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End of Season TSCSA's NBA Awards Show! · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, welcome, Welcome back to another episode, episode number
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  Speaker 1: one oh two of the so called sports analysts. Josh,
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  Speaker 1: how you doing pretty good?
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  Speaker 2: Man? You know basketball students come by. The basketball regular
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  Speaker 2: season is coming to an end, so that means the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs are about starting. I think it's about to get
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  Speaker 2: really interesting. But that is that isn't an episode for
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  Speaker 2: today that we're gonna talk about the playoffs. But what
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  Speaker 2: we're talk about today is these NBA awards, sir. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a pretty interesting year, especially in the MVP
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  Speaker 2: race for MVP one of the closest ones we've had
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  Speaker 2: in a while. But yeah, let's get into it, yes.
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and get into it, because we have a
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  Speaker 1: lot to talk about, and we're gonna go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: start off with this heavy hitter right here. As far
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  Speaker 1: as most Valuable Players. So it's really been between two
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  Speaker 1: guys the entire year. It's been changing back and forth
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  Speaker 1: between SGA and Jokic. So, Josh, I know we don't
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  Speaker 1: have official ballots, but let's act like we were we do.
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  Speaker 1: We're NBA media members. So if you had a ballot,
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  Speaker 1: who is your MVP?
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  Speaker 2: If I had a ballot, I was thinking long and
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  Speaker 2: hard about this, Like I was defending SGA for quite
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  Speaker 2: a while, like on why he should be and he
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  Speaker 2: should definitely be MVP. Like, don't get me wrong, like
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  Speaker 2: either one, I'm not mad at Like it's like one
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  Speaker 2: of those like the Heisman when we were like Travis Hunter,
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  Speaker 2: Ashton Genc. Like I'm like I don't really care, Like
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  Speaker 2: it's like either one deserves it. But with this race, dude,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's insane the games that these guys are throwing
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  Speaker 2: back and forth at each other. And I think what's
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  Speaker 2: hurting Yokig is the losses are building up. But with SGA,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into SGA. Why he's why he is gonna
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  Speaker 2: win thirty two point thirty almost thirty three points per game,
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  Speaker 2: five rebound, six point three assists. He's the top perimeter defender.
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  Speaker 2: On the best defensive team in the NBA, probably the
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  Speaker 2: best defensive team of all time statistics. He's on a
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  Speaker 2: sixty five plus win team. Like all these things always
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  Speaker 2: go into why the MVP is picked, you know, narratives,
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  Speaker 2: who's on the better team, are they actually having are
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  Speaker 2: they the leader of that team? What are their stats?
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  Speaker 2: And SGA fits every mold And if Yo Kich wasn't
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  Speaker 2: having such an insane year himself, this would be a
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  Speaker 2: no doubt for sure drawed up unanimous decision. SGA is MVP.
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  Speaker 2: But I think why there is such a split this
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  Speaker 2: year and why Jokic it is, probably deserves to win
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  Speaker 2: as well. Dude's averaging nearly a thirty point triple double.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't seen that since, I mean obviously during with Westbrook,
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  Speaker 2: Oscar Robinson, Nicola, Jokis, but Russell Westbrook when back when
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  Speaker 2: he did it. But Jokicic is doing that. He's among
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  Speaker 2: the league leaders in scoring, rebounds, assists, and stills. He's
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  Speaker 2: had monster games like the sixty one, ten and ten,
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  Speaker 2: and the Nuggets are still fifth in the West, even
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  Speaker 2: though the supporting party around him doesn't live up to
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  Speaker 2: what they're supposed to be doing. And then I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking long and hard about that too, Like like the
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  Speaker 2: insane year that Russell west had when he won MVP
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  Speaker 2: thirty two point thirty one point triple double. Jokic is
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  Speaker 2: doing almost the same things and he blew everyone out
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  Speaker 2: the water. It was almost no question that Russell Westbrook
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  Speaker 2: was the MVP that year. Nikola jokicch on the same
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  Speaker 2: aspect of it too. You know, he's doing this, coach,
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  Speaker 2: but I just think the things around the Nuggets are
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  Speaker 2: kind of hurting him quite a bit. Like I think
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  Speaker 2: it's more people are looking at like stat padding and
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  Speaker 2: him kind of adding on to when there's no one
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  Speaker 2: else to really get the ball from him. So for me,
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  Speaker 2: the MVP is going to go to SGA, but I
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  Speaker 2: think nikolijokicch definitely deserves to win as well.
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  Speaker 1: So your ballot, you're riding Yokic on your MVP.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yea, I'm riding yo kicch on my MVP. But
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  Speaker 2: SGA is gonna win.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So, oh my case.
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  Speaker 2: My bad with the Russell Westbrook. While I was making
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  Speaker 2: that thing, is they they I think they finished seventh
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  Speaker 2: in the West. He won the MVP. So I'm like oh,
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  Speaker 2: if he wanted at that time while being seventh in
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  Speaker 2: the West with these stats. Jokic, who is fifth in
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  Speaker 2: the West with the same stats and having probably more
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  Speaker 2: Munster games than Russell Westbrook had at the time, I
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  Speaker 2: think Niko Yogic for sure definitely gets to have a
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  Speaker 2: shot at that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And then of course there's a sixty point
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  Speaker 1: triple double did against Minnesota the thirty twenty and twenty
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  Speaker 1: game that he had. It's just something ridiculous. But okay,
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  Speaker 1: how I broke down this case right here. As far
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  Speaker 1: as who deserves MVP, first, I'm gonna say this, both
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  Speaker 1: guys like the same line as you. Both guys deserve MVP,
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  Speaker 1: but only one guy wins it. And I just think
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  Speaker 1: that both of these guys are having historic, historically great seasons,
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  Speaker 1: and if it was any other year, they would be
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  Speaker 1: unanimous MVPs. They would I would take SGA versus any
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  Speaker 1: other guy in the last ten years, honestly, even including
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  Speaker 1: that Russell Westbrook one to just because what he's doing
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  Speaker 1: thirty two points a game and then just very efficient
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  Speaker 1: most thirty point games, most forty point games, most fifty
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  Speaker 1: point games, and averaging six assists to Steells plus minus.
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  Speaker 1: I think the plus minus his was like nine hundred
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  Speaker 1: and ninety one something like that. The next closest guy
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  Speaker 1: was like three hundred away, and that's with him not
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  Speaker 1: being in sixteen to fourth quarters. So Sja was just
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  Speaker 1: on a different level. But how I the main reason
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  Speaker 1: why I picked Shaye for my MVP. So Shaye he
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  Speaker 1: is my MVP. I went to seiling razor and floor razer.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I broke it down right there. So Nicola Jokic,
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  Speaker 1: he's a floor raizer because this team is definitely not
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  Speaker 1: as talented as a Thunder team and he's doing more
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  Speaker 1: with less. Because I think you're the one that sends
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  Speaker 1: it the other day. To me, Josh Jokic has never
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  Speaker 1: had what was it, an All NBA player on his
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  Speaker 1: team or All defensive player on his team. It was
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  Speaker 1: something along those lines. And Shae, He's definitely gonna have
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  Speaker 1: those guys after this year. These guys are gonna get
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  Speaker 1: those awards. But I just think that from having fifty
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  Speaker 1: six wins last year to damn near being on on
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  Speaker 1: pace for Jeorgy of the season for seventy wins, they're
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  Speaker 1: at sixty seven, maybe sixty eight after today, I just
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  Speaker 1: think that just a ceiling razor. That's what I usually
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  Speaker 1: lean towards, and that's what history usually leans towards. Look
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  Speaker 1: at what Steph Curry did, Look at what James Harden did.
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  Speaker 1: Even when Jokic he was a two seed at the or,
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  Speaker 1: he was the two seed, then the five seed, then
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  Speaker 1: a three seed. I believe if I'm if I'm right,
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  Speaker 1: then Joel Embiid he was a two seed the year
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  Speaker 1: he woned Giannis. He was a one seed those years.
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  Speaker 1: Lebron he was a one seed those years. Not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: that it all includes winning, but I think since it's
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  Speaker 1: so close, I'll just have to give the edge to
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  Speaker 1: the person who has the most wins, and the better
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  Speaker 1: conference That's what I'd have.
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  Speaker 2: To go to, for sure. But I agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, go ahead, gohed, You're good.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that, like for sure, the better conference
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  Speaker 2: goes into play. I mean, well, they're both in the
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  Speaker 2: same conference. But being both being in that same conference
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  Speaker 2: and still being number one in the West by such
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  Speaker 2: a large margin and even having the better supporting cast
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  Speaker 2: and able to put up the numbers that you do,
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  Speaker 2: are you you are able to put up an SGA's case,
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  Speaker 2: definitely pushes him towards being coming the MVP. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: what does this do for his career? Like, what does
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  Speaker 2: this do for SGA's career if he wants the MVP?
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, is it all depends on the playoffs. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to be that guy where it's like it's like
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  Speaker 1: it solely depends on playoffs. The regular season doesn't matter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think we're at the point even before SGA, like
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  Speaker 1: was signing still with his MVP, even last year, we're like,
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  Speaker 1: we know you're gonna get awards in the future. What
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  Speaker 1: is your postseason going to look like?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I think he's kind of gonna be in the.
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  Speaker 2: Okayrus I feel like that's what Russell Will happened to
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  Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook. Yeah he never had Yeah, they James Harden,
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  Speaker 2: they won the MVPs, but they never had that playoff success,
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  Speaker 2: so it never elevated them to kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: higher status in basketball. But okay, I'll say this already
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  Speaker 2: has a ring.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that is true. Kid, Well, we talked
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  Speaker 1: about a Jokic. He could be debatably a top ten
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  Speaker 1: player of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know if anybody else is gonna agree or think
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  Speaker 1: that's crazy, but we don't have to argue that right now.
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  Speaker 1: But I just think that SGA in the playoffs, compared
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  Speaker 1: to Russ or James Harden, it translates a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: And there hasn't been at least what it's been two
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  Speaker 1: years he's been in the playoffs where he's dipped like
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  Speaker 1: a Russell Westbrook, where he's dipped like the James Harden.
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  Speaker 1: Because SGA is still averaging over thirty points in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: great efficiency and high assist So I say that's the
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  Speaker 1: only difference in my opinion. M But okay, now now
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  Speaker 1: that you're on that, on that note right there, what
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  Speaker 1: if SGA they just hypothetically they lose in the second
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  Speaker 1: round this year? So will that kind of like will
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  Speaker 1: that kind of like make voters like, oh, I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have voted for SGA, I should have voted for Yokic?
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, because I think if k loses in the
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  Speaker 2: first round like he's probably they're projected to probably do.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think it makes a difference. Honestly. I
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  Speaker 2: think this year for sure, because if SGA they meet
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  Speaker 2: up with see, it's hard for me to put on
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  Speaker 2: what team I think they would they would lose, to say,
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  Speaker 2: if they meet up with the Clippers in the first round,
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna give them probably like a lot of problems,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and that right off the bat. I just
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  Speaker 2: don't think the Nuggets paced off anyone in the West.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't see them getting out of the first round,
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  Speaker 2: like if they and I know that's the new coaching change.
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  Speaker 2: Players are injured. Jamal Murray, we don't know how he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be like coming back from injury to play against
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  Speaker 2: these teams. Michael Porter, Aaron Gordon pretty inconsistent. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't see Yokis even making him giving himself unless he
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  Speaker 2: just goes berserk like absolutely preserve yeah, yeah, thirty nine
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  Speaker 2: point triple doubles, like you know, like it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like he averaged that for a whole entirety series and
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  Speaker 2: they get to the second round. If he can continue
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  Speaker 2: doing that for an entire playoffs, then maybe, Or if
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  Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior somehow becomes what he was projected to be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like start, yeah, he starts knocking down shots,
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  Speaker 2: or if like Aaron Gordon has those big games that
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  Speaker 2: he's been trying to have for Russell Westbrook even turns back.
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  Speaker 2: He's been playing good this season. I think people are
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  Speaker 2: getting giving a little bit more hate than he should.
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  Speaker 1: But I am I'm gonna give him hate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but with them, they just a lot of see
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of asking like all these other players
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  Speaker 2: around him to step up. So I think isn't gonna
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  Speaker 2: make a real case for himself either in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: But SGA, I don't really see him the Thunder. I
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  Speaker 2: don't see the Thunder losing in the second round, if
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  Speaker 2: that makes sense. I think they're gonna make it to
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  Speaker 2: the end, and I think that's where the him and
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  Speaker 2: them and the Lakers are gonna meet up, and that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be the real series. And we've seen the Lakers
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  Speaker 2: already beat them twice with both Lebron and Luka don Chitz,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's just to be wait to
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  Speaker 2: be seen. And yeah, so I think SGA is definitely
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  Speaker 2: gonna maybe people he's gonna show why he was the
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  Speaker 2: m v P until he meets like the I believe
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  Speaker 2: the team that's probably gonna overthrow them in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you happen to remember how
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  Speaker 1: I was looking through my nose before we started. As
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  Speaker 1: far as your MVP, do you remember who your MVP was?
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember because I think it was SGA, Right.
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  Speaker 1: I had mine as SGA. I don't. I think you
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  Speaker 1: had yours as SGAE.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't see. I was trying to find my notes
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  Speaker 2: to make the comparisons for this podcast, but I cannot
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  Speaker 2: find him. Was it was it Luca?
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  Speaker 1: By chance? I think I think it.
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  Speaker 2: Might might have been Luca. It might have been Luca.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure it might have been Luca. No,
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  Speaker 1: but all right, you want to go to move on
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  Speaker 1: to the next award? Yeah, all right, So this next one,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's some controversy behind as far as
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  Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. So at first, to start
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  Speaker 1: off with the clear cut favorite, we already know who
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  Speaker 1: that is, Victor win min Yama. Then after he got
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  Speaker 1: hurt and was out for the rest of the year
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  Speaker 1: and went from Evan Mobley to Dyson Daniels, those two,
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  Speaker 1: then maybe Jaron Jackson and then Draymond Green said on
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  Speaker 1: his podcast that he should be Defensive Player of the Year.
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  Speaker 1: Then his odds right rose up. It's so it's just
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  Speaker 1: a mixture of all Well, really, it's a two man
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  Speaker 1: race now at this point. M So, Josh, who's your DPOY.
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  Speaker 2: Well, another asterisk next to another Defensive Player of the
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  Speaker 2: Year for two seasons in a row. Last year, last year,
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  Speaker 2: Wimby being a rookie on a pretty bad basketball team
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  Speaker 2: but destroying the league defensively. There was no questions about it.
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  Speaker 2: This year, again destroying the league defensively, and we are
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  Speaker 2: still saying, just give it to him, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: who cares? Like I don't care what anyone else did
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  Speaker 2: after the All Star Break, Like he's already still like, well,
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  Speaker 2: what do we say, Dyson Daniels barely caught him in
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  Speaker 2: stocks this week. He's still like thirty blocks ahead of
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  Speaker 2: the next person, even being out since All Star Break. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's averaged one point one still per game, three point eight,
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  Speaker 2: nearly four blocks per game in his second season, the
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  Speaker 2: best defensive rating in the entire NBA when he's on.
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  Speaker 2: I think they have the top five defensive rating whenever
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  Speaker 2: he was on the court. Yeah, bottomn twenty five five
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  Speaker 2: when they were when he was off the court. So
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  Speaker 2: rim protection, dude, Oh my gosh, you're looking at protect. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: my bad rim protection when he was there. The ratings up,
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  Speaker 2: I think there was top in the league with and
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  Speaker 2: that's both Evan Mobley better than Evan Mobley and Jared
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  Speaker 2: Allen combined.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh yeah, he's the fitstive player of the year.
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  Speaker 2: I have to digress. I have to pick second place.
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  Speaker 2: I have to pick a second place player. And see,
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  Speaker 2: I'm torn right now. I'm torn between Evan Mobley and
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  Speaker 2: torn between Jerymond Green because Draymond Green, I mean, Evan
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  Speaker 2: Mobley is definitely the the defensive catalyst for his team,
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  Speaker 2: being a being the best defender on his basketball sea
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  Speaker 2: because Jared Allen is a really great defender, but he's
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  Speaker 2: limited in a sample, He's more limited than this Evan Mobley,
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  Speaker 2: who can kind of go out of the three point
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  Speaker 2: line and come back to the basket and guard five positions,
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  Speaker 2: while Jared Allen is more like that rim, that interior
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  Speaker 2: presence to be able to protect people from driving into
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  Speaker 2: the paint and he can kind of guard mid ranges
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, but Evan Mobley is definitely deserving.
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  Speaker 2: He's always up there for defensive player, like he's never
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  Speaker 2: the winner like, but he's always in that second place.
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  Speaker 2: He's always in second or third place, like behind Rudy
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  Speaker 2: Gobert this year for most of the season, was behind
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  Speaker 2: Wimby and Chet last year and then this year. He's
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  Speaker 2: always been in the top three range, behind the Dyson Daniels,
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  Speaker 2: behind the Victor women yall, but behind the Draymond Green
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  Speaker 2: behind like, So he's always consistently in that conversation. And
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  Speaker 2: then as far as Draymond Green, he is definitely the
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  Speaker 2: defensive catalyst for Golden State. I believe if he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: on that team, their defense would be probably absolutely terrible
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  Speaker 2: because he's able to be the maestro. He knows when
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  Speaker 2: people are gonna do what they're gonna do. He studies
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  Speaker 2: the game. He's still he averages one point five stills,
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  Speaker 2: one one block a game. Evan Mobley only averaged one
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  Speaker 2: point six blocks a game and only is still a game.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, I think I'm gonna lean more towards
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  Speaker 2: Draymond Green just because there's less there's less help around
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  Speaker 2: him defensively as there is for an Evan Mobley, because
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  Speaker 2: still Darius Garland's a good perimeter defender. Jared Allen, I
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  Speaker 2: know that's kind of messed up to say, because people
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  Speaker 2: are gonna say, well, he can't deal, he can't handle
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  Speaker 2: it being on a better team.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Let's like, let's let's say if Jason Tatum was a
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  Speaker 2: or Jaylen Brown were for a Defensive Player of the Year, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're on one of the best ones, you know, or
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  Speaker 2: chat we're to win. You know. So I get that's
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  Speaker 2: a pretty bad argument, but I do think as much
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  Speaker 2: as Draymond Green has to do on his basketball team
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  Speaker 2: and still keeping them around, but I do think this
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  Speaker 2: last game, like we were talking about earlier, between them,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: when the Clippers, is gonna decide whether he wins it
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: or not. You know, I think if they're able to
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: get in the playoffs, Draymond Green is gonna win. If
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: they're not, then I think Evan Mobley's gonna win.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So okay, I'm gonna go and say this. I
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: don't care how this game goes. I think Evan Mobley
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: this is a lot clearer who the dp O why
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: is and MVP is. In my opinion, I think Evan
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Mobley is a clear cut MVP or not not MVP.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Whoa chat clip that.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: He is by far the defensive Player of the Year,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm an give my reasons why. So, yes, he
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: only averages one point six blocks a game, but he's
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: third in the league as far as contested shots that's
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: ten and a half. And then he has thirty four
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: multi block games this year, and he's the only player
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: with the still and over a block and a half
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: to record less than two thouts a game. I know
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: something damn sure Draymond can't do. And then yeah, since
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, he's done this every single year. He's
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: only one in four players to record four hundred blocks
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: and two hundred stills. The Cavs, they're third in the
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: league and field goal percentage allowed when Evan Mobley's on
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the court, and then they're seventh in defensive rating whenever
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Evan Mobley's on the court. So I just think that, yes, Draymond,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: he is one of the best defenders in the league.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: But I just think that Evan Mobley he's been in
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the running the entire year. It was until post All
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Star Breakwill Draymond really got in the conversation. And I
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: think that's where it kind of throws me off, because
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be impacted by this award just
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: by on the back half.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I agree with that. I do think, like
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I said earlier, Evan Mobley's always been in the conversation.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: There's really no one so I if he if I'm
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: not switching, Evan Mobley's gonna be the defensive player there.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: You convince me, you convince me, but no, I I know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I do agree with that. Evan Mobile was like more
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: consistently in the conversation than Jamond Green. Honestly, I I
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: just feel like if the Hawks had a better record too,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I think Byson daniel would will be up there because
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: his his case, I think arguably is better than both.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: If I being like completely honest, like what is it
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: like three stills, three stills, one blocker game? So it's
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: like he's like Wimby's numbers but opposite, like you know,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: like yeah, just a little bit well, Wymby average is
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: two stills and three and four blocks. But you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: on his side, Dyson Daniels definitely has a case to
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: win it. Who knows, he made like some verbes maybe
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: like you know, I forget it, let's just give it
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to him. But there's the probably are But I think
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: it's gonna go to I can see where it goes
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: to either side, dre Mont Greener, every Mobley, but I
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: think Mobley's consistency in the conversations probably it's gonna it
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: should be him.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: You know what, I would just throw in another guy,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: which I I didn't even I didn't even know if
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I told you throughout the week, I got a lot
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: of I got a lot of ship for that. I'm
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: in Thompson over the Cooper flag.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: But just talk about it. What were they telling you.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know the normal stuff, You're crazy. He shouldn't
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: have a podcast that kind of stuff, you know, the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: normal stuff that they always say, and those is one
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: where somebody's like they let anybody say something on the Internet.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's what social media is for. So
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: you gotta respond back with a little bit of sarcastic.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: But no, I would say this about I'm and Thompson
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: real quick, almost a block and a half, a still
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and half when he's on the court, fourth fourth best
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: defense on the rockets and best perimeter defender behind Dyson Daniels.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's up there with Dyson Daniels
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and Louder behind too. Woman's not a prim player regard
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to everything, bro. But okay, if you had a narrow
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: it down to one, you would say interior.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he's the best interior for sure. You know
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: what your all time aime.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Not right now, not right now, not right now?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Is is the best interior defender in the history of basketball.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm there from that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, clipp it, clip it. I'm not mad by that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Take bro.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I know you will.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I know you will.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: No. Also, that was another thing breckon. He was in
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the trenches as far as responding on the TikTok.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: He's telling me, but I don't have TikTok. So it's
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: just like I was like, I want to go look,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: but nah, like I'll just I'll just read it off
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of you or something. Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: No, it's gonna need the screenshots a little bit later.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: But No, as far as I back with this dp
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: O y right here, I just think that, like, like
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I was saying, the consistency, and I just think that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I what the past three years, because what it was
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Jared Jackson go bear right, and then this year and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: like you're saying he's been top three and all of
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: those and and he was he was in the Jared
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Jackson when he was second, right, I think he was
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: second something along those lines. So I just think that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: it's just finally bound bound to it. And honestly, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: think if Draymond wins it, I wouldn't be upset, but
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I would say it's a little bit of a media run,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, like he's he's playing, he's doing his campaign
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I'd say, do what you gotta do. But it's like
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: it's like we know, we know what you did there,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: But all right, let's go in and get into this
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: next one right here, which we have Rookie of the Year.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: So there's not really a debate right here. I'm not
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: gonna make my case. I'm gonna let you make make
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the case for me because we have the same player here.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, so I'm gonna go with the best
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: point garden in the draft. You know, over the last
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: couple of seasons, you know, probably twenty plus years, Stefan Castle.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: He leads all rookies and points, field goals, made, free throws, made,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: total stills in assist per game. Out of all the rookies,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: he scored twenty points over I believe now since doing
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: these notes twenty six times and has flirted with multiple
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: triple doubles to in the year, he's the best perimeter
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: defender in the class. I can make that argument. He
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: guards the best defender. He guys the best perimeter player
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: for each the opposing team each and every single night.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: He had Stephen Curry in a blender maybe once in
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: this in this season, but yeah, he's definitely separated himself
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: quite a bit based off consistency. Ever since Jared McCain
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: kind of went out, Stefan Castle really took over that role.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I think Stefan Castle was a little bit behind him
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: in the in the in the standing, he was ahead
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: of him for a little bit, and then Jared McCain
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: kind of rose up to the top and the Stefan
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Castle stayed around that two to three area around that time.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: But as soon as Jared McCain went out, Stephan Castle
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: took control of this race and never never really looked
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: back with it. Zach gary Hie and Alexandersar had great seasons.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: They really turned it on towards the end of the year.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: They just didn't have that consistency long term that Castle
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: had to be able to catch him in this in
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: this Rookie of the Year race, they had some really
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: big games. I will say if they probably had another month,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: it would be a really more interesting conversation, like you
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: were saying before the before the podcast, especially with I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: think had back to back Rookie of the months so
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: far in the in the East, and then Alexandersar is
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: right there behind him, So I think it's both pretty
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: those both those guys had a case for two and three.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: But I think the way Stephan Castle played over the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: entirety of the season, especially since Darren Fox and Winby
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: both went out, they really let him kind of just
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: take reins of the entire team and kind of go crazy.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he's also set up in the
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: best position to urin Rooky of the Year this year,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and that's why it's gonna be Stephan Castle for with
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the Spurs having back to back Rookie of the years.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now here's my case on why midst posit. I'm
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: not even gonna say that now. I'm not even gonna
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: say that now. Stefan Castle, Yeah, he definitely deserves a
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year and kind of on the same
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: lines of the DPOY. He was consistent throughout the entire year,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and even though he didn't have he had some crazy
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: stat lines. Even though his stat lines weren't as crazy
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: as maybe a Alex Sar or Zachary Resache. I think
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that his consistency just led him to be the Rookie
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of the Year. And I just think that, man, this
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: is off topic right here. I just think that if
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Madus he got more burned before January, even before February,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: before the All Star break, if he got more burned,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like he'd be in this Rookie of the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Year and make a rookie team, a first team rookie team. No,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: but all right, let's go ahead and go to this
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: next one right here, which we have Coach of the Year.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: So it's really between two guys right here. Yeah, so
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: who's your coach of the year.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: See for me, I see the for Kenny Atkinson, I
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: get the coach of the year. You know, your number
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: one team team really rose to the top, has all
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: these wins, leading the East by a huge majority. You
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: improved from last year from what were they fifth? Were
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: they fifth or the top three? They were fifth to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: first place? Really built your team up to get your
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: first year head coach there, but I think the job
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: has to be more than that. You took a good
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: team and just made them great, you know. Yeah. JB.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Bicker Staff took a terrible team and made them pretty good,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you know. So it's and I think that should get
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: a lot more shine. I don't think he's gonna win.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I think they're probably gonna give to Kenny Aakinson. But
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: for me, if I had to vote Jimmy bicker Staff
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: as my coach of the Year, he turned this Pisson
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: team around from the worst record in the NBA with
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: only fourteen wins. Guys, only fourteen wins, you know, and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: they didn't even have a top four pick this year.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Like so that's that's the crazy part about it. They
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: they didn't even get the chance to draft in the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: top four. So yeah, JM. Bickers Staff, they he had
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: a and he improved from a fourteen game fourteen game
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: fourteen wins last year to forty three games this year.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: And I think that that improvement alone deserves to win
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Coach of the Year, especially taking this young team we had.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: They have Kate Cunningham, who, of course, you know, we
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: turned into what he was projected to be this season.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And we'll get into that a little bit more here
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: in a minute when we talk about our our all
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: NBA teams and definitely our Most Improved Player awards. But yeah,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: so he took that team, made them, made them good.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Now they're fighting for the playoffs and a lot of
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: people have them beating certain teams like the Milwaukee Bucks,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: like maybe giving trouble to the Indiana Pacers when it
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: comes to playing, and especially the New York Knicks. A
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: lot of people have them giving them trouble. So they're
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: they're also not a contender for a championship, but they're
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: definitely a problem in the East right now. And I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: think that just speaks volumes to Jamie bicker Staff and
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: what he was able to do and turn this Piston
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons team around in a short periodiod of time.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was lean or I was torn between
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: both of those guys, and I'm leaning towards Kenny Atkinson
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: right here. But I just think that you kind of
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: convinced me to just how you can or I convince
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you for DPO, why just tripling the amount of wins
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: in a single season, There wasn't there wasn't like a
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: pause year in between. I don't know like the word
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: for like a gap year. Yeah, a gap year in between,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: like where they slowly start improving. It was just fourteen
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to straight forty four. And I know they signed some
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: guys in the offseason a Malik Beasley and then you
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: got Dennis Schroeder in the offseason, but it was more
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: developing all these players a Jaden Ivy and then a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: sar Thompson, Kde Cunningham, Jalen Durant. So those guys they
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: just developed from JB. Bicker Staff And now there's a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: culture there. There wasn't a culture there just last year
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: there wasn't nothing. And yeah, I'm right with you there, JB.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Bigger Staff. He deserves coach year. But okay, just a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: little bit different here. If it couldn't be Kenny Hadkinson
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: or JB. Bickerstaff. Mm hmm, I would put my ballot
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: in for he may you dope.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it with the Rockets because they did improve
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: quite a bit. They are one of the top defenses
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: in the NBA. I could see that case for sure.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: That was him. JJ Reddick had a underrated Seeds. Well, okay,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I'll give you this, Josh did call that before the year.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: He did call that. I remember, I remember you calling
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: him the coach of the year at the very beginning.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: You said they're gonna be the two seed, which that's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: not that far off, only two three games off potentially,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: so so you almost did call that one right there.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: But all right, but what JB.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Bickerstaff did see I don't want to talk about the Spurson,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: but if I believe we still had Darren Fox and
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: we had Wimby, we would be in that forty three
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: win area, do you think I think? I think, well,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: like definitely in the forties. So they would have improved
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: from nineteen wins to or yeah, nineteen or twenty one
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: wins to forty. They would have been an improvement. I
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: don't think they would have won. He would have won
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Coach of the Year just because how insanely stacked the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: West is. Yeah, but that definitely would have seen a
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: lot of improvement too. And Mitch Johnson would have definitely
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: had a case for like, you know, like coaching. He's
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: not in the top three consideration, but he's definitely in
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the top seven, like top five coaches.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe m H I still can't believe I picked Mike
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Butenholzer for my Coach of the Year. We're not going
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to talk about that, though. Yeah, we're not going to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: talk about that though.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: No, I thought I thought the Suns were going to
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: be so good. Nah, But all right, six men of
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the Year right here?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: They were pretty I knew their depth sucked.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I just believed too much in KD and Devin Booker.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I saw the Olympics. I saw the Olympics, and I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: just I'm like, you know what, this team's gonna do
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: good things. And I think they started off what was
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: it like three four of them. I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: this team's gonna be good. No, they didn't even make
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the play. It they didn't even make the play. But
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: all right, six men of the Year right here? Who
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: do you got, Josh, six man year.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty easy ward to give. I
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: think the only argument was maybe Milik Beasley, but it's
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: not that much of an argument compared to Peyton Pritchard.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I think Peyton Pritchard, what he's been able to do
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: off the bench for the Boston Celtics, he's really that
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: catalyst for them. I mean, obviously, when Derek White's probably
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: benched or christops bench, we obviously know who's gonna be
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: like the leading player off the bench when in those cases.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: But consistently throughout the season, he kept that second team
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: aflow with Peyton Prichard averaging fourteen points off the bench,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: three point four assists, and he's also shooting forty percent
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: from the three point line, so he's very consistent from
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the three. He's also a pessy defender. He's not the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: best because he's kind of in small in stature, but
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: he's able to kind of disrupt some defensive plays for
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the for some perimeter opponents. And he had some pretty
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: big games this season when it came to shooting the three.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: There was that one game where him and what Derek
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: White or Sam Houser.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was they went they both went crazy.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely insane, and bow dropped forty from three, so and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: really from shooting three pointers. And I think Payton Pritchard
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: being with the Celtics up there, being that consistent piece
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that they have off the bench, I think definitely Payton
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Pritchard deserves to be six Men of the Year.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you. But I'm gonna just
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: give a case why Malik Beasley he should deserve a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: six Man of the Year. So, first off, if he
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: plays today, it's gonna be all eighty two games he's
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: played this year and sixteen points, forty three percent from
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the field, forty two percent from three. Then no rebounds
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: or no assists. He's more of a shooter and almost
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: is still a game. I just think that Malik Beasley.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I think mid season, whenever, whenever the Pistons, what it
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: was like, a thirteen game win streak, something along those lines.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: He looked like one of the best shooters in the league.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: He looked like a damn near Steph Curry at that point.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: So again, consistency, it ends up winning this award right
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: here with Peyton Pritchard just doing it throughout the entire year.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: But just shout out to Malik Beasley, man, But Peyton
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Pritchard he wins at six Man of the Year. But
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: all right, this one, it might be a little bit
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: more controversial in my opinion as far as most improved
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: player right.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, it is a lot more controversial.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So all right, Josh, who's your most improved player
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: My most improved player is Diyson Daniels. I think we
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: both have that consensus. I think everyone like, yeah, that
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: everyone should have that. Let me read off the stats
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: real quick. Why Dyson Daniels most of your player. So
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: last year on the New Orleans Pelicans before he got
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: move to the Atlanta Hawks, five point eight points, three
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: point nine rebounds, two point seven assists, and then for
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: his stials, I thought, I put this down one point
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: four here I got, yeah, one point four stills and
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: then half a block. See, I thought I'd put these
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: notes down, but I only put this year's So think
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: about that. So everything is kind of like points down there,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: rebounds down there, assists down there, Stills is half away.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: He did this year and.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: All that that is crazy coming off to this year
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: fourteen point one points, five point nine rebounds, four point
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: four assists, three stills in almost a block a game.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: He improved his numbers defensively by nearly double points, triple,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: rebounds double and assists double. Like this is clear improvement
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: from a player like this is the most improved player
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: in the entire NBA. Because even when we're comparing Kate
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Cunningham Kate cutting aam Okay, we'll get into it in
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a second. Twenty six point one points last year, twenty
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: two point seven points last year, four point three rebounds,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: one point four assists, as compared to this year twenty
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: six points, six point one rebounds, nine point one assists,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: nine six point one rebounds, nine point one assists. I
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: understand the improvements, I get it, but this is his projection,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: like I know, being on the Pistons and where they went,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: but these are his projections for his career. He was
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the number one overall draft pick that Kate Cunningham was,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: so this is not a surprise to people if you
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: expected him to end up becoming this and I especially
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: with Dinny and v who's also in the running for
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: this award. Fourteenth. Last year he had fourteen point seven points,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: seven point two rebounds, three point assists. He only finished
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the season with sixteen point nine points, same amount of
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: rebounds and the same amount of assists, so he's not
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: really he didn't really improve much either. So Dyson Daniels
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: improved drastically. He's on the Hawks who are in the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: play in and I'm just not even based off like
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: what he did, like throughout the entirety of the season.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Let's look at when Jillen Johnson got hurt, when a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: couple of these other players on the Atlanta Hawks got hurt,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: he really step up and had some really big games.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I wish I had the stats for some of the
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: major games that he did have. Let me see if
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I could pull it up real quick, because that dude
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: had had some games. Let me see.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Ahead, you're good.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: So one game twenty two points, ten rebounds, three stills,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: two blocks. Twenty two points and nine rebounds, six assists,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: five stills. Let's see some twenty two points, seven rebounds,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: seven assists, three stills, one block. Fourteen points, six rebounds,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: seven assists, four stills, one block. Consistently throughout the entirety
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: of the stat sheet. Defensively and offensively, he improved. And
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: he's on a he's on a he's on a contending
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: basketball team, and they're not in the playoffs yet, but
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: they're definitely still in contention to make the playoffs. And yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I think giving it to a play this used to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: be an award unless you want to go into who
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: you think is gonna win first, and we can talk
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: about it. What do you want to do.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: So, Oh, no, go ahead, you're good. I'll let you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: go first.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. So, like I'm saying, with this most Improved Player,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: it used to be it used to be an award
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: because there was even points for John Morant was in
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: consideration for this award. I think he might have won
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Most Improved Player. That's not what this award is, you know.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: This award isn't for players that have these projections already
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: and are gonna win and just because they're on their
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: teams got better. They're kind of treat like a mini MVP.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I guess, like a mini MVP award for like teams
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: that were bad and their best player kind of improved
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and got better, like a Kate Cunningham John Morant, whenever
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: they already were Dummrant a number two overall pick, cunning
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: had a number one over pick. They shouldn't be in
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: contention because these are their projections. These are what they
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: expect them to be. When you draft someone number one overall,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: you expect them to become an NBA All Star, consistent
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: on NBA player, and that's just only with I don't
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: think that's an improvement. That's who they are. And as
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: far as Dyson Daniels, who was traded for nothing. He
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: was traded for he was throwing He was a throw
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: in piece of the JONTAYT. Murray trade, and they were like,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: here have Dyson Daniels and they were like, okay, we'll
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: take him. And his improvements drastically to nearly tripling his
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: points and defensively doubling all of that and even his
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: other stats. I think that's that's the most improved player,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a player that wasn't projected to be this and ended
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: up becoming that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm I'm totally with you. I think Kid
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Cunningham he's gonna win this award, but in my vallet
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: definitely want to win it. I'm right there with as
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: far as Dyson Daniels. And to add on to what
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you said, he improved four or five percentages on field
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: goal percentage and three point percentage too, so that just
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: shows even he got more efficient as it went too.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: But I just think that these past few years, so
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it so the years prior. So
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be Kay Cunningham this year, Tyrese Maxey, Larry
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Markin and John Moran, Julius Randall brandon ingram. These last
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: five years of these awards, these guys were all averaging
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: twenty points before before the last year, so there wasn't
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that much of an increase. So I just think that,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like you're saying, I kind of agree. I wouldn't necessarily
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: call it like a mini MVP, but it's just like
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a rising star who finally breaks out. I think that's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: what they're pretty much calling that, a rising star that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: breaks out. And if that's the case, they need to
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: separate the award. That's what they really need to do.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: They need to have a most improved I don't know
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: from scrub to a good player, I don't know the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: word that it could be, or good to great player.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: That's what they need to change it too, because we
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: had this exact same conversation last year with Kobe White
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and Tyree Maxy.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tari's MAXI it didn't improve that much, you know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: coming drastically ten points.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: His was like ten points something crazy like that. Shout
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: out to my goat, by the way. No, but I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: just think that I just think that there's not going
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to be a way to change it, because like even
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I heard some people saying, Tyler Hero deserves the Most
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Improved Player of the Year. But even at that of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, he was six Man of the Year
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: last year, so it's like he went from six man
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to All Star. It's a normal jump. You kind of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: see that trajetionary and then it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Wasn't like he was forced into that role, you know
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like it wasn't like where he took
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: reins and improved, and like they're like, oh, we can't
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: deny it, like they already had. They already expected him
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: to be this player because he was that player off
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the bench. Now he's the clear starter, the clear number
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: one on that team. He's gonna get more burned as
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: far as I Daniels, who worked his way up in
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: the in the rotation, and then even like after even
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season where he wasn't scoring
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: quite a bit, and once he got the opportunity to
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: start scoring, he really start he really improved quite a bit.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think that it's just a flawed award
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: at this point. All the all the other awards, I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: feel like they're pretty good, they're pretty consistent as far
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: as with it, but I just think that this most Improved,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: like there's a shady criteria, Like even MVP you kind
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: of you kind of like could gauge the criteria, if
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. But with most improved, you don't know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you really don't know where it could go to. But
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: all right, this last award, they added this a couple
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of years ago, the Clutch Player of the Year award.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So it's really between two guys here. So who do
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you got Josh for your Clutch Player of the Year.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't really do my projection on it. I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: just saw that Jalen Brentson was leading that award. I
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: guess I just didn't think of it as a major award,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: so I didn't even do research into it. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I know darn Fox as one guys.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yead Yeah, the Aaron Fox. What did you win? Did
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you win last year? Was it last year? Something like that?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I think so, No, twenty twenty two, Steph won it
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: last year? Yeah, Steph won it last year.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: No, I'll let you. I'll let you give your take
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: on this one.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So I know, obviously Lebron he's my goat, and just
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: what he does averaging six point or seven point six
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: points in the fourth quarter, I know he does that.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Great defender, and I just think that him be able
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to make play after play after play, defensive stops and
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: even these last few games as far as them in
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. You go to the Knicks, you go
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to the Rockets, you go to the Nuggets game, you
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: go to those games. All right, there, he shows why
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: he's up there. But I'm gonna have to give it
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to Jaylen Brunson, So let me read this sat for you.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Five point five points or he's averaging five point five
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: points in the clutch. That's the second highest ever as
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: far as clutch stats. And he shoot over fifty percent,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: so that means he's generating the most shots as far
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: as we're player in the clutch. If nobody knows what
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the clutch means, that means there's five minutes or less,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it's a five point game or less in the fourth quarter.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much what clutch means. So he's doing that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: when he's having to be the sole, sole player on
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the Knicks where they just depend on him. You could
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: even go, like I said, with Lebron versus the Lakers
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: and Knicks, you go Jalen Brunson the Lakers versus Knicks,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: where he took over that overtime game before he got hurt,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and they probably would have won that game. So I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: think Jalen Brunson he deserves this Clutch Player of the Year.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: And also, just a little bit off topic, I think
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the Clutch Player of the Year it leans more towards
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: a guard. I think so because first Daron Fox and
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Steph Curry and then now Jalen Brunson. I just think
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: it's a lot easier for a guard to have their
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: stats inflated in the clutch compared to a forward or
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: more of a passing guy, if that makes sense. Daron Fox,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: he's he's gonna score first. STEP's gonna score first. Jayalen
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Brunt is gonna score first compared to past first guys.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I know who was it who was at the yearbook.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: That was somebody else who was like a pass first guy,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Jason Tatum. He was in there for Clutch Player of
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the Year Lebron this year. So I just think that
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: it just leans more towards a heavily guards. That's what
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I think it does. But all right, I think, yeah,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that's all the awards right there. Let's go and get
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to our all NBA teams, right here, Josh, I think
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: this one okay. So I know we didn't give our
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: top five and MVP ballots, but I'll just say it
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: like this, because if nobody knows all NBA, it's positionless.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: So even all defensive teams is positionless. So before anybody
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: starts asking where's your point guards, shooting guard, small forward,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: power forward, center, it's positionless. So I have Shay Jokic, Giannis,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, and Donovan Mitchell, and in that order, that's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: what I'd have my MVP ballot. So I'd have Donovan Mitchell.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I wanted to put Anthony Edwards. I really wanted to,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: but I just think that collectively, what Donovan Mitchell did
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: to help this team win and he averaged more assists
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: this year, I just think that was the biggest deciding
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: factor right there. Even though it had a great year,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I had a lean towards Donovan Mitchell, Moore.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: See for me, I have Shae Jokic, Giannis and Tatum.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: In that last spot, I do have Anthony Edwards and
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I have Spider going to the second team. But I
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: think honestly, this starting this top all NBA. I don't
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: think besides that that fitth spot where we're kind of
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: leaning towards Donovan Mitchell or Anthony Edwards. I think those
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: are the two, and I know some people had Kate
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Cunningham argued up there as well, like they had those
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: three kind of arguing for that fifth spot in the
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: first team All NBA. But with Shaye, Jokiannis, and Tatum,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I think those are all consensus. I think there are
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: those are locked in top four players that are going
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: to be the first team All NBA. I mean, dude,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: if Joannis wasn't in this season, bro he went a VP. Yeah,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: so it's just like a whole if he wasn't around
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Jo Kic and Shaye, Joannis would definitely be up there
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: for m v P if if Wimby never got hurt.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: But you know, he would for sure be in that
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: fifth spot, I think. But that's what he did offensively
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and defensively. But you know, Ki Shaye, we don't explained.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: We went into a whole MVP debate about him. Johannest
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: thirty point thirty point four points. I don't know when
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: the last time were that ranks in his career points
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: per game were almost averaging twelve rebounds in six and
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: a half assists while shooting sixty percent from the field
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: like that, that's insane, Like he's he's not really missing
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: that much. So him being the first team one B
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I think shouldn't be a problem to anybody. And then
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Jason Tatum as well. I know I was the biggest
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Jayson Tatum hater. I don't know why he's grown on
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: me so much. I don't know why I've respected games
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: so much, you know, I think I think think it
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: was you know what. I think it was when when
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: they were bringing up like like, who's the closest player
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to Tim Duncan in today's NBA And they were like Jason,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: and I was like, real, I think.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I hit a soft spot for you. That's why you like.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, real, yeah, he is, bro. That's probably
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: why I just sound like everyone else that hates on
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Tim Duncan. So I'm done hating on Jason Tatum. Guys,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I'm done hating on him. Definitely.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Don't believe that. Wait till the post. Wait till the post.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: You'll don't do that.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I know you, Josh, I know you too, will know
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: not me, not me.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I don't switch I don't switch up on nobody. Go
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: ahead except for no. Twenty seven points, nearly nine rebound,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: six assists on the second best team in the Eastern Conference.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But you know, he he's everything for that Boston Celtics
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: basketball team. He's able to go one through five. He's
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: their best offensive player. He everything flows through him. He
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: deals with the toughest MA took every single night. So
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: he definitely deserves to be in the top top top
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: players in the first team All NBA. Just that last spot.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Why I gave the s Anthony Edwards I think averaging
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: nearly averaging twenty seven points per game, five point seven rebounds,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: four points in six assists, being the main focal point
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: on that Minnesota Timberwolves team, especially because since they trade
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: away Karl Anthony Towns, there really isn't another player to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: take over offensively for him, and he's really relied on
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: himself quite a bit this season to definitely get the
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: job done. And we've seen it where he's kind of
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: just taken over games and other players take a back seat,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, which is definitely gonna happen no matter who's
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: on his team. But Julius Randall never really became what
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Kat was, so Anthony Edwards being the clear cut number
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: one in his basketball team, keeping them within the playoff contention,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and even being this top scorer in the NBA, one
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: of the top scorers in the NBA. I gave him
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the nod for First Team All NBA and even being
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the defender that he is. I know, Donovan Mitchell is
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: not the worst, not the not He's a good defender,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: but Anthony Award, Anthony Edwards is one of the best defenders,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: one of the better defenders in the NBA. When he's
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: able to do against a number one player night in
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the night out, I think definitely get him that nod
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: for me in First Team All NBA.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: And also just another thing, Anthony Edwards, he became a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: mark or marksman shooter this year.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: He definitely improved shooting three pointers.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I know, Okay, so it says right now, thirty nine
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and a half percent for three. That's great though, Yeah,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: that's great. But majority of the year he was at
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: like forty three, forty four, So he he dipped down
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: just a little bit. Dip down a forty percent is
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: still crazy, but just it just shows the improvement he made.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just had to give it to Donovan Mitchell.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Just just because how there has been there was that
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: drastic of a difference in the win column. That's why
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I'd have to give it to him. But all right,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: second team, so we pretty much have it flipped. I
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: have Ann on the second team. Then you have d
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Mitchell on the second team. But what's the rest of
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: your second team?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: So outside of Donovan Mitchell, I have Lebron James. I
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: think Lebron James is definitely second team All NBA this year,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: averaging on your twenty five point game street and years
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and twenty years and twenty five points per game is over. Yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: did you allys go do that? Seven point nine rebounds,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: eight point two assists. I think definitely. Okay, now now
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: they're now definitely be the best team in the Western Conference.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Right now, I will sit here and die on that hill.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I think Lebron James twenty four point six, seven point
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: nine rebounds, eight point ten assists. He's nearly averaging almost
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the same stats he had when he won the MVP
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: back with the Miami Heat. So definitely he's mister consistency. Defensively,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: what he's been able to do this year as well. Defensively,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: he's been locked down he's been that, like what we
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: call defensive players sometimes a field general. This is exactly
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: in the NFL he was definitely he was definitely a
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: field general for the Los Angeles Lakers this year, calling
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: out everything, especially especially with some of the guy that
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: they have. We aren't the greatest defenders in the NBA,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: but he's able to put them in the right spots,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: He's able to call out the plays, he's he's definitely
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: deserves to be second team All NBA. There could have
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: been a case or even first team All NBA for
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Lebron James this year, and then as far as the rest,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to Evan Mobley. I think Evan
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Mobley definitely deserves to be in the second team All
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: NBA consideration. Nearly eighteen point six points per game, nine
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: point three, you bounds three point two assists on fifty
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: six percent field goal percentage. But which isn't gonna blow
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you away with the numbers. The numbers aren't gonna blow
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: you away offensively, But what he's able to do defensively,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't missed defensive player of the Year.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I think he definitely and he does offer that offensive
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: spark sometimes I think Evan but he does take but
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I think taking a back seat to Donovan Mitchell and
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Darius Garland. Why his points are why his points per
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: games are kind of skewed. I think he can definitely
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: average more if he wanted to. But Evan Mobley for me,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: is gonna be in the second team All NBA, especially
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: being on the best team in all of basketball or
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: one of the best teams in all of basketball this season.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Stephen Curry for me, is also in second team All NBA.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Twenty four and a half points per game, four point,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: four rebounds, six assists, shooting once again forty percent from three.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: The greatest shooter in the history of the world. Stephan
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Curry getting up there. They really needed Jimmy Buller to
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: come through. They need to win today. So it's gonna
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: be what happens then. Hey, when you when you come in,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: when when Harrison Barnes comes knocking on your door, you
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: better better better answer and you know that happened there.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: There's a reason why they're in the spot right now.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: The Spurs gave it to him. But Stephan Curry for me,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: second Team All NBA and second Team All NBA. I'm
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: gonna give it to Kay Cunningham. I think Kate Cunningham
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: definitely has a case to be in the first team
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: All NBA if he really, if it really came down
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: to it, twenty twenty six point one points per game,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: over six rebounds per game, over nine assists per game.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: What he was able to do being the leader for
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the Detroit Pistons, really bringing them up to a prominent
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: role in that Eastern Conference, allowing them to be live
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: in again. Kate Cunningham definitely deserves this, not in second
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: team All NBA. I think that should be consensus. I
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: don't think there should be anyone that has in the
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: third team All NBA for sure. I think he's definitely
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: second team All NBA.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Well, there's definitely.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: The second team.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: So okay, I have Evan Mobley, I have I have Braun,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I have Steph and like I said, we switched and
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: for uh and for.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Donovan, Kate Cunningham, Jalen Brunson.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I have Jalen Brunson, who barely met the requirement yesterday,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: yes or daily requirement?
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: What was your requirement?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: The sixty five game requirement. That was my requirement right there.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: So I was afraid he wasn't gonna be able to
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: get it. So, okay, I get why Kate Cunningham, he
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: could be second team All NBA, but I just have
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: to give it to Jalen Brunton, and just I know,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: he just barely came back from his injury. I think
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: what it was April sixth something like that, so not
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: even a week ago, and it has looked the best.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: But before, what Jalen Brunson was doing all the way
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: from October till about March, this dude was damn near
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: averaging thirty points a game, and his stats kind of
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: dipped down when he came back, So it was fifteen
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: twenty seven, fifteen and twenty seven, which is kind of consistent.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: It's just Jalen Brunson kind of to the same or
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: similar extent of what Kate Cunningham does. Obviously more talent,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: but he has to carry that offensive workload for the
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: New York Knicks, and you saw how ugly that offense
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: looked without without Jalen Brunson. And I think what kind
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: of sold me there is that Kate Cunningham whenever he
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: wasn't playing, what was it a week and a half
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: or so without the Pistons. The Pistons were still winning
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: these games, and their offense still look good. I'm not
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: saying he's not the most impactful player on their team
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: by far. He is, but I just think that that's
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: why I had to give it to Brunson and Kate.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: He's on my third ten. That was just funny, though,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: You're like, there's no way nobody shout on with thirteen, like, oh,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: you better way till this, Oh gosh, but shout out
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to braun Shout out to Steph, Shout out to the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: old hits. Shout out to the old hits. Damn, you're
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: pushing sixty. No, but no, but okay, I know.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: We didn't age forty one, second team All NBA probably
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: gonna win a ring.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Somebody, somebody with the number twenty three never did that
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: in the age thirty. We're not gonna say who.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: But you know they're saying something the other night, what
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: other player besides Brawn average above thirty five minutes per
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: game and they're at the age forty above age forty,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: And they were like Michael Jordan, Yeah, like what did
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: he do? Though? Like what did he do?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Like you know what players that actually did good there's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: a difference. There's a difference. No, But all right now,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to do this right here, so
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: we didn't build a third team. But I have some
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: players right here who are kind of in the con sideration.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Let's build a third team right here.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Jalon.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: So, okay, so I have Kate cut out, so that'd
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: be I already disagree with it there, But Carl Anthony Towns,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Tyre's Halliburn, Jared Jackson, Junior Albertson, Gooon, James Harden, and
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: jadub if we have to build a third team.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: See for me, I know I was debating with myself
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson Karl Anthony Towns. For sure, I was debuilding
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: those two players. So for me, that's gonna be my
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: first two roundabout which I'm for sure for you would
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: be Kate Cunningham and Carl Anthony Towns. Yeah. Then outside
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: of that, I want to lean towards I'm going blank
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: right now. I like sing Gun definitely deserves Alfred san
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Gun definitely deserves a nod to be that third team
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: All NBA because where the Rockets are at second in
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: the Western Conference leading there, I think he's their best
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: player without a doubt. You know, I think he does
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: it all. He's a baby Jokic on the on that
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Houston Rockets team. He's not gonna be Jokic, but he's
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: definitely a baby Jokic. He can do some of the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: same things. For me. Let me think really quick. I
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: went blank on players. I didn't write down my third team.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, triple, there's triple, Tysburns Okay, Yeah, Tyry's Haliburn is
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: definitely thirteen with best, especially what he's able to do
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: assist wise.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: And there's you know, I think Trey Young would be
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: in the third team if his team was had a
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: better record.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he he has a case. He has a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: casey twenty twenty four points a game, forty one percent
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: from the field, thirty four percent from Oh I probably
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: should have read that right there. Sounds a little ugly
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: right there. No, but I think ten plus assists, Yeah,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: twelve assists. He was having twelve assists this year.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. No, But so you have Brunson, kat Reese Sengoon.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: You have one more spot left. Wait, Reese, who's Reese
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburton.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Tyrese Haliburton. I was like, who's Reeese bro
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: get out of here?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's there's Triple, there's j Harden.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I think I'm aline towards Jadob. I think I'm alline
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: towards Jadob in this situation for thirteen moll NBA consistently
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: averaging around twenty points per game for the Oklahoma City Thunder,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: defensive catalyst kind of for them. When he's guarding that
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: that that three, that two through five, two through four
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: range for them, He's he's typically picking up the best
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: player that Shay's not picking up and Chet's not and
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Chet and Hartenstein are kind of doing the the interior work.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: So I think him being an All Star as well
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: definitely helps him make the case this year. So I'm
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: gonna give it to Jadob. So my third team would
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: definitely be Karl Anthony's toallenge Jalen Brunson, Alfred Sangun, Tyrese Haliburn,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: and Jadob.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, mine's definitely the Seminari. I have kdekat Tyrees,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: then I put Jadubb, and then I put James Harden
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: for the third team. Okay, I think what he did
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: without Kawhi the entire Yeah, he kept them afloat, and
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I think averaging twenty two and ten, yeah, twenty, well,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: twenty three and ten damn near.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's I think people just forget how good
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: James Harden was in his like prime.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like this, this is this isn't.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Toned down James Harden.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a watered down just or you know what.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Take his exact exact stats right here, then add another
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: ten to twelve points. That's James Harden's prime and yeah, yeah,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: that's James Harden's prime right here. And he's gonna play
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: every damn game. No, but all right, defensive team right here?
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: First team all defense here? Who do you got here, Josh?
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: We know the first two, we know the first sixty.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Five game requirement, sixty five game requirement, of course, But
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Draymond Green, Dyson Daniels, Evan Mobley. I think those three,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: for sure, without a doubt, are the consensus. Yeah, first
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: team all defensive players. I don't think anyone else should
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: have anything different. But I think in those last two
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: spots is where it gets a little difficult. I mean,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: you got each a Zubat, I got each Zubatch for
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: what he was able to do. I don't think we
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: realized how good of a season he actually had that
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles Clippers basketball team. He was there into your presence, rebounding.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I know it doesn't go in really to the defensive aspect.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: With defensive rebounds, he was racking him up, and then
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: especially being that into your presence a couple some of
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: the some of the games that he had blocks wise,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: and then just I've seen him play against some top talent,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: especially against Wimby when they would play. He gave Wimby
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: some trouble this season. He really struggled against some last season,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: but this year he was able to do quite a bit.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I understand there was some second player help there, but
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: still able to disrupt him doing what he was doing.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I think I Chazo Watch definitely deserves First Team All Defense.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And then I this fit spot heart was hard for me.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna lead towards lou Dort in this situation.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: I think lou Dort he's able to pick up some
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: of the best perimeter players that the that the Oklahoma
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: City Thunder does play against. Gaming in game out, Shay
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: kind of like plays that roamer a little bit. He
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: kind of switches off to whoever loud or doesn't doesn't guard.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: And I think being on the best defense in the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: entire NBA and being able to be that kind of
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: a catalyst for them when it comes to guarding the
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: best ball handler for them, I think Lou Dor's definitely
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: deserves to be first team All NBA, All first team
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: All Defense.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, you said first team All the NBA.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, lou Dort, first team All NBA.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Tatum, he's actually he's actually the m v P, you know,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: our o MVP Valley. It goes to lou Gwyn's store.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I think, is that his name mcgwinn store.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Is he? Is he German? French?
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: No, he's Canadian because he was on the Oh yeah, yeah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, so he's French, but he's from Canada.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So a lot of the I know, a lot
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: of like people like like, I don't know French. Isn't
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: that like a I don't know. I know that I
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: know they have something together. French and Canada have something.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: France and Canada there's something. There's something, there's something going
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: on with those two. But I think I saw it
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: is true and like and like in like class, high
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: school or something like that where they're talking about like
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: ambassadors or something.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but no, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure. No,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: How do we just go to the trusted web for
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: this one? Yeahs FM Montreal. So he's from Canada. Let
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: me see who moved to Canada when they were around
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: twenty one years old?
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: When he was twenty one years old.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when his family was twenty one years old, they
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: moved there. His parents are from from Saint Mark. Where's
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: that at?
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what we're saying.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Haiti. That's from Haiti. He's from Haiti. Bro, He's not
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: even from France. His family's from Haiti.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Well, well he's born he's born in Canada.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's born in Canada.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, but he's from Haiti.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: No, but all right, his family's ethnicity is from Haiti. Okay,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: so I know is Haitian? Yeah, but he from Canada.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Some some quick trivia right there, but just in case
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: into conversations you say Haiti, you have that bad knowledge
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and also some quick I was checking what you said.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: So Canada was a French colony, So there definitely was
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: relation right there. So yeah, in the pod, that's how
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: that's how we should end.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: It right there, Canada, French or on place.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I never would have thought we'd go down the mark
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: of Canada and France the relation between those. But all right, anyways,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Evan Mobley, Draymond Green, Dyson Daniels, I agree with you
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Le Gwynn Stewart, the Haiti Man from.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Canada and the Haitian.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Canadian, the bank Canadian man bro and then from my
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: last spot, Zubac. He would be on my second team.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: You already know who I'm putting on my first team here.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I made the case. Nope, somebody who i'd take over
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Cooper flag right give me. I'm in Thompson for my
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: first team right here. I think, just after what I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: said last week, I was already I'm in Thompson fan
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: but I think I think I'm in this. I'm in
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Thompson fan club now. I think you know what, I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: think he's gonna be better than not let me not,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: let me downside with that bullshit, let me outside with
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: that bullshit. I'm joking. I'm joking here. I'm joking here,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: it's all a joke.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: No, I would have you would have left.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: You would have you would have left, You would have
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: just left this pot. I'm in. Thompson deserves first team
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: All NBA, in my opinion, are still in half a
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: block and a half fourth in defensive rating whenever he's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: on the court. But Zubac, he's right there, right outside
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: of it. But all right, kind of, No, I had
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: a good good.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I had a question about this whole thing, right, So,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: so first team All Defense? Do you think it's kind
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: of where is it now? Because I feel like the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: star power sometimes isn't there, you know, like the stars
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: aren't getting first team all. I know Wimby would have
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: definitely been first team All NBA, and I don't know
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: if that would have carried the list a little bit,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: like Zuboch or Dort would have for sure been out
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: for me if Wimby was in this first team All NBA.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: And I know Draymond Green, he's up there in age,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: so he's not really like the star or Nolmot a
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: star anymore. To be put there, Evan Mobiley is not
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: necessarily an household name name. You know, Dyson Daniels. I mean,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: we're arguing most improved player this year. So it's not
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: really like he But where do you think it's at
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: the award where really there's not these star players, Because like,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: arguably I can see where Lebron Lebron's for sure second
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: team All Defense. You know, he's for sure second team
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: All Defense this year. But where there's these first team
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: All Defensive players, do you think it lacks the star
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: power that he used to.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I just think that now there's there's guys that are
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: solely made just for defense, if that makes sense. I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: just think that that's what it is compared to back
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: in like the early two thousands and twenty tens, that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: was your star players were the defense defensive players. Yeah,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: so I just think that now, like you could even
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: go to the past few years, there's But I think
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: whenever you look back in history books, I think it's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: more because it's recency biased. Right now, I think by
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the end of it, Evan Mobley he's gonna be considered,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: if he stays his pace, one of the best defensive players.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Draymond Green, we already know Lou Dort he'll be considered
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: one of the best. What he's doing exactly.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: He didn't make the Hall of Fame alone off defense.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. No real I'm not saying that he is.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: But no, I don't think Tony Allen will make it.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I think I think he'd kind of be in the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: books of that Tony Allen.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: If they're just known for being that. He's not winning
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year. My bad, He's never gonna
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: know anyone. Hey, no one else knows.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe next year. Maybe next year. No, Wimby's over too,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Wimby's over to.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Wimby's over to. Michael Jordan has
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: more Defensive Play of the Years than Wimby as of now,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: he has more. That's all I'm saying. Mark Josh Marcus
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Smart has more Defensive Player of the Years than Wemby
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: right now, Josh Joe Keev Noah has more, has more
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Years. You know what? You hear
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: something crazy here, Josh Matis Stipel has more All NBA
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: defensive teams than Wimby. He has more all you know what.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert has four times as many Defensive Play of
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: the Years as Victor Wimbin Yama for the audio listeners. Josh,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: he just turned off his camera. Don't worry. I'm done here, Josh.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I'm done here. I'm done.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: No, but yeah, all right, I think Josh checked out
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: for this one.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, last one. Dylan Brooks has more all NBA
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: defensive teams in Wimby. Okay, I'm done. I'm done.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Now, we'll see when it's all said and done. No, but.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, we're gonna kind of do the same
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: thing because I know we didn't build a second team.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: So here's some names. Here's some names right here. Wen,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: there's Lebron, Rudy, Gobert, J Dub. I put Zubac on
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: here because I had him second team. But you could
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: say I'm in Thompson Triple J, and then too Moni
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Kamari from the Portland Trail Blazers.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I think I'll go, I'll go Lebron triple J, then
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: I'll go Rudy, and then I'll.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Go I'm thinking Jdubb. That's what I'm thinking.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I'll probably go, I'm in and JDub.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so mine would be the same Lebron, Rudy,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Zu Bloc JDub Triple J. But I brought up to
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Mani Kamara because Okay, the normal fans may not know
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: who that is from the Portland Trail Blazers, but this dude,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I think he could be like a Diyson Daniels next year.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And he's like six eight sixt nine. This bro he
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: didn't get burned till like after the All Star break.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: He became an absolute stud. And okay, Josh, I'm looking
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: more through like the first teams as far as defensive teams.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: So I think last year it will stack. Last year
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: it was Bam A, Rudy Herb and then Wimby. Then
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: the year before Caruso Holiday Triple J, Brook Lopez, Evan Mobley.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: The year before Marcus Marre mckel Bridges, Rudy Giannis Triple J.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Then one before that Rudy, Ben Simmons, Draymond Drew Giannis.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: So I think it's just now that we look back
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: at it, it looks like star power, but when we're
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: in the moment, it doesn't look like star power. So
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: to answer your question, I think when you go back,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: it's just gonna it's gonna look a lot better. And
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: especially if I'm in Thompson makes that first team right there,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: and he's gonna obviously be a top ten player, so
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: obviously no. But all right, this rookie team right here, Josh,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: we already know. I think we already know who the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: first three are, right yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: I think ste Stephan Casto we already made the case
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: for He's Rookie of the Year. I'm Zachary, we should say.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: And Alexandrisar who's gonna finish respectively second and third, are
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: and Rookie of the Year. They both had their game,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: their moments. I think the I think the three of
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: the top four, three of the top four picks are
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: making the first team. I think that's that's I don't
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: know when the last time that probably happened was it?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think those three are definitely
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: gonna make the first team all rookie And I think
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Jalen Wells. I think Jalen Wells what he did for
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: the majority of the season. He was consistently in the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: top three for Rookie of the Year until Recius Say
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: and the Lexander Starr really took over in their spots.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Jalen Wells one of the better defenders in this in
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: this class on the Memphis Grizzlies in the playoff. He he.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I think he had the most minutes off the bench
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: for the Memphis Grizzlies this season average ten point four
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: point three point four rebounds, one point seven. Says the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: numbers are gonna blow you away, but what he's able
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: to do defensively. I think Jalen Wells definitely deserves to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: be this first team All Rookie and I think that's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: kind of consensus. I think these top four are gonna
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: be consensus. I think where this five area is gonna
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: have a little bit of a mix up. I think
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: you could either go Khalil where or Zach Edy here.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: I know I hated on Zach Edy. We both did
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: going in, but he definitely did turn into like an
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Okay player and in Memphis not the best like obviously,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think he blew anyone away, But I think
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: both Claire Ware and Zach Edy, you can go either
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: way with their Their numbers are pretty much the exact same.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: If I'm being completely honest, and they're both on both
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: I believe Zach. I don't know if the heat the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: heat are in the plane for clil Ware and Zach
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Edy is also with Jalen Wells on the Memphis Grizzy's
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: as one of the better defensive teams and also being
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have the exact same for Stefan Castle,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Alexander starrisaw Jalen Wells, and I think that I'm gonna
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: go with Bob Carrington here. I think he's just a
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: fun watch. So almost ten points, four rebounds, four assists,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: forty from the field, which is damn good for a rookie.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: On the Wizards.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: You see Jonas out the air.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: No, no, I didn't see.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: He just grabbed on his shoulder, and so I'm putting
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: the captain. You're steal my rook because he traded.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Oh he was Portland, right Portland?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh no, no?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Where did where did Yonis go to?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: I know they were on the same team, the Kings,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: the Washington, the King the Kings, And he went to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: the Kings. He went to the Kings.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: He went to the Kings. That's what it was.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, the other night, I thought you were asking where
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: he came from.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh no, no, no, no, no, I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: was just trying to remember where he went. But yeah, no,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Kalel where he could easily be rookie team and just
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: shout out to Modus mizells like I said before the
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: pod out to my dog. If he got more burn,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: he'd be he'd be Rookie of the Year. Okay, No, okay,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't be Rookie of the Year. He'd be first team
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: all all rookie. No. But all right, let's let's kind
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: of do the same thing with the second.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I was looking at okay, okay, I was
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: looking at I was looking at them dunk like Mantes
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: and Stefan Castle. Like Stefan Castle goes to murder you,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: like he goes to murder you on the rim like
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Mantas when he goes to dunk is like like he'll
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: like through the air and then like he just kind
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: of avoids contact, but he still dunks it, you know,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: like Stephan Castle.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Just he's just trying to No, he's just trying to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: yeam bro Yeah, no for real, No, But all right,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just list out some names here as
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: far as to build a second team rookie. So you
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: had Khalil, where right, I'll go, I'll.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I'll throw Zach Edie on the second team.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Bub, there's Bob Carrington, Isaiah Zach Zachi Edie,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Donovan Klingen, Madus Buzzellis. There's those guys right there.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: So I'll definitely go for sure on my side, I'll
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: go Zach Edy, Zach Dy, Isaiah Collier Mantis, and then
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: I'll go trying to think of rookies throughout the league.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Ronnie James yep, Ronnie.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: No, I'll probably lean towards what was one of the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: names there.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Is Eve Messy from.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: The New Yeah, he was pretty good. He was pretty
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: good for most of the season. And then so I'll
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: go the fourth and then for my fifth I'll go
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: that different Phoenix was playing pretty good for a little bit,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: but then he kind of fell off.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: What was his name, Oh, Chris not Chris done? Ryan done,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Ryan y those Ryan done. Yeah, there was another guy,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: uh Missseppi or.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Well, then I'll probably go Bub Carrington, Bub Carrington as
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: well as my second team.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I'd have Bub call your Zach e
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: d Modis and then Evie miss miss I can never
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: say his name MESI, Yeah, thank you, all right, that's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: our NBA Awards right there. So we're pretty much gonna
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: get it correct the exact way because we're just that
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: damn good at predicting right here within. So all right,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: before before we end this off with the fantasy draft,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: let's just talk really quick as far as how this
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: standings is, or let's just or I don't want to
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: really give away our playoff predictions, so let's just talk
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: about the Clippers and Warriors here really quick. So, okay, Nuggies,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: if they win, they're in at the four seed. Timberwolves
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: if they beat the Jazz today, they depending on the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: loser of the Clippers and Warriors, they get bounced out
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: of the playoff picture Minnesota, they go into the plane
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: or get out of the plane. So my question for
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: you here today is because this is the only important
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: game today, the Clippers and Warriors, which is in Golden State.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Who's winning this one today and avoiding the play in.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Avoiding the play today the person Warriors.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: So Golden State is minus four and a half. But
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: the matchup predictor on ESPN.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: So Timberwolves have the tiebreaker over either one of them.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: So is that why they're going to move upwards?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, So the Timberwolves, they have to beat the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Jazz today and then they jump whichever whichever team.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah shit, I think I'm going towards the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Clippers and one, I think the Clippers are gonna walk
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: away with this win. I think the way Kawhi James Harden.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: I know Kawhi has been resting up a little bit
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: to even play this one. So James Harden, if each azubatch,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: I think just the they have the better players right now.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: I know, I know Stephan Curry is up there, Jimmy Butler,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: but I just think the way that the Clippers have
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: been playing, I'm definitely gonna lead towards towards them for
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: this one.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: How about you, I'm leaning more towards the Warriors right here.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: I think more because Steph Curry.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the that's the That's why I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: don't want you know what, I'm not going Againstephan Curry.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Give me the Warriors.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, this this is gonna be a playoff game
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: right here. I think this is gonna be interesting, all right.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: The Clippers have won seven in a row.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Dang they want damn they have won seven in a row.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: They they did look really good against the Kings other
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: than that late fourth quarter, they did look really good
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: against the Kings. Mmm, you're kind of convincing me, now,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: you know what, I think, you know what, Give me
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: the Clippers here. Give me the Clippers here.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: I think I'm not switching up. I'm going Clippers.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, give me the Clippers here. I think the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Clippers are gonna win this right here. But all right,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: let's go and do this fantasy draft eight man lineup
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: right here. So we're not doing any all time or
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: nothing like that. So the criteria for today is that,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: So say, for example, you take Luka Doncic, you can't
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: take anybody else with that same start of the first name.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: So if you take Luka Doncic, you can't take Lebron
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: James something along the lines of that. If you take
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: a Jason Tatum, you can't take a Jaylen Brown or
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: somebody along those lines. So all right, Josh heads or
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: tails tells, Hey, SERRII flip a cord. Did you hear it?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: M hm?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: So it's head. So all right, I'm gonna go ahead
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: and get this one out of the way right here.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Give me Nicola Jokic for my first pick right here.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, give me Victor Wimbin Yama. Okay, wait, are they okay?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Are they all healthy right now?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah? They're they're healthy.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, give me Wimby.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: What a shaker here? All right? Give me for my
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: next pick right here. You know what, let's let's make
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: it crazy here. Give me Giannis for my second pick.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Give me Luca.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: You want Shae?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, give me Shay.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I don't have to worry about the s
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: is no more. So I could take Steph a little
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: bit later. Okay, give me give me Jason Tatum.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: At my career. Give me Luca okay.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: So I could take Lebron.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I give me Luca, Luca.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: What are you putting at your Are you putting Shy
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: at your two?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: And? Yeah?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, Shay, Luca. I can have Steph and Lebron on
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: the same team. Well, let me go and get the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: first one out of the way. Give me Steph. Put
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: him out.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: But it's kind of harder than I thought it was
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: gonna Yeah, like it's not. It's not the same as
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: like a back and forth type of like draft. I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: kind of my strategy a little wavered right now.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to you have to think about this
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: one right here.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: You take your honest right.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, I have Giannis Tatum and steph.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah you're winning. Watch you have Lucash Wimby. Yeah, but
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: like you have the size aspect right now? You know
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like I'm trying to think. My mind's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: going blank because I'm trying to think of like names.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Hold on, and I think you picking players is throwing
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: me off too.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: So it's like, oh my gosh, there's one guy. Oh
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: my goodness, I should have took him. Oh oh, I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: hope you don't take him. I hope you don't take him.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I hope you don't take him. I'm being dumb right now, Bro, Yes,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: yes you are, Yes you are. Oh my goodness. I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: just barely thought of this, dude. Oh my goodness, Oh
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: my goodness.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Shoot bro, I don't know, bro, what I'm doing
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: right now. I'm going lank, Dude. I don't like this game, dude.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: This is a struggling It's making me struggle right now.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Bro, make it making you think a little bit.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Let me hold, let me put down your players on
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: my notes real quick. Okay, this my help. If I
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: just have the vision of it.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Actually there's there's three.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Kids, Giannish.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: Who do you have, Steph or Kiannis, Steph Tatum, Lucas Shah.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: She didn't help, man, Dude, what.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean? It's right there, It's it's literally right there.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: It's not right there, bro, not right there.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. At least it popped up. It popped
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: up for me.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Dude, Stop being patrol right now.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Bro, I'm not being a troll. I'll be in so
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: serious because if you don't say his name, I'm gonna
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: say his name right away.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: No, you're not. Hold on, I'm not certain. I'm just
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: trying to where's my top ten player list that I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: made a couple of weeks ago. Dude? Why am I
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: going blank? I hate this game, bro, it's a.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Little bit tougher with this. I didn't realize how tough
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: it was gonna be with that.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: I fought my m v P list. By the way,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: my beginning of the season, like predictions.
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  Speaker 1: What was it? What was your MVP Shay Shaye? Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we both had the same with j Reddick. How you
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: sign before the top ten? Most was Pollo C. You're
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  Speaker 1: part of the problem here, John you went on this
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  Speaker 1: whole most improved player.
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  Speaker 2: Read that, I should you to take Rookie of the
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  Speaker 2: Year with step On Castle six. Man of the Year
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  Speaker 2: was Benedict Mattern. Defensive Player of the Year was Wimby.
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  Speaker 2: How did how did I find that before? My top
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: ten list? It's my top ten list?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. This is making me laugh because the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: board time you're spinning, the more I'm just thinking of
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  Speaker 1: different players right here.
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  Speaker 2: That's your face. Bro. You don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know you're talking now.
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  Speaker 1: Shoot, I mean like he's been brought up in our
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: top tens for sure? For sure?
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  Speaker 2: Control right now, bro, I'm not being control.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: I swear, I swear I'm not being controled right now.
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  Speaker 2: I lost my notes for this podcast. Okay, who's not
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: let me type?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, nah, after after you went on that whole
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: rant and picked Polo for your most improved your notes,
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  Speaker 1: they're not letting you do that no more. I mean,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: just the process of illumination. Here is Luca, Shay, Wemby, Jokice,
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  Speaker 1: Giannis Tatum, Steph. You can't take Lebron because you already
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: took an l.
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  Speaker 2: The only one that's coming into my mind doesn't fit
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  Speaker 2: my system.
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  Speaker 1: There's honestly a great one that fits your system, a
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: great one Jalen Johnson, Taylor john and he'd help out
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  Speaker 1: a lot, a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go with Anthony Davis right here, bro,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: you're gonna go with a d.
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  Speaker 1: Okay bro hm hmm. Should I go Kevin Durant or
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: should I go Anthony Anthony Edwards? That but you could
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: have took you could have you could have took KD.
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  Speaker 2: I take Anthony Davis.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Bro over kd oh, well you need the size you need. Well,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: let me go to and put Kevin Durant on my
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: bench here, which is crazy and.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Luca mm hmm no, but.
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  Speaker 1: A six man Yeah, Kevin Durant off the bench like
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: the Olympics. Like the Olympics. That's disgusting right there.
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  Speaker 2: Well my team, I don't like my team, all.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Right, who's your I know, like, say, Luca Wimby a
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: d oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I got k give me stop making that stupid face.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Stop making that dumb face.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: No, there's another guy. I just remember. There's another guy.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: I just remember.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got an l an s an A and
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  Speaker 1: a w A v no oh v V. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why I read it's because I put Winby down
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  Speaker 1: because I put instead of Victor.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Victor. Hmm okay, I know, I know what.
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  Speaker 1: My next few picks are. Right here. I'm pretty sure.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 2: Give me Jalen Brunton off my bench.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: J Brunson. Yeah, you know what, give me Joel and
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: beat off my bench. Oh whatever, That's why I made
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that face right there. I'm like, wait, everybody is healthy.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: I just don't think of anymore.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm damn near building the Olympic team here.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: Or they give me Kawhi.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a nice one right there, that's a nice one. Well,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: go to go to give me? Or should I go
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: and take one? Two, three, four five before he got hindred?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: You know what you're right now? Give me Lebron. I'm
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: putting them at my two.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: I don't give me oh kaw I can play my three?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I put Kawhi at your three.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: There, mm hmm. Now give me Sam Houser. I just
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: want to due that can hit it, hit shots, bro.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you finished your I'm glad you finished your centence.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: I need to never mind I got Luca. I was like,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: I need a white player, but never mind.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: You got Luca.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, dude, this sucks. Let me look at the
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: teams real quick. Maybe someone will pop out to my brain.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: There's one guy that that should pop up. You were
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: just vouching for him not that long ago.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: No it wasn't.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you were. You're you're vouching for him.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I wanted to take Austin Reaves
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: so bad.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Take him, Take Austin.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Just give me Kate Cunningham.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, I'm like, is he gonna take Kate?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what I was thinking. Are we doing
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: an eight man rotations?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Go to Tennes's see how like how hard it gets? Like,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: it's not hard for me?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Broad Give me for my other player. Give me Devin Booker.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: That's a good pick.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I have eight players doing it.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Okay. I was nearmy well, were you gonna take Devin Booker?
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't take Kobe White.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Just don't don't do that to me. That's pulling my
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: hard strings.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Kate Cunningham. So it's like I can't take them. Where's
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: two season? His name I can't even take Portland Clark.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: There is one guy you haven't. Okay, Okay, that's nice,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: that's nice. Okay, Well go ahead and give me.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I have Anthony Davis, you have E. C. J. V A. K.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: And asking Williams Williams.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Damn, oh damn.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: You just helped yourself out right there.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Like they're all healthy.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Damn it. Okay, what do I have?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Now? I was like, I'm just like Zion right there.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: That's good, okay, S L J G. J oh No
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: and in and for Nicola okicch okay.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Coaches, But we can't use a letter like wait, wait.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, I can't take Joel embiid. I just
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: looked at that. We didn't even pick that up because
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I have Jason Tatum.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tenth Walling b the Linst.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know what, give me give me Cat
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: for that one. I'll take Cat, okay, and then for
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: my next pick. Damn, Now this starts to get tough. Damn,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: this gets tough. Oh, give me give me Tyree's Halliburn.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: That's the thing I'm taking next.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Oh. I'm like, wait, there's there's some there has to
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: be somebody else. One two six seven, eight nine. Oh
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: was that my tenth? Alrighty one two, three, four, five, six,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: seven eight nine ten. Yeah, that's my tenth, right there,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I could take him. Oh, g anaob.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Let me get back to that real quick.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Demonus of Bonus Bro, Cam Johnson Bro. Have you taken
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: a seat? Oh you have? Desmond Baine, Pascal se ok.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, give me Donovan Mitchell, LaMelo Ball, I do
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Mitch all right, let's try to do coaches without Okay,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: who could I go with? I haven't taken you know what?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I have taken a J damn it. I can't take J.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: J Reddick. Did I take a k?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Oh? I did take a K. I can't take Kenny
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Atkinson J No, not J. B. Baker steph damn Donovan Bro.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not going with that guy. No wait, I have
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: a taken No Mark Dagnall. I'll take Mark Dagnall.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: All right, give me.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's crazy. They're all healthy. You're talking peak
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: peak hill.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: You know what you're right health he's gonna be having
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: these full run hills. Imagine. Never mind, Yeah, don't say that.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Don't I know what you're gonna say. But all right,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: all right. For our NBA fantasy draft where we could
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: only pick.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Bro I Fox to do an interview yesterday, and he
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: was saying, like, who the fastest players in the NBA?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: And he said, Zion is up there. He said, you
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: just don't know it because he'd be waddling when he'd
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: be running so moving fast. But he's moving pretty fast
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: for real.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Just imagine just like two seven, just walling at you.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: But okay, it's the four to four coming at you. Honestly,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: how fast do you think some of these guys could
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: run a forty yard dash?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Darren Fox could run like a four to three.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I think I'm and Thompson. I know, I keep bringing
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: up Aman Thompson, but am and Thompson is one of
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: the fastest players in the league. Who else could run
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: a four to three? Do you think Steph m.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: No, I think he's more like long Chase, but he
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: can shut run like a four, four to seven, I'll say,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: like a four to six. You think?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: And and could I think he could run like a
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: four to four?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Hm hmmm. Who's somebody else? Zach Levine? I think I
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: think Zach. I don't know. I don't know so much anymore,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: who's somebody else?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: How fast do you think Winby's fourth forty is?
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think his ten ten yards split would be
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: something insane because he'd have to take two fucking steps.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: But then after that, I think it's like like a
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: four to nine. I think like a four to nine.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: But his tenth, his ten yards split's gonna be like one,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: not even one second.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Or nine at seven foot four is crazy.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie to you, bro, No for real. No,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I think Kobe White, he has a quick first step. No,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think of four to three. I don't think
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: of four to three. I'm trying to go.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of this players that are fast.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: What do you think Lebron's forty is right now? Like
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: a four six right now? Like a four to five.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I think like a four to five. But also we've
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: never seen like six foot seven guys that are this quick,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: like we've seen linemen, but they run like oh no, well,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: lineman are starting to run like four eights, now four nines.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: So what you think that what? Now?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: You know what? Forty definitely would be slow?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Nicola Jokic, Nicolay, you.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't even try like the.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Fives, he'd be in the fives easily. Another guy trying
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: to think, who's another guy you know who would be one?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Darius Garland. Darius Garland would be one, I think for
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: sure now. But all right, before we end this off,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: let's let's list these fantasy drafts where we could only
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: pick one guy from one letter of the alphabet. So
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: I got Steph Lebron, Jason Hatum, Giannis, Nicola Jokic, Kevin Durant,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns, Devin Booker, Anthony Edwars, Tyres Halliburn, and
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Mark Dagnall.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: For my head coach, I got Victorinama, Shay Luca, Anthony Davis,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson, Cole Leonard, Kate Cunningham, Edmond Mobley, Zion Liamson,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, and my coach is Greg Popovich.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, Josh, any last words before we
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: get out of here?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Mmm?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: No, all right, that's pretty much sounds pretty simple right
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: there now. But all right, guys, well, next week it's
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: gonna be playoff time, NBA playoff time, actually playing time,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: so we're gonna do play in and then playoff predictions
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: as far as what we're gonna think, but we'll see
• 1:31:44
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