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Bleach on Reuniting, their New Album, and if They Identify as a Christian Band · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Once again, here we are, another melody I sing.
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: You will laugh, you will smile, and when we're.
• 0:15
  Speaker 3: Done, we all will leave.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: But there is.
• 0:18
  Speaker 3: Something more I've got to give.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: It's more than just a man. Today we've got Milam
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: and Sam from Bleach. So excited to chat with you guys.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: It's been a couple years at the time. I forget
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: exactly what was going on in the life of Bleach,
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: but things are starting to ramp back up. That much
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: I know. Things are ramping back up. And then here
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: you are now. You guys have been touring. You've been
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: playing a number of shows. You've got new music coming out,
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: which is absolutely crazy. It's been at least 20 years
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: since the last new music from Bleach. So new music's
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: coming out. It just feels like this like resurgence of
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: the band. The band has, you know, the stone has
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: been moved away. We're alive. Yeah. So here we are. Resurrection.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm putting my finger in you guys' sides right now.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: So here we are.
• 1:23
  Speaker 4: It's real.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: It is real.
• 1:25
  Speaker 4: That's right. That's right.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: Super excited about all that. Well, obviously, we'll talk about
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: all those sort of things. Well, I want to talk
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: about the legacy of bleach and much, much more. But
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: before we dive into all of that, how are you doing, Milam,
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: and how are you doing, Sam?
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: I'm great. I'm happy to be back here. And it's
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: been a busy year for us. But, yeah, it's going
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: to be fun.
• 1:51
  Speaker 3: Milam, are you feeling okay that you've had to wait for,
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: you know, 45 minutes to an hour for Sam yet?
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got our, we call him Peapod.
• 2:01
  Speaker 4: It's legit, though.
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: He's the oldest member of the band. And that also
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: means he doesn't know how to follow a link.
• 2:09
  Speaker 4: You know, I eventually followed it, though.
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:14
  Speaker 4: Here we are, though.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: You finally got here.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 2:16
  Speaker 4: My wife didn't help me. Yeah, she did.
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: Half an hour after.
• 2:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, boys. Well, you know, I like to keep
• 2:25
  Speaker 4: you waiting a little bit. That's right. Keep it interesting.
• 2:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:28
  Speaker 3: Passionately late. That's what they say.
• 2:29
  Speaker 4: That's right. That's right. I'm doing great too.
• 2:33
  Speaker 5: Like there's been a lot that's happened since last time
• 2:36
  Speaker 5: we talked for like in my life. Yeah. I mean,
• 2:39
  Speaker 5: outside just like me, like, yeah, kind of doing bleach
• 2:42
  Speaker 5: stuff again, which like I tell everybody that went on
• 2:45
  Speaker 5: my bingo cards last year or the year before, you know,
• 2:47
  Speaker 5: like it's not what we're doing, you know, but just
• 2:51
  Speaker 5: as much as we're doing and kind of where we're
• 2:53
  Speaker 5: headed with it. But I also became a grandpa, uh,
• 2:56
  Speaker 5: And so that's been wild. Yeah, yeah.
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: I heard you became a grandpa and an illegitimate father
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: at the same time.
• 3:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Wild, huh?
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: You know? So you really are people. It's not even
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: just because.
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 4: I'm legit.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: It's not even like that you don't know how to
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: follow the correct link. It's just you literally are grandpa.
• 3:19
  Speaker 5: Literally.
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: I am, yeah. I am now.
• 3:22
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: Wait, okay, Cullen, we got to... There's maybe been a
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: couple grandparents that we've interviewed. Now I'm trying to think
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: of who they are, but I feel like we could
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: offend them if they actually aren't.
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: I'm loud and proud, dude.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody knows I'm a grandpa.
• 3:41
  Speaker 4: Who is the guy from Voivod?
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say the dude from Voivod. Dennis.
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: He could have potentially been a grandpa. I have no
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: idea if he was or not. He was pretty old.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: Had to have been. We did interview Suzy Cuatro. She
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: probably was maybe a grandma.
• 3:55
  Speaker 3: She's a grandma.
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: What was the guy from? It was like that hair
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: metal band that we interviewed recently. oh yeah from skid
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: row from skid row he was probably old enough to
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: be a grandpa as well.
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  Speaker 4: That's not that's not shocking yeah yeah but like i'm.
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: Sure i'm sure he's a grandpa to a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: Kids maybe more maybe more than he's more.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Than he's even aware of yeah for sure.
• 4:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly i never know.
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  Speaker 1: I think though at least right away those are the
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: three that come to mind maybe there are some more
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  Speaker 1: but those are the three that are coming to mind
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  Speaker 1: right now maybe is bruce from living sacrifice a grandpa
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  Speaker 1: yet Again, I don't want to offend Bruce if you're listening.
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  Speaker 4: He might be. I can't remember.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's up there. I mean, he was like
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: in his 20s back like 40 years ago, so he's
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: got to be like close to 60 now, which has
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: got to be getting close to grandpa age, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: He's getting there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All fair game.
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  Speaker 4: I'm 52 now, so yeah.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: Now we can add you. Wow, 52. That's a pretty
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: young grandpa.
• 4:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. You know, it's– You know. It's nice.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: I will say my grandma was 43 when she became
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: a grandma. It wasn't because of me. It was one
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: of my older cousins.
• 5:09
  Speaker 3: Is Peepaw the slang in the Nashville area?
• 5:13
  Speaker 5: No, I just was like, hey, what's the most rad
• 5:17
  Speaker 5: grandpa name I can think of? Well, it kind of
• 5:21
  Speaker 5: ties into some bleach history too because these guys have
• 5:23
  Speaker 5: always called me that. It started with these guys calling
• 5:26
  Speaker 5: me that as a joke.
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: And so I'm like, the seed was planted. Yeah.
• 5:32
  Speaker 4: So, and my wife, I think Jerry, Jerry, Jerry that
• 5:36
  Speaker 4: came out with it. They don't.
• 5:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Cause I was the oldest, I was people. So
• 5:40
  Speaker 5: I just was like, that makes sense. Let's stick with it.
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: I will say, uh, there is not a, like, I've
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: never thought in my life that somebody that looks like
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: you is a grandpa and, just by the way you look.
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: I can assure you my grandpa, the way when he
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: became a grandpa, did not look like what you look
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: like right now. He was not wearing a flat bill.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: He definitely did not have that cool of a mustache.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: He definitely was not wearing cool-ass glasses.
• 6:05
  Speaker 3: My grandpa definitely watched some Groucho Marx back in the day, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: you're ready for the remake of Ducks.
• 6:15
  Speaker 4: I'm bringing it back, man.
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: You definitely are going to be like the coolest grandpa
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: out there. Like this grandchild is going to like, my
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: grandpa is in a band and he is so cool.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: Like he's got tattoos. He's still wearing cool hats and stuff.
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: So like you've got to like be the coolest grandpa.
• 6:37
  Speaker 5: Well, my kids put me to shame. That's the hard part.
• 6:40
  Speaker 5: They got to keep up with their, you know, like
• 6:43
  Speaker 5: aunt and dad. My kids look way cooler than I do.
• 6:47
  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that is, I mean, that's like, that's a
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  Speaker 1: high standard. Like if you are as cool as you
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: are at 52, imagine being like a 25 year old.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: Like I would be like, geez, what do I, what
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  Speaker 1: possibly could I do?
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  Speaker 4: I don't. So no, we're having fun. It's so fun.
• 7:03
  Speaker 4: I love it. I love every bit of it.
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let's talk about just like what's what's the
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: life of Bleach right now. So obviously we'll dive more
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: into kind of details of the new album.
• 7:14
  Speaker 4: But yeah.
• 7:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: Since the last time we chatted, things have really picked up.
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: You guys are touring. You play in a lot of shows, obviously.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: And again, we'll talk about the album. But my goodness,
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: like you guys are you're really doing the thing right now.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like you guys are 20 again.
• 7:29
  Speaker 4: I know it's it.
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Doesn't feel like it.
• 7:34
  Speaker 4: It's not after the shows.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We're trying it.
• 7:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: Well, we played Furnace Fest last year, you know. And
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: that was kind of a surprise. That kind of got
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: the ball rolling. We had done one more show, one
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: other show before that. And it was just a blast.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: And we knew that 2026 was going to be 30
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: years since the first album was released in 96.
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: So....
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: We'd already kind of been talking about doing some 30th
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: anniversary shows, but man, early, early in the year, we
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: just had a lot of, honestly, none of this could
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: happen if, if it weren't for just friends and people
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: that are just like kind of in the right places
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: now that we go way back with that. Like we
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: end up, you know, with a good friend wanting to,
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: to manage us and saying like, Hey, let me handle
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: some of this stuff because we, if it was up
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: to the six of us, nothing would ever get done
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: because our, our lives are just so busy full of
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: kids and jobs and traveling. And like, there's just a
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: lot going on, you know? And so, um, and then
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: from that, like we get a booking agent and then
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: it was like, Hey, you guys want them to start
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: booking 30th anniversary shows. And like, before we knew it,
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: we had like a calendar full of like 16 shows
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: this year. And, um, You know, doing about a run
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: a month, give or take, like three, four shows a
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: month between June and October. So, yeah, so we're going
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: to be doing our last four shows here in the
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: next couple weeks. And it's been wild, like back in advance, mostly.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: And like having played like kind of some one-offs and some,
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: you know, like Furnace Festival and like a couple of
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: things like that. you know, like you, you, you rehearse
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: and you have that time together. And then like, everybody's
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: just kind of making their way there. I know a
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: lot of those scenarios is like, I'm driving my family
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: and Sam's with his family. And like, it's just like,
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: we're all just trying to get to this one thing
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: to play for an hour. But with this, it's been like,
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: you know, we're, we're sharing hotel rooms again. We're in
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: a van all day together we're you know we're killing
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: time at some you guys you guys are downtown dallas
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: like we're we're in.
• 9:59
  Speaker 4: It yeah yeah dang.
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: You guys are living high on the hog.
• 10:03
  Speaker 5: It's too hey we're in a van man you gotta
• 10:05
  Speaker 5: have a spot to stretch out bro i've had a
• 10:07
  Speaker 5: spinal fusion i'm like i gotta.
• 10:09
  Speaker 4: Stop yeah you're No way. I did on the way home.
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: Like our last run, we.
• 10:18
  Speaker 5: Did Chicago and Milwaukee and we had to like just
• 10:21
  Speaker 5: be on at home. And so we had, we're not
• 10:25
  Speaker 5: doing trailers. We just threw everything in the back of
• 10:27
  Speaker 5: this 15 passenger and there was like two benches. So,
• 10:30
  Speaker 5: but there was three of us that needed a spot
• 10:32
  Speaker 5: to sleep. So like a couple of us, like me
• 10:34
  Speaker 5: and Mylon were sitting in one bench and just leaning forward.
• 10:37
  Speaker 5: It was just like, yeah, 19 again, but not 19
• 10:40
  Speaker 5: at all.
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: Not 19 at all. I'm still catching up. It was like,
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: when did we get home last week? So yeah. Friday.
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. How long did it take before the songs felt,
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: you know, automatic again?
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: That's what's been.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like it came back pretty quick.
• 11:04
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's interesting because I feel like that's
• 11:07
  Speaker 5: one thing that is true about bands that, that kind
• 11:12
  Speaker 5: of came up in our era is you just played
• 11:16
  Speaker 5: you tour. That's all there was to do. That's how
• 11:18
  Speaker 5: you survived. You went, we played 200 shows a year
• 11:21
  Speaker 5: every year. So you really be honing your, your live craft. Like,
• 11:26
  Speaker 5: I feel like that was always where we were at
• 11:28
  Speaker 5: our best was our live show. And so it's fun
• 11:31
  Speaker 5: to come back to that and go, dang, we were
• 11:36
  Speaker 5: still a tight band. And like, so it feels really
• 11:39
  Speaker 5: fun and good. Like I'm, I was blown away when
• 11:41
  Speaker 5: we started recording songs. That's when I really was like, wow, okay,
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: this is, this is something special, you know?
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: And I was so reminded of that.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, I think like playing those couple of
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: shows like last fall, you know, which has been over
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: a year ago now, like, um, summer, late summer, early fall,
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: like that probably like, We put in the time, like
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: a few days at a time. And that was probably
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: pretty ugly. It's not like we all showed.
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: Up and was like, this is epic. This sounds so good.
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: I did. I sounded really great. But these guys.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: No comment.
• 12:24
  Speaker 4: No comment.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: No comment.
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: Let's just say that. All right, keep going.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: But that kind of knocked all the rust off. When
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: we kind of came back at it this year... At least,
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think some of those things were just
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: second nature again. Like, I didn't have to think about
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: what I played 20 years ago because I just played
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: it a few months ago and already had to figure
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: it out again. But like, and then just like that feeling,
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: it's one thing to have like five people, well, now
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: we have six, we added a guitar player, like play
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: their parts correctly, but it's a whole nother thing. And
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: if you've been to festivals where bands reunited, you may
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: think like, man, it's, it's okay, but it doesn't sound
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: like I remember it. And it's because like gelling and
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: being a band again, it just takes time and repetition.
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: Like we we've said that about ourselves, so I'm not
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: throwing shade anywhere, but like when we've done those one-offs
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: and those special things, just like, man, it just, it,
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: you know, like we don't feel like a band yet.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Cause we just put in three days of rehearsal and
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: did the show and But now this year, like, I
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: feel like we can show up anywhere just like it
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: was 2002.
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: Just freaking slay.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: Go have fun.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: Rip us that for a while.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: Not really.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: That's the thing. It's moved back.
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: This is what's been fascinating and I'm really grateful for
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: is muscle memory and the gift of muscle memory. Because
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: I'm like, every time I think about a part, I'm like,
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: I have no idea where I'm at, but. when I
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: just will lean into just like, like just what I
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: know to do. And so it's, it's fun to have
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: that come back. And that's when, to me, I've started feeling,
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: you know, like so comfortable again, uh, on the stage.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: I bet you feel like Steph Curry shooting a basketball
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: It's just like, yeah, it's just like, it's all over you, man.
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: Just everyone sinking through.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: Easy, easy.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: It is crazy how like, and there's so much to
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: be said about this, I'm sure, but it is one
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: of those things where like, Uh, music, especially like, like
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: creating music in any instrument, whatever it might be. It
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: just like, it seeps into your bones where you truly
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: like your body knows these songs. Like, I mean, we
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: see this all the time with people who have Alzheimer's,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: like they won't remember a thing about anything. Like they
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: couldn't even remember what like a spoon is called, but
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: what they will remember is like the music that shaped
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: their lives. Like maybe it's church music or whatever it
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: might be. like the music that they've heard over and
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: over and over again, they will, you could start playing
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: that music and they'll, they don't remember anything else, but
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: they'll remember the lyrics of that song or they, or
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: you can put them in front of a piano and
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: they start playing like Amazing Grace or whatever it is.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Like they just, they know that music and it's super
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: cool how music like truly inhabits us in that way. Yeah.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: I literally just saw, she was like a world-class ballerina
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: in like, I don't.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Know, the fifties or something. And she has all this time.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Did you, Did you see that?
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: And they started playing the song and she's like, she
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: starts doing all these movements and she couldn't even hardly
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: put a spoon to her mouth, but it's amazing.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: It's beautiful. So yeah, it's crazy how the gift of that,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. It's absolutely lovely. Uh, it's just one of the,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: like the beautiful things about being a human being, I think.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: So Sam is experiencing that music theory.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: He's like, I can remember it all.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: I remember, yeah, it comes back.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: I don't remember my children's names, but.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I start dancing. I know how to get
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: on a amp and jump off again.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I'd love to hear more about this because there have
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: been a number of artists that have played Furnace Fest
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: that have sort of more or less come back because
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: of Furnace Fest. And they have mentioned this before where
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Furnace Fest.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Was a sort of gateway or like a catalyst for
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: them to sort of think, well, maybe there's something here.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Like maybe it turns into like releasing new music. Maybe
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: it turns into playing more shows, but there's something about
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: like the, a band not being active for a while
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: and then Furnace Fest, like kind of bringing them back
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: and then them thinking.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe there's something here.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Like this is really fun. It's fun to play shows again.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: It's fun to be creative again. And I'm curious for
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: you guys, obviously it sounds like that was a huge
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: part of why now there's new music and you guys
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: have been playing a lot of shows. I don't know
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: if you have any more reflections on that, but there's
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a cool dynamic of FurnaceFest. that doesn't seem to exist
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: in any other kind of festival. Like very few festivals
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: of any are doing that where they're bringing people back.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And then it ends up being like the catalyst for
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: those bands playing new music or, or, or, you know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: playing shows again. So anyway, I don't know if you
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: have any reflections on that, but I think that's a
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: really cool thing.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was definitely a fun, it was definitely
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: a moment for us. I think, you know, I think
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: we had, we had already been talking about like, some
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: of the things that have happened this year but it
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: was more like we're open to it we don't really
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: know how that's gonna work out and i think furnace
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: fest probably kind of put us over the edge to be.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Honest had we started talking about recording yet mylam at
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: that point i don't even know if we had been
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: that no we were just talking like doing shows maybe
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: like that really was a catalyst for hey let's do
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: some shows but yeah yeah so Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: But it was so fun. Yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And just like so many people together. Yeah. Like
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: we just hadn't done anything like that really since we
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: quit like a festival and then like seeing a lot
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: of people we hadn't seen in 20 years. And yeah,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: everybody was just so supportive because like, especially at things
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: like furnace fest and, and to a certain extent, even
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: back in the day, at Cornerstone, like we always felt
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: a bit like a stepchild because we weren't a hardcore
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: band and we weren't punk pop. We weren't like emo.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Like we were, we were kind of this other thing.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Like we weren't like in the, the tooth and nail
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: like scene, even though we were label mates with all
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: those folks. And so we were, I mean, we were
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: all kind of thinking like, is anybody going to care
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: that we're in an at furnace this year? And we
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: got really surprised because, it seemed like a lot of
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: people cared and remembered us.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: So many of the bands.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I saw this gal coming, coming out of your guys'
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: show that was weeping. And I just looked at Mason
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: and I said, what a nerd.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: No, but for real, like there was actually a gal
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: that was weeping. I didn't actually say that to Mason,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: but I thought that was, I thought that was absolutely
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: just like one of the coolest things. Cause I saw
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of shows that weekend. And I didn't see
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: a whole lot of weeping, but there was at Bleach.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: But that's what made Furnace Fest so special. Again, the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: bands that were kind of coming out of retirement, if
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you will, which Sam, now your grandpa, might be literally true.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: It's legit. Yeah, it's legit. I'm not that far off, boys.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But it really is one of those things that just
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: made it really special. Who knows if these kind of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: bands will ever, ever play together.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: And so like it truly was like once in a
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: lifetime opportunity to see some of these type of shows.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, it's just really cool how
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: even though it felt like once in a lifetime opportunity
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: for a lot of these bands and for fans to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: see these bands. in a lot of cases, not every time,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: but like in a lot of cases, it turned into
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a thing where it was like, well, maybe you actually
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: are going to see these bands more often now. And
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I just, I love that. Like, it's like, it's gotta
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: like feel really cool to be in a band where
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: you haven't been active for a while. And maybe the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: last time you were active was in your twenties when
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you had, when you had all the energy and capacity
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to do that. And then like 20 years later, now
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in your, in your forties or however old you are
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: at that point, to like come back and to just
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: feel that energy again, like that you felt when you're
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: in your twenties, like that, that just like inner, like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: for you individually has got to be like cool of like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, like people are watching us play and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: it's like, people are enjoying it and they're moshing around
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: or they're weeping or whatever it's going on.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: And like, that's what it was like 20 years ago.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And people are still doing it. Like, that's just got
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to like reignite something of, uh, of you wanting to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: feel like that kind of chase that dream again that
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you were chasing when you were 20 years old.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: And that's, what's been really neat as we've done these shows. That's,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: what's been, I think really special about like, as we've
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: toured this year is, and for me, I think a
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: lot of that did start at Furnace Fest. It was
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: just hanging out at like, we played our set, like
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: we hung out before. We've always just kind of like
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: hung out and like, you know, child always tried to
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: be available and, so we're hanging out and people just
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: come up and share stories and like things like, you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: things that you have no idea about, like how some
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: song or moment, a conversation you had with them as
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: a teenager, like carried on for, you know, years, 20
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: years later.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And it was really important and it mattered.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: And to you, it's just a, it's just a moment
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: at a show, you know, sometimes is how it can be. So,
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: but being on this side of it now and, being
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: able to slow down and, you know, having kids that
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: are adults and not, you know, just like seeing life
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: a little differently to those stories mean so much. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: so I, that started at furnace fest for me. And
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: so I think I've really enjoyed that as we've toured
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: and it's been amazing to have, like, there's kids coming
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: up to us, literally. It's like this generational, our shows
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: have been this generational like kind of thing where it's,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: you know, our songs have been the soundtrack of a
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: kid's life and they never thought they would see a
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: bleach show because we were done before they were born,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: you know, and, and kind of disappeared, you know, for
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: all intents and purposes. So it's been really cool to
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: hear those stories and to see those, um, I don't know.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: It's just so meaningful for us as, as meaningful, I
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: hope as in what it sounds like it's been for people.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: It's been that for us too.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: So, yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: You guys, you guys moved from like, Oh, we're the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: cool trendy band to now. Hey, do you want to,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it's not even dad rock anymore. It's grandpa rock clearly. Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: That's it, man.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: And it was so fun though, is, you know, I've
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: shared this is like, it's really cool.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Like there's this weird meeting of generations. I think that's happening.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Cause like our generation, like.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: You know, I think we have this nostalgia for it's
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: simpler time where like, you know, we, we were alive
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: before really kind of the internet was a thing. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: way before socials and cell phones and our kids didn't,
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: they've never existed when that stuff wasn't around. And so
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: I think they dream of a simpler kind of idea.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: And so there's this cool like moment that's happening right now.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: I think that's kind of transcending generations where like, Hey,
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: we all want something real. And, and so it's cool
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: to see that it's cool to kind of, you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: see that happening.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: So, yeah. Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Love that along those lines I had a a funny
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: interaction the last show we played because this this dad
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and his son came up to me after the show
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and they had driven 13 hours from Manitoba Canada to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee and the dad was just like introduce yourself and
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: this kid's name.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Is Mike no way yeah and.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: He's 13 and that's the third Milam I've met. Like there's,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: there's two others. And I didn't know about the Canadian Milam.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: And they were, and they were both last week and
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: they were both named after you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: That's wild.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Which is wild.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Three so far. Now the dad was like downplaying it. Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: We took pictures. I gave him some tips on having
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: a weird name, but I'm not saying that like, they
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: named me after, you know, they did use my name
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and they heard the name because of bleach, but like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: it's just.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Because of your striking good looks. They picked out the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: one that looked the best.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: They're like, if we want, if we want, if we
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: want good chances for this kid in life, we got
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to name him Milam.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Milam it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Is.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: That's hilarious.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Got to play your cards right.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: I thought that was funny, but like, it's totally hilarious.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: If we weren't doing this, I mean, I don't know
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: if I would ever find those things.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: That's all right. Exactly.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you guys have met people where like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: they've got lyrics tattooed or whatever, you know, maybe there's
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: like some artwork or whatever from, you know, one of
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the albums or whatever it is. But like, I'm sure
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you guys are like meeting people like that where, yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: it's just like you may, because there was like basically
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: 20 years of sort of nothing happening that like, 20
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: years later you get to re-encounter this of like, Oh
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: my goodness. Like for 20 years, there has been like
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a whole development of, uh, or the whole history of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: people like really caring about this, where it really impacted
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: their life, where they're, you know, putting it, you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a tattoo on their body or they're naming their kid after,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: after a band member or whatever it is. Like, like
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you don't realize that when there's 20 years removed, Like
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it sort of probably becomes kind of this thing you
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: just like put away in the closet and you forget
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: about it. But like when you sort of reemerge it,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you realize like, oh, wow, this like actually really means
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: not only a lot for us, but means a lot
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to a lot of people where you get the people
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that are even crying at your shows, which is it's
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: got to be like really special.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: That's been mind boggling. And because, well, cause I, it's interesting.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: We, I had that the other, the other night in
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Chicago with a gentleman, he was just really overwhelmed, like
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: with emotion. And of course that's not something we're used
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: to necessarily in our day to day.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: You know, and so, but it was, it was, it
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: was a really beautiful moment. Cause that's like, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: I feel the same way a lot of times that
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: like people care about these songs that we wrote when
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: we were kids or, or whatever, and that they've meant
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: something in a really deep, meaningful way, or that it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: legitimately impacted people's lives. That's the stuff I don't think
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: I could have, that I could have context or understanding
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: for even when we stopped is how, how much that
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: might impact, you know, or whatever.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Like, so yeah, it's, it's.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Made all the, those little small moments so much bigger,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: like it's so much more important. And those like realizing
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: those are the, those are the wise. So, so often
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: that we were out there, the songs were fun and
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: that got everybody there, but the real why was a
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: lot of these real small moments.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So I love that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: That's cool. So this new record then it's, where's it
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: inspired from? Where does it, where does it come from
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: for both of you guys?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Well, the first thing that we've done is the Foxton
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: sessions and it's really rethinks of the, of old songs, right? It's,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: it's redos of, of kind of really, it's a couple
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: songs from every record. The things that I think has
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: always been, uh, I don't know, I don't know whether
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: it's good or bad or just, just what it is,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: but is, you know, we always had different producers, uh,
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: on records. And so every record kind of sounds different
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: than the one before. So it was kind of like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: you might not know, like we didn't really give people
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: a real trajectory of what to expect or, and so,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: and there's great things with that and there's challenges that
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: come with that. But the thing that I've really enjoyed,
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: I think we've enjoyed is hearing these songs. I think
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: how they were envisioned and then how we play them
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: live and really capturing that on.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: These recordings, you know? And so it's really fun to
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: hear that energy.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: What were you going to.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Say, bud? I mean, the biggest thing for me, honestly,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was having played almost all the songs on this album.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I say almost because there's definitely one song that I
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: never played.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: In my life.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Because I joined the band in 2000. And so I
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: was only writing and playing on the last three albums.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: And so this was a lot of fun for me
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: because I got to actually play Heartbeat and super good
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: feeling and like these songs that existed before I was
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: in the band. And, and they're the way we've been
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: playing them probably since 2000. But, you know, every player,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you know, like there's something that happens with like this
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: group of people. And also just the tones are like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it sounds so good. And that's, that's a credit to
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Jared Fox who recorded and produced it with us. Like,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: and so like, we really wanted people to hear the
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: 26th version of all these songs and be like, Whoa,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: like I'm so glad they made this because this is
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: a hundred times better than the 96th version of this song.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: And as it should be, I mean, 30 years have passed, but, um,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: that was a blast. And the other thing, like going
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: back to what we were saying earlier, um, I mean,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: we tracked almost all of this completely live in the
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: same room.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, wow.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: It is not a live album. And we always like
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: to do things that way. We like things to be hard. Like,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: you know, we tracked one of our records to two-inch
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: tape live, at least all the basic tracks live. And that's, like,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I'm so proud of that record because I know how
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: hard that.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: Is to play.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very difficult.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You can't just, like, you've got to be really tight
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: as a band and really have it dialed before you
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: hit record because there's no process where you're just moving
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the good stuff around and dumping the bad stuff. So
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: this was a lot of fun and it went so quick. Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Because.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you know, again, it's muscle memory. Like we, we know
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: these songs we've been playing.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: And to Jared's credit.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: We've played them for years, but not in a lot
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: of years.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: But to Jared's credit too, Jared was so, cause he
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: and Davey had been talking about like, Jared had been like, Hey,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: let's do something, you know, for like the last 10
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: or 15 years, you know, just kind of casually. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: then as we started talking about this, we, we decided
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: to do a couple songs, which we did baseline and
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: sun stand still. Those are actually one take captures. So
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: that's what you hear on that is there's no overdubs.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Like that's a live. Everything else was captured that way.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: And then we overdubbed like, I mean, even the vocals
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: on those two songs we did live. Those are live captures,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: background vocals and main vocal. So it was really fun
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: to hear that, you know. But Jared is such a,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: he's such a really, he's such a laid back, Like
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: we would go in part of his brilliance is, uh,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: to Milam's point, we're all real kind of, there's a
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: lot going on. And, and, and if you can get
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: us focused, I think we really are, are, are, are great.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: But Jared did some pre-work like had the drums dialed in.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: So all we had to do is come in, you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: do a little bit of dialing in on our guitar
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: tones and then start recording.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: But it just felt like we were kind of like
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: the first.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: Day is, of just where you're just kind of warming up,
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: but we were actually capturing like the record during those takes. So,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: so it just was a fun, easy buds hanging out
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: in the studio, just enjoying it. And, and so fun
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: to hear like these songs for me as original writers
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: of these, like as they've morphed since, you know, adding
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: you know, Milam and Jared and these other guys into
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: it and the flavor that they've brought to all these
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: songs and just how they made them so much better
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: and just accentuated all that. And now adding Pete Prevost.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: In the band.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: One of the things that came to mind right away when,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if I knew that the background
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of the production of how, how you all were recording
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: all of this, Which makes this even more impressive to me.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: When I first heard this, to me it sounded like
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: these are songs that would have, like had they come
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: out 30 years ago or 25 years ago or whenever,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: they sound like the biggest budget 90s alternative, early 2000s
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: alternative songs. And like the way and like to me,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the fact that like a lot of this was like
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: done even live is like a testament to like, first off,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like how tight of a group you are. But also
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: just like where we're at with recording and producing all
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of that stuff. Like it's just like it sounds to me.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, my God, this is this is stuff
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that would have cost millions of dollars to produce like 25,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: 30 years ago. And you guys were able to do this, like,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: just as like, ah, we're just hanging out and we're
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: able to make that. Like, it's crazy.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: It's cool.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Like how, like how much production has like kind of, uh,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, moved along with that. Uh, and obviously again,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a huge testament to that is like, you guys are
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: just tight and you guys know what you're doing. And
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: also like the technology of it. It's like, it's so
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: cool that that's even a possibility to make this sound
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: really authentic to what you guys are, but also kind
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of bring it to the kind of production that I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: think it deserves.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Thanks, man.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: It has been over a quarter century, just so you know.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: True.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: That is true. We've got grandpas on the podcast. It's
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: been a quarter century.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: That's like one quarter of a hundred years, boys. That's
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: a long time.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: It's more than that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: But I think part of that, too, and something that
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I've really noticed in these tracks, and I'm really excited
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: for people to hear as these songs come out and
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: listen for, and I think as you hear the old
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: versions versus these, is one of the things that Pete
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: is so good at And it's what I think is
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: part of what makes it sound like the million dollar track,
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: like the next level thing is he's so good at
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: finding these little melody parts like guitar parts that just
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: take a song because I hear like perfect family.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I've heard it a billion times. Right. I mean, like.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: And he adds– there's these little parts that he added
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: that I'm like, just lift that song to the next level.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: So whether it's just it needed another guitar or whether–
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: but I think it's a lot of Pete's brilliance in
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: the way that he thinks about songs and parts. So
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: I'm really excited for people to hear that too.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool. I noticed that the harmonies and background
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: vocals have– so much more of a warm quality to
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: it that I, I really appreciate it. I know that's
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: a very small aspect of things, but I, I, that
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: was the first thing that like really piqued my, my
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: interest first and foremost. I don't know. I thought that
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: was cool.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Well, David, David and I do a lot of, I
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: actually do a ton of co melody and harmony.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: And a lot of times in like the other records,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: it would be more underneath, which is totally great.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: And it would be more of.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Kind of a, but a lot of like a lot
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: of times I'm singing with Davey. And so I think
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: having some of that bumped up more in the mix
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: and like some of the falsetto, the falsetto stuff I
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: think would get, you kind of miss it sometimes.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: And so we really tried to make that stuff more present.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: So thank you, man. That's cool. I'm glad you picked
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: up on that. That's rad.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I dug it. Yeah, it's good.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Thanks bro.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: The whole thing is amazing. So along the line, so
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: obviously a lot of these songs, uh, are, you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: it's just, it's a lot of like sort of re-recording
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: of older songs. I know you guys had talked a
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: little bit about, you know, there's like new writing and everything.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So I'd love to hear just kind of like, you know, what,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: what's the future of Bleach when it comes to, yeah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like new songs that we could maybe potentially expect if,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: if that's a possibility. Yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Well, we've been talking, we have, I think some ideas
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: it's because this year we learned a lot. 2026 was
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: a year of learning for us, you know, because, like
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: I said, like we've talked about, like we kind of
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: stopped in oh four. And I think my space, it
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: was out like a week when we quit or something.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: So like social, like it was like crazy. The timing's nuts.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: And so we were just kind of like gone, you know?
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: And so what we.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: You got out at the right time.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: We'll say that. Yeah, exactly.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: But you kind of disappear then and you don't really
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: engage it. Like you kind of disappear. And so unless
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: you followed us at all, like you didn't really know.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: And so, I think part of our assumption and maybe fair,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: maybe unfair was that as we put, as we just
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: started to announce shows that, you know, people would find
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: out about it. And it's just, it hasn't been as
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: easy as that. We realized kind of got the cart
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: before the horse. Maybe we should put, had some music
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: out first. And so 27, we're looking at like, you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: really focusing on, on, on music, less shows doing more
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: like maybe working on new music, and volume two for
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: the Foxton sessions of some more songs.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: So it's kind of just kind of, I mean, there's
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: no hard plan yet, but that's what we've been talking about.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: And anything else, Milam, that we were throwing around?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, we're definitely not
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: opposed to new music. And the reason, I think in
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: a way, like doing it the way we have has
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: been good because we've remembered how to be a band again.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And I think that's important because one of the, one
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: of the things like, yeah, we've, we've, we've had nights
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: where we've sitting down and like sat down and wrote
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: and went through some ideas and everybody's got, you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: decades worth of like ideas. But I think playing shows
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: was kind of like, you remember like, Oh, this is
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: like the band, like this is what we do. And
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: we do this thing pretty well. And so it's, kind
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: of remembering how to write a Bleach song again. You know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: because like I've written a lot of stuff that probably
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't fit this band.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: We all have.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: A lot of different things. I think this has kind
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: of been good. I wish we had a new single
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: out that was like 2026 Bleach. We just haven't gotten
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: there yet, but I think it's been good because we're
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: planning on dedicating some time in the next year to
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Doing that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And you guys are big Polka fans, right? That's
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: what the new tunes are all going to be? Just
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Polka music?
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Polka, bro.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Lawrence Welk style.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: A little weird influence.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Deep in it. Deep in it.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: My parents will be there if that's the case.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: I had a Polish buddy in high school, Adam Gryzlak.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: If you're out there, bro, I love you.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Gryz. The Gryz, man.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: His mom and dad owned a big cabinet company in Indianapolis.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: But they would throw this Polish hoedown party every year
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: in downtown India we would go to, and it was
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: the wildest, most fun. Like polka, like, beer fest you've
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: ever been like friggin hot dog or whatever brats like
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: the crazy stuff man kielbasa i love going yeah kielbasa
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: all of them yeah schnitzel if we did.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: All the stuff then all like sam's peers.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: All my all my all my indiana people would be.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: There yeah yeah the nursing home it's more german side.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Of it yeah The real Bleach fans come out, right?
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: That's right. That's right. Yep.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: So, which is funny enough, we haven't been to Indiana yet,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: which we need to play an Indiana show.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Wait, what?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: You guys haven't been to Indiana yet?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Not yet.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Not yet.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: We haven't played in India yet.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: That's wild. You guys have race cars on one of
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: your album covers.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: You have to be in Indiana at some point.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: And Davey and I are from Indiana. So, yeah.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: They don't make no sense.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I love India. I've spent many, many hours, many days
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: in India. So it's a lovely, lovely city.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: It's a cool town.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Lovely, lovely state. I do want to ask before we
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: dive into guilty pleasures and all of that, I'd love
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to talk just about like, I've kind of told you
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: guys about this before we started recording, you know, knowing
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that you guys, you know, were in the tooth and
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: nail scene. You were at the forefront for even a
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: couple albums. Obviously, you guys have been largely labeled as
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a Christian band, marketed as a Christian band. And something
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I love to ask, especially for bands that have been
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: around for a while and maybe now have been able
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to be disconnected from that world for a long enough
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: time that they can have a different relationship to that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm just curious, what was your relationship to that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: being marketed as a Christian band at that time, back in,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you know, or late nineties, early two thousands. And then like,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: what would you say your relationship to that kind of
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: marketing or scene or whatever you would want to think
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: about it? Uh, what, what do you think about it now? Uh,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: and obviously it's super open and like literally there's no
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: judgment that we're not trying to corner you of like,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you know, but whatever, but like, it's just, to me,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that's like an interesting thing to see like growth or
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: change or evolution on any of that for anyone. Yeah.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: You want to go first, Sam?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. You go for it. I'll
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: think about kind of what I want to say.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, where my brain goes there is like
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: when we were coming up, there was definitely a lot
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: of expectations and different things, like a lot of baggage
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: came along with that. that felt really limiting to us
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: at the time. Um, because we would do mainstream shows,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: we would play clubs, but then the next night we
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: might be at the youth conference in Gatlinburg, you know, with,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: you know, 4,000 killed kids wearing VeggieTales t-shirts. And so like,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: we kind of like, and we were fine with, with
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: all of it. You know, I would say like, we
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: weren't too, too cool for that youth, youth group crowd. Um,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: but we also wanted to be taken seriously as a
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: rock band. Like we, we cared about the art and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: like how we were presenting ourselves and doing music. And,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of, there's a lot of weirdness
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: that comes along with that Christian, you know, marketing to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: be quite honest, like none of that world exists anymore
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: in my mind, because there's really not Christian rock or
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: alternative or punk or anything. And so, you know, it
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: was kind of this tight fraternity of bands that we
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: would constantly run into each other and tour with each
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: other and like cheer each other on when, when big
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: things would happen. And that just doesn't exist anymore. And
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: that's kind of sad to me because there was, there
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: was kind of a form of accountability in some ways
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: and not the weird ways, but like we were kind
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: of all in it together. And now it's like, yeah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that doesn't really exist. And yeah, You know, I think that, like,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: my feelings about it now, I'm kind of glad, because
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this the last week or so,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: that we released Sun Stands Still as a single, because
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's a really, it's a very faith-forward song.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: It's literally based on scripture of, you know, the sun
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: standing still for Gideon. So, like, we.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Like that's our version of like a praise song. But
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: if you listen to that riff and that music, like
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: it sounds nothing like anything in that world. And I
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: can say that cause I didn't write that song. Like
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that was one of the songs that I just got
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: to like put my mark on this year for the
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: first time on a record. It's a song we've always
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: played live and always kind of a, for me, like
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: a peak moment in the show, because it's like, you know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the ending of it is just hallelujah, Jesus, you're the one,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: you're the holder of the sun. And it's always just
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: a moment because I do follow Jesus. And I think
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that being able to do that in our way is
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: still really special, no matter what anybody calls it, you know, like,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Apple Music and Spotify might still have the category, but
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think what we do is what people think
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: of as Christian music right now. And maybe that could
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: be a good thing. Maybe they'll run across it in
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: some way.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: On some playlist. They'll probably run across it on the
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Dance Praise game.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Christian DDR. Wow, 2027.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of answer that was. That's good, man.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: I think it's really good. It's interesting because when you're
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: in it, it's just good and bad. Because you have
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: this kind of world that's.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: All... We.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Talk a lot of Jesus talk, but it's kind of
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: run by not Jesus people, but there's a lot of
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: Jesus people in the upline that really believe in it.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: So it's this weird mixed bag, you know? And so
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: I think that's.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: How it used to be, you know, and I know
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: probably it still is, but as we've entered it this time,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: you know, we've kind of entered it from a different,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: in a different way and are doing it more independently. And, um,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: you know, we've, we've signed a distribution deal with residents, uh,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: which is a distribution through centricity, but everything else, uh,
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: you know, we're kind of doing, doing on our own.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: And it's great.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: Cause you know, a couple of the guys that worked
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: at labels or run labels. And so, you know, we,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of knowledge there and kind of put,
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: trying to put the right team around that. But I
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: think part of, we've always tried to be like, Hey,
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: rather than just, you know, gripe and bitch and moan
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: about stuff, like let's try and do things to, to
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: do it a little different. And so this time I
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: hope we're trying to like, even as we acknowledge the
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: things that have been hard and suck and should change,
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: but also like, Hey, we're trying to do something different
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: and bring a different, a different.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Way of maybe doing it too. You know?
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: So, uh, yeah.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So, and I'm, I'm grateful for it. It's weird.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: Cause I have a, I have, you know, there's things
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: that I'm grateful for and there's things I learned, there's
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: things that were really hard and things I wish could
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: be thrown away and never existed.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: But so it's all of that, you know?
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of the general vibe that we hear
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: from a lot of bands is there are certainly the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: negative aspects of being in that market, in that scene
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: for a number of different reasons. And Milam, I think
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you put it in a really interesting and really, I think,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: in a positive way of, the bands that were in
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: that scene and i think even as fans we've experienced
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: this is uh i know you described it as like
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: accountability but it really is more of like you're in
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: something together like you know that like not everybody else
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: gets this and so you know you're sort of like
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you're in something together and we're trying to do something
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: together that not everybody else is going to get and
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the bands are experiencing that the fans are experiencing that
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: especially the you know, those youth group kids and, and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: everybody in the fans and the bands together experiencing that
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: together with each other. And it created a certain kind
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: of community that ended up being, you know, wherever anybody is,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: whether they left Christianity altogether, whether they're super Christian, whatever,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: wherever they're at in, and that continuum and that spectrum,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: like there were, there are people that recognize the beauty
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: of the community that that brought about. And, and I
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: think that is like, what's really cool is like, there,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: there just weren't too many scenes where it's just like,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: you felt like you were really into something together, both
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: with the band and as a fan, like.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: You just, you don't get a lot of that.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: And so that's important. And I think that's important for
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: us developmentally as humans. And, and so I just think
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: that's like such a cool thing that, a lot of
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: people got to experience in the nineties and 2000s.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: It's so good because that's, that's a lot of the
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: kind of feedback and a lot of what we're experiencing
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: when we see the crowd, it's everything from people who would,
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: you know, they're atheists or they're.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Like way far from where they were.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: And people who are, you know, like you said, super
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Christian and way intense and, and everything in between, you know,
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: but it's, it's been really beautiful to see all those
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: people in one room, like, having a good time together
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: and agreeing on something. And it's the community you said,
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: like it's the, it was this camaraderie and community that
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: happened inside of those years.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: It was real beautiful.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: With the fans and bands.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: And I think that's just the beauty of, of that
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: type of community. And it's again, just super important. And so, yeah,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I think you guys totally nailed that right on the head.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: It's just really important and lovely and beautiful. And, Again,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: kind of wherever, regardless of where one is, whether, where they're,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: regardless of where they're at, if they're a band member
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: or a fan, I think that's like what I think
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: all of us can take away is just like how
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: important that community was that it built.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: So, so I appreciate that.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Appreciate that.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. All right.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Are you guys, speaking of community, are you ready to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: be ousted from your community because you're ready to discuss
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: your guilty pleasures and what makes you feel very embarrassed? Yeah.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: I don't get embarrassed very easily.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what they all say. I'm ready.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: I'm ready to go.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, Milam.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I kind of think of this as like, what
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: did I get made fun of that nobody else in
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: my band would like? Because, I mean, those are my
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: closest friends. Here's one that's probably surprising, even even to
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: me to me for me to say that you like
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: them um but hoot hootie in.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: The book oh yeah that's right really good it's a
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: great story though i mean.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I can't get into that but there is a backstory but.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's a good.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: One i'm excited to hear the backstory someday but not
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: today it's.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Okay Yeah, maybe one day. Because it would take a minute.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: And then another big one, Sam's going to know this
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: one for sure. I still listen to this band all
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the time. My wife and my kids give me hell
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: about it, as did everyone when we were driving across
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the country in a van. But Placebo.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: That's a deep cut, man. His voice.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Everybody hates his voice.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: His voice is wild. It's like Rush. You either love
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: it or you hate it, man.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Musically, the band's so cool, but nobody can stand his voice.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I was just all in. I would buy Placebo the
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: day it came out.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: We didn't get that. You're that deep. I didn't get that.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: That's funny.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I have every record. Now I have them
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: on vinyl. but I can't ever listen to them because
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: it's offensive.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Those are good.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: Uh, yeah.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: And maybe another one. Oh, this one.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Do one. That's like really fun to make fun of.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Cause like placebo is kind of a rad deep cut,
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: even though they're like voices.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I know. Well, yeah, but no, yeah, nobody would, would
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: go with me there. But, uh, another one that the
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: guys were just making fun of me for a few
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: months ago. And Jared, who's our drummer, he's my brother.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: And we both love this band. And you may not
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: even remember them. Because they were a one-hit wonder. But
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Seven Mary Three.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Seven Mary Three. Two black and two white.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: Two black and two white. Yeah.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: What's it?
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Cumbasum. Oh, Cumbasum. Remember Cumbasum?
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I definitely know what you're talking about.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: Sounded like Metallica playing a Telecaster. That's what it was.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: It was like James Hetfield playing a Tele, no distortion.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a very strange music video, too. They
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: looked like homeless people out in the middle of the field.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Very low budget.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: It's funny because that song particularly, like that one, I
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: could handle that one.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: But the other ones, I think I struggled with more. Yeah, Cumbersome.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again, it's a vocal.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: So you're saying you like more than just that song?
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: He liked it all.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I never liked that song.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's a real 7th.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: And Harry 3 fan. Yeah, mine's a real fan.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: That guy's going to see them at Furnace Fest.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: That's too cool.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I wonder what they're up to these days.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I cried at their show.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: What are they even up to? Man.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: I haven't.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I should try that one at karaoke sometime.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: That'd be fun.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: You think there'd be even, do you think they even
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: make a karaoke playlist?
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Almost certainly. Almost certainly. Almost certainly.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that was a big, big tune.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: It was a big song. It's gotta be karaoke, man.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: There's a bunch of drunk, drunk middle-aged dudes that love
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: singing cumbersome for sure.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Especially when they're mad.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: Like they got, they had a bad day at work
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: and they're going in there and yeah, they're pounding a
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: couple and singing cumbersome.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: It's funny, Sam, when you were trying... Too black and
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: too white.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: It's like Milo just needs to put a couple Miller
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Highlifes back and then.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: I like Highlife.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Sam, it's funny because when you were trying to explain it,
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: you just went, and I was like.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. You know
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: exactly who I was talking about. Exactly.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: It just immediately came to me. I was like, oh, yeah.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: You know. Yeah. It's a pretty good impression.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm not proud of it.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: It's all right. We all got them, Milo.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: We all got them.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: That's right. I like it.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Those are great picks.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: We all got them.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: It's out of the box.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: Mine are actually, mine's two generations. One is from college.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: And if Davey was here, he would be giving me
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: a bunch of crap for this. And this was, this
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: was one that like, I cried a lot when Angela
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: broke up with me.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. I was going to say, let me guess.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: It was the cherry pop.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Okay. Sorry.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Okay. It wasn't a cherry pop.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: No, no, no way.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: No, this is a, this was a British boy band. Uh, Robbie, Robbie,
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: it was Robbie Williams.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: First band.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: It was called take that. And they had a song called, uh,
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: Back for good. And the chorus is like, I want
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: you back for good.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: That's, it was beautiful. And I love that one. The
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: dudes made so much fun of me.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Tell us what, what, what was your, how do you cry?
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Are you a, are you an ugly crier or are you.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: Just like a pretty much go in the corner? If
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: I'm by myself, if I'm like my, I'm a shower crier. Oh,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: I go in the shower and yeah, yeah.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: I cry in the shower or, or just, I want
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: to be alone. I'm like a dog that wants to
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: just go die by itself when I cry.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: I just want to go be alone.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Don't give me that image right now.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: That's just how it is.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: You just go in the closet in the fetal position?
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Put that take back on?
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, take that on and just ball up in the
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: corner and remember Angie breaking my heart. But the other one, okay,
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: this one's more, I think this was Art Irma. Do
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: you remember the band Savage Garden?
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: I loved a couple of their songs.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: What was the one that said, Chicka Cherry Cola?
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: I wore that first Savage Garden record out. That one's
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: pretty embarrassing. You like good boy bands.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: Dude, I have no shame. Actually, there's a great song.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: I think Baby is a great song. Justin Bieber, his
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: first song, I think it's such a great song. I
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: have no shame.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: I know. I know. The melody of that song. Listen,
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: it's a 50... All it is is a 50s song.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: It's just a 50... It would have been a.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: That is exactly what it is. You're absolutely true. I
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: just drove.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: It's a 50s melody.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: I just drove bus for a bunch of junior high
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: volleyball girls, and they were screaming that in the back
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: of the bus. And I mean.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: They're still singing Baby in middle school?
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Like, middle schoolers are still singing Baby? Okay, get this, Mason.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: This blew my mind.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: It's so old now.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: The.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: There was one song that had come out in the
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: last five years that they sang. They sang probably 30 songs.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: The one song that they sang that came out in
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: the last five years was Pink Pony Club. Everything else
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: was from like 2004 to 2012.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: That's wild.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I will say, and maybe you guys, Milam and Sam,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I'm curious if you have thoughts on this. If you
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: go to like sporting events or just like generally like
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: large events now, if there's any pop music that's being
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: played that's like, you know, more recent, it's still stuff
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: from like the early 2000s to mid 2010s. Like, there's nothing.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Something happened.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: There is nothing. Other than Chapel Roan. Chapel Roan feels
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: like she's kind of the outlier. But there is nothing that's, like,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: maybe Olivia Rodrigo. But that's about it. Like, it's still, like,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: it's still Lady Gaga songs. It's still, like, Emily.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Katy Perry.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: What is it? LMAFO. Yeah, Katy Perry. Obviously, a bunch
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: of Taylor Swift.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Rihanna.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, LMAFO.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Like, it's just, like, so many of those songs still from, like,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: the 2000s, 2010s. that still like still are dominating like
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: the cultural relevance of like pop music. It's crazy how like,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: it just hasn't like advanced since then.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. That's nuts. I hadn't thought about that,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: but you're right.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I think about that. Like literally every time I go
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: to a sporting event, all the music that they play
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: is like stuff that I'm like, that was like my middle,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: that was a song back in middle school.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: They're not like moving on from this.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: That was our graduation song. Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Like they were playing that when I was in middle
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: school at like sporting events.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: And they're now still playing it while I'm not in
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: middle school.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. And nothing newer.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Like it's the new song.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. So, cool. Well, great list.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of these lists. We got some
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: pop punk, or not pop punk, but like pop, you know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: some pop boy bands. Boy bands. And then we got
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: some kind of grungy, you know, cringy, what.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: Would you describe it as? I don't know what they
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: would be called.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Well, there is a very derogatory genre name that I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: recently learned this weekend that I will not.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: Repeat on here.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: But I think especially... Mason, you can say butt rock.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: That's okay. That's not derogatory.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: It's way worse than butt rock.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: It's way worse than butt rock.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Not derogatory.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: It's not even a swear word.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: It's just I'm not going to repeat it right now
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: on air. That's not going to happen. It's not a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: swear word or anything. It's nothing like dirty. It's very derogatory, though.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: I'm just not saying it.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Just not going to say it.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: What do you guys want to pluck? What do you
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: guys want to pluck?
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: It's way worse than that. He's going.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: To keep going until you get it.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: We're going to move on from that. I'll stop recording
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: and then we can talk about it. Sam and Milam,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: what do you guys want to plug? Obviously, the Sessions
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: album is going to be coming out here shortly. I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: know there's a couple singles that have already been out.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: That album's coming out. Obviously, shows are happening or have happened.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: What do you guys want to plug?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: I think it'd be good to talk about even just quickly,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: like October 23rd is when the Foxton volume one drops.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: So we have, we're going to release epidermis girl next.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: Do you know when that drops?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Milam?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: Is that the same day? Is that October 5th?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: It'll probably be out by the time this comes out.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. Okay.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: So, but epidermis will be next and then we'll drop
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: the record with super good feeling at the same time.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: So it'll be October 23rd is when that's going to drop.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: So if we want to, you know, mention that that's coming.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: That would be cool.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: Uh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing coming.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think that's, yeah, that's the main,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: like for sure. I think we can, we can draw. Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Love it. Well, I'm excited for it. Uh, obviously it
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: sounds like even potentially some new music here in the future,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: maybe 2027, maybe a little later than that, but super,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: super stoked. So, Hopefully we'll be able to catch you
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: guys at a show sometime here shortly. Love to see
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you guys play. I just love the fact. I know
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: you guys' handle right now is Bleach is Alive. It
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: really truly feels like Bleach is alive and thriving. I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: love what's happening. I think the world's a better place
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: when Bleach is making music and playing music.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Bleach might be alive, but bleach also kills 99.9% of germs.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: That is true. That is true. It's good for you, too.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: That's got to be on your new shirt. That's got
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: to be on your shirt. Just saying.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: That's right. 99.99.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Bleach is alive and bleach kills. That's right.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, thank you so much, guys, for chatting more
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: about the new music. Yes. Just love the fact that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: new music and Bleach is truly alive.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: That's it, man. Thank you, fellas. Appreciate you guys a lot.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: You too.