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Why They're Prosecuting a Woman for Rescuing 4 Chickens · UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell

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Welcome to Unchained TV's coverage of the Zoe
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Rosenberg chicken rescue trial.
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It is week two, day five, and we've
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got plenty of breaking news for you.
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For example, over the weekend there were marches
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in the area where the trial is occurring.
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Cows deserve to be free, just like us.
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Pigs deserve to be free, just like us.
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Chickens deserve to be free, just like us.
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One smile, one fight.
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Happy Freedom Animal Rights!
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Zoe Rosenberg is facing one felony conspiracy and
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three misdemeanors and could face up to five
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years in prison for rescuing four chickens from
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a slaughter truck.
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What you are watching now is the actual
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incident for which she is charged in progress.
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This happened way back in 2023.
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At first she was facing 20 years behind
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bars.
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They keep dropping the charges to now one
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felony and three misdemeanors.
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We have a team that is on hand
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to cover this case and I have to
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tell you there's been some pretty interesting developments.
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First of all, it's week two and there
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is no jury seated.
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The judge, Kenneth Noss, has told the jury
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panel, the potential jurors, this trial could extend
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through the end of October.
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More than 80 jurors per day were questioned
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on Thursday and Friday with a huge percentage
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claiming hardship, underscoring just how difficult seating a
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jury is going to be.
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So there were a series of pivotal pre
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-trial evidentiary rulings last week that could shape
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the outcome and most significantly, and I want
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to go to Justine Block on this, an
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attorney, the judge ruled the defense cannot introduce
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any of direct action everywhere's animal cruelty investigations
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prior to May and June of 2023, except
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for when Zoe Rosenberg testifies about Rose, the
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one chicken that authorities at one point did
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allow rescuers to take.
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What do you think, and I'm going to
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introduce our incredible expert panel now, but going
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to Justine Block, what do you think about
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the fact that DXC's defense team, Zoe Rosenberg's
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defense team will not be able to testify
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about the seven years that they tried to
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report what they describe as criminal animal cruelty
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at the facility from which and the suppliers
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to the facility of the chickens that she
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took from that from that location?
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Thanks, Jane.
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I think that it is for us.
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It's frustrating.
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My understanding is only that video that you
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showed is going to be allowed in as
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evidence.
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Are you able to hear me?
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Okay, great.
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So, um, my understanding also on the good
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side, as far as good news, though, is
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that Zoe would be able to testify as
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to her firsthand accounts in 2023 of the
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investigations and what she saw that night in
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the video going in as to counter the
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intent of the crimes she's charged with.
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So my understanding of the judge's ruling is
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that I'm not on the good side for
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the defense is that there is some evidence
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witnesses and for Zoe to be able to
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testify.
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She could also testify as to the the
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situation in in rescuing Rose when she took
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Rose, the chicken Rose.
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So we can talk more about that as
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well.
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Absolutely.
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And we've got Johnny Mora at the courthouse.
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Johnny, take it away.
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You're there at the courthouse with Cassie, who
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is DXC's lead investigator, lead communications lead, I
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should say.
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Take it away.
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Correct.
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Yes, Johnny more over here at the Superior
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Court of California Santa Rosa.
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I have here Cassie King, who is the
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organized one of the organizers for direct action
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everywhere.
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She's gonna let us know a little bit
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about what happened today in court on day
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five.
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Cassie King.
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Thanks, Johnny.
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Hi, everybody.
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Yeah, we just literally got out.
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It's the lunch break now.
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We've only had about 55 minutes of court
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this morning, but I can break down what
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happened in there because it is starting to
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get interesting.
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We had Carla Cabral, who is a former
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veterinary technician working in emergency rooms and hospitals
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and who has a lot of experience caring
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for chickens at sanctuaries like One Living Sanctuary
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and Jolene's retreat.
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She took the stand and basically the 402
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hearing that was happening for Carla outside of
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the presence of the jury.
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It's kind of a pre screening of her
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testimony, what it will be, but limited to
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her credentials and her experience as a vet
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tech and an animal caretaker to specifically determine
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whether she will be able to testify as
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an expert witness.
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So she's already been admitted, fortunately, as a
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fact witness because she was the primary caretaker
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of the four rescued birds, Poppy, Ivy, Aster
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and Azalea after Zoe rescued them.
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But we're hoping that she'll be admitted as
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an expert witness so that her physical observations
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of the animals can have that backing behind
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them.
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That, you know, it wasn't just me, someone
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without veterinary training, but someone with that training
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making these assessments of the animals and in
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consultation with a veterinarian and that has.
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Oh, well, let me just ask you overview
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wise.
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This is a case about four chickens to
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a large degree, which direct action everywhere says
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in the best of cases, even if they
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were healthy, they would be worth approximately $24.
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Right?
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How long has the judge said this trial
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is going to go on?
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How many jurors are there?
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How many have claimed hardship?
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Do you get any sense of like jurors
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going?
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Uh, what?
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Are you gonna keep me here for weeks
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over four chickens?
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Any thoughts on that?
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Yes, because I was in there last week
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for the first day of the start of
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jury selection, and there were audible gasps and
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pause in the courtroom when the judge said
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the expected length, which is six weeks.
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Of course, it could be less.
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It could also be more.
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Wayne's trial was a whopping eight weeks.
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So, you know, we didn't think that that
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would happen in this case because that involved
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two open rescues and a lot of different
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moving parts.
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And this is a much more slimmed down,
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uh, story, I guess, incident.
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But it is looking like because this is
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such a weighty issue and because there are
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such strong feelings in the community and I
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think just in the world about the treatment
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of animals, this is looking like it'll be
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six weeks.
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So there are a lot of jurors who
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are claiming hardship, understandably taking six weeks off
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of work or six weeks away from child
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care or anything that you're occupied with.
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That's a huge burden.
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That's a hardship.
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So I mean, that's kind of unfortunate because
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I don't know if that leaves us with
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a more homogenous group of people in the
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jury rather than a diverse jury.
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If it's a specific group of people who
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are able to take that kind of time
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away, but we don't even have a jury
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yet.
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So it's hard to say at this point
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with that.
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So let me ask you about this.
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Uh, this is something that Zoe talked about
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over the weekend on her instagram real, uh,
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stand with Sonoma County poultry workers, a glossy
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brochure that was widely distributed to, uh, people
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who live in Sonoma County.
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Obviously that impacts the jury pool.
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You know, by the same token, there have
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been a lot of marches by those in
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support of Zoe Rosenberg.
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So I guess it goes both ways.
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But what are your thoughts on this?
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And is this going to be mentioned by
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the defense team?
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Uh, in court?
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Well, right now there's no gag order on
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Zoe.
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Thank goodness.
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The prosecution tried to gag her, bar her
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from speaking about this case publicly.
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And the judge in the case denied that.
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And he made some excellent points about how
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that would not be equal to gag Zoe.
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While Petaluma poultry is free to tell, you
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know, he didn't say all the lies they're
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telling, but that's what's happening, right?
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They're telling their version of of the facts,
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which is false.
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And that wouldn't be right to gag us
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from speaking the truth.
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So people are at this point allowed to
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chime in.
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And this is an active discussion in the
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county.
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There's the press Democrat.
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The big paper here has already had this
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case on the front page.
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There's six billboards that Petaluma poultry just got,
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and that actually is Petaluma poultry.
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The flyer you showed it wasn't sent directly
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by Petaluma poultry.
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They may have had a hand in it,
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a say in it, but that was sent
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by basically a pack that's opposing animal rights
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activism and telling people that, you know, we
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need to stand up against these extremists.
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And that is, by the way, littered with
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photos that are not from the Sonoma, not
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from Sonoma County, not even from the United
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States.
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They're from three different countries.
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We did reverse image searching on those stock
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photos and found them on stock photo sites
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from Germany and South Africa.
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You know, completely random.
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They probably looked up happy chickens outside because
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they knew they couldn't find photos of that
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at Petaluma poultry.
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So that's that's what people are being led
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to believe through their mailbox is what Petaluma
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poultry factory farms look like.
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And so fortunately there is a billboard up
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now countering that with photos of crowded animals
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at Petaluma poultry and a chicken stuck on
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their back at Petaluma poultry that says when
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they tell you it's free range and organic
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because these billboards Petaluma poultry has up are
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all bragging about being an organic brand and
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showing you these rolling hills.
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And we need to we need to show
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people the truth.
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Well, I just want to thank you for
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taking the time.
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I hope that you will come back again
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and update us as um it's there's no
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cameras in the courtroom.
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Uh we can't even get still photos from
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inside the courtroom.
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So we kind of rely on the folks
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who are inside court to bring us the
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very latest.
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So uh if there's any questions, I know
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Justine, we have an attorney here today.
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Do you have any questions for Cassie before
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she goes?
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I do.
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Thank you for asking Cassie.
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Do you know as far as the jury
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questionnaire whether measure J was allowed to be
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mentioned in the questionnaire?
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Yes, it's one of the I believe 11
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questions on there and I think it's something
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along the lines of did you have strong
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feelings about measure J.
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So it's not, you know, did you vote
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a certain way?
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But did you have strong feelings?
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And it's a short answer.
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So I think people can put whatever they're
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comfortable sharing without being put on the spot
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about how they voted.
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All right, excellent.
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Thank you so much, Cassie.
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We really appreciate you taking the time and
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thank you johnny Mora out there doing a
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great job at the courthouse.
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So let's do a little round robin.
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What are some of the thoughts that that
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you have page?
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But before I get there, it's very important
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that I mention that, uh, the, uh, the
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company mentioned by those folks and I'm going
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to mute johnny because it's kind of busy
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out there at court.
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Um, the company mentioned that is at the
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heart of this case, the company that that
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Zoe took the four rescued the four chickens
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from is Petaluma Poultry owned by Purdue Farms,
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one of the largest chicken producers in the
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world.
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They deny all the allegations of animal cruelty.
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They have a very in depth website talking
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about their treatment of animals.
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Corporate dot Purdue Farms dot com forward slash
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responsibility forward slash animals dash care.
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And they have said that they are a
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leader in animal welfare, dedicated to the highest
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standards of animal care, give their bird space
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to roam and that the false claims in
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their mind are being pushed by extreme group
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D.
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X.
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C.
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With the ultimate goal of ending animal agriculture
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and imposing a radical agenda.
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We invite them on any time for further
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comment page.
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Um, what were you going to say as
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a result of what you were hearing from
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the court this morning?
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Well, when I heard about these brochures being
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sent out, um, to potentially, uh, the juror
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jury in the future, right?
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So they're, they're receiving these in the mailbox.
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Here's what came to mind.
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And then now a billboard being placed.
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First of all, this is a lot of
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money.
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This is a lot of money being put
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in about this messaging.
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And here's the thing is the profits are
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at stake for the producers.
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You see the, the, the, the life of
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Zoe Rosenberg is at stake because she's dealing
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with health challenges as well as own livelihood
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of being a 23 year old who has
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just recently graduated from college.
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So to me, this is an expensive endeavor,
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six weeks of jury costing people their time,
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their energy, and now billboards are being put
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up and brochures are being sent out with
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alleged misinformation.
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This is taxpayers dollars that are being spent
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right and left.
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And it's okay.
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But let me, let me clarify here.
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The trial is taxpayer dollars, not the brochure.
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Of course.
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But what I'm saying, that's why left and
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right, because the money being spent for the
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jury and the, all the proceedings that happen
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inside that courtroom are taxpayer dollars.
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So this is, you said earlier, these chickens
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are worth their lives are worth their, their
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animal lives matter and are worth more than
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$24, but to the regular consumer, they would
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purchase them at X amount of dollars to
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come to 24, $8 piece, let's say on
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the high end.
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And the thing is, what do you think
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about it?
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These are, they're duping the public for the
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profit for them, the profitability for the producer.
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And we invite those producers on anytime we
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would love.
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Actually, we would love to dialogue with them.
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Let's play what Zoe Rosenberg said over the
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weekend about this brochure and then talk about
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it on the other side.
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Just days before my trial was set to
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begin an animal agriculture interest group sent these
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mailers to just about every household in Sonoma
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County.
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It urges my potential jury to support local
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family farms that are quote being unfairly targeted
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by extreme animal activists.
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These photos are stock photos.
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This is how multi-billion dollar factory farm
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company twist reality to protect their profits.
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The truth is our investigation show tens of
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thousands of birds crowded together in filthy sheds.
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Sick birds are left to die often slowly
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and painfully at the slaughterhouse.
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Evidence shows that birds are routinely scolded alive
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in hot water due to negligence and fast
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moving slaughter lines.
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I faced nearly half a decade in jail
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for rescuing four chickens.
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And the jury is not going to see
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any of the footage that you just saw
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there.
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That's another ruling.
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So let's do a little round robin.
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What are your thoughts considering all these developments?
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I'm going to go to Ellen Dent.
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You're going to have to unmute yourself, my
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dear.
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Sure, Jane.
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Thank you.
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I mean, it's just really upsetting that they're
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tampering with the public that way ahead of
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this trial.
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I mean, Direct Action Everywhere should be flattered
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that this business feels so intimidated by their
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actions that they are going to these measures
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of sending out this, you know, mailer and
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this like super pack of, you know, animal
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agriculture companies.
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So I don't know.
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It's just it's just really upsetting to see
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that.
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And I'm glad that Direct Action Everywhere has
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up their billboards showing the truth from their
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investigations, showing the footage that they have so
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that the public can actually see what's happening
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and not see these stock photos of of
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what the public thinks, you know, chickens are
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experiencing as they grow on these farms.
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Are we all complicit in the stories we
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tell ourselves?
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This is very interesting.
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I was worked all day yesterday, but then
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I unwinded by watching a documentary about Victorian
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England and the Industrial Revolution, where all these
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people came from the countryside to work in
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these factories.
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And while some people were getting very rich,
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the conditions in the factories were horrific.
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It reminded me of factory farming, children drenched
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in just filth.
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And then if if they were protected, they
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were put in these workhouses, which were a
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form of punishment in themselves, where they were
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fed gruel that was pretty much inedible.
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And what was so interesting is that the
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painters of the day were painting these, but
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they were always told when they sold them
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to beautify them.
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So when people bought the paintings of what
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was happening, suddenly the women in the workhouse
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had smiles and they had flowers.
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And they basically, the conclusion of the documentary
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was that the powers that be, people who
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weren't suffering themselves, did not want to know
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what was happening in the streets to all
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these children.
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In Manchester in particular, which was the hub
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of the Industrial Revolution, they didn't want to
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know.
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Everybody was in collusion with keeping this quiet
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because they were all benefiting.
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There was a growing middle class and then
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obviously the aristocracy were benefiting and becoming fabulously
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wealthy due to the textile mills, etc.
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And as I was listening to this, I
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was like, this has such commonality with what's
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happening today.
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So consumers do, I'm going to posit this,
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do consumers really want to know?
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Or would they prefer to have fairy tales
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about how you can kill 140,000 chickens
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a minute in this world?
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That's how many are killed globally, 140,000
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chickens every minute.
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Tiffany Brunelli, I want to put it to
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you.
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You're a former law enforcement investigator turned DXC
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member.
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Yes, I bought the fairy tale a few
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years ago.
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I would buy, you know, I'd pay the
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extra $3 for the cute little chicken on
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the cart and out in the field.
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It reminds me of these photos.
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And I thought, oh, I'm doing the right
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thing.
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So yeah, I was buying into it.
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So I can see how, why they want
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to continue this campaign.
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This trial must be, they must be very
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concerned to put this kind of money and
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PR into those flyers.
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They really are protecting the truth to continue
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to benefit off of it.
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So they must, I think it's a good
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thing.
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They must feel threatened by the trial and
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the publicity and the press that this trial
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is receiving.
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It does feel with that brochure, you're absolutely
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right.
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It actually sort of offers confirmation that Lindsay
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Baker, the powers that be, and let's face
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it, while this is about a particular company,
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because that's a particular company is where she
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went in to rescue these chickens.
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It's truly all of animal agriculture on trial.
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When they're marching, they're not just talking about
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chickens, they're talking about pigs, they're talking about
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cows.
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Is there any nice way to kill more
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than 80 billion animals every year?
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Okay, I'll put it out to Lindsay Baker.
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I would say, of course not.
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And the one thought I had was when
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you said this footage would not be shown
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to the jury, or sorry, the video that
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Zoe made, when, where she shows the stock
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footage and the real, what it really looks
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like would not be shown to the jury.
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My thought was, that's tragic, but it's going
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to be out all over social media.
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And just addressing your point, it isn't, you
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know, there's no way, nice way to kill
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any animal.
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And getting that out to the public is
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really paramount.
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And it is getting out, this is just
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going to explode.
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And I think the thing that's going to
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make it explode is people are not buying
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into the BS anymore.
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They're seeing it right in front of their
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eyes.
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And they're believing it.
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And I believe it's going to make a
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change happen.
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But no, it's tragic.
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And the fact that when you watch that
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footage of how these animals are put through
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this process so fast, just for profit, and
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how inhumane it is, think back to what
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you were saying about those children, we're one
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step away from that, on the other end
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of it.
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I like to look at the positive and
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say what I just said.
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But I also see the other side of
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it.
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This is the footage that Direct Action Everywhere
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has offered, which will not apparently be included
22:27
in the trial of what they say they
22:30
videotaped at a Purdue's facility.
22:34
And this is what they're talking about animals
22:37
being too sick to reach the water, when
22:42
they fall on the ground, they can't get
22:46
up.
22:47
This is the video that Direct Action Everywhere
22:51
took with their undercover investigations into these facilities,
22:57
that they tried to report to law enforcement.
23:01
And they say law enforcement repeatedly ignored them
23:05
over and over again.
23:08
The jury will not see this footage.
23:11
That's what the court has ruled.
23:12
They've narrowed it to the, I believe the
23:16
only chickens that the jury is going to
23:18
see are the chickens that Zoe Rosenberg took.
23:22
And apparently they do have surveillance footage, like
23:25
in other words, the camera, what we had
23:29
showed you prior is Direct Action Everywhere videotaping
23:32
themselves, taking the chickens, but apparently there's also
23:35
a security camera of Zoe and others entering.
23:40
But these slaughter lines with the chickens flapping,
23:44
the jury is not going to see that.
23:48
And they're not going to see any of
23:49
this footage.
23:50
So my question is, you know, how can
23:54
they make an informed decision?
23:56
And once again, I'm going to emphasize that
23:58
we invite, we definitely invite Purdue Farms Petaluma
24:04
Poultry on any day, we would love to
24:07
dialogue with you.
24:08
And we also urge people to check out
24:12
your side of the story at the website
24:16
that you have created, which is corporate.purduefarms
24:20
.com forward slash responsibility forward slash animal care.
24:25
Who wants to take that like, the way
24:27
I see this developing is that, and I
24:31
think I'll throw this to Justine, because you're
24:33
an attorney, it seems more and more, it's
24:37
going to come down to what Zoe can
24:39
get on the stand.
24:42
And we still don't know if she's going
24:43
to take the stand.
24:44
It seems like pretty obvious that she would,
24:47
but you never know.
24:48
And they don't make that decision.
24:49
They don't announce that decision generally.
24:52
But it seems like it's all falling on
24:54
her shoulders, Justine, that videos are not going
24:58
to be shown.
25:02
Right, Jane, I, I did want to address
25:06
where we're at now in the process is
25:09
the jury selection.
25:10
And the propaganda, I'll call it propaganda, the
25:14
brochures that you put out there earlier, completely
25:19
go against the reality that you're showing us
25:23
here, that the prosecution has worked so hard
25:26
to not let in, they're not letting in
25:29
evidence of the reality that goes against this,
25:33
the humane washing and, and these brochures, it's
25:37
not the first time the public has seen
25:40
the PR reflected in these brochures.
25:43
I want to go back to measure J.
25:46
It's the same argument that the Sonoma County
25:49
area is a rural, generally farm areas, and
25:55
they have seen the arguments and all the
25:58
information characterizing the the animal advocates as radicals
26:05
and trying to take away the livelihood of
26:09
the local farms.
26:10
And one of the arguments is that from
26:13
measure J was that for people that voted
26:15
for it, it would increase the cost of
26:19
the food in, it would have to be
26:24
imported and all of that.
26:25
So I just want to say- Yeah,
26:25
and just to clarify, for people who don't
26:27
know what measure J is, it was a
26:29
measure that was put before the voters in
26:32
Sonoma County that basically would phase out factory
26:35
farms, such as the one at the heart
26:36
of this case, and it failed.
26:39
Continue on, Justine.
26:40
Right, I did.
26:42
Exactly.
26:42
So the measure J would have phased out
26:46
factory farming over three years, it would have
26:48
basically prohibited the, the concentrated feedlots.
26:52
So people have heard about this issue for
26:55
a while there in Sonoma County.
26:57
So what that means is, how does this
27:00
affect the jury pool?
27:02
So it's not, it's not just the hardship
27:04
of potentially a very long trial, six weeks
27:07
or longer, Wayne's was eight, that's a long
27:09
commitment.
27:10
But also for the defense, they want to
27:12
make sure these people are fair and impartial.
27:14
And so it's good that for the defense,
27:16
that the measure J aspect is on the
27:18
question so that when, during the voir dire
27:21
process, that the defense attorneys can ask how
27:23
heavily is this weighing on people?
27:26
And so get a sense of how much
27:28
are they affected by all this propaganda that's
27:30
put out there by the industry.
27:31
So those are my thoughts.
27:33
Yeah, it's very interesting because it does kind
27:36
of dovetail, there was this measure that said,
27:39
hey, let's phase out these concentrated animal feeding
27:42
operations, these factory farms, but it failed.
27:45
So a lot of these jurors may have
27:47
voted one way or the other on that.
27:49
And just in terms of probability, they probably
27:52
voted against it, which means that they kind
27:54
of cast their vote for factory farms, because,
27:57
well, I can't read their minds, but it
28:00
is a heavily agricultural area.
28:02
So there's an old saying, it's very hard
28:06
to convince people of a truth that their
28:09
income depends upon not accepting.
28:13
Paige, you wanted to say something.
28:16
I just want to say that absolutely, this
28:19
is all, who's being twisted, who's twisting the
28:22
truth here?
28:24
That's what's the question for me is, when
28:27
I learned that my food was coming from
28:30
98% of it, or allegedly from factory
28:33
farms that were not these humanely raised, and
28:36
I was spending extra money to pay for,
28:40
and the truth was being twisted that I'm
28:42
now learning about, I was enraged, honestly, enraged.
28:48
So that's what I want to say there,
28:51
but go ahead, back to you.
28:53
Yeah, no, I just was, somebody was asking
28:56
what the charges were, so I put up
28:57
that graphic, but everybody jump in when you
28:59
have a thought, raise your hand.
29:01
This is a freewheeling conversation.
29:03
Go ahead, Tiffany Brunelli.
29:04
Yes, actually, Johnny and I went door knocking
29:09
for Measure J, the campaign, and we had
29:13
some flyers there, we would show the conditions
29:16
of the farms up there, and they're up
29:21
there, they love their rosy and rocky brands
29:24
and their clover, and many of the doors
29:26
we knocked on, several would say, that is
29:29
not, those pictures are not our family-owned
29:32
farms.
29:33
We have family-owned farms up here, so
29:35
maybe they're, because they're going back to the
29:37
days when a single family would own the
29:40
farm, they don't realize that they've been sold
29:42
to corporations and what's been going on.
29:44
So I feel like the trial in this
29:46
press may get that out up there more
29:49
also, because a lot of the residents up
29:53
there are very loyal to their so-called
29:56
family brands and how many jobs would be
29:59
lost.
30:00
So it was interesting to see when you
30:02
get out there and actually knock on the
30:03
doors.
30:04
Remember, Johnny?
30:06
Yeah, feel free to weigh in on that,
30:08
Johnny.
30:13
Yes, I remember very clearly last year with
30:17
Tiffany, several organizers, activists, as well as volunteers
30:26
for direct action everywhere, we went out into
30:29
suburbia and knocked on many doors.
30:31
It was quite impressive to be able to
30:34
pull into any of these suburban areas and
30:37
park our car and just see an ocean
30:39
of houses that would say, you know, it
30:42
was pretty split in the middle, yes on
30:44
J, no on J, yes on J, no
30:46
on J.
30:47
And as we would walk up, I remember
30:48
vividly with Tiffany, I mean, it was a
30:51
little intimidating because we were knocking on doors
30:54
of homes where residents knew more about J
30:59
than we did.
31:01
I mean, because there were residents in that
31:02
community.
31:03
And so as we would knock on or
31:05
as we would approach these doors, a lot
31:06
of these people were already opening the door,
31:08
kind of nodding their head up and down,
31:10
like, yeah, we know why you're here.
31:14
And of course, those that felt that we
31:16
were trying to take away jobs from the
31:18
average farmer that in turn was affecting their
31:21
family and or that we were trying to
31:23
destroy their community by trying to pass a
31:28
measure that would essentially phase out CAFOs and
31:31
factory farms.
31:33
Of course, we weren't very welcome in their
31:34
homes, and there were some heated debates, but
31:37
there were also, of course, residents that have
31:40
no attachment to factory farming and, you know,
31:43
don't like the smell and don't like the
31:45
idea of birds, you know, tortured and scalded
31:49
in boiling tanks before they were their throat
31:52
slashed.
31:53
And so, you know, the conversations went swang
31:56
both ways.
31:59
You know, clearly we did not have enough
32:01
time to be able to have all the
32:02
conversations we could have.
32:04
And yes, it was quite impressive.
32:07
Johnny, is anybody else there?
32:11
Yes, I believe that Paul, I'm not sure
32:14
exactly how deep he is into his notes,
32:17
but I could definitely reach over here.
32:19
Yeah, why don't you check with him and
32:19
come back, and if he can speak, we
32:22
can get some thoughts from him.
32:24
All right, and I'm going to mute you
32:26
in the meantime.
32:27
You know, it's very interesting because if you
32:30
look at history, and I'm going to play
32:33
previous coverage here on Unchained TV behind me,
32:38
and anybody who has to leave, go ahead,
32:40
Ellen.
32:41
We love your commentary.
32:42
We'll see you next time.
32:44
We're going to be doing this every day
32:45
through the length of the trial, so you're
32:48
going to see more of these folks, and
32:49
we urge everybody to share out, share out,
32:51
share out.
32:52
But if you look at history, anytime there
32:56
is an attempt to advance and change the
32:59
status quo and give rights to a group
33:05
that didn't have rights, let's say women, okay?
33:08
One of the biggest arguments is always it's
33:10
going to be jobs.
33:12
Jobs are going to be lost, okay?
33:13
Well, jobs are also going to be won
33:15
for women, for example.
33:16
Let's go to Paul Picklesimer, who's one of
33:19
the lead organizers at Direct Action Everywhere.
33:21
Hey, Paul, what are your thoughts on the
33:23
trial at this point?
33:25
Yeah, the trial has been interesting.
33:29
I'm overall just encouraged by the judge because
33:33
he seems to be a lot more fair
33:35
than other judges we've had in the past,
33:37
whether that's my case that we actually got
33:38
an acquittal in or Wayne's case up here
33:40
where the judge was terrible and we lost.
33:43
But this judge definitely seems more fair than
33:46
any other judge we've had, in my opinion.
33:49
And yeah, today's interesting.
33:51
We heard from Carla Cabral today, a little
33:53
bit about her expertise, and yeah, it's been
33:56
interesting.
33:57
So Carla is going to be, from my
34:01
understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm
34:02
not in the courtroom, but I'm looking at
34:04
notes, for example, Purdue Rescue Trial has a
34:08
bunch of notes that they, it's going to
34:10
be Raven Darebrook, who my understanding is an
34:12
alleged co-conspirator of Zoe's, then Carla Cabral,
34:17
who is a vet tech amongst being a
34:20
animal rescuer, then Dr. Sherston Rosenberg, who was
34:24
also Zoe's mother, but a veterinarian, and then
34:27
Dr. Daniela Castillo, who was also a veterinarian.
34:31
Can you give us a sense of what
34:32
we might expect from that testimony?
34:34
Obviously, that's a lot, but just like maybe
34:36
the elevator.
34:38
Yeah, we got started with Carla at 11
34:42
a.m. and the purpose of her 402
34:45
hearing, which is still ongoing, we're just on
34:47
break, was to assess whether or not she
34:50
can be counted or just sort of advertised
34:54
as an expert witness for the case, because
34:56
Carla is definitely going to testify a bit
34:59
regarding her possession of the birds themselves.
35:03
And today we're going to try to figure
35:04
out if the court will view her as
35:07
an expert witness, which would help a little
35:09
bit with the credibility.
35:11
And yeah, so far it's went well.
35:13
Chris Carraway, Zoe's attorney, questioned her on that
35:17
kind of stuff, asked her a bit about
35:19
the conditions, and then Jessilee Mills from the
35:23
state, she questioned Carla, and at that point
35:27
it was kind of interesting because the judge,
35:30
he basically, he just showed his fairness a
35:33
bit, I think.
35:34
Pretty early on, right off the bat, Jessilee
35:40
Mills said, okay, before we go into the
35:43
402 hearing questions, I want to establish some
35:46
stuff about your background with DXC.
35:48
And so Chris Carraway objected to that, and
35:52
the judge said, yeah, that's not really the
35:55
purpose of this hearing.
35:56
And Chris mentioned that Jessilee Mills even said
35:59
before we talk about the 402 stuff, and
36:02
Chris said it wasn't relevant.
36:04
And the judge said, yeah, I'll let you
36:06
ask a couple questions about that, but we're
36:08
going to cut you off pretty soon.
36:10
And so, yeah, Jessilee Mills proceeded to ask
36:12
her questions about DXC and her role with
36:15
them.
36:16
And then eventually the judge was like, or
36:18
Chris objected again, and the judge said, yeah,
36:21
sustained.
36:21
Let's get to the actual substance here.
36:24
And so that was- If I can
36:25
summarize that, are you essentially saying that Carla
36:30
Cabral's role as a vet tech is going
36:32
to be focused on in court, not her
36:34
work with direct action everywhere, where she's been
36:37
involved in some rescues?
36:40
Well, actually, no.
36:41
When she actually testifies in front of the
36:43
jury, I'm sure that the defense will ask
36:46
her a lot of questions about DXC and
36:48
even her actions with DXC, because that can
36:52
apparently play to her motive and her intent
36:55
as a witness.
36:56
And so we'll hear about that stuff.
36:58
But for this 402 hearing is supposed to
37:01
be just about determining if she's an expert
37:03
or not.
37:04
And so, yeah, we'll eventually- Carla will
37:07
get grilled for being a member of DXC,
37:09
I'm sure.
37:10
Yes.
37:10
Well, we're putting up some photos of her
37:13
rescuing a goat and being arrested.
37:17
So there you go.
37:19
Paul, thank you so much for bringing us
37:21
up to date.
37:22
Really appreciate it.
37:24
Absolutely.
37:24
Hopefully you can talk to us throughout the
37:26
trial, because we don't have anybody really, we
37:28
can't see inside the courtroom.
37:30
So it's really important.
37:31
And Johnny's doing a great job there at
37:33
the courthouse.
37:34
All right, well, we're going to wrap it
37:36
up in a second, because remember everybody, share
37:38
this out, share this out, share this out.
37:40
You can be a part of history.
37:43
Unshade TV- Can Ellen make a comment
37:46
about the jobs?
37:48
Ellen, can you please comment about, just before
37:51
we go off, I'm sorry, Jane, but she
37:53
has an important point to bring out about
37:56
the jobs being lost.
37:57
And I really take this personally.
37:59
So Ellen, could you please explain about that?
38:02
Yes.
38:03
Oh, sure.
38:04
Well, on our internal chat, I put statistics
38:07
saying that the World Economic Forum estimates that
38:10
18 million jobs would be created by transitioning
38:13
to a plant-based food system.
38:15
So we shouldn't fixate on the jobs that
38:19
are lost, because they aren't lost.
38:21
They can be transitioned to other opportunities.
38:25
These farms, these so-called farms can actually
38:28
be changed into producers of different crops, like
38:33
mushrooms, or make almonds for almond milk, something
38:37
other than using a living, breathing being as
38:42
a commodity.
38:45
I totally see your point and think it's
38:47
a very, very important point.
38:49
My point was that anytime society attempts to
38:52
move forward, and I use the example of
38:54
giving women rights, the right to vote, the
38:57
response is always, it's going to rob people
39:01
of jobs.
39:01
Every single social justice movement, the powers that
39:06
be that want to preserve the status quo
39:08
will cite jobs.
39:09
Doesn't mean it's valid.
39:11
Just like anytime there's a technological innovation, when
39:15
refrigerators were brought in to replace iceboxes, they
39:20
said, oh, it's going to stop jobs, right?
39:23
So that's just the knee-jerk reaction of
39:27
entrenched establishment that wants to preserve the status
39:32
quo, because they're benefiting from the status quo.
39:35
They don't want things to move forward.
39:38
They're generally wrong.
39:40
I mean, we've had that when cars came
39:42
in to replace horses, there was a whole
39:45
hullabaloo about how this was going to put
39:47
carriage horse drivers out of business.
39:50
So everybody who is against change will have
39:55
a tendency to want to cite jobs.
39:57
Doesn't mean it's valid.
39:59
And your point is very good.
40:00
Go ahead, Faith.
40:01
I was just going to say, Jane, that
40:02
I'm going to pass it over to Justine
40:04
because some new initiative that just happened.
40:07
But when we were working towards the fur
40:09
ban in the city of Los Angeles, that
40:13
was definitely one of the pushbacks was jobs.
40:18
So back over to you, Justine.
40:20
Yes.
40:21
And it's always that way.
40:25
Justine Block, you are very involved with trying
40:28
to find justice for animals beyond chickens.
40:32
Tell us about the big breaking news that
40:35
your team, your campaign has achieved.
40:41
Sure, Jane.
40:41
Thank you.
40:42
Thanks, Paige.
40:43
So I am working on a campaign to
40:47
ban the sale.
40:50
We're venturing into Anaheim, too, to ban the
40:55
sale of animals in pet stores and expos.
40:59
So we had a really important victory that
41:03
Ellen, Paige, other organizations worked on to urge
41:09
the city of West Hollywood to expand the
41:13
current ban on the sale of cats and
41:15
dogs to include other species.
41:17
And that includes other mammals, as well as
41:22
birds, fish, spiders, hermit crabs.
41:29
So this is really, really, really important to
41:32
push forward on including other species that are
41:37
sold at pet stores that come from very
41:39
cruel mills.
41:41
And the reptiles are also included in this,
41:44
reptiles and amphibians.
41:46
And they are an unregulated sort.
41:50
They're unregulated in terms of at least the
41:53
mammals are regulated under the Federal Animal Welfare
41:56
Act, but reptiles and amphibians are generally not.
42:00
So there's these mills that feed into the
42:03
pet stores.
42:04
So this is really huge, a huge victory
42:07
for the animals sold in pet stores in
42:09
West Hollywood.
42:10
So that's excellent news.
42:12
West Hollywood has banned the sale of live
42:14
animals.
42:15
And it relates to what we're talking about
42:17
here, Tiffany, because the big argument is animals
42:21
are not products.
42:23
Animals are not a can.
42:25
Animals are not a widget.
42:29
And this has come up over and over
42:32
again.
42:32
In one of the cases that are similar
42:35
to this, that Wayne Sheung won, he was
42:37
acquitted.
42:38
One of the reasons that the jurors later
42:40
said that they voted to acquit was that
42:43
they were kind of, well, they were very
42:45
much turned off by the closing statement of
42:48
the prosecutor who acquitted animals to inanimate objects.
42:52
Let's listen to that closing statement and talk
42:56
about it on the other side.
42:58
Analyze for just a moment the reasoning being
43:03
demonstrated here tonight.
43:05
I think it's clear that the pigs were
43:07
stolen, they were taken, and they were not
43:09
returned.
43:10
In fact, Mr. Sheung stated he didn't want
43:13
to.
43:14
That's that.
43:16
Imagine the use of the word rescue in
43:18
some other context.
43:19
Suppose you were in the grocery store and
43:22
you saw a can with dents in it.
43:25
You thought to yourself, oh my goodness, that
43:27
can has a dent.
43:28
It has the potential of going bad.
43:30
I better rescue that can, put it in
43:31
my purse, take it out of the store.
43:35
Or imagine your DQ, you see a dripping
43:39
ice cream cone up there.
43:40
The clerk just put it on the counter,
43:42
oh dear, that cone is dripping off the
43:43
side.
43:44
I better take it so that it doesn't
43:46
make a mess on the floor.
43:50
By the way, there's always a chance that
43:52
during the lunch hour, the prosecution in the
43:55
Zoe Rosenberg case could be watching us.
43:57
If you're watching us, don't use that argument,
43:59
okay?
43:59
Or maybe do use that argument.
44:03
Do use it, please.
44:05
Yes, compare chickens to ice cream cones that
44:08
are melting in dented cans.
44:10
But you can see how the jurors said
44:13
that really turned them off because it was
44:15
sort of insulting their intelligence.
44:17
Talking to them like children and suggesting that
44:20
a living being that has eyes, that had
44:23
a mother, had a father, that's lived, well,
44:26
let's face it, these chickens are not living
44:28
the lives that they would in nature, that
44:32
somehow that's equivalent to a can or a
44:34
melting ice cream.
44:36
Who wants to weigh in on that mentality?
44:40
Because ultimately, Lindsay Baker, that's what this case
44:45
is about.
44:46
The mentality that humans have toward non-human
44:50
animals.
44:52
Exactly.
44:53
And that attorney right there showed it in
44:56
the way his mental thinking.
44:58
He was talking about food, a dented can.
45:01
Maybe I could take the dented can home,
45:03
eat the contest, the ice cream cone, eat
45:05
it.
45:06
What do you do with, it was a
45:07
pig, I think, that was stolen.
45:10
What do you do with a pig?
45:11
You eat it, of course.
45:12
So how stupid that anyone would think of
45:16
doing anything else but eating a pig.
45:18
It's like built into his mentality.
45:20
So you're expressing what his mentality was?
45:24
Yes.
45:25
What was your question?
45:27
Well, no, I was asking you, the reason
45:32
why this is a fascinating case for many
45:34
reasons, but one is that it is a
45:37
window into our culture and our cultural divide
45:41
and where we are as a human species,
45:46
how we treat other species.
45:49
And anytime you look back in history, you're
45:53
aghast.
45:54
How could they have done that?
45:55
I was looking at Victorian England, where they
45:57
were putting all these children, eight, 10 children,
46:01
and they were all living.
46:01
They said they had one bathroom for 380
46:05
people, one hole, one hole, and that they
46:09
would put bricks on it so that people
46:11
could walk through the feces.
46:13
I mean, this is how they were letting
46:15
people live in Victorian England, and they didn't
46:18
want any coverage of it.
46:21
And then when the paintings were made, it
46:23
was all the happy people sipping tea and
46:27
holding flowers.
46:29
The society demanded that the reality not be
46:35
shown by the artists who were painting this,
46:37
which was our media of the day.
46:40
And so it really struck me that human
46:44
nature does not want to look at, well,
46:47
how the sausage is made, right?
46:49
That's the old cliche.
46:51
We don't want to know how the sausage
46:52
is made.
46:53
But this trial is about showing how the
46:56
sausage is made.
46:58
But unfortunately, Zoe's team will not be able
47:02
to show how the sausage is made during
47:04
the trial because they've dropped the theft charge.
47:08
So it limits the amount of footage and
47:12
even testimony about that.
47:15
And that's really what I think is this
47:20
epic David and Goliath battle.
47:23
There's only one chicken she's allowed to speak
47:26
about, apparently, aside from the four chickens that
47:29
she rescued, and that's the chicken in the
47:34
trying to report allegations of animal cruelty to
47:37
law enforcement and being ignored.
47:39
She is allowed to talk about Rose, the
47:46
one chicken that cops allowed, way back in
47:50
2018, animal activists to rescue during an open
47:55
rescue.
47:56
Let's listen to that, and then we'll get
47:58
Paige's comment on the other side.
47:59
About five years ago, animal rescuers went to
48:05
a factory farm, this applies to Petaluma Poultry,
48:09
and tried to rescue chickens for dying on
48:12
the floor of this factory farm.
48:14
And the animal rescuers called the police because
48:17
they were hoping that the police would come
48:19
and try to help the animals and address
48:21
the criminal animal cruelty.
48:23
And the police did show up, but they
48:26
decided, instead of helping the animals, that they
48:28
were going to protect corporate interest.
48:31
And they actually tore those chickens out of
48:34
the arms of animal rescuers, and law enforcement
48:37
killed all of them.
48:39
All but one.
48:41
One chicken.
48:43
One chicken was allowed to go past police
48:46
lines.
48:47
One chicken was allowed to go to the
48:48
vet and get care and spend her life
48:51
at sanctuary.
48:53
And that chicken was Rose.
48:56
Rose was brought to me, and she was
49:00
severely debilitated.
49:01
She was really sick.
49:03
The first night that she was with me,
49:05
she was so scared.
49:07
I remember I had her in my bedroom
49:08
in case she needed anything.
49:12
And when I turned the lights out, she
49:14
started crying.
49:15
And I couldn't figure out what was wrong.
49:17
I didn't know if she was in pain.
49:19
I just didn't know why she was so
49:20
upset.
49:21
She just wouldn't stop crying.
49:23
And finally, I wrapped her in a blanket,
49:25
and I brought her up onto my bed.
49:28
And then she fell asleep.
49:30
She stopped crying.
49:32
And I realized she just didn't want to
49:33
be alone.
49:34
And from that day forward, she slept in
49:36
my bed every night.
49:38
She went with me everywhere.
49:39
She came with me to the grocery store,
49:41
to restaurants, even sometimes to school.
49:45
And about a year after she was rescued,
49:47
she passed away very suddenly.
49:49
She had never really fully regained her health.
49:53
She never regained use of one of her
49:54
legs.
49:55
And I've spent the last four years grieving
49:59
Rose.
50:00
After Rose's death, her story inspired a mass
50:04
movement for animals, a movement for Rose's law,
50:08
a law that would give animals a bill
50:10
of rights.
50:11
And the first one of those rights is
50:12
the right to be rescued.
50:16
Wow, so powerful.
50:18
First of all, Zoe is a very powerful
50:20
speaker.
50:22
So I want to get your reaction, Paige.
50:25
And then also from Justine, how much of
50:29
that do you think the jury is ever
50:30
going to hear?
50:31
So Paige, take it away.
50:33
Well, here's the thing that I'm left with.
50:35
I actually posted about this today.
50:38
Compassion should not be a crime.
50:39
In this case, this is what she's on
50:41
the stand for.
50:42
If you ask me, think of a dog
50:44
in a hot car.
50:45
We talked about that.
50:46
What about a chicken on the road?
50:50
Or any animal that you were driving along
50:53
and saw on the road?
50:55
Most people would veer out of the way
50:58
for that chicken to stay alive.
51:01
What about, okay, we've all seen videos of
51:03
animals like deers stuck in a barbed wire
51:06
fence in distress.
51:08
That's my point.
51:09
So most human beings living and breathing right
51:13
now have compassion for animals, period.
51:18
Then we have the disconnect, which is purposeful
51:20
of our food system, right?
51:23
Standard average diet has made it American call
51:28
it average is this circular plate that includes
51:32
protein.
51:33
It does not say sometimes poultry, beef, right?
51:37
They do go with ham, right?
51:40
That's all considered protein.
51:42
We're not talking shit.
51:44
Well, there is chicken.
51:45
That's interesting because it's sometimes used like that
51:47
or poultry.
51:48
But the point is, this all is a
51:50
dodge and slide and twist of the truth
51:55
that these are animals that we're consuming.
51:57
When I used to eat pepperoni on my
51:59
pizza chain, I didn't think about that being
52:01
an animal and pig and lots of pig
52:03
parts.
52:04
It was tasty pepperoni.
52:06
So my point is, most human beings and
52:09
the jury have the right, I believe, to
52:13
be presented with all the information.
52:15
How can you create a full picture?
52:18
Because right now there's billboards up, there's brochures
52:21
going out about extremists.
52:24
We are human beings who are showing that
52:26
compassion matters and is not a crime.
52:29
Yeah.
52:31
Good points.
52:33
Justine, that was a very incredible speech that
52:36
Zoe Rosenberg gave.
52:38
She is a very good speaker.
52:40
She is compelling.
52:42
How much of that do you think is
52:43
going to get to the jury and what
52:45
impact could it have on the jury?
52:47
Well, I think that it remains to be
52:51
seen the extent of the story that she's
52:54
allowed to share on the stand.
52:56
It is a good ruling in the defense's
52:59
favor that she is allowed to talk about
53:02
the story with Rose to counter the intent
53:06
element of the crimes that she's charged with.
53:10
So that's really big.
53:12
That's important.
53:12
And the story really humanizes Rose, the way
53:16
she talks about Rose.
53:17
This addresses that cognitive dissonance.
53:21
I think that page was addressing as well,
53:25
is that you have the story that Zoe's
53:31
conveying and I think it's compelling.
53:35
I think that most people want to see
53:37
animals treated humanely.
53:39
That's why that people buy into the humane
53:43
washing and the aspect of just going up,
53:49
you used the phrase earlier about seeing how
53:52
a sausage is made.
53:53
Well, who is involved with a sausage being
53:58
made?
53:58
For us, it's about terminology and what the
54:01
jurors hear in that story and the terms
54:04
used matter.
54:06
Are they going to see Zoe's story as
54:09
that she did this out of compassion, care.
54:16
She was worried about the health of the
54:19
four chickens that were taken.
54:21
And it's other good news that the veterinary
54:25
information will be allowed.
54:27
The witnesses about the health of those four
54:30
chickens is important.
54:32
So the dissonance is on the one hand,
54:36
people want to see that animals are treated
54:38
humanely.
54:40
So that's going to be really important is
54:41
how sick were these chickens?
54:42
Were they really cruelly treated or was that
54:45
just standard care, standard practice in this industry?
54:50
So the terms matter.
54:53
And if I could just get back to
54:54
the measure J language for a while about
54:57
the opposition of what people are seeing in
54:59
those brochures, it really talks about animals as
55:03
products.
55:05
They're talking about their family, whether it's the
55:07
family industry or the CAFOs, the animals are
55:13
referred to, I mean, what we think of
55:16
as care for the animals, people are thinking
55:22
of as, yes, we care about the animals
55:23
too, but we see them as food.
55:28
And the terms used in a no on
55:32
measure J language, I just want to say,
55:35
this is an opposition to measure J.
55:38
We talked about that would have banned the
55:41
CAFOs in Sonoma County.
55:42
Measure J would increase costs of dairy, eggs,
55:46
and poultry as these products would need to
55:51
be imported from other parts of the state
55:53
country and other countries.
55:56
So people want to have their products, but
55:59
not recognize who, what bodies are involved with
56:04
those products.
56:05
Another way of saying it is they want
56:07
their cake and eat it too, except it's
56:09
not cake.
56:10
It's a living animal.
56:11
Just yesterday I was at the supermarket and
56:14
yes, I did have my two service dogs
56:16
there.
56:17
And the woman behind me checking out just
56:20
loved my dogs and was talking and petting.
56:22
And then as I turned, she had literally
56:25
two things she was buying, bacon and steak.
56:29
And it was just such a disconnect because
56:32
obviously she loves animals, but she doesn't see
56:36
pigs when she looks at bacon.
56:37
She doesn't see cows when she looks at
56:39
steak.
56:40
That's really the big challenge for us is
56:45
to get that truth to people, that truth.
56:50
And all of us, I think we're at
56:53
a point once where that switch hadn't turned.
56:57
It's literally a switch.
56:59
And so maybe if let's say, for example,
57:02
the prosecutors are watching, that switch can be
57:05
turned because you might have dogs at home
57:08
that you love.
57:09
And the chickens are very similar to the
57:12
dogs you have that are similar to the
57:14
cows that are similar to the pigs.
57:17
They all are sentient beings with individual personalities
57:21
who want to live.
57:23
So how do we get people to make
57:29
that switch in their mentality?
57:31
That's it.
57:32
We're at the end of our broadcast.
57:34
I'm going to give everybody 30 seconds.
57:37
Thank you for your patience.
57:39
Final thoughts, Paige.
57:41
Final thoughts.
57:44
Compassion is not a crime.
57:45
Over to you.
57:46
All right, Ellen Dent, final thought.
57:51
Well, my final thought is that I hope
57:54
that they do show some of the footage.
57:57
I hope they show Rose.
57:58
I hope that they change their mind about
58:00
showing the footage from the other chickens, Poppy,
58:04
Ivy, Azalea, and Aster as well so that
58:08
people can see the truth.
58:09
Because how can they come to that conclusion?
58:11
How can we break through the cognitive dissonance
58:14
of not understanding who they're eating?
58:17
It's not a what, but a who that
58:19
they have on their plates.
58:21
How can they do that without seeing the
58:23
footage?
58:23
Thank you.
58:24
All right.
58:25
Now we're going to go to Tiffany Brunelli.
58:27
Final thought.
58:28
Yes.
58:29
I want to give a plug out to
58:31
DXC Los Angeles too.
58:33
For Rose's Law, we're going into a week
58:35
of action all over the world.
58:37
We have something very exciting planned in LA
58:40
on October 1st.
58:42
If people want to join, hit up the
58:44
DXC Los Angeles Facebook page.
58:47
We're going to do six bridges, consecutive bridges,
58:51
and each one is going to have a
58:52
16-foot-long banner for one of the
58:56
Rose's Laws, each one.
58:59
They'll be driving and you can see each
59:01
one, each of the six requests for Rose's
59:04
Law.
59:05
Wow.
59:06
Okay.
59:06
We'll talk more about Rose's Law and the
59:07
details of that tomorrow.
59:09
Lindsay Baker, your final thought.
59:12
Yeah.
59:12
I'm just glad to hear what Paul said
59:14
about the judge being more fair this time,
59:18
hopefully.
59:19
I also agree what Ellen said and what
59:22
Paige said.
59:23
Compassion is not a crime.
59:25
I do hope that footage is shown.
59:27
I hope that everyone does everything they can
59:30
to make sure the word gets out.
59:32
Well, Anne, I want to thank ...
59:33
Let's hear it for Johnny Mora at the
59:35
courthouse doing a bang-up job.
59:38
Really, way to go, Johnny.
59:40
You've really come through.
59:44
My final thought is share this out, people.
59:48
Back in the day when you had people
59:52
at night handing out leaflets in the dark,
59:56
that's where we're at.
59:58
The power of social media is great.
1:00:00
We're streaming this across all of our socials
1:00:03
on X, on YouTube, on Facebook, on LinkedIn,
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and on our streaming network behind me.
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Please share it out.
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We invite the companies involved on any time.
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Thank you so much, everybody.
1:00:16
We'll see you tomorrow.
1:00:18
Be part of the history.
1:00:19
Come back tomorrow.
1:00:21
Woo-hoo, Anne.
1:00:22
Thanks.