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Ep. 117: The Bronzeback and the Bat · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless,
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  Speaker 1: severely bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You can't predict anything, dirt myth. It's been so long
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  Speaker 1: since you've joined us, Do you still uh? You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna ask about? Right, there's two or three
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  Speaker 1: things I think you will ask. Well. Yeah, I got
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  Speaker 1: a handful of things I want to ask you about,
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  Speaker 1: but mainly that that you you still you still chew man.
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  Speaker 1: You're still chewing man. Yeah, but half I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I've cut it half in consumption. You know, we get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of emails. I don't I think I got.
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  Speaker 1: We get somebody I don't even afford them to you anymore.
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  Speaker 1: People concerned about your health, people concerned about your true habit.
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  Speaker 1: It's a relatable issue, you know, I feel like but
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  Speaker 1: it is helpful. You like knowing that people are pulling
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  Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, because maybe it's a self esteem problem.
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  Speaker 1: Sure there's some like deep, deep seated psychological issue maybe
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  Speaker 1: or something. Or it was a it was a camaraderie
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  Speaker 1: thing with a lot of my mentors in the past.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, because you're brought up in the ranching industry.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't want to. I don't want to pass
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  Speaker 1: blame of course. Yeah, uh Dirt has a coming of
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  Speaker 1: age story about his coming of age stories when he
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  Speaker 1: bought his first tin my first kid, his first good
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  Speaker 1: tin and didn't have to borrow it from ranch hands.
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  Speaker 1: Still chewing, but it's still conscious of trying to quit.
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  Speaker 1: I was, you know, I don't. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: keep hammering at you, but I was gonna ask how
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  Speaker 1: about your love life? Are your trucks running? But um?
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  Speaker 1: Both but not a sperrit and move move on. Gary
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  Speaker 1: did tell me that we were traveling together and it
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  Speaker 1: was about ten a m. And we were walking through
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  Speaker 1: Salt Lake Airport and he's like, man, I haven't had
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  Speaker 1: any jew or coffee. He's really proud of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I asked, you need to pat me on the back
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  Speaker 1: for it. It was hesitant, but baby steps. Why why
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  Speaker 1: are you down on coffee? Well, just like any any
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  Speaker 1: uh anything that you can pull away from that as
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  Speaker 1: a necessity day to day. You know it's nice. I
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  Speaker 1: guess any addiction my woman? Um quit uh coffee and
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  Speaker 1: alcohol for a while, right for a while. Now I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking about getting back into drinking. You always hear people.
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  Speaker 1: You always hear people trying to quit drinking. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to start back up again. Baby steps on that too,
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  Speaker 1: because a little sip here or there. I'm desperately trying
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  Speaker 1: to get back into it. I loved it. At one
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  Speaker 1: point you said you didn't give up on drinking. Drinking
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  Speaker 1: gave up on I want to try to reapproach it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you'll relate to this dirt. It's like if
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  Speaker 1: you could have a break up with a girl, right
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  Speaker 1: and you reassess them, want to come back and fix
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  Speaker 1: what was wrong. So I want to reapproach the alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna like come back to alcohol and be like, listen,
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  Speaker 1: we both know that we had our differences, but we
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  Speaker 1: had amazing times too. No, Uh, Mark Kenyon is here. Mark.
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  Speaker 1: On a scale of one to uh, what do you like?
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  Speaker 1: You like a five ten or one hundred because you
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  Speaker 1: want to have a lot of room to really like
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  Speaker 1: nuanced an Yeah, on a scale of one one to
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  Speaker 1: one hundred. How excited are you about the UM Live
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  Speaker 1: podcast event that we're doing in Columbus, Ohio and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're that excited, very excited. Yeah, it should be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I hear that you're gonna let
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  Speaker 1: me do Yeah. Well, yeah, because now people know I
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  Speaker 1: think that there's no tickets left. I mean there are some,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that by the time this airs, there
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  Speaker 1: might be no tickets left. But you know, we're just
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  Speaker 1: rubbing it in by talking about it. No, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: using this to inspire people in some of the other
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  Speaker 1: get some tickets. And we're it's close to selling out
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  Speaker 1: all the rest too right getting there. It's close. It
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  Speaker 1: might be too late. But you go to me eater
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  Speaker 1: you think it's not in my head? Because you got
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  Speaker 1: dot live. And it's the I think we'll probably adding
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  Speaker 1: more dates. We started out with four dates. Um Temper Arizona, Denver, Colorado, Columbus, Ohio, Minneapolis, Minnesota. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we might add more and they're sold out. Who can
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  Speaker 1: we can? You say? Who All is going to be
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  Speaker 1: there in Ohio with me? And you well, you know
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  Speaker 1: we kind of gott to finalize with him. But I
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  Speaker 1: have I have extended invitation to the world's greatest small
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  Speaker 1: game hunter, Mr Murphy, Yeah, not to be confused at
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  Speaker 1: our guest guy Zach who's the world's greatest turkey hunter.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make you uncomfortable? I bet it does. Introduction
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  Speaker 1: of setting him up for failure. We rewind by telling
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  Speaker 1: them that. Um, and then another thing. Uh, Mark, Mark
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  Speaker 1: and I are working together now we are. It's like
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  Speaker 1: when you get when you become a couple and you
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  Speaker 1: start telling people is this official? Then this is official?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Mark's working with us at me or now,
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  Speaker 1: So you're gonna be You're gonna be here and seeing
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  Speaker 1: all all manner Mark Kenyon and you saw me put
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  Speaker 1: you in the hot seat the other the last time
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  Speaker 1: you were on you really did too. That was like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: kept coming. We were already going out pretty steady, but
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  Speaker 1: but I was hitting you hard to see feeling it out.
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  Speaker 1: Can can this really work? I guess I passed the test,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm excited about I think. I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: long term relationship. I'm not ready to talk marriage, but
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  Speaker 1: this is good. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna move in together,
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  Speaker 1: though let's not tell our wives. And then um, of
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  Speaker 1: course your honestly tell us is here. Good evening? And
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  Speaker 1: then uh poot mcgoot otherwise known as Chef Andrew Rajilowski
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  Speaker 1: world class, world class. Yeah. So over the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days, Andy uh poop fixed up for us, walk
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  Speaker 1: us through poot the menu. What we've been been eating.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see we had what do we have? Well? Tonight
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  Speaker 1: we had some grilled octopus um that came from the
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  Speaker 1: cabin up the fish ak, along with some halibit that
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  Speaker 1: was also caught this summer at shack U. We had
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  Speaker 1: some turkey fresh turkey breast that was pretty good to
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  Speaker 1: the turkey pokata that was Leavin Eagles turkey. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's a little he's a little sour about it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's sour that his turkey is the one
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  Speaker 1: that everybody ate. Really, how do you know? Well, I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you how I know because I not an hour ago. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We had to um those soft sided yetti bags, the
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  Speaker 1: Yettie hoppers. I brought one and Yanni brought one size
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  Speaker 1: forties and we had some friends down for their first
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  Speaker 1: ever turkey hunt and they each got a turkey and
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  Speaker 1: we're bringing them back home to l A. So who's
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  Speaker 1: bag did they take my bag? Yeah? So here. No,
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  Speaker 1: Janis has a bag and I say to you honest
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  Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, do you mind carrying my turkey
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  Speaker 1: home in your bag? And I'll just get it from
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  Speaker 1: you later. And he's like, well, you might as well
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  Speaker 1: take it because my turkey's all gone. It was a
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  Speaker 1: little it was a little passive aggressive. Hey, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was fishing for Like, oh, well, bro, since we
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  Speaker 1: are both the ear breasts, you know, I'll give you
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  Speaker 1: one of mine. Is that what you were fishing for? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would give you some of mine, but I'm the
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  Speaker 1: only one that if that's what the done deal. No,
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  Speaker 1: I was more than happy to share mine. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have to do that. No, I'll go Hans, he's with you.
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  Speaker 1: I just figured since you had the ball with me,
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  Speaker 1: you're taking home of our you know, stashed together, stashed
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  Speaker 1: that you would take it home mostly yours. I'm with you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you know northing? You know, guy, I have you here?
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  Speaker 1: How many years did you live in Missouri? Forty seven
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  Speaker 1: and a half, so you're you're checked out. I'm Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: Because I want to do a quick correction or clarificate.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a correction, it's a clarification. We were talking
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  Speaker 1: about we we were down in We hunted in Missouri
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  Speaker 1: for Turkey's in spring and recorded a showdown there in
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  Speaker 1: which we were discussing, um, how someone jumped up some
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  Speaker 1: quail while we were hunting turkey and they were surprised
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  Speaker 1: they had jumped up some quail and he got into
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  Speaker 1: hey what. Um. We kind of kicked around, like why
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  Speaker 1: are what happened? All the quail used to live in
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  Speaker 1: the Ozarks and a guy wrote in with a one
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  Speaker 1: two three. He wrote in with a three point four
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  Speaker 1: point thing explaining why there's no quail in the Ozarks.
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  Speaker 1: The guy that wrote in to explain this is a
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  Speaker 1: is a feller that I've known through. He's like an
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  Speaker 1: email friend, Clay Newcomb, and he publishes a magazine called
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  Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine. I didn't hear this from him. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know who that is? I'm part of the name
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  Speaker 1: yesterday los Feski, one of the four. I'm gonna give
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  Speaker 1: them all good calls, so I know now that you're
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  Speaker 1: checked out on this subject. I heard that this guy
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  Speaker 1: takes a mule, rides a mule up into the mountains
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  Speaker 1: and the Ozarks true story and spotting stalks, Black bearris
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  Speaker 1: with a mule. That's not something you here every day.
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  Speaker 1: Not something here every day? Can you understand that to
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  Speaker 1: be true? I grew up on mules too. It's trading
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  Speaker 1: posts and stuff in Missouri. This eels are pretty popular.
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  Speaker 1: Himpecones off of and okay, yeah. Now, he goes on
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  Speaker 1: to say, here's what's uh. He says that there was
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  Speaker 1: not a good answer given to why they aren't quail
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  Speaker 1: on the ozarks anymore. Fescue this is him fescue and
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  Speaker 1: bermuda grass now dominate the landscape because of the rise
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  Speaker 1: of cow calf cattle operations. Are a man you agree
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  Speaker 1: with that this part of the country now supplies a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the Midwest feed lots with steers, and the
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  Speaker 1: non native grasses are better for cattle. Before cattle was
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  Speaker 1: big agriculture, native clump grass provided better habitat for quail.
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  Speaker 1: Goes on to say Part two, there's not as many
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  Speaker 1: subsistence type farms anymore. From the turn of the century
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  Speaker 1: into the nineteen eighties, there were lots of small farms
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  Speaker 1: that just provided great habitat. We used to have a
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  Speaker 1: lot more edge habitat. Our our quail populations began to
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  Speaker 1: suffer in the early nineteen eighties and have never recovered.
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  Speaker 1: Here's an interesting one. You like that one. I totally
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  Speaker 1: agree with that. And part of the small farming that
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about is people spent their time taking care
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  Speaker 1: of their farms and their families. They didn't spend it
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  Speaker 1: trying to brush hog every weed and stick that made
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  Speaker 1: their field look like it was overgrown. Now we're we're
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  Speaker 1: a fence defense farming community and a fence defense cattle
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  Speaker 1: grazing community, and there's nothing left for a quail. Earlier,
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  Speaker 1: did you hear me mentioned the name Kevin Murphy as
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  Speaker 1: the world's greatest small game hunter? You know, very avid. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He runs squirrel hounds and he runs beagles. He's like hunt.
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  Speaker 1: He used to like to hunt quail, and but where
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  Speaker 1: he lives in Kentucky, quail are gone to um. I
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  Speaker 1: bring that name up because he liked He prefers to
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  Speaker 1: hunt cotton tales on Amish farms and has a large
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  Speaker 1: network of Amish acquaintances and friends. And he hunts because
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  Speaker 1: they still he says, he describes as they still farm
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  Speaker 1: dirty horse. And you know, so there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like when when crops are picked there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff still on the ground. They leave big wind rows,
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  Speaker 1: they leave brush strips, and he said that's where all
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  Speaker 1: the game lives. And he says they he's generalizing, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but he says they also tend to be hell on predators.
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  Speaker 1: Which uh point three, matt, old tea post, I need
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  Speaker 1: to read this one. Oh okay, Yeah, sence fence defence,
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  Speaker 1: so that the advent of the metal tea post cleaned
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  Speaker 1: up with her. Besides and her, modern brush hoogs have
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  Speaker 1: replaced old fences that primarily grew up into brush heads.
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  Speaker 1: So half of the keeping capacity of these fences was
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  Speaker 1: barbed ware strung between trees and the rest was native brush.
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  Speaker 1: This produced great edge habitat that quail thrive on. Man's
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  Speaker 1: so he's a correct Then he goes down to cat
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  Speaker 1: recap as I understand the dominance of non native grasses.
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  Speaker 1: Metal tea posts and modern machine mowing machines have been
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  Speaker 1: the demise of quail. My grandfather, lew And Newcomb, was
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  Speaker 1: a regionally known bird dog trainer in the w Cheetah Mountains.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right in the Wacheetah Mountains of Arkansas? Part
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  Speaker 1: of my passion for wildlife conservation was fueled by watching
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  Speaker 1: him grown for the days of good coil hunting during
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  Speaker 1: the last twenty five years of his life, at which
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  Speaker 1: point there just weren't quail. He died in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and fourteen at the age of ninety four, and talked
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  Speaker 1: about bird dogs until the day he died. Unfortunately, the
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  Speaker 1: quail died a long time before he did. My grandfather
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  Speaker 1: and my dad used to hunt them. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: all they did. My dad tried to get leave from
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  Speaker 1: Vietnam to come back just to not to spend Christmas
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  Speaker 1: or Thanksgiving with anybody to quail hunt because they had
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  Speaker 1: such a high population of quail in the late sixties
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  Speaker 1: and early seventies. So how did that request go over?
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  Speaker 1: He made it. Yeah, I got pictures of him and
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  Speaker 1: my grandpa hunting quail and it I mean, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: in the early eighties, we had really, really bad winners
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  Speaker 1: back to back. We had a a sleet storm that
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  Speaker 1: it rained on top of We got about four to
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  Speaker 1: six inches of sleep, and then it rained on top
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  Speaker 1: of that and we didn't we didn't go to school
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  Speaker 1: for twenty eight days. It froze and got down below
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  Speaker 1: zero and we were finding wold cove. He's a quail
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  Speaker 1: froze together, but the button a circle. They roosts dead
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  Speaker 1: like that, froze together and it it never come back
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  Speaker 1: after that. And that was about the time Fescu and
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  Speaker 1: bermunigraph started, and about the time the big machinery started,
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  Speaker 1: about the time cell phone and electronics started. It all
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  Speaker 1: tied together to It was a perfect storm for the
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  Speaker 1: for the quail population. You might not know this about Dirt.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that he wants bagged to quail that
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  Speaker 1: night with a walk and stick in Mexico catlike reflexes.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a night bird, but later he
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  Speaker 1: killed the last one. There was plenty. We were doing
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  Speaker 1: like a like a late night death march in the
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  Speaker 1: dart and um he sees it and later was trying
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  Speaker 1: to tell us someone with the story. I think I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember who was over hearing him tell the story.
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  Speaker 1: And he gets to the part where he has a
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  Speaker 1: name what the bird was, and rather than saying did no,
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  Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, it was a night bird. It was
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  Speaker 1: really tasted. That's my first quil ever, right. Actually, you
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  Speaker 1: stepped me through the process. You cooked it. It was delicious.
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  Speaker 1: You bring up a great point with Texas and Mexico
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  Speaker 1: no fescue. You know, especially South Texas and West Texas,
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  Speaker 1: quail populations are through the roof, through the roof. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think about when we went down and hunted. Oh yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: what was it called the eagle with Bell Bryant Eagle
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  Speaker 1: pass Texas? So was it in uh? Guy, was it
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  Speaker 1: in Missouri that you were brought up? That you were
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  Speaker 1: raised up with the turkey? Yeah? Can you talk about that? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I was seven or eight. My dad got a bronze
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  Speaker 1: back turkey that we raised and and he was my buddy.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, first year he was all right. And then
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  Speaker 1: we hit that first first spring and he turned in too,
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  Speaker 1: not being my buddy anymore because he was becoming into
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  Speaker 1: his own, coming into his own and it's a euphemism. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And before that first spring was over, you couldn't walk
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  Speaker 1: from the house to the car without him attacking you.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, he wouldn't be mean throughout the year, but
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  Speaker 1: when springtime would come around, he would. And my mom
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  Speaker 1: she would carry a whiffleball bat and uh, if you
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  Speaker 1: misplaced your whiffleball bat, you got the end of that
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  Speaker 1: whiffleball bat. But she would keep it by the door,
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  Speaker 1: and in order for her to get to the car
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  Speaker 1: in the morning and the springtime, she'd have to beat
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  Speaker 1: that turkey back away from her just to get through.
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  Speaker 1: She even put up with that. And why didn't she
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  Speaker 1: just say, you know what, I've had enough and just
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  Speaker 1: get rid of him. I think she thought, in my
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  Speaker 1: past life I was a turkey, and uh, she knew
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  Speaker 1: how much I love that thing. Okay, Yeah, because when
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  Speaker 1: we had pet raccoons, my mom hated our raccoons, but
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  Speaker 1: she let you keep and they'd come into the house
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  Speaker 1: and she'd get a landing net and landing at him
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  Speaker 1: and bring him back out of the house or carry
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  Speaker 1: him out of the house by the tail and old
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  Speaker 1: door and to throw him out in the yard. And
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  Speaker 1: they would like wait by the door, so they knew
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  Speaker 1: how to get in and wait by the door and
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  Speaker 1: fight their way in when the door cracked. Nice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but she never sort of looked. She's never liked threaten.
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  Speaker 1: Love of a mother. Um, and you learned how you
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  Speaker 1: started learning how to communicate with the turkey. Ye, my
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  Speaker 1: dad got a few. We got a few bronze back hands.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that with a bronze back hen. It's just a
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  Speaker 1: domesticated turkey. It's like a white turkey, but it has coloring,
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  Speaker 1: so it wasn't a wild turkey. No, there's a bronze back,
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  Speaker 1: Spanish black royal palm, and then a regular white domestic turkey,
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  Speaker 1: all different subspecies. But and and talk about learning how
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  Speaker 1: to communicate with the turkey, Well, we had a hen
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  Speaker 1: named Henrietta. I mean we were real original on the names.
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  Speaker 1: Tom was Tom and hen was Henrietta. But she stayed
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  Speaker 1: pretty docile. She's getting your laps. But that's how I
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  Speaker 1: learned to call was by mimicking her. And where did
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  Speaker 1: she have a vocabulary? That? Uh is similar to wild turkeys? Yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and she would leave. She would leave the yard and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: go up in the woods and raid with the wild
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: ones and come back. I need some girls like that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And she she would have eggs every year, but if
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you never did, never would raise them. But yeah, we
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: had her, so she would. She would lay down a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: brood air is it a brood one, it's an egg
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a nest. She'd lay down a nest, but wouldn't it
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't set them. She would set them, but they just
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: never hatched for whatever reason that she was like leaving
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: them too long once cold or something. I guess, So
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I just I have no idea. But we never could
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: get even one year. My dad got him on and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: put him in an incubator and it still didn't work.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: So that's interesting. We said a cat that would eat
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: it's young. A cat was named Maud. That's mess stuff.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: They would we're one time it laid a whole litter
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: kittens and my dad's shoe and ate them all. That's terrifying. Yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know any girls like that. That's a painful story.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Any cat cat lovers out there as something different? Oh yeah,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: we ran into a who's there, oh, Pooter, We ran
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: into a feral house cat today we're calling it him
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: with a turkey call. Yeah. It was curious too. It
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna kill litening whatever it is. It
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: got close and spooked. So um back to this, So
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: so Henriette and Tom. Henrietta would go up and breathe
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and not do it. And but I want to get
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to the part about how like in your mind, what
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: was it that you wanted, Like why did you want
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to start talking to this turkey? Just turkey hunting? And
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: so it was based on turkey hunh. Yeah, he enveloped
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: my my soul. How old are you at the time
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you enveloped your soul? My first one when I was six,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and it was from there on. You got a turkey
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in your six And my dad took me out and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: got a turkey in and we went onto this place
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: called High Ridge, and I look back now, the only
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: thing Dad wanted to do was go to sleep. You know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he'd been out turkey hunting for himself, and this little
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: kids aggravating the snot out of him to take him
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: turkey hunting. And he know, he gets in at nine
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: or ten o'clock and says, yeah, let's we'll go. I'll
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: take you. So I had a little twenty gauge, my
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: grandpa's twenty gauge, and you give me one shell and
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: uh he sent me off about twenty feet so I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: wouldn't aggravate him while he went to sleep. And uh,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I know this because I've done this guiding over the years.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: He turned your back to the hunter and call a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: couple of times and sleep for ten minutes and then
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you wake up. And but we hadn't been there thirty
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: minutes and he called and I heard a turkey gobble,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and I tried to get his attention, and I couldn't
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: get him. A throw rock at him, through a stick
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: at him, and that's how I know he was asleep.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: The next time the turkey gobble, he was a lot closer.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Got the gun up and walk right up there, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I shot. When I shot, he yelled out loud and scared,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: scared the snot out of him, But I got it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It's a little jake had a beard about four inches long.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I've ever got another one
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that I was so proud of other than than that one.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And so then you thought, like, I'm gonna learn how
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to call these things in good. Yeah, and you had
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: this turkey in your barnyard. You could begin to mimic
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and he would answer and come to you. Oh you
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: could call him in. Oh yeah, you could call him in.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: He would, I mean, he would respond and come in.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But so you're playing like you're playing Henrietta. Yeah, to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: bring Tom in. And when Henrietta would leave and go
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: off horn around, he would, he would, he would tear
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the yard up. He would get beside him elf goblin.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And I try to call him in and but the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: thing it was, when he saw you, he wouldn't he
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: wouldn't run from you. He would go into defense, like
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: he would try to kill you. I mean he would
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: try to fall because he thinks that you're you're competition. First, yeah,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for my woman, and then I find you here.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: So the first couple of times I called him in,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: it it didn't work out so well for me. So
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I got to carry that whiffle ball bat and I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: try to call him in and kind of even the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: odds a little bit. I don't think the greatest story,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: but you know this is this is actually it actually
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: is the greatest story. So as I matured, he matured,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and he got to where he wouldn't come in close
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: enough to me. So I painted my little wolf the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: ball bat camouflage and just started wearing camouflage and face
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: paint and yeah, if I get him close enough, I'd
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: wear his bud out. And I didn't. He didn't. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: didn't always win. I mean nerevous times that he won,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and uh he got. Really he was the wildest tame
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: turkey in Miller County. I guarantee you what was the county,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Miller County? So uh, you learned to do this, then
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: in your communications with Turkey, you're not using a box
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: call or you're not using conventional Turkey calls. Dad, give
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: me one when I was twelve or thirteen and I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: had a bad gag reflex. But you know, I I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: learned how to do it. But all right, I can
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: call on a diagram decently, but never could do use
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: any call like I could. My boys, can you what
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: was the first call you think you might have learned from?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Henrietta just yelled? She would She would just walk through
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the yard, just constantly making small, little, barely audible noises.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Who we are heard that one doing it tonight? You know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you guys about that. It's kind
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: of we're jumping ahead here a man. We Uh, the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: four of us hunted together, Andy, Guy, Steve, myself, Andy
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and Guy were sitting together. Steve and I were sitting together.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Andy has pooty and come in fairly early, and uh,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: we we got to watch her for at least thirty minutes, right,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and she finally drifted off. I never heard her make
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a sound, did you know? And you guys did She
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: was talking the whole time. That's you know, it's funny.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I want to get into this more. But I remember
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Will Primos listened to a Will Primos DVD and he
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: was talking about turkeys make so much more sound, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you think he goes when you're sitting in the woods
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and one comes real close to you realize they're constantly
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: making noise constantly, And I never, like tonight, we she
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't in shooting range. You can't shoot female anyway, but
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: she wasn't in shooting range. But I never heard a
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: peep out of her. I can't believe that. You guys,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: just sitting not too far away, we're listening to her
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: constantly talking and you don't even know if she's talking
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to to another one or if if she's just making
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: noise to appeace herself. But I know that came turkeys
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: we had. She would do it NonStop. There would be
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: times when we get hot in the heat of the day.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Now I don't mean she she called her head off NonStop.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, I'd say of her day
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: was bent making noises. The other day we had a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: hand roll up on a decoy and she spent several
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: minutes um trying to figure out what was wrong. With it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: She'd kind of fan her tail out, walk around it,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you know, move her head up and down. Wouldn't you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: just left to know exactly what she was thinking? Yeah,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I would love to, I was saying. I kept telling
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I was telling Kenyan that if I could have, like
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: all my questions about turkeys would be answered, if I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: could be in one's brain for five minutes, because I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: just want to know, like how precise their thoughts are
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: or is it just sort of this nothing that's going
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: on in their head, or is it that they're having
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: like complicated thoughts about risk and reward? They live in
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: two worlds. Everything's fine, everything's not fine. She would go
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: up to it and was purring at it, but also
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: just like whistling. It's really cool sounds. Yeah, a lot
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: of that, a lot of those purrs and little subtle
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: clucks in there, those little bitty tiny it's it's something
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that very few people even recognize as a turkey. But
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they do that to each other too. You know, they're curious.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: They want to know what's going on, you know, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you see it a lot when they walk up to decoys.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: What's the other noise? You just mean, just a perr
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: just what does that do? That? Again, there's all kinds
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and the the purp. You know people talk about the
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: feeding purr. Well, there's so many vocalizations from a hand
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to another hand, to another gobbler, to something's wrong, to
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: an alarm. There the purr that a wild turkey uses
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: as as many different, many different call meanings. Do the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: yell that you're old, Henrietta used to make walking around
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the yard. But what would shock me is she would
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: do that in the yard and three hundred yards away
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in the woods, a turkey would gotble back at her,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of yards away, hundreds of yards away
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and on a on a still morning. And that was
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys talking about now they
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: don't ever call it to the turkey till he flies down.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: That was something I learned from that hen She would
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: sit on the on the on our barn, which was
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: where she roosted, and she would listen to the little
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: turkey's gobble around her, and when they flew down, she
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: would start calling to him. It was why, I have
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: no idea. It was fascinating, but it taught me something.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Don't ever call to him while they're in the tree.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: You know, wait till they wait till they hit the ground,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and she would decide, she would make her mind up,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: she'd start yelping, and she'd pitch it down and go
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to a different one just about every time. So what
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: other sounds did you learn how to make with just
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: your mouth? Kyota hood owl and just any crow call,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: basically anything that would make a turkey cobble or let
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: me hear the kyo, Let me hear it. Got a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: lot louder than that, but I don't want to break
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: your sound machine. And then let me hear the owl.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: He lit up the owls. Yeah, like these guys were saying,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you were calling in all kinds of owls. As he
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: asked me, why don't al hoot when we go? And
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that's the reason why, because it usually ends up like
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that at five ours above my tree and I can't
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: hear any thing. They were flying around from tree to tree,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: all around trying to find the offending owl. Can you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: rip it again? Let me here, that's good, walk me through.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So if you can walk through what you understand to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: be um the vocabulary of a turkey. So we talked
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: about a perr. What does it yelp? Saying when a
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: turkey's yelping, what is it saying to other turkeys? It
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: either wants company or it wants you to Basically, it
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: wants company. That's it. That's their vocalization. But what is
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the one they use when they really are going like
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: a dude? When when when a turkey sounds like a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: bad caller with a box call, because they do sometimes
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: do absolutely the worst turkey colors in the woods or turkeys,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: what is she saying when she's doing that? She's ready
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to breed, She's ready for company in the springtime, now
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: she's ready for company. And if you'll hear him do
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that in the fall too, And they've usually got split
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: up from the flock and they're just trying to find
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: they're gregarious animals. They want to be together, you know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: as soon as the breeding season opened, as we're the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: gobblers get back together and they're best friends all year
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: until you know, February March. And the same with hands.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: They're a very strange creature, but they're a creature of
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: habit and they want company. You know, I just realized,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: can you hold on a minute? Sure we didn't do
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the list of the food? What distracted us for doing
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the list of the food boot. Yeah, he's turkey or
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: lack of Yeah, that was it. That's what happened. Do
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: you mind getting back into that. Yeah, speaking of rewinding
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: turkey peccata. Yeah, we made we missed some stuff because
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you had some cured salmon that you caught there in say, yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I made some locks for breakfast. Um made a smoked
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: cariboo kilbassa that we ate several different times. Did you
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: hit the calamari? Oh? Yeah, we did some calamari that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: from my home waters. Yeah. You gotta lead down how
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you secret? Spot? How how that was served too? That
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: was It was a curried calamari with golden raised and
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: some green onion pine nuts and a little curry mangoeoli.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: How was it consumed or city shooting shotguns in the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: headlight of the truck. Yeah, as it should be. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: just want to say, you guys all left and you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: left the plate out there. That's why I was out
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: there for thirty minutes. Handful of handful of calamari. And
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: what else did we do? Uh? That seafood caliboot halibut
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and spot ProMED sausage that's my favorite. Wee cured some
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: goose ptramy, a couple of goosebreast stray we did Canada
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Canada goosebreast. Yeah, that's the I think that that dish
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: if when you hear from people who get Canada geese
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and they don't like eating that much, does a job
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to be making. Yeah, it's a go to for sure.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And then and poot special um food special Canada goosebreast
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: pastrami recipes in the in the forthcoming cookboot. Yeah you
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: can get it there. And oh, we had some couple
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of different lunch items where we did. Uh, I did
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: a roast caribou and made a little sliders out of that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: And then today we eat some too, a mountain lion
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: roast and smoked through that in the smoker and it
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: did kind of like a like a poled barbecue style
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: with a little Cole slaw on all the all the tremans.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: That was pretty good. You ruin me, Andy, It was
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a wild game extravagan mayeah. You can never be reached again.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yep. Series a big old alk linlif
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: pi a. Yeah, that was that was really good. He
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: cooked so hard, uh, he cooked so hard and so
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: long that some essential part of himself was lost and
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: he was unable to get a turkey. Yeah, because you,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like you, you depleted some vital some sense of vitality
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that allows someone to well, I chose the wrong day
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to stay and uh do all my prep work every
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: every hunt except yesterday when everybody came back with a turkey.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Guy what um if you why was why was it
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: so uh easy to get turkeys yesterday? But the day
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: before was like very difficult because today it was not
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that great. Well, Friday, we had what winds out of
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the north, trees laying down and it's you know, they
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: don't get together that well, they're scared. You know, predators
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: have a better chance to catch them. Everything's moving. Uh,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you know, sites their biggest defense, and uh we hit
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it right. You know, they were split up, some of
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: them were lonely, and absolutely perfect weather. The barometer was low.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Everything was just hit right cool and it stayed cool
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: for uh it was probably eleven o'clock before it really
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: started warming up. It was just absolutely perfect morning for
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: so you think it was a response to having had
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: such a nasty day the day before, Like if you
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: have a rainy day, then the next day's real sunny.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: People more inclined to step outside. Depending on the wind
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and the weather, yep. But when it's clear and calm
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like that after day of bad weather over the years,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it's And also the next day is usually the worst
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that you'll have. They're all back together and you and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you've got the hunters you know around here that didn't
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: hunt Friday or that tried to hunt Friday, and I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: knew that Saturday was gonna be good. So you had
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: an influx of how many shotguns shots do we hear Saturday?
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, jeez, must alone a handful. Yeah, And then
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: there were several from around you know, so they noticed
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the pressure. So that next day they tend to be
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: off a little bit. I know, we heard several turkeys
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: this morning that only gobbled, you know, three or four
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: or five times, and that was it. And we had
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: one gobbled yesterday a hundred times at least at least
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: at least a hundred times. And I'll put it into
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that you did, amen, capt One. But it gets frustrating,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you know, when you have a day like today. But
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that's why they call it hunting. It's just you live
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: for those days for yesterday. Up. I was telling Mark
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Kenyon or nothing. I was telling Pooter if if, if
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: it's a sure thing, they wouldn't call it trying to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: call in a turkey. Hey man, it calls something different.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Call it something different. Um, can you make a cut
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: noise like what a turkey does when she cuts? I
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: can't do it with my boys, really, yeah. I can
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: do it with a mouth call. And I used to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: pack a mouth call it to do the cutting so
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I could yelp with my voice at the end of it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: But you don't. I've hunted turkeys for forty years. I've
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: heard cutting in the wild from a wild hen maybe
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: a handful of times. No, hear it all the time.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I just don't hear it. I mean not not the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: continuous cutting that like I was doing today when I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: was calling. I don't ever hear that. Me and Yanni
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: do do you really? Really? Yeah? Are you sure you're
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: not confusing it with just a bunch of clocks? Would you?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Would you define it as like a very aggressive fuck?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: It's sort of just a series of very aggressive clucks.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: She's not scared, She's she's looking for somebody to she's
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: looking for a time, trying to get a response from
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: from a gobblin. So you can't do you can't cut
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: with your mouth, thanks too much her, I'll pass out, okay,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So so cut with a slate, Do one up by
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: your mouth, do one up by your mouth piece? There,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: what's that turkey saying? She's looking for company? She's excited,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: may call it excited you up. So I don't know
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: anybody that's ever talked to one actually, but you don't
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: know any it's ever talked to one actually what she's thinking.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: But I think that she's looking for somebody. She's looking
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: for a response, whether it be from another hen or
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: from a dollar. But it just to be clear if
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you just slow that down and instead of doing a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: bunch in a row and just do that same sound. Yeah,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you just called out a cluck. Cluck. She's walking and looking.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Can you cluck with with your mouth? And a lot
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of times what hen says after she clucks. You know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I can remember in the eighties growing up, everybody told
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you don't make a put with your call, or you'll
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: scare everything in the woods. Yeah, because you do the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: sound that they that they make when they spook. Yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: but it what she does after she clucks or puts
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: it says everything. If she puts and flies off, every
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: turkey in the woods know something's up. But if she
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: puts and yells, they're immediately calm. It means a totally
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: different thing. But here's the thing. If all of these
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: things meant I'm looking for company, then it wouldn't have
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't all exist, Like why the redundancy, because we
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: do everything backwards in nature, the hand goes to the godler.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If she wouldn't like, there
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: has to be some difference. I'm sure you're we don't know.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: But if she yelps and cuts and cluck's all meaning
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I want company, they must all mean variations. If I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: want company, I want a company a teeny bit, but
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: not really, I want company a lot. I see what
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, And I've seen hands walking to the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: woods clucking and yelping and clucking and yelping, and they'll
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: clucking yelp until they get a gobbler to response and
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: turn and go right to it. And you know from
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: listening to that that that's what she wanted to do.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And I've heard the same hens doing the same things.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Here a turkey gobble and turn and walked the other
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: way and get with a group of hens and go
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: off into the wood. Yeah, when it comes down to
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the final of it, she knows what she wants, and
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: until we can figure out a way to get in
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: her head, we're about as far as we can go
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: as a as a group of hunters. I think, Uh,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: can you talk about when you when you saw a
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: turkey gorging itself on crayfish underwater? That was that Empire
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: ranch and it was unreal. She was walking along the
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: edge of a pond like a raccoon picking her head
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: would go into the water, and she had a beard
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: about I don't know, seven or eight inch, as long
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: as it was a bearded hen. Yeah, would you shoot
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: a beard heading? Not? Now? Would you go to a
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: bar called the Bearded Head? Yeah? We saw you? Did
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I say, we saw a bearded head last night? Pencilfin
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: eight inch? Would you shot it? Mm hmm. I was
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: hoping that would come in and poot could shoot it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: That's why I could inspect it. But now I have
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to feel the guilt. That's where I would be. I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: would be able to then say, like, yeah, I was
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: with a guy one time, I didn't do it, But
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: my body shot a bearded him. But they'll eat anything
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: if they can get it in their mouth. I killed
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the guyler one time had bagworms in his and his
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: whole chest was just moving from all the bag worms.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: He had eight you mean bag rooms like tent worms,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and you can see him moving inside there, see us craw.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: My wife wouldn't like that a bit care for it
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: at all. What were you you were talking uh this
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: morning about the hands have the hierarchy as well, and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: like the vocalizations will change based on their status within
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that pyramid. Is that that's true? And the hand goes
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: into something that's called birdie when she gets a nest,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: she gets towards the end of her nest, she gets
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: real defensive of her little area and defensive of herself.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: But they fight, They strutt just like a goler. They
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: don't make the same you know how a goler does.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: But they will let me hear you. Let me hear
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you do that one again. Mm hmmm, you know I do.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It sounds about the same, just abbreviated verse um. So
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the crayfish thing, how big are the crayfish it was eating?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't like what you'd find it a
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: crawfish bowl. But they were all three or four inches long.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So she's just filling her crop up with those things.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: The writer Tom Kelly, Colonel Tom Kelly who wrote the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the greatest turkey hunting book ever, Legion, talks about them
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: eating mudbugs, which crawfish, talks about the meat and crawfish.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: And I hadn't read his book until after that happened
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to me. But it's been a long time ago, but
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I did. I did harvest a turkey and because I
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: had to see, you know what in the world, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: she was eating, had a whole crawfull of and once
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: again her crawl was moving. They weren't near about dead. Yeah,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: so crow, I never thought about that crossed the word
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: for a crop yep, across the crop. Uh, as you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: learned how to make all these turkey sounds that your
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: farm there as a kid, Um, how did you get
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: into competitive turkey calling? And like what is competitive turkey calling?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: It's uh where a group of guys get a list
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: of turkey vocabulary in vocabulary and UH you make each
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: say it's a cluck or the cutting. You do that
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and then the yelping and series of that and then
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: um clucking purrns, a serious of that and you get
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: judged on those call. Do you believe in a call
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: called the fly down? Is it useful to hunters? Absolutely?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Now that one. I have heard a lot. Is it
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the fly down cackle? Fly down? Kickickii ki ki kick
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: again and shoot that hand? Would dad? Can you? Yeah?
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: You can? Can you do it with with your mouth with
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: no calling? And now I'll pass out again. Let go
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a little close to your mouth piece. There you're you're Mike.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: And that's the that's the that's the vocalizations they make
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: coming down out of a tree. Oh and I had
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: her hands to do that a lot, especially in Texas. Uh.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: But when you so, when you but when you've got
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: into doing a competition calling, it was just you were
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: doing No, you're just just using voice calls. Now, I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: would have to use a diaphragm for stuff like that,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: for cutting and for the fly down cackle, but for
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: a basic yelps and the clucking umpires and stuff like that. Yeah,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: run me through like a run through a bunch of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the just a whole whatever comes to your mind. Oh,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the call sequences, Yeah, run me through like a like
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: let's say you're at a calling Well where were the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: calling competitions? Let me ask that. First, I took second
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: in the world of Natchez, Mississippi. Second in the world
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: natural voice. A guy named Tucker Chris beat me by
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: two points. But that's what I mean. You just said
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: natural voice. Yeah, so how can you can't If you're
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: doing the natural voice, you can't have the call right.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: So you just suffered through it. And that's that's where
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I lost. It was the fly down cackle. I just
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: couldn't do it. It sounded like a dead chicken, and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't score very high on my dead chicken also
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: cost you the World Championship Voice calling. Yeah, I had
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: nines and tens out of ten. He was scored zero
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to ten and I had nines and tens on all
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the calls except that one, and I had a four.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: So what was like? What was the first time you
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: went to a competition? I didn't eat for three days
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and I flew down to Natches, or flew down to
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Louisiana and went to Natches. From uh, it's just nervous
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: get up. But in front of a bunch of people,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: that was that was pretty rough. You know, you were
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: nervous about it well in advance of going and doing
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: it well in advanced Yeah, and you signed up. And
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: did you even know that what other people were doing
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: with calling? Had no idea? Had guys tell me? I
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: just had a feeling you were good at it. Yeah.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I had a guy tell me I had to eat
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: lemons before, and then another guy told me I had
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to eat limes, and another guy told me had they
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: cough halls cough drops that would clear my throat. And
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: by the time it was over, I couldn't even talk,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I just it was But it was a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: great experience. You know, I met one of my best
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: friends for life h there. I mean, we've been friends
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: thirty some years. Met him at that column contest. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: where was the calling contest? Natchez, Mississippi, Our nash Mississippi.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: However you want to say it, some good friends from
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: down there and made made some really good people, met
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: some really good people down here. This happening nineteen nineteen. Okay, No,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I gotta followed real quick. How many other folks were
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: in the voice division? I think, and all memories just
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a little rough, but I think there were sixteen or eighteen,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and you know, there's some Mark Jury was there. He's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: a he's an excellent, excellent natural voice caller. And uh,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: there's some other people that you know, it's been twenty
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: years ago that I can't remember. But you beat Marjury. No, No,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: he was there the year before he won it. Three
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: years is in a row, and he was there at
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the contest, but he didn't call that year. He quit
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: because he was winning it every year. He went into
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: business for himself. The year I competed, he wasn't in it.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Is there a day to day like maintenance you have
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to do for your throat or you know what I mean?
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Like a singer does their warm up? Do you do
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: something to like you know, yeah, do you do that?
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Come on, sing it all day tomorrow? Yeah. I realized
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I had such a hit because my understanding is like,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: when you write a song, it's meant to be get
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: some people's heads. And does he man or is he
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: bith or myth gets into Mark's head and shake it,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: which tells me that it's a hit. What's even worse
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: is my wife has had to hear me sing it
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: because she gets mad at me, and I say, talked
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: to Steve, I can't wait to get home and singing
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: this is the annoying song, and this is how it goes.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Does he man or is he? So you gotta warm up,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: l La. The more you call, the better you get
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: at it. The more I practice, the better I am.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: All right, So at some point we better do it. Now.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I want you just to like get put yourself back
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: in your nineteen year old self. Okay, here you are,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: your Natchez, Mississippi. Haven't eaten in days. You get up
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: on the stage. Let me set the scene for its
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: a crowd of beautiful women and you're up on the stage,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: and and you need to start ripping out a wide
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: array of turkey sounds, um that you learned communicating with
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: the family. Pet. That's it. Do you have to do
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: my specific order or yeah, yeah, and I'll say call
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: or do the wild because we can do this just
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: like a contest who wants to be the announcer. You
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: don't mind me any announcer I've ever seen before. I
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: be a crowd. I'm gonna be a crowd member. Contestant.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Contestant number one, could you please start with the cluck
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: and you just do it a few times and that's
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: all You do just cut it and they'll give it
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: a minute for the judges. Who who's judging I mean
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: here at the table, I'm not judging who's judged in
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: real life? You know they get h A lot of
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: times would be you know past callers, um, people that
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: turkey haunded a lot from that local area. Um. Sometimes
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: they'd have agents do it from that area. You know,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: people that were absolutely knew what a hand turkey was
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: supposed to sound like. And this is something put on
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: by the National Wild Turkey Federation. Did Jay Scott judges
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the alcoholing right? Okay, so announcer moving on to the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: yelp U. Usually you do it twice unaided one time. Yep,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: yep you can do. That's like more of a harbor seal.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Ye you tried dirt, Oh no, tryep you got Yeah.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I bet Yanni can do like an approximation of it?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Do you have? But my voice is not might in
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the best place for it. I canna try. It'll be good, Mark,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: but yeoh, hit it again. So when you're learning, how
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: like now we're going back in. If you're not your
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: nineteen year old self anymore, you're you're like whatever you know,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go back to being him in a minute.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: But you're you're younger, you're your younger self. How did
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you like? Were you learning to call with no call,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: just using your voice just out of expediency, like uh?
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Or were you thinking I want to become a a
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: voice caller. I was using that to kill turkeys. That
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: was it. So if I had given you a bunch
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: of turkey calls, you might not have learned. Right, Okay,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: announcer contesting number one, que please now hear you're fighting
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: per Actually this was big. Oh yeah, when two goblers
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: made our two hens and you can tone it down
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: from one to the other, but m t yeah hit
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: him again? Yeah yeah. How about the kiki run? That's
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: a close one. I can barely, I barely can do
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: that one. But okay, but first, can you explain to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: me um the turkey sounds kiki kiki run? Like all
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: these things, most generally, it's the fall of the young young,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the fall turkeys, babies that can't haven't developed a voice enough.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: And you'll hear it take at the end. Sometimes sometimes
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: it won't break. They'll ke key NonStop. But I've heard
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: hens that do it. She my that Henrietta Turkey. She
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: used to do it when she was five six years old.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: She would ki key. They can do it if they
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: want to do it now. Babies in the fall, they
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: don't have the voice box. They do it just because
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: they're trying. They can't yell. But uh, I've heard them
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: hens do that Kiki run in the spring, and like,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I don't have video of her, but m she would
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: do it when she was older. Let me hear the north.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: That just means follow me. I'm not sure what the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Kiki run is from a mature hen. I don't know
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: what that means. I really don't know why they do
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: it sometimes. But Mark, well, what do we have left?
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: We want to hear the fight on cackle again? Do
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: we want to hear the I can't Where did you
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: do the putts? I'll do the feeding purr? How about
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: an alarm put Yeah? I told your ears, no, it's nothing.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: And my putting cluck sounds so much alike, you know, Yeah,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: but a real hands putting cluck sounds alike to Yeah,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: it was at the time. I'm in the woods going,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: damn it, I screwed up again. And yeah, here she comes, Yeah,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: she's coming. All the way in, and I'm like, oh,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: she's not putting it. Isn't the cadence different though? On
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: the alarm put Oh yeah definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: yeah for sure. So when you were when you what
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: was it like when you were growing up Missouri? Would
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you would your what'd your old man do for a living?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: He worked for the state Department and he wasn't around
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: very often. And it was you know, when I lived
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: in Tuscumbia, Missouri, it was population two. You know, we
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: had a we didn't even have a stop that we
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: had to stop sign a bank of church, in a bar,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: in a school. So were you the kind of kid
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: that hung out by yourself? You know? I mean it
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: was hard not to be popular because there was only
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: like fifteen of us in my class. So you were
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: popular whether he wanted to be. But no, I wasn't popular,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: but it was it was a great place to grow up.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: But I was a Hellian. You were a hell Yeah,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I would say Hellen, like, well, like it tell me
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: some bad things you did. I shot a lot of turkeys,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: but you mostly ran around out in the woods. Yeah,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: because like after the last couple of days, I can
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: just tell, like I've only only for a few days
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: to hang out with. But you're like, oh, you're like
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: what I would call it a woodsman a turn that
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I do not throw around. Well, there's a lot of
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: guys like to go hump. They're not like a woodsman.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: And that's just it. I don't hunt it all anymore.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I can't remember the last thing
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I harvested other than the bird that was pooping over
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the window sill, you know, I mean related relocated. I mean,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: it's just I love it, like you guys being here
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: and the success you guys said, that's where I get
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: my charge of of it, and you know, seeing the
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: conservation efforts that have been made for the wild turkey,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: not only for the wild turkey, but for the To
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: bring up a bad but good point. When I was
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: a kid growing up, you would talk to guys, did
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you see anything today? I shot the hell out of
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: this bush, but you know, it turned out it wasn't
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: a turkey or I I shot at once seventy yards
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and there was accidents and you know people, I had
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine got shot turkey hunting,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: and uh I got him into the sport and you know,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: he got shot a second time ever being out. He
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: was hunting a public land there close to home, and uh,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: he was calling the gobler and he said he was
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: just about ready to shoot it, and hits saw him
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: and run off. And he said he was just sitting
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: there and he say, looked, and he's seen a guy
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: walking up to him. And he waved at him and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: he didn't have his gloves on, which who cares. And
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: he a man looks about as much like a turkey
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: as I look like an elephant, you know. But he
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: waved at him, and he said, as soon as I
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: waved at him, he threw his gun up, and he said,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna shoot me. And he put
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: his hand over his eyes and saved his eyes. But
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: he had forty some pellets up his arm and then
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: his skull and holy ship. But you don't hear about
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: that anymore. And it's through the conservation efforts of this country,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and you know, educating people that you don't shoot until
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: you are sure of your target. There was a kid
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that was that one of the Turkey Federation things who
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: was a expert voice caller. The story was he became
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: good at it because his old man shot him in
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: a turkey hunting accident and damaged his voice box, and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: now he can call turkeys. Like I don't even you know,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I try to think of like what word would describe
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: that story. It's not irony, but there's some bizarreness to
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: that story. And you can't ever take that, you know,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: that trigger pulled back. But I don't understand, Like if
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you if you talk to you guys soon, it's like, oh,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: so you thought you thought that you saw a man's
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: hand and in your mind was, um, oh, there's a turkey,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: And I am verifying that it is a bearded turkey
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: in there for illegal and I'm verifying that I'm holding
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: on the wattles. Yeah you're not doing all the No,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: you're not, you're shooting that movement. But that was I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: mean that it was. I mean, we had ten fifteen
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: accidents a year in the state of Missouri. Back in
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: My buddies from Missouri have a good story about watching uh,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: an acquaintance of theirs. They just happened to be perched
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: up and watch this guy like belly crawling on a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: bird in a field. It was goblin and the guy
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: got up and shot a fence post. The bird was
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: still like fifty yards farther, never saw and just reared
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: up and shot this fence post and stood up and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: walked over there and realized that there was no turkey,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: not even close. He was trying to help the quail
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: by killing the fence post. But it's because there was
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: such a lack of it was like you had to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: take every split second decision to shoot something like it
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: was just in the pride and ego, which is downfall
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: of the majority of US guys. But you know now
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: through their efforts, you know, they had the safe sticker
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: on the end of the gun, you know, and everybody
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: made fun of it. I didn't make fun with all.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: That was a great idea. Yeah, it was a b
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: safe sticker that you put on the end of your
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: when you put your gun up. It was on the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: whatever that's that the riser or whatever. So so you
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: had to see that sticker before you made you think
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: that one little one little bit. But are I mean
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: it's went downhill. There's hardly any now, you know, one
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: or two a year, and it's usually somebody dropping a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: gun or so some level of education took shape very much. So, yeah,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you know what I was saying, how like how I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: was saying, like I think of you as a woodsman
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: after walking around you. We're The reason I bring that
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: up was our friend Pat Dirk and we're talking to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: him and he's talking about these guys that get so
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: good at killing white tails. This will interest you, Mark Um.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: These guys get so good at killing white tails and
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: like killing machines, you know, but they can't tell you
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: what tree the tree stands hanging in. They don't know
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: what kind of tree. Like they learned some aspect of hunting,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: but they don't learn the package of it. But you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: when you're out in the woods, you're you're you know
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: your trees, you know your plants, You're observing all of
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: the things around you, and you're curious about the vocalizations.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: And you don't even care to be the guy hunting
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: could care less. I just there's something to learn every
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: time we go out there. You know, it's if nature.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Woods are changing every single second of every day. And
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: now we've decimated our forests back the turn of the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: century and they've you know, they've come back, and we're
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: learning as a nation that you have to take care
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: of it. By eradicating fire and fescue and fence defense planning.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, someday she's gonna get tired of it.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: You know, we got to do our part a sportsmen
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: to give back. We got to take care of our
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: woods in our fields and our forests and our wildlife
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: have to. We owe it to the next generation, our children.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: When you're growing up, that you see a lot of
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: areas get destroyed. Yeah, over the course of your life.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: One of the most painful ones was in Alabama that
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: we hunted, and uh, I mean it was. It was
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: one of the few places I ever got to hunt
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: that was virgin timber and uh there was wide oak
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: trees and it was two acres and and me and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: uh the buddy that I hunted with down there, Barry,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: we could hold hands and not touch I mean around
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the majority of the white oak trees on that place.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: And Uh, that grandfather passed away and left it to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: his grandson. And on the one condition that it didn't
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: get clear cut, that nothing happened to it. It It was
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: never to be logged, which I'm not sure did I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: agree with the never being long stuff? But something that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: pristine and that beautiful, Yeah, I agreed with it. And
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I remember we went down there one year and that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: his uh nephew had found a way around it, and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: it was a clear cut field when we got there.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: It's the logging thing is is tricky. And the main
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, the main area we
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: could go and we could like take twenty two and
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: walk out our door, and and you had you would
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: like take twenty two whatever across the road and you
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: go into a small wood lot with my old man
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: on the chunk of then you go down and cross
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Mueller Road and pass into a big woods because it
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: was owned by a summer camp and it came to
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: be the summer camp sold it and whoever got it
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: was came in to log it, okay, and these are
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: big white pines, big oaks, um and they came in
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to log it. And we were like the monkey ranch
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: gang man because we don't want to log it. And
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: we noticed that the guys came in and would go
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: around right and no cut on some trees. And my
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: old man had gotten all this paint at uh my
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: old man had gotten all this paint at a white
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: elephant sale. And we had a sprayer and I remember
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: me my brother. We were I think I was thirteen
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: or fourteen. I remember because right around the time, I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: was peeling logs for thirty or five cents of foot
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: at a place that made log homes. And uh, we
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: kept mixing that paint to try to get it to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: match exactly the paint that said no cut, and then
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: went all overund in the woods right, no cut it
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: on stuff, which didn't work, and then they cut it okay,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: so it was it was squirrel woods. Then they cut
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: that forest select cut, not clear, but select cut it.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: And it was a couple of years later and we
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: had deer and there wasn't deer anywhere near. I mean
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: it was like you would there would be now and
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: in a deer somewhere if you crossed the next world
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: white Lake Drive and passed into this other woods, you
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: could possibly run into a deer. They logged that thing,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: and we jumped a rough grouse in there a few
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: years later, which never happened, and we actually went and
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: hunted deer in net woods after it was locked. And
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: then that that caused me to have sort of like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: an awareness of sort of like a managed forest, right
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: or like how you could that's something you think is negative, like, oh,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: logging so bad, But then it created this thing and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like this is old girls whose got logged
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: off during the logging boom. Anyways, it was something of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: a more cyclical nature. But if you went there, now
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: there's now again there's nothing because then what happened was
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: development and someone came in and scratched it all off
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: into lots. Feel out of it. Just it's just houses. Yeah,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: it's houses. It's just gone now and now it's now.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: What I think is like, oh they're gonna log it.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be gone or it's gonna be ruined. No,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: it's gone when you build, like when you develop it,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: that's gone. It was developed. It was developed by the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: guys that you know, it was developed by the guys
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: that went to high school with It's not like not
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: like an evil not like an evil thing happened or
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: someone did it with malintent. It's just like the fact
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: is now nothing's there. Well, there's some scrolls run around.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: You can't hunt because it's people's yards. That's why they
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: make pellet guns. Right, I'm I'm a fan of logging
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: when it's you know, selective selective harvest it's a renewable resource,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: just like cutting the field of grasp for Hey, if
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: you don't, it's just gonna go to go to waste.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Utilize it and you can if you do it right,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: you can help your forest in so many ways. You
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: can help your forest and your wildlife. Yeah, have you
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: ever ever been around when they've done those rings? They
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: bore into the tree and take it out, and the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: rings on the wood and tells you how many years
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: old the tree is. No, I just know you're counting
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: them on the stone. Yeah, they got a machine or
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: it's a little handheld deal that bores into the tree
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: and it takes out a tube of the tree for
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: lack of a better word, and they can count the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: rings and you can see that trees life where it
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: had a drought year, it had a lot of rain,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: or it's starting to get enclosed. It's got too many
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: trees around it. And the rings will get shorter and
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: shorter and shorter as the forest matures. And you do
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: a selective harvest in an area like that and come
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: back in ten years and do that same thing, and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: those rings are so far apart you can't even it
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's the same tree like that tree kicking.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Now it's got room to grow and there's some light
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: through the forest. And we as human beings we want
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: to see. Well I don't, and I'm sure you guys
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: don't either, being hunters. But people want to see a
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: pristine forest. I hate that word. You know, Christine, There's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: there's no such thing as pristine in the forest. If
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: it's Christine, it needs some work. You know, if you
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: can look six yards through an oak forest, there's nothing there.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: There's a few acorns at the end of August that
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: last what two weeks, and then then there's nothing. You
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: need to cut that and open the timber up and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: allow some sunlight so you can have growth for deer
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: and nesting cover for your turkeys and dere see food
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: and this fore ft fore ft of cover. They don't
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: care about what's above them. They want they want something
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: that they can hide in and even a while Turkey
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: does too. Now, yeah, they like their open areas, but
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: they they need security. This a little off topic. Do
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: you remember what it was they were given out at
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: that Turkey calling contest for a prize? Yes, it's just
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: ginormous trophy. The only trophy I've ever will that in
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: co ed softball. That's the only two trophies I got
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: in my house. You still got it now? Yeah? He
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: carried around with you? Now, yeah, I dode. That's only
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: the only ones I kept. And that's not true, right.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I won that Illinois Open, in Oklahoma Open, and some
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: other little contests. But I don't have any of those
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: trophies anymore, but I do have that one. Is there
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: a group he's in uh Mouth, Turkey Colling. I don't
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: know I got so I got so far away from it,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I haven't done it in so long.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: But there were some super guys that were that. We're
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, it's a good group of fellas. And
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: then you got into turkey guiding, guiding, turkey hunting. Yeah,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: when you do know, are you mostly um enjoying it
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: or mostly not enjoying the company of the people you're guiding?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: You don't. When you don't do it for money, the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: the ego and pride leave and the enjoyment of it
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: come in. Who's the egoing pride? Not mine? I have
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: none left. But when when somebody is paying you for
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: a service, they expect results, so it puts pressure on
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: you too to make those results. And a lot of times,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: like today, turkey that wasn't doesn't want to cooperate and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: you really can't make them do what they don't want
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: to do. And uh, you know, I got enough pressure
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: in my life. I don't I don't need that. But
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like Saturday, I lived for those days, so
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: you felt the guide and you felt that the the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: transaction of it made it less fun because the hunter
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: had expectations right, And I haven't. I haven't taken money
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: for other than a few tips. I tried to talk,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I'm out. I've given me to him, but they still
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: give me. But I haven't took money for guiding in cash.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how long. It's been a long time.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: And that makes you feel better about it, a lot better. Yeah,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: what were some of the things you've seen people do
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: when you're guiding that you didn't really like? Oh? Lord, one,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name the guy's name because I don't
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: know what the statue of limitations is, but he was
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: a baseball player at it, and he played for the Mets.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: He held the record for getting hit by a pitch
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: the most in one single season. It was like a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty times he got hit by a pitch, mean,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: horrible rough man that just was soft on the inside,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: you know, a good, solid guy, but he was. He
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: just didn't put up with nothing. You know, everything was
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: a bench clearing brawl if it didn't go right. And
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: you feel that that's a symptom of being soft on
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: the inside. Yeah, he was a super soft guy. He
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: was a good guy. I really liked him, you know,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: even to this day, he's a he's a super guy.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I kind of I don't really understand what you're saying.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: You're saying that he would fly off the handle. Yeah,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: but and that being a result of him being soft
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: on the inside trying to hide it. That's my opinion.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. That's my opinion of him.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: But he had soft tendencies but didn't like it. It
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: didn't like that about him, so it wasn't gonna show it.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: And he would go over the top and pummel you
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: if you thought that of him, which if he hears
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: this podcast, he's probably gonna pummel me. But that's all right, goes, well,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: we'll pump him right back. But I took him out.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: He aggravated me for two years to take him turkey hunting.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: So I took him. We go out and it was
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: kind of raining that morning, and I set up under
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: a cedar tree and a glade and it was I
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's probably ten o'clock and I didn't want
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: to be there unclose one. It's raining and the sun
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: he stops raining, the sun breaks through and me and
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: him are sitting there shoulder shoulder. First time ever been
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: turkey hunting. It was April twenty nine, a Friday. I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: remember it like it was yesterday. Man, I'm waiting for
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: something real bad to have. It's pretty bad. And this
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: this turkey gobbles just out of the blue about two
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: or fifty yards down on the off this glade, and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: we're in a perfect spot. I'm like, you gotta be
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: kidding me, you know. I get him around, get his
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: gun up, and uh, the rain is dripping off the
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: cedar trees, and there's just that little bit of miss
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: you know, and I just it's like, all right, Rocke, Yeah,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, he just was almost he couldn't because with
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: the guy shooting. Sorry, no, no, now you're talking. So
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: it's skinting around, get his gun set up, and through
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: this glade outsteps Ahin, just a beautiful little hen and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: she back at me and I called to her, and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: he gobbles and he steps out behind her, and it's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: just one of those turkeys that you never get a chance.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: You know. He's got a foot long beard. It looks
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: like as big as a coke can. It's just a
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: humongous turkey. This is what you live for, you know.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, this is the biggest turkey I've
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: seen this year. It's it. Please, you know, take your time,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: he said, I got this, Like all right, So I
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: call a couple more times. Can you hit that gobble
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: again when it's the right moment, Like this is it?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: You know, a gobbel straight at us a hundred and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: fifty yards a hundred yards and then she's about fifteen
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: or twenty yards ahead of him. She's just walking and feeding,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: you know, And she gets on about twenty five yards
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: and he's about fifty and he's just beautiful, the sun
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: shining off of him. And I'm like, how am I
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: gonna talk to this guy in a mountain this turkey?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: You know, because it's a trophy turkey, and I said,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: all right, let him take a few more go boom,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: and then just explodes into a cloud of feathers. Yeah,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what in the beep beep and beef?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: You beef an idiot? Well I got the idiot out
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: and that was the end of my trash talking him.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: I got a stern lesson and that he was paying
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: me for a service. He came here to kill a turkey,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: and by Lord above, that's what he did. And if
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't like it, I could march my butt right
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: on back to the truck, which is exactly what I did.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I left him with his turkey right there in the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: woods and left professional baseball player. Yeah, shout the hand.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: And he packed that thing around and showed it to people.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: They would have hung me, they would have put me
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: under the person, you know, but not him. He takes
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: it and goes off and just as happy as he
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: can be. It's like never again. I never took him
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: again anything, never soft inside, soft inside. But that was
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: that was his claim to fame. You know, you, Johannest
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: does this. You do it, and your honest does it.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn how to do it where let's
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: say if I if I meet someone who just terrible,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll just feel like I don't like that guy.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: But um, yanni will will will try to find out
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: what it is that makes the guy that way. That's
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: a tendency for me too, and then um right, you'll
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: give him like the credit of the problem. Do you
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: know see what I'm saying? Yeah, as opposed just writing
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: it off. As opposed to write it off, he'd be like, yeah,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: but he yeah, but he as an explanation, I think
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: it's a more like gracious way to go through life.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Be like, well, yeah, but he had a lot of
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: problems with his dad, I understand as a way to
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: like excuse the sort of behavior. That's man, I'll have
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: our our fault, all of us. Yeah, dirt, I got
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: no faults. Well, I guess chewing. Uh, you're like a
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: hunter who doesn't hunt. That's it. I refuse, refuse, refuse
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: other than the relocation of a pest from time to time.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Other than that, I'll never kill another animal. Had a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: pleasure do speechless at a little bit speechless? Well if
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: at a point where okay, so at a point you
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: would you say, did you imagine the point in your
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: life you will say not only will I not I
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: will not assist in the killing of another animal. Too
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: much pleasure from people, too much excitement. I enjoy seeing
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: that the look on people's faces, kids, women, adults, It
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I enjoy the excitement of it and seeing
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: the thrill. Did you take your own kids hunting very much? Yeah?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Do you take them hunting? And then think like, well,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: I hope that they'll arrive at a point where they
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: don't want this anymore like I did. Yeah, I do.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I hope that that someday they reached the point where
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: they want to help others see what they've got to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: see in their lives. So what is it do you think?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: You're like, what is it that you're helping people to
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: see that there's another side the turkey hunting and deer hunting?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: That it's it's and I don't want to offend a
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: ruffle any feathers, But don't worry about that, all right, Well,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: it's not about it's not about selling the next product
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: or making the next invention. You know. Tom Kelly was,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's the greatest. He he loathed decoys, he
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: didn't feed corn, he didn't do anything, ain't wrong. He
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: just hunted turkeys. He wanted that battle of him against
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: a turkey. And that's it's personal for me. Two match
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: wits with one of them to know what he's thinking
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: before he realizes what he's thinking. And by the time
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: he realizes he's messed up, he's laying on his back
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: looking at the last sunset or sunrise he'll ever see.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: And that's a because I failed so many times that
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: when I finally succeed, it's just I enjoy seeing that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: in other people's eyes. Well, my son, he was eight
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: years old when he killed his first deer with a bowl,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: and uh, when he couldn't get he physically couldn't get
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: out of the tree. We had to sit there for
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: an hour because his legs shook so bad. I knew
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: that was it for me. I would never get that
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: level of excitement, And why why would I kill anything
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: if I'm not gonna be excited about it to his level?
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: And he still gets that way. He still gets if
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: it's a dough or ten point buck. He's still both
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: my kids are still that way. So the fun vanished,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if the fun the fund is there.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: I love going out with him and sitting in the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: tree with him, and even with my wife, I enjoy
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: sitting with her. I enjoy hunting with anybody that gets
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: an excitement level out of it. But where I'm what
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is why would I harvest an
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: animal if I can't get as excited as they could
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: about it. I understand, I understand what you're getting that,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: but I just it's hard for me to I understand,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: like the structure of what you're saying, but it's hard
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: for me to understand a little bit because, for instance,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: when I was kids, we were hell on chipmunks. We
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: learned how to hunt by hunting chipmunks. Today, I was
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: having a conversation with you honest about how we were
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: listening to some chipmunks. I'll say, man, we used to
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: just really hunt hard. If we heard a chipmunk cutting
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: loose chirping, we'd get baby guns and go after it.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: But we didn't eat the chipmunks. Okay, So I would
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: now like I now, when when I'm out with my
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: kid and he's in that he's got that little kid
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: thing where you want to get everything in the woods,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, because that's right, we're all here for squirrels.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. That's not something people eat.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: It's not something we're gonna eat. So no, but here
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: I am okay. So here, I am like I've engaged
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: in this activity. I used to engage this activity, and
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: it's something I enjoy doing, and I learned how to
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: hunt that way. But I've decided that I'm like, you
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: know what, I don't like that that happened. Looking back
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: on it, I'm not gonna tell my kid not to
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: do something that I did. My kids are raised very
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: differently than I was raised, so that so that is true,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: very true, very different than I was raising. You know,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: my mom and dad worked daylight the dark. Um. I
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: can remember packing a shotgun to school. Yeah, I was
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: seven miles from my house to school. I was turkey
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: hunting all the way to school. Leave my shotgun on
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: my camouflage, leaned up against a big oak tree on
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: the south of the playground, and I go to school.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: I come out of school, pick my stuff up, and
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: walk back home. It wasn't it was just part of it.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to go to that school when
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: I man, when when I was I remember when they
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: banned guns on campus, and we'd always go hunting after
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: school and I run my trap lines after school, and
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: we went down saying, well, this isn't gonna work because
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: um right, you have to have it, and like, oh, yeah,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: you know that's okay, That's not what we meant. It
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: was just you just had to go let the principle
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: know that you weren't going to follow that rule, and
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: he saw us out whether he thought it was okay
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: for you to not follow or not. There's different times
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: back then, different times every guy in our class had
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: a gun rack and a gun in his back of
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: his truck, you know. I mean, it's just it was
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: part of our our culture, and we've let that go
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: because of some bad decisions. I have a few messed
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: up people. We've all got to pay pay for it. Yeah,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: but I gotta tell a story my dad, and then
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I'm done because you you brought U the chipmunk shooting
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: the chipmunks. Mine was Turkey's all right. My dad had
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: this box of paper Peter's shotgun shells, twenty five of them.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, when he used to not be plastic with
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: paper paper. And people probably don't know this. The casing
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: was paper. My great grandfather, who I'm named after, give
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: him those shells, and he was so proud of him. Well,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: jan any worry. First, I got banned from using the shotgun.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: I couldn't kill turkeys anymore. I was in trouble, bad grades.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I couldn't hunt that spring. Well, that just tore me up.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: So he took all my and I you know, are
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: you not academically inclined? No? I graduated with point one
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: percent one percentage point. You know. If there was classes
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: on turkeys and deer hunting, I just I would have
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: aced it. But I didn't have time for school. There
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: was hunting and drinking beer and other things to do.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: But you knew how to read good. And I'm not
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: superably stupid. I made some bad decisions, but I'm not
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: a complete idiot. But anyway, those shills set inside this
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: little drawer where we had dinner at and uh so,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: turkey season come around and I'll sit there one morning
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: and a turkey starts to going across from the house.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: So I got it. I got it. He had old
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: twelve games that he left in the corner and old Winchester.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: I got one paper shell out of there. Slid in.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: The gun closed it it closed. You know, everything was good.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: I wont what I wonder. So they were off to work.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I sneak up the ridge and the gun goes off
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: and I killed the turkey. Well the papers, you know,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: it didn't expand like today's plastic shells. So I just
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: took all the shells upside down and put the paper
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: one on the bottom. That's a good thinking. No one's
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: ever going to No one's ever gonna know. Fast forward
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: three Turkey seasons, and uh, grades hadn't got any better,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: and uh I was keeping the local neighbors supplied in
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: Turkey breast. But we had this couple my mom and
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: my mom worked for this guy and real high faluting
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: guy and mom and dad and mom they cleaned the
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: house then everything, had this big dinner for him. They
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: come over to the house and we're all sitting around
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: the table and we just finished eaton and my dad says,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: they had a guy, you know, every deal with guns.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: And he says, oh yeah, yeah, and he gets up.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: He goes out in the car and he brings back
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: this gun. He says, this gun my great grandfather gave me.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: And I thought, oh shoot, he says, I got something
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: my my my grandpa gave me. And he turns around
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: and he reaches in that box and he picks up
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: this empty case of paper shotgun shells, and right in
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: the middle of dinner, he just chucks them at me.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: You little bee beep beep beep. I knew, I knew better.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I knew it. So we had this huge family squabble
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: in front of this high fluid couple that mom and
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Dad really laid out the red carpet for. Because I
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: shot every single one of those shows, there wasn't a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: one of them left. I still think grabbed my great
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: grandpa for that box of shells because Peoter, did we
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: name all the dishes? I think I think we got
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: to the ball cloth man, do you have anything? Do
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: you have anything you wanna wedge in there? Uh? Yeah, clarify.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I just I'd had to say that I learned a
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: lot over the last couple of days about turkey. And
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: it was even though I didn't put one in uh
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: in the freezer first turkey just last spring sure did
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: yeah over in Montana. So now you're learning what it's
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: like to lose. Yeah, but no, it was very educational
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: because last year when I got it was it was
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: a quick I had a bird on the ground within
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: within an hour of being being out and about. So
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: this year was good because I learned way more about
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: the the whole process, and obviously I had some good uh,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: some good good guys to to lead that what's your
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: favorite what's your favorite thing about turks so far? Uh,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: just the interaction, you know, getting out there and hearing
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: that that gobbl in the morning and se crazy beautiful
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: noise they make. Yeah, and then just to kind of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: have that kind of that conversation with him. Yeah. I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed it, even though it, uh, it didn't
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: turn out in my favor. I die really really enjoyed
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: getting out there and sitting and just covering some ground
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: and seeing seeing what it was all about. And hopefully
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: do it again next spring. Oh you'll get one next spring, man,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: no doubt my mind. Mark Kenyon Final thoughts. Yeah, housing,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: flip pops, feeling really good, gotta air this, Yeah out
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: at night and I was wearing the big stomp clumpers
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: all day, rubber boots, So any of these pretty badly
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: final thoughts. It's just a great weekend. I mean yesterday
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. We're able to me and
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: dirt were able to get the job done firstly in
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: the morning, which is a blast, and then uh probably
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: other than that though in the camaraderie was stand out
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: as Pooter, the founder of the feast, You put on
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: an unbelievable culinary extravaganza. I think I gained ten pounds
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: some great, great food. Who's my favorite cook's taste? Yeah?
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Mine as well. It was great, great time, Dirtmouth. Yeah,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: I'd second what Mark said in uh the two hunts,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: I gotta hunt with you honest as well. Both Mark
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: and your honest got their birds. The light for my
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: craft was untouchable. It was just amazing the beauty of
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: this area. And Michigan was the final state. So have
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: you I want to touch on this? Yeah, it was.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: So do you have to say you've ben the state?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: You get figured you gotta sleep there or just you
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: don't kind like the airport layover? So how do you
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: count it? Yeah, like get a sense of the area,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: even if it's brief, But yeah, not a not counting
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: like a connection flight or anything. It doesn't need to
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: be a sleepover. No, But I think I have probably
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: every state at it at least a night plus. I
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: did a big trip too long to get into it.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I felt like all the states prior to
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Michigan was more than just a check on the board,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: and now Michigan feels that same kind of role. It
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: was amazing, amazing time here it's ladies and gentlemen, dirt
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: myth um fifty states. Yeah, you can look down on
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: him because he's a slave to a substance. It doesn't
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: have the level of discipline to stop doing something that's
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: killing him by rotting his jaw off. However, there's always
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: a balance. But however, he's visited off and he did.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Is there really a term for that? Is there a title?
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Like there's the Turkey Grand Slam Holders. They're like state
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Grand Slam. You're a Grand slamdholder, State Grand Slam. Yeah,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: I'm at forty nine. There's one missing, good that you
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: got any questions for him to know how the clothes
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: are down? The one missing for me is Louisiana, which
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: I know because we were on our way there. I
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: tell the story all the time. We're on our way there.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: We are down in Mississippi. I think we started out
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: in Memphis. We're headed through Mississippi, got to like Clarksdale,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: home of the Blues. The crossroads were Devil where we
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: went to the Crosswolds where supposedly Robert Johnson sold his
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: soul to the Devil. I was like, I'm gonna get
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: out of the the car. My friend I was like, don't
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: get out of the car. Um and then continued on
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: our way and we're going to New Orleans and on
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: the news is like, we're there's like a big weather
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: event fixing to happen. And the more we go, the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: more serious the weather event is. And it winds up
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: being that there's closing some stuff and evacuating some stuff.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: And we bailed. That was Hurricane Katrina, so it wasn't
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: it wasn't faded, so it was like we Yeah, so
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: we could have made it into town in time to
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: take part in that whole rodeo. Good decisions. Yeah, left
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: named print. Oh, speaking of calling that a rodeo, there's
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: a clarification. The guy wrote in I want to touch
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: on real quick where he says we were. He was saying,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: getting western and getting squirrely are very different. Oh, I'd
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  Speaker 1: agreeing Western means risk of injury. How would I describe
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  Speaker 1: my physical danger squirrely? I would say too, Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: like you could like mess up the fletching on your
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  Speaker 1: air on it shoots a little squirrely, yeah, or like
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  Speaker 1: Garrett was giving me eyes today in the blind. Western's
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  Speaker 1: far different. Yeah. Yeah, if you're blind with another man
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  Speaker 1: and you were just saying, man, I thought I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna get Western. That's different than let's get if you said,
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  Speaker 1: like I was in a blind with dirt and things
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  Speaker 1: got a little squirrely, No harm done. But his clarification
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  Speaker 1: was that there has to be a risk of physical
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  Speaker 1: harm is explicit with with within Western, and squirreliness does
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  Speaker 1: not slight hearted. Yeah, get something being a little squirrelly
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the physical harm is going to result
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  Speaker 1: from that. Yeah, did you have any final thoughts? We
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  Speaker 1: always say Western when there's uh hunting, when there's like
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: too much shooting going on. The first shot didn't really
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: connect properly, but you decided to keep on shooting. Things
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  Speaker 1: got a little Western. You've got a little Western. Dude
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: got West like a shootout? Oh gosh, Yeah, that was so,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: what is it when you get to Eastern? Things got
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: a little Eastern? I don't know what got Western tonight.
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  Speaker 1: That guy with the oh the guy that was just
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: shooting up the store. Steve Texas is like if that
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: gun ain't said and now, yeah, that's just coming from
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  Speaker 1: a guy who's sort of like I used to love
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: to just shoot, and we're kids would just go shoot
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: for Christmas. We get those you know that the sells
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: milk cartons, ammo, we just go like, burned through a
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: whole milk cart in its twenty two rounds. Now now
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: it's did not even that. It's just like, no, I
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: just it's just very like it's like a functional thing,
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  Speaker 1: Like I no longer just like to just go down
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: and just what we call plank just blast. It's just loud. Yeah,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: it's like loud. That wasn't a two today, Oh no, no,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: it was you were he worked in the twenty two later. Yeah,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: that double comma was like fireworks. Just my view on
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: recreational shooting is it's just it's just like loud, you know.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: And when we used to just shoot, shoot, shoot all
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: the time, I never thought about what it means for
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: some guy who's out like we were tonight, Like that guy,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: he's oblivious to the fact that we're out creeping around
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, we're trying to We're trying to film
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: an interview. And we had like ten different takes where
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I'd start and then start shooting, stop agatting, like okay, wait, wait, okay,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: now go that was getting western for sure. I thought
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: it was somebody could have gotten home. He was decidedly squirreling.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Any um, yeah, um, I think I want to go home,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we have a giant flock of chickens,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: but I think when I'm missing at home is a
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: couple of henriettas. Yeah. He was telling me this tonight
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: when we were sitting there just observing. You're in Poot's hunt.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying' gonna become a Laics caller, but I
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: figure my next spring to Turkey season, you won't even
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: be able to get near me my turkey calling skills.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Spent a whole year with Henrietta just listening. That's your concluder. Yeah, um,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: do you guys have room for a turkey? Oh yeah,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this plenty. So, guys, Zuck, can
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: you tell us your what your what was your guy's
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: family name before you guys Shorten it to Zuck Zuk
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: and hyphen Snyder or something. Guys, Zuck, thank you uh
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: for coming on the show and uh and talking about turkey. Calm, guys.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: I just want to say it was a pleasure having
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: y'all and give a shout out to our host. Thanks
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: thanks to him for letting us be together, and I
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: hope to do it all again someday. We'll be back.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Here is a fun place to hang out, So thank you.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you to that. We're coming alright. Brother,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. H