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Latest Interview of Elon Musk; Where's The Alien!!! · Elon Musk Thinking

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  Let's make life multiplanetary and be a space faring civilization, be out there among
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  the stars. You know, I think there are things that, like,
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  you have to be excited about the future life. Life cannot just be about
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  solving one problem after another. They have to be things that that that really
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  sort of move your heart and that make you excited to wake up in the
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  morning. And I think being becoming a space bearing civilization is one of those
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  things. If you ask kids anywhere around the world, like what is what
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  are some of the most inspiring things? You can ask a like five year
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  old, six year old anywhere in the world and they're going to say,
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  you know, space expiration is one of those things. And and we want
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  to make sure that we're you know that Apollo is not the high watermark.
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  In fact, you mentioned at one point that that you wrote a letter offering
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  to run the Apollo program. I believe, but I would I would have.
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  You would have done a fantastic job. But the the point is that
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  the Apollo program was something I was inspiring to everyone around the world, and
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  we don't want the Apollo program to be the high watermark of human exploration.
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  And yeah, we want I think you want to have some sense that the
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  future is going to be better than the past, that we're going to be
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  out there, going to other star systems, and you know what you see
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  in a science science fiction, non dystopian sci fi story, of which there
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  are not many, but like Star Trek, I suppose well, speaking of
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  Star Trek alone along, when I think about you, let's look at spots
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  from Star Trek here space the Fighting Frontier. These are the voyages of the
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  starship Andrew Browns, your ongoing mission to explore strange new worlds, to seek
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  out new life forms and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has
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  gone before. So when I think about you, I think about Spock and
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  Captain Kirk, and you're going to take us to places we've never gone before.
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  Yeah, that's the idea. You know, if we said probes out
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  there, we might I mean, we might find the remains of long dead
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  alien civilizations. If physics is correct, the universe is about thirteen point eight
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  billion years old. Earth is about four and a half billion years old.
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  So but at thirteen point eight billion years a civilization that even lasted a million
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  years is three digits past the decimal point. And if you consider human civilization.
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  I dated from like the first writing, So that first writing was the
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  ancient Sumerians Archaic week pre Cuneiform, around fifty five hundred years ago. So
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  that is one million of Earth's lifespan. That's how long writing has existed.
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  So if we would last as a civilization for a million years, that would
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  be incredible and would actually probably be in every part of the galaxy. So
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  this is this causes me to think that, well, where are the aliens?
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  It's the Fermi question, you know, the great physicist Italian physicists,
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  Enrico Fermi. He's like, where are they now? A lot of people
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  think there are aliens among us? Well, there was that there was that
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  movie Men in Black. Yes, yes, yes, I told us they're
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  among us and Elvis really went back to his own planet. Yeah. Well,
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  I mean, really, a lot of people think there are aliens.
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  But I get asked that a lot, and for some reason, a lot
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  of the same people who think there are aliens among us didn't think we don't
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  think we went to the moon, which I'm like, think about that for
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  a second, you know, so, but I think I would I mean,
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  if I've not seen any evidence of aliens and SpaceX with the Starling constellation
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  has roughly six thousand satellites and and not once have we had to maneuver around
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  a UFO. Okay, so we were like, hey, what's that is
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  that an alien has occurred? Never? So so I'm like, Okay,
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  I don't see any evidence of aliens, and look at it. If somebody
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  has evidence of aliens in a in a you know, that's not just a
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  buzzy blob, then I'd love to see it, love to hear about it.
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  And but I don't think there is, so, which is actually reasonable
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  concern, because you could if any civilization in the Milky Way in our galaxy
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  were to last for a million years, even with a speed of travel that's
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  far below the speed of light, you know, like a few percent of
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  speed of light, they could easily have explored and colonized the whole galaxy.
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  So they haven't, So why not? I think the answer might be,
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  or perast probably is that that civilization is precarious and rare, and that we
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  you should really think of human civilization as being like a tiny candle in a
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  vast darkness, and we should do everything possible to show that that candle does
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  not go out. Al I thought one of the interesting things for the people
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  on X viewing this session and the people in the audio, is that maybe
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  I'd give you a few of your quotes and you can comment on them.
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  Okay, let's start with this one. Free speech. Freedom of speech is
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  the bedrock of democracy. Without it, America ends. Yes, it's obviously
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  not possible to have democratic elections if people do not have access to the information
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  that would allow them to make the right decision on a candidate or a party.
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  So if speech is constrained in a fundamental way, you just can't expect
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  people to make the right decision or an informed decision, because they are prevented
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  from being informed. I think it's a foundation of elementeds, you know.
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  I say, like, why is free speech free of speech? The first
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  members because people came from countries where if you spoke freely you would be imprisoned
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  or killed. That was why they were like, you know what, we
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  should make sure that we got that one. I remember remember that time when
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  they tried to try to kill us back in the other country just for saying
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  we didn't like a political candidate. Well, let's let's make sure that's okay.
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  In America, so and so, actually, in a lot of parts
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  of the world, you know, you can't really say most parts of the
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  world, you can't really say what you want to say without some bad consequences.
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  So as long as people forget, like why is the constitution there,
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  the constitution there is to protect the people from the government. So like if
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  they're it's to make it hard to change things. That's why the constitution exists.
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  Yeah, forget about that, but let's try take it for granted.
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  Let's try the next quote. Yeah, the fundamental error of socialism is shifting
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  capital allocation from highly effective entrepreneurs to astonishingly ineffective government. Right, I think
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  we'll find hearty agreement in this room. So yeah, I think that this
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  is this is definitely a stack deck on that front. But but yeah,
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  the you know, there's so you'll hear this sort of argument like, oh,
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  we shouldn't have some greedy corporation do it, we should have the government
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  do it. I'm like, well, actually, the government is just a
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  corporation in the limit. So if you it's a government is the government is
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  a corporation with a monopoly on violence. So if you're unhappy with a commercial
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  corporation doing it. You should be actually very unhappy with the government doing it,
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  since it is simply the a corporation, the most corporate thing. And
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  you know, you can actually easily get more sway in a company than you
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  can out of a company than you can in the government. So I mean
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  everyone's experienced this. Going to the DMB, we said, like, do
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  you want the DMV at scale? Probably not? Okay, all right,
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  let's the government is the DMV at scale. Let's try another one. Discrimination
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  on the basis of anything other than merit is wrong. Yeah, I think
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  I think we do need to have a merit based system because as soon as
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  you go down the path, if you can to discriminate on on non merit
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  based, then then where do you stop. So yeah, I think we
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  need to be as rigorous about merit as possible. And while it is,
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  yeah, to me, that seems like it's it's a foundational, foundational thing.
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  So again, I also think this room is probably supportive of a merit
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  based situation. But yeah, that's that. That is. Yeah, I
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  think we should be yeah, not discriminating on anything other than merit. All
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  right, good, I'm happy you agree with yourself. Yeah, exactly.
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  I'm like, wait, who is this guy? He really sounds great?
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  All right, so let's let's look at the next one. Regulation and regulatory
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  consistency. Like Gulliver tied down by thousands of little strings, we lose our
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  freedom one regulation at a time. Yes, So this is actually a very
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  important point that I think is not talked about enough. That laws and regulations
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  are immortal. They don't die. Humans die, but laws and regulations can
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  last forever. So if over a year after year there are more laws and
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  regulations passed and more regulatory bodies created, eventually everything will be illegal. And
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  that's why you see the California High Speed Rail has made a tiny section of
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  that doesn't even have rail on it, and for I don't know, several
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  billion dollars because everything's at this point, California has made almost everything illegal.
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  So you can't make progress now. The historically what has cleared away the cobwebs
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  of regulation has been war. Now, we prefer not to have a war.
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  So in order to have civilization function without war, you have to have
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  you have to actively eliminate laws and regulations. So you have to have basically
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  a garbage collection process for rules and regulations that is necessary. Otherwise you get
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  hardening of the arteries and over time nothing can get done. The most poignant
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  example that I kindk of that happened this week was the sad picture of the
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  California High Speed Rail, which is, you know, it's just billions of
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  dollar spent forul practically nothing, but it'll only get worse year after year.
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  So we must have a regulatory sort of clearinghouse garbage collection process. This is
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  essential or civilization comes grinding to a halt. Well, we used to have
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  sunset. That that regulation with sunset. Unfortunately it's rare today. Yes,
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  all right, let's talk about education. The more you can gamify the process
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  of learning the better. You do not need to tell your kid to play
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  video games. No, they will play video games on autopilot all day.
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  So if you make it interactive and engaging, then you can make education far
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  more compelling and far easier. You do. Yeah so the yeah, so,
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  the way education works today is really much like like it's like Boardville.
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  You know, before there was radio and TV and movies, you had Boardville
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  where every town would have their their town play the town troop, the sort
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  of acting troupe and that would be kind of the the uh, that would
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  be the entertainment. So you know some you know, in a big city
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  you'd have you know, much better players than say in a small city.
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  But then along came movies and TV and and and then you say, look
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  in video games, where you take the smartest, best people in any arena,
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  like whether they're acting, writing, directing, special effects, you spend
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  you know, tens of millions sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars creating a great
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  movie or a great video game, and you make it as compelling as possible.
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  Now that crushes Fordeville crushes like imagine you're not in New York mentioned you're
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  in Bakersfield. Okay, then you and you got instead of Batman being like
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  you know, the Nolan Brothers, it's Batman the Baker's Field sort of acting
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  troupe, it wouldn't be as good. That's how teaching works today. So
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  what you actually want to have is an interactive learning experience that is as compelling
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  as possible. And you do not want to act. You don't actually want
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  a teacher in front of a board doing a Vaudeville act. You want you
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  want it to be engaged, real time feedback. So that's and then there
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  are a few other principles in teaching. You have to establish relevance, otherwise
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  your mind will want to forget things. So our our mind is constantly trying
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  to forget as much as possible. So you'll only remember things if if your
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  mind can establish relevance or there is a strong emotional element to it. Otherwise
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  you're going to basically to forget forget everything. Memory is very expensive from an
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  evolutionary standpoint, so it's trying to forget as much as possible. So when
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  teaching a course, you have to explain to kids why it's important, and
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  then you want to teach to the to the problem instead of teaching the tools.
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  So what I mean by that is if you said, here's a car
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  engine, we're gonna try to understand how to how this car engine works.
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  We're going to take it apart. So what do we need to do to
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  take it apart. Well, we need a wrench, we need some screwdrivers,
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  we need a hoist and a pulley, and we're going to take it
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  apart and we're going to see how it all works. That's engaging, and
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  along the way you learn about wrenches, and screwdrivers and you know all the
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  tools that are needed. That's that actually is engaging and compelling. But the
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  way teaching more typically works is we're going to teach you a course on screwdrivers
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  and of course on wrenches, and you're like, why do I have a
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  course on wrenches? It's not obvious that would be like say a co or
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  some calculus. Without explaining what caculus is useful, then you sort of forget
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  it. Yeah, well, we have a lot of work to do in
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  that area. Let's talk about a non controversial issue. Immigration. Here is
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  Elon on immigration. I'm very much in favor of increased and eximonited legal immigration
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  for anyone who is talented, hard working, and honest. Yeah. Bizarrely,
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  it's difficult, in agonizing slow to immigrate to the US legally, but
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  it's trivial and fast to enter illegally. This obviously makes no sense, right,
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  I mean, what's again? I agree with that guy? So yeah,
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  I mean if anyone here has been through the legal immigration process, I
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  mean I've been been through. It's only gotten worse since nine eleven. Uh,
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  And with COVID, it's uh, it's it's it's like sort of Kafka
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  esque, very long, bizarre process to be immigrate legally to the US.
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  I mean, I have friends of mine who, you know, they can't
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  get their their wife to have a green card. It's like insane. So
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  on the other hand, it's you can hop across the water in the South
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  trivially, it's just like very easy. I went to the water myself just
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  see like what's going on? Is this real or like, is this propaganda
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  or real? And so I just went there and I'm like, oh,
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  it is real. Okay, this is crazy. Uh. You know,
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  We've got situations where people are pouring across the water like it's World War Z,
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  and I'm like, uh, it just doesn't seem healthy. So I'm
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  like, are we checking anyone here or like what's going on? And you
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  know, we don't. It does not say that. I mean, I'm
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  a big believer in immigration, but to have unvetted immigration at large scale is
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  arrest before disaster. So I'm in favor of greatly expediting legal immigration, but
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  having a secure southern border. So there's some betting of who comes into the
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  United States. I think this is just sensible. All right, Let's now
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  link starlink to education. We're basically building the Internet in space. Why it
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  matters, starlink is a massive enabler for people in remote locations to learn anything.
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  Yes, you can learn almost anything for free on the Internet right now.
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  For example, people MIT has all of its lessons online. That's if
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  you have Internet. If you don't, you're limited to books. It might
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  be the number one technology that improves people's standard of living around the world.
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  Starlink Yeah, absolutely So once you have access to the Internet, you have
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  access to all the world's information. But if you don't have access to the
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  Internet, or it's too expensive or low bandwidth, then you cannot access the
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  MIT lessons. You can't access all the information, and you can't sell the
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  goods and services that you produce. So Internet connectivity, I think is I
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  think it might be certainly a candidate for one of the things that would do
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  more to lift people out of out of poverty than anything else because they can
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  now sell their goods and services. They can learn anything, but without connectivity
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  they cannot. So uh, I think. I think I think starling will
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  actually like like move the GDP of countries, Like it's gonna be that kind
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  of thing, because what is what is GDP as a function of average productivity
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  per person, And so if there's a technology that improves proctivity per person,
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  you would expect to see that actually reflected in the gross domestic product. All
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  Right, civilization is fragile. I think it is. We should always regard
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  civilization as fragile. Yeah, there is not an inevitable upward trajectory. A
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  lot of civilizations have risen and fallen in recent years. Yes, I suspect
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  most people in this room have actually read history. But if you haven't,
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  I strongly recommended it sounds obvious, but you know, there's there's been but
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  so many civilizations that have risen and fallen, many that we just don't have
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  much of a record of. You know, like I mentioned the ancient Sumerians,
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  like the language was forgotten for a long time until it was finally decoded
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  only in the last two three hundred years, but like I s eighteen hundred
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  and something, right in eighteen hundreds, I think, but it's been very
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  recent. Like so for several thousand years, nobody understood what those tablets meant.
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  And because they were the ruins of a long dead civilization, and there
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  are many long dead civilizations at some point, our civilization will come to an
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  end too, we just don't want it to be anytime soon. So,
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  or you've been quoted a number of times on you'd like to die I on
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  Mars but not on landing. Yes, yes, I was. I was
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  asked that in an interview if I wanted to die on Mars. But then
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  I considered the corner case of dying on impact, and like, except for
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  that case, Uh, you know, youve got to consider the various corner
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  cases. So, I mean, if we're gonna if you're gonna die somewhere,
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  might as well be Mars. I'd like to explore for a bit before
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  you know, dying. But yeah, I think we want to be a
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  multi planet civilization, and like, I think I don't know if that's respond
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  Let's let's talk about that just for one second. Then we're going to take
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  some questions from the I mean, I could accomplish this actually, uh,
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  this year, if I if I was willing to die on impact. The
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  fundamental invention that is necessary for humanity to become a multi planet species is rapidly
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  reusable, reliable rockets. Yeah, I was trying to sound like a pirate
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  r R R r uh, but yeah, rapidly, we're usable, reliable
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  rockets, so space pirates for the win. All right, here's some questions
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  from the audience. Alon, which one would you like to pick? Here?
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  Well, I guess uh, let me let me. Let me just
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  touch upon why I think making like multiplanetary is important because I think it's one
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  of the things that gets us past one of the Fermi great filters. So
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  in trying to sort of explain why do we not see aliens, there are
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  various explanations for why we don't see aliens, like what stuffed those civilizations from
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  from expanding beyond their solar system, and and what were the what were the
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  sort of that sometimes called like Fermi filters. Well, if you don't become
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  a multiplanet civilization, then you're then you're simply waiting around until you you die
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  from a self inflicted wound or from something some natural disaster like the dinosaurs,
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  you get hit by a big media write or something like that. The eventually
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  something like that's going to happen. If and if you wait a lot around
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  long enough, the Sun will expand to engulf Earth and we'll be incinerated.
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  So that that for sure is going to happen. Now that we've got to
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  we've got some time before that happens. There are more neo term risks.
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  But we want to try to get past the Fermi filter of being a single
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  planet civilization. Now, this is gonna this is all said. This is
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  going to be somewhat cerebral to many people listening. But I mean if but
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  like I think this is pretty this is actually very important. We want to
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  get past the Fermi filter of a single planet sovilization. The point is not
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  to move from Earth to another planet and let Earth die if That's not what
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  I'm saying at all. I want to be a multi planet civilization. So
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  there we have planetary redundancy such that no single event can end can be the
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  end of our civilization. That is the point of making life multiplanetary. So
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  let's take a couple of questions from the audience. How does AI affect and
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  how will it affect our daily lives? AI? I mean AI might be
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  the most important question of all. I mean, the percentage of intelligence that
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  is biological, you know, grows smaller with each passing month. Eventually the
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  percentage of intelligence that is biological will be less than one percent. The that's
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  actually not what I mean. We just, I guess, don't want AI
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  that is brittle. If the AI is somehow brittle, you know, silicon
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  circuit boards are don't do well just out in the elements. So I think
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  I think biological intelligence can serve as a backstops, as a buffer of intelligence,
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  but almost all as a percentage, almost all intelligence will be digital.
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  So then it's like, well, what role will there be for us?
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  I don't know. I do think I think it's very important that we build
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  the AI in a way that that is beneficial to humanity. And there's some
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  important principles here. Because I thought about AI safety for a very long time.
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  I think you want to have a maximum truth seeking AI. This is
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  very important. The AI should not be taught to lie. It should not
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  be taught to say things that are not true. Even if those things are
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  politically incorrect, it should still say those that say what it believes to be
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  true. I mean, the entire plot of two thousand and one Space Odyssey,
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  the reason that Hell nine thousand killed the astronauts was because it was forced
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  to lie. I don't know if most people realize that that's what author cy
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  Clock was trying to say, don't make the AI lie. I was told
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  that that the astronauts could not know the secret of the monolith, but also
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  that it must take them to the monolith. The solution take them to the
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  monolith dead, and so so it's very important to have a maximum truth seeking
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  AI and a maximumly curious AI, and I think that will that's most likely
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  to foster human civilization because we are much more interesting than a bunch of rocks.
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  So although I think Mars, I love Mars obviously, but you could
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  render Mars quite easily because it kind of looks like a section of the Arizona
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  Desert, you know, it's like red rocks, you know. But the
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  rendering complexity of human civilization is fastly greater by many orders of magnitude. So
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  I think an AI would be that that is truth seeking, maximally curious,
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  would foster human civilization. To see where it goes. One of the questions
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  here, can AI accelerate your efforts in space? How do you see it
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  being helping you and what you're trying to achieve? I mean, oddly enough,
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  one of the areas where there's almost no AI used is space exploration.
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  So SpaceX uses. Basically, no AI starlink users does not use AI.
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  I'm not against using it, they're just we haven't seen a use for it.
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  I mean with any given variant of or improvement in AI. The I
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  mean there's generally, like I'll ask it questions about the filming paradox, about
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  rocket engine design, about electro chemistry, and so far the AI has been
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  terrible at all of those questions. There's still a long way to go.
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  So let's let's talk about one. Here's a question that's near and dear to
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  your heart. You have a lot of children. Yes, I'm trying to
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  say a bit. Birth rate is down in the US. What needs to
• 31:15
  change so people start having more children? Yeah? So this, this question
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  is troubled me for a long time because you can look at you can look
• 31:26
  at the demograh like demographics. It's a very slow moving ship. I mean,
• 31:33
  you know who is going to be an adult in twenty years based on
• 31:34
  who was born last year. So and and if you want to, I
• 31:41
  think have a good approximation for population, really look at how many babies were
• 31:47
  born last year in a particular country. Mulply that, multiply that by life
• 31:51
  expectancy, that's that's that's the number of people that will be adults in that
• 31:56
  country. That's that's the that's the steady state population if birth rate remain is
• 32:00
  constant. Now birth rate is not constantly is dropping. So you look at
• 32:02
  the second road of a birth rate and actually we see an acceleration in uh,
• 32:09
  the dropping dropping in the dropping the fertality rate. Second river of the
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  totality rate is very bad. So where does this lead? This does not
• 32:22
  lead to an eight greater civilization. This leads to a civilization that potentially dies
• 32:30
  not with a bag, but with a whimper in adult diapers. That is
• 32:35
  a sad ending. So obviously we have countries that, like Korea used to
• 32:39
  have a birth rate of six it's now three quarters. Yeah, here's here's
• 32:45
  a light question for you. What do you incompany? Me? Gi you
• 32:50
  a baby? Says one? What do you think? That is one of
• 32:54
  the things that says on the screen. I don't know if everyone heard that.
• 33:04
  You want to read it. It says, elon, come pick me
• 33:07
  up, I'll give you a baby, thank you? Okay, Well,
• 33:16
  I mean I suddenly encourage everyone in this room to have at least three children,
• 33:21
  like looks maybe it's got to come from somewhere, you know. And
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  I think we just want to have I don't know. I think we would
• 33:30
  have like a slightly increasing population, not a plummeting population, you know.
• 33:36
  And I think the supplies to all countries and cultures, Like I don't think
• 33:38
  we want any country culture to disappear. We want them to ideally flourish and
• 33:45
  not disappear. So in fact, one of the things that is overlooked by
• 33:52
  probably most historians is the role of low birth rate in the decline of civilizations.
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  So around like things around fifty BC, the Rome passed a bill to
• 34:07
  give a bonus to any Roman citizen that would have a third child, So
• 34:13
  this was a birthrate was a problem in Rome in fifty BC, the Romans
• 34:19
  weren't making Romans. The same is true of ancient Greece. So there was
• 34:28
  a time from about eight hundred BC to three hundred ish BC where the Greeks
• 34:35
  had a lot of kids and a lot of surviving kids. Like the birthrate
• 34:38
  far exceeded the death rate, which is why you had Greek cities popping up
• 34:42
  all over the Mediterranean. But then I think basically it seems to be that
• 34:51
  prosperity is destroys the birth rate. So if when a civilization feels like it
• 35:02
  has no meaningful external threat and is very prosperous, that is what caused the
• 35:12
  birth rate to plummet. So on counterintitively, you think, well, if
• 35:15
  you've got more resources, show that would lead to more kids. In fact,
• 35:19
  it is the opposite. The more prosperous a civilization and the more civilization
• 35:25
  feels that it does not need to defend against external threats, the lower the
• 35:30
  birth rate. I'd say that, you know, there's a lot of research
• 35:34
  on there. There's really been three one number one prosperity, as you've said,
• 35:38
  Number two improvements in healthcare. So in nineteen hundred half the children died
• 35:45
  on the planet before the fifth and the third was the education of women.
• 35:51
  So we've had some pretty interesting questions put up here, but let's try this
• 35:55
  one. What keeps you up at night and what gives you joy? Well,
• 36:01
  I think kids give me joy. So I probably get the most story
• 36:06
  from my kids. And you know, I'm not saying that that's the reason
• 36:14
  to have kids, because we have them anyway, but I certainly kids are
• 36:20
  certainly are the greatest us of joy in my life in terms of what keeps
• 36:23
  me up at night, I guess there's anything that's, like I think,
• 36:27
  a civilizational risk, you know, if we're the birth weights continuing to plummet,
• 36:35
  like I do think about the birth weights plummeting as being a civilizational risk.
• 36:39
  I think anything that undermines the foundations of democracy in America or elsewhere as
• 36:45
  a risk. I think anything that's leading us away from a merit based system
• 36:53
  is a risk. I actually spend like like I listened to I listened to
• 37:07
  like podcasts about the Full of Civilizations to go to sleep, so Pepsi's that
• 37:10
  might be part of the problem here bisnically a podcast called Full of Civilizations which
• 37:16
  I listened to a few times. And I also recommend hardcore history if you
• 37:24
  haven't listened to that great podcast. I listened to listen to history podcasts basically
• 37:29
  go to sleep. So that's probably why I'm ruminating on these things as I
• 37:32
  go to sleep well a lot. I want to thank you for joining us
• 37:36
  today, and we couldn't be more excited that you agree with some of your
• 37:42
  own quotes. Yeah, it's great, Thank you much. To stay updated
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