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Coming up on this week's episode of hip Hop Now podcast, a new docu
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series premierced in June about the history of music piracy, ghost Face Killer says
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that storytelling is lacking it hip Hop Today and Apple Music's one hundred Best Albums
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of All Time list, y'all know the routine. Didn't want to do it,
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but now I have to. Let's do it. Welcome to JR Pop
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Now Podcasts. Sh do from the future. You know what the studio your
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ass out of so disrespect the leg hip hop is say to today. Let's
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get right into the business. What up, y'all? I am your host
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this podcast, visit the link and description of this episode. Now, before
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we get started real quick, I'm not gonna take as much time as it
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did last week, but if you follow me on social media at Vegas World,
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I inc. Don't worry about it. It's the same everywhere you go.
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I have a book where I've released the prologue in two chapters. First
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chapter of that or the name of the book is called Experience hip Hop.
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It's a book I wrote back in twenty eighteen, you know, never really
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published. Decided to write them on or publish them on substack. So the
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book is basically about my experience what like ten classic albums when I bought them,
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where I was in my life when I bought them, the story behind
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them, how did I feel when I first heard them, all that good
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stuff, a lot of the things we share online all the time. It's
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just that I wrote minds down a long time ago. So the latest chapter
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is out well, first and foremost, who those who don't know. The
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first chapter was about Ice Cubes's death certificate Did you know me? It's my
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favorite hip hop album all time. Second album I did was nass Illmatic.
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I did that for the thirtieth anniversary, because that was actually chapter ten at
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one point, but now it's chapter two because I went to time it with
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the anniversary of the album. But the third chapter is now available for you
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to read, and it's in the description of this episode. So you can
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watch this episode, then click on that link to read the book and read
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the latest chapter. In the latest chapter is that album ranked there If you're
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watching on video, The Great Adventures of Slick Break Slickbrick's debut album, and
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this joint was released in nineteen eighty eight. For your video people were watching
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nineteen eighty eight this album was released. I was what eleven. I did
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not have money, did not have my own record player or cassette player or
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whatever whatever it was out. I had to get a copy from my brother.
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And if you read the chapter, this is the original vinyl that my
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brother purchased that he dubbed a take for for me. So we just so
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happened to still have it. So here it is the original because you can
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tell where you see all that the crispy edges on that joint. So there
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you have it. So that's it again. My book Experience Hip Hop,
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Chapter three is out Great Adventures to select Rick. Check it out. Those
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who were kids around that time could definitely relate to the things I say in
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that chapter. And again, if you want to read it for yourself,
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along with the other two chapters, the link is in the description of this
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episode. And every episode going forward, because I'm just gonna keep, you
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know, gonna keep doing this, you know, if you don't mind,
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you know, if you don't mind, big shout out to Hip Hop DX
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dot com, Double XL mag and a couple of places where I'm getting some
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of these stories from. Let's get break into the business so we all remember
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the times for some of us, great times of the late nineties, early
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two thousands, probably early two thousands more than anything, but definitely early two
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thousands. I know it was for me of napsters and lime wires and y'all
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know what I'm talking about, though, you know, you know, shout
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out to Boxton dot com. You know, you know we was being Boxton
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used to be something else. I know, the time the blog ever with
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the albums, you just go to them. You know, they got everything
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right. Music piracy. There was a time where everybody uh wound up getting
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computers in their home. You know, for some like myself, for the
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very first time ever, you had dial up, you had AOL. You
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know, maybe you get the free joints if you go to like one of
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the electronics stores to get the free joints, like hey, you get you
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know what is it like five hours free AOL timing you like, that's I
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need to download this one album. Dowload was crazy because you know, you
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literally like if it was an album and it wasn't even high quality at that
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half the time, it would take a good amount of time for that joint
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to download. Now you can download that full album in seconds. You could
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download the discography within a minute. Back then, No, don't you go
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and try to download a movie. Oh my god, especially if you know,
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oh they got the bootlegs Star Wars. It's right here, son,
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twenty gigs. I'm gonna just hit record and go to work and live life
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and have a family, get married, and then come back and watch it
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once it's finished downloaded. Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but
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maybe not that much because it was bad. But set all that to say
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that there's a new docu series being produced by eminem that's supposed to drop in
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June June eleventh, and also Lebron is the executive producer. The name of
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the docu series is called How Music Got Free. It's going to be released
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on Paramount Plus. I think I have that. If not, they are
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new ways to watch things. You don't have I'm just saying. I'm just
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saying, y'all. And here's a story coming from hip Hop dx dot com.
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How Music Got Free was first dropped that self by Southwest this year,
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and it details the fascinating and often funny inside story of the technology driven disruption
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that changed music during the late nineties and early two thousands. File sharing technology
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combined with the insatiable demand for new music, created both the means and the
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motive for millions of young people. Wow, they're just blaming the young people.
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Well, I was much younger back then, so I feel you to
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participate in outright theft. Damn okay, Sorry, I'll keep going, y'all
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and be celebrated for it. And this was according to the Hollywood Reporter.
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First of all, I don't like how spicy y'all talking, but they're not
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lying. So in that era, is that your limitations up? Yet?
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In that era? For those kids who don't even know that, erar of
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you know, late nineties, early two thousands, naps, the line wire,
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all of that downloading music, pirate and music. I think the context
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is for why so many people were doing this downloading music illegally was because prior
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to that the only way for you to get your music was you either taping
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it off the radio whenever the song you like comes on right or you're going
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to the record store and you're purchasing the full album there. And this was
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a you know, the digital space was here, but it was nothing like
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it is today. There was no streaming services, there was no real iTunes
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the way we know it, and maybe maybe iTunes was let me take that
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babybe iTunes was around, but it's just it wasn't the way you know it
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to be today, right as far as access, because everybody would have been
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doing it. And back then it was crazy because you had these databases that
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literally contained almost every album you could think of at one point. Like I
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always say this about streaming services, what I do like about streaming services is
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there used to be a time when I was buying music, not that I
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don't buy it now, but used to be a time back when I was
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buying music when there wasn't a streaming service where sometimes I might buy this TI
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album because I didn't buy the other ones, but this one's new and it's
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out, and I buy that, and chances are I may never get to
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hear those other two if I'm not interested enough to buy them, right,
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And some record stores would let you sample albums before you buy them and stuff
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like that, but that was typically like newer albums, so you couldn't go
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in there and let's just say Tis on his third album. You couldn't necessarily,
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depending on where you were going, going there and just sample his whole
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catalog and then decide to buy all of them. It was literally like you
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either heard the singles or watched the video, or heard enough songs from an
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album decided okay, I think I'm gonna like that album, let me go
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and get it now. You if you have a streaming service, you can
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listen to the whole thing, but obviously that's a monthly fee, and if
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you're going further back, you were literally spending the money to buy each album.
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And then in like the late nineties to early two thousands, CD prices
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will probably higher than they ever been at some point, because I remember when
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most CDs, well, you know, I run around ten maybe twelve dollars,
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and I remember sometimes it got a crazy way. It was almost pushing
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twenty in the early two thousands, which was crazy, And you think about
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that, like, yo, you going into a record store. You going
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in the apartment store like Target at Walmart, and the CD you want cost
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twenty dollars, but you was kind of hoping to get two or three to
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take home. You're not going in there and spend those sixty no damn three
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albums. But if you went on next and you had the patience with your
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dialog, you could have it all free of charge. And a lot of
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people did that. Now they say a lot of young people, and I
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could feel that. I'll give you all a couple examples what was crazy for
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me at that time and what we did with that music. And I'm not
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incriminating nobody else, but I was hosting a hip hop radio show in Baltimore
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called Strictly hip Hop, Right, And between that exact time, I got
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my first computer. Right. I think it was like what's the compact something
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like that. I don't know if they even make them anymore, but it
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was like a compact joint, right. And I already knew the sites because
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I went to somebody house before and they had like Jadakiss album like mad Early,
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you know what I'm saying. So we just over there like we're already
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it's not even out yet. That was the other thing. It was a
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lot of music that wasn't even out yet that was being leaked on to Napster,
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which was also made it crazy. It wasn't just stuff that was out
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that you could just download get for free. Was the fact that there was
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leaked albums that like were coming out a month or so later. And then
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there was also like unreleased albums that now you can get your hands on,
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right, So, you know, for somebody who's a music head, it's
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like crazy. But when I got this computer, you know, I'm going
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to the sites, and my first thought was, well, now we can
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have exclusive music before anybody in the Baltimore area as far as the hip hop
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shows, right, because not that the other shows couldn't didn't have access to
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this music. It's just in some ways they couldn't even play it, like
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on commercial radio. But because we were public radio and you know, it
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was late at night, and you know, obviously we would clean the records
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so they could be radio edited. That was our draw, Like, yo,
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you gotta tune in at the top of the show because we're gonna be
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hitting some crazy exclusives and we would do promos and I remember we first started.
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I'm not even gonna lie to y'all. Sometimes we was popping up,
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like yo, we got ten exclusives to Night and Catcher were like yo,
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y'all crazy Yo. It was like that. And you know, obviously there's
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plenty of people who had access to this stuff, but there's so many people
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who don't. So I'm definitely gonna watch this documentary because our docuseries docuseries,
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meaning it be a few episodes, mainly for nostalgia, but also like perspective.
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And what I'll try to do is when it drops, I'll probably do
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a review of it how good it was. And you know, the impact
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of it was kind of crazy, so don't get it twisted. It was
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a lot of people who was like getting fined and probably getting arrested, all
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kinds of stuff based off of this, and it was a whole scare with
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that. And I think iTunes and you know, music being available online and
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high quality directly from record labels killed that. Now you can you can still
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find places across the internet where you can get what you want, but it's
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nothing, it's nothing like what it was. It was like all you can
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eat, inclusive, all inclusive music and I don't even think I have,
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like I might have mainly the unreleased that I got from there. I probably
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have like the release music still in my digital library. But you know,
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I couldn't even point out to you what came from like back then. Most
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of the stuff I have is just you know, legit, because you want
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the high quality joint and you know that's just where we are today. So
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there you had it. Ghost Face said recently that storytelling is lacking in hip
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hop today. Let's see if we can get the quote. This was he
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sat down with Rolling Stones and he said Rolling Stone and he said, I
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don't hear n words doing storytelling no more. Man, there might be nas.
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You might still got Slick Rick out there doing it, Ray Kwan Jizza.
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A lot of stuff be regular darts, regular raps. Everything with this
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new generation is about clubs. Let's see. Now this is kind of crazy.
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I ain't gonna I'm not even gonna read this other part, but I
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guess since I teased it. He continued, a lot of he word it's
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a family podcast, y'all, I'm saying getting thrown around and ish. It
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ain't like with anc Light even when Little Kim did it she was gangster with
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it. She was a rappers rapper. But the Lauryn Hills of this ish
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are gone, even the Foxies and the ish like that, Like a lag
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came over it. But all of this other lickmit and my booty whole brown
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ish, it's like it's too much. Well, I agree with ghosts to
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a certain extent. First, let's start with the storyteller. Yeah, there
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definitely is a lack of storytelling in the traditional sense, but I think there
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is a lot of storytelling that's still around. What he may mean is there
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was a point in time where the artists who were at the forefront of hip
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hop, there was more variety, and a lot of them told stories like
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they had some kind of storytelling something on their albums, whereas now it's really
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singles and party records for the clubs. Is you're not really saying anything beyond
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what everybody else is saying the same routines, is your jewelry, what you're
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going to do to the ops? The ladies, diamonds, money, rents
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and repeat and cars? Is it rent and repeat? And some people who
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don't really know hip hop will say, well, that's not what it was
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always about. No, I mean, did you hear that in any of
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public enemies music? I don't think you have, right, So I get
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what he's saying when it comes to the new generation, but there are a
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number of people who've done like storytelling recently. Like I don't really think he's
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thinking about everybody. I think he's looking at a certain type of newer generation
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rappers and saying all of them don't do that. But then I think he's
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not looking at those who carried on tradition, like for example, like Kendrick
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with Duckworth, like that's a story. Like you know what I'm saying.
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Does it happen a lot with everybody? No, but their number of artists,
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whether they be mainstream or underground or whatever, who do storytelling. I
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think Ghosts is just looking at when I turn on the TV, when I
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turn on the radio, what do I hear? And if that's all you're
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doing, Yeah, you're not gonna hear. No, you're not gonna hear
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no stories. But I think that ended a while ago. I don't think
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that start with this generation. But sometimes when you know the elders say stuff
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like this, you know, some some younger artists get inspired and you know,
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maybe it sets off a trend, because that's kind of what they do.
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They do some trending and stuff, and then maybe you get more stories.
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So who knows. And like he said, with the ladies, I
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just I agree, but I disagree because he's referring to what Jermaine dupri said,
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which is strip hop, right, where it's the same thing for the
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ladies, like the guys was doing all the things I mentioned for the club,
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whereas the ladies are doing like they're just really only talking about sex and
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not in any kind of creative way for the most part. Right, But
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that's not all the ladies that are out rapping, right. I get what
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he's saying, what you beating, what you're presented with when you watch videos,
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when you turn on the radio, is that. But let's not pretend
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is if Rhapsody didn't just drop a very good album that has a ton of
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storytelling in it. So I think when Ghost said this, I think ghosts
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this was kind of shooting off the hip. And of course he named it
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slick work, But I don't know what what slickword got that's new that he
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would be referring to, even jizz, But I think he was probably reaching
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for names, but he probably would if you said, like, oh,
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well Kendrick got this, and well rhaps City is this, he probably would
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agree. But again I think he's more so talking about if he's just decides,
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you know, I want to hear some hit let Me turn the hip,
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let Me turn the Hot ninety seven, and everything is for the club,
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and everything is you know, all these surface and filler type lyrics.
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Then yeah, that's how he's going to feel. And I think what people
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need to understand before you say he's hating on the younger generation, what you
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got to understand is when it comes to artists, hip hop, artists,
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pop, whatever it may be, everyone needs to be inspired by something.
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At some point. You can go a long time just off your own adrenaline
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creating dope music, but at some point when you want to continue on,
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you start to look for inspiration. Doesn't matter if it's for your second album
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or your tenth album. At some point you're looking for inspiration. And what
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a lot of artists do sometimes is, you know, sometimes they'll go out
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in the world and live and all that stuff, but then some people just
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see what's hot, you know, what's the vibe right now? And sometimes
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you know, you'll hear something that you really digging and at a sparkling idea
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in you to approach your next project. And when you're hearing a million rappers
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sound exactly the same and talk about the same things, and the only difference
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is is if you get to see them, you're like, oh, she's
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light skinned and she's darcy. So I get it, but I don't know.
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You tell me it's it's storytelling, like really lacking like that and hip
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hop. I mean, he kind of has the point, even when I
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think about some underground rappers who also recycle the same things over and over and
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over and over and really have nothing else to say about life, their lives,
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you know, things like that. So end lastly, So man,
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look, I'm not even gonna hold y'all these lists. These music lists dominate
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online all the time. If it's not a pick the best one or if
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you die, what album you're gonna listen to dying? Whatever the dumb ish
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list is, there's always gonna be a list. And don't get me wrong,
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sometimes I like participating in some of these things, but then there's a
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list by publications that sometimes the entit that just goes crazy over social media just
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goes crazy. It's arguments back and forth, and usually it's like this list
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is trash, like the Rolling Stones list. I did a whole episode on
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because I could not believe it. Well that there's a new list, and
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this one is from Apple Music. It is the one hundred best albums of
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all time. And now I'm not gonna hold you. The Miseducation of Lauren
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Hill by Lauren Hill is number one. Now, this isn't just a hip
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pop list. This is everything rock, pop, jazz, hip hop,
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just all one like yo, this is the definitive one hundred best albums list,
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and Lauren Hill's Miseducation of Lauren Hill is number one. Now we're gonna
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get into the criteria and then I think I'm gonna try and find real quick
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at least the top twenty. But let me say this, and this isn't
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a hip hop thing, but when I saw that Thriller, Michael Jackson's Thriller
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was number two, I was racking my brain like, well, if that's
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number two, there's only a couple of albums that I think you could say
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are number one, and most people wouldn't blink or think twice at least,
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it's debatable. Mis education of Laurence Hill is not that. And I'm gonna
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tell you why, and then we're gonna talk a little bit a little bit
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because this is gonna be brief about the hip hop. So here's the criteria
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for this list. This is from old Man ebro Ebro from Hot ninety seven
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who works with Apple or Apple Music. This is off his Twitter. Voters
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of the Wanda Beesto on Apple Music were challenged to not vote for our favorites,
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but albums that represented a cultural moment for the artists or genre. Albums
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that were complete thoughts, not just collections of hit songs. Albums that thoroughly
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represent culture and production and lyrics. Albums that inspired a generation to want to
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create more music. Albums that represent the best in storytelling, musicianship, recording,
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and production. Albums that are timeless and reach far beyond the genre categorization.
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Now, there's a couple of things with that criteria that seems like you're
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treading the same ground. But I get it. And just to simplify it,
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why didn't you just say like impact albums, because typically impact albums really
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check a lot of these boxes. Anyway, when you think about it,
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like the impact is great. Sometimes your impact could be so great with your
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album that you do influence others, and you do influence the culture, and
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it is more than just a collection of songs. Right typically, so impact
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just would have been enough. Right. I still wouldn't pick lauryn Hill number
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one, but this is their liss and what I understand it wasn't just like
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a bunch of people at Apple Music who voted, was also people outside of
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that. But I think that plays into why this list feels like it's all
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over the place. Now, with that being said, let's find real quick
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the top twenty. Now. I forgot to do this, but big shout
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out to Eddie from Freed Styles, who basically is a co producer of this
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segment. Because I really wasn't going to do this, he did some of
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the work for me by getting this information, so hey, you had all
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right. Shout out to Eddie at number twenty. Now, remember pay attention
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to the hip hop at number twenty, Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys nineteen,
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The Chronic Doctor, Dre eighteen, nineteen eighty nine, Taylor Swift See
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What's going On? Marvin Gay sixteen, Blue by Joni Mitchell, fifteen twenty
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one by Adele fourteen Highway sixty one Revisited by Bob Dylan, thirteen The Blueprint
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by Jay Z, twelve Ok Computer by Radiohead, eleven Rumors by Fleetwood Mac
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ten Lemonade by Beyonce, nine never Mind by Nirvana, eight Back to Back
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by Amy Winehouse seven Good kid Man City by Kendrick Lamar, six Songs in
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a KI of Life by Stevie Wonder, five Frank Ocean's Blonde, four Purple
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Rain by Prince in the Revolution, three Abbey Road by The Beatles, the
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Beatles in There Once Yep, and number two Thriller by Michael Jackson. Number
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one The Miseducation of Lauren Hill now the mis Education Laurence Hill to Me and
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a hip hop album is way more sing on it. Singing on that album
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than rapping, so we're not gonna include that. But number number nineteen was
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the chronic let's see. Number thirteen was jay Z's Blueprint, Number seven was
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Good kid Man City, and then that's hip hop now. Just musically,
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the top ten is pretty solid except for I don't Except for I didn't know
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Frank Ocean's Blonde was that big, Like I liked that album a lot.
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I didn't know it was that big for the culture, so that one is
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weird to me. But notably missing from the hip hop side is the one
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album that I swear on social media it is talked about every day and we
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just did an episode. I just mentioned it. Nasa z Eomatic Mind you
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you didn't hear Doggy Style, You didn't hear it Ready to Die, You
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didn't hear NWA, No Ice Cube albums, no Outcast albums. And then
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the albums that were chosen, like the Chronic, Yeah, top twenty,
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Chronic should be top twenty. I don't know Blueprint shit, Like, how
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is Blueprint in the top twenty? In Illmatic? Is it? Now?
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Some would say, oh, well, I don't know if it inspired it
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inspired a bunch of Nasa signa Blueprint? Who you kidding? Who raised y'all?
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Now again, these are the opinions of a number of people, and
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it's not about favorites and anything about the criteria and impact. I think because
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it's is Apple music. Also, a lot of these albums have sold a
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bunch of records and Ellmatic did not. That's one thing. I'm also surprised
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Eminem didn't make the Top twenty considering you know, maybe they left eminem outside
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of the Top twenties because they didn't want to have problems with that. But
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having and I know this ain't hip hop, but I'm just saying, man,
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I like more than hip hop, having Frank Ocean, I had a
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Stevie Wonder's songs and key Life. So again, even though this isn't a
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hip hop list, for the hip hop that's in that top twenty, honestly,
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Blueprint is the only one that I would move out of that list.
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And it's not because it's whack. It's because I think if you're gonna include
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jay Z, may be what would be jay Z's fluential album. But maybe
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it is the Blueprint. Maybe the Blueprint does belong in that because I was
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gonna say I felt like the energy behind the Black album was bigger, but
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I guess it wasn't. But to not have like paydon full was a cultural
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album? How do you about every being rock Kim for those who don't know,
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But also this no Run DMC and this like what I don't I don't,
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I don't understand. So everybody's arguing online about it, and honestly,
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my opinion is there's always gonna be list these lists if you don't understand not
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only generate conversation around music and around the albums, and sometimes it probably drives
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up drives up streaming numbers, right because a person who's interested in music may
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look at that top ten and say, I never heard all those albums.
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And if Apple Music is saying those are the top ten best music albums of
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all time, I'm gonna go and listen to them. Oh, maybe you
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haven't heard Purple Rain in a long time, and you're like, man,
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I haven't heard Purple Range in a long time. Press play, you know.
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And also it generates a lot of clicks and likes the other lists,
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and you know, attention, and you know, like it's it's like a
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snowball effect, and it's honestly, it's a perfect tactic to generate engagement and
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things like that which can lead to sales, and especially if their tweets monetize,
34:47
you know, then it ads. I've never seen Apple Music's Twitter page
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tweet that much until this list, and each post that they counted down,
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I mean, it was crazy, like the likes and it retweets and people
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seeing them, it was just crazy. So from a business standpoint, like
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if I was in charge of Apple Music, I'm not saying we just create
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a list just to create it, but it's a smart move to create a
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list as a content creator, to especially when you have this many followers and
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this muthage much attention on you to strike up conversation engagement which could lead to
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people picking up Apple Music, you know, like, oh, let me
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try a free service to listen to some of these just saying it just does,
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and it drives users to use their Apple Music app if they haven't in
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a while, because they do things like you open the Apple Music app and
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there's a message, or you go to your email and there's a message from
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Apple Music like yo, we did a top one hundred list. Jag it
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out. So again, it makes sense because it drives all of this engagement
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to Apple Music now that they put this kind of list out, and not
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in just one genre where the hip hop people were arguing about it, so
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all the soul and R and B people saw all the pop people and the
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jazz people because I heard there's like only two jazz albums on hand, and
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it's like what out of one hundred, and it's probably you know Miles Davis
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and John Coltrane. Well, actually, wait a minute, is John Coachrain
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not on this list? But again, this is this is this is the
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world we live in. This is the world we live in, y'all.
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So either you get with the list debate, or you do like me,
36:43
you just try to ignore it until you realize you have a hip hop news
36:46
podcast and it's all everybody cares about anyway. So what did you think about
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Apple Music's That's one hundred lists? Look on that list and see where some
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of your favorite albums are, because some of those alums are on that list,
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