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  Speaker 1: Peter Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. Bad news for those battling cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: Inflation spiking back up today, dashing any hopes of a
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  Speaker 2: rate cut for those.
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  Speaker 3: With a mortgage. Now.
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  Speaker 2: What's worse though, confirmation our power bills have gone up
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  Speaker 2: some thirty seven percent, making a mockery of Labour's line
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  Speaker 2: that renewables are cheap. Staying with this issue, Fears growing
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  Speaker 2: today around asbestos in imported wind turbines, as another company
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  Speaker 2: is forced to quarantine a number of turbines in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: The Opposition's rightly demanding the rollout is put on hold
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  Speaker 2: until safety can be assured, but under pressure, Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 2: is refusing to budge. Plus the Senate push for an
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  Speaker 2: inquiry into the ABC. Serious questions are raised about editorial standards.
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  Speaker 2: Will speak with a former ABC employer now politician about
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  Speaker 2: the motion a little later. Another day too for Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bowen to be under pressure in question time over his
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  Speaker 2: new international climate role, as even the Parliament today struggle
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  Speaker 2: to keep.
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  Speaker 3: The LIFs off tensions of seven.
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  Speaker 2: You could not get a better metaphor, could you? Because
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  Speaker 2: it has been a transformed opposition in the Parliament ever
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  Speaker 2: since the Coalition decided finally to drop the net zero
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  Speaker 2: straight jacket, and rightly it's been open season on Chris Bowen,
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  Speaker 2: the part time Energy Minister now and full time President
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  Speaker 2: for UN Climate negotiations. In question time, the focus was
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  Speaker 2: on that shock spike in inflation today, confirmed by the
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  Speaker 2: latest release of data from the Bureau of Statistics, and
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  Speaker 2: in particular the thirty seven percent rise in power prices,
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  Speaker 2: the direct result of government subsidies starting to come off,
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  Speaker 2: subsidies that were only there to mask the impact on
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  Speaker 2: power prices of the government's emissions obsession. Prime Minister promised
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  Speaker 2: the Australian people that we had turned the corner on inflation.
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister, why do Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Have to pay the price for Labour's economic failure?
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  Speaker 4: Twenty nine days before Christmas? What does the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 4: have to say to struggling mortgage holders facing no rate
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  Speaker 4: relief in sight?
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  Speaker 2: The cost of living crist has been endured by Australian
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  Speaker 2: families is at least in part the Albanezy Government's fault.
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  Speaker 2: Its insistence on the world's fastest renewables rollout, requiring at
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  Speaker 2: least ten thousand kilometers of new transmission lines, all of
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  Speaker 2: which has to be paid for. Is at the heart
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  Speaker 2: of the pain in your pocket. But there's a much
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  Speaker 2: bigger catastrophe coming and it's certainly not more extreme weather events,
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  Speaker 2: given they've always been a feature in this country, storms, floods,
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  Speaker 2: droughts and fires. Now it's the economic catastrophe, the extreme
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  Speaker 2: economic events coming if this government.
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  Speaker 3: Gets its way.
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  Speaker 2: Because while the PM at last week's g twenty mening
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  Speaker 2: in South Africa was claiming that Australia would keep exporting
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  Speaker 2: coal and gas, very fossil fuels the world needs, at
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  Speaker 2: the same time as his minister was in South America
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  Speaker 2: at that UN Gabfest signing Australia up to the total
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  Speaker 2: elimination of fossil fuels. In twenty twenty four, we exported
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  Speaker 2: eighty five billion dollars worth of coal and sixty seven
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars worth of gas, making them, after iron ore,
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  Speaker 2: our single biggest exports.
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  Speaker 3: Yet there was Chris.
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  Speaker 2: Bowen declaring that they have to go, have to go
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  Speaker 2: in order to save the planet. Is says with his
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  Speaker 2: decision to sign us up to the UN's latest bit
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  Speaker 2: of nonsense. It's called the Declaration of the Transition away
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  Speaker 2: from Fossil Fuels. Now, if you ever needed proof that
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  Speaker 2: the left hand of his government's got no idea what
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  Speaker 2: the right hand is up to, well there it is.
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  Speaker 2: And it would be a clear case of economic self
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  Speaker 2: harm on an epic scale if Australia were to connive
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  Speaker 2: at the loss of our large, largest export industries a
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  Speaker 2: massive part of our national income by walking away from
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  Speaker 2: colon gas. But that's exactly or very clearly what the
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  Speaker 2: minister has just signed us up to. Now, presumably Bowen
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  Speaker 2: would not have signed us up to this treaty without
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  Speaker 2: cabinet or at least Prime ministerial approval.
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  Speaker 3: But if that's the case, what then was.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi doing at G twenty saying we would keep
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  Speaker 2: exporting colon gas. Maybe this is the surest sign yet
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  Speaker 2: that Bowen is out of step with his party. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: this is a sign that they will shortly find a
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  Speaker 2: way to get rid of Labour's weakest leak link and
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  Speaker 2: its biggest political liability, particularly now the coalition's going to
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  Speaker 2: fight and that fold on energy. It's interesting to note
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  Speaker 2: that after fullsome lead backing Bowen. On Monday yesterday, the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister's office told the Australian newspaper that Bowen would
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  Speaker 2: not he would not be going after all to next
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  Speaker 2: year's April Climate Jamboree in Columbia. And this is a
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  Speaker 2: meeting that is set to debate the phase out of
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  Speaker 2: fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 3: It was going and he wasn't going. And my read
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  Speaker 3: is that.
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  Speaker 2: Bowen's for the high jumpar I mean, he's poison with voters.
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  Speaker 2: Labor hardheads know that this new un gig will be
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  Speaker 2: a way to allow him to dismount with some sort
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  Speaker 2: of an excuse. And while he won't be shown the
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  Speaker 2: door immediately, I can promise you that he will not
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  Speaker 2: be Energy Minister at the next election. The only risk
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  Speaker 2: is what sort of damage is he going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to inflict on us and now the world before
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  Speaker 2: he leaves. Look, as you know, the Albaneze government's weaponization
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  Speaker 2: of the false claim that Linda Reynolds covered up a
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  Speaker 2: rape in her office is starting to blow up in
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  Speaker 2: its face. Two judges have now declared that far from
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  Speaker 2: covering up the rape claim and telling Britney Higgins at
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  Speaker 2: her job depended on not pursuing it. Reynolds instead encouraged
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  Speaker 2: her to go to the police, she offered a counseling.
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  Speaker 3: And she sacked her tormentor.
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  Speaker 2: And yet there's been nothing like the apology that she
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  Speaker 2: is owed by the government for ruining Reynolds's public life,
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  Speaker 2: all for so traumatizing her former chief of staff, Yoanna Brown,
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  Speaker 2: that she hasn't been able to work.
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  Speaker 3: For four years.
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  Speaker 2: It is because of this treatment that both women are
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  Speaker 2: now suing the Commonwealth, and in particular for the way
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  Speaker 2: that the Albanezy government effectively forced Reynolds to settle the
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  Speaker 2: Higgins compensation claim and then paid Higgins two point four
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  Speaker 2: million dollars with alacrity.
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  Speaker 3: And it's this.
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  Speaker 2: Decision, this payout, that looks very suspiciously like a payoff.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big part of the debate for services rendered
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  Speaker 2: or payoff to keep quiet, rather than the routine settlement
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  Speaker 2: of a compensation claim, as if these things ever get
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  Speaker 2: are settled as fast as this one did for so
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  Speaker 2: many many taxpayer millions. And so how do I know
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  Speaker 2: the governments in trouble about what they paid Higgins, how
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  Speaker 2: quickly they paid it, and why they paid it? Well,
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  Speaker 2: Because of the way they are doggedly now defending the
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  Speaker 2: legal claims against them from Reynolds and Brown.
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  Speaker 3: That's why.
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  Speaker 2: Just look at how hard they are fighting this claim
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  Speaker 2: and how quickly they capitulated when the beneficiary was Britney Higgins.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian newspaper reports today that the government has engaged
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  Speaker 2: one of the country's most expensive lawyers. This is Justin
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  Speaker 2: Gleeson SC, who reportedly commands a fee of some twenty
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  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a day. And they've also retained two
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  Speaker 2: other very expensive silks to fight its case against Fiona Brown.
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  Speaker 2: And when one of them, Kate Eastman SC, reportedly charging
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  Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars a day when she turned up at
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  Speaker 2: a direction's hearing, even the judge remarked heavy representation for
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  Speaker 2: a consent order. Now, I'm not sure if you're aware,
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  Speaker 2: but the Commonwealth is not supposed to engage counsel costing
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  Speaker 2: more than five thousand dollars a day without special permission
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  Speaker 2: from the Attorney General. Even then, it's only allowed in
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  Speaker 2: rare circumstances. Yet, when asked about why this money was
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  Speaker 2: being paid, that twenty five thousand dollars a day lawyer hired.
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  Speaker 2: The Attorney General declined to answer on the grounds that
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  Speaker 2: it was quote commercially sensitive. Will you bet it is
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  Speaker 2: sensitive to taxpayers, just as the Prime Minister has been
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  Speaker 2: fobbing off all those questions about the government's role in
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  Speaker 2: these cases. And that express two point four million dollar
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  Speaker 2: payment to Higgins.
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  Speaker 4: A rape occurred in that is what a judge found
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  Speaker 4: on the balance of probability in a ministerial office in
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  Speaker 4: Palmer House.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty big issue.
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  Speaker 5: But isn't it separate to the allegations of a cover up?
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  Speaker 6: I think that's I think that is a pretty big issue.
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  Speaker 5: There isn't two and a half million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 4: You can keep fashioning the same question and you'll get
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  Speaker 4: the same answer.
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  Speaker 2: He's playing a game to what this whole saga stinks?
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  Speaker 2: Trust me, it has a long way to run. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's get the headlines now, Scott and his political reporter
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  Speaker 2: can ridden.
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  Speaker 7: Good evening headline. Inflation has risen to three point eight
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  Speaker 7: percent year on year, driven largely by the cost of energy.
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  Speaker 8: Now, when you have the withdrawal of state energy subsidies,
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  Speaker 8: you're always going to get.
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  Speaker 9: You were always going to get a lift.
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  Speaker 7: Electricity prices fell by ten percent in October due to
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  Speaker 7: catch up rebates in New South Wales and the Act,
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  Speaker 7: but over twelve months there up thirty seven percent.
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  Speaker 4: The government has spent over five billion dollars on energy
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  Speaker 4: subsidies so far. We had the alban Easy Labor Party
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  Speaker 4: promising a two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction household
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  Speaker 4: power bills.
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  Speaker 7: Question time is often derided for being a little dull,
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  Speaker 7: but in the penultimate session of the year, debate got
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  Speaker 7: somewhat dimmer than usual.
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  Speaker 1: Hen she knows hose were of seven.
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  Speaker 7: After about twenty minutes in the dark, the lights came
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  Speaker 7: back on the brief outage caused by an issue with
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  Speaker 7: a local substation. Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Aside from the lights going up there you heard, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the issue today was inflation data. That issue dominated at
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  Speaker 2: the Parliament headline inflation coming in at its highest level
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  Speaker 2: in sixteen months. Joining me now to discuss this and more,
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  Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Director at the IPA and Daniel Wild, Senior
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  Speaker 2: Fellow at the Menzies Research Center, The wonderful Nick cat.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Dan bad News.
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  Speaker 2: Of course we know that number is the number that
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  Speaker 2: the RBA will pay close attention to. Not so much
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  Speaker 2: the headline there, but the underlying inflation number that's also spiked.
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  Speaker 2: That's a problem for the government. It's at its highest
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  Speaker 2: level since December twenty twenty four. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: any chances of a rate cut in the future, well
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  Speaker 2: they're gone.
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  Speaker 10: Look sadly that's the case, Peter. The next move is
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  Speaker 10: likely to be up, not down. There's some banks who
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  Speaker 10: are saying there's going to be a fifty basis point
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  Speaker 10: increase over the next year and a half or so. Now,
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  Speaker 10: obviously that's bad news for mortgage holders, but bad news
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  Speaker 10: for the economy. Higher interest rates mean that the economy
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  Speaker 10: is going to slow down even further.
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  Speaker 1: Now, there's three key causes.
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  Speaker 10: Obviously, there's the energy price increase of over a third
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  Speaker 10: in just a year. You've got this mass migration program
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  Speaker 10: which has been completely unplanned for, which is putting pressure
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  Speaker 10: on supply because there hasn't been the provision of services
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  Speaker 10: we need to keep up with it. And the third
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  Speaker 10: factor is massive government spending. You know, if you look
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  Speaker 10: at the government's own budget figures, these aren't made up figures.
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  Speaker 10: Look at the government's own budget. They're saying that government
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  Speaker 10: spending is going to increase by about three percent in
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  Speaker 10: real terms, but the economy is only going up by
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  Speaker 10: two percent in real terms. So you've got spending that's
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  Speaker 10: growing at one third faster than the economy, and we've
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  Speaker 10: got productivity that's going backwards. Now, productivity is a measure
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  Speaker 10: of how much your economy can actually supply. So when
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  Speaker 10: you're cranking up demand in the context of an economy
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  Speaker 10: that's actually going backwards in terms of its supply capacity.
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  Speaker 1: Well, prices are going to go up. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what's happening, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Nick, Every single time the Treasurer says renewables are cheap,
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  Speaker 2: that the cheapest form of energy, he might be talking
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  Speaker 2: about their generation, he's not talking about getting them to market,
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  Speaker 2: you know, getting them from where the turbine turns or
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  Speaker 2: the sun hits the solar panel, getting it from that
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  Speaker 2: paddock to your PowerPoint. Thirty seven percent increase to power bills.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not telling any of our viewers anything. They don't
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  Speaker 2: know they are power paying for these bills. But surely
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  Speaker 2: the government has got to stop that lie. Given these
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  Speaker 2: stats are coming in month after month and we also
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  Speaker 2: know they promised big at two elections and they have
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  Speaker 2: not delivered.
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  Speaker 8: I think certainly the public are coddoning on to this, Peter,
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  Speaker 8: thanks to a large part because the reminder that comes
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  Speaker 8: through their letter boxes every quarter. But I thought the
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  Speaker 8: interview last night with Matt Kean that was on Sky
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  Speaker 8: News that Andrew cleneld that yeah, very very yeah, very telling,
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  Speaker 8: because Andrew pressed Mat Kean, who is essentially the mouthpiece
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  Speaker 8: for the government on these issues. He pressed him time
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  Speaker 8: and time again. So when will prices come down? And
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  Speaker 8: keene just couldn't say. He obviously could not deny they've
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  Speaker 8: gone up, that the two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 8: reduction of our power bills did not happen, that renewables
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  Speaker 8: are not cheaper at the moment, but could not say
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  Speaker 8: when they would be. So I just think that this
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  Speaker 8: is just collapsing as a narrative, and I think that
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  Speaker 8: it's part of the reason, large part of the reason why,
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  Speaker 8: as you said earlier, Boeing is not long for this position.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to those comments today in the speech at
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  Speaker 2: the Press Club by the Shadow treasure or Tet O'Brien,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought he was very shrewd to make the
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  Speaker 2: point Dan that the budget would be blowing out by
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  Speaker 2: a further one hundred billion dollars over the next decade
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  Speaker 2: if it wasn't for bracket creep. People at home might think,
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  Speaker 2: oh good on. Well, bracket creep just means you are
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  Speaker 2: paying more, that you're falling into another tax bracket just
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  Speaker 2: by natural increases in your wages that are offset anyway
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  Speaker 2: by what you're paying with inflations. So you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is not a good thing. This is coming from your
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  Speaker 2: pocket Australia. And so unless the system, the progressive tax
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  Speaker 2: system is reformed, poor old punters are we paying as
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  Speaker 2: they always do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 10: I mean obviously the Liberal Party is sensitive to having
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  Speaker 10: gone to the last election promising higher taxes rather than
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  Speaker 10: lower taxes. So this is, i think is a way
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  Speaker 10: of them trying to get around that and say, well
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  Speaker 10: Labour's going to crank up your taxes just through bracket
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  Speaker 10: creep alone. I think there's an issue here, which is
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  Speaker 10: that Australia is heavily reliant on income tax compared to
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  Speaker 10: any comparable nation. For our overall tax take, it's one
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  Speaker 10: of the highest of any comparable nation, and that means
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  Speaker 10: that salary earners have to carry the back of.
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  Speaker 1: The entire budget.
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  Speaker 10: I think the other point, Peter, is that we need
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  Speaker 10: our political leaders to start actually talking about economic growth.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when was the last time we had.
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  Speaker 10: A political leader, state or federal talk about growing the economy.
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  Speaker 10: You know, as I mentioned before, the government's own budget
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  Speaker 10: says they're only going to get two and a half
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  Speaker 10: percent real economic growth. Hawk had it at four or
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  Speaker 10: five percent realeconomic growth. How it had it over the
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  Speaker 10: three percents year after year. So the only way we're
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  Speaker 10: going to get out of these problems, the deficit, the
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  Speaker 10: high taxes, is to grow the economy, and we need
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  Speaker 10: to have leaders who are ambitious for that to try
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  Speaker 10: to get to four or five percent real growth once again. Now, yes,
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  Speaker 10: there'll be some in the media who say, well, that's
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  Speaker 10: never going to happen. Those days behind us, but we
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  Speaker 10: can absolutely do it. But to start with, you actually
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  Speaker 10: have to have that as the ambition and as the aim,
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  Speaker 10: and I hope that the coalition has a big, ambitious
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  Speaker 10: economic growth agenda that they take to the public at
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  Speaker 10: the next election.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you can grow the economy.
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  Speaker 2: As Dan rightly says, this is a productivity measure by
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  Speaker 2: getting off the back of small business, by getting off
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  Speaker 2: the back of business broadly cutting red tape, making it
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  Speaker 2: easier to come into Australia and start something up and
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  Speaker 2: hire people and grow and keep the tax burden low.
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  Speaker 2: Or you can grow the economy with the Ponzi scheme
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  Speaker 2: of immigration, which is what they're trying to do, and
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  Speaker 2: they've been doing this now ever since.
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  Speaker 11: Labor got into power. That they'll say all the.
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  Speaker 2: Right things at the election about cutting immigration. By the
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  Speaker 2: end of this year it will be at Australia's highest
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  Speaker 2: level over a twelve month period in history.
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  Speaker 11: So forget what they say, look at what they do.
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  Speaker 2: And of course they're not willing to really do what
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  Speaker 2: they should do and cut spending. You know, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to do some rats andized cuts they say about departments spending,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not going out the big programs. They're not
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  Speaker 2: looking at things like that the welfare system. They're just
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  Speaker 2: going to go through you know, paper clips and staplers
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  Speaker 2: down at that Department of Finance or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: They're not serious about really getting the budget into repair.
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  Speaker 8: No, that's right, and I think what the government is
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  Speaker 8: now facing is the reality coming home after more than
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  Speaker 8: three years in government. In this second term, it's going
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  Speaker 8: to be much much harder for them to pursue the
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  Speaker 8: line that twenty eight percent of GDP spent on government
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  Speaker 8: it doesn't matter, you know, the increase from less than
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  Speaker 8: twenty five percent to twenty eight percent. They were lucky
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  Speaker 8: in the first term because, as you remember, we had
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  Speaker 8: that Great Royalties boom and other things in our favor,
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  Speaker 8: which meant that it didn't really add to gross debt.
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  Speaker 8: And it seemed like they were going to get away
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  Speaker 8: with it, that the new magic economics that they're preaching
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  Speaker 8: was working. But that is not going to work from
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  Speaker 8: now on. We're seeing it with energy prices that our
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  Speaker 8: whole narrative is now destroyed. And we'll see it soon
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  Speaker 8: with this idea that governments can keep on spending as
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  Speaker 8: much as they like and it doesn't matter. It does matter,
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  Speaker 8: and they're beginning to find out about that, and it'll
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: in two years time as we approach the next election.
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: Let's hope the curlish is much fit, because it's going
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: to be a very winnable election.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Now this is a worry.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: We've got a credit ratings downgrade for Tasmania. This is
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: from Moody's downgraded Tasmanian today to the lowest of all
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the Australian states. The treasure at a press conference was
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: asked whether he would have to intervene.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
• 18:33
  Speaker 12: Obviously, I'm aware of development seeing in Tasmania and it's
• 18:37
  Speaker 12: a crucial part of the Commonwealth and a crucial part
• 18:40
  Speaker 12: of our national economy. We haven't been contemplating any kind
• 18:44
  Speaker 12: of bailout for Tasmania.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Dan, The budget in tasi is
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: spare change compared to the mess in Victoria. There it will
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: be two hundred and thirty six billion dollars. If a
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: bail art's required in Victoria, that'll hit the Commonwealth rating.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right. I mean the bailouts are coming. The
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: ballot's already here.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 19:05
  Speaker 10: I mean, Victoria has had an increase to its GST allocation,
• 19:10
  Speaker 10: which means that other states get less because Victoria's economy
• 19:13
  Speaker 10: is just so bad. It's been destroyed. There's no doubt
• 19:16
  Speaker 10: that Tasmania is going to get a bailout. The federal
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: government has also decided to keep underwriting the boondog or
• 19:22
  Speaker 10: suburban railroop giving more money to that, because if the
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: state government was going to try and finance that, you
• 19:27
  Speaker 10: will see a downgrade straight away.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And you know most of your viewers aren't in Victoria.
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: But the reason we talk about Victoria so much is
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: that if Victoria goes down, it's going to drag the
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: entire nation down with it, not just through the bailouts
• 19:39
  Speaker 10: that are going to happen, but through reducing the overall
• 19:42
  Speaker 10: size of the Australian economy. And you know, what happens
• 19:46
  Speaker 10: in Victoria is going to come to another state, whether
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: it's Tasmania or elsewhere. And there's no ambition in Victoria
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: whatsoever to try to fix the budget at all. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: I very much think and particularly when we come towards
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: an election, I guarantee you there's going to be handouts left,
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: right and center into Victoria and Tasmania.
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: Just on that.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: In Victoria breaking news this afternoon, political editor to Shannondari
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: at the Herald Sun says, the government's just announced you're
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: going to have a special sitting of the parliament Victorian
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Parliament on December ninth, and the Premier will get to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: her fee and make a formal apology to the state's
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: indigenous population.
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: Now we have the right apology.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: We've got Reconciliation Week, we've got National Sorry Day, we've
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: got Closing the Gap Day. I mean, really and truly,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: you know you can't open an envelope in Victoria without
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: a welcome to country.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: What on earth will this achieve?
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: Well, it's going to achieve absolutely nothing. Its divisive. Victorians
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: don't want this. Victorians voted no to the Voice. Victorians
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: strongly oppose the treaty by over sixty percent. Oppose the
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: treaty when they understand what is actually in it, as
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: you rightly say in another apology at the state level,
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: won't do anything to fix real problems in indigenous communities
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: in remote areas. So I just think Victorians and Australians
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: are well and truly sick of this. We've seen a
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: sharp turn of the public, a very sharp turn against
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: welcome to country ceremonies and acknowledgement to country and everything
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: else the.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Three flags as well.
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: People are over this and we need the Liberal Party
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: here in Victoria to campaign hard on these issues.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: You're not wrong. We'll leave it there, thank you, gentlemen.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Let's return to the part time Minister, the Energy Minister,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the blackout Bowl. We'll call him now Chris Bowen, because
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: clearly the Coalition's pressure over his new cop role has
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: cut through the Prime Minister's office telling The Australian, as
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I mentioned before, that Bowen will no longer head to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Columbia in April for the International Summit on phasing out
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: fossil fuels. Now, given the discrepancies of late between what
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the Minister's saying and what the Prime Minister's saying on
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the world stage, no doubt that the news of Bowen's
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: grounding is welcome inside labor, but at the again raised
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: concerns about how he is going to juggle thesemultiple roles.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Joined me now to discuss this jeez. We're happy to
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: have him back. National editor at The Australian, Dennis Shanahan,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I know you've sort of partly retired off SKY, but
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I love that you've agreed to come on on an
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: ad hoc basis as you join us tonight. I mean,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you've been scarifying on this role and the conflict it
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: has with a very important job is paid for by
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Australian taxpayers to do, and the issues we've got with
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: our energy system. How on earth is his international gab
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Fest role and his job here in Australia compatible.
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: Well, Peter, it's obviously a very difficult thing to actually
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: do both jobs, and do both jobs well. I mean
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: at the moment, being Energy Minister and Climate Change Minister
• 22:52
  Speaker 13: in Australia is a huge task in itself, so that
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: in itself is a very large job. Now, the government
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: fought for Chris Bowen to become the negotiating President for
• 23:07
  Speaker 13: the Conference of the Party's thirty one next year, which
• 23:12
  Speaker 13: will now be held in Turkey, and that for the
• 23:15
  Speaker 13: next twelve months he will have unlimited powers to be
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: able to draw up negotiations, put in texts, start deals
• 23:24
  Speaker 13: and do all of those discussions as well as and
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: this was the whole point of him getting the job,
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: to promote the Pacific in this role as Climate Change
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: Minister and cop President.
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: Now, this is a big job as well, what.
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: We have seen, and it was incredibly embarrassing for the
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: Government on Monday to actually be arguing that the jobs
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: were compatible, that Chris Bowen wasn't a part time minister
• 23:58
  Speaker 13: in Australia because.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: He wasn't there. He was on his way back from Brazil.
• 24:04
  Speaker 13: It was a terrible political optic and as a result
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: we've seen that the Coalition, which has not been doing
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: very well at all, was actually able to flip the
• 24:19
  Speaker 13: debate in Parliament this week which was meant to be
• 24:23
  Speaker 13: all about Labor attacking the Coalition for dumping the net
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: zero twenty fifty emissions target.
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: Instead it has all had.
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: Been about blackout Bowen or part time minister, and the
• 24:39
  Speaker 13: government in retreat already said no, he's not going to
• 24:42
  Speaker 13: go to Columbia in April, and now saying oh, look
• 24:45
  Speaker 13: it's not really a full time job.
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: They can't have it both ways.
• 24:49
  Speaker 13: It is either a presidential job on a global scene
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: with unlimited powers, or it's just something to fill in
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: the gaps. And I think that the parallels the government
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: have drawn today Chris barn and say, oh, all these
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: other ministers did it and maintained their jobs. But the
• 25:09
  Speaker 13: most telling parallel was the British minister Energy Minister who
• 25:16
  Speaker 13: was appointed as the President for Coop in Glasgow. He
• 25:21
  Speaker 13: gave up the job of Energy Minister. He remained as
• 25:24
  Speaker 13: a cabinet minister, but he took on the role of
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: the COP President for Glasgow full time. The parallels where
• 25:35
  Speaker 13: are false analogies.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: So that's where I was going to go. Dinnis.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: You know, there are people inside the Labor Party who
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: would like to see bowing out of this role. They think,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: intellectually is not up to the difficult task. Now that
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you've got all of these competing interests. You've got large
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: scale businesses like how Tommy goes smelter and others under
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: real pressure. You've got households burning on the issue. You've
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: got a bloke that's disliked.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: In the community.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Now, how can they give him an elegant dismount away
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: from energy? The face savior could be this role that
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: he could sit in cad, that he could have the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: international entree, that we could be seen to sort of
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: fill in the gaps with the Greens, you know, not
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: lose the constituency, the Labor constituency to the Greens by
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: being on the international scale. But give this to someone,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a fresh, new face who's going to get in there,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Particularly now that the coalition has a real policy difference
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with Labor. How likely is it that they'll find a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: way to sort of shuffle bow and sideways.
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: Well, I think at the moment my view is not
• 26:40
  Speaker 13: very likely at all. I think that Labor really had
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: a blind spot on this appointment. What did they expect
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: people were going to think, as domestic energy prices continue
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: to rise and we have someone appointed and you know,
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: the coalition now making fun of him as being El
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: presidente full time, so they were always going to be
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: on a hiding to nothing on this. I think they
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: went all in not realizing that this compromise with Turkey
• 27:13
  Speaker 13: to actually give Chris Bowen a global role has actually
• 27:18
  Speaker 13: cost them a lot domestically politically. And yes, there is
• 27:22
  Speaker 13: you know, a normal thought that perhaps what they should
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: do is maybe split the portfolio. Let Chris Bowen be
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: climate change Minister and the cop president and have somebody
• 27:36
  Speaker 13: else concentrate on energy and be able to split the
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: politics of energy and climate change.
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: And then.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Surely you're saying that's not likely, because I think that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the only way they can handle this.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 27:56
  Speaker 13: I think there are two questions here. First, one, do
• 27:59
  Speaker 13: I think likely?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: No?
• 28:01
  Speaker 13: Do I think what is sensible, and that is, yes,
• 28:04
  Speaker 13: split the roles. But I think that we have now
• 28:07
  Speaker 13: got such a position. There is so much invested in
• 28:11
  Speaker 13: Chris Bowen's argument that he can do both roles that
• 28:16
  Speaker 13: to them split it now after a week of defending
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: it would be a complete reversal and a humiliation of
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: Bowen and Anthony Albinezer.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Right, let's just go to the fiasco this week when
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: you had the Chinese number three arrive in Australia, go
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: to Parliament House and everyone got the memo, you know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: turn off your phone, get off the Wi Fi, shut
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: your door, pull down your blinds. I mean, this is
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: our country. I can imagine going to Beijing and having
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: to take a burn a phone because I have done that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: But how dare we need to shut down comms at
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: our Parliament House because our good mate from Beijing, we
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: fear him so much that he'll siphon up and suck
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: out all of our data on the way out the door.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: At the same time, you've got the Chinese ambassador saying
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: we China would be a great partner with you Australia
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: on the emerging six G technology. Now please, we would
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: be crazy to let them anywhere near our coms network.
• 29:14
  Speaker 13: Dennis, Well, yes, and first of all on the security
• 29:20
  Speaker 13: clamp down on the Wi Fi here, yes, I can remember,
• 29:23
  Speaker 13: you know, making trips to China and being told don't
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: take your phone, don't do this, don't do that. But
• 29:28
  Speaker 13: this is actually here in Canberra, and the fear was
• 29:33
  Speaker 13: the fear was that people traveling with the Chinese number
• 29:38
  Speaker 13: three in China would actually have the ability to be
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: able to suck in all of the stuff around this
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: here in Parliament House, and so wi FI was shut down.
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: This is an extraordinary technological development and a threat to
• 29:56
  Speaker 13: our security. But as far as whether we should consider
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: allowing China a role in six G, I think that
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: one of the few things that Malcolm Turnbull did which
• 30:08
  Speaker 13: was right, which was to shut China out of five G.
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: And the reason was not because they feared that the
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: Chinese may be able to use or they had evidence
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: that the Chinese would use the five G network if
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: they are involved in it, to create all sorts of
• 30:26
  Speaker 13: espionage and so on. No, the reason was that they
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: could be able to deny access. It's a bit like
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: the theory of Chinese electric cars all over the world
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: suddenly going crazy or blowing up at once. It would
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: that the Chinese would be able to cut off deny
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: access to the Australian's six G system. That's why the
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: five G system was banned. It's the same reason now
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: perhaps even more pronounced, as we've seen with the technological
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: advantage advance we've seen from Canberra this week. So I
• 31:03
  Speaker 13: don't think it would be a very good idea.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I hope not.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Even this government is as stupid as we might. Hope
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: they're not to go down this path. We'll leave it there,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and yes, I agree with you. Good on Malcolme Turmil
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: not a lot on his legacy list, but that's a
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: good one. We'll pay that one. Dennis, see you soon.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show after the break.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: While we need a serious inquiry into bias at the ABC,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: plus a bit later on calls to halt new wind
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: farms as a second now foreign manufacturer is drawn into
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the asbestos contamination scare.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Welcome back. Still to come.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: More secrecy over that Britney Higgins compensation payment.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: The government now are refusing.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: To detail how much they're paying these high profile lawyers
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: in their fight against Linda Reynolds, but we know one
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: bloke is twenty five thousand dollars a day. The first
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Liberal senator, former ABC lets herself, Sarah Henderson, moved a
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: motion last night in the Senate to establish a parliamentary
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: inquiry into her former employer. I mean concerns of a
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: lack of impartiality and accuracy at the ABC. Unfortunately that
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: motion was voted down this afternoon. I'm pleased to say, though,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson joins me. Now you've been inside the belly
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: of the beast. Sarah, you're a journalist, you're a lawyer
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: in our obviously a parliamentarian. Why is this inquiry so
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: important to you?
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: Well, Peter, good evening, and it was very disappointing that
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: the motion to establish an inquiry into the ABC's obligations
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: to be impartial and accurate when disseminating news and information
• 32:42
  Speaker 14: was voted down today. There have been many times when
• 32:46
  Speaker 14: the ABC has failed the impartiality test. The ABC also
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: does do some very good work. I don't step away
• 32:52
  Speaker 14: from that at all, Peter. But one of the big
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: issues is that there is a statutory obligation to comply
• 33:00
  Speaker 14: with the fact that every report, every bit of news
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: and information must be accurate and impartial, and when there
• 33:07
  Speaker 14: have been these very big failings, the Government and the
• 33:11
  Speaker 14: Minister for Communications basically turn a blind eye. So we
• 33:15
  Speaker 14: wanted to inquire into this to look at other matters
• 33:19
  Speaker 14: such as the complaints mechanism, the training of journalists, producers, editors.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: And the like.
• 33:25
  Speaker 14: We've seen some pretty shocking fails, even recently, the doctoring
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: of the photograph involving Jane Hume, the hectoring of Susan
• 33:33
  Speaker 14: Lee in an interview she did last week on the
• 33:37
  Speaker 14: seven thirty program, she was interrupted thirty five times by
• 33:41
  Speaker 14: Sarah Ferguson. So the ABC needs to be it's very
• 33:45
  Speaker 14: best at all times, and as I say, very disappointed
• 33:48
  Speaker 14: that this inquiry is not proceeding.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: You know, we've got the census questions out of the
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: census due next year, and there's a whole lot of
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: stuff in there about sexuality and.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: The sex of the person you're attracted to.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I don't understand how that's relevant to government making policy,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: but there it is in the questions. But also I
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: have to say, you know, why don't we have a
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: question there? Do you watch the ABC and do you
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: want to pay for it? And based on how many
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: people then tick a box we fund them accordingly, because
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think they warrant one billion dollars. They do
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: not have, they do not have the audience share.
• 34:32
  Speaker 14: Well, Peter I am a very strong supporter of public
• 34:35
  Speaker 14: broadcasting and the ABC, and including the public funding of
• 34:39
  Speaker 14: the ABC, but I have no issue with that question
• 34:43
  Speaker 14: being asked. Of course, I don't think the government as
• 34:45
  Speaker 14: well disposed to that. But I am very concerned about
• 34:47
  Speaker 14: some of the questions which are emerging in the census
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: in relation to gender identity, because this government clearly has
• 34:55
  Speaker 14: no interest in supporting the rights of women to be
• 34:59
  Speaker 14: safe single sex spaces, the rights of women and girls
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: to compete each against each other in sport. We've now
• 35:07
  Speaker 14: seen the terrible outcome in the Federal court case, the
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: Tickle versus Giggle case, where basically the definition of a
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: woman has been completely expunged from the Sex Discrimination Act.
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: So what I'm concerned about, Peter, We're seeing this activism
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: become more and more aggressive and the rights of women
• 35:27
  Speaker 14: to have those safe protected spaces, including the Lesbian Action Group,
• 35:33
  Speaker 14: which has a separate court proceeding now in the Federal
• 35:36
  Speaker 14: Court after it was denied the right to gather in
• 35:40
  Speaker 14: a women's only group. I mean, this is out of
• 35:43
  Speaker 14: control and I have called very strongly for law reform,
• 35:47
  Speaker 14: particularly in the wake of the interpretation of the Sex
• 35:51
  Speaker 14: Discrimination Act by the Federal Court.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And look you have been from day one. You are
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a terrific supporter of Moiradeemi on this very but at
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: a raft of federal areas. Sarah, you've been outspoken when
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: your party was I think too silent, particularly prior to
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the last election. And we saw her on Monday. You know,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: yes it was a stunt, Paul and Hanson going in
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the burker. Sure, but I mean I worked in the
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Senate for ten years. You've been there a while. The
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Senate is full of stunts. Put that to one side.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I mean the pylon about Hanson I think was reprehensible
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and it obscured the point she was making. Why can't
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: we in Australia have a debate about the most oppressive
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: garb that a woman can ever be forced to wear,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: where her eyes are covered, her faces covered, her expression,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: her humanity is obscured. It's the most oppressive garb in
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the world. Only women are ever forced to wear it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: You never see a man in a burker unless they're
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: trying to do something dodgy, I suppose.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: But if the.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Portuguese Parliament can have this debate only last month and
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: they had the debate and they ended up banning the burker.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Some twenty other country is aband the burker, a lot
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: of them majority Muslim countries. Why can't we have the
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: debate here in Australia, Well.
• 37:11
  Speaker 14: Peter, I agree we should have been able to have
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: that debate and it's very regrettable that someone denied in
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: the Senate. Not of course, the Coalition denied Pauline Hanson
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: the right to introduce her private Senator's bill to debate
• 37:28
  Speaker 14: the banning of the burker. Every single senator has the
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: right to introduce private senator's bill, but too often we've
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: seen Labor and the Crossbench step in and stop those
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: rights being exercised by every single senator. It's also happened
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: to Senator Antique in relation to matters of gender activism,
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: and that's disgraceful. So we strongly opposed the decision made
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: to stop Pauline Hanson debating her private Senator's bill, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: well also opposed the censure motion against Pauline Hanson, but
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: that wasn't clear because Senator Hanson decided not to call
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: a division I think quite deliberately to be fair, And
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: of course our position in relation to the Centre motion
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  Speaker 14: was therefore not evident on the floor of the Senate.
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  Speaker 14: Look it was the use of props are not in order.
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  Speaker 14: But I think underlying that Pauline Hanson was pretty angry
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  Speaker 14: and she had the right to be angry.
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  Speaker 2: Good on you, Sarah, Good on you because some of
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: your colleagues is frank about their support for women here
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  Speaker 2: on this issue in particular. I'll leave it there, thank you.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: After the break, esbestos found in more wind turbines, and
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: this is why people are calling for an immediate holt
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  Speaker 2: to any further any further rollout, plus a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of woke subjects.
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  Speaker 3: Hurting our kids' mental health. Get to that in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: We'll go back to the come words matter of course
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  Speaker 2: with kel Riches on a Wednesday. But first, the College
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  Speaker 2: is causing for a pause in the roll out of
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  Speaker 2: you wind turbines and a national audit after a second
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  Speaker 2: manufacturer was drawn into the asbestos contamination scare. This is
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  Speaker 2: Denmark based Vesta's company and it's quarantined a number of
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  Speaker 2: turbines after a sample from the Golden Planes wind farm
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  Speaker 2: near Geelong tested.
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  Speaker 3: Positive for asbestos.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now National Senator mccanavan, Skinnese contributor to Jamie Rodgers.
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  Speaker 11: Well, now I tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: First it was the Chinese back company, Now it's this
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  Speaker 2: Danish mob. They've also the Danish mob been the subject
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  Speaker 2: of controversy. We have the tragic death of a worker
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  Speaker 2: not so long ago. I mean, is this just a
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  Speaker 2: symptom of labour's mad rush to renewables.
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  Speaker 15: Well, Peter, I think it's like anything in life. When
• 39:45
  Speaker 15: you obsess about one thing, you forget about other important things.
• 39:50
  Speaker 15: You put too much effort in work, lose touch with
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  Speaker 15: your family or your fitness or some other thing that's
• 39:55
  Speaker 15: very important to get right too. And here we've got
• 39:57
  Speaker 15: a situation where the government has been obsessed with hitting
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  Speaker 15: an eighty two percent renewable energy target by twenty thirty
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  Speaker 15: and so it's not surprising and they're letting other things slip.
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  Speaker 15: They're clearly letting slip our energy competitiveess, the cost of
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  Speaker 15: living of Australians, with electricity price inflation hitting and astounding
• 40:15
  Speaker 15: thirty seven percent for the past twelve months. And here
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  Speaker 15: they're seemingly letting slip safety standards on work sites. The
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  Speaker 15: information I've been told Peter from insiders in the industry
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  Speaker 15: is that pretty much every major wind turbine installed in
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  Speaker 15: this country in the last few years has these particular
• 40:34
  Speaker 15: components from the from this one manufacturer that's been found
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  Speaker 15: to have asbestos in now two separate companies. So this
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  Speaker 15: could be an absolute disaster for our country if this
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  Speaker 15: is found. It could be, and God forbid, hopefully it.
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  Speaker 1: Won't be.
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  Speaker 15: A human health disaster for those workers having to work
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: on this. They should never have been subjected to aspestos.
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  Speaker 15: There does need to be now a complete national audit
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  Speaker 15: of those wind turbines using these parts all around the country.
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  Speaker 15: There should be a halt to any further roll out
• 41:05
  Speaker 15: of these products until we can get it right. But
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  Speaker 15: I worry here, Peter, that the government won't do that because,
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  Speaker 15: as I say, they're obsessed, but just totally obsessed renewable energy,
• 41:15
  Speaker 15: and it won't it be the ultimate test here.
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  Speaker 2: I also make a sort of an engineering point when
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: we have the issues of James Hardy related to a
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: sesto planks in home bills, and unless you were doing
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: reno's you tend to not to disturb it. The difficulty
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: here with the wind turbines. As I understand it, this
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: is a sbestos in the brake pads, so if there's
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: any friction with the head of the turbine, it will
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: disrupt and throw out then into the air the asbestos. Now,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: when you think of the reach of some of these
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: towers three hundred meters tall, that's a very big surface
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: area that asbestos could fly across. And you and I
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: both know it's often in grain areas, farming areas, cereal
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: growing areas. It could end up in the food supply,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: it could end up on the workers that are in
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: quite a vast area around these turbines. I think this
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: is a huge issue. I think it's absolutely huge issue.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's got to be pursued in the Parliament. Jamie,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I want to go to another issue though with you.
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  Speaker 2: You wrote a terrific piece in the Telly that we're
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: throwing all these woke topics of our kids at younger
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and younger ages, like climate change which we terrify them with,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: and gender identity which we confuse them with. It's in
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: their curriculum, it's in their kindergarten, but we don't have
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: them ready to deal with these topics when they're thrown
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: at them, and we wonder why, you know, they've got
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: real mental health issues as they grow up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, your spot on there, Peter.
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  Speaker 16: I was recently sitting at New South Wales Parliament House
• 42:42
  Speaker 16: and I was listening to a panel of primary school
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: teachers and these teachers were from schools right across the
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: state and they all sat there talking about the benefits
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: that they've seen in school children who are taught mental fitness,
• 42:54
  Speaker 16: and it just made me think, why is this not
• 42:57
  Speaker 16: something that is in every single school right across the country.
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  Speaker 16: As you just said, we've spoken about this quite a
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: lot on your program, about some of the things that
• 43:05
  Speaker 16: children are being taught in schools. I know with my
• 43:07
  Speaker 16: own children, they are refusing to eat fish because they
• 43:10
  Speaker 16: were told that the ocean is dying and by their
• 43:12
  Speaker 16: eating fish, it's making it worse. So we're teaching children
• 43:15
  Speaker 16: all these really big concepts that they can't quite grasp,
• 43:18
  Speaker 16: especially in Victoria and Tasmania, where children are being taught
• 43:21
  Speaker 16: what to do if you're born in the wrong body.
• 43:23
  Speaker 16: Children are constantly made to feel guilty for being born
• 43:26
  Speaker 16: here and that the land doesn't belong to them. So
• 43:29
  Speaker 16: we need to give children the tools to be able
• 43:31
  Speaker 16: to process this and got your for life. Did some
• 43:34
  Speaker 16: research and found that half of adults when they have
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: mental health challenges, a lot of that had started before
• 43:40
  Speaker 16: they were fourteen. So schools have this golden opportunity to
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: be able to put things into place to ensure that
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: they can nip things in the butt before.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: It gets too serious for them.
• 43:51
  Speaker 16: So by teaching kids, you know, empathy and resilience and
• 43:55
  Speaker 16: how to deal with these big topics, because right now,
• 43:57
  Speaker 16: suicide is the number one cause of death in our country.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: We lose nine.
• 44:01
  Speaker 16: People every single day, and in particular that fourteen to
• 44:04
  Speaker 16: forty four year old bracket. And I just think, Peter,
• 44:07
  Speaker 16: it's been well documented the amount of government waste right now.
• 44:10
  Speaker 16: We talk about the bomb website that cost ninety six
• 44:13
  Speaker 16: million dollars, and all those grants that were announced yesterday
• 44:16
  Speaker 16: in the Australian.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: One that caught my eye was that AI robot.
• 44:20
  Speaker 16: That was going to cost five hundred thousand dollars of
• 44:22
  Speaker 16: tax payers money to see if it could be a comedian.
• 44:25
  Speaker 16: Those sort of funds, it just really shows that the
• 44:27
  Speaker 16: priorities by this government are just all out of whack
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: and I think we really need to take a strong
• 44:33
  Speaker 16: look at this and put this money towards something like
• 44:36
  Speaker 16: mental fitness in schools. It's a life skill, Peter, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 16: I think every single child should be given access to it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I would also like not the cat before the horse stuff,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: but I'd like to I'd also like us to get
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the crap out of the curriculum so we don't have to, yes,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: speak as from zillion as we need to, so they
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: don't commit suicide. Five hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: when you talk about grants, so five hundred and twenty
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars was just paid the one As University
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: by taxpayers to do a study to understand on our
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: quote here pawn creation as a form of digital sexual labor.
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: Let's go to blackout Bowen if I can.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Matt, So he goes to Brazil and he signs this
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: bit of paper that says we're going to walk away
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: from fossil fuels, at almost the exact same time his
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: bosses in South Africa at the G twenty saying yes, absolutely,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: every leader around the table, we're going to keep in
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Australia exporting coal and exporting gas. So the left hand
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what the right hand is doing. I would
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: assume what Bowen signed is up to went to cabinet.
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: Look, Peter, you'd know well that before any minister would
• 45:45
  Speaker 15: go to a major international conference like this, there would
• 45:47
  Speaker 15: almost always be a cabinet discussion about what that minister's
• 45:52
  Speaker 15: writing instructions would be if you like.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: That's what they're sort of call.
• 45:54
  Speaker 15: They're given a scope, if you like, of what they
• 45:56
  Speaker 15: can and cannot agree to on behalf of the country
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: netwould be remarkable if that didn't happen before an international
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: climate conference, which are some of the most major conferences
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: affecting our trade. And so either there's only two options here.
• 46:10
  Speaker 15: Either PM did run a proper process and he's completely
• 46:13
  Speaker 15: ticked off on what Chris Bowen has done in Brazil,
• 46:17
  Speaker 15: or the PM has no idea what his minister did
• 46:19
  Speaker 15: last summer and his minister has what he has signed
• 46:22
  Speaker 15: up to. Here is an agreement that would see the
• 46:25
  Speaker 15: end of Australia's second that is coal and third that
• 46:30
  Speaker 15: is gas.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Largest exports.
• 46:32
  Speaker 15: Coal and gas together last financial year made this country
• 46:35
  Speaker 15: one hundred and fifty billion dollars. They employ tens of
• 46:38
  Speaker 15: thousands of people directly, hundreds of thousands through the supply chain,
• 46:42
  Speaker 15: and these industries are apparently now marked.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: For the chopping block.
• 46:46
  Speaker 15: The workers and those industries are effectively had their death
• 46:49
  Speaker 15: warrants signed, their jobs death warrant signed by Chris Bowen,
• 46:52
  Speaker 15: and the government has no plan to replace them or
• 46:54
  Speaker 15: no economic modeling to show what this would mean for
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: our country. What sort of responsible government would sign agreement
• 47:00
  Speaker 15: to get rid of a nation's there nations second and
• 47:03
  Speaker 15: third largest exports. Well, the answer is this Albanezi government.
• 47:06
  Speaker 15: They have no interest in the economy, only currently interests
• 47:09
  Speaker 15: in that zero.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: You're not wrong.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I'll have it there, thank you. I'll sort of tell
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: my viewers too. We've had a bit of a win.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: You know that planned by the government to cut regional
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: road speed limits.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I had to walk away from that. That's been dumped.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Remember we found that little bit to in the report
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: buried down the back. This was really about blowering initives.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: My quick break out from under the break.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Let's bring imustrating your favorite my favorite too, the broadcaster
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and wordsmith Richard's. This one really got under my skin.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: When we were talking about the G twenty dot G
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: twenty sory COP thirty one, the meeting next year, whether
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: we would host it or whether Turkey would host it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister kept saying Turkia.
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: The story is that Turkey has been the standard accepted
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: English pronunciation since the fourteen hundred peter a long time.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: And then in twenty twenty two they wrote to the
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: United Nations and other international bodies and said, we'd like
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: you to make a Turkeia in English. Police and the
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: international bodies diplomatically said yes, so that perhaps the Prime
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: Minister doing that is diplomatically justifiable, but not for us.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: There's a standard established English pronunciation. That's what we use.
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: It is still Turkey for us. That's how we pronounce it,
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: That's how we spell it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, you are too generous. He doesn't say parie, does he? No?
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: Parispe No, I'm confirmunication exactly exactly?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: What about you?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: As a Virginia wants to know what's the origin of
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the phrase cocker hoop?
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: Our cocker hoop goes back a long way and it
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: was originally maybe originally been a slightly longer expression. Originally
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: it was meant to make we now mean, you know,
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: we're happy about something, But it meant originally to make
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: good cheer, to celebrate, and the longer version one to
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: set the cock on the hoop, because cock not only
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: means rooster, it also means tap, and the hoop is
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: anything which is circular. So if you're turning on the
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: tap of a cask of ail, and you're turning it
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: on it again and again and again and going round
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: and round, then that's setting the cock on the hoop,
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: and that is cocker hoop. So originally it was a
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: fairly drugn celebration. Now it's just been really happy about something.
• 49:24
  Speaker 11: Can we fit in cook up a storm or hat trick?
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: You choose cook up a storm?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: We can.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: The verb to cook is just me being used to
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: mean start something, stir something up. It's American, first recorded
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: nineteen twenty four. From nineteen fifty nine started to be
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: used in a metaphorical way.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: You stir up anything.
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: You're cooking up a storm.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: You're wonderful, kel, thanks very much, thank for your company.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be here tomorrow night. I've got
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: to go back to my dear old mum, but I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: should be. I didn't say, oh please, don't tell her
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that I will be back here without any problems all
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: of next week.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Look forward to you company. Then, he's entry