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INTERVIEW: Mr. Dalvin & K-Ci Of Jodeci Talk ‘Forever My Lady 35th Anniversary Tour, New R&B Era, ‘Verzuz,’ Kurt Woodley, Barbara Jean And Poo-Poo. · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Hold up. Every day I wake up.
• 0:03
  Speaker 2: Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club. Y'all finished or
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: y'all done? Morning, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It's DJ Envy, Just Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God.
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  Speaker 1: We are The Breakfast Club. Law and the Rose is
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  Speaker 1: here as well. We got a special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Guest.
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  Speaker 1: We have Jodeci.
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: KC and Mr. Dava.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome, fellas.
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  Speaker 1: How y'all doing?
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  Speaker 4: How y'all doing this morning?
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  Speaker 5: I can't complain.
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  Speaker 1: It's early.
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  Speaker 6: I'm so happy to see y'all.
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  Speaker 4: That's what's up. I finally get to meet the legend.
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  Speaker 2: Nah. Anyway.
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  Speaker 7: Man, celebrating 35 years of forever, my goddamn lady.
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  Speaker 2: Forever, my lady. Lord have mercy. It don't seem like it.
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  Speaker 2: It don't?
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  Speaker 4: No, not really.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: But, you know, it's there.
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  Speaker 6: Does it not feel like it because the music is
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  Speaker 6: still so present and people remaking it and using it
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  Speaker 6: across TikTok and all the things or just because you
• 0:49
  Speaker 6: guys just don't feel it yet?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's a little bit of both. Like,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying? I mean, I guess like
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  Speaker 4: new artists keeping Jodeci live sampling the music and just
• 0:56
  Speaker 4: regurgitating over and over, you know what I'm saying? So
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  Speaker 4: I guess like You know, then going to shows and
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  Speaker 4: just seeing how fans still react to, you know, still
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  Speaker 4: screaming loud, like, you know, like teenage girls and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 8: What does that mean to y'all, though? Like, how do
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  Speaker 8: y'all feel all these years later? That's still happening.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's present day.
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  Speaker 5: 35 years of that. It makes us feel good, you know.
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  Speaker 5: It's still happening like that. But like I said, 35
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  Speaker 5: years of getting it, man. It's like, we feel like
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  Speaker 5: it's part of the routine now.
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  Speaker 6: That's what's up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the impact that y'all had from the
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  Speaker 3: 90s to the 2000s and how it's still just as
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  Speaker 3: relevant now. And I feel like with the R &
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  Speaker 3: B day parties and the day parties, that music, you
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  Speaker 3: still feel it.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think when we started recording the albums, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think you ever expected that. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: You're just going there without expectations. And you don't think, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to try to make a hit so it
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  Speaker 4: can just last. It just happens that way. If you do,
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  Speaker 4: I think that we wouldn't have put everything we had
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  Speaker 4: and everything we felt into the music, so it just
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  Speaker 4: stuck around. Like any other great artists, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying? Some are still around, like the Mays, Frankie Bell,
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  Speaker 4: even Michael Jackson, researchers of Michael Jackson, you know? You
• 1:57
  Speaker 4: go anywhere, you hear like little kids playing Michael Jackson,
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  Speaker 4: like Thriller, like it just came out last week. So
• 2:00
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like the same thing.
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  Speaker 7: When y'all listen to the album today, what do you
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  Speaker 7: hear that you didn't hear when y'all were young and
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  Speaker 7: recording it?
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  Speaker 5: Especially me. It's like they used to call me One
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  Speaker 5: Take K. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: You got to explain what that means.
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  Speaker 5: I would go in the booth when Devontae say like,
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  Speaker 5: it's my turn to go sing. I would nail it
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  Speaker 5: out like that, first take. First take and out. Now,
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  Speaker 5: when I listen to it, I'm like, you know what?
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  Speaker 5: I wish I would have did this. I wish I
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  Speaker 5: would have took my time.
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  Speaker 4: Really, really.
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  Speaker 5: I would have put my all into it. But it
• 2:35
  Speaker 5: was like, it was just so easy. But like I said,
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  Speaker 5: I wish I would have took my time. It would
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  Speaker 5: have been much, much better. And I'm saying this, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's right.
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  Speaker 1: It's not perfect.
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  Speaker 2: But you got to give me an example. What would
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  Speaker 2: you have changed? What's something you would have changed?
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  Speaker 5: I probably would have said, oh, yeah. I would have
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  Speaker 5: did something like, ooh, ooh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, cow shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: think for every great artist, even producers, like, you always
• 3:01
  Speaker 4: hear something you should've or would've done. Even actors, like,
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  Speaker 4: they look at themselves on the screen, it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we always gonna be our biggest credit and always gonna
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  Speaker 4: critique ourselves the worst, so even, like, You know, we
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  Speaker 4: sit down and we're like, man, we should have did that.
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  Speaker 4: We should have wrote that. We should have used this word.
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  Speaker 4: But you're always going to do this. It's a never-ending story.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all did five-minute and six-minute records back then. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: y'all had sex on a record where the girl is
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  Speaker 3: screaming on a record and it goes to the end,
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  Speaker 3: which is insane.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yo.
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  Speaker 3: So when y'all recorded that part, did y'all really think
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  Speaker 3: that was going to work?
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  Speaker 1: Because it worked.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, man, listen. KZ said that was big. It all
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  Speaker 4: became reality, I think, back then. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't really, I think it'd be a little offensive today,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't even know. Cause I mean, anything goes
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  Speaker 4: pretty much today. But I think for that era, I
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  Speaker 4: think that, you know, they, they gave us the label
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  Speaker 4: bad boys. So we're just doing what we felt. You
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying? So it wasn't so much that
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  Speaker 4: we're just out of pocket. We're just doing what we felt.
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  Speaker 3: And who picked that as a single back then?
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  Speaker 6: My lady?
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  Speaker 4: That wasn't even a single. Actually it was, it was
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  Speaker 4: God of Love was our first single. So, and you know, they,
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  Speaker 4: they flushed it down the toilet. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: But that's just what we liked. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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  Speaker 4: Even back to the question you asked, do we listen
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  Speaker 4: to the records now? I listen to the B-sides of
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  Speaker 4: the records that we never heard. Because we're doing a
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  Speaker 4: couple of them songs to commemorate the 35 years. Because
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  Speaker 4: people didn't really listen to the B-sides. So we're doing
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  Speaker 4: a little medley of the B-sides, some of the records.
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  Speaker 4: And I forgot the words to them. I ain't heard
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  Speaker 4: them in so long. I forgot the words to the songs.
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  Speaker 4: So now, going back and listening, I'm like, these songs
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  Speaker 4: are actually pretty good. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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  Speaker 4: they would have worked it. I'm talking about the B-sides,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying? The people never really listen
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  Speaker 4: to it. The up-tempo. So the A-side was like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for my lady, stay, I mean, stay, you and I.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? I'm still waiting with the A-side. That's,
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  Speaker 4: you know, everybody knows for the ballads, but.
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  Speaker 2: That is true, though, because.
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  Speaker 7: Like the only B-side, it wasn't a B-side, but the
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  Speaker 7: only up-tempo was like Get On Up was like a single.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the album way, that's like our last album.
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  Speaker 4: That was on our last album, so that was part
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  Speaker 4: of the whole thing. So, but I'm talking about Fell
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  Speaker 4: My Lady, like, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? But so, when you go
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  Speaker 4: back and listen to these records, it's like a whole
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  Speaker 4: new experience. I'm like, wow, these songs are actually good. So,
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  Speaker 4: we got so focused and, you know, hyper-focused on the
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  Speaker 4: fans on, like, you know, Fell My Lady's a stay
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  Speaker 4: to come and talk to me. And everybody never flipped
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  Speaker 4: the record over.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 6: Are y'all going to perform those songs?
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  Speaker 4: A little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Because some people, like, even when I read comments sometimes,
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  Speaker 4: they're like, why don't you ever do this song? We've
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  Speaker 4: never did these songs live. So going back and learning
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  Speaker 4: them in rehearsals, it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody thinks we're just going to do the Feather My
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  Speaker 5: Lady album. We're going to put it all together. So
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  Speaker 5: we're going to give you all the Feather My Lady album,
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  Speaker 5: the Diary of a Madman, and the show, the after party.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to put it all together.
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  Speaker 4: Because next year, like, our second album will be 35
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  Speaker 4: years old. And that's just a month or so away. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying? We did them back to back.
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  Speaker 7: I think y'all should, when you have the kind of
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  Speaker 7: career that has stood the test of time, and the
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  Speaker 7: music has stood.
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  Speaker 2: The test of time, you should absolutely celebrate it.
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  Speaker 7: I see A Boogie out here celebrating an album that's
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  Speaker 7: 10 years old.
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  Speaker 4: So you might as well.
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  Speaker 5: And killing.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like we haven't been doing shows, but right
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  Speaker 4: now we just made it a little special because we're
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  Speaker 4: focusing on things like songs, like I said, we've never
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  Speaker 4: done before and Give them a little experience to walk
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  Speaker 4: and take you back down memory lane.
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  Speaker 7: What was the mission when y'all was trying to create
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  Speaker 7: Forever My Lady? Was y'all competing with the boys and
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  Speaker 7: men or the guys.
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  Speaker 5: Of the world?
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  Speaker 1: Nah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it was like, we was in our own world, man.
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  Speaker 5: Andre Orel, rest in peace.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: Rest in peace, Dre.
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  Speaker 5: And he moved us up here to the Bronx in
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  Speaker 5: New York. We was like- Y'all was.
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  Speaker 1: Singing to get the hell out.
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  Speaker 4: Another thing, people don't really realize, these songs we did
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  Speaker 4: was like 13, 14, 15 years old. So Feb My Lady,
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  Speaker 4: Come and Talk to Me, Stay, these songs were not stay,
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  Speaker 4: but the rest of them on the album were written
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  Speaker 4: back in the day, before we came to New York.
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  Speaker 4: We came to demo with like, what, 30-something songs on it?
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  Speaker 5: 30 songs, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so a lot of songs didn't even make it.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? So these are songs that
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  Speaker 4: Andre Rell and we felt was good for this project,
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  Speaker 4: Feb My Lady, but all these songs were wrote like
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  Speaker 4: a long time ago.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, we still have songs now. In a vault that
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  Speaker 5: we haven't used. So we got material for days, man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 4: For days.
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  Speaker 6: And this is from back in the day?
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  Speaker 5: From back in the day.
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  Speaker 6: In the vault.
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  Speaker 5: It was written when we was living in Charlotte.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: Y'all plan to put any of that on? I want
• 7:07
  Speaker 6: to say y'all remastered the project, right, for the tour?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, go ahead. We might. We might.
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  Speaker 5: We have a little plan.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, remastering is just the songs that's already out.
• 7:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But the songs we're talking about are still on demos.
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  Speaker 6: Like nobody ever heard them before, ever. A lot of times,
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  Speaker 6: an anniversary tour like this, though, you got all the
• 7:26
  Speaker 6: diehard fans together. You drop something a little new in
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  Speaker 6: there just to preview a bit. I've seen artists do this.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't know if that was a plan.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but time constriction, we got so many songs.
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  Speaker 4: We had to go through and start deleting songs. Can't
• 7:36
  Speaker 4: do that. Well, let's make sure we do this because
• 7:39
  Speaker 4: the majority of people want to hear this. So we
• 7:40
  Speaker 4: can do songs for days. You know what I'm saying?
• 7:41
  Speaker 5: And the show is still like, about 80 minutes.
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: It's long.
• 7:45
  Speaker 4: It's something like that.
• 7:46
  Speaker 7: Rob Markman And Dolman, tell them to stop playing with you.
• 7:48
  Speaker 7: When you think of Jodeci, we know KC and JoJo
• 7:51
  Speaker 7: was the vocalist.
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: People think of Devontae as the primary producer, but you, right?
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  Speaker 2: You produce too.
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  Speaker 4: Dolman Jones I sing too. I do it all. People
• 8:00
  Speaker 4: have their own narrative of what they want to create.
• 8:02
  Speaker 4: And now that social media and information is available, people
• 8:06
  Speaker 4: are finding out what it is.
• 8:07
  Speaker 8: Rob Markman I want to ask this right now.
• 8:09
  Speaker 6: I know y'all been asked this. But when y'all did
• 8:13
  Speaker 6: the Martin episode, right, was that planned or not? Because
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  Speaker 6: I've been hearing.
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  Speaker 8: Rumors like that y'all didn't even know, and then I
• 8:19
  Speaker 8: heard that y'all did know.
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  Speaker 6: Did y'all know that Martin was going to do all
• 8:22
  Speaker 6: of that?
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  Speaker 5: We did a sound check, a rehearsal, whatever. So we
• 8:28
  Speaker 5: rehearsed this song, and everything was cool. Everything was cool.
• 8:32
  Speaker 5: Sound check was good. You know, rehearsal was good. And Martin,
• 8:35
  Speaker 5: everybody liked it.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: But when it came down to, you know, record that scene.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: Actually filming it.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't know that.
• 8:43
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 8:43
  Speaker 8: Because when you go back and watch, I still watch Martin.
• 8:45
  Speaker 5: We did not know that.
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  Speaker 8: Like, it just came out, right? I watch Martin like
• 8:48
  Speaker 8: it just came out. And I was like, either they're
• 8:51
  Speaker 8: really great actors or they really don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 6: Like, they really didn't know he was.
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  Speaker 1: Going to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Great actors.
• 8:57
  Speaker 5: Because really, really, we didn't know what he was doing.
• 9:00
  Speaker 5: And one thing you don't do, I'm like, You know
• 9:02
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? I'm like Erykah Badu. I'm real sensitive
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  Speaker 5: with my shit.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 9:06
  Speaker 4: And I seen it all in your face.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn.
• 9:09
  Speaker 5: And I heard something. I'm like, nah, that ain't us.
• 9:11
  Speaker 5: That ain't me. That's not JoJo.
• 9:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's my mother.
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 9:14
  Speaker 5: So it kind of, you know, been ready to like
• 9:16
  Speaker 5: calm down. Right. Camera's on.
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 9:19
  Speaker 5: Worldwide and all that. But yeah, we was kind of mad.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: Got you.
• 9:22
  Speaker 6: I felt that. I seen it.
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: Was there any artist that you guys were supposed to
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  Speaker 3: work with but never did? Because you don't really see
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: too many features with Jodeci.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: Right. Um.
• 9:33
  Speaker 5: I want to say, in studio, we always wanted to,
• 9:38
  Speaker 5: I know personally, we wanted to work with Stevie Wonder,
• 9:41
  Speaker 5: Michael Jackson, Prince, of course. But we did something with Mr. Wonder,
• 9:49
  Speaker 5: Stevie Wonder, that's when he walked, he did the.
• 9:51
  Speaker 4: Same thing Martin did.
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  Speaker 2: When I sent.
• 9:53
  Speaker 4: Him off, we sang in Lake Mead. He popped up on. Oh, man.
• 9:59
  Speaker 5: So, but any.
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: Especially hip-hop artists. I'm surprised that hip-hop... Hip-hop? I mean, like,
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: you know, we did a lot of work with, you know,
• 10:04
  Speaker 4: Raekwon and Ghostface.
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: Classic.
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, classic.
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite records ever that freaking year.
• 10:09
  Speaker 5: And, man, we did with Pop, How Do You Want It.
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: Redman was on our first album.
• 10:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Redman's second album. And did some cuts with E-40. Mm-hmm. So,
• 10:19
  Speaker 5: Father MC, that was the first.
• 10:20
  Speaker 4: That was the first thing we did. That was the
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: first thing we did.
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: Because I'm surprised, like, Drake always talks about how inspiration
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: y'all want to him. Like, I'm surprised Drake didn't say,
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: you know what, I want to do something and have
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: Jodeci sing a hook or something like that.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: Always surprised.
• 10:30
  Speaker 4: You know, but the crazy thing is, a lot of
• 10:31
  Speaker 4: people like I run to, they say they can never
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: get in touch with us. A lot of artists say that.
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm like, well, call our management.
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: Who's y'all management?
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: We always in between, like, you know what I'm saying?
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: You right.
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: A lot of artists say that, so I think it's
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: been kind of, that's been a dilemma, I think. Yeah,
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: we're only a phone call away.
• 10:49
  Speaker 7: It's crazy to hear y'all say y'all wrote these records
• 10:51
  Speaker 7: when y'all was young, man. Especially when you think about
• 10:52
  Speaker 7: Forever My Lady. That song is about commitment and fatherhood
• 10:55
  Speaker 7: and building a future with somebody.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: Y'all had all them grown man responsibilities.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: It's a collection of pickup lines, you know what I'm saying?
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: You know, it becomes serious once you get older and
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: you understand what it really means.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: How old was y'all when y'all rolled in? What?
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: The body's like 15 or 16? Damn.
• 11:11
  Speaker 6: What the hell was he trying to pick up?
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: It's not me saying you're.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: Having my baby.
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: But you got to think though.
• 11:18
  Speaker 5: So you're having my baby.
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: But in North Carolina, people was having babies at 14.
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't like uncommon. It's just when you got
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: to the city, folks, they didn't understand it because everybody
• 11:27
  Speaker 4: was a little more sophisticated in the country. That's all
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: you got to do.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: But did y'all understand the emotional weight of those lyrics?
• 11:33
  Speaker 7: You tell a woman, so you're having a baby, and that.
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: Means so much to you.
• 11:37
  Speaker 5: That's deep.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: That's deep, man.
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: Like I said, you don't understand it until you're emotionally mature.
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: It's easy to say something to a girl. I want
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: to marry you, but we don't know what that mean.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: I love you.
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: We don't know what that mean at 15 or 14,
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: but you feel like you do.
• 11:46
  Speaker 6: Do you remember when it clicked for you differently, though?
• 11:49
  Speaker 6: When it was like, oh, okay.
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: When people started saying, hey, man, I raised a family
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: to your music, or my son, or we had kids
• 11:55
  Speaker 4: to your music.
• 11:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God. We got that so many times.
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, what?
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: I mean....
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: Guys in jail. Yo, man, y'all owe me money for
• 12:06
  Speaker 5: child support. I broke down a million times.
• 12:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, so we like... I think it starts hitting
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: different when people really give you the feedback of how
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: you changed their life as far as music. Like I said,
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: we're just trying to get girls and just trying to
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: holler at people. And the next thing you know, people's
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: lives are changing and, you know, mature with your music.
• 12:25
  Speaker 7: So does Forever My Lady mean something different to y'all now,
• 12:28
  Speaker 7: 35 years later?
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: To me, it does.
• 12:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, most definitely me. I mean, it's like, I call
• 12:33
  Speaker 5: it our baby. If you ask me what's my favorite
• 12:37
  Speaker 5: song to perform live, I have to say My Lady,
• 12:40
  Speaker 5: because that's the baby. That's the one that put us
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: on the map. It's just my baby song.
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 12:49
  Speaker 6: Come and Talk to Me ain't one of the favorites?
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: What?
• 12:52
  Speaker 4: You know, the crazy thing about Come and Talk to
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: Me was a duet back in the day. So Casey
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: was doing a duet with this girl named Barbara Jean,
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: and it was him and a girl on it. Barbara Jean?
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: Barbara Jean, yeah, from North Carolina.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: You sound like she from North Carolina. Right.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: I got Barbara Jean.
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: She could blow, too.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she could. She could blow.
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: She really could. So I think coming to Tottenham back
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: then was probably the favorite, but as we started releasing music,
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: I think it changed for me.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: So how did it turn into a Jodeci song?
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: That's another whole story. It was always a Jodeci song.
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: It was a duet with KC and somebody else.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: So how did the woman, Barbara Jean, come up?
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, man, it'll take us about an hour.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: To tell you that story.
• 13:28
  Speaker 5: We got time.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: We got time. You need to sum it up. I
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: got to tell a story, Barbara Jean. Go ahead, tell it, man. So,
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know where to start. Where should I start?
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: Let me get a short version of the story. Go
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: on your mind. So, Barbara Jean was the reason that
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: Casey and JoJo, Dalvin and Devontae met Casey and JoJo.
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: It was because of Barbara Jean and her group called Unity.
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: Unity, yeah.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: So, they came to our church and they said, y'all
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: need to meet, you know, KC and JoJo, they did
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: different kind of music than me and Devontae did. It
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: was more contemporary K and Jo, more quartet. So, Barbara Jean,
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: her and the Poopoo was another girl in the group.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: Her name was Poo-Poo?
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: Her name was Poo-Poo. Boba Jean and Poo-Poo.
• 14:04
  Speaker 6: Boba Jean and Poo-Poo.
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: Okay. Boba Jean and Poo-Poo took us to meet Casey
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: and JoJo. And it didn't turn out too good.
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: No.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Because at that time.
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: He thought I was messing with Poo-Poo.
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you thought I was... I thought he was.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: But it was.
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: They told us they wanted to meet those guys, right?
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: Well, we had heard about each other in Charlotte. We
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: was both in Charlotte.
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: But it was like... So we're in our studio. Me
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: and JoJo had a studio at the Tri-Mall in Charlotte.
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: So we see the girls walk in. with some guys
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: behind them. We didn't know who they were, you know
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying? But it was the great boys, you
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying? So when they came in, all
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: I saw was my girl walking in with some guys.
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: So I automatically, went under the couch. And you know that.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: Can't pull the pistol out.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: I got something in his curly head, mother fucker. Yeah, grandmother.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Man. I got something in his curly head, mother fucker.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: So anyway, so I ain't really rock with these niggas then. Like,
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm good.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: It sounds so crazy by the way. Right, exactly.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, we was in the church, but
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: I went and grabbed my pistol.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Right, I did a pin.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: You know, let me go put a.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Pin in there.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: I heard, I heard, I heard Sean Stockman say something
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: the other day about, like, they was church boys.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: We were.
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: I'm going to get confused. I love you, man, but
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: you're a little off with that statement. But anyway, back
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: to what I was saying about Barbara Jean. Park Ice.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: So Barbara Jean.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: We all squashed everything, and Barbara Jean and Kay recorded
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: this coming talking song Devontae wrote, and that was one
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: of the first songs they wrote. So we was going
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: to bring Barbara Jean to New York to be the
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: first female solo artist on Uptown. We came by ourselves.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Before Mary and everybody? Yeah.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, before Mary. So we came by ourselves, but
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: we had her on a demo tape. And so they
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: was like, you know, after we got signed, they was like, well,
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: who was the girl on the demo with y'all? Bobbi Jean.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: So they bring in a Bobbi Jean come to New York.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: And she brings her sister. Nothing about the music business.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: So they bring an office. They ready to sign it uptown.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: And she tell Andrea Rell, before my sister signed, I
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: want my sororities signed. And they was like, excuse me? Sororities? Sororities?
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: She meant royalties.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: She meant royalties.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: She meant royalties.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: So I'm saying like, you want your AKL? So I'm sorry,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Mama G. I'm sorry I had to tell that story.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: So that messed her up.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: That messed her up.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: Damn.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: That was supposed to be her marriage. She came in
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: there trying to boss up on Uptown R & J.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: I was like, no, we got to take off the jacket.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: She wanted her sorority.
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: They didn't have no sororities.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: It was just a demo. It was like.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: No, she didn't even write the song.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So they took us off, and then y'all decided to
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: do your verses.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: But you just started another fight for Thanksgiving. They've been
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: fighting over that for 35 years.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to tell the story, man.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: They've been fighting over that for 35. I could have
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: been a foul, but you wanted me to get started.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: But you wanted me to get started.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Say this.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: But, yeah.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Whatever happened to her as an artist?
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know, man.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: We went on there, Jodeci, and then Mary came, and
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: then it was.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: A new day.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Y'all did the hip-hop version of Come and Talk to Me.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Was that Puff's idea? That was Puff's idea.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Fire.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: That was like Dre gave him a chance. Like, okay,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: I see what you're trying to do. I see what
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: you can do with this.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: And people know Puff was dope. Like, he had dope ideas.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? He ain't no producer. He
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: don't have to actually play nothing. But his mind is like,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: he had dope visions and ideas. So it was cool.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Dre let him do that, and it blew up.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: It blew up, yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: That's when he say, yo, you can... You can work
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: with Mary now.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: So that's kind of like how that came about.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Y'all understand. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: Who was the wildest member of Jodeci back in the day?
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: We all had our wildest.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: It all depends.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: The calmest one was JoJo.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: JoJo.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: JoJo was the cool one.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: He was the calmest.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: He was Joe Cool, for real.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: But you want to say wild.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: The wildest.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: That just don't give a damn. That's Devontae. Okay.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Why do you say that?
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, Devontae... he was just wild, man, in all
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: kinds of ways. He would, he would do things like,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: when he got his car in Jersey, he would ride
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: around and eat Englewood T-Neck, you know, like, 110 just.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: He was crazy like that, you know what I'm saying? So,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: There's some more things too, but you know.
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: Y'all say JoJo was the common one, but then we
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: always hear the story about JoJo getting into it with
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: Bobby Brown.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, that wasn't JoJo's fault, though.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: That wasn't JoJo's fault.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: I love Bobby to death, but that wasn't JoJo's fault.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: That was beyond provoked, and it was pretty bad.
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: It's that Bobby used to always... I mean, it was
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: just like no addition better than Jodeci.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't even.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Know where that stemmed from.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Him and JoJo had that little riff. I don't know
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: where that came from, but it was always just something.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Y'all was there when it happened? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: Actually, he was in, JoJo let him have his, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: ride in his limousine that night. We was all hanging out.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: At the Paradise in Los Angeles.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: And Bobby wanted to hang out with us. And JoJo
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: was like, you know, come on, man.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: We got you.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: We got you. You know what I'm saying? We got you, man.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Matter of fact, take my limo. I'll get in the
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: car with, you know, with Kay and the rest of
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: the guys. So he said, all right, JoJo. Next thing
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: we know, we leaving the club. There was your little
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: slap box.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: That's where it starts.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: That's where it started.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: And Georgia said, I don't play like that, man. You
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying? I always wanted to fight you.
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: That's what Bobby said?
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Yo, man.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But they.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Georgia loved Bobby, man. Yeah, it's all love, man. I
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: hate to talk about it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine all these stories?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: It was....
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Thank God they have them before camera phones.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I can imagine if the cameras were up watching y'all.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, we escaped, we escaped. Yeah, we escaped.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: That's all we got is the stories that you hear
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: stuff and that's why everybody's trying to figure out who
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: was this, what was this group like, and who was
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: the street boys? Because you hear so much of it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: y'all image and the stories and all the things.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know too many sucker R & B groups
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: from the 90s.
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: Hell no.
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: All of the guys that sang R & B or
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: was in a group or did R & B, they
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: always was the people you heard that was really tough.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I got a saying for that.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Don't let the smooth sound fool you. Don't let the
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: smooth sound. Especially when you come from church. Right. And
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: your country. Right, right. And so we don't play.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: Who's changed the most since back in the day from
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: the group?
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: We all changed.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: You know, like the things I was doing back then,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I was, well, I was doing some things.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: But I'm 57 now. You know what I'm saying? So personally,
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I could say I'm there where I.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Need to be.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: You ever call those people back that you might have
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: did dirty one time? Like, let me call this A &
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: R back and be like, my bad, or this producer,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: or this person.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: You ever call anybody back?
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: Y'all ever talk? Y'all got a story for that?
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, come on. Boy, Kurt. Oh, yeah, Kurt.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Y'all know Kurt Willey?
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: How you call a man's name?
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Who's Kurt?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Y'all know Kurt Willey?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Who's Kurt Willey?
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Who's Kurt Willey, man?
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Now I need to know.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: We need to know.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: So, listen.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: That's another one of them stories.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Oh, he was with Uptown.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, she's not in my ball. She quit.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: No, he did a backfield episode a couple years ago.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Kurt Willie's cool. I mean, he just had to learn
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: a hard lesson, you know. So, no, when we first
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: went to Uptown, you know, he told us he wasn't
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: good enough. And he turned us away. And he told
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Mary the same thing.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: So, and I'm like, just imagine if it would have
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: been based on him and his knowledge of, non-knowledge of
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: R & B music or what art is worth. We
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: would never have had a Jodeci or Mary J.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Blige.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: And we wouldn't have had the 90s.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Y'all wouldn't have the funny sound of the 90s.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all know the story how Jodeci
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: even slid through the cracks of Kurt Woodley.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: No, tell us.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: So G-Wiz, who was Heavy D's dancer, y'all remember the
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Heavy D and the boys? G-Wiz just knocked on the door.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: We was sitting there playing out tape and Kurt said, nah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: this ain't it. We ain't looking for this. And he
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: knocked on the door. He said, who was that? And
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: we was like, that's us. And he's like, He said,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: hold on, I'll be right back.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: My boss ain't going to like this.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, he went and got Heavy. While we're
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: sitting in Kurt's office, and Heavy's like, yo, yo, he
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, we from North Carolina. You know, we
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: was all excited to see Heavy D, whatever. He went
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: and got Andre Rell, and Andre Rell asked us to
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: sing something live, and from then on, he just took
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: us out, you know, took us out and signed us. But,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, had it been based on, if G-Wiz wouldn't
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: have been sitting right there, timing the place right there,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and the divine events, he would send us on our way.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: He would sleep on our tape. We was playing the tape.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I had to wake the nigga up. Like, bro, he's like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I said, yo, yo, man, you sleeping? He said, no,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I ain't what we looking for.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Respectfully, I need to know who he signed.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: If you missed out on Jodeci and Mary J.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Jeff Redd?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I like Jeff Redd.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You called and told me, but that ain't Jodeci and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Mary J. Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he actually put Jeff Redd taping. I like Jeff.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: How you doing, bro? But he put Jeff Redd demo
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: tape and said, this is what we looking for. And
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: then we ended up producing Jeff Redd, some stuff with
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Jeff Redd.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: Wow, you know it's crazy.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Jeff was the first artist on Uptown, right? It was.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I think he was the first R & B.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: The first R & B. But you know they had the...
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: What was it? The rap group.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: The rap group.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: They was Finesse and Synquest, remember?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: And then they had the... What's the guy who.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Used to wear the nickels on his head? Rex and
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the Fake?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: No, not Rex.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And the Fake.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Ultra Magnetic.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Ultra Magnetic MCs. But it was another good one thing about...
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: He's an actor now. He's in a wheelchair.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, Finesse Mitchell.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but what's his name?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Darryl Mitchell.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: That's comedian. Darryl.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Darryl Mitchell.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: But he was in a group. We was in a
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: rap group first.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Gooby Chill.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Gooby Chill.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: So they was all signed up time from the beginning.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: Where was the emotion coming from when y'all was doing
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: records like Stay and I'm Still Waiting and all that
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: stuff like that?
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: That comes a lot from, you know, a lot from
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: when you sing gospel. You know, you sing with a
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: lot of emotion. You know, got to sound sincere. You know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: you got to move the church. If you can't move
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: the church, you know, the pastor going to tell you
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: to get out.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: And that's how I did with my vocals on these songs,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: even though they wasn't gospel, but they were still talking
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: about love.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: So you got to make, I wanted to make people
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: feel love in my voice.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: It may seem like you, well... You love women. There
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you go. You love vagina. You singing like, please, baby, baby, baby, baby, please.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Don't do that, though.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And nobody sings like that. Who sings like that now?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: How about now?
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: But there were singers back then who I would not
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: name that we have come to find out were gay,
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: and their songs are amazing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: That ain't Jodeci.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: That ain't Jodeci. I guarantee you that.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: That ain't Jodeci. That's Luther.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: We can say it's Luther. It's Luther.
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: It's Luther.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: It didn't matter.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: What Luther was sleeping with. Them songs was just... He
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: was in love.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I mean you singing for your spouse, your significant other,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: whatever that song was.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I feel like now it's not cool to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: do that no more. You're a simp.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: You're a sucker. But now.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: They just approach love... A lot different.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: A lot different.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: That's why R & B is not the same no more.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: People not singing with that passion, that heart no more.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: Well, you got nothing to lose.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: You got nothing to love. I think nowadays, people, it's
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: more of a transaction than it is love nowadays. Relationships
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: are more about transactions, and so it's hard to really
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: get somebody to feel what you're feeling, because if you
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: ain't writing a check at the end of it, that's
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: coming from both parties. It really ain't nothing there. You know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: everybody's love language is Birkin bags now.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: It ain't, you know, a good word and a good
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: walk in the park no more.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: You get a Birkin bag and don't got nothing in
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: that shit.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Nothing. And you can't even put nothing in it. You're
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: walking with it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Man, that's a damn good point, Davin. I ain't never
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: thought about that.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: In my mind, I'm thinking R & B singers, aren't
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: even encouraged to sing with that level of emotion. But
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: the reality is just because everything's so transactional.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Communication is different.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: But I'm telling y'all, the people are longing for that now.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: Again, that is coming back around where it's like people
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: tired of hearing, you know, guys singing, acting like, you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: just sounding like they don't really like women.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: They love money.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Cars.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: It's coming back around where people want to feel the love.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: In music again.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: Is there anybody in today's R & B where you
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: feel like they're carrying the spirit of Heaven, My Lady?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: It don't got to be a group. It's just somebody
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: in R & B. They got that spirit of Heaven,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: My Lady.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: I love my guy Silk.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: I love Silk, man.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: That's from y'all era, dude.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: He didn't even tell us about Silk.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: He didn't tell us about Silk.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: He didn't tell us about Silk.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: He didn't tell us about Silk.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: He didn't tell us about Silk. That's why I said Silk.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: I just, you know, I'm going to be honest. Like, yeah,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: you know, I just like, I like the entertainment part
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: of it now. I like Chris Brown, you know what
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: I'm saying?
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Like, stuff like that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: But as far as like, you're looking for raw emotion.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Usher, Usher.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I think y'all like Masego.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what that is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all like Masego.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: Masego is really dope.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: He's from Virginia.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: What you just said, like, is my point, like, Now,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: you don't even hear these artists no more. Because if
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: it ain't mainstream, if it ain't what's going with the
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: agenda or the program, you don't even get to hear
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: good music. I stumbled on Instagram. Why ain't this artist known?
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: It'd be great songs, but you never hear it. Because
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: independent artists got it hard out here now. If you
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: ain't part of a machine, you ain't getting heard really.
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: Well, it's crazy, though, because to y'all point, a lot
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: of the music, we know the relationships are toxic nowadays.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: We know there's an emotional detachment. But then we hear
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: about the stories of y'all and y'all relationships. Y'all was
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: just as toxic as the people out now. Y'all just
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: wasn't singing about it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: Toxic behind closed doors.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, listen, man. Everybody like a little toxic
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: in their relationship. It's got to be, you know. You
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: ain't got to always sing about everything you do.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Right. That's true.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Sing about what everybody else want to, you know, make
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: other people feel good. What you're going through don't need
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: to be translated to everybody else.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: You got enough of that already. You know what I'm saying?
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: So I think us projecting love and we're dealing with
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: our own situation behind closed doors worked a little bit
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: better for us. You know what I'm saying?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Would a song like Forever My Lady become a hit today?
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: That's a good question.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Probably not. Probably not. Well, I would say because of
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the climate, they wouldn't receive, I guess, the exposure it
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: would nowadays. Because, like I said, it's great songs out there, Herm,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: all the time. But if you ain't singing about what
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: you're driving, and how much money you got, and blah, blah, blah,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: what you got on, and what I'm going to buy you,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: then we really ain't in a lane. It's a lane
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: that was already created, and it's still in that lane.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: But to create a new lane, I don't think it
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: would have a breakthrough. Because everything changes in life. Everything.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: From music to people to everybody.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: I don't even depend on the age of the person
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: that's listening and what they got going on in their
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: personal life.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: But if you're fed something constantly, that's what's going to
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: become the agenda of what you listen to. You know
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying? It's hard for people to... Even like,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: if you go to like, radio really don't really play
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: new music. It's programmed to play.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: It's disgusting. Oh my God.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: It's programmed to play that. So it's hard for anything
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: new to break through because nobody want to take the
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: chance on anything new. Like, DJs back in the day
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: were like, I like a record, so I'm going to
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: play it. Now it's, you're programmed to play this, so
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: you're going to play this. You know who else? I
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: love that group, Destiny. They sung that song. Oh, you
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: know who I like, though? City Life.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: City Life and Destiny.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: But who is Destiny?
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Destiny sang that song.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: Are they girls?
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: No, they're guys.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Guys, okay.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Well, guys. I think that's the name, Destiny.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Is that the one that Boyz II Men sung, is it?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Nah, that's Juan Moore. That's Juan Moore.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Juan Moore.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: I think the group is called Destiny.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I never heard of Destiny.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Okay. I know Destiny Child.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Nah, nah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: You might not know.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Destiny Child too.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: What's the name of... I know you're talking about the
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: guys with the white.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: What was their name? Was it Destiny?
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I can't think of it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: They knew?
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: They knew, but they're not.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Got you, got you, got you.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: But they got that R & B.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: You know, like, you.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Would love them. I might have had the wrong name.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: And then who was City Life?
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: City Life. It's two young guys who might make a
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: couple appearances.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: City Limit.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: City Limit.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: That's the name of my church I go to. I'm sorry.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: It's okay. Don't think about the church. Don't think about
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: the church in Vegas, though. Yeah, City Limit, my bad.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: They're marrying an 18-year-old brother.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're incredible.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: My bad, you guys. That was my mind. No, it's
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: all good.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: That's all good.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I think I got that wrong.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: They going to be on tour with y'all?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: They can probably open up a couple of shows.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: I was just about to ask, who's gonna open up?
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: Is Destiny, is that DVSN? No?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I know it's four guys.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: They got this song called Forever. It's a song called Forever.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Look up the song Forever.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Have you seen a new TV series called Forever My Lady?
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: No.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: There's a TV series called Forever My Lady?
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Look it up. It just came out. It's your boy.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Clifton Powell.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Clifton Powell.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: And Prime Video.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yours is not the theme song, is it?
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Y'all get paid for that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: I just seen the commercial. I'm like, hold on. Let
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: me look into this. Uh-oh.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: It's on Doobie?
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Gotta ask Devontae that. That's his song.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: That's his song?
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: You talking about the one that just came out?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: It's on Prime Video.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Is Devontae going to pop out any of these?
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Hopefully. I mean, but you know, these like a unicorn.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: What?
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: He said, y'all going to do it. I mean, y'all
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: going to kill it. So, you know, but that's just
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: how he is.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he don't, you don't, I haven't seen him in ever.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: You know, he just, because he kind of shot away
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: from the tour life.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: He's more of a studio person. And that's just been his,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: become his thing. You know, everybody's like, when are you
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: going to put out new music? You know, you can't,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: you got to wait for him to, you know, that's
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: on Devontae time. He called and be like, hey man,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: y'all come to the studio, I got something.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: You know, then you don't hear from him for a month.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: But that's just how he is. That's Devontae.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: He's the only one I know that would say, make
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: sure you got my size.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: We always got him ready.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: You know, he's always ready.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Tour bus ready, everything.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Just in case.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask, you know, they've been talking
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: for the last couple of years about you guys doing
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the Versus. Would y'all want to do it? And who
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: would y'all want to do it against, if possible? Because
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody fits in that generation, that era.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: And the only one that does, I don't think fits
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: as a good battle. Because Boyz II Men was the
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: same time, but that doesn't fit.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: And then Drew Hill came after them.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Drew Hill is after them.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: I'm not really personally... I'm not a big fan of verses, really.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: It's like it's.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Being made a mock now, because number one, I don't
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: have to compete with nobody. I don't care. But it's
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: just for fun. I don't play like that. I don't
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: play like that. In church, we didn't have no verses
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: or whatever. You know what I'm saying?
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: So that's where I'm from.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: I'm from that. I don't compete with a gift that
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: God gave me. You know what I mean? And people
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: can say, well, he better than you, better than you.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: You sounded better than, nah, I don't do that. But
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: if anybody that I would compete, Jodeci, just going to
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: find you, Jodeci and Casey and JoJo.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Think about it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Jodeci versus Casey and Jodeci.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I keep it there. This is what I say. I'm
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: not really opposed to it, but it's my saying. I'm like,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: what are we versing? Let's just break down the analogy
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: of what Versus is. We're versing, no disrespect to any
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: other groups. I like Jujel, I like Boyz II Men.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: But we write, produce, play everything ourselves. We're a self-contained group.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: We're versing Babyface. Babyface wrote all your hits. We're versing.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: We're going hit for hit. I mean, we're versing. We
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: play our own instruments. We record everything in the studio.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: We engineer down to our own instruments. We engineer our
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: own projects. So what are we versing?
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: You want to sing a competition, that's different, but we're
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: versing what song for song, what song are we versing?
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Our own song, we're versing some of our other songs
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: that Babyface did his songs, Teddy Rolla did the same songs,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Byron did. I mean, where are we at? There's no
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: self-contained group, but let's verse the Beatles. I mean, if
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: y'all want to.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Do that, that's it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, the four-man group, we write, produce, play everything ourself.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, is that really the versus? No.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I think nowadays it's more of a celebration.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: It's more of a celebration.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: It's more of a clash. It's more of, yeah. But
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, like Casey said, like,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: what are we really versing now? We ain't got to
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: prove nothing to nobody. And I heard like a little
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Jasmine Thorn. Chelsea's scared, blah, blah, blah. That's going to
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: get us to come up with what?
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Nobody's scared of you, Nokia.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Jodeci and Drew Hill is a fun night, though. That's
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a fun night to watch.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: You could have saw that on tour, though. We let
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: them come on tour with us. They taught all this
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: stuff about it. I love Drew Hill, man. It's all
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: fun and games. They just can't mess with us. We
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: took them on tour. It's all love.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Did it ever get slow for Jodeci at any point
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: where the bookings were slow? Because I see the resurgence
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: of 90s music probably about 10 years ago where it's
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: like everything became a 90s love fest.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: But did it ever get slower at any point?
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: We just stopped touring. So, I mean, we didn't experience
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: really the drought of Jodeci, like going to where we
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: couldn't sell tickets. So it was like, you know, we
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: kind of, Casey and Jodeci went and did their thing,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: and Jodeci kind of just was on the shelf for
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: a while.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we were still on there, but the voices, you
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: still heard Jodeci. If you hear Casey and Jojo, you
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: still got Jodeci.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: As far as like on the marquee Jodeci, we just
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: stopped touring. Like we all kind of went our separate ways.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: No splitting up. None of that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: None of that.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: None of that.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Because actually, Dalvin and Devontae, A lot of times they
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: would come to KC and do those sessions, shows and everything.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: So we was like, and supporting us. So never know
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: if splitting up.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah. If y'all could go back to 1991 and speak
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: to those four young men before Forever My Lady was released,
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: what would you warn them about?
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Me, myself personally, this is a little deep, but me, myself,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I'd have said probably alcohol. That'd be my first thing.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, listen, that's got to be a bad
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: day for you. And I'd probably be like, I'm good.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: not that it went too far but just for me
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: personally the.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Hard part we did a lot of that and I
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: don't regret it because it taught me you know what
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: I'm saying I'm very happy now I'm content with my
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: life I have a lovely wife you know what I'm
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: saying and 1991 I wasn't thinking about that all I
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: was thinking about was partying getting girls driving cars and
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: stuff going in the corner in New York you know
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: just getting them Does.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Your wife and family ever ask you about the old days,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: the old stories?
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Like, Pop, honey, I heard the story. Did they ever
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: ask you? Nah, you just lie. I don't remember.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: If she sees something, like I said, you was right, man.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: That social media is something.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Is that true? Did that happen? Did y'all do that?
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: And I've got to be like, hey, baby, I was like, 22,
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: 23 years old. You got to talk about that, baby.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: But you were young, though.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: I was young. I was young.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: I made a lot of mistakes. You know, like I said,
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: I regret and some I don't. Because that's the only
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: way you learn.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: That's the first time I heard Dalvin say that. I've
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: heard JoJo talk about, you know, severe alcoholism. I've heard
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: you talk about it, KC. I never heard you talk
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: about it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if it was considered, but it
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: was severe to me. You know what I'm saying? Because
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I made a lot of choices I wouldn't have made.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: You know, and you see how it costs you, like, later.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: It wasn't that bad, but if you see now what
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: it could affect, even family members, how could I do
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: something different? I would have made different choices seeing myself
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: now than back then. That's it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: How much of it was the industry that led to that?
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: It was just, I mean, this industry, I can't blame
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: on the industry because we're growing. At some point, you're growing.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: You have to make your own decisions. Nobody put a
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: gun in there and make you do anything. You see
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: your peers doing it. Sometimes it looks a little tempting,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I say, but Nobody ever forced us to do anything.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Contrary to what people say.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Because we was there. We wasn't, you know what I'm saying?
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: It wasn't like, oh man, this got me drinking, man.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: I'm going crazy. Nah, it wasn't like that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: It wasn't like that. People think like that. And I
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: saw some other stuff, like Jonas got turned by that shit. Nah,
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: never that. We always made our own rules. We always
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: lived by our own rules.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: And for the record... It was alcohol, no drugs.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: That's what they said. They said cocaine too.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I ain't never even smoked weed in my life, bro.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: None of that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Damn, you ain't never had weed?
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Weed I have.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: He said weed.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I haven't.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: No, this is me.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Weed I have.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying, I'm not against it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I just feel personally.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I got you.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: I've been sober now for, wow. Going on 12 years.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Wow. Congratulations. Congratulations. Absolutely.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: 12 years now.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Y'all look good.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: Y'all sound good. I can't wait for this tour.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Y'all miss out, though. That cocaine in the 90s.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Y'all, what the hell is wrong with you?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I know, y'all.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Come on, now.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a nature's own. But, you know, yeah, man.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Especially with that weed and the blunt.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Goddamn.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Charlamagne. He did it once by accident.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: He didn't inhale, right?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: He didn't inhale.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: No, I inhaled.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: That's the problem. I definitely inhaled.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: We appreciate you guys for joining us and look forward
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: to seeing y'all on.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Tour, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, man, come out and see
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: the show. It's going to be incredible. And get your
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: tickets at jonesy35. com. It's going to be amazing. And come
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: help us celebrate the music. We're celebrating the music. It's
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: all about the music, not about the members. It's about
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: the music. So, you know, don't come out thinking it. Hey, man,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: my favorite member. Come hear the music. It's going to
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: take you back. Nostalgia. It's like you remember.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Where did it go? What's it mean? Website.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: He just said Jodeci35.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Com.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Jodeci35. com.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Jodeci35. com.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: And we in New York, and we going to be
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: back here November 18th.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Where you performing?
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow. Actually, we wanted to be in New York City,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: but we're in Jersey City. So we wanted to be
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: in the city, but round the tour.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: What's the name of it?
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Lowe's Jersey City Lowe's is like the new theater out
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: in Jersey City so come help us celebrate New York
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: because New York is like our home New York is
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: where we first broke at too so yeah Jersey City
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: right there come on New York why couldn't you do
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: New York what happened well in the round of the
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: tour the type of venues we trying to play wasn't
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: available gotcha and so it would have just threw us
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: off because we trying to just go from coast to
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: coast you know what I'm saying you know you can't
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: go zip all over the United.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: States well it's close enough yeah that's.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Right and we have an amazing team I just want
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: to say for the first time in our careers like
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Our team, you know. is really good. I want to
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: thank y'all. Simone, Jess. Yes. Our role manager, Robin. Our band,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Funk Mafia. So, and, you know, we just recently just
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: a long overdue split from a management company, which is
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: another whole story. But doing all of this, you know, we,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: even last week, Kay and Joe buried their father. And
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: all this going on one week. And my dad accident
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: the same week and broke his finger in his hip.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: And we still trying to rehearse. It's been a lot.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: And everything going the same way.
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, trying to rehearse and plan a funeral.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I know that's hard.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to miss him because especially the first show.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: because he lived with me, traveled with me everywhere.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And he was at all of our shows. He was
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: like the log that you rode when you come out
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: on Apollo.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: So he was.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Always there with us.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Right down the side watching every show.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I didn't even hear nothing about that.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So that's what we had. The
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: first week of the tour was supposed to start on
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: the West Coast, but we had to deal with all that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: So we just wanted to make that clear to everybody
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: that we only postponed the West Coast to come back
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: in January.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: Of course.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: So we had to deal with all this. And all
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: in a matter of one week, I'm in the house
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: with my father, because he had an accident, broke his femur,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: broke his hip. All the same week, we're dealing with
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: all this, and rehearsing. But we still good, and it's
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: going to be amazing.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Rob Markman, Jr.: Y'all had to sing at the funeral,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Rob Markman, Jr.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Nah, nah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: You know who actually sung?
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Lil G from Silk. Rob Markman, Jr.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lil G.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Lil G, Lil G.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I go, shout out to my brother.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Rob Markman, Jr.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he can. Rob Markman, Jr.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: I gave him a phone call. Rob Markman, Jr.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he showed up.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Rob Markman, Jr.: I gave him a phone call, he
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: showed up. That's not what got me, though. What got
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: me is, he canceled a show to do this.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Much love.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Lord G.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Thank you guys for having us.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining us.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure to come up here.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: Legends.