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O'Brien & Doug Ep189 [April 4, 2024 Read Through the Cracks] · O'Brien & Doug

• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to the O'Brien and Doug podcast.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm O'Brien.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_05: I'm Doug.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_05: I don't.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_05: Hello, everybody.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_05: Hello, everybody.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_05: Hello, everybody.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_05: The office?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: Is that what the thing is?
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Steve Acarell.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: Is that I can't.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, everybody.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: Fat Mike?
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Fat Mike.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it was.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um This is episode 189.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: 189.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: And we were just talking uh before we started uh recording that I guess it's April 9th will be our four-year anniversary.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_04: We'll be four years old.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: So let's see.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: That would be next Tuesday?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_04: So it'll be the day after the big eclipse.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: We're all gonna be dead anyway.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_04: Hopefully.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_04: Tired of hearing about it.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_04: You'd think it was the biggest thing.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_04: You know?
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_04: I don't even think the second coming of Jesus will be as big as this eclipse.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: My family gets a little upset with me because, you know, you know, you watch the the the TV and it's every little every little thing is the eclipse, the eclipse, the eclipse, you know.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: And there's t-shirts.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: Every place every place has t-shirts too.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_04: T-shirts and the glass and the eclipse glasses.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like I am over it.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, Dad, you're such a party pooper.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: It only happens once you're electrodes.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, I don't care.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's not a big deal.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's I I mean, if this was like 500 years ago, you'd all be freaking out.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Because you didn't know what was going on.
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  SPEAKER_04: You'd think it was the end of the world.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: Right, but now it's a party.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: We know what's going on.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, everybody's like, it, you know, don't get me wrong, I like capitalism, but you know, they're they're they're going a little far.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's an eclipse.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it happens.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna last, what, three minutes?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, all this for three minutes.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, come on.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: My daughter's like, Dad, we gotta get some we gotta get some uh uh glasses, eclipse glasses.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm not looking at the thing.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be at work.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: We are we are such curmudgeons, it's not even funny.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, whatever.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that that's part of our endearing qualities.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: You think so?
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, I people I think I mean we're we're this close to being uh Statler and Walder from the Muppets.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're this close.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: I've thought that for a while.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: We're a balcony away from being those guys.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: I've thought that for a while.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: Because I I love I I just I was telling somebody uh yesterday or the day before, I love to complain.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_04: I don't I don't want anybody to do anything about it.
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  SPEAKER_04: You just like to complain.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_04: I just like to complain.
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  SPEAKER_04: I just like to, you know, go on about things that I hate.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: Because you can.
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  SPEAKER_04: Because I can and I feel good.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: I feel good about I feel good about it.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like I was what was I thinking, what was I complaining about the other day?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_04: I was cla you know, because I'm I'm backing off of social media.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm sick and tired of people complaining about money, but yet you have money to go to Hawaii and take a trip here and do this and do that.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_04: But yet.
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  SPEAKER_04: The economy sucks.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: Well, where are you getting all your money?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_04: And you're posting all these pictures on you know social media about the money.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's where they're getting the money.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: No, these are normal people, they're not influencers, they're just normal people.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_04: You know, one minute they're complaining, you know, oh, this is money, blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_04: We're not making any money.
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  SPEAKER_04: Next minute, oh, here's our pictures from Hawaii.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, where did the money come from, genius?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, what they're not telling you is they are Well, I mean, their credit card debt must be substantial.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: They are in miles and miles of debt.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_04: That's what that's what I'm thinking.
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  SPEAKER_04: And then just it just so I was complaining about that, and and somebody looked at me and they were like, Wow.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_04: And they were like, You you've been thinking about this for a while.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, I think about everything a lot for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_04: That's what I do.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, you can't take the money with you.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's true.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's true.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you can't take it with you.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I mean you might as well enjoy it.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_04: But don't, but if you're gonna do that, don't complain about it.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: Don't, you know, just just do, you know, if if you just post pictures of your trip, awesome.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_04: Enjoy.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_04: But then don't then the next post don't be like, oh, I can't believe it.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_05: I need money.
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  SPEAKER_05: I can't buy a house.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you can't buy a house because you just went to Hawaii.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_04: That's why you can't buy a house more.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: It costs you twenty thousand dollars.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, whatever.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, don't I'm just I'm just tired of people.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I know, I get it.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: Except the people that listen to this podcast.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you're a fantastic.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because they are all awesome.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, they are.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: They're all awesome people.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um Thanks, Cousin Larry, for the nice intro, by the way.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's always nice.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: Always nice.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_04: I always listen, I always I always like our I like our new bumper stuff.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I have some other he sent me more.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: I just haven't had time to edit any more, so we've been using the code.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, when when we need a little refresher, we'll just throw another one in.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, we we you know let's let's you know, let's let's enjoy I'm still enjoying it, so let's let's let's keep it going.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's cool that he's the voice of O'Brien Dunn.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: You should be.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: I I do.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_04: I want to talk about Oh, by the way, yeah, I I didn't show up to the shower yesterday because number one, I didn't know anything about it.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um because I got my invitation very late.
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  SPEAKER_04: Did you?
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  SPEAKER_04: And I'm going to tell you why.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um if you if you look here, the address is wrong, number one.
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  SPEAKER_04: Number two, the zip code is for a town over fifty miles away.
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  SPEAKER_04: So the fact that I got this invitation at all is a miracle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: Well, let me tell you this.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: I gave them the address.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_02: I gave my son the address.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: That is not his handwriting.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_04: No, I know it's definitely not his handwriting.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: So it was so the translation from my son It it's telephone, is what it is.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: It was a game of telephone.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is the end result.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: That's exactly what it is.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why Jude and Kristen, I I'm sure it was a beautiful thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: I I'm sorry I missed it, but I didn't know until just recently when my card miraculously showed up.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh defying all logic and reason.
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  SPEAKER_02: It went well.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was ca it was chaotic.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm sure it was.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was quite chaotic, but it it went well.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um speaking of things that you I got a um a postcard in the mail from my son's teacher, uh, Mrs.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: Gordon, and she said uh it was addressed to Mr.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: and Mrs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mosier.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she said, uh, I just wanted to let you know that I'm really happy with uh Sarah and the way it you know she helps the kids, and you know, she was a really big help in class today, so you should be very proud of her, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_04: When did when did you get a daughter named Sarah?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: Did you adopt somebody while over the weekend?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to say, uh no, I have a lot of kids.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: No Sarah.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember I have having a Sarah.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, I Alright, hold on, roll call.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I took a picture of it, the address, and the other side of the note, and I sent it to her because she's a teacher friend of mine as well.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I said, I said, um Ms.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: Gordon, um we appreciate uh the sentiment.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm sure Sarah's parents would also appreciate uh knowing about this or and she says, Well, well, Finn should have got one too.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my land.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: She said, did I mix those up?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_04: So did Sarah's parents get Finn?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure Sarah's parents got Finn's little note.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: I just wanted you to know that Finn was a big help in class today.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's funny, man.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it happens.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: It happens.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh just it was just it just cracked me out.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of school, let's talk about our first skinny Elvis gig.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: That was awesome.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't it awesome?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: It was awesome.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: And the kids were awesome.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: We were we we played Ashland uh community school or Ashland District School, I guess, which is K through 12.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um I think everybody had a great time.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't think anybody had a better time than the band.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, we had a blast.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because this was so skinny Elvis is a is a new thing for us, and it's kind of an outlet for us.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and we've talked about it before.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: But we're doing you know, we're doing like nineties uh uh you know, I say grunge, it's not grunge, it's not grunge.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's just nineties rock.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's just nineties rock.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, some of the teachers were digging it, and we you killed it.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_04: I I I I'm gonna be honest with you.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_04: I was really freaking nervous.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: The whole like whole time, like in the morning, as soon as I got up, I was like, oh man.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: I can't believe I'm gonna do it.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_04: You couldn't tell because I mean Well, no, because I got I because once I got there and we started setting up, I was like, oh, okay.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just a gig.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's another gig.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, except I'm now the lead singer.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_04: Which was awesome.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_04: It was fun.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_04: I had a great time.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: And and I'm gonna be completely honest with you because we've been brothers for a long time.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: When we first started Skinny Elvis and you started singing, it was kind of my idea, actually, to have you be the singer.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then you came and you were you were singing, and I was like, oh, is this a good idea?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, is this is this gonna work?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because your phrasing was off.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_04: You know, because you don't sing this time.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: No, I'm not it's not my thing.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I'm just gonna be completely honest with you, I was like, oh, what did we do here?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then as we kept going, and you were like internalizing the lyrics, you were writing them out by hand.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think that helps you.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it helps me remember them.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: So you're writing them out by hand, and you'd you'd bring them to each rehearsal, and that rehearsal you'd kill it.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, okay, this is cool, this could be good.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then the next rehearsal you come and we do other songs, and I'm like, okay, this was a good decision.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: And then we play our first gig, and I was like, my word.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: It was hysterical, man.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it was awesome.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was just I was just having a blast.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: And you could tell.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's what people like to see.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's and they're not necessarily going to hear.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, none of us are perfect at what we do.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, obviously.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but they're going to see a band having fun.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: You know, and that's uh if anything, that's what you're gonna see with uh with Skinny Elvis.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's just five guys having fun.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I say five guys, I don't know, you know, Joel's kind of been uh Shanghai's into the band.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: He's it's kind of in Limboso.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well I think we I think they they want him in the band, you know.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um I would love to have him in the band.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: But he has not like agreed to do that.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_04: No, I think I think I think if we asked him to be, he would, you know, be like, well, I'll show up if I can.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: Which is fine.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: If he can't show up, great.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_04: If he can, awesome.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_04: Awesome.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_04: You know, so I just I just like having been part of the skinny Elvis thing.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, it was it was great because it was just like as soon as we started playing, I was like, everything just all it was on like, okay, here we go.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yep, gig time.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: And it was great.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: It was fun.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm glad I'm glad I finally figured out the lyric program on the iPad.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_04: Because I've had that thing, because you you and Shane had that forever.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_04: And you got me into it, and I was like, I cannot figure this thing out for the life of me.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: And now that you know, it's kind of easy.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's kind of easy now.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's still kind of a pain because you have to it is a pain.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you have to type it out, or you know, you gotta make it at a PDF, and then you gotta put it to the Dropbox, and then from the Dropbox it has to be downloaded into the you know, and I'm like, I'm like, that's a lot of steps.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: I wish it could just go right directly into you know, but that's that's neither here nor there.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: But now that I got it figured out, it's like having the lyrics on an iPad is so much easier.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: Because I, you know, like I I press the the screen, the next set of lyrics coming up, you know.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_04: What song we play?
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't tell you what I did at the Ashland gig.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: I dropped my iPad.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: The screen's all cracked.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, it's not good.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I said to my mom, I said, Oh, it looks like I gotta get another iPad.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, Oh, I think we're gonna put a freeze on some big purchases.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, honey, I need that for gigs.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, I think you can read through the cracks.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Read through the cracks, read through the cracks.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: That's the name of the iPad of the podcast.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wait, I thought you had a different name for the podcast.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, I was just opened up that book and just What was it again?
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: It was a poem or something?
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_04: The The Lame Shall Enter First or something.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I don't know.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's a short story, apparently.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_04: The lame shall enter first.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I like that better.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_04: Read through the cracks.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Read through the cracks.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's what we're gonna have to do.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: That's how we do things around here.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_04: We just uh buy the seat of our pants and read through the cracks.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: So um, okay, so let's get to music because basically that's what this podcast is about.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: Wow wait, I'm trying to think if there's any other personal stuff we had to talk about.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: So with Skinny Elvis, uh, that was it, right?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's the only thing we've done.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh uh we are we do have a uh word out to Joko again, Josh Kovach.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um trying to get him on the podcast.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh obviously he's busy again tonight because he hasn't uh hasn't gotten back to us.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: So we're just gonna keep going.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Keep on trucking.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Skid Row are out a lead singer again.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: So and they're on tour.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently, I I haven't read the story, but Eric Gronwall, who was the replacement for the first guy, who was a replacement for Sebastian Bach.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is their third singer.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure that's the way it goes.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: It sounds about right.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's hard to keep up at this point.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: It says right here in the in the cut line.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: He was the fourth singer.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, well then we okay.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: The band has worked with since they split with Sebastian Bach.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, do I want to open up the story and read it?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I want to.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I don't think as much as I like Skid Row, I really don't care about the internal politics about what's going on, why they keep losing.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_04: They're like the spinal tap of you know for lead singers.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: They just keep losing them.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: But the cool thing about this one is because they're on tour and they've got all they've promised all these dates, and they just apparently either he I I don't know whether he quit or whether he was fired.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: I could oh, I could open up the article.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: We could open it up and say, But I'm not I'm not going to.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're not that vested in it.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: But they're gonna keep the tour going.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: And Lizzie Hale is gonna sing lead for Skid Row.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: To f to fill fulfill their tour dates.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because that girl can sing and play.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my word.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_04: So now they got another guitar and an awesome singer.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_04: So why would you need anything else?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_04: Besides the fact that she already has her own band.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Who's probably not on tour right now?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_04: I would say they aren't.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't seen anything.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: Because they she was on tour with uh Nita Strauss for a while, but Nita Strauss is out, you know, is done touring for the spring.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_04: So I guess Lizzie's looking, you know, she's free.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_04: She got some time on her hands.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: She's like, hey, I'll sing with Skid Row.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_04: Why not?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think they still do Youth Gone Wild in in concert?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_04: Probably.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it doesn't have the same meaning anymore.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Just like Winger's 17 doesn't have any.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it just, you know, it's just it's a song title.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_04: You know, his.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: We're 55 years old.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're 60 years old.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we're we're AARP members now.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: So we I am an AARP member.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: Are you?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: I've joined.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: I re I refuse to join that.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, there's all kinds of benefits.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Perks.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm not going to uh because um number one, I don't like that.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want to join.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: You don't want to say that you're no, it's not that I have no I I mean I'm getting old.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_04: I don't care.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: I don't care who knows it.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_04: But uh I don't want to join a group that I ref I like to refer to as the ancient and uh retired ancient retired people.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: Ancient retired people?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well because their magazine annoys me.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't read their magazine.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: I think I get their mag I think I get their magazine.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well you do because it's part of this I guess so joining the cult.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean the group.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't read it, but I get all kinds of cool discounts.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay, that's fine.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I take advantage of those.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: And my wife uh I was able to join, even though she's your wife's not old enough.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, she is.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_04: Not in my head.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're true.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: She looks like a she's about 30, 35.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she she she got lucky.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: She did.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um but she could have joined ARP, but one of the benefits of me joining was that my spouse could join for free.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well, there you go.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we did it.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we did.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I don't have a spouse, so that's why I'm not gonna join.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_04: That you know of.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_04: Not that I uh I don't I can't imagine any woman hates herself that much to align to align herself with me.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, come on.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um here's a quiz for you.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're a big Beatles guy.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: I am.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Sir Paul McCartney, and I knew this before I read this article, but Sir Paul McCartney has a favorite Beatles song.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what it is?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you you already guessed yesterday, so I'm not gonna Yeah, I and and if and anything beyond that, I have no idea.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what would be his favorite Beatles song because he had a hand in all of them.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_04: So I have no idea what his favorite is.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's an interesting pick.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um I wanna see uh oh, yeah, that's who it was.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: He's a big fan of Fred Esther.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_04: And he's Please don't tell me it was uh when I'm 64.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, it was not when I'm 64.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I think you'll be able to appreciate why he chose this.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's a lilting melody, and this is my words, not the article's words.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: A lilting melody that kind of just builds on itself and climbs.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a very pretty melody.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's a total Paul McCartney song.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um actually, maybe I can play it for you.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Did he write it?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yes.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm I'm positive that he was the um principal songwriter in this song.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure I have it, because I have most of the Beatles stuff here.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Unless it's on Unless it's on the uh one one or two Beatles albums that I don't have.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: I should say one or two Beatles CDs that I don't have.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: What's an album?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, no, I have it.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: I have it.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_04: This is it.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_04: Here, there, and everywhere.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't know that was his favorite.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: This is his favorite one.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: That he's ever written for the Beatles.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay, that makes sense.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: But you see how it climbs.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: And it it kind of builds on itself.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: And the chord structure.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: And lyrically too, I mean it's here, there, and everywhere, he kind of makes every verse.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: But you said you thought it would have been yesterday.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: I I I say that, but I think that was just like his everywhere.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: I've always thought of yesterday as his like breakout from being Lennon and McCartney.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: Because it was it was the first solo Beatles song.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_04: Because it was just him and the guitar.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_04: You know, there was there was no John, no Ringo, no George.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_04: You know.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: But I can see why he would like this song.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I get it now.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: But like you agree, total Paul McCartney.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's totally Paul.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: John Lennon was nowhere around.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: His only contribution to this song is the background bowl.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of a neat little what is the word I'm looking for?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh dissonant.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of a dissonant guitar solo there that kind of snuck in there, and it's it's like it's it's like it doesn't sound right almost.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it doesn't belong.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but it works.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_04: But it does.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't, but it does.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't, right?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so yeah, I thought that was kind of a neat uh a neat story.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: We do have a list.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: We all love our lists from ultimate rock lists.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: From ultimate uh classicrock.com.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: And this is Milk, eggs, bacon.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: So all this is I have not pre I have not looked at this list.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know what we're in store for.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um but Well, it'll be an adventure.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: The title of it is intriguing.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Fifty of the most uh misunderstood songs in rock.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: Alright.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know what this means.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, the the cutline was You might think you know what these songs are about.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: So uh I don't think I know the song and I like Megadeth.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: This is one of their famous ones too.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh To Le Mont.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, To Le Mont.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh that was about I think if I'm if I remember right.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: That was about uh Steve Clark.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_04: If I from Def Leopard, yeah.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: I think this was on Symphony for Destruction.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_05: More seriously, after things.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Euthanasia.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it was a euthanasia?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: I knew it was one of those two.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not about Steve Clark.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's not, okay.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know what is it?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Are you confusing Song and Emotion from Tesla?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, because that was about Steve Clark.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was about Steve Clark.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: So this says at one point Megadeth's Atulaman was banned from MTV as the network named it a pro-suicide song.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: But that was the furthest thing from the truth, according to David Stane.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: It was basically about a dream I had where my mom had died suddenly and it was very shocking.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: And in my dream, my mom was able to come back to Earth and say one thing only.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that one thing was, I love you.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought that would be great if I was able, when I go to heaven, to come back and say one thing to the people who I love, I would want to say, I love you.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, I did not know that.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't either.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: I can honestly say I've never heard this song.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's it's a good song.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like a good song.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: It kinda, I don't know.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_04: I like to I like to think of it as like because Mustaine's uh Mustaine has always lived in the shadow of Hetfield.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_04: And so when you're singing in French, I think it's like a hey, it's like a snub to Hetfield, like, hey, I'm singing in French.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: There's never been a Metallica song where you sing in French.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_04: I always I always like think like that.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's just always like especially back in those days.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm more sophisticated than you.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's like, hey, uh oh, you're singing English?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, Megadeth is singing in French.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_04: Uh a tout la Mont.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: As well as English, we're bilingual.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: We're bilingual.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_04: You Neanderthals and uh Metallica, you suck it.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of Metallica.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, there we go.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so tell me.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Ain't my B-word.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Ain't my B-word.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh from Load.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what this is about?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_04: I have no idea.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh says frankly, the misunderstanding regarding Metallicas ain't my B-word.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh was the responsibility of the listeners who assume the title referred to a woman, but that wasn't the case.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was instead a metaphor for a situation being complicated or problematic.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of makes sense.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: Ain't my problem.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's a pretty great song.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it's pesky hard rocker.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_04: Now the cover I don't want to talk about at all because if you've seen the load cover, you know exactly what's going on.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: What's to say the name of the album is Load.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so we're just gonna leave it at that.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: This is a pretty great song.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I do like this album.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a bad album.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: And Reload wasn't a bad album.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_04: But it was just, I think, you know, because everybody was coming off of the black album.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: So there was.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: How do you follow that up?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: You can't.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: You can't.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's gonna, you you gotta take a step backwards.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: So, we're going to Pearl Jam.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: Which one?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I guess we'll find out here in a second.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's from 10.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: Is it from 10?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Any idea what alive is about?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_04: I have no idea.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: I never I it's not, it's not because I can't understand what better's saying anyway.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_04: So I never really thought about the lyrics, to be honest with you.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: So again.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: I knew it was always it sounded like he was thinking about his dad.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: But what you thought was your daddy.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, what's that?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: What did he just say?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_04: After after what you what you thought you was your daddy.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Was nothing but a.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: Was that what he said?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: Because all I heard was your real daddy was dying.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry you didn't see it, but I'm glad we talked.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: So, but again, I'm still alive?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Is that is that his dad?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, according to Ultimate Classic Rock, on the surface, it makes sense.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: The fans would hear the lyrics to Alive and consider it a song of great resiliency.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: But for Eddie Vetter, who based at least parts of Alive on his own experience, uh, learning that the man he believed to be his biological father turned out not to be, it was supposed to read darker.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: He's still dealing, he's still growing up, he's still dealing with love, he's still dealing with the death of his father.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, all he knows is I'm still alive.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Those three words, that's totally out of out of burden.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Four years later, Pearl James immortality was also misrepresented as being about Kirk Cobain and his death, which Vedder has firmly denied.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: He apparently he grew up thinking that the guy was his biological father, and it wasn't.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I got that a little bit, but I didn't realize it was actually Eddie Vetter's.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, American Girl, Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: I have no idea, man.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_04: I always I I like this song.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, me too.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of my favorite Tom Petty songs, actually.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: But I have no idea what it's about.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um for a while there's a rumor going around that Tom Petty's American Girl was written about a young woman who committed suicide by jumping off a building at the University of Florida in Gainesville.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_04: This was which is his hometown.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: This is not true.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Decades later, a similar situation occurred.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: While it was true that 2002's The Last DJ was inspired by Jim Ladd, the point was bigger than that, and radio was only meant as a metaphor for society's apparent design.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, it does not tell me what this song is about.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: What I find interesting these days is what the audience is willing to accept.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: I often wonder if they even care.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to believe that, but there's a huge celebration of mediocrity in our culture.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't remember it to this extent before.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's an understatement.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: That is an understatement.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: But it doesn't tell me what the song is about.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_07: It was a great big world.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you let me down, Ultimate Classic Rock.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: They like to do that.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they do, every once in a while.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think we know what this one's about.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the Guess Who?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: American Woman.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, American Woman.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I've heard this story.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Canadian rock band The Guess Who was not trying to make some kind of political statement with American Woman.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: What was on my mind was that the girls in the States seemed to get older quicker than our girls, and that made them, well, dangerous.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Burton Cummings said that, lead singer.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: When he said American Woman, stay away from me, I really meant Canadian woman, I prefer you.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: It was all a happy accident.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I'm I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna clear this up right now.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_04: The reason he says that is because frozen women stay fresher longer.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I never thought about it like that.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's very cold in Canada, therefore your women age slower.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: So oh, that was awesome.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm skipping some of these.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Bodestafa from Steely Dan.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's Bodestaffa.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I have no idea what but it's a Steely Dan song.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_04: You're just like, well, you don't you okay, go ahead.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well no.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually a great Steely Dan song.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great song, yeah.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um in the late 60s, quite a few rock and roll artists turned their attention toward meditation practices, enlightenment, and other Eastern rituals.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Steely dance Gloristaffa was something of a parody of this phenomenon, which most people didn't pick up on.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: As Donald Fagin put it, lure of East, hubris of hippies, a quick fix.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_05: I love it.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: So he's basically making fun of making fun of that.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: That whole phenomenon.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_04: What song was Steely Dan's song?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_04: I've always found it interesting, was Deacon Blues.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_04: Because if you listen to the to the the chorus of it, um, you're like, what is he trying to say here?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: You know, because it's it's it's just such a it's kind of dark, yeah, but it's kind of lighthearted at the same time.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I find that about a lot of steely dances.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean it's just it's just such it's the dejectaposition of the of the lyrics.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just like, what's going on?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: Because I I I I Deacon Blues is one of my favorite uh it's long too.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: And it's a long force.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's what we call a uh number two song.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for the radio station.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta go to the bathroom and you go to number two.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_04: That's uh um uh uh Working Man.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, right, from Rush.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: From Rush.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: That was like that was that was a number two song.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_04: I believe that was uh 707.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: There you go, see I think that's the reason why people started playing it, it was because it was a really long song, and they were like, hey.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Born in the USA.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: Probably an entirely separate list for songs that have been assumed to be patriotic and are actually opposite.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's anti-war.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it's anti-war.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Brass and Pocket, the Pretenders.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know that song.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Do I?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you do.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: You probably didn't know it was called Brass and Pocket, but yeah.
• 32:42
  unknown: Oh!
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_04: We got brass.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, isn't that about their uh guitar player?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, let's find out.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she pretty much always rejected the idea that she's a feminist leader in rock music, and that applied to brass and pocket too.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: When people say that there's this strong female persona driving the song, it drives me crazy.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the girl thing seems to be real important for other people, but I'm mystified by it.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: For me, Brass and Pocket was supposed to be real traditional because tradition in rock is what turns me on.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: We want our rock singers to be confident and cocky, and brass and pocket was an act.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: My attempt to write a song sounded like that.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually buried tongue in cheek.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I have that line where I sing, I'm winking at you.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh once again, classic rock, ultimate classic rock.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't tell us what the song is about.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: So apparently it's like uh being a BA lead singer.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh apparently.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I thought that this was this whole thing was supposed to tell us you know what the songs were about.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: I think I think I think sometimes uh Ultimate Classic Rock drops the ball.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_04: Not intentionally, but I think I think they all have ADHD.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_04: So and they're like writing the article.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_04: They're they're like, oh you know, my cat has got to go to the van.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_04: What was I writing?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, never mind.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh every breath you take.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um The Ultimate Stalker song.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I know it's I don't think it's that.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it's pretty close to it.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: It says, I think the song is very, very sinister and ugly, and people actually have misinterpreted it as being a gentle little love song when it's quite the opposite.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's the ultimate stalker song.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you're just every breath you take, every move you make.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, I'll be watching you.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, uh, you know, people have said to me that they got married to this song, like this was their wedding song.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh really?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: How would you do that?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like uh Fortunate Sun.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: C C R the Anti-War.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: Anti-war, yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even gonna go there.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Good riddance, the time of your life, green day.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, how how do you misinterpret that?
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Let's find out.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it became immensely popular at high school proms graduations and similar rite of passage events, with its lyrics about turning points and forks in the road.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: But this was not at all what Billy Joe Armstrong originally had in mind when he wrote the song.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: He actually penned it as an irritated kiss-off to his girlfriend at the time who had up and moved to Ecuador.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's a weird place to be.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_04: Why would you move to Ecuador unless you were from there?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe she was.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_04: I hope so.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_04: I hope so too.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know why you wouldn't have Peace Corps.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um No Creeds Higher is not a drug reference.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's also not some sort of ascension to heaven.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: Instead, it's about lucid dreaming.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: You're physically asleep, but you're awake in your mind.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_04: Lucid dreaming is a really trippy thing, man.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever done it?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: But I've talked to people that have, and it's just like Scott Stapp said uh by training himself to lucid dream, he was able to stop the recurring nightmares he'd been having, and he wrote higher about his experience doing so.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: I never liked this song.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's not a great song, to be honest with you.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_04: But if you want to feel old, Scott Stapp is a grandfather now.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: So and I don't really I never really liked his voice.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_04: He's a good singer, but it was that's that whole it's that whole 90s thing.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, or you're shit.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not saying it's bad.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: I just never really I never really dug it.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: I mean they were like they were nickelback before nickelback was nickelback.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you know what I mean?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: And now they're back together.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: Mark Chimani, great guitar player.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh okay, so moving on.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: I never knew what this song was.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I guess I kind of thought I knew what this song was about, but this is uh let me fast forward so I can get because this is the video.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, Genesis.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_04: I love the I just love the video to this song because it's hilarious.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Any idea what what this is?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_04: I really don't know to be honest with you, because it's it's a Genesis song.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_04: I've never tried to figure out the meaning of a Genesis song ever.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the the I guess I love that.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: The video kind of kind of helps.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Phil Collins said it's a it's about guys that look good but can't string a sentence together.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Each verse is a piss take at the scenario of a jeans commercial.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: It was good fun, but the audience but the audience thought, what does he mean that he can't dance?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't see the humor and it killed the fun.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's a great video.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_04: And it's a good song, too, to be honest with you.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: I like the song.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite part is the end when the it's kind of the bloopers.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: Let me see.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: Where is it?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you see the behind the scenes, watch.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_06: I can see how just that is setting everything.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: Just, you know, I don't know.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's really it's really just a fun song.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_04: You know, to me anyway.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, it is.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm skipping a bunch of these.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh oh, in the air tonight.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: Bill Collins.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's about his first divorce.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you think it is.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm pretty sure I read that in his book.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: Probably just want to read it again.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: Phil Collins says, he admitted to the BBC World Service, I don't know what this song is about.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: When I was writing this, I was going through a divorce.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: And the only thing I can say about it is that it's obviously in anger.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's the angry side or the bitter side of a separation.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: So what makes it even more comical is when I hear these stories, which started many years ago, particularly in America, of someone coming up to me and saying, Did you really see someone drowning?
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: I said, No, wrong.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then every time I go back to America, the story gets Chinese whispers.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: It gets more and more elaborate.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's so frustrating because this is one song out of all the songs, probably, that I've ever written, that I really don't know what it's about.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_04: That line about you know watching somebody drown and whatnot.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I saw you doing it like you think yourself.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so this is a revenge.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean I can I can see where he's coming from.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: Let's let's go back a little ways.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: The monkeys.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: Last train to Clarksville.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what this is about?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the last train to Clarksville?
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but do you know why?
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's a some it's a reference to something cultural, if I remember right.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_04: Not quite.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just listen to the words for a second.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Where is it going?
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_06: Well, considering the time, it must be about Vietnam.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: It is, yeah.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so so Clarksville, Tennessee, turns out it was near an army base.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if I'm ever coming home was a take had a different meeting.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: So considering it was a monkey song in the first one, uh, Mickey Dolans was always surprised that the record company even released it.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um it just went right over their head.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: But yes, it was a protest song.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that makes sense.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, you know, I wanna I wanna be with you because in the morning I'm going to Clarksville on the last train, and I might not come back.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_04: So uh again, they they were a major influence on the Beatles.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_05: I freaking love that movie so much.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: I wonder how many people actually watch that movie and are like, is he serious?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's uh so he says it just so matter-of-factly.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm trying to remember what movie it is.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: Dumb and Dumber.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yes.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_04: When they're sitting in the diner.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_04: They're looking at the little jukebox things.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, they got the monkeys.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they were a major influence on the Beatles.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: I do remember that.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_05: I freaking love it.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um I like this song from Paul McCartney and Wings.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_04: You've never heard this?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think so.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_04: Oh! Is this Uncle Albert?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's called Let Me Roll It.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Let Me Roll It, okay.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Any guesses?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, on the surface, I'm gonna say it's rolling a doobie, but that's that's what it is.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it is it really?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I don't know what we're gonna say.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_04: So there really is no deep meaning to it.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, it says um this is the only s uh song on this list that was, in fact, a drug song.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: Most people didn't catch on to the fact.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh many listeners thought it to be a sort of a tribute or response to John Lennon's music.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: But he said, Paul McCartney said, I think it's fair to say that to roll it has to do with rolling a joint.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's gonna come as a surprise to anyone.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: There was a lot of pot smoking in the audience back in the day when smoking was allowed in venues.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: So well, still is.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: I hate to tell you.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it is.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I like this song.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of these I I I I really dig, especially this one.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's I don't like this one as much as I like uh well let me just play first.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: So this is Chris Cornell and uh uh Tom Morello's band.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Audio Slave.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this is a great song called Like a Stone.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh a lot of people think uh even the bass player assumed that Like a Stone was a song about love and romance when he first heard it.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: But the short version is just some guy sitting in a hotel room contemplating death and where you go and what it means and all the possibilities of that.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um then coming up with an image that he liked, like going with the philosophy of maybe when you die and you've been good enough in your life, then you get to go somewhere that you remember that was really cool.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's deep.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: It is kind of deep.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: Never thought that this one song would be about that.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: This is a great song.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_04: But you know what I was gonna say Well, Audio Slave was great, eh?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_04: They were, you know.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it's basically Rage Vince Machine with Chris Cornell.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's true, but still great, but they don't sound anything like Rage Against Machine.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_04: No, or they sound nothing really about like SoundGuard.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: Right, and I think that was the plan.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um But the song that they had called Show Me How to Live.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh great.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah He was such a great vocalist.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's got a great voice.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's it's it's you know immoral.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: It really is.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um We played this one live once.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: A couple times.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Maneater.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think it's about?
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I know it ain't a man eater.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_04: Nope.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_04: It's about cannibals.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's interesting, you know, the the explanation to some of these songs.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, according to John Oates, Maneater isn't about a person at all, but a place.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maneater is about New York City in the 80s.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's about greed, avarice, and spoiled riches.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: We have it in a setting of a girl because it's more relatable.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's something that people can understand.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's what we do all the time.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: That kind of makes sense.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um the duo also did this with I can't go for that.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: No can do, you know.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can't go for that, which is about the music business.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting, yeah.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_07: Watching a wedding.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_04: She's sinning with you, but her eyes are on the door.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_04: How great is that?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's a great law, right?
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_04: You know?
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_07: Money's a matter.
• 46:59
  unknown: If you're in it for love, you ain't gonna get too far.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_04: You're in it for love, you ain't gonna get too far.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: New York City's gonna eat you alive.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 47:10
  unknown: Watch out.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I know it's a big, you know, everybody, you know.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: Back in the 80s, New York City was rocking.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: But see, those so that those are the kind of explanations of songs that I just eat up.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, because for the longest time I thought it was about a woman.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I did too.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think we all did.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a metaphor for New York City.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: That see, that's cool.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_04: That's awesome, you know.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_04: I get that.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: You like that kind of song?
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: One from U2.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: Many fans thought U2's one was a lovely tribute to togetherness.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: But Bono was thinking much more cynically than that.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's a song about coming together, but it's not the old hippie idea of let's all live together.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: It is, in fact, the opposite.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's saying we are one, but we're not the same.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's not saying we even want to get along, but that we have to get along together in this world if it is to survive.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's a reminder that we have no choice.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: You got some.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's a total bono thing.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_07: You say one love.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: We are one, but we're not the same.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: When it's one lead in the night.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's times that I just think Bono is a genius.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's times I think he's just a whack-a-whack.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_04: I think I think well, I think the there is a fine line between genius and madman.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's probably true.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: So Did you know that Puff the Magic Dragon was not a reference to the smoking of drugs?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_04: I did know that.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_04: I think everybody thought that.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: But about a pet dragon and his playmate Jackie Paper.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_02: It was inspired by a poem by Leonard Lipton in 1953.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, well, there you go.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: Rainy Dean Women number 12 and 35 by Bob Dylan.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody gets down.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: Attempting to discern what exactly a Bob Dylan song is about is something of a fool's errand.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_04: I was about to say, trying to figure out what a Bob Dylan song is, you might, you know, you might as well just try to figure out quantum physics.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: But if there's one thing that everybody uh that he he wanted to make clear about that song, uh, with its Everybody Must Get Stoned refrain, it's not that it's a drug song.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_02: I never have and never will write a drug song, he said during his uh 1966 concerts.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: I and they of course don't explain what it is.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: But Well, I thought it was something about, you know, casting the first stone.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's what that's what I thought it was.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: And that's I read that somewhere that that's what it actually is.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah, that's what I thought.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, every you're you know, you're gonna go through these trials, everybody's gonna get stoned.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody's, you know, everybody's gonna get stoned, yeah.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do one more, and then we're gonna call it because we're gonna move on.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: We can probably do some room 69.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but we know what that's about, right?
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is I think obviously knows this song if you if you don't, I mean, you know.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: This is actually a rare instance in which you need to put your mind in the gutter to understand the meaning.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: Contrary to popular belief, Ryan Adams' summer of 69 was not meant to be a nostalgic look back in his glory days.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: But actually, Adams said in 2008, it's more about making love in the summertime.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's using 69 as a sexual reference.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that makes more sense.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, I'm not gonna end on that note.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because I wanna end on this.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: I wanna end on this note.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, we're ending on the Ramones?
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_04: Nice.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: I love this dog.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_02: No, you do, that's why I'm ending on it.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: The KKK took my baby away.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_04: I absolutely love this dog.
• 51:14
  unknown: She never got the letter.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_07: She went to win for the win, too and she never got that, she never got that, she never got the letter.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_07: The KKK took my baby away.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_07: The KKK took my baby away, took through away, away from me.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so what's the song about?
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you wanna say it the KKK, but I don't think it is.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: So even the members of the band were confused as to what the song was about.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_02: But if the manager said that he thought it was Joey Ramon writing about uh Johnny Ramon stealing his girlfriend from him.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: But Mickey Leg Mickey Lee has said that's not accurate and was instead written about the time Joey dated an African American woman, which his parents disapproved of, and how when they split up, he told Lee that the KKK took my baby away.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, see, that's kind of that's cool.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's a cool story.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_04: Which I might tend to believe that one actually.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_04: I would I would believe that, absolutely.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_04: But this may be my favorite Ramon song.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_04: I just I just love it.
• 52:33
  unknown: She went over.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, there's a key change.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um that was, by the way, that was number 42.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: We're not gonna obviously we skipped a bunch and we're not gonna do all 50, but uh you can go to ultimate classicrock.com and look up the 50 50 of the most misunderstood songs uh in rock.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: Pretty cool.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: Ah pretty cool.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have a Michael McDonald moment today.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_02: So this book's coming out soon, so yes it is.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I can't wait next month, actually.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um excited.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh, no big.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna learn to read by then.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: Before uh actually, let's see.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, I was I was gonna I want to share with you a couple of albums I just bought.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because the song titles are just amazing.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: I just on a whim, I I bought a couple digital albums before you got here, actually.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: One of them was um Phil X and the Drills.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um it was a solo album that they did uh a few years ago.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I can't remember what it's called.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: I just bought it.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't want to get to it.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see, I'll go to it.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'll just give you a sample of it.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because Phil X is amazing.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: And he's got a new uh vinyl album coming out pretty soon.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um special edition, but this oh, Stupid Good Lookings Volume One.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: Stupid Good Lookings Volume One.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I just I just felt the need to get some Phil X in my in my life.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why not, man?
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_02: My library.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_04: Phil X is awesome.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I also bought another Paul Gilbert.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: I love Paul Gilbert.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, Phil X is the guitar player for Bon Jovi now.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh in case anybody didn't know.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, Paul Gilbert of Mr.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Big Fame and Racer X, just a phenomenal virtuoso guitar player.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, absolutely.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I had his greatest hits, and I love some of the song titles on his greatest hits.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: We've talked about that before.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but his song titles on all of his albums are just amazing.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the album that I bought is from 2010.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's called Fuzz Universe, uh, which is in its in itself a cool title.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: Fuzz Universe.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: But let me just read some of these to you.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well some of them I don't understand.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: The Count One Chut and Refo.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't I haven't listened to the whole album yet.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: Some of them there's singing and some of them there isn't.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: So let me just while this is playing, I'm gonna read some of these.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um Blue Orpheus.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: Will my screen door stop Neptune?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta hear that one.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_05: Hold on.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is Will My Screen Door Stop Neptune?
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_05: That's a great title.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta think there's not words to this.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's probably an instrumental.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: Then here's one called Don't Rain on My Firewood.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: Riftmaster Extraordinary.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_02: I tell you what.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, I think that's instrumental as well.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_04: I have one called If you're ever confused as to why Mr.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_04: Big was so awesome, this is your answer.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_04: This is your answer.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is one called Plastic Dracula.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe I got a full instrumental album.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_04: It probably is.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_04: But it's our but I mean I have the deal tribute album of his.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_04: All instrumental.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: All instrumental, yeah.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's great.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: This one is called Mantra the Lawn.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: Mantra the Lawn.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, again.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: Probably just an instrumental.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_02: Which is fine.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's perfectly cool.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh look while I'm here, let's see.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_02: We've I know we've talked about this, but I just want to play one of his songs from his greatest hits that has him singing.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, how about this one?
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_02: All this is a great song.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_02: So fun.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_02: It is just a fun song.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_02: This one's called I Like Rock.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: One of my one of my favorites though that has his his singing is this one.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not afraid of the police.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, this is such a great song.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds like something Phil X would do.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, kinda, yeah, right.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine being in a room with Paul Gilbert and Phil X.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_04: My head would explode.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, I just wanted to share those with you.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: I was just in that mood, just in that that rockin' mood.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: Rockin' mood, man.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: Rockin' mood, man.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I picked up a couple of those.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: Don't tell my wife.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: Even though they were told my wife, they were cheap.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_02: They were they were not expensive.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: They were like six bucks.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm sure, yeah.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean they're older, they're older songs, older albums.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_04: So anyway, uh, we're gonna take a break.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: I think I'm gonna have to add this one to my Paul Gilbert collection.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_04: Or the Fuzz Fuzz Universe.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: Fuzz Universe, yes.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and he has got a lot.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_02: He does have a lot.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't realize he had so many, but he has a lot.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so yeah, we're gonna take a break.
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• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: What, uh.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_04: I'm going to read part of a book.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to read part of a Beatles book.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_02: What book?
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_04: What is it called again?
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_04: Turner.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_04: What song are we doing today?
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we're going to do Off the White album.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_04: Martha, my dear.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_04: Not one you think of, what do you think of the Beatles?
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_04: There it is.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_04: Martha may have been the name of Paul's two-year-old old English sheepdog, but this song was not an account of canine love.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_04: Martha, my dear, is a plea to a girl who has always been the singer's muse.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_04: He asked her to remember him because he still believes that they were meant for each other.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_04: In January 1968, Paul and Jane Asher had announced that they were going to get married during the year, but Paul began dating other girls while Jane was away acting, and then in July, she called off the engagement.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_04: We still see each other and love each other, but it hasn't worked out, Jane said at the time.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_04: Perhaps we'll be childhood sweethearts and meet again and get married when we're about 70.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_04: The song began as a two-handed piano exercise, something that was deliberately beyond his level of competence at the time, and designed to stretch him musically.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_04: Martha My Dear was recorded in October 1968, by which time Linda Eastman had become Paul's girlfriend.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_06: Aha!
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_04: So there you go.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_04: Aha! Aha! Martha my dear.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_06: Martha My Dear.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's a really good song, but people, I mean, when when you when people talk about Beatles song, nobody ever talks about it.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's so Paul McCartney.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_04: It is so, so Paul.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_04: Alright.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_04: But it's got it's got surge on uh George Martin's sensibilities.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I have just climbed the wall of tunes.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: Climbed the wall of tunes.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_02: I know you wouldn't know it.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, let's play the music while we're waiting.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because um I I have not um been able to play it because I've been playing these Beatles songs.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um So let's just take a second and let this play while I pretend to climb the wall.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, yes.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_04: I miss our Yodel.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_02: Are you looking at my butt?
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_02: Don't look at my bottom.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_04: Are you looking at my bottom?
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm climbing the wall.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_02: Cheeky monkey.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because I I'm up on the wall.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_04: You a cheeky monkey! You bumducker.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_02: Back in the good days of SNSL.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's when SSL was actually funny.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_05: There we are.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_05: Alright.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_02: I have an album.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_02: So let the guessing uh begin.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's Mr.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_02: Big.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_02: But you're laughing.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: We did well, we just did a whole thing on Paul Gibraltar.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I know.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I thought.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, I was thinking, well, he's gonna go for the Mr.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_04: Big.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_04: I don't even know if you have Mr.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_04: Big.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_04: I have a couple.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_04: Mr.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_04: Big.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_04: My my choice was not out of the realm of possibility.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_04: This is true.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_02: And uh there are some similarities.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_04: So is it it's a band, I take it?
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, never mind.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_04: Screw that! So it's a guy?
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_04: There's a guy.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_04: Solo guy.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_04: Rock guy?
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, jeez.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'll say late 80s, early 90s.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_02: Michael Bowden.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think along the lines of Hong Kong.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_04: Nope.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_04: We do Ingve Mom.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_04: Have we ever done Engbe?
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think so.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, yeah, he would love that.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because he loves anybody who talks about him.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um he's he's a guitar guy.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um virtuoso?
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_04: Steve.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_02: It is Steve.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_02: There it is.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna tell you, uh this guy is very important to you.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_04: I tell you what, Steve to me, especially uh passion and warfare album, right, got me through a very, very, very, very difficult time.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, because it was the last album I was listening to before I went to Paris.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_04: And it was stuck in my head.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_02: Can you give me the name of the ridiculous thing?
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_04: No idea.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_02: The audience was like, and it's on the the infinite Steve.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_02: The essential Steve Vi.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_04: That was that's the album.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's the album.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_02: The essential Steve Vi or the infinite?
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this says the essential, but when I put it in, it says the infinite Steve Vi.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody is screwed up.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh where to go Apple.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't uh was this song on that album?
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: This is the Attitude song.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_04: I think this might have been on Flex Able.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well, you know what?
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_02: I wanna I wanna take you back here, so I wanna see if I can find something from Passion Warfare.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well yeah.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_02: First track on the album.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, see if this one sounds familiar.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_04: But the name escapes me.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_04: Liberty.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_04: Liberty, yes.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, the attitude song was on Flex Table.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of people want to call flexible.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but but but it's it it when you look at the album, it's flex dot able.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, so all right.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_04: So a lot of this stuff is uh yep, that's that's from uh passion for the animal.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_04: Bring you back there.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_04: I got that really like awesome, like sick feeling to my stomach right now.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: Great, let's hear more.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's just it's just bringing me back to that that time.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, of course.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_04: Because it literally was the only thing I heard in my head for that entire time because it was the only album I listened to for probably a month before I went.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's the only thing I was listening to.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is the riddle.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: Also for Passionate Warfare.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think I have one more from Passionate Warfare.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: Which I think is one of his most famous ones.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, man, this is a great song.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_04: For the love of God.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's a beautiful song.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_04: It reminds me of um Satriani's uh Always with me, always with you.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, he has some course, Steve I is like from another world.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, he's an alien.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um I mean, I know Satriani called his album Surfing with the Alien, it should be called Surfing with Steve I.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um Dude's not from this universe.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_02: He has um just some odd odd things on here.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's his kid.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yo gat.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_02: Steve Castronovo on drums.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_04: Is it really?
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: It might not be his kid, but it's awful cute.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Is it really?
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and amps and stuff like that.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's bad horsey wah pedal.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_02: This is what it comes from.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is bad horsey.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Interestingly enough, so there's drum programming on this song.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_02: On several of these songs.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it says Dean Casternovo is playing drums, but drum programming, keyboard, bass, and all guitars.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_02: Steve Five.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, on disc two, this is a two-disc set.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_02: We only put interesting.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't it didn't uh import uh on here, but you know that Steve I was in uh Whitesnake for a while.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, there it for some reason it put it put it under Whitesnake.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Oh so on this collection from slip of the tongue, this is kittens got claws.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh he's making all these cat noises with his guitar So anyway, if you like Virtuoso Shredder guitar, um this is this is for you.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a fan of Steve Vi.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm a huge fan of Santriani uh and Paul Gilbert and all those guys.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_02: I can never do what they do, but I enjoy listening to it.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_04: I love listening to it because it's just great.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't want to go and buy like individual Steve Vi albums.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so I got this one, which is the essential Steve Vibe.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um I may go and get Passion Warfare or Flex.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_04: I I would honestly say get Passion Warfare because the audience is listening.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's such a great song.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_04: I remember the video for it.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_04: It was because I just love it.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_04: That's okay, you can bring your guitar.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_05: You know, because it's just so funny.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I can uh let's see.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um we can because we can do it a different way.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have that one in here.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_02: But that doesn't mean we can't uh we can't play it.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, just because it's my favorite song on the album.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um wasn't the the audio that was a video, right?
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_02: It was a rock video for that.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_04: It probably was.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_04: I never saw it.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_04: I just remembered the song because I like I said it was stuck in my head.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_02: So you can know what's happening is everybody up here.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure my wife is trying to watch that Google flag.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_02: We have we we so we really wanted to watch the uh Iowa LSU uh girl women's game.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_02: The only place to watch it was it had heavy SPN.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so we got a seven-day trial of Fubo TV.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_02: Which is like Pluto TV, it's it's honestly not as good.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_04: Pluto TV, I just discovered Pluto TV.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_04: Pluto TV is free.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's awesome.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_04: Okay?
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_04: I've been watching King of Queens.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_04: I know, right?
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's great.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_02: So Pluto TV is we we have the app and that's absolutely free.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Fubo TV has ESPN and a couple other things, and it's set up like Pluto TV, right?
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_04: A hundred bucks a month!
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_02: A hundred dollars a month.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_02: And YouTube TV is even more expensive than that.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, YouTube TV is crazy.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: So so but we got the seven-day free trial and we watched that game and then canceled it.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna cancel it this week.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think we're watching we're watching the Cooper Flag thing tonight, and then I can't get this to play.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it was like uh I I got when I got the new iPad, it came with three months of free uh Apple TV.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_04: All I watched was that was that Patriots uh documentary.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's the only thing I wanted to see on it, right?
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um this uh this is the video.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, good.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_04: Do you remember this?
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_04: I never saw the like I said, I never saw the video.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the video's awesome.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Don't be nervous, honey.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna introduce you, and then you're gonna come in with your guitar and you're gonna play that nice, nice music you were telling me about.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_00: And while you're doing that, I'll be sitting in the back of the room.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_00: We'll have such a good time, so don't you be nervous, honey.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_02: I I have to point something out.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Does this really remind you of anything?
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh hot feature?
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna go on a hot introduction, okay?
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Calm down.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, everybody anyone features.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now, little Stevie Vine is going to play a competition on the guitar.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_00: He wrote it all.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_00: What a nice little boy.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_06: That's good to be well.
• 1:19:18
  unknown: I don't want to stop.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_02: You owe it, you owe it to yourself to watch the video.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, yeah, this is this is such a great song.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the video.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_04: Because I I love the line.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_04: This is my whammy bar, and it's gonna be loud!
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and a lot of people, uh, if you've ever seen the movie Crossroads, with Ralph Macchio, C Vye was the devil.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_02: He's the devil, yeah.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Which was a classic, you know, cult classic.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's a classic.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's a classic movie.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Cult classic, yeah, for sure.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh all right, there you go.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's uh that's episode 189.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_02: And uh in the books.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so we'll, I don't know, we're gonna do something special next week because it's our anniversary or we should.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_04: We should.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_04: We won't, but we should.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_04: No, we should, but we won't, yeah.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe Joko will.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_04: We've been driving for like a month now.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we have we should have if we can't get Joko on, we should have Shane on.
• 1:20:08
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_04: Either one.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I don't know if Shane's busy or not with uh, you know, being a college professor and all.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean it's at night.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's true.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_02: They do have classes at night too, so I guess.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know what his schedule is for.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well we'll we'll we'll figure something out.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we'll have a guest on next week.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_04: Just for just for Yeah, just just for the just uh, you know, so you don't excuse me, so you don't have to listen to us.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, just you can listen to somebody else.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_04: Be like, hey, it's it's O'Brien and Doug without O'Brien and Doug.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_04: This is awesome.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I guess uh that's it.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_02: So until uh next week when uh we'll celebrate our four-year anniversary.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_02: Four years anniversary.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm uh I'm O'Brien.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't that the paper anniversary?
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_04: Probably.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna make ours the uh cobalt.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_04: Cobalt.
• 1:20:52
  unknown: Yeah, I don't know why.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's the first thing I came to my head.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_04: Got it.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_04: I'm O'Brien.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm still Doug.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_04: Bye, everybody! Bye bye.
• 1:21:06
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• 1:21:18
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• 1:21:22
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• 1:21:29
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• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_07: Oh no.