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Accused CHILD sex perv Ghislaine Maxwell facing NEW CHARGES! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Breaking news in the last hour. She has a British accent.
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Speaker 1: She's sitting on about twenty million plus dollars. She's gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: she has all the manners you can imagine, and she's
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Speaker 1: charged with sex attacks on girls Elaine and Maxwell in
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Speaker 1: the last hours, hit with brand new sex assault charges
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Speaker 1: on miners. This as she is facing trial in just weeks.
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Speaker 1: Listen to the latest. Delaine Maxwell, a longtime confident of
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, is facing new charges for the first time,
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Speaker 1: accused of sex trafficking of a minor. It's a new
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Speaker 1: indictment accusing her of helping recruit and paying a fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl to engage in sexual acts with Epstein
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Speaker 1: between two thousand and one and two thousand and four.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell pleaded not guilty to previous charges tied to Epstein.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people arguing legal eagles, legal scholars. Why
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Speaker 1: did the federal government wait till now, the midnight hour,
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Speaker 1: the eleventh hour before trial to come up with new charges?
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Speaker 1: You know what? Instead of asking that, why don't we
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Speaker 1: ask did Gillaine Maxwell loure little girls for massages with
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Speaker 1: perv Jeffrey Epstein? Why don't we ask that? See if
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Speaker 1: that she fits with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Jessica Pride tex Assault lawyer with the Pride
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Speaker 1: Firm and you can find her on Insta at the
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Speaker 1: Pride Law Firm, Twitter at Pride Lawyer pronounced Psychoanalysts and
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Speaker 1: joining us today Doctor Bethany Marshall. She's now in the
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Speaker 1: new Netflix series Bling Empire, and she's at doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Former FBI a Facebook star on Curse
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Speaker 1: of Acacre, Bobby Chicone joining us Justin Boardman former Detective
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Speaker 1: Special Victims Unit, West VALLEYPD Boardman training and consulting at
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Speaker 1: Justin Boardman dot com. But first to Charlie Lankson, editor
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Speaker 1: with The Daily Mail. You can find her on Twitter
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Speaker 1: and Insta at Charlie Lanks l A n K S. Charlie,
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Speaker 1: does it never end with this woman? First of all,
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Speaker 1: I agree with everybody that this is a day late,
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Speaker 1: but not a dollar short. We are heading into the
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Speaker 1: trial and in the last hours the state the Feds
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Speaker 1: deliver a super seeding indictment with two brand new felony charges. Hey, Charlie,
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut a Victoria Arbiter with seven News Australia.
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Speaker 1: Just a week after her third request for bail was denied.
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Speaker 1: Gillan Maxwell is facing new charges. Yes Today, US prosecutors
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Speaker 1: announced that they're expanding their criminal case against her. The
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Speaker 1: new eight count indictment accuses Gillen Maxwell of grooming and
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Speaker 1: paying for a fourteen year old girl to engage in
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Speaker 1: sex acts with Jeffrey Epstein at his Palm Beach, Florida
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Speaker 1: home between two thousand and one and two thousand and four. Now,
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Speaker 1: Maxwell was already facing counts dating back to the mid nineties,
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Speaker 1: but these new charges broad in the timeframe considerably and
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Speaker 1: add an alleged fourth victim. Maxwell is accused of scheduling
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Speaker 1: these encounters and of paying the young girl hundreds of
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Speaker 1: dollars in cash after each visit, and then is at
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Speaker 1: true Charlie lengths and joining us from dailymail dot Com
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Speaker 1: that in order to make the young girls as young
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Speaker 1: as fourteen, Jack, you know that's less than a year
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Speaker 1: older than my little Lucy. Just think about that in
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Speaker 1: your mind, that she would send them racy large ray
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Speaker 1: from her Manhattan condo, that she would be there in
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach sometimes greeting the little girls at the door
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Speaker 1: and leading them into a massage room where Epstein would
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Speaker 1: show up but naked. I don't even want to think
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Speaker 1: about that. But then she would disrobe as well to
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Speaker 1: make the little girls feel more comfortable with the fact
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Speaker 1: that they had to strip down. You know what just
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Speaker 1: started at the beginning. Charlie, you know more than I
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Speaker 1: do on this. Well, I think you've said it very correctly.
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Speaker 1: What Gelayne did was nothing. I'm going to throw up.
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Speaker 1: I feel like coming out just talking about when I
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Speaker 1: thought about my little girl Charlie and these girls at
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Speaker 1: the same age. But I think what's really shocking is
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Speaker 1: she tried to befriend them. She became a figure of
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Speaker 1: support for them. She took them shopping, She acted as
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Speaker 1: though she was like another mother figure, a big sister
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Speaker 1: to them, at least according to this indictment, and we
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Speaker 1: have reports that she would be there on hand when
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Speaker 1: these girls turned up at one of Epstein's properties to
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Speaker 1: make them feel more comfortable. She would then unre in
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Speaker 1: order for the girls to feel more comfortable taking their
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Speaker 1: clothes off. She would show them how to massage Epstein
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Speaker 1: the way that he liked it. I think wait wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait, how to massage him the way he liked it? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we understand that you might call what to do massage,
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Speaker 1: but I call it something very different. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of names for it. It's called masturbating somebody. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the nicest way I can say it. You know,
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Speaker 1: way back when we call it a half and half
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Speaker 1: when I was prosecuted. I won't go into any other details,
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Speaker 1: but this is These are fourteen year old girls that
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Speaker 1: we know of. So explain to me. You just said,
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Speaker 1: Charlie Lankson, let me put your feet to the fire
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Speaker 1: one moment, that she was like a sister or a
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Speaker 1: mother to these girls, are you That's how she tried
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Speaker 1: to make herself seem. When you look at this indictment
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Speaker 1: and you see the befa that she displayed, that's what
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Speaker 1: she was trying to do. She was trying to be
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Speaker 1: a confidante to these young girls so that they trusted
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Speaker 1: her implicitly. Now, we know from previous reports that a
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Speaker 1: lot of these girls were incredibly vulnerable. Not all of
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Speaker 1: them came from supportive homes. They were looking for someone
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Speaker 1: that they could turn to for advice, for help, for guidance.
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Speaker 1: They stepped into that role. Hold on, I want to
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Speaker 1: follow up something you just said with our panel. They've
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Speaker 1: got Jessica Prye, doctor, Bethany Marshall, Babbage, Coon, Justin Boardman,
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Speaker 1: Justin to you, former detective Special Victims Unit. Isn't that
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Speaker 1: how it always goes? Because I prosecuted so many cases
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Speaker 1: where the perp would befriend the child. And I've told
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Speaker 1: this before. There was a little boy. Looking back, I
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Speaker 1: think he may have been artistic, but he loved video
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Speaker 1: arcades and the molester would give him roles of quarters
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Speaker 1: in exchange for sodomy. A little boy about eleven years
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Speaker 1: old that was autistic and as mom didn't know what
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Speaker 1: was happening until she found a fifty dollar bill folded
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Speaker 1: up in his blue chains, and she knew something was
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Speaker 1: very wrong. And is that the way you saw it
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Speaker 1: when you were on the force. Absolutely it was, and
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Speaker 1: that would be part of my building the case was
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Speaker 1: looking for those grooming manipulation sort of behaviors. You know,
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Speaker 1: did they do anything to help control the situation or
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Speaker 1: help get the victim isolated away from their comfort system,
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Speaker 1: their support systems, like going to the mansion, you know
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Speaker 1: were they selected, if they were because they were an
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Speaker 1: easier target, did they use knowledge to control them? Things
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Speaker 1: like that, I would start building my foundation of my
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Speaker 1: case with those type of behaviors crime stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: those of you just joining us. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: it has been announced that British Society, maybe Gilaine Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: has been charged with two additional felony counts about procuring
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Speaker 1: I guess that's one nice way of putting it. Little
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Speaker 1: girls for her buddy, former lover Jeffrey Epstein to Moleste.
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Speaker 1: Can you even imagine sending your little girl into a
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Speaker 1: massage room and Epstein comes out naked? I don't even
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Speaker 1: want to think about that, But that's what happened according
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Speaker 1: to the Feds. Many people arguing, why is this just happening?
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Speaker 1: We're about to start the trial. Why are they adding
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Speaker 1: two new charges? Yeah, I agree that the timing is off. Jessica,
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Speaker 1: I don't like it. But what I like even less,
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Speaker 1: what's in these allegations Jessica Bride. Yeah, I think this
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Speaker 1: is about snitching. They are trying to put added pressure
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Speaker 1: on her to cooperate because these new charges are a
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Speaker 1: big deal. The reason why they're a big deal is
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Speaker 1: because before she wasn't facing a mandatory minimum sentence. Now
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Speaker 1: he's facing a mandatory minimum sentence of ten years fifteen
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Speaker 1: if they can prove she enticed the girls using fraud,
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Speaker 1: which meaning she pretended that it was a legitimate job
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Speaker 1: at first. So with this added hammer, they're really putting
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Speaker 1: the pressure on her to help them out and to
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Speaker 1: give information. I think she was keeping her mouth shut
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Speaker 1: and she was not helping the prosecutor. And they probably
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Speaker 1: knew about this other victim before, and they had probably
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Speaker 1: told her, hey, right now, you don't have a mandatory
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Speaker 1: minimum sentence, but if you don't cooperate, we're going to
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Speaker 1: at it. Which is exactly why they added it now
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Speaker 1: and why they're able to go forward with the trial
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Speaker 1: on July twelfth, because I think they already knew about
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Speaker 1: the information. You mean, the fans already knew about the information,
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Speaker 1: or the defense already knew. Because what's the catch is
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Speaker 1: the defense has to have time to prepare to battle
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Speaker 1: these charges at trial, and they're going to claim they
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Speaker 1: didn't know and they're gonna want a delay in the trial. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I agree, they are trial probably going to ask for
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Speaker 1: a continuance but they probably alluded to it. I think
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Speaker 1: the Thuds knew about it. They were just hoping that
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Speaker 1: Jeline would turn over and talk about very rich and wealthy,
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Speaker 1: powerful people she has information about. Let's just call it
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Speaker 1: as it is, potentially Bill Clinton, potentially Prince Andrew, potentially
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, potentially a lot of other wealthy people. They
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Speaker 1: all say no, they had nothing to do with this,
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Speaker 1: but those are names that have been boiling in the stew.
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Speaker 1: That is Guillaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Are they involved,
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Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see. But you know what you just said,
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Speaker 1: it so beautifully and so perfectly. You know you really
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Speaker 1: ought to be a trial lawyer. Guy. She is is
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Speaker 1: Jessica Pride, sex assault lawyer joining us. That's exactly what
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Speaker 1: the Feds have done. And I gotta tell you, Bobby
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Speaker 1: should come. When I talk about the Feds, I always
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Speaker 1: say the same thing because I was a FED for
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Speaker 1: three years before I started prosecuting violent crime. The fans
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Speaker 1: don't play. They do not play. If you do not
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Speaker 1: do what they want you to do, they will go
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Speaker 1: after you. And the part the irony here is what
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Speaker 1: they use is legit. They're not going after you with
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Speaker 1: false claims. I guarantee you they've backed this up. Tea's
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Speaker 1: crossed eyes dotted on these other two claims, they got
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Speaker 1: the goods sure. I mean, if you look at the
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Speaker 1: conviction rates on at the federal level used to train
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Speaker 1: this is much higher than on local all this. Obviously
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons for that, but one of
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Speaker 1: them is we are very thorough. I mean, I used
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Speaker 1: to work years on a case before I bot or
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Speaker 1: two indictment, and then many times there were superseding indictments
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Speaker 1: because a lot of things happen between when you indict
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Speaker 1: and when you go to trial. Other witnesses come forward
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Speaker 1: because they know about the case, or there's there's negotiations
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Speaker 1: with witnesses, or you have to get a witness to
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Speaker 1: the point where you're confident to put them on the stand,
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Speaker 1: because there's a process that a witness goes through before
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Speaker 1: they can be a good witness at trial, so you
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Speaker 1: know they This superseding indictment does add minor victim number four.
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Speaker 1: It also brings the activity more recent from two thousand
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Speaker 1: and one now to two thousand and four, where the
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Speaker 1: previous indictment ended. I believe in nineteen ninety seven, So
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Speaker 1: you're talking about more recent crimes. You're talking about additional crimes.
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Speaker 1: So you can bet that they did their homework. That
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Speaker 1: did their homework in preparing this new witness, this minor
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Speaker 1: witness number four, minutim minor victim number four, and they
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Speaker 1: felt that this was the time, you know, to add
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Speaker 1: these charges because they're confident that they can prove them
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Speaker 1: before jury. Guys, you're hearing from Bobby Chico and former
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Speaker 1: FBII Facebook star Curse of Eca Core. Back to Charlie
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Speaker 1: Langston reporting on the very latest in the case against well,
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Speaker 1: let me just say high society pimp. That's what the
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Speaker 1: state's alleging the fans. Anyway, Let's go back to Charlie
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Speaker 1: Langston with Dailymail dot com. Charlie, listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: at seven years Victoria arbit Or Cutbe. She was arrested
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Speaker 1: at her New Hampshire home at last July. She's since
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Speaker 1: been held at a Brooklyn detention center, where the conditions
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Speaker 1: are said to be pretty grim. Her trial is due
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Speaker 1: to begin on July twelfth, but there's been no word
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Speaker 1: as yet as to whether or not her lawyers will
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Speaker 1: try to delay the start to that trial. Now that
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Speaker 1: there are these new charges, but as you mentioned, everyone
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Speaker 1: is very keen to hear from her directly. Oh, they'll
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Speaker 1: totally try to delay the trial as they should. Is
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Speaker 1: that Jessica jumping in or is that Charlie Charlie jumpy
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Speaker 1: and Charlie. You know they're going to delay, and they
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Speaker 1: deserve a delay. Delay. Delay delays a defense attorney's best
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Speaker 1: friend for many, many reasons, but in this case, with
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Speaker 1: brand new charges that kken mandatory minimus of ten to
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Speaker 1: fifteen years, Yeah, they're asking for a delay. Go ahead, Charlie, Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean I was going to say it's completely changed
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Speaker 1: the game. They will. I mean, they would be crazy
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Speaker 1: not to ask for a delay. To be completely frank,
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Speaker 1: and to go back to that expanded time frame. That
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Speaker 1: is incredibly significant for another reason because it was during
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Speaker 1: the years of two thousand and one to two thousand
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Speaker 1: and four, which is when these new charges are dated,
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Speaker 1: that Epstein was associating with people like Bill Clinton and
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. So while they have not been named specifically
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Speaker 1: in this updated indictment, this really does give new cause
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Speaker 1: for the FBI to call people like that in for questioning.
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Speaker 1: We know that Prince Andrew specifically was socializing with Epstein
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Speaker 1: during these years. And Andrew is already facing increased pressure
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Speaker 1: in the UK as a result to this news to
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Speaker 1: fly over to the US and speak to the FBI
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Speaker 1: about his association. So that's not going to happen. That
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Speaker 1: is not going to happen. I just saw a picture
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Speaker 1: of him yesterday going around his estate with two young
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Speaker 1: horse grooms. They're all three on beautiful prize winning horses.
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Speaker 1: That guy is not coming to the US to speak
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Speaker 1: to the FBI. Not going to happen unless he's forced to. Now, Actually,
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Speaker 1: how did Clinton and Trump fit into this mix? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know Clinton flew on the Lowlita Express, yeah, private plane.
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Speaker 1: That does not mean he engaged in underage sex. And
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Speaker 1: I know Trump was maybe photoed with Gillaine Maxwell, but
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Speaker 1: that in no way implicates him in any wrongdoing for
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Speaker 1: author of them. But is that why they're in the mix? Well,
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Speaker 1: because it increases the time frame. So whereas previously the
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Speaker 1: time frame went up to nineteen ninety seven, Trump, Clinton, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: they could all get away with saying well, we have
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Speaker 1: no known connections with Maxwell during that time. That is
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Speaker 1: now changed because she is now being charged with crimes
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Speaker 1: up until two thousand and four. We know that Clinton
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Speaker 1: and Andrew specifically were associating with Epstein during the early
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Speaker 1: two thousands, so that really does bring them into the mix.
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Speaker 1: You are very much correct. Their associations with Epstein does
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Speaker 1: not mean necessarily that they were involved in any criminal activity,
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Speaker 1: but it does mean that they may have pertinent information
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Speaker 1: that could be incredibly useful in this specific case against Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Right for all, we know to play devil's advocate. You
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Speaker 1: know how Gulaine Maxwell and Epstein would throw these lavish
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Speaker 1: parties and they would have turns of photographers running around
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Speaker 1: taking photos. You know, I know they would want to
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Speaker 1: pose with either Clinton or Trump. You know they would.
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Speaker 1: So does that mean any wrong doing? No, everything must
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Speaker 1: be proven in a court of law. Crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about brand new charges.
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Speaker 1: The fans have pulled down the hammer on Delaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: She's accused of basically being a high priced pimp madam.
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Speaker 1: So to speak to her pervy boyfriend Jeffrey Epstein, a millionaire.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Scott Jones, Fox fifty nine. There
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Speaker 1: are new charges against Glaine Maxwell. The associating girlfriend of
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Speaker 1: the late Jeffrey Epstein. Prosecutors say that she helped run
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Speaker 1: his underage sex trafficking ring. Federal prosecutors added two new
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Speaker 1: counts of sex trafficking, conspiracy, and sex trafficking of a minor.
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Speaker 1: The attorneys added a fourth victim to the case, a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old who they say was recruited for Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell's accused of paying the teen hundreds of dollars each
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Speaker 1: illegal sexual act and sending gifts, including lingerie or home.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell has pled not guilty and a schedule to stand
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Speaker 1: trial in July. Sending a fourteen year old little girl
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Speaker 1: lingerie at her home. That's pretty bold, and that was
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Speaker 1: Scott Jones at Pots fifty nine. Earlier, you were hearing
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Speaker 1: our friend Lesterholt at NBC News. Now I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a listen to the US attorney for the
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Speaker 1: Southern District of New York. This is Audrey Stress. Maxwell
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Speaker 1: was among Epstein's closest associatest and helped him exploit girls
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Speaker 1: who were as young as fourteen years old. Maxwell played
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Speaker 1: a critical role in helping Epstein to identify a friend
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Speaker 1: and groom minor dictives for abuse. In some cases, Maxwell
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Speaker 1: participated in the abuse herself as a legged Maxwell and
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Speaker 1: Epstein had a method. Typically, they would friend these young
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Speaker 1: girls by asking them questions about their lives, pretending to
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Speaker 1: be taking an interest in them. They would take them
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Speaker 1: to the movies and treat them to shopping trips. Maxwell
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Speaker 1: would encourage these young girls to accept offers from Epstein
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Speaker 1: to pay for their travel and their education, making these
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Speaker 1: young victims feel indebted to Jeffrey Epstein. Now what is
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Speaker 1: Gillaine Maxwell, a millionaire from the family of a multi
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Speaker 1: millionaire in Great Britain doing taking these old girls out
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Speaker 1: to shopping malls? Why? I mean, the jury is going
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Speaker 1: to have to think this thing through. She is rubbing
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Speaker 1: elbows with Clinton and Trump and Prince Andrew and all
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Speaker 1: sorts of wealthy multi millionaires from all over the world.
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Speaker 1: So what's her interest and a fourteen year old little girl?
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Speaker 1: That'd be the first thing I would say the jury
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Speaker 1: right there, let me try doctor Bethany Marshall again. It
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Speaker 1: psycho analyst to the stars joining us d jor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Are you there? Yes, I'm here, Can you hear me?
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Speaker 1: I'm ready hit me? Oh hey? Her interest in these
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Speaker 1: underage girls is a hundred and sixty eight million dollars.
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Speaker 1: You know, we have a term in my field. It's
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Speaker 1: called secondary gains. It means you're getting something out of
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Speaker 1: very sick or disturbed or perverted behavior. A more benign
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Speaker 1: example would be like a young girl is anorexic in
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Speaker 1: a family, and you wonder what's keeping the anorexia going
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Speaker 1: even though she's in a lot of therapy. And then
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Speaker 1: you realize that her family's fawning over her, giving her
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Speaker 1: a lot of attention, poking food at her all the time.
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Speaker 1: So she's getting something out of the symptoms. And I
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Speaker 1: think in this case, although Gillen may have been perverse herself,
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Speaker 1: she had secondary gains. She got to rub elbows with
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Speaker 1: very wealthy people. She got millions of dollars. She got
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Speaker 1: to fly on what you call the Lolita Express. Have
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Speaker 1: you seen the Islands, Nancy? It was beautiful servants at
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Speaker 1: her disposal, a mansion in New York City on that
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Speaker 1: limited access to Jeffrey Epstein's wealth. I don't think she
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Speaker 1: was in love with him anymore. I think she had
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Speaker 1: moved on. Perhaps they were friends, but she supplied her
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Speaker 1: with a lifestyle. And you put that along with a
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Speaker 1: lack of a conscience, not really caring about these young girls.
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Speaker 1: And you asked earlier about where were their parents. They
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Speaker 1: all came from poor families, Nancy. Their parents had to work.
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Speaker 1: Their parents didn't have like three to sixty on their phones,
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Speaker 1: you know, tracking their girls. Their families were like as
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Speaker 1: a local circle k or Target or Walmart, just trying
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Speaker 1: to pay the family's rent, so they couldn't keep track
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Speaker 1: on these girls. Speak of the contrast between hundreds tens
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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars gil And had at her disposal
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Speaker 1: and the five or ten dollars these parents scraped together
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Speaker 1: to give to their girls on the daily basis, and
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Speaker 1: then gill And gives them rolls of cash. It's just
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Speaker 1: a really sick pattern. But I would say it was
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Speaker 1: the millions of dollars and the rubbing elbows with high
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Speaker 1: powered people that kept her there. Back to Justin Boardman,
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Speaker 1: former Detective Special Victims Unit West VALIPD. What doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: just said really hit home to me because I remember
22:43
Speaker 1: my dad would work all kind of crazy hours. We
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Speaker 1: call them tricks with the railroad, the first trick, the
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Speaker 1: second trick, the third trick. It means the shift. My
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Speaker 1: mom wouldn't get home sometimes six or seven o'clock at
22:58
Speaker 1: night from work. That gives from three o'clock. If Yellaine
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Speaker 1: Maxwell or to pick these children up from school and
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Speaker 1: take them to Epstein's mansion, that gives till seven o'clock.
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Speaker 1: That's four hours. That's plenty of time for these sex
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Speaker 1: sext to occur and the parents never knowing what was
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Speaker 1: going on. Justin absolutely all part of the grooming process again,
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Speaker 1: which would be a documentation for my case. So finding
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Speaker 1: the vulnerabilities in her targets, if you will, and exploiting
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Speaker 1: them and showing that she was she was safe and
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Speaker 1: she could provide for them, buy them gifts, give them money.
23:49
Speaker 1: Then also to do that if they recruited more so
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Speaker 1: if they wanted more of that attention, if they wanted
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Speaker 1: more of those gifts, they would recruit other young girls. Well,
24:02
Speaker 1: that's interesting that you just said that, because that is
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Speaker 1: part of what is claimed here that this new victim
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Speaker 1: number four but actually recruit other girls. So let's take
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Speaker 1: a listen again to the US Attorney for the Southern
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Speaker 1: District of New York. This is Audrey Strouss. Maxwell and
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Speaker 1: Epstein worked together to entice these minor victims to travel
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Speaker 1: to Epstein's residences depicted on the depicted on the other
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Speaker 1: chart at the front of the room, his residence in
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Speaker 1: New York City on the outher east Side, as well
24:35
Speaker 1: as Palm Beach, Florida, and Santa Fe, New Mexico. Some
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Speaker 1: of the acts of abuse also took place in Maxwell's
24:44
Speaker 1: residence in London. King, can you imagine these girls who
24:48
Speaker 1: came from nowhere and had nothing being flown around on
24:52
Speaker 1: a plane. Take a listen to more of Audrey Strauss. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're developing a rapport with the victims. Maxwell then tried
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Speaker 1: to normalize sexual abuse with the minor victim were process
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Speaker 1: known as grooming. For example, Maxwell would discuss sexual topics
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Speaker 1: with the victim and undressed in front of the victim
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Speaker 1: or being present for sets acts involving the minor victims
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Speaker 1: and Epstein. Maxwell's presence as an adult woman helped with
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Speaker 1: the victims at ease. As Maxwell and Epstein intended, this
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Speaker 1: grooming process left the minor victims susceptible the sexual abuse.
25:35
Speaker 1: That abuse included sexualized massages during which the minor victim
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Speaker 1: was fully or partially nude. These sexualized massages developed into
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Speaker 1: sexual encounters for which Maxwell, in some instances was present
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Speaker 1: and participated factor. Charlie Langston with a dailymail dot Com Charlie,
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Speaker 1: I understand that a long with these new charges, there
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Speaker 1: is now a threat to Gilaine Maxwell's financial empire and
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Speaker 1: the savings of her new husband. Explain yea. So prosecutors
26:12
Speaker 1: have said that if she is convicted, they will go
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Speaker 1: after her fortune and her husband's fortune. The couple are
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Speaker 1: said to be worth around twenty two point five million
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Speaker 1: dollars together. So this is yet another threat. Not only
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Speaker 1: could Gillayne end up in prison for a very long time,
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Speaker 1: but she could also see the majority of the wealth
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Speaker 1: that she has built up, and we've talked about how
26:35
Speaker 1: important that wealth was to her that could also be
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Speaker 1: taken from her. So she stands to lose a lot
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Speaker 1: more than just ten years of her life, fifteen years
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Speaker 1: of her life in jail. You know, I noticed in
26:47
Speaker 1: the wording by the Feds that they said that they
26:51
Speaker 1: are going after her money and if she has commingled
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Speaker 1: her money or transfer her money to anyone else or
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Speaker 1: any other account, if that money is not easily detachable
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Speaker 1: from the other account, they'll take that other account too.
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Speaker 1: What I'm talking about is the husband's savings crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace to Jessica Pride sex assault lawyer joining
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Speaker 1: us in staff at the Pride to law firm. Jessica,
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Speaker 1: how does that work? And it's entirely legal. They can
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Speaker 1: see these assets. That's why you shouldn't commit crimes. Yeah,
27:44
Speaker 1: she's sea seeing life in prison as she should. That
27:49
Speaker 1: is a pittance that she has to pay compared to
27:53
Speaker 1: what she has done to these victims. So not only
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Speaker 1: is she going to face having her finances is taken
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Speaker 1: by the federal government, she also can be sued in
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Speaker 1: civil court by the survivors and they can sue her
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Speaker 1: for what she has done to them. So I hope
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Speaker 1: all of her assets are not only seized or she's
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Speaker 1: sued for them. Because she sentenced these survivors to a
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Speaker 1: life sentence. We know that sexual trauma is something that
28:24
Speaker 1: does not go away. It lives with a child for
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Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, which is why we are
28:30
Speaker 1: still here talking about this case here today, because those
28:33
Speaker 1: survivors are not okay and they deserve to be compensated.
28:37
Speaker 1: They're not. And not only that Charles have gone after
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Speaker 1: the known victims and If you notice in this superseding indictment,
28:45
Speaker 1: this new victim is named victim number four. Many people
28:50
Speaker 1: will argue that the fans are using victim number four
28:53
Speaker 1: to corroborate or bolster the rest of their case, and
28:57
Speaker 1: that may be true, may not like at but so
29:00
Speaker 1: what if the allegations are true, that is the crime,
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Speaker 1: not the federal government's methods in catching a pimp? I
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Speaker 1: want to follow. Can we just stop using the word pimp.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand what she's charged with enticing these people,
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Speaker 1: but you know, I have whore the word pimp because
29:23
Speaker 1: it marginalizes her activity. Both we heard from the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: earlier and if you read the indictment, Gallaine Maxwell actively
29:29
Speaker 1: participated in this abuse. She did not just arrange for
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein to have these girls. She actively participated, and
29:38
Speaker 1: it's spelled out in some of the overt acts in
29:40
Speaker 1: the indictment where she was an abuser herself. And I
29:44
Speaker 1: think that the more we say that she was his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend and getting girls for him, it marginalizes the fact
29:50
Speaker 1: that she herself was an abuser. She at least on
29:53
Speaker 1: one occasion spelled out in the indictment, she massaged one
29:56
Speaker 1: of these girls while the miner was topless. She may
29:59
Speaker 1: have used sex boys on some of these victims. So
30:01
Speaker 1: she was an abuser herself. And I think the more
30:04
Speaker 1: we we term her as a pimp or someone who
30:08
Speaker 1: just facilitated getting these girls to Jeffrey Epstein, it minimizes
30:12
Speaker 1: the fact that she herself abused these victims. You know what,
30:17
Speaker 1: You're right back on that hold on Bethey because I
30:19
Speaker 1: want to throw you a question based on something Jessica
30:22
Speaker 1: just said, But you can incorporate what Bobby Checode just
30:24
Speaker 1: says as well. When you're a crime, victim of violent
30:28
Speaker 1: crimes such as a sex assault, it never goes away.
30:32
Speaker 1: I don't care how many years pass. You wake up
30:35
Speaker 1: at night reliving it, you dream about it. It makes
30:40
Speaker 1: you feel sick to your stomach when you remember it.
30:43
Speaker 1: You blame yourself for what happened. Why did I do this?
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Speaker 1: Why did I let that happen? Why did I go?
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Speaker 1: What was wrong with me? And you live with the
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Speaker 1: shame of it like it's your fault the rest of
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Speaker 1: your life. Victims a violent crime never get over it.
31:00
Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy. And the part about you blaming them
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Speaker 1: blaming themselves is what I wanted to pick up on
31:06
Speaker 1: fourteen years of age where the child is developmentally, is
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Speaker 1: that they are separating from their parents. They're attaching to
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Speaker 1: their peers and their school teachers. They are not wanting
31:19
Speaker 1: to be at home. They're just on the brink of
31:21
Speaker 1: wanting to experiment and learn who they are in the world.
31:25
Speaker 1: And that's why if you have a fourteen year old,
31:27
Speaker 1: they're going to walk around with headsets on or there,
31:31
Speaker 1: you know, what are their little earpieces in. They're going
31:33
Speaker 1: to have the radio kind of pumped up. They're going
31:37
Speaker 1: to be wanting to, you know, skateboard down the street
31:40
Speaker 1: because their parents, the family home is not where the
31:44
Speaker 1: action is for them developmentally. It is the larger world.
31:48
Speaker 1: They're preparing to leave home. So Jeffrey Epstein and Dylan
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Speaker 1: Maxwell exploited that very vulnerable age where the victim would agree.
31:59
Speaker 1: The victim would say, say, oh, this is kind of cool.
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Speaker 1: I've never been in a mansion before. Hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 1: of dollars with us or one hundred dollar bills. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I get to be an a limo. Oh, this girl's cool.
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Speaker 1: I have never ever met somebody like her. My parents
32:13
Speaker 1: are kind of funny daddies. So I think it's the
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Speaker 1: exploitation of where the girls were developmentally that really particularly
32:20
Speaker 1: makes me sick. When you're kidnapped, you know you played
32:25
Speaker 1: no role in that. If somebody rapes you in a
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Speaker 1: parking lot, you know that it wasn't your fault because
32:31
Speaker 1: you were walking through the parking lot. But when you
32:33
Speaker 1: are fourteen years old and you're easily enticed to want
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Speaker 1: to know anything and everything about the world, and so
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Speaker 1: you say yes, and you go forward, and then in
32:44
Speaker 1: the blink of that eye, you become a victim. I
32:47
Speaker 1: think that's where the trauma is. Nancy, and what you
32:49
Speaker 1: were talking about dreaming at night, it's called flashbacks. I mean,
32:53
Speaker 1: let's think about the symptoms of post traumatic stress, isolation, detatchment,
32:59
Speaker 1: dissociative phenomena, numbing, distrust of the world, cheerfulness, crying, depression,
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Speaker 1: predisposition to substance abuse. This is what these girls are
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Speaker 1: going to be suffering from for the rest of their lives.
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Speaker 1: It's not just that I fell off my skateboard when
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Speaker 1: I was skating away from the family home because I
33:19
Speaker 1: was sick of my parents. I was molested because my
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Speaker 1: developmental age was used against me. Another thing I've learned
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, is it's not so much the physical act,
33:34
Speaker 1: just for instance, a sex toy being used on you
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Speaker 1: at age fourteen, but the feeling of helplessness that sticks
33:42
Speaker 1: with a sex attack victim for the rest of their life.
33:46
Speaker 1: That helpless feeling can creep over you at any time.
33:51
Speaker 1: It can be on an elevator, you can be right
33:53
Speaker 1: in your car. Some act may trigger a memory and
33:56
Speaker 1: that stifling feeling of completely being helped takes over. Well,
34:01
Speaker 1: here's what happens with trauma. Whatever is happening in the
34:05
Speaker 1: present that seems similar to what happened in the past
34:09
Speaker 1: will be seen as identical. I once treated a sex
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Speaker 1: abuse victim. She grew up in the Ozarks. She was
34:16
Speaker 1: assaulted by cousins, uncles, multiple family members. She told me
34:21
Speaker 1: that she felt psychologically like a baseball stop. It like
34:24
Speaker 1: in a baseball game. Anybody could just like run over
34:27
Speaker 1: her and she was there for their pleasure. And she
34:30
Speaker 1: finally got into a wonderful marriage with a really wonderful man,
34:35
Speaker 1: but she couldn't have sex with him because at the
34:38
Speaker 1: moment of intercourse she would imagine she was being raped.
34:42
Speaker 1: So she was doomed to a sexless marriage because of
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Speaker 1: that phenomena you're talking about that the current trigger felt
34:49
Speaker 1: identical with the past traumatic event, and that will happen
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Speaker 1: again and again for any of your listeners who have trauma.
34:55
Speaker 1: That's what the flashback is. And also one quick note
34:59
Speaker 1: is that these sex traffickers, Jeffrey and Galen, turn these
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Speaker 1: girls against their parents and that's where the guilt lyson
35:08
Speaker 1: who is what's called shared paranoia, which is you get
35:11
Speaker 1: the girls to talk about, oh, yeah, my mom. You know,
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Speaker 1: she wouldn't let me go to the mall, she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: let me use my phone, and they exploit at that
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Speaker 1: developmental stage in that way. As well. To Charlie Langston,
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Speaker 1: joining US editor at dailymail dot com, who's one of
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Speaker 1: the first to break the story of brainy charges against Gillane,
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Speaker 1: Maxwell point well taken jacoon not just pimp for a
35:33
Speaker 1: millionaire perv Jeffrey Etstein, but also according to the fed
35:37
Speaker 1: sex attacker herself. She denies all claims. Charlie Langston, what
35:41
Speaker 1: happens next, Well, I think what we have to see
35:44
Speaker 1: now is how Gelane will respond to these new charges.
35:49
Speaker 1: As you said, she has pled not guilty to all
35:52
Speaker 1: six charges that we knew about before this updated indictment
35:57
Speaker 1: we've discussed already. I do think that it makes a
36:00
Speaker 1: lot of sense for her defense team to try and delay.
36:03
Speaker 1: But I think what will also be really interesting, and
36:06
Speaker 1: this is something we've spoken about before, is whether this
36:09
Speaker 1: prompsky Lane to play ball, if you will, with the fads.
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Speaker 1: Whether she is going to say to them, Okay, these
36:16
Speaker 1: charges are enough for me to roll over and start
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Speaker 1: naming names. And that is where it gets incredibly controversial,
36:24
Speaker 1: because we've already discussed the number of powerful people that
36:27
Speaker 1: have connections to her. As small as those connections may be,
36:32
Speaker 1: she potentially holds a wealth of information that could well
36:37
Speaker 1: broaden this case and throw a lot of very powerful
36:41
Speaker 1: people into the spotlight. And that is likely what the
36:44
Speaker 1: FEDS are hoping will happen, That she will give them
36:47
Speaker 1: more information so that other people start being prosecuted and
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Speaker 1: charged and so on and so forth. We wait, as
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Speaker 1: justice God willing and false. Nancy grays Kind story signing off, Goodbye,