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The Kenny Report | 16 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Chinese use a bit of midnight oil to woo
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  Speaker 2: our Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't make this stuff up.
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  Speaker 2: Immigration still out of control with them may intake our
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  Speaker 2: highest ever for that month.
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen will join me.
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  Speaker 2: The British schoolgirl sent home for not being diverse enough
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  Speaker 2: to be British seriously. The outback murderer too, who takes
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  Speaker 2: to his grave the secret of where his victim's body lies.
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  Speaker 2: All that and plenty more, including the Wednesday wrangle with
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  Speaker 2: Denika de Giorgio and Liza Goddard, let's get started. There's
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  Speaker 2: one sure fire away to make sure a problem gets worse,
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  Speaker 2: and that is to sweep it under the.
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  Speaker 1: Carpet, to pretend it doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 2: And there's one sure fire way to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: bullies become emboldened and do more bullying, and that is
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  Speaker 2: to give in to them, to bow and scrape. The
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  Speaker 2: diplomacy from Anthony Albanezi in China and the behavior of
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  Speaker 2: his hosts only leads us to conclude that the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister doesn't understand either of these two points. He's pretended
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  Speaker 2: there is no substantive problem with the China relationship, and
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  Speaker 2: he's failed to stand up for Australia's national interests.
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  Speaker 1: Let me start with the positives.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is useful for the PM to be in
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  Speaker 2: China and to keep dialogue open. And yes, visiting the
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  Speaker 2: Great Wall and reminding everyone of Gough Whitlam's historic early
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  Speaker 2: recognition of China.
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  Speaker 1: Is all fair and good.
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  Speaker 2: But China fifty years ago wasn't a global superpower and
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  Speaker 2: wasn't bullying Australia. And there's a fine line between being
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  Speaker 2: polite to your hosts and being obsequious.
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  Speaker 3: Here today, of course, I have the sense of history
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  Speaker 3: following the footsteps of the Labor Prime Minister Goff Whitlam,
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  Speaker 3: who was the first Prime minister to visit here in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three. It followed the correct decision that he
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  Speaker 3: made as leader of the Labor Party in nineteen seventy one,
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  Speaker 3: and that was, of course at the time when that
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  Speaker 3: was a controversial decision to recognize the People's Republic of China.
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  Speaker 2: Alberizi needs to do more than recognize history.
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  Speaker 1: He needs to shape it.
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  Speaker 2: And at the moment he's just allowing Beijing to push
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  Speaker 2: him and Australia around. The Chinese leadership is banging on
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  Speaker 2: about free and fair trade, trying to betray themselves as
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  Speaker 2: the good guys in the global tariff wars unleashed by
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  Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump, and Alberizi has failed to push
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  Speaker 2: back and telled China that its one sided and punitive
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  Speaker 2: trade policies are unfair and damaging. In dead Albo just
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  Speaker 2: says in China what Beijing would want him to say.
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  Speaker 3: As a general principle. Of course, one of the things
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  Speaker 3: that I emphasize, I say the same thing in Beijing
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  Speaker 3: as I say in Bankstown, which is that the Australian
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  Speaker 3: government supports free and fair trade. It's in the interests
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  Speaker 3: of the world to have free and fair trade, and
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  Speaker 3: will continue to engage that way.
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  Speaker 2: And of course China will seek to use those comments
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  Speaker 2: as praise of China's trade policies and an affront to
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  Speaker 2: our great.
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  Speaker 1: Ally, the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, in the communist government's English language mouthpiece, the China Daily,
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  Speaker 2: the visit was written up as all sweetness and light,
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  Speaker 2: and the readout from President Shi Jingping said China advocates
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  Speaker 2: countries promoting unity and cooperation an Asia Pacific Free Trade
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  Speaker 2: Area and liberalizing trade and investment, promoting regional peace and prosperity.
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  Speaker 2: This is extraordinary hypocrisy and has received no pushback from
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi in public or apparently in private diplomacy. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: our PM only echoes those delusional aspirations when she talks
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  Speaker 2: about free trade and fairness. Does Albanesi not remember China
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  Speaker 2: slapping trade bands on Australia just because we wanted an
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  Speaker 2: independent inquiry into the origins of covid or we dared
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  Speaker 2: to sign up for nuclear submarines. Remember China slapped an
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  Speaker 2: eighty percent tariff on our balley exports, It banned beef
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  Speaker 2: imports altogether from four abatoars. It put an extreme two
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent tariff on our wine exports, forty percent on
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  Speaker 2: our cotton industry, and it effectively banned our lucrative lobster
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  Speaker 2: and timber exports. Yet Albanesi allows China to preach free
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  Speaker 2: and fair trade without objecting to this sort of bullying
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  Speaker 2: and economic coercion. Doesn't that just guarantee we'll see it
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  Speaker 2: all again as soon as Australia does or says something
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  Speaker 2: that China doesn't like remember, less than five years ago,
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  Speaker 2: China put out a fourteen point list of grievances the
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  Speaker 2: reasons it wanted to punish Australia. It was a bizarre
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  Speaker 2: and paranoid screed. It started with foreign investment decisions and
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  Speaker 2: the banning of Huawei from the Five Gen network. It
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  Speaker 2: mentioned our foreign interference legislation and calls for an independent
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  Speaker 2: inquiry into the origins of COVID. It also mentioned our
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  Speaker 2: support for the territories of Hong Kong and Taiwan and
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  Speaker 2: our advocacy for international law in the South China Sea.
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  Speaker 2: It even referenced our complaints about cyber attacks possibly from China,
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  Speaker 2: and winged about antagonistic media reports about China. They even
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  Speaker 2: mentioned racism in Australia and all this to justify punishing
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  Speaker 2: US with brutal trade sanctions, not to mention military intimidation
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  Speaker 2: from the Sea of Japan right down to the Tasman
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  Speaker 2: Sea last year.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier this year.
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  Speaker 2: And now Beijing has highlighted its next gripe. Unhappy with
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  Speaker 2: Albanizi's plan to take the port of daw And out
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  Speaker 2: of Chinese hands and put it back into Australian ownership.
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  Speaker 2: Premier Lee Chung said they hope Australia will treat Chinese
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  Speaker 2: enterprises properly and solve problems encountered by its enterprises on
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  Speaker 2: market access, investment review and the like.
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: China is complaining about market access and free and fair trade.
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  Speaker 2: China is a global pariah on this stuff. Half the
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  Speaker 2: reason we've got Donald Trump playing fast and loose with
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  Speaker 2: tariffs now is because of the way China has manipulated
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  Speaker 2: trade for Decca and China certainly punished and bullied Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Yet from alban Easy on this trip, all we got
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  Speaker 2: was acquiescence. Have I listened to this from today and
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  Speaker 2: tell me that DJ Handsome Boy hasn't been well and
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  Speaker 2: truly dutchessed.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to say that the band there in the
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  Speaker 3: Great Hall played a different version of Paul Kelly's to
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  Speaker 3: Her Door of Midnight Earl's Power and the passion of
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  Speaker 3: a range of songs as well. That obviously took them
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  Speaker 3: a long period of time, and those gestures matter, respect,
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  Speaker 3: matters between countries, and I think I took that as
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  Speaker 3: being a very warm gesture indeed, and they did it
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  Speaker 3: very well.
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  Speaker 1: That's all it takes.
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  Speaker 2: To make the PM feel specials some contemporary Aussie songs
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  Speaker 2: and Midnight Oil. Aren't they all about anti American and
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  Speaker 2: anti US bases and anti capitalist politics?
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  Speaker 1: Power and the passion.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the film clip with the banner showing a country
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  Speaker 2: plundered by America, Japan and Britain and complaining about a
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  Speaker 2: land of corporate gains.
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  Speaker 1: No wonder Beijing chose the oils goes out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know about dying on your feet,
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  Speaker 2: but living on your knees is certainly not advisable. Albaneze,
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  Speaker 2: he needs to get off his knees and stand up
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  Speaker 2: to China, but tender one he won't. One thing that
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  Speaker 2: surprised a lot of people, including me during the PM's
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  Speaker 2: China visit is the backdrop to his press conference yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Even on an overseas trip when he held a media conference,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't satisfied with the Australian flag. He stood in
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  Speaker 2: front of three flags, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait.
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  Speaker 1: Island of flags as well.
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  Speaker 2: Why he's representing one nation, our nation overseas Australia. This
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  Speaker 2: is identity politics on steroids, a gesture that can only
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  Speaker 2: confuse anyone watching on from China, it's a step too far.
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  Speaker 2: I mean in some circumstances, of course, depending on the
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  Speaker 2: place or the issue, this can be justified in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: But when he's representing Australia overseas, surely it's the Australian
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  Speaker 2: flag he has to stick with. Whatever anyone thinks of
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  Speaker 2: that particular flag. I may not have a different one sometimes, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but it's our flag for now. And the Australian Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister overseas standing in front of the Australian flag, that's
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  Speaker 2: what makes sense. This confusion over identity and diversity is
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  Speaker 2: happening across the Western world, of course, and the latest
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  Speaker 2: example from Britain will horrify most Australians, although not surprise us.
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  Speaker 2: For Diversity Day, year seven student Courtney Right wore this
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  Speaker 2: spice girl's style British flag outfit to Bilton School in Warwickshire.
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  Speaker 2: What a great idea, I mean, after all, the school's
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  Speaker 2: flyer urged the students to wear attire reflecting their families,
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  Speaker 2: nationality and heritage.
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  Speaker 1: But you guessed it.
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  Speaker 2: Being proud of your British heritage wasn't good enough. And
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  Speaker 2: twelve year old Courtney was sent home birth teacher.
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  Speaker 4: I saw she straight away just took me to go
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  Speaker 4: get changed. She didn't want to hair help my dress
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  Speaker 4: or see it. She just straight away might get change
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  Speaker 4: and not see in it and never. Teacher try to
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  Speaker 4: stop me and said, you can't mean that. It's your
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  Speaker 4: nationality and not your culture.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a British girl sent home from diversity day because
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  Speaker 2: she was diverse enough to be British. Apparently, some other
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  Speaker 2: students sporting the Saint George's and Welsh flags were sent
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  Speaker 2: home too. The school was happy with other students though,
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  Speaker 2: who wore national dress from countries like Nigeria, and even
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  Speaker 2: some girls in knee cubs and burkers burkers. There's diversity
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  Speaker 2: for you, hiding girls from public view completely. Courtney was
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  Speaker 2: forced to sit in an office area all day till
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  Speaker 2: her father could come and pick her up, and the
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  Speaker 2: school has been forced to apologize.
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  Speaker 5: These kids need to be proud of where they come
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  Speaker 5: from when they need to learn about and share their
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  Speaker 5: experiences about their culture, and it.
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  Speaker 1: Happens too often these days.
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  Speaker 6: People are told to you know, take your flog down
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  Speaker 6: or be quiet.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's not about you, It's not about your culture,
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  Speaker 7: it's about everybody Else's.
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  Speaker 1: Hard to disagree with that, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same mindset we get here, so the woke
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  Speaker 2: and that politically correct diversity doesn't mean diversity. It's just
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  Speaker 2: another way to impose their will on others, force everyone
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  Speaker 2: to adopt their idiotic identity politics, and it's a very sad,
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  Speaker 2: damaging and divisive trend Sadly tonight, I want to recognize
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  Speaker 2: the passing of one of the country's greatest footballers, North
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  Speaker 2: Adelaide and South Australia's Barry Robren.
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  Speaker 1: He died today in Adelaide, aged seventy seven.
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  Speaker 2: Roberin came from the bush city of Wayala to play
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  Speaker 2: footy for North Adelaide, where he went on to win
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  Speaker 2: an astonishing three McGarry medals and two Premierships and dominated
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  Speaker 2: state footy while always resisting the lure of the VFL.
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  Speaker 2: He became the first player who had never played in
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  Speaker 2: Victoria to be made an AFL Hall of Fame legend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Robin was a simply amazing athlete, but he was also
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  Speaker 2: incredibly modest and generous. I was lucky enough to interview
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  Speaker 2: him a couple of times back in the day and
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  Speaker 2: to get a sense of his humility, listen to what
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  Speaker 2: he said about being awarded an MBE by the Queen
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  Speaker 2: way back in the early eighties.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah it was good. I think it was good that
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  Speaker 8: perhaps the sport of football could be recognized through myself perhaps,
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  Speaker 8: but yeah, I felt very proud and I would hope
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  Speaker 8: that I expect that my parents would have been very
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  Speaker 8: proud of that. But I also saw it as an
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  Speaker 8: honor for football, not only just myself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A truly impressive bloke and what a sportsman. He played
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  Speaker 2: shield cricket for South Australia one summer between two footy premierships.
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  Speaker 2: Roberin has survived by his wife Tami, and two sons
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  Speaker 2: who played at AFL level, John for Hawthorne and Matthew,
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  Speaker 2: a two time premiership player for the Adelaide Crows. A
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  Speaker 2: sporting great was Barry Roburam and always a role model
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  Speaker 2: for good sportsmanship. Let's cross the Queensland now and catch
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  Speaker 2: up with One Nation founder and.
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  Speaker 1: Leader Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline, good to catch up with you again. I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk to you about immigration in a moment, but
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  Speaker 2: first up I want to get your thoughts on prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Albaneze's visit to China.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe it's been a success.
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  Speaker 2: I believe he's been able to win anything useful from
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  Speaker 2: our country through this visit.
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  Speaker 9: Not that I can see Chris on the reports that
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  Speaker 9: I've read and.
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  Speaker 10: What I've seen, No, I don't.
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  Speaker 9: I think it was about him, just his connection with
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  Speaker 9: Jingping and ensuring that hiss friendship with him. But he
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  Speaker 9: talks about security in the region. Keep the dialogue, then
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  Speaker 9: we want security and peace in the region. All I
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  Speaker 9: see is Jingping is saying, listen, mate, you do the
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  Speaker 9: right thing, and we will still allow you to export
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  Speaker 9: your goods here and we won't put tariffs on it,
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  Speaker 9: but we want to have further discussions. We want to
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  Speaker 9: do in getting to your critical manufacturing or into infrastructure,
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  Speaker 9: critical infrastructure, and we want to get into AI. So
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  Speaker 9: China is still putting out its tentacles that they want
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  Speaker 9: to get into Australia and Albaneze he didn't say straight
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  Speaker 9: out no, we're not doing it.
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  Speaker 10: It's against ASTRAA. It's interested to do it.
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  Speaker 9: At the Belton Road they stopped that. Federally, we pass
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  Speaker 9: legislations stopped that from happening.
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  Speaker 10: In the States. But I just see he said he's
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  Speaker 10: on his knees. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 9: I think he's kissing his feet as well while he's
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  Speaker 9: down there on his knees.
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  Speaker 10: I just think it's pathetic.
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  Speaker 9: It just breaks my heart. It's a real worry, Chris.
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  Speaker 9: It breaks my heart. How many says tells him. You
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  Speaker 9: know about the warships in the Tasman Sea and out
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  Speaker 9: here in live fire and all the rest of it,
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  Speaker 9: and circumnavigating Australia. It says, the way you have your
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  Speaker 9: live exercises. Come on, if we're anywhere near China's waters,
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  Speaker 9: even if they is international waters and still legal, China
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  Speaker 9: would not allow us to do it.
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  Speaker 10: Let's be fair about that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is what concerns me, Paul, then, is the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Anthony Alberizi obviously hasn't been strong enough in private,
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  Speaker 2: because even what he's told us about our conversations has
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  Speaker 2: been pathetic. He said, he raised the issue, and all
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  Speaker 2: Jijiping says back is well, that's our right to do
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  Speaker 2: this now. And then publicly, Anthony Albinez he doesn't even
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  Speaker 2: challenge that, doesn't even stand up and say that he
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  Speaker 2: demands full warning or demands better treatment, not to mention
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  Speaker 2: the sonar attack on our sailors, not to mention the
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  Speaker 2: flare attacks we've seen in the past. Of it, he
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  Speaker 2: is letting them get away with bullying us. And surely
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  Speaker 2: in the end, whether it's next year, the year after,
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, this will only lead to more bullying.
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  Speaker 1: We have to stand up for our own rights.
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  Speaker 9: I said right from the very start, he's a pathetic
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  Speaker 9: leader and he is not a leader. I said that
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  Speaker 9: from day one when he became prominent of this country.
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  Speaker 9: I've improven right again, I can pick them, and I
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  Speaker 9: tell you what he's when I picked he is just
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  Speaker 9: stood out to me that he's no leader of this
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  Speaker 9: nation and we're going to be paying the price for it.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you, Pauline, also about immigration.
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  Speaker 2: This is a crucial issue for the country. Gone are
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  Speaker 2: the days decades ago when you're labeled as xenophobic because
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  Speaker 2: you want to reduce immigration.
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  Speaker 1: Immigration.
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  Speaker 2: That's ancient history now right. This is a problem for
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  Speaker 2: a country dealing with a housing crisis and a cost
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  Speaker 2: of living crisis that even the labor government says immigration
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  Speaker 2: is too high and it promises to curtail it.
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  Speaker 1: Yet the latest figures out for the month of May
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  Speaker 1: this year. We can get the graph up now.
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  Speaker 2: It's the highest ever intake of permanent migrants in the
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  Speaker 2: month of May. We're headed for yet another year of
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  Speaker 2: record immigration.
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  Speaker 9: Well the people that had for them only thirty five percent,
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  Speaker 9: mind you, but they feel they've got a mandate now.
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  Speaker 10: So the people have.
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  Speaker 9: Actually said it's okay bringing more people into the country.
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  Speaker 9: From January this year till April two hundred and sixteen thousand,
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  Speaker 9: the month of May nearly thirty five thousand into the country.
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  Speaker 9: This is just giving them more, you know, the right
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  Speaker 9: to go ahead and bring more and more people in
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  Speaker 9: the country. I raised immigration Chris years ago because I
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  Speaker 9: saw that immigration was.
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  Speaker 10: A big issue in the country.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm not against immigration, but you've got to do
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  Speaker 9: it in a manage way that it's going to be
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  Speaker 9: you know, people will assimilate into the country.
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  Speaker 10: We didn't have a problem with people assimilating here.
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  Speaker 9: We brought in the wrong people into Australia, which I
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  Speaker 9: said in my maiden speech in twenty sixteen on the
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  Speaker 9: floor of the Senate and I've spoken about it. I
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  Speaker 9: spoke out against multiculturalism. We're multi racial, but not multicultural
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  Speaker 9: means all these different sectors pushing their own agenda, and
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  Speaker 9: I spoke out about that. I was criticized for it
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  Speaker 9: isn't funny. Now, world leaders, including John Howard, he actually
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  Speaker 9: Theys come out and say multiculturalism hasn't worked.
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  Speaker 10: If we don't wake up to ourselves.
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  Speaker 9: We're becoming more like England, where we're not that far
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  Speaker 9: behind them, and now the countries around the world, this
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  Speaker 9: won't be a place that people will be scrambling to
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  Speaker 9: come out to.
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  Speaker 10: I'm not there for the future generations of this nation.
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  Speaker 2: The way we're going, and it already looks like another
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  Speaker 2: broken promise from labor because they keep telling us though
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  Speaker 2: reduced immigration, and that's just not happening.
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  Speaker 1: Just very briefly.
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  Speaker 2: I know we've plug this before, but you're on a
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  Speaker 2: knitting spree to raise money for your party again.
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  Speaker 1: Show some of your latest produce. There we go, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent Australian. Will I hope, of.
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  Speaker 10: Course it is Bendigo lawn mills. I've used some fears.
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  Speaker 9: Actually, I'm wearing one of my handnets now, Chris. They
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  Speaker 9: last long time. I needed this one forty years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you get to work if you can and nit
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: me a crows beanie that'll be good for the next winter.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauline, I appreciated, and as a
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Queenslander said, you might I might need to email or
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a text her let her know that it's red, red,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: blue and.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Gold the colors for the flow crows.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Now I want to go to a case, a horrible
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: murder case that captured the world's attention. The backpack of
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: killer Bradley John Murdoch has died now at the age
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: of sixty seven from throat cancer.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Murdoch was serving.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: A life sentence, as you know, for the murder of
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Peter alcon in two thousand and one. Taking to his
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: grave the secret of where the British backpacker's body is buried.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Here's a report from nine News.
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: A cold blooded killer who's haunting out. That crime captured
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: the world's attention.
• 21:16
  Speaker 12: A massive police operation is underway and the Northern Territory
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: tourists kidnapped.
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: Bradley John Murdoch ambushed British backpackers Peter Falconio and Joanne
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: Lees on July fourteenth, two thousand and one. The couple
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: was traveling through the Northern Territory in a Combe van
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: when Murdoch signaled for them to pull over, following their
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: tail along a remote stretch of the Stuart Highway at
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: Barrow Creek, he shot Peter Falconno dead and tried to
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: abduct Joanne Lees, who escaped into the scrub, hiding for
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: five hours before she was rescued by a passing truckee.
• 21:52
  Speaker 11: Two years later, Murdoch was extradited from Adelaide to the
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: NT to face trial. He was jailed for life. He's
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: never did what he did with Peter Falconio's body, taking
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: his evil secret to the grave, and continuing to claim
• 22:07
  Speaker 11: he was innocent.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in doctor Xanthey Mallet, who's the associate professor
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: of criminology at Central Queenslane University, joins us Life from
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the Sunshine Coast.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, doctor Era.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I just want to get thoughts first up and the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: secret that Murdoch takes to his grave now not revealing
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the location of the body is is that unusual behavior
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: for a convicted murderer.
• 22:31
  Speaker 13: Good evening, Chris Well. Unfortunately not when we look at
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: individuals like Bradley Murdoch. I'm not at all surprised that
• 22:38
  Speaker 13: he didn't tell authorities where he disposed of Peter Falcodio's
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: body almost twenty five years ago. Next year it'll be
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: twenty five years since this awful chrome happened. I'm hopeful
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: that he told somebody else, perhaps, and that that person
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: may now be free to come forward that Bradley Murdock
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: is no longer a threat.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously the Northern Territory gabment increased that a reward
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: for any information about this just in the last few weeks.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: When they knew that Murdoch was dying.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Presumably that was a lure almost to him that he
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: might be able to tell someone else, a relative or
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a friend, so that his sort of dying gift was
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to give them half.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: A million dollars for spilling the beans. Do you think
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that's still a possibility.
• 23:21
  Speaker 13: Well, certainly somebody out there may know something. Although Bradley
• 23:24
  Speaker 13: MDOC chose not to tell the authorities, often in these
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: cases they will tell somebody. It's a very big secret
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: to keep for a quarter of a century. So I
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: do believe somebody out there may know something that may
• 23:37
  Speaker 13: be an incentive to come forward. Five hundred thousand dollars
• 23:40
  Speaker 13: is a lot of money, and I think that was
• 23:42
  Speaker 13: a strategy employed by the police try and encourage someone.
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: So it may be that he was going to give
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: a gift potentially to someone, or it may just be
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: that relationships have changed, loyalties have change. That happens over time,
• 23:54
  Speaker 13: so somebody may be free now to share information they
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: have when they wouldn't have been previously.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Particularly terrifying murder. It plays into some of the horror
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: movie fiction series we've seen in the past where travelers
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: in the outback are are kidnapped and murdered.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: This played out in real life, of course.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Let's just have a look at some of the coverage
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: back in two thousand and one.
• 24:18
  Speaker 14: A recent snap in Sydney of Peter Falconio and his
• 24:21
  Speaker 14: girlfriend joe Anne Lee sitting inside the combie they bought
• 24:24
  Speaker 14: for their dream track through the Northern Territory. Now twenty
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: eight year old Peter is almost certainly dead. His brother Paul,
• 24:31
  Speaker 14: who still holds a glimmer of hope, asked to read
• 24:33
  Speaker 14: a statement on behalf of the distraught Joe Ann the
• 24:36
  Speaker 14: survivor of the back ambush.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I consider myself very lucky to have escaped on to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: be ok.
• 24:44
  Speaker 14: Alice Springs police have received more than five hundred calls
• 24:46
  Speaker 14: from the public and authorities into state as they continue
• 24:49
  Speaker 14: to hunt the elusive gunments.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: That the question here, I think is with this sort
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of behavior and this sort of murderer. Now the murderer,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of course dying, so we know we can't find out anymore.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Is there a suspicion that there would be other victims?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Is it likely that this would have been a single
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: opportunistic crime, or is it likely that Murdoch might have
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: been a serial killer.
• 25:15
  Speaker 13: Well, I think that's a very good question, Chris. I
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: know there's some minor offenses in Bradley Murdock's background, but
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: nothing to this scale. But I do think it was
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: particularly Heena's. It was apparently premeditated. It looks like he
• 25:29
  Speaker 13: probably identified them beforehand, he pulled them over in a
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: quiet spot. He obviously had planned this crime. I have
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: no doubt he would have abducted and murdered Joanne Lee's
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: as well if she hadn't been brave and fortunate enough
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: to escape him. So people tend not to go from
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: zero to one hundred, So I would be very interested
• 25:50
  Speaker 13: in looking more closely at Bradley Murdock's background to see
• 25:53
  Speaker 13: whether there were our potential other victims out there.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, doctor, I appreciate it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Doctor Znthey Mallock there from the University of Central Queensland.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Let's hope the family of Peter Falconio does get some
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: closer that that body can be recovered sometime.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Perhaps someone's got some information. We're going to take a break.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll have some more analysis of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi's visit to China, which is still going.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Tom Switzer will join me.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the top of the program, Anthony
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Albanesi is still in China. He's got a tuck couple
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of good days to go yet in his six day
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: visit to the communist superpower. But the guts of his mission,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the main part of his mission, occurred in Beijing yesterday.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: He's off to regional cities the next couple of days.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Not Wuhan, I can tell you, but somewhere else. Let's
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: get some more analysis on this visit from Tom Switzer
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: from the Center for Independent Studies. He joins us live
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: from Sydney. Good to talk to you, Tom. What's been
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: your assessment of this trip and the way it's played
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: out for Anthony Alberesi so.
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: Far, well, all prime ministers in the last twenty five years,
• 27:03
  Speaker 15: Chris have tried to reconcile our close trade relations with
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: China and our most important security relationship with the United States.
• 27:11
  Speaker 15: I think it's a bit like riding two horses simultaneously.
• 27:14
  Speaker 15: It's a very delicate diplomatic act. And I think what
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: happened during the Morrison era is that we've probably got
• 27:19
  Speaker 15: a bit closer to the Americans and upset the Chinese.
• 27:22
  Speaker 15: Now the danger is that Anthony alberaniz he looks like
• 27:24
  Speaker 15: he's getting too close to the Chinese and the danger
• 27:27
  Speaker 15: of upsetting the Americans. So I think he's probably skewed
• 27:30
  Speaker 15: things further in the China's direction. I mean, give the
• 27:33
  Speaker 15: guy credit. He has changed his position on the question
• 27:36
  Speaker 15: of the lease for the Chinese company in the Dark
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: Port of Darwin. He claims that he's had his position
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: for ten years, but the reality is he was only
• 27:47
  Speaker 15: aping Peter Dutton during the federal election campaign. He's standing
• 27:50
  Speaker 15: firm on that issue.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: But I think all.
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: Things considered, from Washington's perspective, this will look like he's
• 27:56
  Speaker 15: being a bit too close to the Chinese and the
• 27:59
  Speaker 15: task now for the Australians to get better access now
• 28:01
  Speaker 15: to the Americans.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Look, he's certainly sticking firm on the Chinese port, on
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the Port of Darwin and getting it out of Chinese hands,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: but it's clear that more pressure is going to come
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: on that front. I'll give him one other bit of credit,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and that is people have been trying to trip him
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: up on the Taiwan question and some of the complexities there,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and he's held pretty firm.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I think his line has been pretty secure. Have a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: look at this what we do.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: What we do has continue to support a one China policy.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: We support the status quo by definition. We don't support
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: any unilateral action.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: On Taiwan.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: That's been our position for a long period of time.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Nothing's different there, you.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Know, and that's pretty sensible.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: People are trying to get him to sort of back
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Taiwan independence, you know, at the same time he opposes
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Chinese military action, So he's walking that fine line pretty
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: well there. But what's really disappointed me is this failure
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: to stand up against both the trade sanctions that have
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: been directed against Australia in the last five or six years,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and also the military intimidation. There's no words of admonition
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: from Albanizi towards China.
• 29:13
  Speaker 15: Well, look, you're right, is right to focus the Prime
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: minister's right to focus on strategic ambiguity. The Shanghai communicate
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: that Nixon and Kissinger fords with the Chinese leadership in
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: nineteen seventy two. Even the Americans abide by that policy
• 29:26
  Speaker 15: of strategic ambiguity. But the problem for Albo is that
• 29:31
  Speaker 15: on the question of China, he doesn't really do more
• 29:34
  Speaker 15: to condemn the Chinese naval exercises in our waters, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 15: at times in the past, not on this trip, but
• 29:41
  Speaker 15: in times in the past few months, he has tried
• 29:43
  Speaker 15: to draw a moral equivalence between the Chinese conduct in
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: Australian waters and what the Australian naval exercises do in
• 29:54
  Speaker 15: the South China. See, they're completely different issues. In the
• 29:57
  Speaker 15: Great Australian Bite and the South Waters of Australia are
• 30:02
  Speaker 15: not hotly contested territorial waters, they're not under legal claims.
• 30:07
  Speaker 15: But in the South China Sea. We remember in twenty sixteen,
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: a UN tribunal at the Hague ruled that China's conduct
• 30:14
  Speaker 15: in the South China Sea was illegal, so there's no
• 30:16
  Speaker 15: moral equivalence there. The Prime Minister should reaffirm that position,
• 30:21
  Speaker 15: probably more assertively.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I couldn't agree more.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Now, the other issue is China keeps talking about fair
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and free trade now, which is we know, of course
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: this is a way of trying to slap down America
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: with President Donald Trump throwing tariffs around left, right and center.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But China can hardly hardly declare itself to be the
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: bast in the free and fair trade. It's been the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: prior on this front for decades, so that hypocrisy is
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: not exposed at all by Albanezi as well. But meantime,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: in America, Donald Trump's tariff impositions continue. He's targeting pharmaceuticals next,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: which could be bad for Australia.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Here's what the President had to say.
• 31:02
  Speaker 16: Farmatuticals will be tariff probably at the end of the month,
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: and we're going to start off with the love tariff
• 31:08
  Speaker 16: and give the pharmaceutical companies a year or so to
• 31:11
  Speaker 16: bill and then we're going to make.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It a very high tariff because we got to move them.
• 31:17
  Speaker 16: And look, there's two ways you do it. You make
• 31:20
  Speaker 16: money and for and or you have them move here
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: so they don't have.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: To pay the tarraff.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Now, this stuff's still playing out pretty well for Donald
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Trump in the US. But how much damage will be
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: done to global trade and especially to Australia.
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: Well, I think it's much worse news for Australia than
• 31:39
  Speaker 15: other tariffs. After all, pharmaceuticals are one of those few
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: areas beyond the mining and of course our gas and
• 31:48
  Speaker 15: colle exports where we really have a comparative advantage, and
• 31:53
  Speaker 15: our innovators do a tremendous job of converting complicated technology
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: into commercial success. And that's no wonder why the ASX
• 32:01
  Speaker 15: today lost twenty billion dollars, even more reason for Canberra
• 32:06
  Speaker 15: to have greater access to Washington to try to push
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: in the blow.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Albaneze needs to get that meeting with Donald Trump
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: as soon as possible, doesn't he.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Tom.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I appreciate Tom Switzer there from the Center for Independent Studies.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I'm pleased to share with you too that Tom will
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: be here every Wednesday from now and I can't wait
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to pick his brains every Wednesday for you. Now, we're
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: going to get to a break again and coming up,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: we're going to have the latest on Labour's green dream
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: hitting another roadblock with a wind farm project canceled.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: The Shadow Energy Minister, Dan Tin will join me.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the country's energy crisis now with
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Dan ten who's now the shadow Energy minister.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Dan.
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: Good to be with you, Chris, and glad to see
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: your crows flying high.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: You must be pretty happy about that at the moment.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Just keep a lid on them, mate, just keep on it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Actually, just what I've got you.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: But before we get to energy, you of course used
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to have the immigration portfolio.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: What do you make of.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: The fact that the latest figures out for May show
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it's the biggest intake of permanent migrants in the month
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: of May. Ever, I mean, it looks like Labor is
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: just not following through on their promises to reduce our
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: immigration rates.
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: Absolutely once again, talk a huge game and then cannot
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: deliver a single thing.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: It's quite extraordinary, and the.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: Question still remains, where are all these people going to live?
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: As you know, we've seen recently Treasury documents that have
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: been leaked show that Labor are not going to meet
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: their housing targets and yet their immigration targets. Rather than
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: going down as Anthony Alberanezi promise, they would continue to
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: grow at extraordinary rates. And I'm sure that everyone, once
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: they've seen these figures will just be asking where are
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: all these people going to live?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hell of a problem. I want to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: come back to your portfolio now and energy. We know
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the renewable energy roll out as creating strife and communities
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: across the country, including in your electorate there in western Victoria.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And another big offshore wind project.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: In Victoria has now been canned because they can't find
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: a buyer for the project.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: This is you know, there might.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Be relief from some communities that these projects are going ahead,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: but what does it mean for that state's energy plan.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Well, obviously Victoria's energy plan is in disarray. We've seen
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: that because there's been leaked documents that they've hired one
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: of the top four accounting firms to have discussions around
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: making sure that we can continue with the supply of
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: coal fired generation here in Victoria.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: But for Chris Bowen, this once again just.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: Shows that he has no clue about what he is doing,
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: and also that once again he has completely and utterly
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: misled the Australian people. He said on two GB that
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: the Australian Government would not fund these.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: Offshore win projects.
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: He said that the private capital would come in and
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: they would self fund themselves. Now he's out and this
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: is reported on the ABC as saying that the government
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: is going to have to step in and finance these
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: offshore win projects. Well, how much is that going to cost?
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: We already know that their renewable only approach is going
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: to cost over six hundred billion dollars and now we
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: have him step in in saying he wants to fund
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: offshore win. The expense just continues to and sadly so
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: are people's electricity bills.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: Stud Minister bow and sharing competence.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Look, and he's still continuing to mock nuclear energy and
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: say that the.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Election put that to rest.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Surely the Coalition has to double down on nuclear as
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the only reliable and affordable way to have missions free energy.
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, we have to make sure that we continue to
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: prosecute to get rid of the moratorium. We have to
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: continue to prosecute the case that if you want emissions free,
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: reliable energy, then nuclear needs to be part.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Of the conversation we have as a nation.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: It's occurring everywhere else, whether it be Japan, whether it
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: be the US, whether it be in Europe. They're all
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: looking at increasing their nuclear power.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: As you know, Chris, we.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: Mind the uranium here and why we can't have a
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: conversation around using nuclear here in Australia is beyond me
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: and Chris Bowen should show the maturity to be prepared
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: to have that discussion instead with his ideologically driven renewables
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: only approach. What we're seeing is major industries under threat
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: that want to.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Jump some of your mania.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah sorry, Some of your senate colleagues are pushing for
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: an inquiry into metals manufacturing industries because these high energy
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: prices for could force out nickel processing plants, copper smelting plants,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: aluminium smelting plants. This could be a real crisis of
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: manufacturing unless we find a way to keep these industries.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: Absolutely your spot on.
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: We're seeing five smelters in Tasmania where the federal government
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: is probably going to have to step in to save
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: them along with the Tasmanian government. In New South Wales,
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: their largest energy user, the smelter there is in serious
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: trouble and although they're in discussion, three are in discussions
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: with the New South Wales and federal government.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: I don't think that there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: Will be a solution there, So sadly we could see
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: serious jobs go there.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: And not only.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: That that there's a facility that uses around ten percent
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: of New South Waleses energy and what that will do
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: st stability and the electricity greed is anyone's guest.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: So it's just a complete and utter mess.
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: Every which way you look under Chris Bowen's stewardship, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: obviously the Prime Minister won't pull him into line, won't question.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: The job he's doing.
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: Even though the Prime Minister promised that power prices would
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: come down by two hundred and seventy five dollars by
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: the end of this year. Yet Chris Bowen has single
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: handily failed to get a figure anywhere like that because
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: everyone knows they've gone up by about seven hundred and
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: fifty two one thousand dollars.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable and it's only i to get worse on the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: current settings.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us down. I appreciate it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Dan Tee in there, he's the shadow of Energy Minister
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: joining us there from Western Victoria. We've got to get
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: to a break. On the other side, we'll catch up
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Danika de Giorgio and Lisa Goddard. We'll talk about why
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is standing in front of three flags
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: in China, and also Donald Trump says he doesn't even
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: understand why his supporters are so interested in the boring
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: old Jeffrey Epstein case. Let's get into the Wednesday rangle.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: We might not have a lot of disagreement.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: You never know. Danika de Giorgio, host.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Of her self titled show here on Friday nights at
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: five o'clock on the desk, Thanks for filling in the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: other week, to be filling in everywhere. And Lisa joins
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: us from the wonderful city of Brisbane. Good to talk
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: to you again, Lisa, thanks for joining us. I want
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: to start off and get both of your thoughts on
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: This just stounds me now. As you know, I'm a
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: bloke who backed the Indigenous Voice and I don't mind
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: seeing the Indigenous flag around at the right time, at
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the right occasion. But the Prime Minister is in Shina,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: he's in Beijing talking about Australia's interest and look.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: At him there. Adneka three flags.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: You know, I actually raise this on Monday night myself.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: I asked the exact same question because it was the
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: first thing I noticed. Chris, why have we got the
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: prime minister of our country going over to a different
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: country standing in front of the flags of what three
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: different flags? It should be the Australian flag only you're
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: representing one country. Remember when the Coalition wanted to make
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: this a policy before the next election that if Peter
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Dutton was God was to win, he would only stand
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: in one in front of.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: One that was everywhere.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was ever this is an example of one
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: time where you do need to stand in front of
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: one flag. You're overseas representing Australia.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I would have thought it's unarguable overseas you've got to
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: do that, Lisa. Just from the point of view of
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: the Chinese looking on, that'd be totally confused.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Who's this bloke the Prime minister of We got no idea?
• 40:46
  Speaker 17: Well, exactly, I agree with Deneika, no surprise there that
• 40:49
  Speaker 17: it should be just one flag.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: But Chris, I thought back to the top twenty.
• 40:53
  Speaker 17: Nine images that we saw just recently that were replayed,
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: and remember that the Australian pavilion there, which cost us
• 40:58
  Speaker 17: what a million dollars in tax payer money. They were
• 41:00
  Speaker 17: actually doing a Welcome to country in a different.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: On this show in China, Yeah, which.
• 41:08
  Speaker 17: Would be grateful. He is not doing your Welcome to
• 41:10
  Speaker 17: country in front of the country. I agree, it should
• 41:12
  Speaker 17: be one place.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, they just don't know what they're doing. I want
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to go back to the way I reckon. He's been
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: duchess by the Chinese. He's been weak, he's been acquiescent.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: But listen to the way that the Chinese just play
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: him like a fiddle.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: The band there in the Great Hall played a different
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: version of Paul Kelly's to Her Door of Midnight Earl's
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Power and the Passion of a range of songs as well.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: That obviously took them a long period of time, and
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: those gestures matter. They did the full kitten Kerbrtle and
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: so it was a splendid occasion.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Give me a break, Lee.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: So that they're playing, they're playing a prime minister fiddle.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: They know that he hasn't progressed beyond sort of triple j.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, and I wonder why Midnight Oil is popular
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: with the Beijing.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, as us forces, give the nod shutdown Pine Gap.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: You know, you're a sellout to your country. It's just
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: pushing all their messages.
• 42:16
  Speaker 17: Cutos to them. They clearly did their research on Google
• 42:19
  Speaker 17: to find out what is the top ten favorite bands
• 42:21
  Speaker 17: and songs were. But the point here he has become
• 42:24
  Speaker 17: the darling of the Chinese state media. I saw just
• 42:27
  Speaker 17: moments ago there was a new report out saying that
• 42:29
  Speaker 17: the paper is running a cartoon where there's a panda
• 42:33
  Speaker 17: and a kangaroo apparently in sort of some sort of cuddle,
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: and the headline is Cooperation. So they're absolutely loving Anthony Albanezi.
• 42:40
  Speaker 17: Ask Australians what they think of his performance, or you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 17: any chance of meeting with Donald Trump in the near future,
• 42:45
  Speaker 17: we might have a very different view. But over there
• 42:47
  Speaker 17: he's certainly winning them over.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Did not oil or to do a tour of China,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: you know, because they're bagging America, bagging capitalism.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: I meanwhile, our beds are Bernie in Australia, I do
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: nothing like a musical thing along inut in the Great Hole.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: That's all you've got to do. Apparently that is.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: The winning formula to get this Prime minister on site.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: It's just absolutely fascinating. But do the Chinese they know
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: what they're doing? Anthony Albanezi said, it's all in the
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: name of diplomacy. He's refusing to push back at absolutely
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: every little thing that the Chinese have done to us
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: in the last couple of years or so. And why
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: because we dared to question about the origins of COVID nineteen.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: But no, look, never mind, a bit a song and
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: dance will do it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, next time they'll probably play the Rabbit O's theme song,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I suppose, and really getting Let's go.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: To an old mate of ours from Sky News.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: A colleague used to be a regular contributor here, and
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that is Nicholas Reese, former Labor Party staff for of
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: course now.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Lord Mayor of Melbourne.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: There was a story out last week about his excessive
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: overseas and domestic travel.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Bilbert. He's off overseas again.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Apparently the next trip he's off into Asia I think
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: China again, but certainly around Asia, at a cost of
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars. That's on top of one hundred and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: fourteen thousand dollars since the end of twenty twenty.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: He's having a ripe. Old time, isn't he why is
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: there go to China at the moment?
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Have we missed up bigger Chris?
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: What is going on? Well, he's high up in the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: labor party. Now that's it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, obviously Nick Raese is a friend of
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Sky News here, but I mean, come on, one hundred
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: and thirty thousand dollars to fly business class. Surely one
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: of the counselors. Surely somebody within the city of Melbourne
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: has gone. Hang on a second. The optics of this
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: don't look very good when you're sending a whole contingent
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: of counselors over there. And just one point, Chris the
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Herald's son quoted a source within town Hall that said,
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: trying to get on this junket has been the hottest ticket.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I mean it has been. I'll carry you, I'll carry
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: your bags. Nick.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: If you look, I think he's just trying to get
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: out of Melbourne before the finals as a cart and
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: supporters is my tip.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Now I want to go to.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: This story from the UK because it just resonates so
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: strongly with the sorts of idiocy we've.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Seen in Australia.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And this is a diversity day where they're encourage all
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: their students to wear a tire that symbolizes their nationality
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and their heritage. And the girl turns up in the
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: British flag like spice girl, proud of her British heritage,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and she's told off. They try and get her the
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: change into an old uniform in the insider in the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: office until her father can pick her up and take
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: her home.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: This is just outrageous, Lisa, Yeah, how.
• 45:12
  Speaker 17: Dare you be proud of your own heritage and be
• 45:14
  Speaker 17: proud of your own country. That's what this has come
• 45:16
  Speaker 17: down to you. I spent a long time working in
• 45:18
  Speaker 17: America and many many houses over there, no matter where
• 45:21
  Speaker 17: you go, we'll have the US flag we are proudly
• 45:23
  Speaker 17: flying outside of their houses. Here in Australia you barely
• 45:26
  Speaker 17: see it. And in the UK you now have a
• 45:28
  Speaker 17: twelve year old school girl being admonished because she dared
• 45:31
  Speaker 17: to wear the flag on her dress. I think on
• 45:33
  Speaker 17: this one, I'm glad the father actually has made a
• 45:35
  Speaker 17: point of it and spoken out publicly, but that school
• 45:37
  Speaker 17: should hang its head in shame. They sure it's a
• 45:39
  Speaker 17: sure discrimination.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: They've apologized. It's been like that in Australia.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Now people say it's sort of almost racist to raise
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the Australian flag. It's outrageous that the schoolgirl is only
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: twelve year old.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: She's in year seven. Her name was Courtney Right and
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: here's what she had to say.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Birth teacher. I saw she straight away just took me
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: to get changed. She didn't want to hear about my
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: dress or see it. She just straight away might get
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: change and not see in it and never teacher trying
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: to stop me and said, you can't mean that. It's
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: your nationality and not your culture.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Very similar to what we see here. Absolutely it is.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, look what happens to us on Australia Day.
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: Chris.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: You dare to even fly the Australian flag. Suddenly you're
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: a bigot, You're a racist. You shouldn't be proud of
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: your own culture. It just goes to show how woke
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: the education system has become. It's been hijacked by activists
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: who obviously hate their own culture and want to celebrate
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: everyone else's culture except the British. You know, you had
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: people allowed to wear burkers at this diversity day, but
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: god forbid, you want to wear the union jack that
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: is considered racist. I just think that it just goes
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: to show it's a broader problem of not being allowed
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: to feel proud of who you are and where you've
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: come from.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Twelve year old girls wearing burkers is okay, but not
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: addressed with the British flag.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It's a warped world.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Indeed, let me go back to the US though, because
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I'll share this with you.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk and.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: All sorts of conspiracy theories about the Jeffrey Epstein files.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Supposedly who's on the list of names and all the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: rest of it. But Donald Trump, who's one of the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: many celebrities who's been photographed with Epstein over the years, well,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: he said today that he doesn't even understand why everybody's
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: interested in this stuff.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 47:21
  Speaker 12: These files were made up by Comy, they were made
• 47:24
  Speaker 12: up by Obama. They were made up by the Maiden.
• 47:27
  Speaker 12: It's going to be up to her. Whatever she thinks
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: is credible, she should release. I don't understand why the
• 47:33
  Speaker 12: Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody.
• 47:36
  Speaker 16: It's pretty boring stuff. It's sortied, but it's boring.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: There you go. If it's so boring, why are they
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: releasing it?
• 47:43
  Speaker 17: Lisa, Well, it just boggles your mind, really, doesn't it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 17: So they've talked all this time about there being a list.
• 47:51
  Speaker 17: The Bondo comment said that there was a list that
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: was on her desk for review, and now suddenly there
• 47:56
  Speaker 17: is no list. You can't tell me that there has
• 47:58
  Speaker 17: been the investigations that there has been, and that there
• 48:00
  Speaker 17: is no list that exists. You know that it might
• 48:03
  Speaker 17: sound conspiracy theorists, yes, but I find it very hard
• 48:06
  Speaker 17: to believe that with all the investigations. You know, you've
• 48:08
  Speaker 17: got someone that also in prison now for twenty years
• 48:10
  Speaker 17: serving time over it. Epstein was behind bars on charges.
• 48:13
  Speaker 17: You can't tell me that a list does not exist.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just quickly, if there's nothing to just get it out.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Just let's get it out there.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Why I mean, and of you say, come on, Donald Trump,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: we know why we want the list out. We're all
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: very curious here, Relisa, Please.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: He's playing um, playing dumb. I know why everyone's interested
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in this. Give me a break. Thanks so much for
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: joining us, Anika and Lisa. I appreciate it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: That's all we got for you today. I have plenty
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: more for you tomorrow night at five o'clock.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Coming up next is Peter Kreblin see you then