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The Kenny Report | 28 May · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Good Onnie Ross, Welcome to the show. Steve Price in
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Speaker 2: tonight for Chris Kenny and I'll be back of course
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Speaker 2: with you for our Friday show at six tomorrow evening.
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Speaker 2: Coming up on Kenny Tonight. The debate around the Albanezy
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Speaker 2: Charmers budget went upper notch today with Treasurer Charmers introducing
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Speaker 2: the multi layered ledger slation that carries the changes, including
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Speaker 2: the hotly contested CGT changes. Nationals MP and Webster will
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Speaker 2: join me shortly. Also on Kenny Tonight, our longest serving
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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer and a regular with Chris, reacts
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Speaker 2: to warnings Australia doesn't have enough bombs, fuel or soldiers
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Speaker 2: to actually defend ourselves. Nothing new but a hell of
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Speaker 2: a fright now. How can you trust our politicians to
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Speaker 2: priorize spending on things we really need like safer roads
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Speaker 2: minus gaping potholes, Well you can't. Victoria Nationals leader Danny
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Speaker 2: O'Brien joins us on the money being stripped out of
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Speaker 2: the federal budget to look after our roads, and Kenny
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Speaker 2: regular Robbo Mark Robinson on that state of Origin specter.
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Speaker 2: We're witness last night the greatest comeback in Origin history.
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Speaker 2: But I do have a question for a Robbo. Why
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Speaker 2: play Game two in Melbourne? First, the clock's now officially
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Speaker 2: ticking and the backroom dealing has started as it was,
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Speaker 2: will always though on the government suite of tax changes
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Speaker 2: that they say is going to now help young people
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Speaker 2: get into home ownership or what a joke that is?
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Speaker 2: I mean, surely the opposition says this bill is full
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Speaker 2: of lies and deceit, and the ultimate deal makers, the Greens,
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Speaker 2: well they say they don't go hard enough on evil
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Speaker 2: capitalist property investors. Welcome to the new normal around the
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Speaker 2: most hotly contested budget, probably since Joe Hockey and Mattias
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Speaker 2: Korman cracked down budget ten years ago. Here was Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers in Parliament earlier today, explain the legislation is up
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Speaker 2: for negotiation, putting a soft date around potential changes up
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Speaker 2: until June twenty two, with a potential vote on the
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Speaker 2: package in early July.
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Speaker 3: Speaker, this is a bill for workers, for first home
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Speaker 3: buyers and for future generations. This is the first step
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Speaker 3: in the most ambitious tax reform package for a quarter
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Speaker 3: of a century. It will help ensure that aspiration and
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Speaker 3: opportunity are the birthright of every Australian and not just some.
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Speaker 1: Well we will see.
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Speaker 2: I mean those negotiations are now almost certainly going to
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Speaker 2: involve the Greens and Senate independence and not one nation.
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Speaker 2: I presume it certainly will not see the door open
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Speaker 2: to the Coalition if Opposition leader Angus Taylor's appearance at
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Speaker 2: a Canvra small business this morning is anything to go by.
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Speaker 4: The arrogance of this government and this Prime Minister to
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Speaker 4: not take this to an election, to not give it
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Speaker 4: proper screen, to not allow people to actually look at it,
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Speaker 4: and to not explain to people how it's all going
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Speaker 4: to work.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. It's a disgrace.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's not much room for any sort of sit
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Speaker 2: down chat about these changes in those comments, and Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor and his team, including the Shadow treasure of Tim Wilson,
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Speaker 2: have clearly chosen these capital gains tax changes as a
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Speaker 2: hill to die on. Now it seems the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: will be the main target and his lack of business
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Speaker 2: experience and lack of running a business applies to Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers as well. That's the line that resonates most with
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Speaker 2: millions of Australians out there. These guys are changing something
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Speaker 2: they don't even understand. They don't understand investing their own money,
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Speaker 2: not just in startups, but in any sort of small business.
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Speaker 2: Taylor went further with a personal attack today on the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: I'd love that Prime Minister to be honest about how
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Speaker 4: this capital gains tax is going to work for small businesses.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he doesn't even under stand that's not the
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Speaker 4: same as the pre ninety nine So he's making these
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Speaker 4: assertions and they just trait lies.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 4: I don't know whether it's because he doesn't understand small
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Speaker 4: business or because he's just happy to lie.
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Speaker 2: Wagus Taylor said that outside the house earlier this morning,
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Speaker 2: I mean a couple of hours later, he tried to
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Speaker 2: use the same sort of language, the same word in
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Speaker 2: question time, prompting the Speaker Milton Dick to rule the
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Speaker 2: term unparliamentary, effectively banning the use of the word lie
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Speaker 2: in parliament. Now I consider that odd, given that under
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Speaker 2: parliamentary privilege, you as a politician, can go into the house,
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Speaker 2: the Senate, lower House and call anyone outside parliament you
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Speaker 2: can call them a rapist, a pedophile, a murderer, or
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Speaker 2: anything you want, and you avoid defamation proceedings libel laws
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Speaker 2: that would apply to all of the rest of us.
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Speaker 2: But apparently you can't call the Prime Minister or anyone
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Speaker 2: else in the Parliament House a liar.
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Speaker 4: Labor has refused to be honest with Australians about its
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Speaker 4: plan for new toxic taxes, a lie that the government
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Speaker 4: hid from Australians at the last election.
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Speaker 1: Just going to rule on that.
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Speaker 4: I'm ruling that part of the question out regarding the
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Speaker 4: use of the word lie, as all speakers before me
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Speaker 4: have done.
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Speaker 2: So well speaking then went through a whole bunch of
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Speaker 2: previous speakers and how they'd ruled against it. But I
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Speaker 2: mean this is despite the fact that the government itself
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Speaker 2: repeatedly lied before last year's election.
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Speaker 5: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 5: capital gains taxes?
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Speaker 1: How hard is it? For the fiftieth time.
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Speaker 3: Now when it comes to negative gearing. We've made it
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Speaker 3: very clear that that's not something that we are proposing.
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Speaker 4: I told people we wouldn't make changes the proofs in
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Speaker 4: the putting.
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Speaker 1: Andrew negative gearing is off the table. Yeah, it's off
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Speaker 1: the table. Negative gearing. Is it really off the agenda
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Speaker 1: or not agenda?
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Speaker 3: Ross, We've made that really clear.
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Speaker 2: It's remarkable, I mean clearly. I mean they say, now, okay,
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Speaker 2: we're not lying. We've actually changed our minds. They were
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Speaker 2: lying then. So if Angus Taylor's in the House referring
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Speaker 2: to comments that have been made previously, surely he can
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Speaker 2: say the word lie now. Remarkably, if a politician, no
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Speaker 2: matter what their party, blatantly lies about something, they should
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Speaker 2: be called out in Parliament. And still on these tax changes,
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Speaker 2: one interesting tactic from Labor is this they are now
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Speaker 2: wheeling out multimillionaire and Member for Paramata, doctor Andrew Charlton,
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Speaker 2: to run interference for his treasure and Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: If you were investing, for example, in shares over a
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Speaker 6: long period of time, the old scheme was actually quite
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Speaker 6: punitive to you because if you were holding those shares,
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Speaker 6: if you're investing in a productive asset for the long term,
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Speaker 6: you're accumulating a lot of inflation and that scheme was
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Speaker 6: not compensating you for that legislation. So for people in
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Speaker 6: that situation who are trying to invest in what we
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Speaker 6: want want them to invest in, which is productive assets.
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Speaker 6: Over the long term, those people, many of those people
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Speaker 6: will be better off in the news game because they're
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Speaker 6: getting protection from inflation.
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Speaker 2: You might not agree with what Charlton says, but boy,
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Speaker 2: why is he not the treasurer. He's one of the
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Speaker 2: very few labour ministers who actually run a business. He
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Speaker 2: famously cashed out, making himself a very wealthy man, as
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Speaker 2: opposed to Anthony Alberanezian charmers, who are career politicians, factional
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Speaker 2: heavyweights who probably had never heard of trusts and the
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Speaker 2: like until someone from Treasury pointed out the cash pile
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Speaker 2: to be raked in cutting into capital gains, tax discounts
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Speaker 2: and the like. It has become a feature of federal
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Speaker 2: labor and certainly state labor, especially in Victoria, of having
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Speaker 2: people in charge, especially of the finances, with absolutely no
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Speaker 2: knowledge of the business of running a company small, medium
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Speaker 2: or large. Victorian premierg cinder Allen's only job outside politics
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Speaker 2: she joined labor at the age of sixteen, was as
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Speaker 2: a checkout worker at Cole's. The treasurer of Jacqueline Simes
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Speaker 2: has a law degree and has worked as a ministerial
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Speaker 2: advisor in her younger days. A perfect alp CV. It
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Speaker 2: would seem, look, we really desperately need a debate in
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Speaker 2: this country about the backgrounds of elected MPs and their
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Speaker 2: ability to actually understand things they are in charge of. Parliament,
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Speaker 2: State and federal seen to be full of university educated
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Speaker 2: lawyers or political advisors or lobbyists, and rarely do we
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Speaker 2: get someone who's grown up working a normal job or
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Speaker 2: heaven forbid, running a business. If you want to work
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Speaker 2: out some of the appeal of Pauline Hanson, you'll look
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Speaker 2: no further than the fact she ran and owned a
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Speaker 2: fish and chip shop. They laugh at her, but she
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Speaker 2: understands business. Both sides of the major parties are at
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Speaker 2: fault and we are the ones who pay the price. Now,
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Speaker 2: just before I go to doctor Anne Webster from the
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Speaker 2: NATS and speaking of the quality of our MP, State
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Speaker 2: and federal, this little piece of vision caught my eye
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Speaker 2: yesterday when I was sitting there watching question time, Labour's
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Speaker 2: Attorney General Michelle Rowland was at the dispatch box on
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Speaker 2: her feet answering a question with some detail. Have a
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Speaker 2: look at the respect she is afforded by two of
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Speaker 2: the most senior ministers in the Albanesi government. Treasurer Charmers
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Speaker 2: and Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, including.
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Speaker 7: The Honorable Member for Indi who serves as its deputy chair.
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Speaker 7: And I also thanked the Member for Indie for her
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Speaker 7: work on this very important committee. The Committee's decision is
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Speaker 7: then reported to the parliament. Mister Speaker, I note that
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Speaker 7: all appointments made to the Commission to date have been
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Speaker 7: unanimously approved by the Parliamentary Joint Committee. The merit based
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Speaker 7: process for Knack appointments reflects the Albanesi Government's commitment to
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Speaker 7: integrity and accountability in government, and I thank the Honorable
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Speaker 7: Member for her positive engagem in this regard.
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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know whether Charmers and Burke were trying
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Speaker 2: to work out whether they were going to go to
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Speaker 2: dinner in Canberra that night, or they were telling jokes,
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Speaker 2: or they were telling each other what a wonderful job
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Speaker 2: they are doing. But isn't Labor the Labor Party supposed
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Speaker 2: to be the party of equality in women's rights and respect.
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Speaker 2: I'd have to say there wasn't much respect shown there.
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Speaker 2: Let's stick on these changes. Treasurer at Jim Charmers, he
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Speaker 2: introduced that bill, as I said at the beginning of
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Speaker 2: the program of lies and exaggeration to the House today
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Speaker 2: to change negative gearing and capital gains tax. He told
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Speaker 2: the House that he was proud to obviously deliver this legislation. Well,
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Speaker 2: since he's delivered that budget, I'm not sure he's too
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Speaker 2: proud about how the debate's going. Joining me in our
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Speaker 2: shadow regional Health Minister and Webster, good to talk to you.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time. That little clip I just showed
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Speaker 2: there of Charmers and Burke talking while the Attorney General's
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Speaker 2: making a very important point at the dispatch box didn't
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Speaker 2: show much respect for the person doing her job. On
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Speaker 2: the day, I wouldn't have thought.
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Speaker 8: Well, they don't.
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Speaker 9: This is the most arrogant government and the hubris that
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Speaker 9: the Labor government is showing to their own ministers.
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Speaker 8: For goodness sake, they're.
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Speaker 9: So good at giving lectures and moral higher ground. And
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Speaker 9: you know, if we look at this budget, what a
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Speaker 9: classic that they could go to an election without even
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Speaker 9: mentioning well, actually saying that they won't make changes, and
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Speaker 9: here they are. They've made the Chambers changes and there's
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Speaker 9: nothing to see here. It does my head in and
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Speaker 9: the fact that we now have ruling that we are
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Speaker 9: effectively gagged from calling their behavior out for what it is,
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Speaker 9: which is lying. And the government has lied to the
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Speaker 9: people Australia and they ought to be held to account
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Speaker 9: for it, and that is our job in opposition to
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Speaker 9: do exactly that.
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Speaker 2: Look, I was very surprised also about Milton Dick's ruling
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Speaker 2: on the word lie. I mean he went back over
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Speaker 2: various speakers through history and said that they'd made a
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Speaker 2: similar ruling. But surely you as a party, and you
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Speaker 2: as a member of the House of Representatives in question time,
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Speaker 2: if you get up and say to the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: in a question you lied to the Australian people before
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Speaker 2: the election about capital gains tax and negative gearing, there's
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Speaker 2: nothing wrong at all with that question.
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Speaker 1: It's perfectly legitimate.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's a statement of fact. That's the problem here,
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Speaker 9: and it is our job to actually make those statements
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Speaker 9: of fact and to call out the government. I don't
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Speaker 9: know whether your viewers understand that role. People like politicians
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Speaker 9: to be nigh, to get along and you know, not
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Speaker 9: play tough. Well, this is, unfortunately, as we are seeing
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Speaker 9: with the Albanezy government, a dirty game and they have
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Speaker 9: taken the Australian people on as mugs and we will absolutely.
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Speaker 8: Call them out.
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Speaker 9: I mean you talked about CGT changes, Steve, and I
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Speaker 9: have you know incredibly respected business people, small business people
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Speaker 9: in Mildura, Peter and Fiona Davilli, who have run a
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Speaker 9: highly respected business for thirty five years. They wrote to
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Speaker 9: me yesterday they are so deeply distressed because they have
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Speaker 9: invested so much. They have employed and grown their employment
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Speaker 9: to seventy five from seventeen thirty.
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Speaker 8: Five years ago.
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Speaker 9: They are investing in their community. They highly respected members
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Speaker 9: of the community and here the government is effectively penali
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Speaker 9: seeing them without.
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Speaker 8: A word of it prior to the.
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Speaker 9: Election, without a word other than saying no, no, no,
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Speaker 9: nothing to see here. We won't be making these changes. Well,
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Speaker 9: they are experiencing this now and to say that they
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Speaker 9: are feeling deflated is you know, it doesn't really express it.
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Speaker 9: People are very worried about these changes, and ultimately it
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Speaker 9: is labor doing labor things.
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Speaker 8: They are a socialist government.
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Speaker 9: They want bigger government and they ultimately want a government economy.
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Speaker 8: They don't want private enterprise.
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Speaker 9: If they did, they would be doing much better than
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Speaker 9: they are now.
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Speaker 2: And you had Matt Canavan and others up in your region.
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Speaker 2: I think last week the renewables debate. We talk about
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Speaker 2: it on Chris's show all the time, on Peter Show
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Speaker 2: all the time. Companies trying to run rough shot over
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Speaker 2: people's farms. You've even got their Victorian government threatening to
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Speaker 2: throw people into jail if they don't let the transmission
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Speaker 2: line company onto their property. What did you show your
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Speaker 2: leader and others when you had them in your area.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks, Steve.
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Speaker 9: I had Matt Canavan and Darren Chester, the deputy leader
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Speaker 9: of the Nationals, and also Danny O'Brien, the leader of
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Speaker 9: the Nationals in Victoria, come to Saint Arnod, a little
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Speaker 9: town in my electorate. Two hundred and twenty farmers turned
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Speaker 9: up who have been fighting for their right to farm
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Speaker 9: for years, for years, and I have stood with them
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Speaker 9: and developed legislation at federal level to protect prime agricultural
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Speaker 9: land from exactly this kind of railroading that has been
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Speaker 9: going on. They are pretty they have been, i should say,
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Speaker 9: a very devastated farming community. And they represent They've now
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Speaker 9: got fifty thousand followers and so they're not a small not.
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Speaker 8: For profit so to speak.
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Speaker 9: They actually represent a lot of farmers around the country.
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Speaker 9: Matt Canavan came down a law announced that we.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of anger there. I mean, I've talked
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Speaker 2: to these people on the ground and I think you're
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Speaker 2: doing an outstanding job when you should keep going. And
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Speaker 2: I think the rest of the country is starting to
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Speaker 2: get bloody annoyed about this net zero and farmers being railroaded.
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Speaker 1: And thanks for your time. I appreciate it very much.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention now to this report this morning,
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Speaker 2: a remarkable report saying Australia is eighty six billion dollars
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Speaker 2: short in critical defense funding. Now this is the annual
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Speaker 2: ASPY Strategic Policy Warning. In its Cost of Defense report,
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Speaker 2: they say capability is being sacrificed to pay for ORCUS.
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Speaker 2: Joining me, now, someone who knows this area extremely well,
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Speaker 2: Chris Kenny regular former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure the ASPY report, Alexander, would surprise you all that much.
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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't.
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Speaker 10: I think the ASPI report is dead ride. I mean, basically,
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Speaker 10: the defense budget is being cannibalized in.
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Speaker 8: Order to pay for orcas rather.
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Speaker 10: Than the orcus ex expenditure being augmented, and so as
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Speaker 10: a result, defense capabilities today are gradually declining. For example,
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Speaker 10: we were unable to send a ship, a warship to
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Speaker 10: the Gulf of to the Strait of Hormuz because our
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Speaker 10: ships wouldn't be able to defend themselves from Iranian drones
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Speaker 10: and missiles. I mean that reflects the weakness of our
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Speaker 10: defense force where we haven't invested in recent times in
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Speaker 10: key capability. So the ASPI.
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Speaker 1: Report is dead ride.
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Speaker 2: The government keeps jelling us no, no, no, nothing to see here.
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Speaker 2: We're spending lots of money, said at a Paterson. James
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Speaker 2: Patterson was on Sky this morning. Have I listened to
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Speaker 2: what he had to say about that?
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Speaker 11: Richard Miles has been claiming that this government is going
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Speaker 11: to invest fifty three billion dollars in defense over the
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Speaker 11: next decade. It turns out the government hasn't actually decided
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Speaker 11: to do that.
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Speaker 1: It is all spin.
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Speaker 11: It is no substance, and it's no delivery, and it
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Speaker 11: doesn't make our men, women in uniform, or our country
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Speaker 11: any safer.
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Speaker 1: There is a lot of spin going on, isn't there
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes.
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Speaker 10: Well, there's a lot of manipulating, manipulation of the budget.
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Speaker 10: To tell you the truth, So for a start, they've
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Speaker 10: incorporated into the defense budget expenditure on things like superannuation
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Speaker 10: payments to former defense personnel, which wasn't included in the
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Speaker 10: defense estimates before, so that inflates the defense budget, so
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Speaker 10: they can claim they're increasing spending on defense. And secondly,
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Speaker 10: they're making assumptions about private sector investment in defense, which
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Speaker 10: they're also incorporating into their estimates of increased defense spending.
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Speaker 10: So they're playing with numbers. But as USB points out
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Speaker 10: and others have pointed out as well, the really expenditure
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Speaker 10: on improving defense capabilities, the effectiveness of our defense force,
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Speaker 10: it's negligible and it's very sad to see a government
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Speaker 10: in Australia being so complacent about defense at such an
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Speaker 10: unstable time. In international relations.
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Speaker 2: Well, as you say, we're in a very dangerous situation
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Speaker 2: at the moment, I mean, not the least being the
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Speaker 2: conflict in the Middle East. I note President Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: today flanked by Pete Hesketh, the Minister for War, and
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Speaker 2: he also had Marco Rubio with him. He said I
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Speaker 2: was never going to do a deal with Iran, and
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Speaker 2: I presume he's referring to the Iranians have comeback saying Okay,
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Speaker 2: we'll do a deal on that, but you need to
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Speaker 2: give us this and that. Where do you see this
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Speaker 2: being out at the moment, given there's been fresh strikes
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Speaker 2: by the US on Iran, and also Israel has gone
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Speaker 2: back into southern Lebanon.
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Speaker 10: Well, the Americans have attacked the Iranians boats that were
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Speaker 10: laying mines in the Strait of Hormuz. So it's understandable
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Speaker 10: if the Iranians start laying mines that that is an
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Speaker 10: act of war in and of itself. So they're in
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Speaker 10: breach of the ceasefire by doing that, So the Americans
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Speaker 10: are entirely justified to attack them. Look, ultimately, Iran's economy
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Speaker 10: and particularly the Irgc who are such beneficiaries of any
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Speaker 10: economic wealth in Iran. Iran's economy can't survive as long
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Speaker 10: as they're unable to export their oil, and the oil
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Speaker 10: exports have diminished to negligible levels because of the American
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Speaker 10: blockade of their ports in the Persian Gulf. So in
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Speaker 10: the Iranians, the Iranians are the people who are suffering
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Speaker 10: the most here and the Americans just need to be
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Speaker 10: patient and hold out. And as for the Israeli attacks
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Speaker 10: in Lebanon. I mean, it's not an Israeli attack on
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Speaker 10: the whole of Lebanon.
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Speaker 8: It's Israeli.
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Speaker 10: Israeli's attacking Hezbelah missile sites and storage where they've been
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Speaker 10: firing missiles into Israel. So it's inevitably going to happen
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Speaker 10: for as long as Hesbela maintain kinetic activity against Israel.
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Speaker 2: Now it's interesting in if you watch the ABC, I
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Speaker 2: think it was four Corners of Monday Night, Christ showed
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Speaker 2: it on this program, you would think there was no
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Speaker 2: war in Iran. People just wandering around the streets living
22:04
Speaker 2: life as if nothing's ever changed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was an absolute disgrace. I didn't see
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Speaker 1: the program.
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Speaker 10: But the Iranian people, let's think about the people. They're
22:16
Speaker 10: the ninety or so minion people in Iran are really
22:21
Speaker 10: suffering as a result of this theocratic regime, and you know,
22:26
Speaker 10: seventy eighty percent of them want to get rid of
22:30
Speaker 10: the regime. They don't have the capacity to rise up
22:34
Speaker 10: against it because the IRGC, who are the militias who
22:39
Speaker 10: support and uphold the regime, have all the guns. So
22:44
Speaker 10: anybody who rises up or protests runs the risk of
22:48
Speaker 10: being shot down or hanged in the streets. So it's
22:52
Speaker 10: a very difficult situation for the Uranian people. And I mean,
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Speaker 10: I think it's really important we sympathize with the Iranian
23:00
Speaker 10: people and recognize where on their side, not on the
23:04
Speaker 10: side of this militant, brutal theocracy that runs the country.
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Speaker 2: Good to catch up, Alexander, Thank you very much, Alexander
23:12
Speaker 2: Downer there now coming up after the break, we go
23:14
Speaker 2: back to the budget. We learn that Jim Charmers has
23:17
Speaker 2: quietly stripped billions of dollars out of road funding in
23:21
Speaker 2: the federal budget. As we have the road death toll
23:24
Speaker 2: is soaring around the country. I'll talk to Victorian Nationals
23:27
Speaker 2: leader Danny O'Brien up next. Welcome back to Steve Price
23:33
Speaker 2: in for Chris Kenny. You've got to dig around in
23:36
Speaker 2: these budgets and it sometimes takes days, weeks even for
23:40
Speaker 2: people to discover some.
23:41
Speaker 1: Of the nasties hidden in any budget.
23:44
Speaker 2: We now discover that the government Jim Charmers, has cut
23:48
Speaker 2: three point eight billion dollars from transport projects in the
23:52
Speaker 2: coming year in this budget alone. Now a lot of
23:55
Speaker 2: this goes to road maintenance. Now, if you live anywhere
23:58
Speaker 2: in regional Australia. Watching the Kenny program tonight, you'll know
24:02
Speaker 2: that the state of the roads, particularly in regional Australia,
24:06
Speaker 2: are a disgrace. And it's not just regional country roads,
24:09
Speaker 2: it's highways, freeways. I travel regularly an hour and a
24:13
Speaker 2: half from Melbourne and the freeway that I use, part
24:17
Speaker 2: of it which they're reservicing, has bloody great potholes on it.
24:21
Speaker 2: Joining us now, Victorian Nationals leader Danny O'Brien, what government
24:26
Speaker 2: in their right mind cuts billions out of road funding
24:30
Speaker 2: when the road toll is going north and the roads
24:33
Speaker 2: are cactus from not having money spend on them.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, good evening, Stephen, Good evening viewers. I think perhaps
24:39
Speaker 12: you maybe put the question there, what government in their
24:41
Speaker 12: right mind? And surely we should be investing more in
24:45
Speaker 12: our roads, particularly the road maintenance side of things, and
24:48
Speaker 12: at the moment we're actually seeing the opposite. And you know, perhaps, Steve,
24:52
Speaker 12: it's curious that it's three point eight billion that's been cut,
24:55
Speaker 12: which is exactly the same figure that the federal government
24:57
Speaker 12: has given to the Victorian government for the and Railroup,
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Speaker 12: which is a project that no one seems to want.
25:03
Speaker 12: We all want our roads fixed. And we're missing out
25:06
Speaker 12: on that.
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Speaker 2: Surely a coincidence. We can't be that cynical, Cameley. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Jasandra Allen has already said in the lead up to
25:14
Speaker 2: the election in November, Danny, that she's going to fix potholes.
25:18
Speaker 2: I have deliberately since she made that statement, made sure
25:21
Speaker 2: that when I'm on any country road, and I travel
25:24
Speaker 2: on country roads a lot, I've not seen one road
25:27
Speaker 2: gang fixing one pothole.
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Speaker 12: It's the state across the situation, right across the state,
25:34
Speaker 12: that's for sure, Steve. I've just driven from Sale to
25:36
Speaker 12: Bendigo here just into Allen's own electric and finding on
25:40
Speaker 12: the call to a highway, the Princess Highway. As you said,
25:43
Speaker 12: these are not country roads. These are jewel wayne major
25:47
Speaker 12: highways that have got potholes, that have got dodgy shoulders,
25:51
Speaker 12: that have got broken surfaces. And it's happening continually because
25:55
Speaker 12: we haven't had the investment, particularly the investment in the
25:58
Speaker 12: preventative maintenance that's needed in our roads. And we see again,
26:02
Speaker 12: as you said, you need to get into the weeds
26:05
Speaker 12: of these budgets because often there's a big headline that
26:07
Speaker 12: we're spending lots more money, but in fact we're actually
26:10
Speaker 12: doing less work and that's the case certainly in the
26:12
Speaker 12: Victorian budget as well.
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Speaker 2: I noticed that you are in Benigo. We had that
26:18
Speaker 2: great vision during the week of Jasinda Allen outdoor knocking
26:22
Speaker 2: and at least one of her constituents refusing to open
26:25
Speaker 2: the door, or when they opened it saw it was her,
26:27
Speaker 2: they shut it very quickly. Your candidate went very close
26:31
Speaker 2: to snatching that seat federally in the federal election. Just gone,
26:36
Speaker 2: what's your polling telling you about his chances of taking
26:38
Speaker 2: it off the premiere in November.
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Speaker 12: Ah, Look, we know would asolutely absolutely be a tough
26:43
Speaker 12: ask and very much a battle here in Bendigo Eest.
26:46
Speaker 12: But Andrew Lethleen has been a sensational candidate in the
26:50
Speaker 12: federal seat, as you said, had a ten percent swing when.
26:52
Speaker 1: The entire nation went the other way.
26:55
Speaker 12: And the response that he's got since we announced him
26:57
Speaker 12: as the candidate six orzo weeks ago has just been phenomenal.
27:01
Speaker 12: And not just from Bendio, of course, there's a lot
27:03
Speaker 12: of people from right across Victoria that want to get
27:06
Speaker 12: behind Andrew and his campaign to unseat to cinter Ellen.
27:09
Speaker 12: But the feel here on the ground is very good,
27:12
Speaker 12: as it was in the federal campaign, and certainly the
27:16
Speaker 12: reception that he's getting is great, just as you saw
27:19
Speaker 12: the reception that the premier is getting is not always
27:22
Speaker 12: so great.
27:24
Speaker 2: Great anniversary today, it's a year ago since the Victorian
27:27
Speaker 2: premier said that she was going to ban the sale
27:29
Speaker 2: of machetes. She's going to spend a huge amount of
27:31
Speaker 2: money putting bins in police stations, with the crazy idea
27:35
Speaker 2: that people would turn up with a CCTV camera at
27:38
Speaker 2: a police station holding a machete.
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Speaker 1: It didn't happen.
27:41
Speaker 2: We so far in that twelve months, four people have
27:44
Speaker 2: lost their lives to machete attacks. We've had dozens of
27:47
Speaker 2: people who have been slashed, even as late as last week.
27:50
Speaker 2: It has not worked. And it was a complete con
27:53
Speaker 2: from the beginning. They were not going to give up
27:56
Speaker 2: these machetes, these young teenage crime gangs, and who would
27:59
Speaker 2: have thought they would, Well, that's the case.
28:02
Speaker 12: You know, it's always the case that the criminals are
28:05
Speaker 12: not going to give up their weapons. And unfortunately these
28:07
Speaker 12: events only ever punished for the Laura Biding, and we
28:12
Speaker 12: know that the criminals are still using them. We know
28:15
Speaker 12: that sadly, there's a real gang youth, gang crime problem
28:18
Speaker 12: in Victoria, not just in the cities, but in our
28:20
Speaker 12: regional centers as well. And as you said, the statistics
28:24
Speaker 12: there show that there's been continued assaults and sadly some deaths,
28:29
Speaker 12: tragically deaths that have occurred through this. And we've got
28:32
Speaker 12: a government that I thinks out of ideas, they don't
28:34
Speaker 12: know what to do. We don't have enough police on
28:36
Speaker 12: the beat. We've got fifteen hundred vacancies at the moment
28:39
Speaker 12: across the state.
28:40
Speaker 1: That's why the.
28:41
Speaker 12: Nationals and Liberals have committed to three thousand new police
28:44
Speaker 12: fifteen hundred to fill those vacancies, and another fifteen hundred
28:46
Speaker 12: on top of that to get more safety on our street,
28:49
Speaker 12: as well as cracking down on bail issues, because we've
28:52
Speaker 12: got kids that are running around causing problems. They get
28:55
Speaker 12: arrested and there are no consequences for them, They get
28:57
Speaker 12: out on bail and they go out and.
28:59
Speaker 13: Do it again.
29:01
Speaker 2: Just before you go, I founded just cinder Allen policy
29:03
Speaker 2: you agree with. She's not backing the Prime Minister's gun
29:07
Speaker 2: buyback scheme.
29:08
Speaker 12: Yeah, we do, Steve, that's certainly one that well. The
29:12
Speaker 12: issue of the caps, you know, capping the numbers number
29:15
Speaker 12: of guns that Australians or Victorians can own wouldn't solve
29:18
Speaker 12: the issue, doesn't It doesn't make the state any safer.
29:21
Speaker 12: We've always backed the rights of Laura Biding firearms owners
29:24
Speaker 12: and that's what this is about. Unfortunately, the Bondi attack
29:27
Speaker 12: was about Islamic terrorism.
29:29
Speaker 13: It wasn't about the guns.
29:30
Speaker 12: And indeed, the laws that have been introduced in New
29:33
Speaker 12: South Wales and that thankfully have been rejected here in Victoria,
29:36
Speaker 12: they wouldn't have stopped Bondi. They would only punish the
29:39
Speaker 12: law abiding and that's why we certainly didn't support them.
29:41
Speaker 12: And yes, you have found one of the very few
29:44
Speaker 12: circumstances where we would agree.
29:45
Speaker 1: With the Labor government here in Victoria. Danny good On,
29:49
Speaker 1: you're good to catch up. Thank you very much. Now,
29:51
Speaker 1: I reckon.
29:51
Speaker 2: I have over the last twenty years clavig stories about
29:55
Speaker 2: NAP plan and how it's failing our students over and
29:58
Speaker 2: over and over again. Apparently AI is now being blamed
30:02
Speaker 2: for students failing to meet the standards in computing and
30:06
Speaker 2: information technology, joining me now to discuss it, and apparently
30:10
Speaker 2: these figures show that was the worst NAP plan results
30:14
Speaker 2: for year ten. Ever, joining me now someone who knows
30:18
Speaker 2: a lot about education, Adam Voight, who I've talked on
30:21
Speaker 2: a regular basis, what's gone on here in nap plan?
30:24
Speaker 2: Why are we not having any advancement? I mean, is it?
30:28
Speaker 2: Are we at the point where we need to get rid.
30:30
Speaker 1: Of napplan evening price?
30:32
Speaker 14: He good to chat again, and look, naplan is such
30:35
Speaker 14: a conjecture. There's so much conjecture around nap plan. It
30:38
Speaker 14: really drives a lot of us crazy. And the thing
30:40
Speaker 14: that drives is crazy most is that every year we
30:42
Speaker 14: basically find out the same thing, and that is that
30:45
Speaker 14: the best way that you can get an indicator on
30:47
Speaker 14: how someone's going to go at naplan is their postcode.
30:49
Speaker 14: And as much as we have federal and state politicians
30:52
Speaker 14: jumping up and down saying that that shouldn't matter, it does.
30:56
Speaker 14: And so we continue to make the same mistakes around
30:58
Speaker 14: the way we fund our schools continue to have palatial
31:02
Speaker 14: facilities in private schools that are funded by the government,
31:05
Speaker 14: while schools where the kids are who have the biggest
31:07
Speaker 14: need and have the biggest chance to improve our nappland
31:09
Speaker 14: results are wandering, are left laundering. It's not good enough,
31:13
Speaker 14: and sometimes we can get distracted by issues for things
31:17
Speaker 14: like what's happening with AI and is that dumbing our
31:19
Speaker 14: kids down? And that's something we should have our heads
31:21
Speaker 14: up about. But the big issue when it comes to
31:23
Speaker 14: napland results is the way that we fund our schools.
31:27
Speaker 2: Is the red flag about year ten worth some extra investigation.
31:33
Speaker 2: I mean, we do nap plan in three levels of schooling.
31:39
Speaker 2: What is it about year ten? Do you think, Adam
31:42
Speaker 2: that is causing a problem.
31:44
Speaker 14: There's a handful of things that come into the year
31:46
Speaker 14: ten one that are probably very much are worth exploring.
31:49
Speaker 14: So the first one is kind of where they were
31:51
Speaker 14: around twenty twenty and so what was happening to them
31:54
Speaker 14: when covid heit is that the interruption in the way
31:58
Speaker 14: that their education was going came out a really crucial
32:00
Speaker 14: stage for them. The other thing is we're finding from
32:02
Speaker 14: systems all around the world is what happens around year
32:05
Speaker 14: nine is when we ask them to do a test.
32:07
Speaker 14: And that's why we're looking at these year ten kids
32:08
Speaker 14: who did the nap land test in year nine is
32:11
Speaker 14: the year nine's all around the world and starting to
32:13
Speaker 14: ask questions like what's in this for me? And so
32:15
Speaker 14: the effort piece in terms of their learning goes down
32:17
Speaker 14: when all we're doing is something We want this because
32:20
Speaker 14: I don't really know why we're finding out the same
32:22
Speaker 14: things every year, but we just want you to do
32:23
Speaker 14: the test anyway. And then the third bit that comes
32:26
Speaker 14: into this is the technological bit. We are genuinely concerned
32:29
Speaker 14: about the way that our young people are being built
32:32
Speaker 14: at the moment because so much of kind of the
32:34
Speaker 14: way they think, the way their psyche is, the way
32:36
Speaker 14: that their confidence and the self esteem is built, comes
32:39
Speaker 14: from scrolling on social media. And that's why we need
32:42
Speaker 14: to be really careful about the proliferation. I only have
32:44
Speaker 14: that technology, but Ai'm moving forward as well.
32:48
Speaker 1: What impact does is AI going to have? Theman?
32:51
Speaker 2: You know, I write a weekly column and if I'm
32:53
Speaker 2: doing research and I put an inquiry into Google, the
32:57
Speaker 2: first thing that comes up on the screen is something
32:58
Speaker 2: from AI. Can't tell you the number of times when
33:01
Speaker 2: I've actually checked the facts of that AI that is
33:05
Speaker 2: prompted that I need to have a look at it.
33:08
Speaker 14: It's wrong, it's amazing. Price So I think that when
33:12
Speaker 14: AI first kind of burst onto the scene for us
33:14
Speaker 14: on the school saying the first thing we were worried
33:16
Speaker 14: about was cheating. Now that these kids are not going
33:18
Speaker 14: to we're not going to be able to know what
33:20
Speaker 14: they're doing because they're just going to go and cheat.
33:22
Speaker 14: I actually think there's a much bigger problem here pricing.
33:24
Speaker 14: It's what you've sort of pointed to there, is that
33:27
Speaker 14: in time, what we don't want kids to do is
33:30
Speaker 14: to learn that anytime they face something difficult, anytime they
33:33
Speaker 14: face something that's kind of requires a little bit of
33:35
Speaker 14: intellectual struggle from them, what they do is they just
33:38
Speaker 14: go and ask the machine and accept the answers. You
33:40
Speaker 14: point out a lot of the time it's wrong, and
33:42
Speaker 14: then a lot of the time also what that does
33:44
Speaker 14: is it conditions us to kind of lose the ability
33:46
Speaker 14: to think. And I think one of the biggest risks
33:48
Speaker 14: we face, and this is something that education is kind
33:50
Speaker 14: of a microcosm of the community on this, One of
33:53
Speaker 14: the biggest risks we face around AI is that it
33:55
Speaker 14: could you serve our ability to think and we need
33:58
Speaker 14: we're going to need young people who can work together
34:00
Speaker 14: when I need young people who can discern, who are resilient,
34:03
Speaker 14: and a lot of that just frankly goes out the
34:05
Speaker 14: window when we outsource our thinking to AI.
34:09
Speaker 2: It was good to catch up, Adam, good on you mate,
34:11
Speaker 2: Thanks very much. Now coming up after the break, Robbo
34:14
Speaker 2: Mark Robinson's going to join us, going to talk about
34:16
Speaker 2: that State of Origin match last night, What to comeback?
34:18
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be the greatest combat ever by the
34:21
Speaker 2: Blues against Queensland and game two it's being held in Melbourne.
34:25
Speaker 2: My question is why welcome back to Steve Price in
34:34
Speaker 2: for Chris Kenny. The panel coming up, including some extraordinary
34:37
Speaker 2: words from Jill Biden, wife of Joe Biden, who thought
34:40
Speaker 2: her husband was having a stroke when he was in
34:42
Speaker 2: that debate with Donald Trump. I watched the State of
34:45
Speaker 2: Origin last night. I mean you can leave the commentator
34:47
Speaker 2: out of it. I thought he just shouted his way
34:50
Speaker 2: through the whole game. It's been called the greatest comeback
34:53
Speaker 2: in Origin history. Queensland were defeated twenty two to twenty.
34:58
Speaker 2: Robbo Mark Robinson Chris's regular my ale mate joins us.
35:04
Speaker 2: State of Origin is an incredible spectacle every year of
35:09
Speaker 2: I mean the AFL sadly can't match it. Last night
35:14
Speaker 2: we saw probably what their sayn is the greatest comeback ever.
35:17
Speaker 2: But to be fair, Queensland played the second half one
35:20
Speaker 2: player less because they were said off.
35:23
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, there's always very ancient in sport. I
35:25
Speaker 13: mean the fact of the matter is, and you were right.
35:28
Speaker 13: See there's one of the great sporting events. Now I
35:31
Speaker 13: feel just non sporting people who wonder why all our
35:34
Speaker 13: sports mad people tune into sports. This is exhibit A.
35:38
Speaker 13: This is coming from behind. They're up by twenty to
35:41
Speaker 13: twenty minutes in the game, twenty to six at a
35:43
Speaker 13: half time. You can get lucky in sport. You can't
35:46
Speaker 13: have luck for fifty minutes and fight your way back
35:49
Speaker 13: into a state of origin state of origin game in
35:53
Speaker 13: the rain. This was. This was as good as an
35:57
Speaker 13: origin game. Well, I I've seen, but I mean people
36:00
Speaker 13: have seen a lot more than me. But this was
36:02
Speaker 13: one of the all time greats.
36:05
Speaker 2: You and I love AFL. The AFL have reintroduced state
36:09
Speaker 2: of origin. It's never going to quite have the passion
36:12
Speaker 2: that the Rugby League state of Origin has.
36:14
Speaker 1: I don't think.
36:15
Speaker 2: Although you and I went to games in the past
36:18
Speaker 2: where South Australia and Victoria played each other. I mean
36:20
Speaker 2: I remember seeing Victoria ad you know, Tony Lockett, Gary
36:24
Speaker 2: Ablett sr at full forward with Jason Dunstall. I mean
36:27
Speaker 2: that was pretty exciting.
36:29
Speaker 13: Yeah it was, and it was a big cloud the MCG.
36:31
Speaker 13: But the world's moved on that. There's some people out
36:33
Speaker 13: there who are really supportive of Origin and good on
36:36
Speaker 13: them AFL Origin that is, I don't. I mean, the
36:39
Speaker 13: game was played in February this year. I can't remember
36:42
Speaker 13: one little thing about it except the injuries that happened
36:46
Speaker 13: to the Giants which helped derail this season. I just don't.
36:50
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
36:50
Speaker 13: But other people do good on them, but I can't
36:53
Speaker 13: think of one highlight from that game.
36:57
Speaker 2: Origin two is going to be played at the MCG.
37:00
Speaker 2: There will be a big crowd because Melbourne people are
37:02
Speaker 2: crazy about sports. But why does the ARL, the Australian
37:05
Speaker 2: Rugby League as opposed to the NRL, sell a game
37:09
Speaker 2: to Melbourne When you consider that crowd you got last
37:13
Speaker 2: night that you could not have squeeze one more person
37:16
Speaker 2: into Homebush Stadium.
37:18
Speaker 13: That's a really good question. I understand why, and I
37:21
Speaker 13: think the reasons are you've got to win the hearts
37:24
Speaker 13: and minds not just of Queensland and New South Wales,
37:27
Speaker 13: and you've been to Origin at the MCG, it hasn't
37:30
Speaker 13: got the cauldron effect of the Origin Games because the
37:34
Speaker 13: grounds are designed for these Origin Games. It hasn't got
37:37
Speaker 13: that cauldron effect. But they get ninety thousand there and
37:40
Speaker 13: it helps spread this great message of rugby league state
37:44
Speaker 13: of origin. Second, and I don't mind this, Steve, and
37:46
Speaker 13: tell me what you think. Yeah, I thought there was
37:49
Speaker 13: too much in favor of the previous winners of you
37:52
Speaker 13: go Home Away Home. I like home, neutral away. I
37:57
Speaker 13: think it gives more opportunity for the challenging team to
38:01
Speaker 13: try and knock off the holder.
38:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
38:05
Speaker 2: It was the only thing I could reason, I could
38:07
Speaker 2: think as to why they would do it, apart from
38:09
Speaker 2: the money. I lost a very dear friend of mine
38:12
Speaker 2: to MND. He lasted one year. He went from being
38:17
Speaker 2: a downhill ski champion to dead in a year. Neil
38:21
Speaker 2: Danaher has lasted fourteen years. I think it is you've
38:25
Speaker 2: done the big slide into the icy water.
38:28
Speaker 1: What an extraordinary blow.
38:32
Speaker 13: I don't think extra I think you could pick one
38:33
Speaker 13: hundred words to describe Neil down Her and the impact.
38:37
Speaker 13: And we've seen the impact because of the pouring out
38:40
Speaker 13: of grief and admiration, just not in Victoria, around the country.
38:44
Speaker 1: I mean.
38:46
Speaker 13: Few humans, Steven. You've met a lot, and I've met
38:49
Speaker 13: a lot, and everyone's met Higgs. There's very very few
38:53
Speaker 13: humans would have the unselfish gene ade that kneel down
38:59
Speaker 13: at her carried. Now he carried another bad gene or
39:02
Speaker 13: whatever he contracted MND. But I would think that he
39:05
Speaker 13: would be up there with the most selfless people we
39:08
Speaker 13: have ever met.
39:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had been diagnosed like that, I would
39:13
Speaker 2: have probably curled up into a ball and felt sorry
39:16
Speaker 2: for himself. That's before you go, James heard. Should he
39:18
Speaker 2: coach Estendon? You're an Essendon massive Issendon fan?
39:23
Speaker 13: Should he coaches? There's one thing about life, Steve. If
39:26
Speaker 13: we don't have fairy tales, we don't have dreams, and
39:30
Speaker 13: we don't have redemption, what have we got? Every single
39:33
Speaker 13: bastard and I shouldn't say that word. I apologize, And
39:36
Speaker 13: every single person in this world makes mistakes. Herd has
39:40
Speaker 13: made a mistake with others. Now other people say no,
39:45
Speaker 13: you can live in hell for the rest of your
39:46
Speaker 13: life or do something about it. Have some redemption. Tell
39:52
Speaker 13: you what if he does come back and they win
39:54
Speaker 13: a flag, which is a long shot, she'll be on Netflix.
39:58
Speaker 2: We all love a Messaiah complex. We all love them
40:01
Speaker 2: Asida to come back. I mean, we've all tried it,
40:03
Speaker 2: we've all thought about it, and you know we love it.
40:06
Speaker 2: As you say, we love a fairy fairy tale, don't
40:09
Speaker 2: We got on your Rubbo. I'll see you soon, cooked
40:11
Speaker 2: you soon. That's Mark Robinson and I'll be doing Chris
40:14
Speaker 2: Kenny Show next week, so I'll see Mark then coming
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Speaker 2: up after the break the panel, We're going to go
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Speaker 2: straight to them now. Indeed, The Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair
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Speaker 2: and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios. Mark, the first
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Speaker 2: lot of Labor's budget bills have been introduced. The whole
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Speaker 2: thing has gone down like a lead balloon. How are
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Speaker 2: we portraying that in our caricature this week?
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Speaker 1: Mate?
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Speaker 5: In no episode this week. I'm spilling though, because I'm
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Speaker 5: I'm absolutely loving it. I don't know if it's just
40:46
Speaker 5: the shouting freud that I've got for Just watch. It's
40:50
Speaker 5: just own goals after own goals, and you can see
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Speaker 5: the way they entered this whole thing with just this
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Speaker 5: smug look on their face. They thought they were going
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Speaker 5: to get away with it. But people haven't they just
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Speaker 5: haven't bought it. They're seen that this is clearly a
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Speaker 5: big tax grab. They're not believing any of the lies,
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Speaker 5: and they can just see that these people thought they
41:08
Speaker 5: were stupid.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome, It's so good.
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Speaker 5: I can't wait for them to introduce this legislation, for
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Speaker 5: it to get debated, because it just keeps revealing more
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Speaker 5: and more and more of their scam.
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Speaker 2: Tim I made the point at the start of the program.
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Speaker 2: I look at Jim Chalmers, I look at Anthony ALBERNIESI,
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Speaker 2: and when they start talking about, you know, trusts and
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Speaker 2: how they work, and then I look at at people
41:31
Speaker 2: who actually know what a trust is, they seem to
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Speaker 2: not have a clue about what they're actually changing at all.
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Speaker 15: This is exactly right. Price the bubble is real, you
41:43
Speaker 15: know what we're seeing here. And as Mark says, these
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Speaker 15: guys thought that they'd hit a home run. They thought
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Speaker 15: that they'd belt it out of the park. And there
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Speaker 15: they're shocked that everyone's pointing at them and laughing and
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Speaker 15: making fun of them. Everyone is not laughing a lot
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Speaker 15: of us, because you know, we're taking a bit of
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Speaker 15: a financial hit, some of us in the non bubble world.
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Speaker 15: But they seriously thought that this was going to play well.
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Speaker 15: After all the lies, all the evasions, all the trickery,
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Speaker 15: they thought they were going to get away with it,
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Speaker 15: and here comes reality.
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Speaker 1: Guys. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, I drove up from home today and I listened
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Speaker 2: on to Sky on the radio and I was listening
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Speaker 2: to the Press Club with Claire O'Neil, and she's out
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Speaker 2: there trying to sell the effect they're going to build
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Speaker 2: all these houses and it's going to be wonderful, and
42:28
Speaker 2: negative gearing was destroying the housing market. You then have
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Speaker 2: the Westpac Bank comes out late today and says, oh,
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Speaker 2: it's going to create twenty percent less investment in housing.
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Speaker 2: Have I listen to clar O'Neil here and see what
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Speaker 2: whether you think that she knows what she's talking about.
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Speaker 16: Let me be clear about where labor stands. There is
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Speaker 16: no greater aspiration than owning a home of your own.
42:52
Speaker 16: Picture a young first home buyer turning up to an
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Speaker 16: option after more than a decade of saving for a deposit.
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Speaker 16: Standing next to them is an investor on exactly the
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Speaker 16: same income bill bidding for exactly the same home.
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Speaker 8: The negative gear.
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Speaker 16: And concessions alone can give that investor one hundred thousand
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Speaker 16: dollars head start over the first time buyer from where
43:17
Speaker 16: they can bid mark.
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Speaker 1: What does she think is going to happen to the
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Speaker 1: rental market.
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Speaker 5: She just described the market by the way she's This
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Speaker 5: is what's so brilliant about.
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Speaker 1: It, though, Steve, is.
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Speaker 5: When you've got salesman like Claire O'Neill and Chris Bowen
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Speaker 5: going out there and pitching the net zero measures that
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Speaker 5: they clearly have no idea. They have no idea, They
43:41
Speaker 5: have no idea, And when salesman like that, you just
43:43
Speaker 5: know you're getting fleeced. Eventually the scam gets revealed. It's
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Speaker 5: actually kind of beautiful, Like I can be really angry
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Speaker 5: about it, but it's actually kind of great because they're
43:52
Speaker 5: just revealing it for themselves.
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Speaker 1: Teem.
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Speaker 2: What really annoys me about this is I had my mother,
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Speaker 2: my ninety one year old mother, in the car on
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Speaker 2: that trip, and I started to talk to her about
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Speaker 2: what her and her husband did back in the fifties.
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Speaker 2: Clara o Nils make it sound like, oh, it was easy.
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Speaker 2: People gave your houses for nothing and you just moved
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Speaker 2: in and then you made a lot of money selling it.
44:13
Speaker 2: I mean they worked two jobs and moved. They moved
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Speaker 2: so far out of Adelaide. I felt like I was
44:18
Speaker 2: living in a country town. They're in some housing a
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Speaker 2: state up in the hill, with you know, paddocks behind us.
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Speaker 2: For God's sake, these people don't understand history.
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Speaker 15: A countrytown as a person of Adelaide. But I'll let
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Speaker 15: that one go, Steve. But come on, what's fascinating to
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Speaker 15: me is that, as Mark said, she's talking about the market,
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Speaker 15: and she's not aware that she's to about the market.
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Speaker 15: If she added supply to her little equation there where
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Speaker 15: you've got two potential buyers and both both bidding enormously
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Speaker 15: inflated prices for the same property. You know what changes
44:53
Speaker 15: that whole equation is if you allow people to build
44:55
Speaker 15: more houses, if you just deregulate, if you get rid
44:58
Speaker 15: of all of the rules imposed by labor and labor
45:02
Speaker 15: like governments, then you add supply and suddenly everybody could
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Speaker 15: afford houses. It's kind of like a win win when
45:09
Speaker 15: you just let people do stuff, and these guys won't
45:12
Speaker 15: let you do stuff.
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Speaker 2: So Tim, your long lost brother Tony Blair, he's turned
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Speaker 2: up at number ten. And to old kids, Darman, listen,
45:19
Speaker 2: you've got to dump net zero. Can you you've got
45:22
Speaker 2: contact with the Blair families around the world, Can you
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Speaker 2: ring him up and get him over here and send
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Speaker 2: him to Chris Bowen's office.
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Speaker 1: For God's sake? This is incredible, isn't it.
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Speaker 15: What we've got now is a great shift in policy
45:36
Speaker 15: on everything from gender to net zero. And if the
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Speaker 15: Liberals and the Coalition had held their nerve on this
45:42
Speaker 15: five ten years ago, and if they hadn't gone all
45:45
Speaker 15: turnbull wimpy, and if they had actually dug their heels
45:48
Speaker 15: and it said no reality exists, they would now be
45:51
Speaker 15: reaping the reward. They would now be getting all of
45:54
Speaker 15: the popular support that is instead going to one nation
45:56
Speaker 15: because one nation stuck to their guns and they said
45:59
Speaker 15: all of this zero stuff is going to kill us.
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Speaker 15: And in the meantime, the Libs and the Coldition went
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Speaker 15: along with it. And now we're seeing everything's turning. We're
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Speaker 15: seeing people like Tony Blair realizing that there's a way
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Speaker 15: ahead here that doesn't involve sacrificing your economy.
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Speaker 1: Mark.
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Speaker 2: I know you've written down today's date in your diary,
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Speaker 2: because it's twelve months ago today to the very day
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Speaker 2: that Victorian Premier Je Cindra Allen took the Braid move
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Speaker 2: of banning the sale of machetes, putting bins outside police
46:30
Speaker 2: stations with cameras trained on them so that fourteen year
46:33
Speaker 2: olds can turn up and throw their bladed weapon in there.
46:37
Speaker 2: It hasn't worked. Four people have since died. We've got
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Speaker 2: machete attacks every second day, including one yesterday.
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Speaker 1: It didn't work, just Center, it did not Mate, And
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing now.
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Speaker 5: What they're going to have to do is they're we're
46:53
Speaker 5: going to have to reverse the whole strategy. Instead of
46:55
Speaker 5: getting rid of all the machetes, they're going to start
46:57
Speaker 5: mandating them, so everyone.
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Speaker 1: In the state's going to have to have them. That's
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Speaker 1: the only way we're going to get through it. Now.
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Speaker 5: My little girl, she just turned twelve months old, and
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Speaker 5: everyone asked me, what do I get her? Babies first machete? Please,
47:09
Speaker 5: I need to look after her, Please get her safe,
47:10
Speaker 5: lest saving up. We're getting a nice machete for her.
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Speaker 5: It's going to be very exciting. It's the only way
47:14
Speaker 5: to stay safe from Josy.
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Speaker 2: Just be careful because there's an election coming up. She
47:18
Speaker 2: might think that's not a bad election promise. Tim I
47:22
Speaker 2: don't want to do this to you, But I don't
47:24
Speaker 2: want to do this to you, but.
47:25
Speaker 1: I have to.
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, our old mates, Kenny and You and Mark
47:30
Speaker 2: have shown this footage over and over and over again.
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Speaker 2: Here's Joe at the debate with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 10: The total initiative relative to what we're going to do
47:42
Speaker 10: with more border patrol and more.
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Speaker 4: Officers, President Trump, I really don't know what he said
47:48
Speaker 4: at the end of this sent I don't think he
47:50
Speaker 4: knows what he said either.
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Speaker 2: Tim Jill Biden's coming out and said, I thought he
47:56
Speaker 2: was having a stroke. Why didn't you jump up and say,
47:58
Speaker 2: get an ambulance, my husband's having a stroke.
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Speaker 15: You'd assumed she might have had a bit of contact
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Speaker 15: with Joe during the previous three or four years, at
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Speaker 15: which point most of us, you know, who don't share
48:11
Speaker 15: our house with him, let alone the White House, we
48:13
Speaker 15: were kind of aware that he was, you know, Age
48:17
Speaker 15: was kicking in with Joe and wasn't one hundred percent there.
48:20
Speaker 15: But it's incredible the way that all of the Democrats
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Speaker 15: supporters and the anty Trumpers, they totally ignored this fellow
48:30
Speaker 15: literally falling down as we're seeing here, we go down
48:32
Speaker 15: and banged down again one more time moment, and there
48:36
Speaker 15: everyone ignored that until he made a clan of himself
48:39
Speaker 15: doing that debate, at which point the they're all like, oh,
48:42
Speaker 15: we had no idea, and there he goes one more
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Speaker 15: time down. It was an incredible act of wilful denial,
48:48
Speaker 15: and it lasted right up until the worst debate in
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Speaker 15: Democrat Party history in the US.
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Speaker 1: Mark.
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Speaker 2: You'd think she would, so excuse me, can we stop
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Speaker 2: my husband's having a strong simple?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be the normal human reaction. Yeah, if
49:04
Speaker 1: you would. But no, no, that's not what she did.
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Speaker 1: She's not a real doctor, Steve. That's the thing.
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Speaker 5: She's not actually a real doctor. She yeah, puts your
49:12
Speaker 5: finger articular. She might get pre selected for labor with
49:14
Speaker 5: an ability to lie like that.
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Speaker 2: Like you go next week, sim and Mark looking after
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Speaker 2: us coming up after the break, the Great Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back to see you tomorrow night