker 13: official capacity. For the first time we've seen King Charles
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Speaker 13: Queen Camilla out here visiting since they ascended the throne.
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Speaker 13: So a great opportunity for these royal fans.
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Speaker 2: And of course they're heading up now. They're off to Choggham.
31:03
Speaker 2: We had a barbecue there with the Premium before they left.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Julia, you've had a busy couple of days.
31:07
Speaker 2: Great tavy on the program. Well let's move now to
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Speaker 2: the news over nine that Australia will spend seven billion
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Speaker 2: dollars over the next decade our new air and missile
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Speaker 2: defense systems under a new agreement struck with the United States. Now,
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Speaker 2: on the face of it, this looks like the right
31:21
Speaker 2: move where going to acquire standard missile two and Standard
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Speaker 2: missile six weapons in a deal that's already been improved
31:28
Speaker 2: by the US Congress. But like so much in the
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Speaker 2: area of defense procurement, plenty of questions remain, like what's
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Speaker 2: the time frame here? We're talking about how many missiles
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Speaker 2: will we actually see for seven billion? Joined me the
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Speaker 2: unravel some of that. Director at Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Schubridge. Well, Michael,
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time. What do you make this
31:50
Speaker 2: announcement because the minister said he's not going to give
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Speaker 2: us a timeline of when we will see these missiles
31:56
Speaker 2: rolled out on Australian warships or any much any detail
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Speaker 2: much more than that, he says, for operational reasons. Do
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Speaker 2: you buy that?
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Speaker 14: No, I don't, Peter. I think Pat Conroy's media releases
32:11
Speaker 14: should come with rainbows, unicorns and lollipops over them. They're
32:16
Speaker 14: they're creations of fancy. This is this announcement is a
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Speaker 14: rewarmed meal with.
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Speaker 5: A dash of deception.
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Speaker 14: So the reason he doesn't want to say when we're
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Speaker 14: getting the missiles is because he knows that would be embarrassing.
32:31
Speaker 14: He talked about this is accelerated. But the three classes
32:35
Speaker 14: of ship they're going to go on to are the
32:37
Speaker 14: air warfare destroyers. The three of those are going to
32:39
Speaker 14: be out for years each doing refits, the general purpose frigates,
32:43
Speaker 14: a ship that we haven't even chosen the design for yet,
32:47
Speaker 14: and the hunter frigates, which are over a decade away.
32:51
Speaker 14: And the deception is he talked about these missiles like
32:53
Speaker 14: they were strike weapons. These are defensive missiles to deal
32:57
Speaker 14: their counter missile missile.
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Speaker 2: So there was a press release we dug it out
33:03
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty one. This is an announcement by the
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Speaker 2: US State Department saying that they had made a determination
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Speaker 2: to approve the possible sale of these missiles to the
33:13
Speaker 2: Australian government. So effectively, we got an announcement today about
33:17
Speaker 2: something that the US government signed off in the middle
33:20
Speaker 2: of the pandemic in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 14: Yes, these weapon programs were funded in the twenty sixteen
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Speaker 14: Defense White Paper. This is just a rolling program by
33:33
Speaker 14: the Navy. In fact, it shouldn't really be called a
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Speaker 14: Conroy president out press release. This is just the unaccountable
33:40
Speaker 14: defense bureaucracy doing what it does regardless of who's in government.
33:45
Speaker 14: What we really need are timelines, numbers and what's the
33:49
Speaker 14: resupply arrangement when we run out? Because you run out
33:52
Speaker 14: of these missiles fast.
33:54
Speaker 2: How good are you, Michael shuvign I? Thing much gets
33:56
Speaker 2: past you. Everyone else who fell for the trap in
33:58
Speaker 2: the headlines today, we haven't done it here on Credline
34:01
Speaker 2: because you're here to inform us and keep them on us. Hey.
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Speaker 2: I spoke to Neil Ferguson today. He wrote in the
34:07
Speaker 2: papers that Australia, the world actually is asleep at the wheel.
34:11
Speaker 2: When I spoke to him after his ARK presentation this morning,
34:15
Speaker 2: he went further. He had this to say.
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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin said in July of twenty twenty one that
34:22
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian Russian people belonged together in an article that
34:26
Speaker 1: essentially promised the annexation of Ukraine, and we utterly fail
34:30
Speaker 1: to deter him from the invasion that happened the following February.
34:35
Speaker 1: Right now, we know from very good intelligence sources that
34:39
Speaker 1: she Jinping has told the Chinese military to be ready
34:41
Speaker 1: for war in twenty twenty seven. And I don't think
34:45
Speaker 1: that means there will be war in twenty twenty seven,
34:47
Speaker 1: But I do think that it raises the probability that
34:50
Speaker 1: sometime this decade there's going to be a showdown.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's pretty chilling. Do you think it's accurate, Michael?
34:58
Speaker 2: I do, Peter.
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Speaker 14: I think we've got to start taking nasty authoritarian leaders
35:03
Speaker 14: at their word when they say things. Putin did say
35:06
Speaker 14: he was going to attack Ukraine. He did, a whole
35:09
Speaker 14: lot of people said he won't because we don't want
35:12
Speaker 14: him to. Shi Jingping is building his military for war
35:15
Speaker 14: and says so.
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Speaker 2: And he's made it very clear, hasn't he very public
35:19
Speaker 2: that the date of twenty twenty seven is exactly where
35:23
Speaker 2: he's looking to. And you look at his age to Michael,
35:25
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, his early seventies. Now you
35:29
Speaker 2: know he's got a clock winding down on his own mortality.
35:34
Speaker 14: I think that the timeline for Chinese military aggression of
35:38
Speaker 14: Taiwan is tied to she's timeline, his personal clock. And
35:43
Speaker 14: fortunately he's not a mortal.
35:45
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for that too, Right, Michael, she would take you
35:48
Speaker 2: as always, She's as good is he?
35:50
Speaker 4: All?
35:50
Speaker 1: Right?
35:50
Speaker 2: After the break, regional community is fighting back plans to
35:54
Speaker 2: now build the biggest wind farm in the summer hemisphere.
35:59
Speaker 2: Cranky locals will join me soon, but Donald Trump gains
36:03
Speaker 2: ground in the polls. Just two weeks to go now
36:05
Speaker 2: until the US election. Welcome back. Still to come. The
36:12
Speaker 2: worrying signs for the Harris campaign as Trump pulls ahead
36:15
Speaker 2: in a number of high quality national polls. It really
36:18
Speaker 2: looks like momentums with it. But we'll see, we'll see,
36:21
Speaker 2: we'll get that analysis at a moment. But first, yet
36:23
Speaker 2: another regional community pushing back against the position of a
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Speaker 2: massive wind farm. This time it's the New South Wales
36:30
Speaker 2: community of Oberon, with developers Strong Low Energy and tag
36:35
Speaker 2: Energy planning to install at these two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: wind towers in the Oberon Oberon Pine Forests that are
36:43
Speaker 2: owned and managed by the Forestry Corporation of New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: Now these are tall, They're as big as a center
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Speaker 2: Point tower in Sydney City. Joining to be now to
36:52
Speaker 2: discuss this and the community concerns. Oberon Against wind Towers
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Speaker 2: Committee Member Chris Muldoon. Chris, welcome to the program. Am
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Speaker 2: I just mentioned, I just mentioned where they're going to
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Speaker 2: be placed. Two hundred and fifty plus. The height is
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Speaker 2: just extraordinary. I mean the height of the Center Point
37:11
Speaker 2: tower in Sydney. Give us a sense of what the
37:15
Speaker 2: community reaction has been to this proposal.
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Speaker 5: Well, well, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 11: You know, our small regional town at the west end
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Speaker 11: of the Blue Mountains is about to be smashed to
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Speaker 11: split the eaths by you know, what is the largest
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Speaker 11: wind farm in the Southern Hemisphere. It's a bit hard
37:31
Speaker 11: to believe, but you're right. Three hundred center point towers
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Speaker 11: in a small regional community that we find hard to
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Speaker 11: believe that any planning authority in the world would approve
37:40
Speaker 11: something which was so invasive. You know that the noise pollution.
37:45
Speaker 11: Can you imagine two hundred and fifty winter towers out size,
37:48
Speaker 11: just simply the noise pollution.
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Speaker 5: But you've also got to remember that.
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Speaker 11: They're planning and building these on the edge of the
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Speaker 11: Blue Mountains in ESCO World Heritage Park, which we find
37:58
Speaker 11: extraordinary that an invasive wind tower on such an important
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Speaker 11: environmental park and natural park on a global scale.
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Speaker 5: But the third issue.
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Speaker 11: Here is that you mentioned about the Pine forest, is
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Speaker 11: that they planning are putting two hundred and fifty highly
38:16
Speaker 11: flammable wind towers. It's a highly combustible pine forests. You know,
38:21
Speaker 11: we're a strange we're scared of bush fires. So that's
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Speaker 11: another element of the decision which we find extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: We've seen cases elsewhere where these turbines and motors in
38:32
Speaker 2: the turbines have caught fire. You mentioned, they're obviously the
38:35
Speaker 2: fire risk. I know from stories I've done on this
38:37
Speaker 2: issue down in Victoria. You can't use aerial fire bombardments.
38:41
Speaker 2: You can't use aeroplanes anywhere near these turbines to try
38:46
Speaker 2: and put out the fires those pine forests, and we've
38:49
Speaker 2: seen this in many a bush fire are like an accelerant,
38:52
Speaker 2: They go up like anything and the fires. Then promulgated
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Speaker 2: what sort of consultation has your community had? I mean,
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Speaker 2: how did you find out about this proposal?
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Speaker 5: Look, I mean it's a really contentious point.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 11: Forestry they balked from day one. They said consultation, that's
39:08
Speaker 11: not our responsibility. We will appoint a renewable energy developer
39:11
Speaker 11: and they can come and consult with the community. So
39:14
Speaker 11: they've appointed these European based companies Tag and Stromlow who
39:19
Speaker 11: have had a few drop in sessions, but they haven't
39:21
Speaker 11: had a community consultation. They haven't brought the community together.
39:26
Speaker 11: But you know what, and excuse my language of Peter,
39:28
Speaker 11: but we see community consultation is a crop.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's a box ticking exercise.
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Speaker 2: These people have.
39:34
Speaker 5: Come down for the renewable gold rush. The more towers
39:37
Speaker 5: they build, the more money they make.
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Speaker 11: They're not going to sit here and listen to people
39:40
Speaker 11: from Oberon about the quantity of towels or the location
39:43
Speaker 11: of towels. We have competing interests, so community consultation and
39:47
Speaker 11: we've decided from day one that we're not going to
39:49
Speaker 11: plug ourselves into that process because that is just playing
39:52
Speaker 11: into their hands.
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Speaker 5: We are working around that.
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Speaker 11: We will fight this every step of the way, but
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Speaker 11: it won't be as part of the consultation process because,
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Speaker 11: as I say, and excuse me again, it is a crop.
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Speaker 2: Look, this story has been replicated around the country, Chris.
40:05
Speaker 2: These are generally foreign consortiums, rightly, you point out, coming
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Speaker 2: here to suck up the taxpayer subsidies. The profits that
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Speaker 2: come out of these wind farms are shunting back to
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Speaker 2: their own home countries for the benefit of their citizens,
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Speaker 2: and communities like yours in Oberon are left with this
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Speaker 2: enormous legacy. You'll get fifteen to twenty years out of
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Speaker 2: these wind turbines. You get left what to rust in
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Speaker 2: your pristine or once pristine national forest areas. I mean,
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Speaker 2: how angry are locals? How fired up are they? Are
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Speaker 2: they starting to mobilize against this? Give us a sense
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Speaker 2: of the sentiment on the ground.
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Speaker 5: Well, right from day one, we've had community meetings.
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Speaker 11: We've had a lot of small community Like in the
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Speaker 11: recent counsel actions there were thirty two hundred voters. It
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Speaker 11: excives you an indication of the size of our LGA.
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Speaker 11: But we've had two community meetings in more than five
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Speaker 11: hundred people that have attended.
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Speaker 5: Each of them.
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Speaker 11: But we've also started a very powerful should we're by
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Speaker 11: the landowners in our OLGA have signed onto a petition
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Speaker 11: and set aside their land holdings.
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Speaker 5: And we've got one hundred and twenty.
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Speaker 11: Thousand very strategic acres signed away by landowners who say
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Speaker 11: we will not be doing business with renewable energy companies,
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Speaker 11: with windteel companies. And this is very powerful because what
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Speaker 11: it means is that it's difficult to get a project
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Speaker 11: up and running if you haven't handcuffed and gagged the community,
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Speaker 11: because it is too risky as a lender, it's too
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Speaker 11: risky as an insurance, too risky. You need to get
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Speaker 11: these people signed away. And our people have been very
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Speaker 11: vigilant and very disciplined and they're not signing anything. And
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Speaker 11: I think that's probably the most powerful pushback we've got.
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Speaker 11: But as I said, this is a we're not a
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Speaker 11: passive community. We're well fundable, well resourced. Then will fight
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Speaker 11: it all the way.
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Speaker 2: I've just got there on the screen for people at
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Speaker 2: home Facebook, details of how locals or anyone really can
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Speaker 2: get on and support you and keep it up, keep
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Speaker 2: up the fight, support you in this fight. And as
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Speaker 2: I say to my viewers out there tonight, if you
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Speaker 2: know of anything like this in terms of renewable energy
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Speaker 2: forced on communities that you know and love, please is
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Speaker 2: Chris did get in contact with me here at Sky News.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, Chris, thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: Right after the break, we'll get you across the latest
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Speaker 2: the US election. Those polls, as I said, showing momentum
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Speaker 2: against Kamala Harris shifting ahead to Donald Trump in key
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Speaker 2: states plus we were told it was canceled, but worrying.
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Speaker 2: Signed Victoria is knee deep still and China's built and
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Speaker 2: wrote initiative by Stealth Wren that shortly I write some
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Speaker 2: international issues. Now I'm going to the US my panel
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Speaker 2: to discuss it all. Sky Need is contributa Kosher Gada
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Speaker 2: and the past chair of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs and
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Speaker 2: Defense Committee, the wonderful labor Man good Man Old Labor
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby Well. Two weeks to go until the US
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Speaker 2: election holes are tight. McDonald Trump continues to gain ground.
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Speaker 2: As clear as I said earlier, momentum is with him.
42:56
Speaker 2: In a recent Fox News poll of likely voters. He's
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Speaker 2: drawn ahead of Kamman Harris Trump's viral appearance that Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 2: McDonald's has drawn a lot of attension to the battle
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Speaker 2: to win over at the working class voters. And he's
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Speaker 2: got the campaign focus that every candidate wants. In the
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Speaker 2: last dying days of the race, it's all about Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: The poland guru Nate Silver has said the fact that
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Speaker 2: Trump has taken the lead in a number of high
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Speaker 2: quality national polls, he says, is not good news for
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Speaker 2: Harris Kosher. They're both focusing pretty tightly on those seven
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Speaker 2: battleground states. Can you explain the framing of them as
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Speaker 2: rust Belt seats or states and sun Belt states.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, so this election is going to come down to
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Speaker 15: these seven bavel ground steeds that we talk about at
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Speaker 15: three of them Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, or the rust
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Speaker 15: belt steeds that earned that Moniker because they basically were
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Speaker 15: the bastions of manufacturing, like the biggest manufacturing beast in
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Speaker 15: the Western Hemisphere and over the last forty years have
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Speaker 15: been hollowed out. There's lots of older, white working class
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Speaker 15: voters there that remember those times, are angry with the
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Speaker 15: different economic leadership and decisions that have been made over
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Speaker 15: the years. They typically have always voted Democrat, except for
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Speaker 15: twice Ronald Reagan won them over they were called Reagan Democrats,
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Speaker 15: and then Trump did in twenty sixteen. So that's sort
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Speaker 15: of one block and they're going to be moved by
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Speaker 15: some of those issues that are important to the working class.
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Speaker 15: And in the sun Belt states are North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia,
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Speaker 15: and Nevada, which are in play for this as battleground states.
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Speaker 15: That name is more just because of the weather. They're
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Speaker 15: actually all quite different, but what they share in common
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Speaker 15: is a lot of them are border states, three of them,
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Speaker 15: and so the immigration issue is really hitting close to
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Speaker 15: home for them, it has been for some time. And
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Speaker 15: they've also undergone a big demographic shift in the last
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Speaker 15: forty years with lots of Hispanics that have come in
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Speaker 15: and the issues that pertain to them. So all of
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Speaker 15: the issues that resonate with those two things are what
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Speaker 15: you're going to see the campaigns really focus in on
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Speaker 15: and hone in on in these last two weeks to go.
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Speaker 2: Michael I mentioned the Old Labor man and I mean
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Speaker 2: that not disparagingly, because Old Labor used to be the
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Speaker 2: party of the working class, that understood the that could
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Speaker 2: read the electorate. Not so the Kirs Dahma party in
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Speaker 2: the U at the UK, not so the Democrats anymore.
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Speaker 2: And I have to say not so the Old and
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Speaker 2: Easy Party in Canberra. So who do you think is
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Speaker 2: winning the fight for the working class?
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Speaker 16: Well after the twenty twenty two congressional results, Peter and Kosher,
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Speaker 16: where you know, we have to be very cautious in
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Speaker 16: our estimates. Interestingly, at the Steelers game in Pittsburgh, there's
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Speaker 16: two narratives. Trump was either booed or the crowd chanted
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Speaker 16: USA Usa. I suppose you had to be there to judge,
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Speaker 16: but I think the working class segments of the Hispanic
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Speaker 16: and Black communities, particularly younger males, may be the.
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Speaker 5: Decision maker in this election.
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Speaker 16: Eighty one percent of young Black men supported Obama, but
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Speaker 16: only forty one percent support Camea, and fifty percent of
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Speaker 16: younger Hispanic men seem to be supporting Trump. So we
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Speaker 16: can't tell because the results were in the appalling was
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Speaker 16: different national and statewide. But if one hundred thousand pro
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Speaker 16: Gaza Arab vote in Michigan stays away from the polls,
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Speaker 16: that unintentionally again may help Trump.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's move now to the UK. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister their Kirstarma. He's ruled out reparation payments for colonialism
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Speaker 2: following Lydia Thorpe's outburst in front of the King in
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Speaker 2: camera yesterday. The British people have been shocked by her protest.
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Speaker 2: It's made front pages in the UK. Now. I think
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Speaker 2: that's embarrassing. But it's embarrassing for her, of course it is,
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Speaker 2: But I think it's embarrassing for us as well. I
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Speaker 2: hope that the rest of the world Kosher understands that
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Speaker 2: we think she's as much as shrewd as they do.
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Speaker 15: I think the rest of the world recognizes that she
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Speaker 15: and her antics on the floor there are not representative
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Speaker 15: of Australians overall, and to the extent that the rest
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Speaker 15: of the world was following the voice referendum that is
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Speaker 15: proved positive of you know, where the country stands on
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Speaker 15: the particular issue that she was shouting about. Unfortunately, I
47:15
Speaker 15: also think the rest of the world probably recognizes something
47:17
Speaker 15: familiar here, that there is this sort of internal battle
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Speaker 15: going on in Australia, much as it is in other
47:23
Speaker 15: liberal democracies US UK, where there is this faction of
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Speaker 15: people that are just guided by racial and ethnic based
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Speaker 15: groupings and preferential treatment and affirmative action versions thereof, rather
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Speaker 15: than nationalism and unity at the nation level and the
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Speaker 15: democratic ideals that these countries were faced with. I think
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Speaker 15: it's a familiar showing and unfortunately this brought it. I
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Speaker 15: think on the international.
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Speaker 2: Stage's Sean, let's go to Victoria, Michael, because Victorian steel
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Speaker 2: fabricator is a feeling betrayed after learning that eleven thousand
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Speaker 2: tons of steel has been sourced from China. This is
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Speaker 2: for the twenty six billion Northeast Link road project. It's
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Speaker 2: one of many. But I'll tell you what. The government
48:05
Speaker 2: claimed initially that bridge girders were being sourced from overseas
48:08
Speaker 2: because local suppliers couldn't supply the available materials. However, the
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Speaker 2: CEO of Weld Australia, he's slammed that as an excuse.
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Speaker 2: He says that cost cutting because they've blown out the
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Speaker 2: budget is the real reason that it's being built with
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Speaker 2: imported Chinese steel. Now, when No Daniel Andrews has set
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Speaker 2: himself up, a company is out there making money from
48:32
Speaker 2: his Chinese connections. It's a Chinese linked company. I don't
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Speaker 2: know what I smell a round. Maybe this Belton Road
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Speaker 2: that we were told was gone is actually happening by stealth.
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Speaker 16: Anyway, Where is the leadership of the Metal Workers and
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Speaker 16: Australian Workers Union in this. This is a disgrace to them.
48:52
Speaker 16: This is an abrogation of their members working ability. This
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Speaker 16: is so we had train carriages sourced in Beijing rather
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Speaker 16: than Bendigo. This is the socialist Left and Kosher. They
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Speaker 16: don't air that. You know, we have these windmills being
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Speaker 16: built by Chinese slave labor, by wigas et cetera. You
49:17
Speaker 16: have to care about these kinds of things, because otherwise
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Speaker 16: you'll have China undercut us in all of these products.
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Speaker 16: As an already broke, Victorian governments are the lowest common denominated.
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Speaker 16: My brother in all tells me that the last screw manufacturer,
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Speaker 16: very famous company, is going out of business by the
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Speaker 16: end of the year in Victoria and all screws in
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Speaker 16: Australia are going to be supplied from China. It's insane.
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Speaker 16: I mean we won't be able to provide screws. I mean,
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Speaker 16: didn't we learn from the pharmaceutical issues during the COVID crisis.
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Wrong, I'll have to leave it there. A coach,
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Speaker 2: just before we go, what are you watching for in
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Speaker 2: the next last two weeks in the US election.
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Speaker 15: I just think you're going to see more retail politics
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Speaker 15: by the candidates and it's going to be closed for
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Speaker 15: the momentum is certainly in Drum's favor.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll watch you closely. Thank you both for
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Speaker 2: your time, see you next week. That's it for me tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back in Melbourne tomorrow as usual. Happy to
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Speaker 2: be home. Up next though. Sitting in the chair James
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Speaker 2: Gopherson for Andrew Bolt