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'Supermom' Sherri Papini Hubby 'Blindsided' by Kidnapping Hoax · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Sherry peppaining, that's a name that will
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  Speaker 1: go down in infamy. Remember the thirty something year old
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  Speaker 1: so called super Mom. She seemingly had it all. You know,
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  Speaker 1: all of us working mom slogging through trying to get
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  Speaker 1: up at five in the morning and feed all the
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  Speaker 1: pets and the children and the grannies that live with you,
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  Speaker 1: and the this and the that, and make it to
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  Speaker 1: carpool and back in time to get to work. She
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  Speaker 1: seemingly had it all beautiful, no question about that, slim
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  Speaker 1: svelt Peppie, beautiful Hume, wonderful children. You never hear about
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  Speaker 1: them going to geeb jail or anything like that, loving
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  Speaker 1: adoring husband. Remember when she went missing? And for those
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  Speaker 1: of you that can only hear me and can't see me,
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  Speaker 1: I put missing in super big air quoties. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious X one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini faked oh whole kidnapping that lasted nearly a month,
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  Speaker 1: leaving her husband and her little children wondering is mommy dead?
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  Speaker 1: Come to find out, she was shocked up with her
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  Speaker 1: ex boyfriend doing god only knows what. But that's not
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  Speaker 1: my concern. That's not against the law. Who sleeps with
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  Speaker 1: who don't care? But when you pull a hoax like
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  Speaker 1: this on law enforcement, you got another thought coming. Let
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  Speaker 1: me just jog your memory because guess what we have
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  Speaker 1: today for your viewing and listening pleasure. Videotapes of Peppini
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  Speaker 1: sticking to her lies. She is in interrogation after interrogation,
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  Speaker 1: after interrogation trying to convince authorities that two Hispanic women
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  Speaker 1: kidnapped her for sex purposes, beat her, shackled her, branded
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  Speaker 1: her with a hot brand like on Yellowstone. Yes, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I just can't stop looking at
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  Speaker 1: the lies. This woman just comes from her mouth and
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  Speaker 1: she fully expects everybody to believe her. But this is
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  Speaker 1: where it all started to take a listen now, friends,
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  Speaker 1: KRCR Keith Pappini came home last Wednesday and his wife,
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Pappini, was nowhere to be found. In normal days,
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  Speaker 1: I would open the door and my families comes and
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  Speaker 1: runs and gives me a hug. But there were no
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  Speaker 1: welcoming hugs. So he searched in the house and their property,
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  Speaker 1: but learned the children were still at daycare. He found
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  Speaker 1: Sherry's phone down the street. That's when I knew she'd been,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, taken or abducted. Now days later, family, friends,
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  Speaker 1: the community, and law enforcement are still looking for Sherry.
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  Speaker 1: It's the worst thing in the world. It's the worst
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  Speaker 1: thing ever. Time going by slowly and their children don't
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  Speaker 1: know their mother is missing. It's hard waiting. You know
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  Speaker 1: you're waiting, You're waiting for a phone call. You're waiting
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  Speaker 1: for something to tell us, you know, this is the
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  Speaker 1: direction or this is the house or this is the car,
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  Speaker 1: and that is that is very difficult right now. But
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  Speaker 1: Keith is determined to find her. If she was listening,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to say that we're trying the best
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  Speaker 1: we can and I'm so sorry that I'm not there.
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  Speaker 1: The family believes she was abducted and has this message
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  Speaker 1: bring her home, bring her home? Does bring her home? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: I almost made a smart elect crack about waiting, waiting, waiting,
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  Speaker 1: waiting for what your lying wife to call him and say,
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  Speaker 1: oh honey, I left up, But then I heard his
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  Speaker 1: voice crack, and it reminded me of all the suffering
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  Speaker 1: that he and his children and all Pepini's family went
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  Speaker 1: through daring her hoax. Hey, I'm going to introduce the
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  Speaker 1: whole panel, but let me go first to Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath
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  Speaker 1: My Feet. He's a star of a brand new hit
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  Speaker 1: series called Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan on and Elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: It's great, Joe Scott, I remember at the beginning the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning when Peppinni went missing. You and I talked
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  Speaker 1: and I said, you know, something that's really bothering me
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  Speaker 1: about this whole thing, about the kidnap thing, is that
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  Speaker 1: her phone was placed carefully on the ground. It was
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  Speaker 1: placed somewhere where it would be found, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just thrown into the brush. It wasn't smashed at the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of a ravine like it is with Debbie Collier
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  Speaker 1: that we're trying to figure that case out right now.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that, the earbuds were attached with a
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  Speaker 1: wire and they were wrapped very neatly around the phone
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  Speaker 1: and then placed there. I'm like, you know what, that
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  Speaker 1: one detail that doesn't fit, And I'm telling you, one
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  Speaker 1: detail can break a case. Joe Scott Ken and a
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  Speaker 1: neat little feature that was involved with this, or a
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  Speaker 1: few strands for hair that were caught up in that.
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  Speaker 1: And I look at this now retrospectively, and I wonder,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I wonder if this was planned as well,
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  Speaker 1: you rip some hair out of you're pulling her own
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  Speaker 1: hair out, and you're gonna wad it up in there too,
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  Speaker 1: neatly placed ab outside of the road, because they used
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  Speaker 1: that where's my iPhone out? I wanted to think of
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  Speaker 1: that jack pulling her hair out in addition to branding
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  Speaker 1: herself and breaking her own nose. Okay, I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: gab with you, but let's move forward. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to Alice and Suddon. This is the woman that sees
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  Speaker 1: Peppini by the side of the road. I saw her
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  Speaker 1: very very quickly. Her face looked I thought her face
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  Speaker 1: was dirty, but based on what I know now, I'm
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  Speaker 1: guessing that what I thought was dirt on her face
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  Speaker 1: was the bruises. But it was. It was very restraints.
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  Speaker 1: It just it was so dark. I barely barely saw her.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, it was a flash because that
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  Speaker 1: area is so dark for thirty in the morning. Peppini
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  Speaker 1: is out wandering the streets, covered in bruises and still
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  Speaker 1: in restraint. So just add that to the listenings. Restrained
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  Speaker 1: herself Now it keeps going. Listen to our friends at GMA.
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  Speaker 1: Peppini seemingly disappeared in November of twenty sixteen, reappearing three
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  Speaker 1: weeks later badly injured, claiming she was abducted by two
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  Speaker 1: Hispanic women and physically and emotionally tortured, beaten, and drugged
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  Speaker 1: her husband Keith, speaking exclusively to ABC News just days
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  Speaker 1: after they were reunited at the hospital, one of the
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  Speaker 1: officers kind of like braced me and kind of put
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  Speaker 1: his arm around me, and he said, you know, prepare yourself.
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  Speaker 1: She's alive and you just got to be happy. And
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  Speaker 1: they branded her and her poor face got like nauseated
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  Speaker 1: just looking at her. It's so hard for me to
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  Speaker 1: see her like that. Had bruises were just intends, the
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  Speaker 1: bumps from you know, being hit and kicked in whatever
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  Speaker 1: else you know, do doctor Angela Arnold. We're making light
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  Speaker 1: of it because we know Sherry Pepine. He's a big
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  Speaker 1: liar and she costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement. But did you hear the husband? And what
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  Speaker 1: about the children? They're going to remember the rest of
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  Speaker 1: their lives. But mommy went missing and she faked the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing well, and I think, how can you do
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  Speaker 1: that to your children? And I think the sad thing too,
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  Speaker 1: is Nancy, what are they ever going to believe? What
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  Speaker 1: are they ever going to be able to believe in
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  Speaker 1: their lives again? She has left them all with this
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  Speaker 1: hole inside of them. That they're not going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to believe she is cried wolf. They're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to believe if someone is telling the truth. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: doddor Angie, Doctor Angie, you've got to hear her words
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  Speaker 1: from the horse's mouth. Doctor angel La Arnold with me
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  Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists out of Atlanta at angela Arnold md dot com. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to Sherry Peppini, so called super Mom,
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  Speaker 1: describing the chain the two Hispanic women. Remember, guys, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't exist. She nearly got women arrested. They kind of
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  Speaker 1: fit her fate composite. The imaginary Hispanic women placed imaginary
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  Speaker 1: chains around her waist, and she says this with a
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  Speaker 1: straight face. Listen, these are our friends at ABC. Reappearing
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  Speaker 1: just over three weeks later on the side of a
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  Speaker 1: highway on Thanksgiving morning, claiming she had been taken and
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  Speaker 1: held against her will by two fictitious women. There was
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  Speaker 1: a chain around my waist. Do you know what you
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  Speaker 1: were affixed to? The tether? Was it like a robe?
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  Speaker 1: A metal cable about the bathroom telling it just was
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  Speaker 1: a standard. There was a crack in the tile. It
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  Speaker 1: was a light colored tile that was speckled. There's a
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  Speaker 1: crack in the tile. Her seemingly miraculous story of survival
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  Speaker 1: a complete fabrication. Wow. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick joining me. Veteran California prosecutor, author of Red
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  Speaker 1: Flags on Amazon. She's at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com.
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  Speaker 1: She's the host of It Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ. Wendy,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for making time to be with us. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I always look for stories. If I'm deciding about credibility
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  Speaker 1: of a witness, and I have directed and cross examined
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  Speaker 1: over ten thousand witnesses in one way or another, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's a motion to suppress, whether it's some other sort
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  Speaker 1: of preliminary emotion, whether it's a witness at trial. It
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  Speaker 1: goes on, and you know, they really rack up, Wendy
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  Speaker 1: when you're trying cases. But long story short, I look
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  Speaker 1: for richness in detail, Like if some if Jack you
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  Speaker 1: were telling me I'm going to light to the studio today,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, why long pause? Car problems? What kind of problem? Flat?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you? Big long pause? Or like wait, weren't
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  Speaker 1: you taken in uber this week? Big bigger pause? So
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  Speaker 1: if you question, and you're looking for detail. It's not
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  Speaker 1: that hard to crack a story, and this woman is
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  Speaker 1: full of details, right down to the crack and the tile.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, Nancy, that really was what broke the
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  Speaker 1: story for investigators is there was so much detail. There
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  Speaker 1: was an overabundance of dramatic detail that actually ended up
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  Speaker 1: being suspicious. It wasn't an issue of causing. It was
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  Speaker 1: almost an issue of having precreated this hoax, this story
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  Speaker 1: that was just a little too fantastic. And as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: investigators no not only what to look for, what to
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  Speaker 1: ask about, but then how to compare the way a
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  Speaker 1: story changes. And all of those details made her recitation
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  Speaker 1: suspicious right from the beginning. And I never have a
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  Speaker 1: problem with a witness adding to the story because under
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  Speaker 1: the correct questioning, they may say, well, yeah, and she
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  Speaker 1: gave me a diet coke, or she this or she that,
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  Speaker 1: under the right questioning, But to actually change the story
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  Speaker 1: as a whole other camera, I'm saying, you hit the
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  Speaker 1: nail on the head when you said drama. This is
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  Speaker 1: this is a nickname we had from my daughter when
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  Speaker 1: she was a little drama tragedy, because there's always a tragedy,
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  Speaker 1: like a Greek tragedy going on when she's like two
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  Speaker 1: years old. She was always having drama. Sounds like Sherry Peppini.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear more from Sherry Peppini. But what about this rope,
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  Speaker 1: this chain, and what about the so called boyfriend, the
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  Speaker 1: ex boyfriend she's somehow convinced to join her in her
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  Speaker 1: crazy scheme. Take listen to our buddy, Matt Gutman. And
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  Speaker 1: over the next six years, investigators would piece together how
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  Speaker 1: Peppini had lied about everything from her fictional abduction to
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  Speaker 1: injuries which were largely self inflicted DNA from her clothing,
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  Speaker 1: eventually leading them to her ex boyfriend James. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get nack her, you know, I just friend in
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  Speaker 1: need asking for and that was that? What did you
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  Speaker 1: say she was ranging it away from her residence? Are
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  Speaker 1: your heaving b two guys, I don't know what her
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  Speaker 1: joe was. I don't think if I look in her room,
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  Speaker 1: the closet, it's the same as she described it, ding
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  Speaker 1: ding ding ding ding. This apartment, this closet, and this
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  Speaker 1: bathroom looked just like the place that Sherry says she
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  Speaker 1: was held captive. Wow, are the two hispanic women hailed
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  Speaker 1: her captive and starved her and beat her. Looks just
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  Speaker 1: like the inside of her ex boyfriend's apartment where she
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  Speaker 1: hid out. Take a listen to more. Authorities say Peppini's
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  Speaker 1: allegations of abuse against her husband were unfounded and that
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  Speaker 1: James Rays had no knowledge of her plan, and with
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  Speaker 1: rays His cooperation, investigators now believed they had solid proof
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  Speaker 1: sheriff Peppini's kidnapping was a hoax. Your Indian and it
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  Speaker 1: was on you belongs to James Rayce. We talked to him,
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  Speaker 1: he spent on a polygraph. We talked to everybody around him.
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  Speaker 1: We have the rental agreements, phone rental, car rental agreements.
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  Speaker 1: The reason why you lost so much weight is because
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  Speaker 1: you stopped eating. The reason why the brand is because
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  Speaker 1: he went to the store bought the brand Antils and
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  Speaker 1: branded you. The reason why your nose was broke, it's
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  Speaker 1: because of a hot stip whoa So she branded herself
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  Speaker 1: and broke her own nose. With me Crime Online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave mac Dave, where do you get
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  Speaker 1: a brand? I mean, I've been plenty of hardware stores,
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  Speaker 1: but a brand. Actually, Nancy, it was a woodburning kit.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the little kids we buy for our children where
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  Speaker 1: they can make their own little designs with the little
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  Speaker 1: heating element and little yes kind of that's what they used.
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  Speaker 1: And actually they picked out it was a woodburning kit.
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  Speaker 1: And in that kit it has certain symbols and in
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  Speaker 1: this particular kit, letters and numbers, and that's what they use. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I know she's cost a lot of pain, but a
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  Speaker 1: kid's woodburning kit. Jack, did you hear that? Do we
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  Speaker 1: know what symbols she used? It was always kind of
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  Speaker 1: held tight to the vesto? Okay, you pull it up, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I want to skip forward to our cut sixty five.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to hear more of sherry pepiney, and you
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  Speaker 1: let me know when you find out what the brand was.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody that finds out what it is, jump in and remember, guests,
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  Speaker 1: this is not Tea at High Grove. Okay, jump in.
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  Speaker 1: The Bible Birth was Actudus twenty one sixteen, Exodus twenty
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  Speaker 1: one sixteen. I know Boba's Bible scholar. What what's X
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  Speaker 1: is twenty one sixteen? What does that mean? It's actually
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  Speaker 1: it's actually about kidnapping the dear Lord. And she dragged
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  Speaker 1: the Bible into yes, and it's the Exodus twenty one
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  Speaker 1: sixteen is anyone who kidnapped someone is to be put
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  Speaker 1: to death, whether the victim has been sold or is
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  Speaker 1: still in the kidnappers possession. Okay, thank you for that tidbit.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go forward with Sherry Peppini under interrogation by Shasta
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  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's detectives. This is our cut sixty five. She's
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  Speaker 1: the reason. What do you mean that? She means the
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  Speaker 1: younger one letter who right? So he refrained you we're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna find her, and we can we can just
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  Speaker 1: skip two. We can skip to the roskey into the
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  Speaker 1: water and ruffle upon if we want to now again,
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  Speaker 1: does your last offer? There's last time if you want
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  Speaker 1: to do this alone or with Keith. Keith been three
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  Speaker 1: is also on a different level. So I'm ready just
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  Speaker 1: to I'm ready to move on and throw the dark
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  Speaker 1: and throw the rock and see what happens for water.
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  Speaker 1: But where do you want I don't want her to
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  Speaker 1: get in trouble. She's not even to get in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: So the DNA came back to James Ras. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: she's sticking to her story. DNA is found connected to
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini that no doubt about it is her ex
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  Speaker 1: boyfriends James Race. But she is sticking to her story.
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  Speaker 1: What is she saying, Dave Max, She's saying, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want her to get in trouble, and she says it,
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  Speaker 1: so call me. Is she still she's going down with
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  Speaker 1: a ship about the two Hispanic women? Absolutely, And what
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  Speaker 1: she had told here previously was that the younger of
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  Speaker 1: the two Hispanic woman held a gun and told her
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  Speaker 1: to leave, and saying that it was the younger of
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  Speaker 1: the two kidnappers that actually let her go. And as
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  Speaker 1: she says, you know, giving me the chance to see
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  Speaker 1: my children. Quote, I don't want to get her in trouble. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: as much as I'd love to talk to everybody on
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  Speaker 1: the panel, let's hear some more Sherry Peppini. Okay, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like the SNL quote more Cowbell, I gotta have more,
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini. Take a listen. The reason why you can
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  Speaker 1: describe the rooms is because you stayed in the room
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  Speaker 1: in the dark for Howard, for days on end. The
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  Speaker 1: reason why you lost so much weight is because you
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  Speaker 1: stopped eating. The reason why you got a rash on
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  Speaker 1: your farm is because he cleaned his house. The reason
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  Speaker 1: why the brand is because he went to the store,
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  Speaker 1: bought the brand new tools and branded you. The reason
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  Speaker 1: why your nose was broken, it is because of a
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  Speaker 1: hockey stick. I know all of those things, and I
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  Speaker 1: know there was no sex. I know all of that
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  Speaker 1: because he passed a polygraph test that said it's not
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  Speaker 1: an abduction. She asked me to come together her, so
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  Speaker 1: I rented a car, drove up, and he passed the
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  Speaker 1: polygraph test. Okay, it goes on and on and on
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  Speaker 1: talking about drama. So let me understand this. What kind
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  Speaker 1: of a mindset would she be in? What kind of
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  Speaker 1: a mindset would she be doctor Angie Arnold to literally
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  Speaker 1: starve herself. I recall she lost I think forty pounds.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember how much weight she lost to break
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  Speaker 1: your own nose with a hockey stick, and to Jackie
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  Speaker 1: has very kindly, thank you Jackie for saying this is
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  Speaker 1: something I can't get out of my head where she
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  Speaker 1: literally burned letters into her skin. Well, Nancy, she was
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  Speaker 1: telling a lie and she has gotten so caught up
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  Speaker 1: in this lie, and I imagine it's become it became
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  Speaker 1: harder and harder and harder, and she felt like she
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  Speaker 1: needed to do more things for people to believe this lie.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what, Nancy, we don't know. Maybe she
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  Speaker 1: got into it too. I mean, there are people who's
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  Speaker 1: self harm. How do we know she's not a self
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: harming person. Okay, there's self harm for reasons that you,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: as a shrink understand, and then there is self harm
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to further your big fat lie. We have no evidence
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: she suffered from self harming before she had to convince
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: her husband and law enforcement that she truly had been
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: kidnapped by two women. And she says it with a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: straight face. Take a list of our cut sixty seven.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: She is absolutely not giving up with this, even when
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: confronted with polygraphs in DNA. Listen, that's not what happened. No,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: there's no way it's change. There's no way there's DNA,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is DNA resigning. There's no way Robert saw you in
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the house while you were down there while everything he's
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: far his cousin, why everything ran out of control on
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the initial There's no way it's one Roberts James's Dana
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: even collecting blond hairs from the room. There's no end
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: there's no way. I swear. She sounds like Lucy, my
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: little girl when she was about three years old, going no,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't might swear I didn't end John David of
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: there with a wooden block. And it's so believable. For one,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: if I had not seen it on the Nanny Camp myself,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I would have believed my hysterical little girl, just so
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you know, she no longer hit hits him with a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: wooden block. Um, guys, I'm not a shriek, I'm just
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a jd Okay, Joe Scott Morgan, do you hear this
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: woman just screaming, there's no way it's not James. And
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: James is the ex boyfriend, and they're like, miss Papini,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: we have his DNA. Yeah, we have your hair in
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: his home. And she's like, who's Robert And they're like
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the guy that kept coming into the apartment while you
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: were there, and he's talked to him, that's James's cousin.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And she will not she will not give up. Yeah,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: she's staring straight down the barrel of mathematical probability at
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this moment. Nancy, everybody you see all those memes that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: float around and say math is hard. Well, this is
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the reality of why you need to understand statistical analysis.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: The odds that her hair would be there and that
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: her boyfriends DNA would be on her are absolutely astronomical.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And she understands enough to know that she's staring down
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: this from an evidentiary standpoint. But Nancy, I'll shut up
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: after this. I gotta tell you, I see a lot,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of parallels between this person and that scumback
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: in South Carolina, Susan Smith all those years ago, and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: what she perpetrated. Remember she called out African Americans in
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that particular case and said that they had kidnapped those
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: babies and they had disappeared. She's pleading, asking, and she
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: gets wrapped up in this over and over again, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know, to go to doctor Age's point. She keeps
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: playing along with it and deeper and deeper at the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: math reveals and numbers revealed. She was there. She knows
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: what happened. Okay, Joe Scott, did I ever tell you
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that I was in the middle of trying a case solo,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And of course I got into trouble in court like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I always did with the judge, and I called the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: guy that we were running the court together. I called
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: him Hermann Sloan, and it asked him to come to court.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I said, bring the law quick, I need help. I'm
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: gonna get evidence ruled out. So he races the court
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to help me, and successfully, I might add, he's a brainiac.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And I looked at him and went, Herman, oh my stars,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you look exactly like the composite Susan Smith gave the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: guy that took her children away. You've got an alibi,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: because I think somebody had already told him that, exactly
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like Herman Slafe, who by the way, went on to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: become a judge, not connected to Susan Smith. So yes,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're you know. Another one that would
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just was went down with the story is Jody Arius.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Jody Arius stuck to her story until she was absolutely cornered.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Then she came up with another lie. First I wasn't there.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Then okay, I was there, but they were two guys
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: dressed as ninjas and all black, and they killed him
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and I got away. Then it turned into self defense.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yes I did it, but it was self defense. Remember that.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Remember that Joe Scott Morgan, Yeah, I sure do. And
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: this idea that you know and look again, not shrink.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: That's doctor ing well, but it's it's almost like this
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: delusional thing they wrapped themselves in. But it's not a delusion.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: They're playing a part. At this moment time, this woman
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: was playing a part, you know, running off to the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: boyfriend's apartment like this and dragging him down this road
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: with her. It's it's baffles money. I mean, apparently she
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: tells the boyfriend my husband beats me, my husband rapes me,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: when in reality the husband practically worshiped her. Guys, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: want to hear more. Peppini just got as much as
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I love to hear you go on and on and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: but let's go back to Okay, Joe Scott, I take
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that back, because you know I actually do love to
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: hear you go on and on and on about forensics
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and remember panel, let me just urge you again, this
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: is not high tea at high grow. Hey. Take a
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: circle back to cut sixty four Sherry Peppini, and now listen,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: this is what she's talking about. She quote, I don't
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: want you to find the person who helped me escape,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you know, the one that held a gun to my head. Listen,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: we're not to applay where anybody's going to jail. Yet
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we're not to a point of any anything like that.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: We're just still at the talking stage. We're at the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: control stage. You seem scared sharing, Oh it's scared. What
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: is it? When you don't answer, Sherry? It makes me
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: concerned because I want to heal with sharanswer shot, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I want to deal with to understand at wit, to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: control things you're I don't want you to find her.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: We're not going to find her. She's the reason why
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: did you see my children in the day. I agree,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: but we're not going to find her. Okay. Suddenly several
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: things she goes. They say, Sherry, you seem scared. I
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: guess she is scared because she's looking at a cotton
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: three hots behind bars. I'd be scared too. I don't
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: want to go to jail. And then she says, um,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I don't. And then remember she's hysterical, and then suddenly
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: she's very calm, says, I don't want you to find her.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: She's playing them like a fiddle, a strati various fiddle.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Let me add that in. And then she drags her
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: children into it. The reason I don't want you to
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: find her the woman that stood by while I was
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: branded and beaten and my nose broken, I was starved.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't want her to go to jail because she's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the reason I get to see my children every day. Hey,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: let's hear sixty four one more time. Listen to the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: tonal quality and the dichotomy and her first answers versus
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Suddenly she gets calm an answer. Not to a point
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: where anybody's going to jail yet, or not to a
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: point of any anything like that. We're just still at
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the talking stage. We're at the control stage. You seem
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: scared of Sharon, scared, But when you don't answer Sherran,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: it makes me concerned because I want to hear a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: sharanswer shot and I want that old understanding to control things.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to find her. We're not going
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to her. She's the reason why that to see the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: children in the day. Gree We're not going to find her. Yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna find her because she's not real joining
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: me right now, a private investigator renowned throughout her area,
• 28:24
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• 28:28
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• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you questioned someone, and you just keep asking them questions
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: because you know they're lying. And did you see the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: tonal quality of her answers shift? At first she's saying
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'm stared, and then I meet and second up a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: lot of snout in tears. Then she goes very calmly.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to find her about twenty seconds later,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: but yeah, she you know, her body language tells us
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a lot, her voice inflections tell us a lot. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: another right, tell me what do you mean by that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: way she's she's so calm and collected. At some point
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: she's hysterical. At other points she doesn't look the police officers,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the detectives in the eye. Other thing getting back a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: little bit to the information she's giving. She thinks that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: she's in control. And she gives so much detail, so
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: much detail, that you'd think that they would be able to,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you know, cracks a case follow up, have have leads
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to go on. I've worked so many cases over the years,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: over thirty some years, I've never received this much detail
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: from any witness. But yet a little bit of information
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I have gotten has led somewhere in most cases. But
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: she gives, you know, volumes of very detailed information and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: it goes nowhere. You know, they yeah, you're right. And
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: what's amazing is they tell her straight up, we've got DNA,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we have your boyfriend, we've got your boyfriend's cousin who
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: will state. They're all stating you were there and you
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: lie to them, and she still is not giving it up. Okay, guys,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: listen to this. Now we see a little crack. Take
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a listen our cut sixty eight at the at the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: end of everything, once we've you had to have known
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that this was going to come at some point. What's up?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: What's talking you guys? Yeah? But then how did we
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: get to coast or egon coast Mason. There's a big
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: jump in a leap from talking to then to getting
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: in a car with some put they're getting him a
• 31:01
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• 32:12
  Speaker 1: how did we get to Coasta Egan? Coasta Mason? How
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: there's a big jump in a lead from talking to
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: then to getting in a car with somebody. Put they're
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: getting into a car with somebody because somebody you had
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: a relationship with. He told us about the abortion. Wait
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a minute, abortion? What abortion? Dave mac How did I miss? Abortion?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: What abortion? Get what? They don't go into detail on it, Nancy,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: But what they were trying to do is to push
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: her to letting her know they've talked to this guy,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: they've already gone over what he's told them, and they're
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: telling her that we know that you guys were so
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: close that he knows you had an abortion. That's what
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: they were trying to set up that you're acting like
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: this is women and that James rest is just kind
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of about here in the periphery. But we know who
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: he is to you, and we're telling you right off.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You guys are so close that he knows about your abortion. Okay, okay,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: now I get it. Now. Remember she's saying it's my
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: fault because I talked to guys. What is that supposed
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: to mean. I talked to guys. I talked to guys
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: every single day of the week. My husband talks to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: women every single day of the week. How is that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: supposed to get you in trouble? But here we hear
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: more of that. She's still sticking to her life. Don't
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: get me wrong, our cut sixty nine. My fault that
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: there's fucking to human more fault that I was flirting
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: with other men. It was such a stupid thing. Did
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: you my children with other men are lying to me today? Yes,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: a crime, big difference telling your story what happened to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you isn't a crime. And I know you're scared of
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: what Keith is going to say and do, what's gonna
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: happen with you and your family. Those are real concerns,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: but we also need to understand the truth. What about
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: her body language? Were you noticing Monique, Well, you know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: she looks down a lot, She's kind of curled up.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: She's not confident in what she's saying. She's giving so
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: many different detailed in so many stories that she can't
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: keep some of her stories straight, so they're conflicting, and
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you know that's a dead giveaway. And when she can't
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: remember something, she said she sleeps a lot. I mean
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: she said she slept when they picked her up. She
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: couldn't give some details about the direction the car may
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: have gone because she was sleeping. Yet she was just
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: supposedly abducted. You know. See another thing that this is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. Another part of her body language so I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: found striking was she was all she was closed. You know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you talk about opening clothes and who's approachable, and she
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: couldn't be more defensive and closed. It was almost like
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the way she curled herself into a ball and her
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: arm and her legs were crossed. There was everything about
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: her body language that just transmitted I am stuck on Quarner.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: She was like an animal in the quarter of a cage.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And that is one of the huge tells that really
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: was leading these detectives to agree that you know, they
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: had all the evidence they needed. This was a staging act.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: This was not something in any part of it that
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: was credible, right, I agree, I agree. I thought her
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: body language said a lot. What about the husband, Keith Peppini,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: who has stood by her from the get gotta take
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventy idiot husband had stayed
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: around the whole time. I feel like while world upside
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and again, why is that why I'm always getting held
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: out of it? Why can't use this? Hit me with it?
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But I did? Yeah, because this happened. You're saying you
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: can't tell me all that. It's still ongoing investiation, so
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to find out answer. I mean,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: there's that's the way. Can you help me? Didn't throw
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: me a bone and then go, I mean she made
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: it up? Is that where we're on right? Or are
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: she trying to come over the whole another We're not
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: gonna give an any digital details. Obviously you've heard questions,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: so you can read through some of those. And I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: understand you've seen some of the photos, so you know
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: some of the investing. Yeah, we did. Yeah, but you
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: can also notice your reaction compared to her reaction. So,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Dave Matt, where does it stand with her husband? Now?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Are they divorced and does she get to see the children? Well, yeah,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: she's going to prison in a couple of weeks, but
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: right now they are. I don't know the process. In California,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: he filed for divorce, Uh several months ago. He um
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: wants the children and everything and wants here totally out.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So as things sit now, he did walk away. You
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: heard him right there this cut and he walked into
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that last interview Nancy as the doating husband who believed
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: everything she said. And we're talking an hour and a
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: half later. He is gobsmacked. You know, he doesn't he
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: didn't know this was going to happen and boom. That's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: why he says, you know, my whole world has flipped
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: upside down again. And then he says, you know you
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: just heard he said, well, can you help me throw
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: me a bone? You know she made it up? Is
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that where we're going? Is she trying to come up
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: with a whole nother story? Now? I mean that's this
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: guy was rocked to his core. Well, he's going for
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: soul custody, and there's a very good chance he may
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: get it. Based on everything that's happened with Sherry Peppini,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the so called supermum, It's not the first time a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: perp has led law enforcement down the garden path. Take
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a listen to our cut forty seven does the name
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and Jesse Smilette ring a bell. This is Adriana d
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: As at CBS. They eventually reached this conclusion. N let
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: pay thirty five hundred dollars to stage this attack and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: draft Chicago's reputation through the mud in the process. Police
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: say Smolette paid brothers Abel and Ola Osandai wrote to
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: stage the attack because he was angry over his salary.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: The brothers told police Smolett paid them to conduct the attack. Smallett,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: who has maintained his innocence, was arrested and later charged
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: with sixteen felon accounts for line to police. Here's the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: guy that had so much to lose. He's a star
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: on hit series Empire, beloved by so many viewers. Got
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: it all, a high rise apartment, beautiful clothes, a great car,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a loving family. His extended family loved him so much,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: but he blew it all because he wanted more money
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and thought this would be a great pr stunt to
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: bring attention to himself, to have himself attacked. It didn't
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: turn out that way when Copps found out the truth.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Taking listen oar cut forty nine, Jesse Kirch Today, So
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Judge James Lynn's ency Smilett to thirty months felony probation,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: including that jail time, ordering he pay more than one
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand dollars in restitution to the City
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of Chicago and pay the maximum fine twenty five thousand dollars.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: You've turned your life upside down by your misconduct in Shenanigans.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: You've destroyed your life as you knew it. As a
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: defiant Smilett was taken into custody last night, his family
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: blasting the judge's decision. He's the reason why folks aren't
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: going to report hate crimes. They're the reason why folks
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: aren't going to report hate crimes. Well, Jesse, Smilett is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the reason that many people may not believe a real
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: hate crime victim when they emerge because of his lies.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So you see Smilett ordered to pay all this restitution
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: back to law enforcement. Well, he's not the first one.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Does anybody remember the name Jennifer will Banks, the real
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: life runaway broad. I'd take a listen our cut fifty two.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: He got off by al No. I don't even know
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: how long ago it was. They hadn't got me off
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: here away from here, back on the I mean I
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  Speaker 1: could so well, I don't know that. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where I am. Okay, and the person I did see
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  Speaker 1: was a woman. So again, where's dragging some pretend non
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  Speaker 1: existent hispanics into this um? Just like Peppini did? Same
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: thing with will Banks. Take a listen to Tom Reagan
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  Speaker 1: WSB in our cut fifty and it turns out that
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  Speaker 1: entire story was fabricated. Will Banks told investigators she didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize her disappearance had caused such a nationwide fure. This afternoon,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: she issued a statement that was read by an officer.
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  Speaker 1: I respect the fact that that the public deserves a statement,
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  Speaker 1: or she's requesting that she would like to speak to
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  Speaker 1: her family first. I appreciate the outpouring of prayers and
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  Speaker 1: concern and that she has recently become aware of and
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  Speaker 1: more from our friends at NBC. The court has determined
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer should make amends for all the griefs she's caused.
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  Speaker 1: She's been put on two years probation and we'll do
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty hours of some kind of community service.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty six thousand dollars worth of law enforcement resources were
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to her search over four days. She has paid
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  Speaker 1: the City of Duluth more than thirteen thousand dollars for
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: their share of overtime and extra expenses, and will pay
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  Speaker 1: twenty five hundred dollars more to the Sheriff's office. As
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  Speaker 1: far as Sherry Peppini goes, will a jury in the
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  Speaker 1: futures say, oh, I don't believe her. Remember what Sherry
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  Speaker 1: Peppini did? So Dave Mack Crime online dot com. What
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  Speaker 1: is a sentence for Cherry's Peppini and how much restitution
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  Speaker 1: is She's set to pay a sentence to eighteen months
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  Speaker 1: in jail in prison and restitution of three hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars. But the judge mentioned at sentencing who's
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  Speaker 1: going to hire her? You know, how is she going
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  Speaker 1: to pay this money back? I mean he put it
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  Speaker 1: out there that yeah, she's accountable, But I was going
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  Speaker 1: to ask you, how does that work out with a
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  Speaker 1: convict like Peppini. How is she going to get a
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  Speaker 1: job to pay back the money she got. She may
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  Speaker 1: get a job, so she'll never pay back the restitution,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure she'll be on to her next lie,
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  Speaker 1: probably still saying it never happened, that she was in
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  Speaker 1: fact kidnapped and tortured. Another chapter closed Nancy Grace crime story,
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  Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,