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Credlin | 4 December · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show. Great to be with you, Steve Price
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Speaker 1: in for Peter Credlin tonight. I'll be back with our
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Speaker 1: regular Friday night program tomorrow. Here's what's coming up tonight
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Speaker 1: though on Credline, the worst government in Australia the the
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Speaker 1: Ciner Allen Labor government spends two million dollars on a
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Speaker 1: report into its public service and manages to ignore much
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Speaker 1: of the report, then claims public service cuts will be
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Speaker 1: a good thing for the public. Could only happen in Victoria,
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Speaker 1: only happen here because of a looming election. We'll speak
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Speaker 1: to our panel about that shortly. Also coming up still
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Speaker 1: in that state, and the federal rush to renewables has
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Speaker 1: become a reality for farmers refusing to open up their
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Speaker 1: properties to transmission line construction. Groups around four hundred farmers
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Speaker 1: four hundred protests in the latest showdown will be joined
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Speaker 1: by farmer Ben Duckson during the program tonight. Votering expert
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Speaker 1: Paul Gover. You've talked us through evidence showing the posted
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Speaker 1: range for some evs, the amount of distance they can
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Speaker 1: travel on one charge has been severely exaggerated and Shadow
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Speaker 1: Home Affairs spokesman John o'dunham on the latest debate around
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Speaker 1: the so called ISIS brides and their children. But first though,
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Speaker 1: remember when Climate Change Minister Chris Balen announced his crazy
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Speaker 1: plan for free electricity for electricity retailers, offering three hours
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Speaker 1: of free electricity in the middle of the day. Here
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Speaker 1: he was, it's called solitaria.
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Speaker 2: What it means is that energy companies will be required
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Speaker 2: to offer you, if you have a smart leader, three
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Speaker 2: hours of free power in the member of the day
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Speaker 2: when we have so much solar energy in the system.
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Speaker 1: Seriously, Chris Bowen and social media now immediately experts questioned
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Speaker 1: just what this would actually do and how it would work,
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Speaker 1: given anyone who doesn't work from home wouldn't really benefit
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Speaker 1: unless you spent a bucket load of money on dishwashers,
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Speaker 1: air conditioners and heaters that were fitted with timers. And
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Speaker 1: it wasn't long before retailers started making the point naturally
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Speaker 1: that if someone's giving you something for free during the day,
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Speaker 1: then your energy costs, well, they're going to go up
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Speaker 1: somewhere else. And guess where at night in the evening,
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Speaker 1: when you are actually at home. I mean, the whole
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Speaker 1: idea reminded many people in Sydney of that day, not
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Speaker 1: that long ago, last summer, when it wasn't a particularly
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Speaker 1: hot day for Western Sydney standards, but the premiere of
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Speaker 1: New South Wales begged residents turn off air conditioners, turn
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Speaker 1: off your dishwashers. Now we have today, Professor Bruce Mountain,
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Speaker 1: he was on with Chris Kenny earlier from Victoria University.
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Speaker 1: He's with their Energy Policy Center and there's been a
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Speaker 1: leaked copy of a submission that he sent to Chris
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Speaker 1: Bowen after that announcement, And what does the professor have
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Speaker 1: to say about Chris Bowen's plan worll He labels the
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Speaker 1: free power afternoons a look like happy hour for electricity.
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Speaker 1: He called the policy quote a highly regressive subsidy for
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Speaker 1: affluent homeowners, especially those with electric vehicles, and he admitted
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Speaker 1: he was one of them. It sounds like a good
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Speaker 1: labor policy, doesn't it for blue collar workers out on
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Speaker 1: building sites all day during the bow and three hour
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Speaker 1: bonus who drive a duel cab ute driven by diesel
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Speaker 1: or petrol and have to wash their work clothes when
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Speaker 1: they actually get home and Australia's top energy consumer group
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Speaker 1: called the solar Sharer offer. That's what Bowen calls it.
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Speaker 1: Not much benefit to renters, people living apartments or low
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Speaker 1: income households, again a great labor policy. Professor Mountain also
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Speaker 1: makes the point Bowen's freebee will undermine the uptake of
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Speaker 1: rooftop solar because why would you bother putting panels on
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Speaker 1: your roof very expensive if you get free freebee power
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Speaker 1: without the cost of solar. And as we round out
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, I think it's not hard to see
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Speaker 1: the wheels starting to fall off the Albanezy governments rush
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Speaker 1: to solar and wind and the costs that all of
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Speaker 1: us will pay, as Sky has shown. This week, Independent
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Speaker 1: MP Andrew g revealed that video of destruction of a
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Speaker 1: stand of significant magnificent gum trees and the death that
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Speaker 1: you can see it on the screen of those little
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Speaker 1: native birds. Horrifying stuff. Later we will talk to farmer
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Speaker 1: Ben Dux and now I've had him on this show before,
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Speaker 1: and so was Peter and he's in the good fight
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Speaker 1: against a transmission line that planned that the Victorian government
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Speaker 1: wants to ram through his property. He organized a protest
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Speaker 1: and he won't open his gates. He's risky big fines
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Speaker 1: and potentially he's risking even time in jail. And Paul
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Speaker 1: Gover on the same subject, he'll dig into the false
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Speaker 1: claims of a range of evs. The whole ambitious net
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Speaker 1: zero targets will not be met. Quite simply, the uptake
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Speaker 1: of EV's is on the slide. Governments of all stripes
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Speaker 1: are begging and paying coal fired power stations please stay
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Speaker 1: open way past your predicted closure dates. Australians are waking
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Speaker 1: up and power prices keep going up. Some are blackouts
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Speaker 1: and brownouts loom. It's going to be a long hot
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Speaker 1: Summer's head to Camber now talking about politics for Tonight's
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Speaker 1: Political Headlines with Skye News political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 3: The Opposition is demanding an explanation from the Home Affairs
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Speaker 3: Minister over his role in the return of so called
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Speaker 3: ISIS bribes from Syria. Tony Burke held discussions with the
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Speaker 3: Save the Children charity in June. According to meeting minutes,
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Speaker 3: the minister thanked the organization for not publicizing its work.
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Speaker 3: A senior official was asked to leave part of the
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Speaker 3: meeting so mister Burke could have a frank conversation.
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Speaker 4: We have a Prime Minister and a Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 4: who denied that this government was providing assistance to members
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Speaker 4: of ISIS to return to Australia. So we urgently need
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Speaker 4: answers to this question. What help was provided, because clearly
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Speaker 4: help was provided, and why has the Australian people been misled.
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Speaker 5: It's already bad enough what we know that happened while
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Speaker 5: the public servant was in the room, But we can
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Speaker 5: only imagine what happened after the public servant left the room.
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Speaker 5: And that's the question that Tony Burke must front up
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Speaker 5: an answer today.
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke maintains there was no repatriation and no assistance.
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Speaker 3: Federal Labor is poised to announce an East Coast gas reservation.
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Speaker 3: Further intervention in the market would seek to bring prices
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Speaker 3: down and prevent blackouts. The acting Prime Minister appeared to
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Speaker 3: reveal when the plan will be announced.
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Speaker 1: The important point here is that Annakle was focused on
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Speaker 1: what is a really significant initiative.
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Speaker 3: The Opposition leader says the Communications Minister should focus on
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Speaker 3: her day job after she charged tax payers more than
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Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars for a trip to New York Anikia.
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Speaker 3: Well's main engagement was a six and a half minute
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Speaker 3: address promoting the social media age.
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Speaker 6: Ban, focusing on her day job.
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Speaker 4: She traveled a taxpayer's expense while the TRIPLEO crisis was
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Speaker 4: unfolding hair in Australia.
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Speaker 3: The Minister originally planned to travel with the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: but delayed her trip.
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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Rubn. Let's jump into the news of
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Speaker 1: the day with our Thursday night panel Sky one News
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Speaker 1: contributor Carrely Kats and Barnass with me and policy expert
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Speaker 1: and writer for The Spectator Terry Barnes as well. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to you, to you both. I mean, news out today
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Speaker 1: that the surprise, surprise, the Allen Labor government is actually
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Speaker 1: going to cut Victoria's bloated public service by more than
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Speaker 1: a thousand positions. That's what they claim to deliver what
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Speaker 1: they say will be four billion dollars in savings. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is part of a plan to get the States
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Speaker 1: dead under control. I mean the report was released or
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Speaker 1: finished back in June, cost two million dollars. By the way,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to do it, and they're not going
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Speaker 1: to follow the full recommendation fifty two of them that
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Speaker 1: had say five billion. Instead it's just going to blow
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Speaker 1: another billion away. Governments has rejected seven of these things outright,
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Speaker 1: and you just have to wonder, don't you. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 1: here's just Allen. She was out today. But here's the
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Speaker 1: opposition their reaction to what happened.
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Speaker 6: Over the past decade.
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Speaker 7: We have seen the Public Service Bill double, but most importantly,
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Speaker 7: we have seen the number of executives triple under this government,
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Speaker 7: while at the same time we have vacancies. We have
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Speaker 7: vacancies and Victoria police, in our teachers, in our paramedics.
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Speaker 7: Just today I was speaking to health workers on the
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Speaker 7: front steps of Parliament House about a fair pay deal,
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Speaker 7: and as a consequence of that industrial action, we've seen
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Speaker 7: surgeries around this state canceled.
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Speaker 6: Today.
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Speaker 7: This is a government that has its priorities all wrong
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Speaker 7: and we will put an end to that waste and
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Speaker 7: guarantee those essential services.
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Speaker 1: Cherry, if you've got to report that cost you two
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Speaker 1: million dollars to get done, and you've got a series
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Speaker 1: of recommendations and that says we can save five billion
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Speaker 1: dollars by doing this, and you're going to have to
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Speaker 1: trim the public service, why do you ignore that and
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Speaker 1: just keep on going. I mean, seriously, the public service
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Speaker 1: in this state is completely out of control. Oh yes, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: and don't forget that.
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Speaker 8: Cindra Allen promised a reduction of two thousand public servants
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Speaker 8: that are going with one, so it's already been halved.
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Speaker 8: And if you talk about those recommendations, the fifty two recommendations,
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Speaker 8: fifteen of them were supported in principle, which is se
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Speaker 8: Humbrey speak for yena. So don't really have much confidence
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Speaker 8: about them. But look, I think, look at the numbers
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Speaker 8: in Victoria, Steve. I mean, they're talking about one thousand
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Speaker 8: public servants over four years. They're talking about pour billion
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Speaker 8: over four years. Well look the actual Victorian public service,
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Speaker 8: the backroom boys and girls, that's sixty thousand people in
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Speaker 8: the headcart. You're talking about people overall employed by the
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Speaker 8: Victorian government, it's closer to three hundred and fifty thousand.
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Speaker 8: So this is a drop in the bucket. And we're
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Speaker 8: talking about a budget it's thirty six odd billion dollars
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Speaker 8: a year to pay for these people. So what four
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Speaker 8: billion over four years? That's one billion a year. That's
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Speaker 8: a drop in the drop in the ocean. Look this
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Speaker 8: is a political stunt, and I think it's actually time
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Speaker 8: to actually draw out the opposition, draw out Jess Wilson.
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Speaker 8: See what she's going to do, and it's sort of
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Speaker 8: playing this political footsi about the state budget when our
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Speaker 8: services are suffering, our debt is ballooning absolutely out of control,
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Speaker 8: and the fact is that the government keeps spending and
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Speaker 8: spending and spending without any responsibility at all.
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Speaker 1: Caroly, I mean, I think Jess Wilson was pretty good
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Speaker 1: in the response that I heard as she was on
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Speaker 1: with Tom Connell earlier. I mean, she makes the perfectly
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Speaker 1: sensible point that Okay, you say you're going to cut
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Speaker 1: a thousand public servants, but you've already got a vacancy
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Speaker 1: of about twelve hundred in the police force. You've got
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Speaker 1: a lack of teachers, and you've got vacancies in the
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Speaker 1: teaching force and in the end in nurses and health.
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Speaker 1: So all of these public servants that are going to
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Speaker 1: get punted, we're still not making up for all the
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Speaker 1: gaps we've got in the areas that matter, which is
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Speaker 1: crime in the middle of a crime crisis, health and.
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Speaker 9: Education absolutely definitely, and I think the Victorians we've fed
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Speaker 9: up have seen that the revolving door of bail that
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Speaker 9: still continues.
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Speaker 6: And I think that when a state.
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Speaker 9: Like Victoria is being seen as a failed state, we're
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Speaker 9: not attracting new business here at all. And O Jess
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Speaker 9: Wilson has spoken about that before. But the most important
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Speaker 9: thing is, yes, there's nearly twelve hundred police vacancies, the teachers,
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Speaker 9: people want the schools to work and things. They've seen
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Speaker 9: some shocking crimes across the state that you've covered as well,
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Speaker 9: and that is what is actually important. But the thing
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Speaker 9: is Victoria is closed for business.
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Speaker 6: It's not open.
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Speaker 9: It is the highest taxing state in the country, and
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Speaker 9: the highest amount of debt nearly two hundred billion dollars
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Speaker 9: what is it two million dollars and our interest and
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Speaker 9: yet things are not being fixed.
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Speaker 6: And this is just a band aid solution.
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Speaker 9: So you know that they're covering up on something else
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Speaker 9: when an announcement like this comes out today, Terry I
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Speaker 9: had to laugh.
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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that they say they're
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Speaker 1: going to implement is that they're going to save a
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Speaker 1: bunch of money on not renting out CBD office space. Well,
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Speaker 1: the reason they can do that is just center Allan's
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Speaker 1: going to mandate the fact that you've got to work.
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Speaker 1: You're going to be able to tell your boss, I'll
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Speaker 1: be working from home for at least two days a
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Speaker 1: week and I won't be in the office. That's why
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Speaker 1: there's empty office space.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely right, I mean it's absolutely crazy. And certainly the
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Speaker 8: work from home directive that Jacinda Allen's trying to make
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Speaker 8: a rite for Victorians, there's really something that she doesn't
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Speaker 8: have any control over at all, as I understand it
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Speaker 8: in terms of the legislation, in terms of who's responsible
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Speaker 8: for it, it's more a federal thing. But certainly, I
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Speaker 8: mean it's all smoke and mirrors, Steve. I mean, it's
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Speaker 8: as Curly was saying, we need people in the front
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Speaker 8: line positions. We don't need the backroom boys and girls.
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Speaker 8: And yes, cut reductions are good, but this is not
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Speaker 8: anything but a political slide of hand exercise saying, oh,
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Speaker 8: we're cutting, we're responsible for the economy. No, they're not
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Speaker 8: responsible for the economy. They're making a big.
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Speaker 6: Hash of it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's all just a typical labor spin I reckon.
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Speaker 1: Then we're also in the state staring down a barrel
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Speaker 1: of electricity shortages. I mean, there's a damning energy report
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Speaker 1: that says that the Lawn power station might mean the
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Speaker 1: state's going to have to schedule and I can't believe
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Speaker 1: there's power outages. So I mean a bit like the
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Speaker 1: days carellly you might be able to remember it. We
13:22
Speaker 1: used to have petrol strikes and if you're in number
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Speaker 1: plate ended in an odd number, you could get petrol
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Speaker 1: that day and an even number the next day. How
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Speaker 1: are they going to do that? If your street numbers
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Speaker 1: are an odd number, you're suddenly going to be told,
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Speaker 1: okay that we know power for you today.
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Speaker 6: I just about remember that price. Look, it is silly.
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Speaker 9: So Victoria's order to General Andrew Greeves has delivered this
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Speaker 9: damning report saying that when the power station is due
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Speaker 9: to close in the next couple of years, Victorians there's going.
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Speaker 6: To be power shortages.
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Speaker 9: So the UN and Labor government they've tried to ban gas,
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Speaker 9: they've tried.
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Speaker 6: To you know, they're scrapping coal. They're not doing that.
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Speaker 9: They're also scrapping the energy wind turbines as well, leaving
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Speaker 9: Victorians facing dreadful regular.
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Speaker 6: Blackouts in everywhere.
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Speaker 9: It's really third world, because it's important when it comes
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Speaker 9: for hospitals and just general living conditions for Victorians.
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Speaker 6: We need this, and the thing is, these renewables don't work.
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Speaker 9: Before going down this path, we've got to make sure
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Speaker 9: that we've got crucial.
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Speaker 6: Reliable sources of energy.
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Speaker 9: But they've been told about this time and time again.
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Speaker 9: They refuse to listen, like banging your head against a
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Speaker 9: brick wall and expecting a different result.
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Speaker 1: Terry, I'm increasingly skeptical of where how this whole under
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Speaker 1: sixteen social media ban is going to work. It already
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Speaker 1: is unraveling. You've got teenagers going off to unregulated platforms.
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Speaker 1: I heard a really impressive mother talking about this the
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Speaker 1: other night whose son is one of those in a
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Speaker 1: class action to the High Court about it, and she said,
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Speaker 1: I'd rather know what my son's doing rather than him
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Speaker 1: sneaking around doing something in secret. Have you got any
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Speaker 1: confidence that this is actually going to work or it's
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Speaker 1: just going to see a whole bunch of teenagers find
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Speaker 1: a way around it.
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Speaker 8: Well, certainly nowadays, Steve didn't we I mean we found
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Speaker 8: ways around getting cigy's and booze when we're under age,
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Speaker 8: and nothing's going to change. It's just become a much
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Speaker 8: more technical, much more cibhe the sort of thing. But look,
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Speaker 8: I think reality is that this band is going to
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Speaker 8: be unenforceable in one way or another. It might lead
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Speaker 8: to platforms taking access direct access off for under sixteens,
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Speaker 8: but tech savvy teenagers will find a way around it.
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Speaker 8: There's no question about that. And I agree with that mother.
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Speaker 8: I would rather know what my child is doing, what's
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Speaker 8: she's seeing, what she's actually doing online, than to actually
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Speaker 8: have this pretense that she's actually doing nothing at all.
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Speaker 8: No way, I'd rather be aware and be able to
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Speaker 8: help her make choices and make sensible choices than to
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Speaker 8: actually be totally in the dark about what she's doing
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Speaker 8: and find her way to the dark web.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Caroly, your mother, what are you going to do
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Speaker 1: with this stuff?
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I just think that labor is after a
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Speaker 9: headline with this. It does remove parental control as to
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Speaker 9: what the children are doing. I've got three teenagers, so
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Speaker 9: a couple of them are not going to be captured
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Speaker 9: by the ban.
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Speaker 6: But it is counterproductive. It's ill informed.
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Speaker 9: They're saying, it's well intentioned, You've got to be careful
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Speaker 9: what you wish for. It is ridiculous. VPNs will go up.
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Speaker 9: You've got a smart teenager that will do it. And
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Speaker 9: I also agree with what Terry says, it's better to
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Speaker 9: know exactly what your children are doing. Social media is
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Speaker 9: part of life, whether you like it or not.
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Speaker 6: It is tough being a parent.
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Speaker 9: And yes, I've been through the arguments of not enough
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Speaker 9: screen time. We're turning it off now. It's part of parenting.
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Speaker 9: You can't give everything over to the government. We've given
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Speaker 9: them enough over the last few years with COVID. Look
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Speaker 9: what a mess we're in. You know, parents, Come on,
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Speaker 9: we've just got to do it. But this is going
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Speaker 9: to backfire a big time. You wait until we talk
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Speaker 9: again in December, and it's not good.
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Speaker 1: Well said, thank you, Thank you, Terry. We'll catch up
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Speaker 1: with you next week. Now coming up, we'll cross over
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Speaker 1: to London. There's a big rowl there over new facial
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Speaker 1: recognition cameras. We'll talk to Sophiel's Worth about this. Plus,
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Speaker 1: you have to believe these pictures. Hundreds of farmers have
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Speaker 1: blocked access to a country property where a transmission line
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Speaker 1: they were trying to bulldoze their way through this farmer's farm.
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Speaker 1: Four hundred of them turned out in protests. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: to one of those farmers after the break. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: Steve Price in Copeter Kretlin and I'll get under one
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Speaker 1: of her favorite topics. In a moment. I'll have the
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Speaker 1: latest on the standoff between farmers and power company chiefs
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Speaker 1: who want to barge on the farming properties and put
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Speaker 1: up great whacking transmission towers. We'll talk to one of
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Speaker 1: the farmers involved in that protest shortly, but I want
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Speaker 1: to go to the UK first. Sophie Elsworth joins as
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Speaker 1: the labor government there, they've got a proposal that could
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Speaker 1: allow police to compare photos of suspects against the British
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Speaker 1: passport data if a plan to allow live facial recognition
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Speaker 1: cameras goes ahead in every town center. Sophie joins the
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Speaker 1: Scott Who's Contributed News Corporate course, Australia's European correspondent. So
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Speaker 1: if I reckon I've been watching too much excellent British
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Speaker 1: television spy shows, I would have thought this stuff already existed.
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Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
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Speaker 10: Well, Steve, they are the police are able to access
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Speaker 10: some things, some surveillance access some of our passport photos
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Speaker 10: under limited circumstances. But there is a move here in
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Speaker 10: the UK to really ramp this up so that there'll
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Speaker 10: be live surveillance across city centers. Now, this has been
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Speaker 10: met with some controversy and human rights advocates saying that
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Speaker 10: this is too much, this is authoritarian and it's a
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Speaker 10: step too far. So there is a ten week consultation
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Speaker 10: open Steve now to work out what the public think
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Speaker 10: is appropriate when it comes to what police can access
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Speaker 10: and access appropriately so that people can go about their
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Speaker 10: lives without feeling like they're living in a live prison
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Speaker 10: cell and having their entire lives monitored when they're out
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Speaker 10: and about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure what I think about that.
19:18
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not doing anything wrong, does it
19:20
Speaker 1: really matter? I guess yes, there's a case for freedom
19:24
Speaker 1: of movement. And you know, this stuff can be hacked
19:27
Speaker 1: and leaked. I mean, that's the one thing I'd worry about.
19:30
Speaker 1: And so you know, if somebody got into that system
19:33
Speaker 1: and managed to get hold of it, they could then
19:35
Speaker 1: use that for nefarious reasons, blackmailing someone who shouldn't be
19:38
Speaker 1: in a certain street at a certain time because they're
19:41
Speaker 1: having an affair or whatever they might be doing. And
19:44
Speaker 1: is that the gut sop of the arguments that people
19:46
Speaker 1: are putting up against it.
19:49
Speaker 10: The arguments are that against it, that it is a
19:53
Speaker 10: step too far. Why do we need to be monitoring
19:56
Speaker 10: what people are doing all the time?
19:59
Speaker 1: Is this necessary?
20:00
Speaker 10: But we do have a very serious crime problem here
20:03
Speaker 10: in the UK, Steve. And we've got prisoners being led
20:06
Speaker 10: out incorrectly from prisons here, there's a couple on the
20:11
Speaker 10: run at the moment. This seems to be a common
20:13
Speaker 10: occurrence here. So this is a way for the Home
20:17
Speaker 10: Office to look at strengthening their powers given to police
20:21
Speaker 10: to make it easier to track down alleged suspects and criminals.
20:26
Speaker 1: Beautiful Christmas tree? Where are you?
20:30
Speaker 11: I'm in Marlavone, Steve.
20:32
Speaker 6: It is beautiful here.
20:33
Speaker 10: It's very chilly, but it.
20:34
Speaker 11: Is beautiful this time of year.
20:36
Speaker 10: Last night I was just down in Oxford Street and
20:37
Speaker 10: all the Christmas lights. London really is a beautiful city
20:41
Speaker 10: at this time of year.
20:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, they know how to do it. What's Andrew mount
20:46
Speaker 1: Baton windsor what's the latest on Andrew? I saw that
20:50
Speaker 1: that place he'd been living in is basically been trashed.
20:53
Speaker 1: It might cost a million dollars to fix it.
20:54
Speaker 12: Up.
20:57
Speaker 10: Yes, Well, it seems that Andrew mount Baton Windsor has
21:00
Speaker 10: not been keeping his royal estate up to the level
21:05
Speaker 10: that it should be and it's become very dilapidated. Steve
21:08
Speaker 10: now he was looking at perhaps getting half a million
21:11
Speaker 10: pounds because he was going to he is going to
21:16
Speaker 10: leave the premises prematurely, as we know. He said that
21:19
Speaker 10: he's going to leave, but it's on the condition that
21:23
Speaker 10: the estate is kept in good condition, and it's emerged
21:26
Speaker 10: that it is in very poor condition. So he has
21:30
Speaker 10: just got mounting woes out. Andrew mount Batton Windsor's it
21:35
Speaker 10: from this property and he's got twelve months to do so.
21:39
Speaker 10: But it's expected Steve, he will move out in the
21:42
Speaker 10: new year and move to Sandringham after Christmas because they
21:46
Speaker 10: will not want the royal family that awkward exchange if
21:50
Speaker 10: Andrew's up in Sandringham when they have their traditional annual
21:54
Speaker 10: Christmas celebrations there.
21:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there'll be any Christmas pickies of Andrew.
21:59
Speaker 1: Now tell me about the Women's Institute and the Girl Guides.
22:02
Speaker 1: They've moved to ban transgender women and girls from membership
22:06
Speaker 1: as fellows. I think a Supreme Court ruling affirming that
22:10
Speaker 1: a woman is defined by biological sex at birth. Hallelulia,
22:15
Speaker 1: Thank god someone's seen sense.
22:19
Speaker 10: Well, yes, Steve, there was this court ruling earlier in
22:21
Speaker 10: the year which was widely reported, but it seems to
22:25
Speaker 10: be slow to be put into place here and some
22:28
Speaker 10: different organizations and so forth definitely dragging their heels when
22:33
Speaker 10: it comes to enforcing it. But this is the latest
22:35
Speaker 10: development to show that there is a crackdown on this
22:38
Speaker 10: and it's going back to what many people argued is
22:42
Speaker 10: a common sense approach that your biological sex determines what
22:47
Speaker 10: you can enter, for example, public toilets, for example, sports competitions.
22:52
Speaker 10: And this is just one example now where that is
22:55
Speaker 10: finally being enforced.
22:56
Speaker 1: Steve. Good on your Sophie. Thank you, great work, Sophie.
23:00
Speaker 1: El's with there. Doesn't that look great? That's scene there
23:02
Speaker 1: in Marlab with that beautiful Christmas tree And for a change,
23:06
Speaker 1: seven twenty two in the morning, they're a blue sky
23:09
Speaker 1: in London. That doesn't happen too much at this time
23:11
Speaker 1: of year. Now, I want to go to this standoff
23:12
Speaker 1: in Victoria. Farmers are absolutely filthy, as they should be.
23:17
Speaker 1: Vic grid workers are wanting to enter properties and they
23:21
Speaker 1: have the actual legal right to do so, but farmers
23:24
Speaker 1: are locking the gates as they should be able to do.
23:27
Speaker 1: Major revolt. This involves this big VNI West transmission project
23:32
Speaker 1: which runs from southern New South Wales down to the back.
23:35
Speaker 1: I think of Bendigo or Ballarat one of those labour's
23:39
Speaker 1: forcing through an unworkable, renewable transition, and there are threats
23:44
Speaker 1: here for people to be fined and chucked in jail. Now.
23:47
Speaker 1: I've talked to my next guest on the program earlier,
23:50
Speaker 1: and I know Peter's spoken to Ben duckson as well.
23:53
Speaker 1: Welcome back to you, Ben. I was so happy to
23:57
Speaker 1: see the number of trucks and vehicles that turned out
24:03
Speaker 1: to support you in the latest protest. How many did
24:05
Speaker 1: you have their mate.
24:07
Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks Steve.
24:08
Speaker 12: Between three and four hundred were their Tuesday, I think
24:11
Speaker 12: it was, which seems to be our last one. I
24:14
Speaker 12: spoke to Peter early in the piece and we didn't
24:16
Speaker 12: really know what was going to go on, but over
24:19
Speaker 12: the last two weeks we found that they'd try and
24:23
Speaker 12: find the owner of the property informous that they had
24:27
Speaker 12: Section ninety three rights to be able to force their
24:29
Speaker 12: way onto their property. Everyone there sort of said access tonight,
24:34
Speaker 12: and they so soon left and that went on for
24:37
Speaker 12: two weeks and a day or a couple of days
24:39
Speaker 12: or something.
24:40
Speaker 11: Some people had two visits.
24:42
Speaker 12: In the end, Alistair Parker's VIC Grid said well, we'll
24:45
Speaker 12: only do one visit.
24:47
Speaker 11: But he also said that.
24:50
Speaker 12: We don't need to get your es study anyway, So
24:52
Speaker 12: it seemed a bit silly that they wanted to try
24:54
Speaker 12: three times if they don't need a study on our
24:57
Speaker 12: farms to get their project up and running.
25:01
Speaker 1: Will you think they were trying you on?
25:03
Speaker 12: I do, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, trying us on
25:06
Speaker 12: and probably trying to taunt us a bit, trying to
25:08
Speaker 12: get us angry and look like the ingressors and the intimidators,
25:12
Speaker 12: and there was none of that from our from our people.
25:14
Speaker 11: And over the weeks everyone.
25:17
Speaker 12: Had a huge uprising, and the pride the farmers had
25:21
Speaker 12: just standing in their standing at their own own farm
25:25
Speaker 12: gate and saying no, you're not allowed on access denied
25:28
Speaker 12: just become infectious. And as the weeks rolled on it
25:31
Speaker 12: we got bigger and bigger, and you know, we were
25:33
Speaker 12: getting between thirty and forty there up to one hundred
25:36
Speaker 12: and twenty.
25:36
Speaker 11: The last one we had three hundred and fifty people there.
25:40
Speaker 1: So you're at Marnu tonight. Is this transmission line going?
25:46
Speaker 1: Is it planned to go through your property?
25:49
Speaker 11: Yep? Yep, that's where they were on Tuesday yep.
25:52
Speaker 1: And so how much of it runs through your farm land?
25:56
Speaker 1: And I mean if you deny them, do they have
26:00
Speaker 1: an alternative route that they can take or do we
26:04
Speaker 1: then get to crunch time?
26:06
Speaker 7: No.
26:06
Speaker 12: I think our argument has always been this needs to stop,
26:11
Speaker 12: It needs to start getting some sensibility about it. This
26:14
Speaker 12: project is no good for the average Australia and every household,
26:19
Speaker 12: every business here. It might be good for a few
26:21
Speaker 12: billionaires out there, it might be good for a few multinationals,
26:24
Speaker 12: institutional investors. It might be good for a few ex
26:28
Speaker 12: politicians and people in the know, and maybe a few
26:32
Speaker 12: greedy renewable hosts, but it's certainly not good for the
26:36
Speaker 12: majority of people. And you know, our question is, you know,
26:39
Speaker 12: why can't those people go out there and earn a
26:43
Speaker 12: honest living instead of China? You know, put the stouts
26:45
Speaker 12: in the trop of taxpayers subsidies. So we all do
26:49
Speaker 12: that out here, We're all we're all hard working on
26:53
Speaker 12: a sort of people out here we provide the food,
26:55
Speaker 12: the fiber, the agricultural products for Australia and the rest
27:00
Speaker 12: of the world, and we will continue to do that.
27:02
Speaker 12: This is a flawed plan that's gone from a three
27:05
Speaker 12: point eight bon dollar plan to eleven point eight bon
27:08
Speaker 12: dollar plan and now it's set to blow out even further.
27:12
Speaker 12: Bruce Mountain has been on the record saying it will
27:14
Speaker 12: increase cost of up to fifty percent of Victoria. We
27:17
Speaker 12: can't have an energy policy that just gets out of control,
27:21
Speaker 12: makes us you know, financially restrictive, and then you know,
27:25
Speaker 12: it's no good for the environment any of this, and
27:27
Speaker 12: it's socially cohesive, so very few benefit out of it.
27:31
Speaker 12: The government really needs to stop and start again.
27:34
Speaker 1: Has any of the V and I project been constructed?
27:38
Speaker 1: Are there any transmission towers that have gone up.
27:42
Speaker 11: Zero?
27:42
Speaker 12: And you mentioned there before it might be going the
27:44
Speaker 12: back of Bendigal was certainly not going through there because.
27:46
Speaker 11: That's just in his electorate. So I got pushed out
27:49
Speaker 11: onto us.
27:49
Speaker 12: I think they thought of sort of thought that they
27:52
Speaker 12: could have got through us and you know, railroaded us.
27:56
Speaker 11: And that's all that's happened the whole time. It's been
27:58
Speaker 11: a railroad. It's been a bulldoze.
28:00
Speaker 12: The way they've consulted is not fair on any sort
28:04
Speaker 12: of process. They put letters on the top of bins,
28:07
Speaker 12: under rocks, on the side of the fence, post in
28:10
Speaker 12: strain a posts and all that sort of stuff, you know,
28:13
Speaker 12: for an eleven point eight bion dollar project, and then
28:15
Speaker 12: they say, well, we don't really need your es. We'll
28:18
Speaker 12: just go along and get it off the road side
28:20
Speaker 12: or do something else. This is a joke of a policy.
28:23
Speaker 12: They don't know what they're doing. They're in really big
28:26
Speaker 12: trouble here. They do hold a really big hand, but
28:29
Speaker 12: the people out here have really stood up and the
28:32
Speaker 12: support's coming daily, like we're getting fifteen to twenty messages
28:35
Speaker 12: saying people from the city, And there was people from
28:38
Speaker 12: the city there the other day, from Melbourne, from Ballarat,
28:40
Speaker 12: from Bendigo, from Sheperdon, from warning ball from mary Borrough, Castlemaine,
28:46
Speaker 12: the whole lot down to Castad and that.
28:48
Speaker 11: So it wasn't just farmers.
28:50
Speaker 12: Everyone's had a gut full of these governments and China
28:53
Speaker 12: bulldoze their way through. This has zero benefit for the
28:57
Speaker 12: majority of Australians.
29:00
Speaker 1: Ask you one tough question and you don't have to
29:02
Speaker 1: answer it if you don't want to. Is this having
29:05
Speaker 1: an impact mentally on either you or make to yours?
29:11
Speaker 12: It does affect everyone differently. Yeah, And I think the
29:15
Speaker 12: unknown's been the hard part. I think this two weeks
29:17
Speaker 12: has actually got us some real clarity where they've tried
29:20
Speaker 12: to introduce their new rules and regulations, which they do often.
29:25
Speaker 11: They just try and change the game.
29:26
Speaker 12: They create new rules, and that's what they're doing here
29:29
Speaker 12: with trying to force their way onto compulsory access our
29:32
Speaker 12: land and then compulsory acquire our land in the end.
29:35
Speaker 12: So I think that's given our groups some really good
29:39
Speaker 12: united force to be able to get together. And farmers
29:44
Speaker 12: are proud. They're proud and passionate about what they land.
29:47
Speaker 12: And you know, a farm's not a farm, it's where
29:49
Speaker 12: we earn our income. It's where our intergenerational farmers have
29:53
Speaker 12: always been. So I just really think they've underestimated this.
29:57
Speaker 12: They've got the policy wrong for a start, they've under
30:00
Speaker 12: estimated the people come up with. They're underestimating the support
30:03
Speaker 12: we're getting out there. If they want to try to
30:05
Speaker 12: come onto our farms, well we'll accept what the police
30:09
Speaker 12: give us. If they're law enforcement they've got a job
30:11
Speaker 12: to do. That's fine, but they won't find three hundred
30:14
Speaker 12: at the gate. They'll find four or five one thousand,
30:17
Speaker 12: two thousand people. Because that's the way it's going at
30:19
Speaker 12: the moment. Our support's getting huge and we are not
30:23
Speaker 12: backing down on this one.
30:24
Speaker 1: Steve Well, power to you, Ben good to catch up
30:27
Speaker 1: with you again. Won't keep going and I know Peter
30:29
Speaker 1: will be back in touch with you when she's back.
30:30
Speaker 1: Now after the break, leaked documents have revealed secret talks
30:34
Speaker 1: which paid the way for the return of some of
30:36
Speaker 1: those so called ISIS brides into Australia. Plus more on
30:40
Speaker 1: the warning from Japan's envoy over Australia's failure to protect
30:45
Speaker 1: one of our closest neighbors from China, and that's Japan.
30:52
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Great to be with you now. Leaked documents
30:54
Speaker 1: revealed by Scotine News as Sharry Markson and The Australian
30:57
Speaker 1: show that the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has held
31:00
Speaker 1: secret talks with a charity called Save the Children ahead
31:03
Speaker 1: of the ISIS bride's returning to Australia. Now the Opposition
31:07
Speaker 1: is calling for mister Burr to tell the Australian public
31:10
Speaker 1: and we should know what took place during that meeting.
31:12
Speaker 1: Why was it secret? Why did he ask some senior
31:15
Speaker 1: public servant to leave the room. In a statement, Tony
31:18
Speaker 1: Burkers said, quote there was a request from Save the
31:20
Speaker 1: Children to conduct a repatriation operation. It was refused. There
31:24
Speaker 1: was no repatriation and no assistance. Well, that tells us nothing.
31:28
Speaker 1: Shadow Home Affairs spokesman John O Dunnaham joins us, what
31:32
Speaker 1: do we think's going on here?
31:35
Speaker 13: Well, this wouldn't be an issue if they'd have been
31:37
Speaker 13: honest in the first place. Steve, We've got to tell
31:39
Speaker 13: you they could have avoided all of the heartache because
31:42
Speaker 13: the cover up's always worse than the crime. The reality is,
31:45
Speaker 13: and what these notes tell us is that the government
31:48
Speaker 13: had been engaged in some form of support. These notes
31:52
Speaker 13: that attribute to Tony Burke, and these handwritten notes by
31:55
Speaker 13: his Departmental Secretary Stephanie Foster, a very well respected public servant.
32:00
Speaker 13: Tribute to Tony Burke, comments like we will find a
32:02
Speaker 13: way and talking about help all of this through a
32:06
Speaker 13: third party, as you said already Save the Children. So
32:10
Speaker 13: if the question is did the government directly help, well,
32:12
Speaker 13: clearly the answer is no. But did they indirectly hold
32:16
Speaker 13: I think these notes point to the fact that they
32:18
Speaker 13: actually did that. They refuse to tell us what they
32:21
Speaker 13: have actually provided by way of support, and so much
32:23
Speaker 13: so that they wanted the public servant to leave the
32:25
Speaker 13: room so they could have this discussion in private. It
32:28
Speaker 13: is fishy business. But this is not how a government
32:31
Speaker 13: that needs to take national security seriously should be operating
32:35
Speaker 13: on matters like this. We need the truth and they
32:37
Speaker 13: should be upfront.
32:37
Speaker 1: Now, you can have an argument about whether you know,
32:41
Speaker 1: we need to accept back a group of women who
32:45
Speaker 1: decided to go and join up with their male partners
32:49
Speaker 1: who were fighting for ISIS. You can have that argument
32:51
Speaker 1: about whether we should accept them back. But if Tony
32:54
Speaker 1: Burke and the other left leaning ministers in the alban
32:59
Speaker 1: Eesy government wanted them back, why don't they just stand
33:02
Speaker 1: up and say we believe they should come back here,
33:05
Speaker 1: they've got Australian citizenship and we helped them come back.
33:10
Speaker 1: Are the public going to suddenly go crazy? I mean,
33:12
Speaker 1: as you say, it's trying to cover it up that
33:15
Speaker 1: makes it worse.
33:17
Speaker 13: It's exactly the point. Let's have the argument about the substance,
33:21
Speaker 13: whether or not it is appropriate for this cohort to
33:24
Speaker 13: come back. And if you did end up bringing them back,
33:26
Speaker 13: what measures they put in place to protect Australia and
33:29
Speaker 13: its national security. But we don't even know where the
33:32
Speaker 13: government stand on this properly, because they tell us out
33:34
Speaker 13: of one side of their mouth that, of course no
33:38
Speaker 13: assistance was rendered, no repatriation effort on behalf of government.
33:42
Speaker 13: But then here clearly they're working hand in glove with
33:46
Speaker 13: Save the Children to actually facilitate this return passage. But
33:50
Speaker 13: the fact that they won't tell us is even worse.
33:53
Speaker 13: This is about national security. Australians that they want to
33:57
Speaker 13: have faith in their government. They want the government to
33:59
Speaker 13: get these very important roles right. But at the moment
34:04
Speaker 13: it is very difficult to see exactly how this government
34:07
Speaker 13: could do that when they won't even be honest with
34:08
Speaker 13: us about what they've died.
34:10
Speaker 1: I mean actually means the thing here is and as
34:14
Speaker 1: you say, you want confidence that the government know what
34:16
Speaker 1: they're doing and that the minister, the Prime the minister
34:19
Speaker 1: that's in charge is across his brief because if you
34:24
Speaker 1: have a doubt in this example, what about the people
34:28
Speaker 1: who came here after October seven, who were evacuated out
34:31
Speaker 1: of Gaza over the last two years. I mean you
34:34
Speaker 1: start to worry about that, and you start to go, well, okay,
34:37
Speaker 1: if the Isis Bride's got spirited out of mysteriously Syria
34:42
Speaker 1: and ended up back here, what checks have really been
34:45
Speaker 1: done on the Gazans that are in the country. What
34:48
Speaker 1: do we know about them and where they are and
34:49
Speaker 1: what they might be up to?
34:53
Speaker 13: Spot on this is a massive problem. I mean, where's
34:57
Speaker 13: the country have taken a couple of thousands these Garsen refugees,
35:02
Speaker 13: and that is a lot more than even neighboring countries
35:06
Speaker 13: that have similar religious beliefs as the Palestinian region Woods.
35:11
Speaker 13: So the fact that we've done that and we haven't
35:14
Speaker 13: I don't believe properly put it in place measures that,
35:19
Speaker 13: as you say, tell us where they are, who they are,
35:23
Speaker 13: or who they're associating with, what they're up to, I
35:25
Speaker 13: think is a real concern, and it again demonstrates that
35:29
Speaker 13: this government, when it comes to matters of border security,
35:32
Speaker 13: are really all at sea. I mean, the idea that
35:34
Speaker 13: this is somehow good management and good for our national
35:38
Speaker 13: security is just ridiculous. And today's cover up and the
35:42
Speaker 13: refusal to answer these questions is just further evidence that
35:45
Speaker 13: they cannot be taken seriously when it comes to matters
35:47
Speaker 13: of national security.
35:49
Speaker 1: Well, we even had Tony Burg out at airport welcoming
35:52
Speaker 1: some of those people into the country, didn't we.
35:55
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right, and some of that is a very
35:58
Speaker 13: alarming insight I think into this government's approach to this
36:03
Speaker 13: sort of thing. Again, I think in their heart of heart,
36:06
Speaker 13: some of those left leaning ministers really wanted to do
36:08
Speaker 13: everything they could out of compassion probably to bring these
36:12
Speaker 13: people to Australia. But at what cost are we going
36:15
Speaker 13: to sacrifice to national security? Or we're turning a blind
36:18
Speaker 13: eye to concerns that we should be taking seriously here.
36:21
Speaker 13: And that is why we want to get to the
36:22
Speaker 13: bottom of this because unless we have truth, unless we
36:25
Speaker 13: have these answers and complete transparency around this, because of course,
36:30
Speaker 13: the same rules should apply to everyone that wants to
36:32
Speaker 13: come to this country, whether they be former ISIS brides
36:35
Speaker 13: or people who've been on a gardening tour of the
36:37
Speaker 13: UK and having visa issues, it doesn't matter. We've got
36:41
Speaker 13: a set of rules to protect our country and protect
36:43
Speaker 13: our national security and we can't have this sort of
36:46
Speaker 13: deviation from the normal rules based course that we should
36:49
Speaker 13: be taking just because a minister feels like it's the
36:52
Speaker 13: right way to go.
36:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, the words called trust, Jonathan, thank you very much,
36:56
Speaker 1: appreciate your time tonight. Let's go to issues now plaguing
37:00
Speaker 1: the electric vehicle role out. Man, I'm not a fan
37:02
Speaker 1: of EV's. I mean, anyone who's listened to me knows
37:04
Speaker 1: that in Australian Automobile Association they've been conducting real world
37:08
Speaker 1: testing on evs and none of the nine evs that
37:11
Speaker 1: they tested managed to actually reach the advertised range on
37:16
Speaker 1: a single charge the mg mg four thirty one percent variation.
37:21
Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy. Tesla was a lot better. Someone
37:24
Speaker 1: who knows much more about this than me, Paul Gover,
37:27
Speaker 1: senior journalists with Will's Magazine. He's been an expert on
37:30
Speaker 1: all of this stuff with EV's for a long time.
37:33
Speaker 1: Why would there be such a big difference, Paul, welcome
37:37
Speaker 1: between a lab and a real world.
37:40
Speaker 14: Test, well, apart from anything else, Steve, the people who
37:46
Speaker 14: drive the cars in the lab are trained to drive
37:49
Speaker 14: the cars in the lab, so they pick the people
37:51
Speaker 14: who get the best possible results. You don't go in
37:54
Speaker 14: there and just let Freddy from down the street have
37:57
Speaker 14: a go, so they're trying to optimize their results. The
38:00
Speaker 14: other thing is real world conditions are vastly different, and
38:05
Speaker 14: one of the things that happens with electric vehicles, it
38:07
Speaker 14: happens with all vehicles. Combustion cars also don't hit in
38:12
Speaker 14: a lot of cases, they don't hit their target. But
38:14
Speaker 14: if you go and drive an electric car on a
38:16
Speaker 14: hot day in Australia, you've got the air conditioning on
38:19
Speaker 14: bang down it goes. If you're driving at night with
38:22
Speaker 14: the headlights and the wipers on and the air conditioning
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Speaker 14: going bang down.
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Speaker 6: As it goes.
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Speaker 14: I guess the good thing about any of these claimed,
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Speaker 14: because that's what they are. They're claims, they're not proven.
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Speaker 14: Fact is that they're at least combatible between vehicles because
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Speaker 14: they're all done to the same test. But it is
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Speaker 14: worrying in this case. The real worry, though, Steve, is
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Speaker 14: what happens when you run out of charge in your
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Speaker 14: electric car.
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Speaker 1: Well, the thing about it's a major selling point. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you and I think are vaguely on the same page
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Speaker 1: about whether we buy an electric vehicle. I live outside
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Speaker 1: of a capital city around about one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: one hundred and ten kilometers. So if I went into
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Speaker 1: a showroom to buy an electric vehicle, I would want
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Speaker 1: to say to the salesperson, can I get to my
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Speaker 1: place out of town and back on one charge? And
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Speaker 1: if they're quoting incorrect ev distance claims, then they're telling
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Speaker 1: me an untruth. They're telling me something I'm not buying.
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Speaker 14: Ah, but they'll blame you because you didn't drive it well.
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Speaker 1: See.
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Speaker 14: One of the things about electric cars, Steve, is they're
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Speaker 14: actually they're they're a complete reverse of a combustion car.
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Speaker 14: Most combustion cars are at their most efficient on a highway,
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Speaker 14: staying at a particular cruising speed.
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Speaker 11: That's when they're the best.
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Speaker 14: Electric cars are actually best around town because they have
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Speaker 14: a thing called regenerated breaking. When you take your foot
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Speaker 14: off the accelerator, the energy, instead of being captured by
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Speaker 14: normal brakes, is captured by generators which reach to the battery.
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Speaker 14: Now a friend of mine, Roland, he's got a sporting
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Speaker 14: electric electric car. He says he gets the best economy
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Speaker 14: when he drives it in full sport mode because it
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Speaker 14: gives him the best regenia breaking. So there are all
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Speaker 14: sorts of things that are counterintuitive that we're all having
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Speaker 14: to learn. And the thing that I come back to
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Speaker 14: all the time Steve, is, yeah, you live one hundred
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Speaker 14: and twenty k's away, and what if you forget to
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Speaker 14: recharge the thing? If you have to stop, you can't
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Speaker 14: just you know, I can't just get another five leaders
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Speaker 14: from a local servo. Or if the car is going
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Speaker 14: down rapidly on charging, if you're driving hob night or something,
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Speaker 14: you can't just struck into a servo. That's where the
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Speaker 14: real problem comes with these things. That's why people need
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Speaker 14: to be aware of what the actual range of their
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Speaker 14: vehicle is on your observation.
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Speaker 1: Just finally, is the charging infrastructure getting better?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 14: Straight not a stanswer, no, because the thing about it
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Speaker 14: is it's not keeping pace.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 14: Electric vehicle sales this year, well last month we're up
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Speaker 14: by nine point one percent. Now that's a pretty miserable
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Speaker 14: increase when they reckon that we're all going to be
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Speaker 14: driving electric cars inside five years. But the problem is
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Speaker 14: the more electric cars you get. And I've seen this.
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Speaker 14: There's a charger that I use when I'm roadtesting cars
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Speaker 14: near my house. I've been down there a couple of
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Speaker 14: times in the past month. And I've had to either
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Speaker 14: drive away or wait for an hour for somebody else
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Speaker 14: to charge their vehicle. So the government is talking about
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Speaker 14: wonderful rollouts, you know, state, federal, local are all talking
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Speaker 14: about street side charging, but it's not working out in
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Speaker 14: the sort of range that you're going to need. And
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Speaker 14: even if there are putting some charges, in my experience
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Speaker 14: is that they're not keeping pace with the number of
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Speaker 14: cars that are out there and in fact falling behind.
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Speaker 1: Great point. Paul, Thank you all. Was pleasure to catch
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Speaker 1: up with you. Paul, go over there now after the break.
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Speaker 1: Labor's pledging an additional nine twenty five million dollars for Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: What exactly will that money be used for? And is
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Speaker 1: it enough? Plus pressure mounts over those US boat strikes
42:09
Speaker 1: on alleged drug smugglers made panel Koshergada and Michael Danby
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Speaker 1: up next. Let's bring in Peter's international panel Thursday night.
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Speaker 1: They joined Peter. Joining me is Skye News contributor Coosher
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Speaker 1: Garda and former Labor MP Michael Dandy. Let's talk about Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: I want to get both of your opinion on this
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Speaker 1: first time this year. I believe Australia has put their
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Speaker 1: hand in their pocket, pledged a further ninety five million dollars,
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Speaker 1: which is a lot of money in support to Ukraine,
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Speaker 1: further sanctions on Russia's shadow tanker. I can't quite keep
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Speaker 1: up with that issue, whether we're buying Russian oil or not. Michael,
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Speaker 1: are we doing enough to help Ukraine? And what's your
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Speaker 1: what's your feeling on what? When this war is going
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Speaker 1: to end at any time soon.
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Speaker 15: Look, Australia's doing something, it's very minor compared to the
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Speaker 15: Europeans who are shouldering most of the burden. The Germans
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Speaker 15: have set aside two billion euros in the last few days.
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Speaker 15: The real thing we could be doing is barring the
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Speaker 15: two billion dollars. I think it is of imports via
43:28
Speaker 15: Indian and Chinese refineries that Australian consumers are effectively buying
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Speaker 15: Russian oil. So in fact we're subsidizing the Russian war machine.
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Speaker 15: And if we barred those and if Trump puts secondary
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Speaker 15: sanctions on those two things, that would be much more effective.
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Speaker 15: The battle for Ukraine is being one or lost in
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Speaker 15: the White House, and it depends who's up and who's down.
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Speaker 15: It depends what if Witkough and the pro isolationist element
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Speaker 15: in Maga Emphant. The Ukrainians will lose. They have to
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Speaker 15: keep hanging on. They do not want to give up
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Speaker 15: their country. It's like someone telling us, like MacArthur told
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Speaker 15: us during the Second World War, Steve, that we had
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Speaker 15: to give up all of northern Australia north of the
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Speaker 15: Brisbane Line. We wouldn't do it, We'd be mad to.
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Speaker 15: And the Ukrainians are the same thing. They've got that
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Speaker 15: fortified built that in the Donbas that they don't want
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Speaker 15: to give up. It leaves an open road to Kiev
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Speaker 15: and Kharkiv and people on the ground which mister Witkoff
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Speaker 15: has never visited, never visited. A man who's giving away
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Speaker 15: another person's country will leave them, the Russians a complete
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Speaker 15: open road. So the whole thing is in balance.
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Speaker 1: At the moment.
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Speaker 15: Australia plays very little role, but we could do an
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Speaker 15: important thing by barring the Indian and Chinese oil refineries.
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Speaker 1: Kosher I mean, you can mount an argument that Europe
44:54
Speaker 1: itself has not done enough up until now. Do you
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Speaker 1: think that Donald Trump and his supporters really want to
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Speaker 1: get involved in pouring more money and more weapons into
45:07
Speaker 1: this Ukrainian war? Would they rather just be able to
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Speaker 1: walk away from it.
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Speaker 16: They are declining their interest and their support for funding
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Speaker 16: by the minute. It's down in the twenties right now.
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Speaker 16: When the Warfaret came out, support was north of fifties,
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Speaker 16: quite divided between the left and the right of the country.
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Speaker 16: But it is now down in the twenties because, as
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Speaker 16: we know, the America First movement is ascendant, that is
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Speaker 16: Donald Trump's movement.
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Speaker 6: At least half the country sees it.
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Speaker 16: Not that they don't care about Ukraine's sovereignty, but they
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Speaker 16: care about their own sovereignty more. And we have problems
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Speaker 16: back home where the money can be better applied, and
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Speaker 16: let's defend our own border. And so someone else's word
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Speaker 16: that kind of thing.
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Speaker 15: So it, but Steve, you don't decide foreign policy on
45:45
Speaker 15: the basis of public opinion polls. I mean, really, we
45:49
Speaker 15: decided US press striving foreign policy.
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Speaker 6: On the basis constituents.
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Speaker 17: Just to finish my point the year, so I know,
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Speaker 17: I know, But so is the American Congress and the
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Speaker 17: American Senate people who want to put a bar on
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Speaker 17: Ukraine eighty five.
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Speaker 16: Stating the electorate to answer your questions to you that
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Speaker 16: this is where the electrics are No, you're.
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Speaker 15: Stating the megaview, the Tucker Carlson megaview.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yes, I think what Gas is saying is
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Speaker 1: the reality is that Middle America probably don't care about Ukraine, or.
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Speaker 16: They care, but they don't want any more money flowing
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Speaker 16: into it.
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Speaker 15: Eighty five American senators say they should put secondary sanctions
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Speaker 15: on the Russians, and they should.
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Speaker 16: And Sanu.
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Speaker 6: The American system is not.
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Speaker 15: Just the American president, it's the Senate, and it's the judiciary.
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Speaker 15: There's a balance of all of these kinds of.
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Speaker 16: Yes, mikeel that is implicit. That is implicit in my comment.
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Speaker 16: They're serving their constituents. So money, I think is a
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Speaker 16: tougher point. Sanctions, I think are a little bit easier
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Speaker 16: because it's not hard cash going out. He is still
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Speaker 16: giving money. But your question is where is the support,
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Speaker 16: and it is really declining.
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Speaker 1: Kajure, I mean, I think the Democrats are putting more
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Speaker 1: pressure on Donald Trump over the Epstein issue too. I mean,
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Speaker 1: never seen before seeing photos, these are really creepy of
47:00
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's Island home. I mean, there was a dental
47:03
Speaker 1: chair in there. It's just a very strange thing. But
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Speaker 1: I presume the Democrats are pushing this stuff out. When
47:08
Speaker 1: you look at these images, this place doesn't look very
47:11
Speaker 1: inviting at all. But I think this is part of
47:14
Speaker 1: the Democrats saying, well, you know, Donald Trump probably went
47:18
Speaker 1: there or might have been there, and look how weird
47:21
Speaker 1: and creepy it is. You think this is a political move.
47:23
Speaker 6: By then it seems to be fully political. There's nothing new.
47:27
Speaker 6: I mean, it is creepy.
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Speaker 16: Everything about Epstein has always been creepy, and it just
47:30
Speaker 16: conjures up images of all the shady things that went there.
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Speaker 16: They've never alleged that Trump has been to the island,
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Speaker 16: because that's been well reported that he hasn't been. But
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Speaker 16: I think what it does is it does get it
47:39
Speaker 16: back into the news cycle. And I think that's the
47:42
Speaker 16: biggest mistake that the Trump team made, is that they've
47:44
Speaker 16: been on the back foot and they didn't actually control
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Speaker 16: the narrative, release all of this out front when they're base. Again,
47:50
Speaker 16: their base elected them and put them in off Is
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Speaker 16: wanted that to happen. They didn't, and now it sounds
47:54
Speaker 16: like they're always on defense and you're going to keep
47:57
Speaker 16: seeing this drip drip of things coming from all sides,
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Speaker 16: but certainly from the left because it's a political win.
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Speaker 16: It's a way to reshape the narrative, reclaim the news
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Speaker 16: cycle in a way that's damaging.
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Speaker 1: Do you think Trump's got a problem with the Epstein stuff.
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Speaker 15: Michael, Oh, he does, but he's also got a problem
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Speaker 15: with a whole lot of things around the world. I
48:17
Speaker 15: think the Venezuela thing is the most important thing. I
48:21
Speaker 15: noticed the President was a bit reticent about the second
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Speaker 15: strike on that boat. I think popular support for opposition
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Speaker 15: to fentanyl spread in America by the Venezuelan has got
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Speaker 15: popular support.
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Speaker 1: The whole thing about it. I think there's the right
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Speaker 1: to do it drug dealers. Nobody cares if a boat
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Speaker 1: full of drug dealers gets blown up. Got to end
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Speaker 1: at their kosher and Michael, thank you very much. Coming up,
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Speaker 1: James McPherson for Andrew Bob