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Masyn Winn returns: How will Cardinals balance their middle infield logjam? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal territory, Katie and Bernie. Coming at you,
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Bernie from Saint Louis. I'm here in a random radio
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  Speaker 1: booth at Truest Park. We are recording this about an
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  Speaker 1: hour and a half before the first pitch between the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals and the Braves on Tuesday, April twenty second. Happy
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  Speaker 1: Earth Day recycled today matters. We only have one planet,
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  Speaker 1: Let's save it. If you are watching this before Tuesday's game,
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  Speaker 1: then you'll know that the Cardinals have lost five straight.
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  Speaker 1: They are one and ten on the road, and it
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  Speaker 1: just hasn't looked all that good lately. Maybe by the
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  Speaker 1: time you're watching this, they'll have one on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not. We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We can't predict the future, but we can tell you
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  Speaker 1: what we know pre game. Mason went is back off
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  Speaker 1: the injured list. Today was the first day he was
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  Speaker 1: eligible to return, and he is here in the lineup,
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  Speaker 1: batting ninth at shortstop. Michael Ciani optioned to triple a
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  Speaker 1: today as the corresponding move, A little surprising given how
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  Speaker 1: much the Cardinals have an adamant that he should be
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  Speaker 1: on the roster. Bernie, let me tell you this. Ting
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  Speaker 1: with members on the team and the staff. This was
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  Speaker 1: a decision that was not made lightly. They made it
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  Speaker 1: when they got to the park today around this afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: and there were a bunch of people in the mix
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  Speaker 1: on who this could be. Was it going to be
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  Speaker 1: Thomas to jac could they do a wild card and
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  Speaker 1: send Burlison down. They ultimately decided Siani, partly because they
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  Speaker 1: need depth reasons. Right, Mason's coming back from a back thing,
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  Speaker 1: so you don't you know, you want to be cautious,
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  Speaker 1: you want to protect yourself. Brendan Donovan, he's unavailable today.
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  Speaker 1: He was a scratch from the lineup, has some ribs soreness.
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  Speaker 1: Could be out maybe tomorrow. Definitely not something that's going
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  Speaker 1: to require the IL, but they need s JC up
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  Speaker 1: here just to cover their backs for death purposes. So
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  Speaker 1: Sianni went to Memphis. What are your thoughts about this decision?
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  Speaker 1: It was a little surprising.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm with you, I'm a surprise a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I just assumed they would take the path
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  Speaker 4: of least resistance. And you know, we all know that
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  Speaker 4: the Ali Marvels really big on defense, which which I appreciate.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have a strikeout staff starters or bullpen, so
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  Speaker 4: you need guys to make plays. I get it, But
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  Speaker 4: I do think that maybe a time they perhaps sacrifice
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  Speaker 4: a chance to have better offense by keeping a defensive specialist.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm pleasantly surprised that they're they're gonna, at least
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  Speaker 4: for a little while, stay with said Jac. Look, this
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  Speaker 4: offense is still still trying to get back to what
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  Speaker 4: it was early in the season, and there's been there's
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  Speaker 4: been a lot of bad games, were bad at bats,
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  Speaker 4: and they're losing. They're sort of losing their control of
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  Speaker 4: the strike zone, which they had a lot earlier in
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  Speaker 4: the season. And I think said Jac's a live bat,
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  Speaker 4: and I think you just ride that live bat until
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  Speaker 4: it's not so live anymore, and then maybe he needs
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  Speaker 4: to go to Memphis and kind of regroup.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see. It's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like this for su Jac because, as
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, he's hit well at a time where most
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  Speaker 1: of the team has not, and he's hit well against
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  Speaker 1: some really lethal arms, and I thought he did a
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  Speaker 1: fine job backing up shortstop. I know we talked at
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  Speaker 1: length about the Cardinals not having a backup shortstop. I
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  Speaker 1: think both Donovan and s JC did a serviceable job.
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  Speaker 1: I was glad to see them keep him because he
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  Speaker 1: can hit and he can play. He's a little raw, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's twenty two, twenty three years old and
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  Speaker 1: not a ton of experience in the major leagues. The
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  Speaker 1: game can sometimes speed up on him and be a
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  Speaker 1: little fast. We've seen some base running miscues. But what
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  Speaker 1: I like about s JC or Saggy if you will,
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  Speaker 1: that's his name, right, and hated it at first, Now
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  Speaker 1: I love it. So we're only referring to JC as
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  Speaker 1: Saggy on here going forward on Cardinal territory.
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  Speaker 3: But a good one. It's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: It's a baseball name for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: With SAGGI, he is so open to learning and I
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  Speaker 1: talked to him a lot in New York, specifically Saturday
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  Speaker 1: after he had a game where he was thrown out
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  Speaker 1: of the plate, not the sharpest base running game, and
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  Speaker 1: he is just taking it as much information as possible.
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  Speaker 1: He spent all of Monday's game, and I think Olie
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  Speaker 1: Marmel talks about this on your show, So I note
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  Speaker 1: every Tuesday Bernie and the Gang came ox to a
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  Speaker 1: show with Alie Marmle from twelve to twelve thirty.
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  Speaker 2: It's really worth your time.
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  Speaker 1: And so Jac is right next to Stevie Clapp the
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  Speaker 1: entire game, asking questions about different scenarios.
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  Speaker 2: What should I do here?
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  Speaker 1: You know what if this is, you know what's different
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  Speaker 1: about this scenario compared to the other. How can I
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  Speaker 1: get better? So I really like that they're going to
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  Speaker 1: keep to jac and give him a chance to play
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  Speaker 1: somewhat every day at the big league level. But on
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  Speaker 1: days where he's not playing every day, he still has
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity to learn and grow and develop.
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  Speaker 2: And isn't that the whole point of the season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. And I you know, my friend and
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  Speaker 3: Coylleague get Camo.
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  Speaker 4: It's Kevin Wheeler, who I really really love and respect.
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  Speaker 3: We've had a little bit of a disagreement.
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  Speaker 4: Not a heated Disagreement's just a baseball disagreement because he's
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  Speaker 4: in the camp that to Jay's got to play every day.
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  Speaker 4: And my whole thing is like, look, I you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know whatever happened to this is you know
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  Speaker 4: this idea that if you have a young player that
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  Speaker 4: brings something to the table and his energy is terrific
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  Speaker 4: and he's hungry, he wants to learn.
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  Speaker 3: He's a dirt player.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he'll do anything to win a game. And
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  Speaker 4: he's got a pretty good right handed bat, and so
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  Speaker 4: there's not a way to get him to like to
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  Speaker 4: basically get him in the lineup or in a meaningful.
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  Speaker 3: Role like three times a week. Like I think baseball
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  Speaker 3: in general is going too far with this.
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  Speaker 4: And you know me, I don't live in the past,
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  Speaker 4: trust me, but this whole idea that you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you have a young prospect, he's either got to play
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  Speaker 4: every day in the major leagues. It's no, he's got
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  Speaker 4: to go to the minors. Isn't there a middle ground?
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  Speaker 4: A guy like said jac he's going to be in
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  Speaker 4: the big leagues as you That was a great story,
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  Speaker 4: like him stubby clap and soak up everything he can,
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  Speaker 4: watching veterans and also being of use to the team.
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  Speaker 4: Why does he have to play five days a week?
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  Speaker 3: Can't he have value playing three days a week? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I so Wheeler and I were hashing that out on
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  Speaker 4: live radio.
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  Speaker 3: But it was good.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's I understand the whole need about uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, play it every day, but sometimes you just
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  Speaker 4: go too far.
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  Speaker 1: With that, what do you think I think, given what
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals are trying to do right now, there is
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  Speaker 1: no way they can guarantee playing time every single day
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  Speaker 1: to every single player on this roster, right And we'll
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  Speaker 1: get to that later in the show, because I think
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be really fascinating how Ollie marmal balances playing.
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  Speaker 2: Time going forward with the slew of middle infielders.
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  Speaker 1: But first, a Jac if he's gonna come up and
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna play semi rig He's not gonna start every
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  Speaker 1: single day, not on the lineup today, of course, but
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna have a chance to play, and like I said,
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  Speaker 1: he's also gonna have a chance to learn. I thought
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  Speaker 1: this story was really cool talking to him and Brendan
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  Speaker 1: Donovan after the four game sweep in New York, which
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  Speaker 1: is not great, but asking to Jac, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: how are you getting better? How are you evaluating yourself?
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  Speaker 1: And he says, after every game Brendan Donovan will go
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  Speaker 1: into the video room with Stubby Klapp Chad Blair Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: video guy, and watch over almost every player at bat
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  Speaker 1: that he was in and dissect it with those two.
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  Speaker 2: And Saggie was like that sounds really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to do that too, So now he
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  Speaker 1: tags along and both of them do the same and
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You can't get that in the minor leagues.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not accessible, but the level of
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  Speaker 1: play and the level of talent is so different from
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  Speaker 1: Triple A to the major leagues, and the technology is
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  Speaker 1: so much better. So you have a coaching staff and
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  Speaker 1: a video staff that is willing to do that, and
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  Speaker 1: you have a player like Donovan willing to set the tone.
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  Speaker 1: That's the kind of growth that to jac is gonna
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  Speaker 1: get off the field, and it's just as important Bernie.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, Uh, I'm learning stuff from you today
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  Speaker 4: and I appreciate that be.
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  Speaker 2: Working on the road. Have you've been watching my Instagram story?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, But I've got to go look at that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I have I missed that. I must be honest,
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  Speaker 3: I miss that.
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  Speaker 4: I'll go look, but no, see, you you make such
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  Speaker 4: a great point, Like you know, since Tony LaRussa retired,
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  Speaker 4: this is from what I can tell, and you know
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  Speaker 4: more than I do, obviously, I think this is the
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  Speaker 4: most proactive teaching forward. Uh, you know, get in there
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  Speaker 4: and Okay, who needs help?
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  Speaker 3: What can I do?
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  Speaker 4: And you know, you know where they they really service
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  Speaker 4: the development of the players, even in.
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  Speaker 3: The major leagues. So so where is it.
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  Speaker 4: Where's a Thomas A jac Or We could name some
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  Speaker 4: other guys if they ever get up here this year?
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  Speaker 4: Who knows where he can't get that experience at Triple
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  Speaker 4: A Memphis. And it's no, it's no disrespect to the
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  Speaker 4: people down there, but this is like, this is like
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  Speaker 4: getting a masterclass in baseball education. I mean, John Jay
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  Speaker 4: Daniel descalso Stubby Clap Are you kidding me? I mean
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  Speaker 4: these and these guys love to teach, they love to
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  Speaker 4: work with players. I mean, that's to me, it's a
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  Speaker 4: unique opportunity. So that makes me feel even more convinced that.
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  Speaker 3: They made the right decision to keep him up here.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what he talked about coming into the season.
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  Speaker 1: You have a staff that is so they they've come
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  Speaker 1: up in player development. You just named three guys, but
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  Speaker 1: Ali Marmo up there as well. There were times that
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  Speaker 1: John Mozilla thought that he wouldn't be a manager, but
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  Speaker 1: he'd be a farm director. So I understand there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of frustration with the coaching staff right now. They're
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately the ones that are gonna wear it, especially the
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  Speaker 1: manager when the team is not winning. But for what
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  Speaker 1: the staff is doing, for these teaching moments that are
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  Speaker 1: that have been said and advertised as the primary emphasis
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  Speaker 1: of how the season is going to go. I think
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  Speaker 1: this is the right staff in place, and I think
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  Speaker 1: they're doing a good job in the development side. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: though some wins need to come across this the board,
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  Speaker 1: especially on the road. It's getting a little crazy, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into that first.
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  Speaker 4: And Brett real quick, Brent, Brent Brown's a teacher too,
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  Speaker 4: just because just because the offense had a downturn. You know,
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  Speaker 4: everybody sat a Saint Louis sport is like always blamed
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  Speaker 4: the batting coach first, right, that's.
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  Speaker 2: A sport always won the coaches, bating coach, hitting coach.
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  Speaker 4: And just really quick, like when when Ali Marmon was
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  Speaker 4: on with us today, came o X and I asked him, so, well,
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  Speaker 4: what was you know what was behind this downturn offensively?
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  Speaker 4: Like your guys they were there at bats were so
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  Speaker 4: great early in the season. They were so disciplined, they
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  Speaker 4: were controlling the strike zone, they were working counts, and
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  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, you know, and he I
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  Speaker 4: give Ali credit first candor, he said, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we the thing we want them to do is is
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  Speaker 4: just to get on fastballs, you know, and be be selective.
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  Speaker 4: There's a fastball in the zone, get after it. And
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  Speaker 4: he said they stopped doing that. They sort of fell
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  Speaker 4: back into their bad habits. And Brent Brown's going to
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  Speaker 4: get that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I do wonder sometime, just as a fan, I am
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: frustrated watching Alec Burlison.
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  Speaker 3: The boy.
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  Speaker 4: When I say boy, it's a term of affection. I'm
• 10:09
  Speaker 4: not demeaning him. The boy just can't help himself. I mean,
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: he he just keeps helping pictures out by. It's it's
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  Speaker 4: bad enough that he swings its stuff off the plate.
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  Speaker 3: It's even worse that he connects with it.
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  Speaker 1: You know that we saw come out through the system,
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  Speaker 1: or that we saw last year. He has such great
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  Speaker 1: plate discipline, such good control of his zone.
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  Speaker 4: So you're exactly right, you know, when he when he
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  Speaker 4: connects with it. One stat boy thing here and then
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  Speaker 4: we'll move on.
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  Speaker 3: I know your time's alimited. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I was looking this up earlier today because I was
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  Speaker 4: curious and I sort of keep a running. I keep
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: track of Burlasson's let me call it strike zone management. Okay, so,
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  Speaker 4: first of all, he's had twenty two called strikes this
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  Speaker 4: year on pitches right down the middle, meatballs right to me,
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  Speaker 4: that seems like a lot.
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  Speaker 3: When they're telling him, look, man, attack strikes. He's taking
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  Speaker 3: twenty two down the The other thing.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing is when he connects with the strike
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  Speaker 4: and puts it in play.
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  Speaker 3: His hard hit rates like forty five percent.
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  Speaker 4: When he swings at a pitch out of the zone
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  Speaker 4: and puts the ball in play, his hard hit hard
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  Speaker 4: hit rate.
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  Speaker 3: Is seven and a half percent. I mean, what do
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  Speaker 3: you understand? Why?
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  Speaker 2: See from you, I'm gonna look into that one.
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  Speaker 3: It's true.
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  Speaker 4: And see that's one of my flaws as a human being.
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  Speaker 4: When I get these numbers in my mind, they drive
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  Speaker 4: me crazy.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's like like it's like I watch every Alec Burlison
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  Speaker 4: the bat and I'm like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm being a little dramatic, but you get
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  Speaker 3: my point.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I love to look at this stuff and
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  Speaker 4: learn things, and I can't understand him.
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  Speaker 3: I like him.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, Will Leach used to tease me all the time.
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  Speaker 4: He said, you're the only guy thinks Burlison's going to
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  Speaker 4: be a great hitter. I don't see it. And then
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: you know, when he was going great last year, will
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  Speaker 4: Leach was like, you know, I think you're right about him. No,
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  Speaker 4: unfortunately I wasn't. So he's sort of backing some of
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  Speaker 4: those bad habits. But I'm rooting for them. I'm rooting us.
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  Speaker 3: Big guys must stick together, right.
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• 12:08
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  Speaker 3: Sure, totally. Okay, that's all right, that's all right, you know,
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  Speaker 3: am I.
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  Speaker 4: You know it's it's five almost five thirty Saint Louis
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna think less of you, but
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  Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good. You're probably right, You're probably right.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not right about often. I also haven't eaten yet today.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just scrambling. What an insane road trip.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, We've only been on two, but each road trip
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  Speaker 1: has felt like eighty four years.
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  Speaker 2: They've been long trips.
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  Speaker 4: It's because the team's collapsing around you, and there's drama everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, so you know.
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  Speaker 2: We're sports writers, Bernie.
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  Speaker 1: I'm used to things happening quickly and you'd adjust and
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  Speaker 1: you don't get frazzled.
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  Speaker 2: Monday's game escalated very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: That was the first time in a long time where
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, everyone, just I need a second, everyone
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: take a break. And of course that that did not happen,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: very very crazy.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you this real quick?
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: And again, I'm really bad because you want to get
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: on with things, and I always interduct some others like what.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: It's obviously been a brutal time for the Cardinals.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: They've only won six of their last twenty games since
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: the Twins left Pusch Stadium.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: But how like, you know, guys will put on a
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: good front.
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've been in clubhouses, oh my gosh, so
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: many years, not not recently, but you know, are.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: They are their heads.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, are they still feeling the enthusiasm, Did
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: they have the energy and just kind of like this
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: hunger and let's go get it type attitude that we
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: saw from them earlier the year or has some of
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: that been tamped down by just being a little bit demoralized.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: It's definitely not as bad as it was in twenty
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: twenty three. Around this time in twenty twenty three, all
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: of us were, you know, we were three weeks into
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: the season and thinking, okay, it's a little early, but
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: we knew, we knew something was terribly wrong. Of course,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: the guys are disappointed, they're frustrated, they're quite frankly, they're pissed,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: but they're still playing good baseball for what this roster
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: allows for. And I think the fight that we see,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: and I know people are like, oh here comes like
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: the happiest fee body doesn't win ball games. You're right,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: But the fact that this team has enough resolve to
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: fight back after a team drops a five spot on
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: them in the eighth and make it a one run
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: game with a tine run on first, your best hitter
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: at the plate. They've had multiple games where they keep
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: trying to come back. That's different to me. So, yeah,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: guys are frustrated. No one likes to lose. No one
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: likes to lose five straight. They haven't won a game
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: on this road trip yet.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Sucks. But when you go in the clubhouse.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: There, it's not nearly as panicky or as frustrating as
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So I'm not going to say that
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone's happy yay, because they're not. They're not winning,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: But there's like a a calumn this year. We're like, Okay,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: we're gonna turn it around. We have the place, Mason's
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: back Careerras hopefully back relatively soon.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: It's not as bad, could be better. Some wins would
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: definitely help.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: No, I buy what you're saying totally, and that's not
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: really happy talk, because athletes who are highly competitive and
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: they can find that next gear and being competitive and
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: even when they're a little rattled by either the way
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: they're playing or the team playing, if they just dig
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: in and fight harder. It's a cliche and it's all
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: that stuff, but there's something to that. You were around
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: that twenty twenty three team. I've been around some teams
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: where you could just tell nobody not too many people
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: really gave a damn. I mean, yeah, they played, they
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: showed up for work, they were happy when they hit a.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Home run or whatever.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: But it's some of those teams Mike Mntidi had late
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: in his tenure here. Well you got fire Break before
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: the All Star break in twenty eighteen. I mean that
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: team just kind of mental. He had packed it in.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: They just it was just bad juju all over that place.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: I mean bad karma. Everything you had played, you know,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: you had play. Certain players wouldn't even talk to Metheni
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: or vice versa. So yeah, a team that sticks together
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: and you know, part of the new Rockney stuff. But fight,
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: fight fight, it actually does matter.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: It does so anyway, and.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: They're not They're not there yet.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: There there's doing a nice job of weathering in this
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: very frustrating portion of their early season. Another thing that
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: will need to be weathered is, let's get to the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: banner that I finally quite one up there. How will
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Allly marmal balance his playing time with his slew of
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: middle infielders we'll just name him Mason. When Brendan Donovan, Saggy,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Alec Grolison, Nolan Gorman, can you get all five in
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the lineup regularly. Here's what he told us today, pregame
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: going forward for at least next week.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Taking notes. I'm taking notes.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman's gonna get a run at every single every
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: day playing time. So we're gonna see Nolan Gorman in
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the lineup every single day, most likely a DH.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: He'll mix it at second every now and then too.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Mason went obviously is gonna play shortstop every day, and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: they'll manage his back accordingly.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Donovan's gonna be in there. We just don't really know
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: what position.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna see Sid JC mix in and Burlison's
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: gonna be on the bench. That's how he's gonna balance
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: playing time for right now. The reason for this is
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: they want to give Nolan Gorman a true run.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: He look he came up uh for the first week
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: of the season. He looks good.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: He didn't get a lot of playing time, he was
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: on the bench a lot, but in the limited playing
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: time that he had, Nolan Gorman looked like a solid hitter.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Then he gets pulls a hamstring minor injury, but comes
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: back and the offensive production is sharply declined. They think
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: it's because it's not he's not getting enough consistent playing time.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: So they're gonna make sure that he gets that. We're
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: gonna see a run of Nolan Gorman for the foreseeable future, Burlison,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: they'll be able to allay said, They'll be able to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: find a way to mix him in so he's not
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: solely on the bench. But for right now, the priority
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: is getting Mason every day and Gorman every day.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: I totally, I totally approve of that. Not that anybody
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: gives a damn what I think, but I approve of that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's out smart at you, well.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: No, you have me on this your show, So I'm
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: just trying not to bring down the quality. But anyway,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: now Gorman has to play every day. And and you're right,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: he was looking good and he got he got derailed
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: by that injury. He came back, he looked terrible. But
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I tell you what, what a great what a nice
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: game he had last night. Yeah, and he took good swings,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: and so you've got to play him. I know a
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: lot of fans are down on him. I get it,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I believe me.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: But and this isn't a make or break season, But
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: it's really close to finding out more about whether he's
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: someone you can count on and whether there will be
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have to have outstanding plate discipline. It just
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: can't be out of control, you know. So he's got
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: so much talent, and uh, there's not a lot of
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: power hitters in this entire organization either. That's the other thing,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: especially with all the right hand right especially with all
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: the right handed pitching.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Not that the cardinalscy but major league team. See.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, like seventy seventy two percent of the plate
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: appearances are taken against right handed pitchers. So where are
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: you going to get the power beat? I mean, that's
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: still a Cardinals deficiency. He's got that potential. He does
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: need to cut down on the swing and missing the strikeouts.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: But the only way that's going to happen is if
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: he's in every day and they can have these these
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: classroom sessions with him after games, like real hands on approach.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Right. No, I think that's.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Great, and I think Burlison kind of needs to move
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: to the back of the line so to speak.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: You know, we talked about it a little earlier.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Donovan's got to play, So Jac's got to play, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Jayce can use him at three different positions, so he'll
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: get some run.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: He'll get some run.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I think they'll be able to do it. It's nothing
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: about this roster or this team is perfect. And the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: way that the season is going to go. We're going
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to have a lot of plans that stick for one
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: week and then they're going to change course. This is
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: just the nature of the season we all signed up for.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But for this particular case where the Cardinals are right
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: now from a record perspective, offense perspective, and development perspective,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: playing Nolan Gorman every day is the right call at
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: something that they advertised they were going to do all winter.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: They didn't necessarily do it early on. Now is the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: time to do that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: A little bit more on Nolan Gorman awaits, but we
• 21:22
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• 21:31
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• 21:50
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• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Speaking of FanDuel Sports Network, Nolan Gorman is our fandel
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Sports Network player to watch starting on Tuesday. But by
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the time most of you see this, it'll be Wednesday
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and he'll be right in the midst of that getting
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that everyday run. He's the Cardinals three hole hitter today
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Tuesday because Brendan Donovan was that scratch like I mentioned,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: so they just swapped places. But I thought you were
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: spot on, Bernie with what you said about Nolan Gorman.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: We've got to get more contact out of this sky.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, swing and miss is always going to be
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a part of his game. And if you want a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: power bat, this is not the game of the nineteen
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: eighties and nineteen nineties anymore. If you want to power bat,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: strikeouts are going to come with it. Of your bats
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: being strikeouts.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Cannot come with it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: However, so we'll.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Talk to Ollie Marma before the game today and we said, hey,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: what do you need to see from Nolan Gorman? And
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: he said he has the types of swing that allows
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: for doubles, homers off the bat series and when you're
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: at Bush Stadium, when you're watching the game on TV,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the ball just sounds different.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: When Nolan Gorman has made contact because the ball sounds different.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: But he has to incorporate more contact into that swing.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: So that's what we're going to be looking at over
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the next week or so. When he gets this run
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of everyday starts. Can he got down the contact rate?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Can he'd be more selected with pitches in the zone?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, because he can slug it. We know this,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: he can swing it. It's just a matter of making
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: contact more consistently. That's what I'm looking for at least.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my friend, the baseball analyst, Joe she and shout
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: out to his newsletter. I've learned a lot from baseball.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: He's like drafted for his fantasy team. He's like drafted
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Nolan Gorman, like, you know, almost every year.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I think he might have given up on him this year.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: And the thing but is like.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Joe's always talking about, oh my gosh, what when when
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: he he connects with a sweet spot like his baroer rate,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: his sweet spot rate, it's like outrageously.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Good, you know.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: So so this backs up what you're saying about. You know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: there is a sound coming off his bat when he
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: makes he makes that sweet contact. There's there's really no
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: one on the team that has it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: To that level.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: So they got they just got a ride with him,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: just like John Mazilla said all the lastly, they just
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: have to do it. They can't have doubts. Same with
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Jordan Walker. Jordan Walker hasn't looked as great at the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: plate and you know he's sort of getting into some
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: technical stuff that got him sort of set them back
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: and they're but again they're correcting, you.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Know, on the fly. There's a lot of instruction going
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: to them. They got to let these guys go. They
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: just have to. You know, there's no.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Turning back, no, because exactly there's none. Because the last
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: thing the Saint Louis Cardinals need is them trading away
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: young guys because they're frustrated and then have them blossom elsewhere.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: We've all seen way too much of.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: That we have, and that's the whole again.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: The point of the season is to get these guys
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: run away without the looming threat or sense of them
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: getting sent down.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So T Nolan Gorman was never in consideration to be
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: optioned with the Mason Winn coming back because of that reason.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: If he was, I would have lit this organization up,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: promise you that, because it goes against everything that they said,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Now they're doing the right thing by giving Gorman and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Walker run with. And the thing is, these players are
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: supposed to slump. They are supposed to struggle, because that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: how the Cardinals are going to evaluate how to go
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: forward with their future, because they need to know how
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to get out of it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: So do you want.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Jordan Walker, Nolan Gorman slumping? Of course not.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: That's not good for the offensive production, that's not good
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: for winning ball games. But do you need them to
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: struggle so you can see how they adjust at the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: major league level and find ways to get out of it. Absolutely,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: because that's how you're going to develop or evaluate them
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: for their long term production, which is the whole point
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: of this transition season. And Cardinals fans, I get it,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: we have not done this before. It's very frustrating. But
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: there are going to be times where.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: The Cardinals lose winnable ball games.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Because they need different key players that they hope to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: be part of the future to take steps forward. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that's what we're going to see from Gorman and Walker
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: right now as they work through their slumps.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: No, totally, and this is a related observation. Like the
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Cardinals with all their mixed messaging along the way.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: You know, the one thing that they I think they've
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: remained true to and again Goland, excuse me, Gorman got hurt,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: so that's why he sort of he just sort of
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: got went sideways. But but they they have remained faithful
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: to that premise so far.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's about it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: And I and I really do understand why fans will
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: get frustrated watching those guys. As much as I pulled
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: for them, and I do pull for them, I love
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: to see talent shine.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't. I don't root for failure.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I don't have a problem writing and talking about failure,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: but I don't root for it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Now, get along exactly.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: You know, I got in this business to cover greatness,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: and I've been very blessed to cover a lot of greatness.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: You know, when John Mozilak in the mixed messaging part
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: of this, he he talked a lot about, oh, we
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: could be a surprising team. Oh we're going to be
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: better than people expect. Well, we think we're going to
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: be exciting.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Well we think.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Dropping hints almost that they're going to contend. And okay,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: but if you think you all these things.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: You can do all these things. Why why didn't you
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: give your manager a bullpen this year?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Oh that's so good. I already know what we're talking
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: about next episode?
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah what why don't you know? Why don't you get
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: first of all the Oli haters will blame him in
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: for everything.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Right, but he's in this predicament now.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I think when you know he looks around, who do
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: you trust down there?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I mean you trust Hell's lead. I think you trust
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Kyle Lahy And this will be the next episode. So
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I'm so I'm teasing forward.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Uh, I think you're you know, I think you trust
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Philled Mayton to an extent.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can tell me to back up. But
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: he had not unlocked about her, not allowed to run
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: up until Monday. Actually, you guys do love this pretty quick? Yeah?
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Sure, I love it.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Good Monday, Monday.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Afternoon, the three beat writers on the trip or myself, Derrek,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Oul Johndon, and then we walk into all his office
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and we're just you know, catching up.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And the three things we.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Said were that hadn't happened yet were like, till Mayton
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: has not walked about her, Till Mayton has not allowed
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: an earn run and Allie had done a really nice
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: job with umpires. And on Monday, Jill Mayton walks a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: guy here, Alabner and run and Ali got tossed.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So maybe it's us. Maybe we should just not say
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: anything anymore.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: This bullpen.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with it now because because Fernandez went sideways
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: and Jojo Romero. If Katie this applies to you too,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: you're my friend. I don't want any other member of
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: the Saint Louis sports media, the baseball media, to talk
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: about Jojo Romero being a shutdown lefty. He's not okay,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: he's not remotely close to that. Right handed hitters destroy him.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: He's still good against lefties. But with this, you know
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the new rule where oh, you come into a game,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: you got to pitch the three batters.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Let the other managers know this.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: They also know the Cardinals don't have much down there
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: in terms of quality left handed relief.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: As soon as they send her right handed batter up.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's he's you know, it's like hunting season,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: and it's like he's awful. He's a nice guy. He
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to be awful. But and and there were
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: signs of deterioration. Last year, and this is what I'm
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: talking about. You know, if John mos Like wants to
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: tease the fans and incites them, oh we have we
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  Speaker 4: think we could be pretty good. You know, give your
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  Speaker 4: manager a bullpen to work with. Because when Fernandez went sideways,
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  Speaker 4: that changed a lot. You know, not having Kittridge changed
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  Speaker 4: a lot. Romero fading badly has changed a lot. But
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  Speaker 4: did they have a backup plan? Do they have options?
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  Speaker 1: Not?
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Study you can say that across the board for the
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  Speaker 1: entire roster, right right, I mean, just fall with the
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  Speaker 1: bullpen and for subscribers, commenters, viewers, drop me your questions
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  Speaker 1: or drop us your questions in the comments about the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: bullpen and bullpen usage. Uh, specifically, if the next two
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  Speaker 1: games do not go well, I have a phone to
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  Speaker 1: be talking about it a lot, because Bernie here at
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: your spot on with everything you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: I threw something at Ali on Cambo. Actually day I said, listen,
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  Speaker 4: I understand the six man rotation thing, and I understand
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  Speaker 4: it's going to come and it's going to go, and
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  Speaker 4: it's going to come and it's going to go.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, you don't have enough left handed. You
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: don't have a good left handed reliever down there.
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  Speaker 4: All due respect to everybody else, Libertor has got to
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  Speaker 4: stay in the rotation.
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  Speaker 3: He deserves it, He's earned it. He's an exciting talent.
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  Speaker 4: And with all due respect of Michael McGreevy, had this
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  Speaker 4: discussion with a fan. If you gave the other twenty
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  Speaker 4: nine general managers and said, okay, who do you think
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  Speaker 4: has more upside? Liberator Michael McGreevy, all twenty nine would
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  Speaker 4: say Liberator, yep, this is his time to be in
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  Speaker 4: the rotation. But what I said to Ali said, why
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  Speaker 4: can't you put Matt's in the bullpen and just when
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  Speaker 4: you need that spot start, then that six man setup
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  Speaker 4: you call McGreevy up to make that he doesn't have
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  Speaker 4: to stay.
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  Speaker 2: So part of the show, I was snapping in the
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  Speaker 2: car on my drive at the stadium.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, you heard that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And he said he said, we're uh what did
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  Speaker 4: he say, We're we're kicking that around or we're you know,
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  Speaker 4: I forgot what he said.
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  Speaker 3: Now I can't remember, but he was basically.
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  Speaker 2: Along the lines that they talked about it.
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  Speaker 3: They talked about it.
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  Speaker 4: So there, you know, they're putting a liber tour back
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  Speaker 4: in the bullpen is not a solution. Putting mats in
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: the bullpen, in fact, is a solution. Again, I'm not
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: coldhearted about this, but he's going to be a free agent.
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  Speaker 3: He won't be a Cardinal next year. You got to
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: invest in something that's going to last if you can.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Well, Bernie, I think you wrapped us as best as
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I could because I think that you're spot on there,
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  Speaker 1: and I mentioned to see if the bullpen continues to struggle,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: we might see some shuffling leading up into the off
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  Speaker 1: day on Thursday. I'm going to really evaluate this because
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: against the Brewers, especially the series after this, assuming we
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: all survive Atlanta, Okay, Monday did our best to wipe
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: us out. I'm really intrigued to see what this bullpen
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: looks like. And I think you made some fantastic points there.
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  Speaker 1: I got a run, Bernie because I'm looking up and
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  Speaker 1: think they're getting ready for the anthem.
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  Speaker 2: So Cardinals fans stay with us.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have an acting, hopefully a better one after the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: end of the Brave series. And then we got a
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  Speaker 1: three quick three game homestand against the Brewers for from
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: NL Central action.
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: What do you what?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 4: You lose credibility if you're not there at the start
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  Speaker 4: of the national anthem.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, I just have nothing. I have nothing, pept
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  Speaker 1: because here's the background for you viewers. Clubhouse times if
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you're the visiting team, everything is pushed back an hour
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to ninety minutes later. So instead of getting at the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: ball at seven fifteen, so at a home game, I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: would have gotten the ballpark right around three o'clock. Clubhouse
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  Speaker 1: opened at four o'clock, though, so I lost an hour
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  Speaker 1: of prep time And my athletic editor is not going
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: be very happy with me because I said i'd have
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the story and already and I haven't so.
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  Speaker 3: I as a loyal Athletic subscriber.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, I kept my subscription when I was working
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  Speaker 4: for the Athletic. Ya you know, seriously, I did that.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: But anyway, I love the Athletic. I love your work.
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  Speaker 4: There's so many great writers. Jeremy Ruttherford's unbelievable. But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: in all sincerity, I look forward to your story.
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  Speaker 3: I know you're you're probably gonna.
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  Speaker 4: Be writing and writing about the roster machinations, the decisions today.
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  Speaker 3: I hopefully they'll pop it up there late at night.
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  Speaker 3: I can read it. Like you know, before.
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  Speaker 4: I'd lay my big fat, my big fat.
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  Speaker 3: Head on the pillow and go to sleep. So that so.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, although I might turn into based on where we
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: are right now it's six forty Eastern time, I might
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: turn it into a roster value bation slash gamer.
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  Speaker 2: So if Nolan Gorman has a good game, that's a
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: great day for me.
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  Speaker 4: There you go, Gorman, help help the woman out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah please?
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  Speaker 1: All right, for Bernie, I'm Katie. Thanks for watching Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be back with you in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the week. Have a good one.