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Inside the Order of the Eastern Star | With Jacqueline of Universe Unveiled · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: Something's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 4: I think, what.
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  Speaker 3: I feel?
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  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the occult rejects. Today, we got a
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  Speaker 5: guest whose work of many of you probably already know
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  Speaker 5: from the universe on Beil Podcast in the Institute for
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  Speaker 5: Natural Philosophy. If you spend any time exploring ancient civilizations,
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  Speaker 5: forgotten history, symbolism, archaeology, mythology, or the questions that said
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  Speaker 5: just outside the mainstream, there's a good chance you've come
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  Speaker 5: across her work or the show. Tonight, we're taking a
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  Speaker 5: slightly different path. Instead of talking about lost civilizations or
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  Speaker 5: ancient mysteries, we're diving into a modern fraternal organization that's
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  Speaker 5: generated his own share of fascination, speculation, and misunderstanding the
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  Speaker 5: Order of the Eastern Star. Unlike most discussions you'll find online, tonight,
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  Speaker 5: we're talking with somebody who's actually a member, So rather
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  Speaker 5: than relying on rumor or conspiracy, we're going straight to
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  Speaker 5: the source to understand the history, symbolism, purpose, and personal
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  Speaker 5: experience of the Order. But before we introduced Jacqueline, let
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  Speaker 5: me introduce my man, Jules.
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  Speaker 3: What is going on? Jules? How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 4: What is going on everybody. I hope everyone had a
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  Speaker 4: great week. I'm gonna have an even better weekend. It
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  Speaker 4: is I Jules Julian, the Apostate, the Handsome Higher, the
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  Speaker 4: Mississippi Mystic. And speaking of Mississippi, it's something that I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to bring up, the Jacqueline. I'm sure you're familiar,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure this order did originate about thirty
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  Speaker 4: minutes south of me.
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  Speaker 6: If I'm correct.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a much more ancient origin to it
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  Speaker 4: that I'm not aware, but from when I looked it up,
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  Speaker 4: it had something about Richland, Mississippi or something.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, ye yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So very uh interested to get into that, but very
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  Speaker 4: happy to meet you as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 6: It's good to see Jacqueline.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, guys, you can find me over on Patreon.
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  Speaker 4: We're doing a lot of Patreon stuff right now.
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  Speaker 6: I'm doing some kind of solo streams here and there.
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  Speaker 4: But besides Gods of the Morning, Wood and a cult cinema.
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  Speaker 4: You know you're you're not going to see much of me,
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  Speaker 4: especially with this damn heat. Uh but uh yeah, besides that,
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  Speaker 4: go follow me on Twitter x at Gray Pilled with
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  Speaker 4: three d's and uh yeah, Nick, thanks again for inviting me.
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  Speaker 4: Happy to be here tonight. It's been a minute. I
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  Speaker 4: think last episode was the Divine Feminine episode and I've
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  Speaker 4: had Jin on my show. Me and my wife had
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  Speaker 4: Jin on and it was a banger of an episode. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: thank you again, Jen for coming and joining us. So
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  Speaker 4: y'all go check that out if you haven't as well.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, super stoked to be here tonight with you guys.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, thank you for making it Jewels, it's
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  Speaker 5: been a minute. I was glad to glad to hang
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  Speaker 5: out with you tonight. And finally, Jacqueline, what is going on? Jacqueline? Please,
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  Speaker 5: for people who may not remember who you are for
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  Speaker 5: the new listeners, let people know what's up with you
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  Speaker 5: and everything you're involved with.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I am Jacqueline, co host of Universe Unveiled with
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  Speaker 1: my girl Dolly, otherwise known as at Sahara Cosmos.
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  Speaker 6: Shout out Sarah, Shout.
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  Speaker 1: Out to Sarah. Yeah, that's what I do. I'm a photographer,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an anthropology student, and I am also the director
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  Speaker 1: of Cultural Preservation at the Institute for Natural Philosophy. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's all the places.
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  Speaker 5: I am if you don't mind me asking, what does
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  Speaker 5: that title actually mean?
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  Speaker 3: At that place? What was that the thing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm the director of cultural preservation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: It means I preserve culture. Okay, so yeah, so you know, artifacts, sites, written, spoken,
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  Speaker 1: anything that needs preserving. That's kind of that's what I do.
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  Speaker 5: I shoure nobody forgets about Kwansa.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, that's the top of the list.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha listen.
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  Speaker 2: Uh that was a fun up show, all right, So yeah, yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: I figured I was in good company.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, uh, I did what before we get into
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  Speaker 3: the Eastern Star?
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  Speaker 5: Obviously I put that up in the thumb now and
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  Speaker 5: that will be you know, the major discussion. But uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, for people who don't know who you are,
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  Speaker 5: or maybe even some of the people who know that
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  Speaker 5: you have the show and that uh that you do
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  Speaker 5: it with Sarah, I don't know if you've been on
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  Speaker 5: have you ever been on by yourself yet?
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  Speaker 3: Or no?
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  Speaker 1: On your show?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just so.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe one time, like a long time ago, not by myself.
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  Speaker 3: But like yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of wanted to give your own chance to
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  Speaker 5: let people know a little bit about who you are,
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  Speaker 5: what you're like. You know what you're into, how you
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  Speaker 5: even got involved with the natural? You know all that stuff,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and I guess you know a little bit
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  Speaker 5: about uh, you know the podcast and everything.
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  Speaker 1: You know so well my story with the Institute for
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  Speaker 1: National Philosophy is what about like you're's not a year
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  Speaker 1: and a half.
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  Speaker 3: I remember, I think me and you had met at
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  Speaker 3: one point too.
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  Speaker 5: Probably was it you that I was talking to about
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  Speaker 5: a website one time that we're going to try to I.
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  Speaker 6: Think make I think you're right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I me and you were talking in d
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  Speaker 5: MS before we even really knew who the hell.
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  Speaker 3: We were each other were. That was so funny. But
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  Speaker 3: you listened to the show. I remember you told me
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  Speaker 3: that you're like, I do listen to the podcast. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, listen, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: That's been a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Before we knew each other, before I was part of
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  Speaker 1: the Institute, before any of that popped off, before I
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  Speaker 1: had a podcast, I'd be running on the treadmill at
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  Speaker 1: five thirty in the morning listening to check.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. So whatever y'all were up to the.
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  Speaker 1: Night before, I was listening to in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: Cool cool, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess I got involved with the institute
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  Speaker 1: like push on a year about a year now, and
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  Speaker 1: that's through our mutual friend Dave at Dave's Multiverse. He
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  Speaker 1: had run into Ricardo via podcasting and just being online
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  Speaker 1: and in the community, and he thought, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: this is a good fit. Like, my friend Jacqueline is
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  Speaker 1: into all this stuff and she's you know, she's an
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  Speaker 1: anthropology student. She's got a lot going on, but I
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  Speaker 1: think that she's got something that you know, she might
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  Speaker 1: want to give up some more of her time to
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  Speaker 1: another cause. So yeah, he hooked me up with Ricardo
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, hit the ground running and that's it. And
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  Speaker 1: then shortly after that, I got the best gift of
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  Speaker 1: my life, which was my Dolly Sarah. And Ricardo said,
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  Speaker 1: I have a brilliant idea. Let's get two chicks doing
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  Speaker 1: a podcast about all things ancient SIF. And we just
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  Speaker 1: went there. Man, you know how it goes.
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  Speaker 3: I remember him telling me the idea.
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  Speaker 5: Actual, yes, that's what I'm saying, Like I remember before
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  Speaker 5: I think the podcast was really a thing, Like I
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  Speaker 5: knew the idea well.
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  Speaker 3: He told me about the idea.
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  Speaker 5: And I think I had already spoke to you when
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  Speaker 5: we were you were doing something else at the institute.
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  Speaker 1: So when you on board with the institute, you have
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  Speaker 1: an interview with Ricardo. Right, So regardless of whatever else
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  Speaker 1: happens to get you in there, you still have a
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  Speaker 1: sit down chat with Ricardo so he can we call
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  Speaker 1: him the sorting hat, so that he can kind of
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  Speaker 1: place people where he thinks that they'll be.
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  Speaker 3: The strongest, you have, more effective you.
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  Speaker 1: Of course you know what I mean. And so I
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  Speaker 1: have this awesome conversation with him, and I'm pretty pumps
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, you know, I'm like taking notes
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  Speaker 1: like such a keener the way I am. And at
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  Speaker 1: the end he's like almost like a disclaimer. At the end,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I also have this idea about a
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  Speaker 1: podcast with girls and you'll meet Sarah and I'll send
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  Speaker 1: you her email. I'll get her to reach out to you.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about that? I was like what,
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it just kind of happened.
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  Speaker 3: I can kind of see however, would do that all that?
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  Speaker 1: I could see that right, just drop it on?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know he's really good at He's
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  Speaker 5: really good at like doing that.
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  Speaker 6: And so did y'all hit it off? Like right away?
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  Speaker 4: Is there like adad cop kind of going on.
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  Speaker 1: You have no idea. Like Sarah's like the finest individual
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  Speaker 1: I have ever met. He's a solid, solid, solid person. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd say we have like very similar we have very
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  Speaker 1: similar everything, but we're so different in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ways that it's just so complimentary, like where I'm one way,
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  Speaker 1: she's another, but we're the same. Do you know what?
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  Speaker 1: You catch what I'm saying, Like I don't have to
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  Speaker 1: explain my jokes to her. Okay, this is a friend
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  Speaker 1: for life. So like we laughed the same stupid ship
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  Speaker 1: and we get along like we're like telepathic. She sends
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  Speaker 1: me a mass basically yeah, like it was a good match.
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  Speaker 1: Ricardo's a good sorting hat.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so shout out, yeah, shout out.
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  Speaker 4: Uh we love Ricardo's in a minute since I've seen them,
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  Speaker 4: but uh yeah out Ricardo.
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  Speaker 6: He's a good guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get Pagan with this flip flop.
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  Speaker 7: See girl, she's she's just funny.
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  Speaker 5: When I was I was being a jerk earlier she
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  Speaker 5: had mentioned something I was not gonna You don't say
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  Speaker 5: the name or anything about the guess that you have
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  Speaker 5: dropping Wednesday. Oh she about the guests you have dropping
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  Speaker 5: or whatever. I was like, I was like, what day
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  Speaker 5: do you guys drop your show and she's like Wednesday,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, I got him coming on
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  Speaker 5: live Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, damn you, Nicholas and sends the flip flop.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, you are funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah all good man, No, no.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 5: I just happened to be timing. And because I go
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  Speaker 5: live more than you. That's the only reason why you went.
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  Speaker 5: If you went live, it would have been done and
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  Speaker 5: over with already.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We just do our lives every every Sunday, we
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  Speaker 1: do the Sweet Sunday News Sweet Sunday News Service, right,
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: so we go live for like an hour, hour and
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: a half if we got a lot to say, and yeah,
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: present we try to cover new upcoming information in the archaeology, science, medicine, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: whatever's cool, whatever's going. So we find the research papers
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  Speaker 1: and we write like a little spiel. We each say
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  Speaker 1: a news story. They're usually complementary and pretty true to
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  Speaker 1: our personalities. And then after that we do something that
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: we call it the tide check. So something controversial that
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  Speaker 1: has dropped online, usually on X or like something big
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  Speaker 1: in the socials that people are up in arms about
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  Speaker 1: and we present it as this side, that side, and
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  Speaker 1: our hot take. So yeah, it's pretty fun.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good way to think.
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  Speaker 5: You mentioned anthropology before, right, mm hmmm. Is that what
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  Speaker 5: kind of like got you into this stuff in a sense?
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  Speaker 1: Also, I mean it's all kind of like it all
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  Speaker 1: just came together the way I came together. But I
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  Speaker 1: used to be a nurse. I was a nurse for
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  Speaker 1: twelve years. Palliation nurse got really burnt out, COVID came,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like see you later, you know, and then I
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  Speaker 1: just kind of didn't really do anything for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years. And then I'm not really the type of
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  Speaker 1: person to do nothing, so I kept myself busy. I
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  Speaker 1: opened a couple of businesses and then got sick of
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  Speaker 1: that and I thought, you know what, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: back to school and I'm gonna take like the shit
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  Speaker 1: that I actually care about, the stuff that I read
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  Speaker 1: about and write about in my spare time, stuff that
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  Speaker 1: I watch, things that I'm into. So yeah, that's how
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  Speaker 1: I ended up back in school to be an anthropology major.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: The reason why I asked that is that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just go with it to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: This is how that's how that happened to me.
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  Speaker 4: My first year when I went to the University of
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  Speaker 4: Southern Mississippi, didn't learn too much.
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  Speaker 6: I got more trouble, uh than you know, I learned anything.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, and if I wish, I would have paid attention,
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  Speaker 4: because you know now that I'm learning more about the
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  Speaker 4: ancient you know, the ancient past, sure sure better hidden
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  Speaker 4: from us and aren't really put out there on the
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  Speaker 4: main stage for us to see or you know. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's something that it is a subject that's
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  Speaker 4: pretty important and that people should see.
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  Speaker 1: I don't do anything like like super straightforward. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to school to be an anthropologist so that
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  Speaker 1: I can be like a professor write papers or get
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  Speaker 1: like Pats on the back, going to school to get
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  Speaker 1: an anthropology degree so that people who have degrees who
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  Speaker 1: write about some bullshit can't say to me, I know
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  Speaker 1: better because I have a degree. So yeah, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: want to play that game, then I'll play that game.
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  Speaker 4: Especially this day and age, you have every every other
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  Speaker 4: person and their mother making tiktoks thinking that they're the
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  Speaker 4: next grade.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeaheso terroistist or conspiracy theorists, whatever is on the
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  Speaker 4: mean for the day.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, the reason why I.
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  Speaker 5: The reason why I was asking you that before is uh,
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  Speaker 5: I was just trying to wonder, like what got you before,
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  Speaker 5: Like the National Institute for Natural I'm stuck before you
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  Speaker 5: got involved in that. I would assume there was like
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  Speaker 5: stuff that you were into that even got you, like
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  Speaker 5: to even find out who they were, Like, how did
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: you find your way I guess into the alternative new
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  Speaker 5: alternative news community.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was kind of there anyway, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like hanging out reading that shit, following that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: like following all the pseudo scientists and all the independent researchers,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I always had a finger on the
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  Speaker 1: pulse of everything to do with sort of like space exploration,
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: so like the whole UFO community, the like everything, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And yeah, and history in general
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  Speaker 1: has just been like my passion for like that's what
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  Speaker 1: I would read about in my spare time, do you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah, No, It's just it's interesting how
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  Speaker 5: I think it just seems like you kind of got
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  Speaker 5: into it differently, like some of the people would get
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  Speaker 5: into it from like some kind of conspiracy maybe show
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  Speaker 5: on YouTube or podcasts, but like you got into it
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  Speaker 5: because you were interested in that shit kind of yourself, right, sure.
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  Speaker 1: Like I kind of grew up in a household where
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  Speaker 1: I was allowed to read anything I wanted as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like always a bit of a nerd
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  Speaker 1: and always reading. My parents were prolific readers, so I
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  Speaker 1: would just you know, cherry pick off their shelves. And
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  Speaker 1: my parents were pretty liberal and they had a wide
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  Speaker 1: variety of interests and my dad was always into like
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  Speaker 1: anything supernatural or you know, shit like that, like oh,
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  Speaker 1: cult stuff. Like I read all that stuff when I
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: was like a preteen really because no one ever said
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  Speaker 1: to me, you know, put that book down. You shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be reading that. You're only ten or twelve, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So that's kind of like my wife, except her parents
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  Speaker 4: were throwing her books away and stuff, so it like
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  Speaker 4: got to just go and buy Like that's when I
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: got Moonchild and a few other books.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But my parents were just kind of I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it was because they were cool, but in
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  Speaker 1: our host like as long as you had good grades
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  Speaker 1: and you looked like you were doing your you know,
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  Speaker 1: what you were supposed to do. They just kind of
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  Speaker 1: left me alone. So yeah, I was probably reading a
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  Speaker 1: lot of shouldn't Truth Be Told?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really wish I I you know, I would
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  Speaker 4: have been more into conspiracy and paranormalt at a you know,
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  Speaker 4: at a much younger age. You know, I feel like
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  Speaker 4: I could have experienced more maybe yeah, definitely learn more,
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  Speaker 4: but definitely experience more.
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  Speaker 6: Probably too, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Know, but uh no, So I brought up earlier, uh,
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  Speaker 4: the Eastern Star starting in Richland, Mississippi in like nineteen
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  Speaker 4: fifty two or something.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So it was it was just kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of uh very because nothing comes out of land, so right,
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  Speaker 4: I got, you understand.
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  Speaker 3: Trying to give him credit for something, right, you know, So.
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  Speaker 1: Nineteen fifty two is going to be kind of like
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  Speaker 1: as far as the Eastern stargoes, you're looking, that's a
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  Speaker 1: like when there was peak membership. So we're looking at
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  Speaker 1: mid century, like nineteen fifty, nineteen sixteen, nineteen seventy, in
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  Speaker 1: and around that period is when they had their peak membership.
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  Speaker 1: So think like post war, right, like when all the
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  Speaker 1: people had everything they were living in their houses, and
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  Speaker 1: they had two and a half kids in a picket fence,
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  Speaker 1: and they needed social clubs and places to hang out.
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  Speaker 1: And all the husbands were going off and getting you know,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: going to hang out at the Mason lodge right right,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: And so there was probably a lot of women who
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: either wanted to spy on that or be a part
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: of that, or you know, wanted to hang out with
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: their husbands in some way. So during the mid century
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: is when there was like a peak membership of the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Order of the Eastern Star, which is which is a
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: fraternity that admits both men and women. But you have
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to be associated with a master Mason. Okay, yeah, so
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the original Yeah, in order to get in you have
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to be similar I think Nick and I talked about this,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: yeah before, about the OTO. So it's very it's almost
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: exactly the same for the or oh yes, as it
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: is for the Mason. So you have to be you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: eighteen years old, you have to be free born. You know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: it's weird wording to me, but and you but as
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: a woman who joins the Order of the Eastern Star,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: you have to also be related to a Master Mason.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So and that has changed over time. What being related
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to a master Mason actually means be the daughter of be,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the wife of be, the sister of and then down
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the line, as I think probably as membership fell off,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: they changed it to extended family. So sister in law,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I had to make that quota.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to get that donation money too?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Or that what is that? Feet? I forgot it? Dudes,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: they want to get for sure?
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: You want those dudes? Yeah, So Jules, just to clarify
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the founding, like the first conception of oh yes was
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in like eighteen fifty and then the very first Yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and the very first Grand Chapter I actually wrote it
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: down so because I knew someone would ask me, and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, it's been a hot minute
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and I didn't know this off my heart anymore. And
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: nobody reads that part of the book anyway. But the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: first general Grand Chapter was formed on November sixteenth, eighteen
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: seventy six, in Indianapolis, and then the headquarters were in Washington,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: d C. Yeah, of course they were in Washington, DC.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: So what I guess what early your mystery school did
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: this kind of form out of? Was it free masonry
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: just kind of like for women, or or did it
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: come from like a an earlier like kind of cult
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: devisis maybe or something happened to do.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good question because it was formulated by doctor
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Rob Morris, who was a master Mason, right, so he
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: modeled it completely on masonry, as like adjacent to masonry,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: like kind of like I hate to say it this
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: way because I know that some people will be like, no,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: that that's not true. They don't want to admit. But
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: at the time that it was formed, it was like
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a place to put your wife so that she knew
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: how to act, right, Like it's this club because all
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the guys are at the Mason's Club or at the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Mason's lodge, and you know, somewhere maybe.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: Get some kind of esoteric knowledges so.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: She could get learned on how to be a good wife.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And like, first of all, the Eastern Star is based
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: on Bible teachings, right, so all of the stories that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they like. For instance, you know in the Masons, they
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: have their degrees. You go through the degrees and each
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: degree is associated with a lesson that is portrayed by
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: telling a story in the ritual, right, And then they
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: build upon each other, and their kind of moniker is
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that they like to make good men better by teaching
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: them these moral stories and bringing them through the degrees.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: So by the time you reach your thirty third degree,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you're an upright member of society and contribute in all
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: these different ways, and you have all this foundational knowledge
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that makes you better than some people. I don't know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, yeah, when I first started doing podcasting
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: and talking about conspiracies and like some of these mystery
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: schools and like a lot of things I didn't understand
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: and how I do now, you know.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: It's uh, it's funny.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: You think it's all kind of hidden for you know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: some kind of malicious purpose. But then it's like, well,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know a lot of you know, I don't
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: want to say this, and like, forgive me if this
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: offend some people, but like some people are retarded, you
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: know a little bit. It's like, look, I don't I
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: don't think that this knowledge should be available to everybody
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: for those who seek it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely sure I got what you're saying, but.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I completely get it now why it was hidden.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: And it's kind of like in hindsight, it's just kind
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: of uh funny in retrospect, in retrospect, yeah, yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah. Like I like, obviously I am related
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to a master Mason in some context within my family,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: so I actually have a pretty good understanding of masonry
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: from the interior and knowing masons and people who are
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: involved in it. And I really, I have to be
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: honest with you, I get a big kick out of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of the things that people say about masonry.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I mean in some context, Like so if you're just
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: looking at the mainstream free Masons, so like the Scottish right,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the York right, these are the most popular types of mason. Like,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: it's not what people want it to be, you know
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: what I mean, it really isn't. I'm sure that if
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you go to the deeper end of the pool where
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: there's a lot less swimmers, there is a little you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: there's probably something there.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean. I hung out with my brother in law's.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Father at his at my sister in law's wedding when
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: whenever they got married. And he is a uh he's
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: retired now.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: He's very he's very elderly.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: He is a Rosicrucian, Okay, in a very high level.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: And uh, I talked to him for like thirty minutes.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't try to overdo it or like, but he he.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I think he loved it that I came and started
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: asking him a few things and I told him like
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I understand, you know, and then like all this stuff
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: and he uh, It's like, yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: These people aren't some kind of.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Like uh, you know, puppet master Like I'm sure, like
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: you know, in certain egelons of society there.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Are some people with some ill intentions for humanity.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: And but like you know, the modern may or like
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: the every day I guess you could say, like Masons,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: crucion Like, I don't know, they just seem like very enlightenment,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Self aware, et cetera. Yeah, so I kind of try
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to take people to the place where Okay, so you're
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: equating this group of people with being like, you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: doing this thing, But that happens when a bunch of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: people hang out somewhere anyway. I mean, they collaborate, they
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: do things together.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: I've even said before too, just my honest opinion, even
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: from being in the OTO, if there's anything that's probably
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: gonna be nefarious or weird, it's probably done outside of
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: the place by members somewhere else, right, it's not actually
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: inside like days. You have to understand too. I don't
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: know how you know this place was a masonry is.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: But to an extent, if you are open to the
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: public like the Oto, it's a public place. Like with
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Gnastic Mass on nights when it was open to the public,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: which was almost every week practically, and other things, anybody
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: could just walk the fucking right. So, I mean, you're
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: not gonna be doing all this crazy wild shit if
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: you know, Frank, Dick and Harry could just walk the fucking.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Conspiracy theories about the Gnostic Mass or in the last
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: two weeks online.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: It's just like, you know, people even know that it
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: ship's open to the public. Besides the titties coming out,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: I could pretty much tell you that's about it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Nicholas, you didn't tell me about some.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Titty Yeah, yeah, but I mean no, but like people
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: are gonna I'm sure there's stories of white stuff.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: And it's just like, yeah, just incorporating everything somebody's.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Ideology or what to uh you know this one.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's just I see now that it is
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: kind of some of the critique is silly.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: It is silly, and I think maybe you could say
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you could say, for instance, if a lodge, a Mason
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: lodge or a etern Star chapter are opened, right, there's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: no outsiders inside. They're not allowed to see the ritual,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: they're not allowed to hear, you know, what's going on.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And if they're going to be outsiders coming in, then
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: there's a specific way that the meeting is conducted. Like
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I've been to Mason meetings since sat in as a guest,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: but they don't do the actual ritual while you're sitting there,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they do sort of,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: but they have like a okay, there's people here ritual
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that they do, you know what I mean? Like the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: ritual light.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Here's something I even want to bring up.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: I've heard it's the same thing in Yeshiva classes with
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: the kabbala and stuff with some.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Likely likely because if you didn't know what the hell
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you were talking about and what was going on, you'd
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: be like, what in the where am I? What is happening?
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Or you may learn a little too much.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Right right, Like you have to earn that, you know
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: what I mean, You have to put the time in
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: like everybody else that's sitting there did.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, wisdom does not come, you know, for free right there.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Even if it's in time, just time spending time, you know.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, one thing I did kind of want to
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: throw in, and then unfortunately I do you want to
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: go a little bit backwards. I still have more stuff
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: to ask you about the show, unfortunately, but before that
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: and plus plus oh, I do want to make an
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: announcement for you too, And another reason why I'm trying
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: to push it off a little bit further.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I screwed up. Your boys screwed up. I actually double
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: booked the show.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Cult the Conspiracy was supposed to come on tonight and
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: we were supposed to do a roundtable. So odds are
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: they're probably gonna jump on with us in twenty minutes ago, Jacob,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: and so I want to try to keep a little
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: bit of the Eastern Star off a little bit so
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: you don't have to repeat yourself, because I'm sure they're
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: gonna have plenty of questions, because if I remember, it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: like you're gonna have if it's all of them. One
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: of them is a mystic, the other ones a Christian,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: and I think I don't know to deal with the
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: chick exactly, so's you won't have a lot of questions
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: from both sides. I don't want you have to repeat
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: yourself over and over again. And this will be good,
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: It'll be uh maybe they'll put it out on their
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: end and you know it helps you out, so sure.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: But one thing I do want to add.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: We were talking about people kind of like blowing things
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: up or making you know, things, blowing things out of
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: proportion and making them sound worse. And then like, first off,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I want to take a look at it's I mean,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: even with Freemasonry. If you want to look at how
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: long Freemasonry has been around, or the Eastern Star, then
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: the OTO is even less. That's like a sliver, and
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: how long Christianity has been around. So first off, I
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: just even put it into that context. These things have
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: not even been around as long as Christianity. Now I'm
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: not saying that I think you should do it because
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: for me, I just just after me doing the first
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: first initiation in the OTO, I would or rather you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: probably not I guess done it because you do have
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: to get naked. And I just think looking back at
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: it now, I just don't like the way it looks.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just very rare.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to get into the whole situation, but
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: just you know, there's certain aspects of it that does
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: make it look like you're being a fucking dog walked
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: around on the leash.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Some people so.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: But but what I want to get at now, that
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: is something that has started in the nineteen hundreds, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: and maybe over time for all we know.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: These things might change.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Because some people might say they're drastic, who knows, it
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: may not happen. But what I want to get at
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: is that if you wanted to when the fucking Catholic
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Church first started, you were getting naked, taking off your
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: clothes in front of everybody in public, probably fucking outside,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: then walking into the water, getting dunked, and then putting
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: your clothes back on. You got naked just to join
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: a fucking church.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: True, same shit, same shit. And now think about it,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: how has it changed over the years.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Sure, well we haven't had two thousand years with the
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: oto of Freemason yet.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Who knows what will happen?
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you know their practices won't change in
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: certain ways?
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: No?
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: But but you understand what I'm getting out, Like, oh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: you know that was back then when things were a
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: lot drastic.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe things are a little bit more drastic in
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: these sequences at the beginning.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I'm sure some you know, some certain rights and rituals change,
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: you know, they become more nuanced over time.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Or are about how about how about even think of this?
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Maybe those secret societies are actually mimicking that fucking ritual.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Cool did they ever think of fucking that shit?
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: Because that's exactly what's going on in the experience I had.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: It was a fucking baptism.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well there it is intended. The ritual is intended
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: to like, when you go in, you're not you. You
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: are not initiated, and when you come out, you are initiated,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm initiated to the Oees for life exactly. Adation
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: is in perpetuity, you know what I mean, And it's forever.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: In the OTO, you are not a full member until
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: you do the first degree. My nerval's at the beginning.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: So it even matches what makes you a fucking member?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, and the opposite. Actually, in the Oees,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: your initiation, you're taking through the five points of the star,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and all degrees are conferred at the same time, so
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: you're a full member after your initiation. It's a long.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Initiation because I just like, you know, I don't know.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I don't think people realize the history of certain
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: ship the things.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, and especially what's like fed to us, you know.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: And that's when you get into the conspiracy world.
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Like I started realizing, like, wait a minute, some of
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: these like red pill daddies, like og conspiracy guys who
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: knows like their information, they were getting their information from
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: a completely biased source as well. Yeah you know what
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, like it maybe they got it all wrong too,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: you know. So that's why I think it's it is
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: important to go back America.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: No message. I agree with Nick more Naked Catholics.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Well subliminal that you're gonna, you know, be be careful
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: what you wish for because tomorrow morning.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: Catholic show. I'm just kidding, not on my show.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you'll get naked zerah laugh practically, but he's.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: He's a heathen. But yeah, he is half naked. And
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: that's every show guy, that's that's the promise.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: On the Patreon so Zara laughed.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Guys, if y'all didn't know, And Nick, I'm just gonna
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: go off on this tangible and rat are departing from
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Gods of the Morning Wood and so it is gonna
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: be me and Zara laugh and Nick if he can
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: make it at times. But that's that's yeah, that is
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: what it is. So get ready, there's gonna be you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: a big shift coming.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's fine. Juels, Yeah, we're trying to waste
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: time anyway. But uh, I did want to ask when
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: it comes to the show Universe Unveiled, what is like
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: the mission behind the show.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: It's like the mission behind the.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Show just to talk to people, man like just to
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: talk to people in like open discourse with like I mean,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: with inquiry and just curiosity instead of like this is right,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: that's wrong. Right. So Sarah and I both have like
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: really we have diverse interests. Sarah, I mean, it's obvious,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: like she's she's into everything that like we both know
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: about each other's interests, but our focus is on different things.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Me.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I'm science, I'm the the research papers, the archaeology, the facts,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the science, you know what I mean, Like I'm into
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and Sarah is into things
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that you can't necessarily prove things that you can't necessarily
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: touch things that you can't necessarily see, right, So we
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: compliment each other quite well, and I find that it
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: has served us well talking to guests.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a good dynamic. Yeah, sure, you'll flow off.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Y'all flow off each other.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like or I can't speak, she can fill in
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the space, and vice versa. So the show is honestly
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: just about discovering the universe, like what's going on out there?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Because none of us, Sarah and I often will say,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: none of us has the answer, none of us knows
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the truth. We need everybody to put their input in
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: because that little piece that might actually open the gateway
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: for you could come from anywhere. But if you're not
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: willing to speak to people with an open mind, open
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: heart and have respect for you know, it's cool if
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you disagree, it's cool if you don't like what I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: have to say, it doesn't matter if you should just
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you know, we should be willing to speak with one another.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: So anyone who has a story to tell, that's what
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: we're there for. We're here to, you know, talk with people,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: hear what they are doing. What are you into, no
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: matter how crazy, no matter how nerdy, and straight. It
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So that's what we do.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen some of your like your little news
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: clips that you put out about what y'all would find
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: that week, Like have you ever found anything on the
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: like on the Pontic Step or like around the Baltic Sea,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: like you know, some ancient kind of European tribes.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, you're bringing it to my attention.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, I was going.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: To say, there's a lot of cool things that are
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: coming out of there that prove the existence of these
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: tribes for ten thousand years.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I tell everyone every Sunday some of your research papers.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: I want to it's a lot of what I'm getting
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: into on grave Pill now, Okay, yeah, practicing ancestral faith
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: kind of going back and reading all of you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: where this stuff came from originally as far as in
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: the North.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: So okay, I gotcha, I gotcha.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I I just didn't know if there
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: was any cool stuff or well, what's like the coolest
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: thing that you'll come across just on that's funny.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: That was my next question. I actually literally had type Honestly.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: That's like a tough question because like every week there's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: new shit coming out yeah, my big thing. My big
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: thing right now is archaeogenetics, which is basically just using
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: genetics to test old archaeological shit, like to put it,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you know, Layman's terms. So you know, instead of making
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: stuff up and saying, oh, we think these people were
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: from here, and this is what they were doing, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this is where they went, and this is who they
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: had sex with, and this is how you know what
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, we just made that shit up for so
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: many many years, like we did our best. We did
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: our best, but now we need to do our due
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: diligence and go back and test, you know, test the population.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I know some people are against that, but we're doing it.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: We're slowly doing it. Test artifacts, test sites like DNA
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of animals, DNA of you know, cave paintings. I just
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: did a really cool article on cave paintings. They used
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to like use earth pigments and like animal blood or
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: human blood or piss it in you know what I mean,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: to paint on the wall. So they're testing cave paintings
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to discover who put that painting there, instead of a
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: team of you know, nineteen fifties anthropologists archaeologists saying we
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: think it was these people because it sounded cool or
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: it fit the narrative. We're going back and we're doing
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: our testing.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: You're doing a lot on our caves recently, have noticed, yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Well a lot on everything. So my thing is, I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: want to go back and test everything that we can.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I want to fill in that human timeline, to find
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: out where we came from, who we mixed with. Not
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the story that sounded cool or fit the anthropological narrative,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: which was really really socially driven, you know what I mean,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: but to find out who we actually are and where
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: we came from. Because if you don't fucking know that,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: you don't know where you're going. That's what I say.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, most people think, you know, that are
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: at the six thousand years old and we all come
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: from this one place, even though the out of African
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: theory has been debunked, rightunked.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: Right right? Yeah?
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, they're they're finding ancient mummies in
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Egypt and stuff that have blonde hair, right, you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: and like all this, all all these things that we're
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: really not taught about. And so then when you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: you get further north into that region, I don't know's
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: it's just It's fascinating what's kept from us unless you know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: we go out and seek the truth, sure, actually seek it, right,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: because people don't like to be uncomfortable.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: And I talk about this a lot on my show.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: One of my one of my favorite things to do
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: is sometimes when I have free time, I go comb
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: old bookstores, like use bookstores, and I collect mid century
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: or you know, late eighteen hundreds to mid century. I
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: prefer there before nineteen fifty anthropological or ethnographic books, journals, books, whatever,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: because those people were actually telling the truth of what
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: they were finding and writing it down and saying, oh,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I you know, encountered this tribe and these are the
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: people that I found, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: but they're not allowed to write that ship anymore. They're
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: not allowed to write that down anymore. So, right, Yeah,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: we collecting all that old material, so you know, you
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: can't say it didn't happen. It did happen. Somebody can
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: wrote about it like seventy years ago.
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: You know, absolutely, what.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Is up, Raven.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: I'm so so so sorry about this whole screw up.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, can you guys hear me?
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, For some reason, it's like wanting to kick me
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: off of my microphone.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: So Jacob's logging.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: And streaming out is good like that. Sometimes they want
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: to like we just want to go through your webcam. Yeah,
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: it's like I've been using this mic the whole for
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: months and just for somebody's I just want to switch.
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: I'm like, only you stream with like three or four
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: people's side, right, we zoom zoom zoom everything.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we aside everything up to.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: We got Jacob.
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: Talk about it tomorrow morning.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know there he is.
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: Let me fix him up, dude, saying many talks to
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: you in a hot minute.
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: How you been You have been good, dude, been good.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: It's hot, it's hot, you know, so not haven't been
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: really podcasting too much as a blake, because you know,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: I'm out in the garage and it's so uh yeah.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Jacob, how about you?
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: So sticky.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: I'm good. I heard you, but for some reason you
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: weren't coming through my head set till just now.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I can't hear you on my headphones at all.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: I can hear your computer technical difficulties.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Guys, you're a mess, Raven. Maybe check the settings. Might
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: have headphones on your.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Headphones, Yeah, Raven, I was gonna say, if it's not
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: coming from me.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Because I hear all you guys just fine, it's only him.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Oh you know what, believing or not, you might want
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: to log out and come back in. Sometimes that that weird,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: that that will happen and people have to leave and
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: come back.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Not you, Jacob, probably you Raven.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: Okay, give me sorry about that, all right, so Jacob,
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: now we'll go back to you.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Then what is going on?
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: So wait, man, I am so so so so sorry
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: about all that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: No, no worries you.
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: I was because I knew we were a scheduled for
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: nine o'clock and I know you do roundtables, but dawned
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: on me. I'm like, hold on me, don't start his
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: roundtables at nine.
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: He starts to make eight.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Usually, oh it's not my time. Yeah that's right. I
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: would think, yeah, good you hear it worked?
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, but anyway, I see, yeah, dude, no big deal. Honestly,
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: we're just kind of bullshitting and doing some shit around
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: the house. Was like, oh, ship, yeah, let me uh,
• 42:50
  Speaker 10: let me check it out. I was like, hold on,
• 42:52
  Speaker 10: what are the chances he moved out? Went on YouTube
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: and I was like, oh, he's live right now.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: Oh fuck.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: So you know I did even think about you guys
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: not too long ago, and I was like, how aren't
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: I supposed to be having them all soon? And I'm
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: just like, so so much shit on my end with
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: just like doing things on my personal life and just
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: with the podcast, doing my own solo shit. It's so
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: time consuming. I could literally forget about shit like it's kidding.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: It's bad.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: I really apologize real quick. Let everybody know. I mean,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: you guys have been on the show before. I've been
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: on your show multiple times, and I've shared those I'm
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: sure everybody knows who you are. But for the new listeners,
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: tell everybody what's the deal with culture conspiracy?
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Please?
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: Oh fine, whoever, whoever? So we are the Cult of
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: Conspiracy podcast.
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: We cover pretty much any and all things conspiracy, everything
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: from you know, ancient history that isn't exactly what we
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: believe or what we thought we believed, to the you know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: debating everything from the flat earthers to the pseudo science
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: everything in between. But we're also bouncing back and forth
• 43:56
  Speaker 10: between current events and like some hot shit going on
• 43:58
  Speaker 10: in the geopolitical world and talking about that in conspiratorial ways,
• 44:02
  Speaker 10: while also talking on occasion about occult symbolism.
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: We're we're all over the place.
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: Crypto the Conspiracy probably has an episode about it, and
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: uh yeah, man, this is a pretty much the dream job.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: Honestly.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: You still have people, it wasn't there other people that
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: were also doing work for you as well.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: They would drop shows.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: On your affiliates.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, a nice nice that's pretty cool.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Wide range of everything that you can want.
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: Pretty much, it's a one stop shot everything.
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: We're dropping at least two, if not three episodes of
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: content for listeners.
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: And we have among our affiliates.
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: We have Josh Monday with the Christians.
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: We got Codex of Curiosity, Let's get Freaky.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Horrible Janet. We have Strange Grew. We have.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Nice Tim.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: He's a nice dude.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like trying to think of everybody.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Are newest, Yeah, yeah, I like that dude. He's a
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: nice guy.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: So pretty much we're any because we're only two people
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: and there's so much conspiratorial shit going on and to
• 45:10
  Speaker 10: discuss and talk about, and the way we see it,
• 45:12
  Speaker 10: we're giving them promotion for their show. They're helping us out.
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: It's a win win across the board. We believe firmly
• 45:19
  Speaker 10: that a rising tide raises all ships.
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: Certain people we have.
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: Learned in the podcast and game feel some type of
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: way about someone, like poaching listeners, and it's like the
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: cult of conspiracy has always and will always believe that
• 45:33
  Speaker 10: there's enough pie to go around.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: We're not about that.
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: So we're trying to bring podcasters up and also we
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: all help each other out and build this community that
• 45:42
  Speaker 10: we have made for ourselves, a true cult, if you will.
• 45:45
  Speaker 10: And it's a really good time.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: It's good. Yeah, No, I get it. No, it totally
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: makes sense.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure I'm not, you know, trying to like
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: whip my dick out or whatever. But I'm pretty sure
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: that idea I was doing prior to you guys, and
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: I get how it works and makes sense.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 45:59
  Speaker 10: You have psycled people in man as like co hosts
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: as well as like dropping the content. You You've been
• 46:05
  Speaker 10: at it for a good long while. Man, There's more
• 46:06
  Speaker 10: than one way to skin a cat.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, no, for sure, but having it multiple
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: people that definitely helps, like kind of like spread out.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: It's like a spider livent kind of in a sense.
• 46:14
  Speaker 10: Basically, yeah, anyway, I did cut in earlier to the
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: YouTube and Jacqueline, you are an anthropology.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: Major, I am.
• 46:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, oddly enough, ravenly also is awesome.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was.
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: Like, I think that's what I heard her say. So
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: that's pretty freaking cool. So so I won't graduate for
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: a few years. I take the online stream. I work
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: full time. I'm doing a lot of work with a
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: nonprofit institute. So if you've graduated, I look.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Forward to being in your two's at some.
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: Point, Yeah, raising kids and doing all that jazz while
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: I was going to school full time and stuff. So
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: I'm actually looking at changing fields and going from a master's.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Uh and then if f field and stuff.
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: I actually should have the master's but because of transferring schools,
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: they wouldn't accept my last like two classes. And they're like, well,
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: if you take five more of these electives, and I
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: was like, but I.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Haven't doing it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I have one hundred.
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: And eighty credits. I should have a master's degree like easily.
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: And it's like, okay, it's whatever. Would I have a
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: bachelor's in anthropology with a minor environmental sustainability?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Okay? Perfect, very good. I'd like, I will end up with,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: uh my master's in the cultural preservation. Oh nice, nice, Okay, yeah, okay.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: And I had the same problem. I went from a
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: nursing degree and they were like, well, you know, none
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: of them actually counts. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's fine.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I went from Midwiffree to to anthropology. Okay, you got it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, They're kind of like, we'll take some of your classes,
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: and it's like, come.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: On, they just straight up took none of my classes.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: They're like, that's a science degree. Like okay, cool, yeah.
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: Universion of Anthropology. You said cultural What.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Now cultural preservation?
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: So you'll be doing more archaeological dig sites and things
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: like that. No, no, no, that's like an artifact from
• 48:15
  Speaker 10: ancient culture.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: No, it's.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: Especially went on.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get a job with UNESCO or something
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: kind of.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Like explained before those different subtypes. There's so many.
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: Anthropology is an umbrella of so many different subcategories, and
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: so like how I went and did archaeology, I could
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: still go and do other aspects like cultural preservations. Is
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: if I went and worked for some of the plantations
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: and helped preserve the heritage of at least the information
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: in the culture that surrounded the slave trade and everything
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: like that and actually preserved the plantation and what actually
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: transpired there.
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: And things like that got you okay, And is that like.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Herd you into those little, little, little little niches.
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's so many, there's little issues and all this
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: giant umbrella of anthropology.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: There's so much.
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: So you could go on for days about how you
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: can fit in different subcategories and what different jobs you
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: can actually get into.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, it's pretty broadfield. Actually. People are like, oh,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: so you're an archaeologist, not a yeah, yeah, yeah, have
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: you been any Have you ever done any dig sites? No?
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: No, Honestly, it's very long and tedious.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: And sweaty and hot and dirty and yeah I've heard yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: which I'm down for. I could do that, but I
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: just don't feel like, you know whatever I mean with
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: that part.
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: It's just the tedious preservation of like trying to you
• 49:45
  Speaker 9: have to do everything by grids, but then there's little
• 49:47
  Speaker 9: grids inside the big grids, and then you have to
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: make sure that you don't ruin anything, and if you
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: find something, you have to like slowly go around it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: It's a whole thing. So kind of. You know what
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I did. I did entertain it for a second because
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty like nip a key about detail and I'm
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: a photographer, so I thought, Okay, that will work, you
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But yeah, and I want to
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: hang out in the office with books. Hey, I'm all
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: about the books.
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: Actually, my bookshelf is completely empty because we've actually got
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: a new space that we're moving to, but.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Normally it's full of books. I have like twelve bookshelves
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: in my house, so awesome.
• 50:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, we're going to break down my studio soon,
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: but you know, this is gonna be one of the
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: last things to go because the one of the best
• 50:32
  Speaker 10: parts about this job is my entire office can fit
• 50:35
  Speaker 10: into a backpack, you know what I mean. And we
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: just said this is gonna be the last thing to
• 50:38
  Speaker 10: get broke down when we move into the new studio space.
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: But yeah, Ravenlely usually has quite an extensive book collection
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: behind her at all time.
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: So I think most anthropologists too, to be honest with you, yeah,
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: I think we're like, it's your duty to collect books
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: for sure.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Just before you guys got here, I was talking about
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: how in my spare time I like to collect books,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: like we.
• 51:02
  Speaker 9: Even have a book We have like a subcategory within
• 51:04
  Speaker 9: our Patreon of just we call it the book nerds.
• 51:07
  Speaker 9: I made it because we all talk boss all the time.
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: So we have like all the chatting books and showing
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: off our book collection like a bunch of nerds that
• 51:14
  Speaker 9: we are.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm there for that.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: I like, we're a very eclectic group. I'll be honest
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: with you.
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: We have a we have a resident correspondent for just
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: about every sub bridde a person you could think. So, yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 10: we're we're eclectic like that. And that's one thing I
• 51:28
  Speaker 10: will say about the reading community, like actually those that
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: like the feel of a page between the fingers, like
• 51:33
  Speaker 10: the true reading community. Y'all come in all different subcategories.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: It's it's wild to me.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because none of us can be out here just
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: reading all the books, right, so we have to you
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: take you take these ones any cycle.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to use the well for my Saturday
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: morning show, I have to use the PDFs, but I
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: have the books.
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: That's the thing.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: A lot of the books on the wheel, you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: we spind the wheel, and yeah, they're right behind.
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: So sometimes I'll read from the book.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: But what do you mean you spend the wheel.
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: We have a wheel of names of books.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, on Gods of the Morning Wood, which used to
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: be esoteric book review.
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: It's a Patreon show.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: We stream it live and then like twenty four hours later,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: I take it down put it to the Patreon.
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: We have that.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: Then we have the Occult Cinema Show, which we have
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: another one soon.
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: Nick.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Hopefully we can get William Ramsey to sit down and
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: watch ninth Gate with us for now.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: That great, that'd be awesome. I love to have you
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: William with Arnold that movie.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I trying to think of which one it was.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: It was like both of those I've seen.
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: This is the movie that was filmed in the roths
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: Child mansion.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, so yeah.
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: We we basically have a wheel of books.
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Let's see, we have the edic mythologies adepts in the
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: West and esoteric traditions, The Wisdom of the Knowing Ones,
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: which is a gnostic book. I think, Prophecies of Paracelsus,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: the Nagamadi, while Sunga saga, epic of Gilgamesh, Pito, Sophia,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: the Orlinda poetic Eda the.
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: Eye of God. It's it's it's a hall treatise.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: The Witches, Hammer pros at the Darkening Age of Germania,
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: metacitys Box saga that Sarah lats.
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: Some white reading Lost.
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: Freemasonry, which is another Hall treaties.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: We started off doing mainly hall treaties and h let's
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: see Secret Destiny of America, Protocols of Zion, and then
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: uh the something Zarah laugh, added cal Eva Kyle Vala.
• 53:53
  Speaker 10: No, no, oh God, I'm about to say, dude, just
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: you know, your average Sunday morning.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: We have discussed obviously reading a lot of Haul you
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: know who is Yeah, maybe I think he's a Rosa Crucian,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: but you know, writes a lot on masonry and uh,
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Christian mysticism, Jewish mysticism. I mean, you know, so the
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: kabala is you know, you find it here and there.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: And then we had Jen come on shout out Jen again.
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: Guys.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: If y'all haven't seen that episode, go check it out.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: It was like the last grave Piled episode. Before that,
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: I think Crow seven seven seven came on. And then
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: I've done some like rant solo live streams, but uh.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: But yeah, man, so that's uh. I have some movie
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: wheels too.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: I have a David Lynch wheel and then just a
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: regular but yeah, for for the books, that's what we do.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: But that's that's my Saturday morning show.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: We do it, uh every Saturday morning Rumble YouTube and X.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: Promotion good time.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: I mean the uh Zara Lathe Eternal Subliminal Messenger and
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Season of the Rat who are both about they have
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: to take a leave uh from the show because they
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: have their own stuff they're working on.
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: And I, you know, I understand, I understand, but.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: You know, so I think I may have a couple,
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: you know, some some new blood coming on the show.
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: Keep posting, uh, you know so.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: But yeah, No, it's a fun show, and uh, it's
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: a way like I don't know, you get a bunch
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: of people that have a lot of different ideas to
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: come together and read one text and they all give
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: their certain interpretations of it. You can get a lot
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: of you know, it's a lot of thinking, but you
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: get a lot of good ideas.
• 55:34
  Speaker 9: That sounds really fun to be honest with you.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry to hijack the show, Nick, No, it's so good.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: It's so good.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Well I did have explain the wheel.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: It's a good idea.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: It's pretty cool.
• 55:52
  Speaker 11: It's a good way to like just randomly yeah, yeah, basically, so, uh,
• 56:02
  Speaker 11: I figured now because when I knew you guys were
• 56:04
  Speaker 11: coming on, I was really trying to push off the
• 56:06
  Speaker 11: whole topic of the show really.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: So now we can kind of get to it.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: And one thing I guess that we kind of, you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: skipped it a little bit because I think we're just
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: we kind of went off about something that Jules had
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: said about, you know, being in by Mississippi. But for
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: you guys, Jacqueline is a I guess an inactive member
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: of the Yes, uh, the Eastern Star, and you guys
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: mentioned about where the place was. But what I kind
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: of wanted to get into And this is perfect beause
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: it's pretty much where I would have wanted to start off.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: What got you even into it? Well, I mean, I'm
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: guessing I'm guessing you kind of would maybe teasing it
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: a little bit about saying that the only way you
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: can become a member is from a family member.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: So I'm assuming like, you know, so.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, my bad, my bad, I'm sorry.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: I opened up the cool did what happened?
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: That's our theme music.
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: That's awesome because I.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Had posted that we're here and they're all dropping it
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and I am so sorry.
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: That's how it is, not jumping.
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: So yeah, that's an excellent question, Nick, So order the
• 57:27
  Speaker 10: Eastern Star. Was this like a legacy thing through the family.
• 57:31
  Speaker 10: Was it something you sought out on your own for
• 57:33
  Speaker 10: curiosity's sake?
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Well, it kind of is a legacy thing in my family.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: If you're familiar with anyone who has that going on
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: in their family, you go to a graveyard, like all
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the women are buried with the Eastern Star on their gravestone.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: So I kind of grew up with that in the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: background of my life. All of the great grandmother, you know,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: great great grandmother going back to like the early nineteen
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: hundreds and just you know, late eighteen nineties all Eastern
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Star members, and then later in my life along with
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: like my great grandfather and a bunch of uncles were Masons.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: My spouse was a Mason, and he was very, very involved,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: and I just kind of was like, one day, all right,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I guess it's my turn, you know, like my grandmother's
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: like what are you doing, Like why aren't you going
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: to the Eastern Star. So yeah, that's how that happened.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: It was. It was one of those things that's probably
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: always gonna happen to me. It just I finally turned
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: my face to it, and there there I was.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I figured out, like not too long
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: ago that I'm pretty sure my wife's I think her
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: grandmother and then her great grandmother were both in the
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: Eastern Star.
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: And then my grandmother was actually in the Eastern Star.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: Well by by a way of it, it was some
• 58:56
  Speaker 6: girls group. Yeah, I can't remember what.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: It was, Rainbow Girls.
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: And Joe's my grandmother.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So those are the groups that they have for very
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: young girls. I honestly can't tell you. It's probably like
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: five or six, you know what I mean. And then
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: in the teenage age group they call them I think
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Job's Daughters. So if you're a member of one of
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: those as a young person, so if your dad's a
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: mason or some such.
• 59:22
  Speaker 12: Things, Job's Daughters, Joe or like Job's like, okay, the
• 59:30
  Speaker 12: ones that were all killed, gotcha, make sure I heard
• 59:35
  Speaker 12: it correctly.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, you heard it. So those people can kind
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: of join with or without a male mason in their family.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: So the first, the first rule of Eastern Star is
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: that a male master Mason has to be present in
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: order to conduct the meeting to open the chapter. So
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: it was always something that was meant to be like
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: adjacent to the Mason's so their wives, their daughters there,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: you know, keeping it in the family. Yeah. So like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the first I was telling jewels earlier. So the very
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: first Grand Chapter I had to write it down because
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that part of the book, but I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: knew somebody would ask me. The very first Grand or
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: General Grand Chapter formed on November sixteenth, eighteen seventy six,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. So when you're talking jewels, you're talking about
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: like all the women in your family and on your
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: in your wife's family. At the peak of its membership,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: just the General Grand Chapter, it was two point six
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: million members.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: Cool.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so and yeah, so that's mostly not just but
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: mostly in Canada and in the United States, predominantly in
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: the United States. So yeah, it was a thing, right.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: It was what people were doing post World War two.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 10: Everyone was what I dismissed in my computer glitch.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: When was that peak?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: The peak was, I want to say it was nineteen
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: sixty two in and around there. It yeah, post war right,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: when everyone's having kids and they're living suburbia and they're
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: doing the pick up fence.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: So there twenty year olds that were fighting in World
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 10: War two or now retirement age, and they want to
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 10: be together with their homies so to speak.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're trying to live the American dream and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: do all that thing. And you know social clubs, right,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: that's what Like there were tons of them popping off
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: at the same time, right, So yeah, this is just
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: another subsidiary. But in the beginning, it literally started I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: was telling the guys before y'all got here. In the beginning,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: it literally started as like a place to put Master
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Mason's wives in a social setting that was safe and.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: Like hang out and learn about right, you're right, your higher,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: yourself in and that's right.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: So all of the teachings are based on Biblical stories,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and it was like designed as a place that was
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: socially acceptable and not like, I don't know, dangerous for
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: women right at the times. So it was it was
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: meant this the stories that it teaches you and the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: degrees that are conferred on you are meant to teach
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: you how to be like a good person. Essentially all
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: based on Bible stories and mostly based on the way
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: that the Masons teaches men through the thirty three Degrees,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: but also completely different because Masons do not use the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Bible as a teaching point necessarily. In the Eastern Star,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: it is completely based on Bible stories.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 9: So what specific Bible stories they're like, they go on,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 9: I can.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: Tell you about women, write like about roots.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, so you're right, you're right. So the five point
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: at Star is the emblem because it's based on the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Bible stories of five women from the Bible, four of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: whom are probably familiar to you, one of whom they
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: made a name up for because the person that they
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: based it on didn't actually have their name mentioned in
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the Bible. And I can tell you though, so Ada, Ruth, Esther, Martha,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: and the last one is called Electa, but that was
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: made up. It's based on a woman from the Bible
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: who was never named.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 10: So okay, yeah, but a woman that is present in
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 10: the Bible. It might be a woman touched Jesus cloak.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 10: There's it's not like you know, what I'm saying is
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 10: never Okay, that's still basically gave this you will sure, yeah, yeah, okay,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 10: I gotcha.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I mean there there just wasn't a whole lot of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: chicks in the Bible, right, like named in the Bible specifically,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so what else? What else you want?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: What would the Eastern Star be that? I mean, would
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: that be that, I mean, that'd be.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: Venus, right, yes, right, yeah, so people would interpret it
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: as Lucifer and.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Then sure it's also underground, right.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, go there, we can go bumper sticks to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I live in Mississippi, and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, okay, you know, so you see a lot
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: of the bumper stickers.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: It's like, I don't even know if they know what
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: like that represents.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, it represents many things, but uh, you know,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: so what the intention of.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: Like when I inquired about that, you know, people.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: You know, during my time there, I most chapters, or
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: at least like regional grand chapters have a historian so
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: you can contact your historian. Masons use them as well
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: in their lodges that kind of like keep all the stories,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: keep all the null whatever. So I contacted the historian
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: asked them, like, well, it's with this inverted pentagram, Like
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: what's up with that? What can you tell me about it?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: In the reason why it's used in the Eastern Star
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I was told by said historian that the emblem predates
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: the association of the inverted pentagram with all the things
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: that's associated with modernly right, because it was what did
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I say, like eighteen fifty something that the Eastern Star
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: was conceptualized, so pretty much they use that because it
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: fits with the way the ritual is performed and having
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: the worthy Matron, who is the head of said chapter,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: sitting in the east. So that's what I was told,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: which makes sense. Which makes sense when you follow the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: ritual and you understand like what the star points actually
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: represent within the ritual, it makes sense. Yeah.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 10: I would assume that the Order of the Eastern Star
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: is set up at least similar to the Freemasons, being
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: that they have a I would I mean, I don't
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: want to use the term rank structure because at this
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 10: type of a level of a quote unquote nonprofit, they'll have,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 10: you know, their board of directors so to speak, and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 10: those chairs kind of change every few years, I would assume.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 10: But as far as at the local levels right for
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 10: you to personally be on your walk, I assume they
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 10: still use the same terminology like you're going to the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: east to the Enlightenment.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: All these things.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 10: So do they have thirty three levels to Eastern Star
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 10: or something adjacent.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: No, No, When you are initiated into the Eastern Star,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the initiation is quite long. Like I know, for for instance,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: like every single time you gain a degree in the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Masonic Orders, you have to go through that degree and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: perform the ritual in the Eastern Star. Your initiation is
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: all of that in one So the five star points,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: which are considered the degrees, are conferred on you at
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: one at one time at the very beginning, so you must. Yeah,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: so when you do your initiation, you walk through the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: star points and are taught those lessons, and then the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: idea is that as a new member, you will start
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hierarchy and work your way
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: through the working ritual chairs until you eventually reach the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: worthy matron chair, which is lead to the chapter. And
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: that's how they that's how they teach it to you
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: instead of where in the Masons, it's thirty three degrees
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: and you have to you know, you can continuously get
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: degrees in the Masons through different types of lodges.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: You go above the third you have to join a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: higher lodge, that's right.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can and you can do that. You can
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: join as many different lodges as you want. But in
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: the Eastern Star, all the degrees are conferred at the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: same time, and the work comes as you work your
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: way through those ritual positions.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: How interesting.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 10: So pretty much everybody's equal except for the one leading
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 10: the meeting, and they don't.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Even really differentiate it that way. The one who's leading
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: the meeting is just the worthy matron, so she's like,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: she conducts the meeting, but she's like, it's similar to
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: to the Freemasons. No one is the leader, you know
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: I mean they don't feel like the worship master.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 10: They like, yes, it is basically the one to call
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 10: the chapter meeting to order and do the stuff.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: But I see what you mean.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah, But even that, there's there's within levels. Oh I'm
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: a level thirteen. Oh I'm a level of twenty. There's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 10: there's other bullshit on that adjacent. But the highest level
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 10: third degree.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Well, like most everyone's a third degree, but well some
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: people learn't. But that's the idea is to become a
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: third degree. Yeah, yeah, that's equivalent to.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: Lodge is the Blue lodge.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: And then in the in the York, I think in
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: the York Right Lodge, you have like eleven to thirteen degrees.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, Then in the Mascottish rite, yeah, continues on to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the thirty three yeah.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so you equivalent to the mails? Are you less
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: than the males side different?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Then an Order of Eastern Star chapter, it's called the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: chapter versus the Masonic Lodge. So an OES chapter cannot
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: open for business for lack of a better term, without
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: a male master Mason present. So we're like it was conceptualized,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: like I said, as an adjacent to so you know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's nineteen oh five and your husband is wilder.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Note at all these meetings like three nights a week
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: if he's really involved, and you're like what you know,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like I want to hang out too,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: so he can take you to the Eastern Star and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: you can be initiated and then the both of you
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: can hang out together in the Eastern Star. And it's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: mostly like males don't hold a position within the Eastern
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Star except for the outer door, which is like the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: guard similar exact same thing to the Masonic Lodge. And
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: also as standing next to the worthy matron, there's a
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: worthy patron and it's usually a husband and wife do oh,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, that's.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: Fair balance of both masculine and right.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: But it is it is all the chapter is led, right.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: We use that term loosely by the worthy matron. It's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: it's her chapter. So the male is there as like
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: a chaperone.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: It's very old fashioned in that regard. And one thing
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: I want to point out before we get too deeply
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: into it, and some people who are watching might know,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: the difference the original Oees has. It's there's not just
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: one Oees. In the United States, the popular version of
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Eastern Star is via the Prince Hall, which is for
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: back in the day when there was segregation. Oees, similar
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: to the Masons, does not admit people of color. So
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: in the United States, in the Southern States especially extremely
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: popular to this day. And they're not associated to each other.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: For instance, the regular oes or the first OS doesn't
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: has a grand chapter, Prince Hall does not have a
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: grand chapter. They're just like in their own districts and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: they look after their own sort of thing, and there's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: no there's friendly communication, but there's no amalgamation amongst the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: two types. And so ohs in the United States that
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: are mostly black people, are something different than the regular
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Grand Chapter Ordained Order of the Eastern Star, and they
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: are under the jurisdiction of what we would call Prince Hall.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, So the Eastern Star lodges are like the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: other lodges or I guess the male lodges.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Right, So those were founded by the original OEES was
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: founded by doctor Rob Morris eighteen fifty eight. Okay, right,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Prince Hall.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: So there's Prince Hall there. So there's Prince Hall lodges
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: in the Eastern.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: So the first Prince Hall, which is African American membership predominantly.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: The first chapter was the Queen Esther Chapter number one
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: and it was established December one, eighteen seventy four in Washington,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: d c. By Thornton Andrew Jackson. It's different than the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: original os because of segregation.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 10: Do they use the letters of the Charter in a
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 10: big way, like there are certain Masonic lodges that are
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 10: not four letter charters being free and accepted Masonics.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I don't know that. Yeah,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: in Canada. I live in Ontario in Canada. So that's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: why to me, it's like it's a marked differentiation because
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: in Canada.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 7: We don't have that, gotcha.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Tall is only like it's in the United States.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I got you, I got you.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: It was never a necessity up here.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 7: So it was Canada. You said a boot earlier and
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: I was like, no.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: No, she did it. Yeah. I live in southern Ontario, gotcha, Yeah,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: just near Niagara Falls. So actually I have a lot
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: of interaction through like the Masonic family, right with chapters
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: and lodges on y'all side of the border. So we
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: have what we call American Night. When I was still
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: a member, we would have American Nights, so they would
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: come visit us and then another night we would hop
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: over the border and go visit them, right, And it
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: is there are some subtle differences for sure, for sure.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: And I've been to a Prince Hall chapter and there's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: definitely differences between their chapters.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 10: And there is rs Yeah, there is, and that you'll
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 10: have that with international, big groups like this, there will
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 10: be subtle differences. And I mean that goes to the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 10: motorcycle club world, that goes to the nonprofit world, like
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 10: there's there's always going to be slight differences. The core
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 10: essence is going to be the same, but maybe they
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 10: do things with a certain flair that makes way more
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 10: sense for them.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: You'll have sure it's a regional it has to do
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 9: with her politics or whatever, right right, right?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah, So like night ceremonies in England, you can't knight
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 10: someone in a church in England with a sword because
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 10: you're not allowed to carry weapons in a church by
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 10: like national law. So you know, like certain dumb ship
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 10: like that, unless you remember the Royal family, because they
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 10: can literally do what.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 10: I was talking to one of my English homies and
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 10: he still can't grasp that I carry a weapon into
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 10: church with me.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: And he's like, bro, why And I'm like.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 10: First of all, Louisiana secondly because there was church shootings
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 10: a couple of years ago, and like, look, you might
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 10: catch me.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: You ain't the only one.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 7: Actually, my church is fucking armed, dude. Tell you what.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 9: Waiting all the col members that are popping in right now,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: even the chat they're all saying, hi, hel chat.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: One thing I did want to ask Jack is with
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: the with the Eastern Shaw when you were getting involved
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: in it, is it did you assume you were going
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: to be getting into esoterrorism or stuff like that, or
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: do you occult at all or does it have that
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: type of be honest with you or does it even
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: have that type of vibe?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't, and people, I feel like people
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: want to put that onto it. Because there is a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: a private member's only ritual, right it's encoded. People can
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: get a hold of the book, but unless you have
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: privy information, you don't know what the encoding stands for
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: unless you are a clever deep diver and you find
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: that shit online. Because I'm sure it's there, you know,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I had just people just associate it with something that's
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: you know, what's going on back there in that chapter room,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: you know, because the ritual is private. But I'm honestly
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that I was getting into anything like
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: that just but I also knew better because I had
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: a bit of a background, you know what I mean,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I knew what I was getting into. Yeah, wow, how
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: long were you in it for? I was initiated in
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: twenty ten and I was an active member until about
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Early twenty seventeen. However, the obligation is for life,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: so I've taken a demit, but I'm you're still considered
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: a member, you're still counted amongst the ranks.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: So a question on that one as well.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 10: I'm assuming there is a code of silence, a code
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 10: of secrecy. I don't know if there's an oath to
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 10: the same level that the Freemasons take.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: If yeah, the word sure you're going to be you know,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: the whole thing.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so of course there is.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, of course it doesn't use the same verbage.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 10: It's the same type of occult verbiage that the Freemasons using.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: There doesn't it doesn't. No, the obligation what the things
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: that I can tell you the obligation really has. It
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: has a lot to do with like the things that
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: you're being, the things taking responsibility for the lessons that
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: they are conferring on you via the five star point degrees.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: So things like truth, charity, constancy, loyalty, love, kindness, like
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: all of these things that they're teaching you through the
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: lessons that are are part of each of the star points.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: So it's like saying I am going to be I'm
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: not I'm not going to be a shitty person basically,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and I will take care of my sisters and my brothers,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like within the orders and I'll have respect
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: for myself and my community and things like that. So
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: so why did you get out if it doesn't sound that,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: because because it is a huge responsibility. First of all,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: I will say I was the youngest member, right, So
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: when I joined, I was like, I don't know when
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: was that because I was eleven. I'm forty four now,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: so I was in my thirties early thirties. I was
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: a full time palliative nurse, and it just wild. I
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: was working nights, and it was just a lot, you know,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: to the ritual like every other fraternity, and namely the Masons,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: has to be memorized, and because I was young and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: had energy, I was expected to be available for all
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: the meetings and also to you know, to have to
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: hold a position that was pretty involved. And so it
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: was pages and pages and pages and pages and pages
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: of memorization and it just got to me, honest, it
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: just got to be too much. And I just said, listen, y'all,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: thank you, but I'm gonna have to check back with
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: you at a later date because i just had so
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: much shit going on at the time, running a business,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: working full time. Yeah, it was a lot. I get
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: it to be fair, it was a goot. It was
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: a good time. Like it took me out of my
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: regular social circle and you're like hanging out with all
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: these cool glass old ladies, you know, like smoking cigarettes
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: and drinking tea and talking shit. Right, it was a
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: good time, Like I enjoyed it.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 10: And I feel like most Masonic lodges and Orders of
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 10: the Eastern Star lodges also chapters chapters. Excuse me, yes,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: I feel like the majority of it is just a
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 10: social click that likes to get together and talk shit.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 10: Now, the ones that the very tippy top that might
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 10: be doing some wild shit are probably especially now that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 10: we know all of what we know about the world
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 10: we live in, Yes, they're doing some wild shit. But
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 10: your local chapter is probably just an excuse for these
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 10: old broads and old dudes together and they do, you.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Know what they do, charity and the like. If you're
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: old as shit and you can't make it to a
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: media anymore, someone's going to show up and make sure
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: you're not dead. Like I know I'm saying I'm being
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: cross about it, but it's the truth.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 10: Like they take a lot of these organizations have older.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: People, right, which is why as a younger person. They
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: were looking at me like, you can do everything. Now
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: you know I can't. I am working, y'all are retired.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. Yeah, I mean they're really dying out.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 9: I mean they're they're like all the Elk lodges, all
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: the lodges are closing. A lot of the social clubs
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 9: are completely closing down anyways.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: US American halls, all of them, they're all.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Pretty much closing down.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 9: So, I mean, social media is running the world at
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 9: this point, so why would why would people want to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 9: sign up for things?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: So sure? So I told you at peak membership that
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: had two point six million members in North America. Now
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: the conservative guess is three hundred to five hundred thousand.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: And remember I'm counted, but I.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: Don't attend right, right, it's a good drunk.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: That's low. That's low. Yeah.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 10: Well, like you said, there's a lot of charity work
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 10: that goes with is and there's a lot of you know,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 10: good things that are associated and the networking alone. So
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 10: I can understand why, like social clubs in general would
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 10: be depending on the career path that you're in or
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 10: the direction you're wanting your life to kind of move
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 10: towards I could understand while having like a well connected
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 10: network of like people that you see once a month
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 10: or or once a week or whatever, like, I could
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 10: see that going to the benefit, especially of a young professional.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: One thing I wanted to.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Ask you, did I feel any level of indoctrination? This
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: is a Cardinal Steve. Hello, Cardinal, nice to see you,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Cardinal ste Cardinal Steve. No, I did not feel any
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: level of indoctrination. And Steve, you know why. I'm an
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: anthropology student who considers herself an independent researcher, so I
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: am immune to the indoctrination.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't follow that.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: Some people, uh they were I think they were mentioning
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: that it had something to do not only with Venus,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: but with serious as well.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, it was if if
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: we look at Masonic symbolism, we're going to find all
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: sorts of things and we all know how it all
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: lines up. And this was invented by a Mason, you
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, And it was meant to be
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: like Mason's light for her, So there is a lot
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: of symbolism.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: I love that, Nick.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: That's the name of the episode, now Mason's light.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: For her, Like there you go.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Like I pulled up the like the you have it
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: on the thumbnail, Nick. So there's like a sword in
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: a veil, there's a sheaf of barley, there's a crown incepter,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: there's a broken column, there's a golden cup. Right, all
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: those things like speak to lots of different things, right,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: And I mean if you dig around in the right dustbins,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: you find all sorts of associations that you could accredit
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 10: So, yeah, did you you said you're immune to the indoctrination?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 10: Could you have could you see how somebody could be
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 10: indoctrinated by the things that they were teaching? Like, yes,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 10: you know what I mean, how I don't know how
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 10: to say this without sounding like a dick. Sure go
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 10: for to a gullible person who's just kind of easily influenced.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 10: Could this have developed into some sort of an occult mindset?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. But I think like a lot of things,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: like you can go to freakin' aa and all of
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: a sudden, like you know what I.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: Mean, y, you ain't lying.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm not you know, however, people find their truth
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: good for you go for it, like I'm not here
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: to tell anyone.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: I was like a lot of people are uh, you know, retarded.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right, you're right.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I used to think that this
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: should be available, this knowledge should be you know for
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: everyone that No, I don't.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: I don't think no, I think that.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Knowledge should be available for people who have discernment exactly.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: Get it.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: When you have kids, you just don't tell your kids
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: all kinds of ship right until they come and ask you, or.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: They experience it and they come to you, you know, they.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Come to you and say, hey, yo, what is this? Like,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: what's up with that? Then you provide clarification and guidance
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: or at least send them in a direction where they
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: can you know, find out for themselves in a more
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: clarified manner. But yeah, of course, like anything, right, Like
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I've spoken to Master Mason's who they straight up think
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: like they're in some sort of you know, deeply mistaken called. Okay, cool,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: if that's why you came here for that, that's what
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: you're gonna find, you know what I mean. So it's
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: like anything, It's.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 10: Like anything, absolutely, you make of it what you wanted
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 10: to be, you know.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, that's what we all do, is it right?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, And I've heard that from Mason's as well. They're like,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 10: you know, if you're wanting to find the left handed path,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 10: you can find it here. If you're also just looking
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 10: for an excuse to get out of the house once
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 10: a week and you know, crush.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and have a meal and and have like, you know,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: a healthy environment to be a male in. Yeah, cool, yeah,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, once a once once a month. I would
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: uh this one.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Everything is a cult, you're right, Ye, You're totally right.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Podcasting it's a cult, actual philosophy, it's a call.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: Is not a bad cult though.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 10: We got jackets, we got we got shirts, and ship
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 10: got shirts and.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Book clubs. Yeah, so it's whatever, it's wherever you put
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: your attention, you know what I mean.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: Can Can you give us a little bit of an
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: idea about maybe why these five women would.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you, Like I said, it just
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: boils down to the like the virtues and the morals
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: and the kind of the life lessons or guidances that
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: were put in place, and they mirror pretty closely to
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of the ones that you're going to find
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: in Mason, like the different degrees of the Masonic Ritual.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: The difference being, like I said, is in the Masonic
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: conferring of degrees, you're building one upon the other, and
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: it's like this long drawn out process, you know, and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: building the better man, if you will. In the women's one,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they thought we didn't have lung
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: of attention spans, but they're just like, here you go,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: here's everything, and this is as you kind of move
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: your way through the positions in the ritual, right, because
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: everyone has a everyone who's partaking of the ritual. I
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: think there's eighteen position altogether. The people who partake of
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: the ritual is much lower, it's like twelve or thirteen.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: So someone sits here and someone sits here, similar to
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: the Masonic ritual, right, everyone kind of has a role
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: within the ritual and does their part. And by the
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: time you reach the worthy Matron part, you've learned all
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: of the parts within the ritual. So part of that
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: would be working your way through the starpoints, as they
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: would call it. So we have Ada, we have Ruth
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Esther Martha alecta, and each one of them is associated
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: with like a different lesson and it's based on the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Bible verse. You're really going to be asking too much
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: from me. Some of them I can kind of remember.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: I did jot a couple of them down. Ada I
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: know is associated he was or she was Jeptha's daughter,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: and it's associated to Judges eleven. And the lesson with
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Adas fidelity and justice. So like each one of them
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: is set up like that. So Ruth was a widow. Yeah,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Ruth was a widow, and that comes from the Book
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: of Ruth. Her lesson is constancy, loyalty, friendship, and devotion.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Right Esther comes from the Book of Esther, Queen Esther,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: she was a wife and a queen, so like the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: head of her household or community. And the lesson with
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: her is loyalty, courage, willingness to risk oneself. The color
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: which I always there's colors associated with each one, which
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: you can correlate to the emblem. The color for Esther
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: is white, right, so purity uprightness, you know, being at
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: the front, like the best of the best amongst us
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. Martha her role was a sister. Hers
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: comes from the Gospels. She was actually the sister of Lazarus.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Her lesson is faith, in God and the immortality of
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: the soul, endurance and trial. And the color associated with
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Martha is green, and her emblem is the broken column
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: and the last one Electa. Her role in the story
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: that she was pulled from she was a mother or
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: an elect leeda lady sorry, which is why they called
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: her electa. So that's from Second John. She's the elect
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: lady in the Second John versus. The lesson with her
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: is charity, hospitality, endurance under persecution. So each one of
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: the star points is associated with a story with each
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: of these women from the Bible, and it's meant to
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: demonstrate like how to be a wife, how to be
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: a mother, how to be a sister, a community member,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: how do you conduct yourself when you're faced with adversity
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: or some sort of trial or poverty, or when you
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: can help someone, what should you do? You know what
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: I mean. So it's all these like moral lessons, which
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you'd like to think they're common sense, but
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: it ain't that way for everybody. And so it's just
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: meant to create like a strong community literally like around
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: the Masonic Order, right because it was it was designed
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: by a Master Mason to extend that passed just to
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: him and his brethren, like to his their families and
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: and their their children as well, right.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: Family, Yeah, generational.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, Like it's because that's how you keep your
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: order running, you know what I mean, That's how you
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: keep your membership up. That's you guys asked me why
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: did you join? I'm like, uh, like, no, I don't
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: fall for the indoctrination. But this is something my great
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: great grandmother did. My great grandmother this, you know, when
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: I visit her grave, she's got the emblem on her grave,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: and so she's a very young age. I was like, hey, yo,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: what is this? You know? Yeah, And it was something
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: even though I maybe didn't understand it as a child,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: it was something that I was like, oh, then it
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: must be important because they put it on her grave.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: So I was proud of her for that, you.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 7: Know, yeah, absolutely, yeah, thank you.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: That's that's great.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 7: That's the same way.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 10: That a lot of college fraternities and sororities are even
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 10: keeping numbers up anymore, aside from like the ones that
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 10: the elite coaches skull the bones they select their members,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 10: you know what I'm saying. But like five Delta Beta Capricorn,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 10: fucking you know, the Greek in colleges, most of them
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 10: are legacy these days, and that's pretty much the only
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 10: way that they're able to maintain a good pool of
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 10: new recruits is because well, their dad was one, their
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 10: grandfather was one.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: It could tie into blood DNA and blood memory, dude,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: because the symbols we pick up in our subconscious right,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: like you see, and you know, especially when you understand
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: these symbols, yeah, what they mean before being inverted, subverted
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: through culture and you.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 10: Know, dude, there's a theory out there that says that
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 10: the college Greek system is based off of the mystery
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 10: schools and some of them, some of the fraternities and sororities,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 10: within their initiation rituals, somehow, through some chain of events,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 10: passed down the secrets of certain mystery schools that they're still.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 6: Using about hazing. Dude, it's like a humiliator.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: I see what I'm saying.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: Then you go into it, right you go. I'm sure
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: each year there's a certain thing that you.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: Have to do a certain level of initiation through your years,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: and then usually a lot of those guys back in
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: the day probably ended up joining a lodge after right,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: so yeah, dude, definitely, Hey, Nick, pull up this picture that. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: so I had this, and I mean everything we've been
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: talking about this and this is what me and me
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: and you know, me and Jacob are talking about. The
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: Kabbala mysticism kind of have a lot that stemming from
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: it because it is in the Abrahamic paradigm. Yeah, and
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: and so I found this very interesting. I love you
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: know how the sun will seems to represent the spirit
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: in the you know, the mind, because then you have
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: it compared to I guess the chakra system or something
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: along the lines of Hinduism or Buddhism.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: Maybe I don't know which Jim was here.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: If jin was here, then you have the elements, right,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: which always ties into everything you know, and then the
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: fifth the fifth element.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: But you know I need to do in occult cinema
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: Frozen two. Nick, you can just uh, I don't know,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: maybe we can get I don't know, We'll do something
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: on Patreon with it.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: Guys. There there's there's some stuff that I know. I
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: just thought this was interesting.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: And yeah, do you see this at all?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: The symbol of all the Eastern stars. You've seen the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: same the same symbol before in the Eastern Star. Yeah,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: is just something just so that's just online.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: This is this I've never seen this specifically, the Eastern
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: star and the Eastern star, remember is the other way, right,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: it's an inverted star. So yeah, so your white esther
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: points to the west.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the original the original star is actually dated back
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 9: to Christianity. For that, there's like a whole bunch of
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 9: symbolism that represents the sacrifice of the salvation and stuff.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 9: The original actual five point star, but then it changes
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 9: and it varies in each point and depending on which
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 9: group you're using it for and stuff. But the actual
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 9: original symbol itself, that's actually something that's when we're talking
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 9: about anthropology, that's actually a subgroup that talks a lot
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: about symbolism and like it attracts symbols and how they've
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 9: been used.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Throughout time and stuff.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 9: It's actually really I have a friend that does that specifically,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 9: and it tracks He tracks all the symbols throughout time
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 9: and how they've been repurposed, reused, rebranded pretty much over
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 9: and over again on Rinson repeat, and then some of
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 9: them have just been taken to where only this is
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 9: like this is the pagan symbol forever and ever, and
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 9: it's like there's more cobody.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go there, there's actually nothing to do
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, it's like if you if you actually
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: read and go back in time and understand.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 9: Because a lot of people get really pissy because I
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 9: actually have five pointed star on my arm and.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Like, but you know that they don't.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 9: I know mine has a triple goddess with the five
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 9: point star in the middle and stuff.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 10: But you know, both of those symbols actually have Christian origins,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 10: or we should at least say Hebrew origins.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: On that point.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 9: Get really mad when I They're like, oh, she's a witch,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 9: and it's like, first off, like I was originally a Christian.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 9: Like if you read into these things and actually learn
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 9: symbology and actually read history and follow how they've been
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 9: transformed news and all of this stuff, Like there is
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 9: multiple meanings for so many symbols throughout history, so it's
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 9: fascinating when you see them get turned and changed and
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 9: like there's a slight variations, there's that one group that literally.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Made them, just like it's like a it's so.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 9: Little on each side has changed, but it's just enough
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 9: to alter the star and that's why they've claimed it
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 9: as theirs.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: I forget which group it is, but.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: Being a Hindu, right, that cave from people from the
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: step actually migrating over.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: There and conquering especially the horse tribes.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: Well yeah yeah, but.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 10: Though we got Native Americans that have very similar symbols.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: And you know Tomac.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: From southern Europe, right, actually the Christopher Colonna right, because
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: you're from the colonial family Christopher banking families.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if you want to real quick, if you
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: want to like you know, how like the pentagram is
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: normally drawn. Uh, it has like, you know, pretty much
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: the same way as that where it has like the
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: five points on the outside and then that thing in
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: the inside, you know, the way that's drawn like that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: that start. I don't know if it has to do
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 5: with it being encircled, but that star itself is the
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: whole reason we know of rational and irrational numbers, because
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: Pythagoras designed that star so and because of that we
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: got rational numbers. And then they started even challenging the
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: idea that maybe this is amazing. They actually sometimes questioned
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: their own beliefs, so I want to make sure that
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: they're correct. And then they came up with the idea
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: of doing something with the square and realizing it doesn't
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: fit this, So now we have irrational numbers. So basically
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: because of that symbol being created, that pentagram itself drawn
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: that way, we have irrational rational numbers.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 14: Well, I think if people are having these spiritual you know,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 14: kind of these visions and these experiences, and they're seeing
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 14: these symbols right all throughout time and all throughout agriculture
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 14: and throughout history, so you know, you're you're definitely gonna
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 14: find these symbols everywhere used.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: But you know, we've always talked about it. It's the intent
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: and purpose behind the symbol, but it's it's.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 10: The universal that also gives a power in its own right, right,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 10: the same reason why true Satanic churches, I don't mean
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 10: Levey and his bullshit, you have more power over this.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: Even his daughter said it was like dramatic atheism, that
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: it was like such a bullshit.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 10: No, I mean like like for instance, the mass versus
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 10: a black mass, right, the true polar opposite inversion that
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 10: also carries its own weight and power with it on
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 10: that side, you know what I mean. So like the
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 10: symbols being used in invertedly also gives it that level
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 10: of power as well.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely for sure.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: One thing I did want to answer there were some
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: questions that we hear. I don't know, it could have
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: been either before you guys joined, But I do have
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: three questions here that I start. This one is from Sarah.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: It's from a female before people are like some ovally
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: male masculine toxicity questions some ship like that. Can you
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: elaborate on why people always say they sit in a
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: circle with their tits out and a bunch of weird shit. Wow,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: that's your homegirl, that's your homegirl, it's your co host.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: That's on the next episode of Universe on the mail.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I've never heard of that.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: Is that?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: What's going on here?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: People? That? No? I never went through with my tits out.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: In fact, I more you know what. I had to
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: go online and find a white temple dress that came
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: up to my neck, down to the ends of my
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: wrists and to my ankles. That's what I wore during
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: the ritual.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: Yes, okay, so this is very.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: Very like I went. Yeah, like I went on a
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: Mormon website and don't white.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: Yea right, yeah, yeah, representing purity. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: It was pretty super posh. And I've actually served different
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: positions in what we would call the Grand Chapter of Ontario.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: So once a year we have like a couple of
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: like a weekend generally where we go and have a
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: session and do the full ritual as like the Grand Chapter.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: And I went there and had white gloves, white shoes
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: like very so there's no tits out, sorry y'all.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 10: Is there any kind of color variations to it? Or
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 10: is there some sort of like thing that the head
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 10: one adores adorns rather during the ceremonies? Does you know
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 10: what I mean? For like years of service or something?
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 10: Is there designation.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: Things like that are designated via jewelry, so you will
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: you can often find a member of Oees because they
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: will wear a piece of jewelry. Sure, right, So I
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: mean it's it's modern day, right, So we put shit
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: on our bumpers and we carry.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 10: Like this big ritual when the big white all the
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 10: whites adorned. Is there, like if you're wearing red, that
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 10: means you're the top dog for the next few years
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 10: or right.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: So you might have a sash or you might have
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: something like that, like or some sort of like a pin.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: And we all wear name tags actually designating what chapter
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: we're from and that sort of thing. So if you
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: were a big wig or like a grand chapter sort
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: of designation, you would have that written on your name tag.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: But we wear we wear are we wear white and
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: the guys wear toxes.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, m that's very country club besk hmm.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: What's that girl?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's what I forgot. I forgot the next question,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: totally forgot. Thank you right here in front.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Of Sarah, Sarah Dolly, thank you for the question.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: Do they have do they have a secret hands?
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Do we have a secret handshake? Like yeah, no secret handshake.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: There's like there's like, oh, yes, greetings, right, just like
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: the Masons, but.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 7: Masons.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 10: No, it's not call yourselves travelers or anything like that.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: No, No, it's more like very it's very sisterly. Let'll
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: just say that the traveling pants. I was just about
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: sisterhood out got it.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 9: You're going to get that bra from you this week.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 6: That's funny.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: There was a bunch of people in the chat also
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: asking earlier, what are some of the rumors online about
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: the Eastern Star that you think of big misconceptions.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Like I said before that there's like some kind of
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: like wild shit happening in the ritual because it's secret,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Listen, if you really want
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: to know, first of all, bless you on your deep
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: dive journey because at the end you're not going to
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: find anything juicy. There's no boobies, and it's just no,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: it's just secret because if you, like Jules and I
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: were talking about early on, like if you want to know,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: put the time in, go find out, you know what
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: I mean. But it's it's really honestly, it's enriching materials.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, but you're not going to be rewarded
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: with anything esoteric, off the wall or occultish.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was gonna say, uh yeah, you know,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: you would think stemming from the mystery schools, especially on
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: the feminine side, they would have something to do with
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: I would argue that it does when you let's go,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: that it does in terms of empowering women to take
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: hold of their women in their womanhoods, you know what
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: There's not necessarily a healthy way, right.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: In a healthy way. Yeah, in a healthy way for sure,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Like I mean it's believe it or not, don't be
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: a shitty person. It's kind of a hard concept for
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: some people, and they need a fucking ritual to learn
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: how to do that.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 10: I'm sure there's other benefits to it as well, right Like,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 10: for instance, in the Freemasons, if you get jammed up
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 10: or something, they will actually pay for your legal fees
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 10: if they have the funds in their bank account.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 7: Does it order take care of.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, like we take care of each other and
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: within the capacity that we're able to. Like I said,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: some of the members being very very old who perhaps
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: can't make it to chapter anymore, someone from a chapter
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: will will go visit you and check on you, you know
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: what I mean, make sure that you're you know, take
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: care of meals on wheels for you or or you know,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: make sure like one year I was, I was tasked
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: with making sure that everyone got a Christmas card, right
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: who maybe we hadn't seen in a while. So and
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: certainly if a member of someone's family is gone, someone
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: will attend the funeral. Like so, we reach out to
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: each other in these little ways to make sure that
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: somebody still feels part of community. Because when you get old,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: I mean it's no nice way to say it, but
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of people get isolated, right, So sure those
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: people do, I mean, and there's not a lot of.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 9: Well I don't know much about the Eastern Star besides
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 9: what I've known from friends of mine that had family
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 9: members in it. But there's not a lot of spaces
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 9: now though, for just women to have. So that's a
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 9: that's a tough thing too, because there's you know, they're
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 9: kind of disappearing, rapidly changing environment that we have.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Sure, and I think a lot of people do get
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: hung up on when I would say to them, like, oh,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's a Mason has to be there,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: but they really honestly take a backseat like that, you
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, All those chickens in the chicken coop,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: the rooster has no say I can tell you that, Like,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: they're just there. It's just a way for husbands and
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: wives to be social because if your husband or you're
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: you know, usually it's their husband. To be honest with you,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: some people are there without their husband involved or whatever.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was their dad or whatever. But if your
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: husband is deep in the in the in the Masons
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: and very involved and doing a lot of volunteer work
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: with them, and it's showing up to different lodges like
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: they're busy. So maybe the only chance y'all get to
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: hang out is like when you go to chapter and
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: hang out together, you know what I mean. Sometimes since
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: have like ladies night and stuff. But yeah, it was
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: literally just a way to incorporate the wives who are
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: at home, Like where are you going again for this
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: time the third night this week? You know what I mean.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure my brother in law is about to
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: shut his shut his lodge down, you know, because his
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: dad and like you know, his dad being a rose
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: Crusian and like that whole kind of generation dine out
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: or they're they're in homes or whatever.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: Right, So a lot of chapters, Yeah, they're amalgamating. So
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: you're seeing the number of chapters and lodges actually disintegrate
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: and they're coming together and amalgamating. That's happening everywhere because
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: the numbers are down. I mean, it very well could
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: be a thing that dies out.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well the knowledge won't be lost, So the.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 9: Knowledge won't be lost that I think. Closing the chapters,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 9: I think that's it for everything.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: Though, I mean it goes underground, right, this is like
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: this kind of happens in patter time.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: The little comeback stuff like that always comes back.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 10: You know, they're all I mean, I don't think it's
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 10: going to be going away for goods strictly because the
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 10: amount of money that those fuckers bring in for their
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 10: quote unquote charities and NGOs and where these donations go,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 10: and how it's a write off for certain people at
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 10: the top, at the top of the wealthy classes, not
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 10: necessarily the top of the freemasons. It's it's too useful
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 10: for too many people to go away for good.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 7: But I definite to wait down here.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, parade full of them.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 9: They literally have a parade in and on themselves from
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 9: Mardi Grass and it's hundreds of floats of them.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: So like they ain't going nowhere.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 7: Oh no, no, not the military either like that.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's those complete lodges that are full of
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: just police officers here.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're a military stacked full of them too.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's it.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 9: I didn't really realize that until like I started thinking
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 9: about like people I served, and I was.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Like, uh, oh no, go hang out with right, who
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: go hang out with?
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 10: At least in the Marine Corps, where Lee and I
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 10: were both Marine vets. And I will say that I don't.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 10: I only know of one black man that was a
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 10: staff sergeant or above that was not a member of
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 10: the Freemasons.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 7: Like it's it is a thing.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 10: It's like a subculture within the subculture of certain military branches.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 10: Within the Navy, most officers have only met a handful,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 10: but they're some of the older guys that are like
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 10: getting to the retirement age now, like you were gonna
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 10: be a part of this lodge, whether you felt like
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 10: it or not, like it was expected of you all.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: Sure, So, I mean, I'm sure every branch has that.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: That's it's wild. So I don't think it's gonna go away.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 10: I do, however, think that there will be certain lodges
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 10: like the ones right outside of a military base. They're
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 10: never going to shut down. They've constantly got a rotation
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 10: of guys and exactly exactly and it's for the networking
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 10: of what goes into especially when you get past colonel.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: Or as too though.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 9: I mean, because we lose the sense of community that
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 9: we have in the military. We go from being around
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 9: our homies every day to being alone and stuck with
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 9: civilians and that's not it's not very.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to do.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 9: So being able to go to a place that is
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 9: like minded individuals and finding more people that you can
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 9: be around is you know, especially with the all the
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 9: veterans stuff closing, I mean ship most of it's closed,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 9: and so, you know, we have a lot of veterans
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 9: that are just struggling in and of itself and by themselves,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 9: and so anything that we could do to collect people,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 9: especially you know, you give a task to a bunch
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 9: of veterans, like, it's gonna be like, hey, we could
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 9: all get together and bullshit and we have a task
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 9: to do.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: Oh dude.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 10: The VFW halls that are shutting down right now are
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 10: about to be prime.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: Fucking real estate.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah, because they have liquor licenses that are approved at
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 10: the highest state levels. Once that like VFW post shuts down,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 10: whoever buys that bitch has got the golden ticket.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: I'm just throwing it out.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: But should buy them and open up venues.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: That's a lot of them are becoming that.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, that's a good idea to have some you know,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: culture can still continue through that that one area.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: There's one thing I was gonna I meant to made
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: a note of. If you look at the emblem on
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: the inside of the star, there is usually depicted like
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: the it's the open Bible. It represents like the open Bible,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: which every chapter opens with the Bible open on the
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: on the the in the center of the room, and
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: around that it spells the words f A T A L,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: which says fatal. Right. So online I have often seen
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: or heard, you know, different people say well, why does
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: it say fatal around the outside or inside the actual
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: emblems fatal? Yeah, So it actually stands for and you
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: can find this online. This is probably one of the
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: things that you're not supposed to say, but you can
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: find it online. But it stands for fairest among ten
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: thousand altogether lovely, right. So that's an acronym and it's
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: actually a Bible verse.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 10: So from where I'm unfamiliar on that one, I am also, Oh,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 10: I'm a Google.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 7: It's just for.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: Fairest, fairest among ten thousand all together, lovely.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: First among ten thousand.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: Your guess is as good as mine. Who else knows it?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: You'll find it.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 7: I'm looking, oh song of Solomon.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah, ten and five sixteen in the Bible, where a
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 10: woman describes her beloved as the chief among ten thousand
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 10: altogether lovely andrew thing.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 7: This is a who was this?
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: Who said this?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 7: Out?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: And song?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 7: And Solomon's anyway fascinating.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, hate red staffer.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I see we have multiple cult members in
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 7: the chat. Welcome all of you. Thank you for coming in. Yeah,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 7: I saw you, white boy wizard, that's a fact.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: Tinfoil taco.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: Oh fuck, yeah, don't.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: She won't sleep but she said hey, oh.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: Hell yeah, so that makes me happy. Anyway.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: Do you remember it yet you showed up? Yeah? Nick?
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one more question, Bud, oh you know yeah, No,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: that one was actually a comment.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: It was making a comment smoking the lead.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 6: I have a question, Go for it, but this is
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 6: something I do on Grayfield.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: If if you could go back in time some somewhere,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: Jacqueline and hang out with anybody from the past, uh,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: some kind of flo or you know.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like I need to get my answer ready.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: Just in case you guys are going to need to
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 6: answer too, because you are. Jacob already has off, So
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: you go ahead, Jacqueline and god.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Damn Jules, Well, what that's a hard pick, man.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry. You wanted to pick another question here? No, well,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 6: I can do it. I can pick another question.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, what do you got that I don't know because
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: I don't have it off the top of my head
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: to answer. I've got like forty answers for that. I'm greedy, Okay.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 6: Got back in time to any ancient civilization? Which one
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: would it be and why?
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: That's an easy one for me. So I think like
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: Greco Egyptian and straight up because it's a fucking aesthetic.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Was beautiful, Yes, yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: I agree.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: I could probably get more work and answers done elsewhere perhaps,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: but just to be there in that aesthetic and see
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: the people and the way they were living and and
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: smell that air, I don't know.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 10: Oh, I feel that tall make Egypt was a wild
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 10: place in the time.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful because so many epic things that we
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: know about Egypt were already in Ruin in that time,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: and also in Greece, right, Like, so ancient Greece was
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: already ancient at that time, like we A lot of
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: people don't think about the time frame, right.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: Alexander the Great just died his whole.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: Fractured cleopatres coming up. She's getting ready to roll over
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: of the carpet, which is.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 7: A whole other thing too.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 10: God, the the comment section on the internet was going
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 10: crazy when they did that Clay mold of Cleopatra and
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 10: she looked like Britney Spears and it's like, dude, we're
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 10: talking Greco Egyptian, like we have mosaics of our cousin.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 7: And she was a ginger like, yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: Real quick.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: What's y'all stake on the Odyssey?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen I want to see that.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I can watch it, but I
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: the nineteen ninety seven with Armanda Sante fucked hard, super hard.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: The aesthetic is incredible.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: It's peak acting like on his behalf, especially like if
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: y'all seen the Gaudy movie from the nineties, he kills
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: it in that movie too, John Bolta.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 6: He should be ashamed of himself.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 15: But no, like it's it's and it's directly it it
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 15: like lines up directly with the fucking myth and.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 6: The people that would have been there, they they look
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 6: like them, they look accurate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's history.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: Sarah.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: Sarah and I did a whole tie check on the
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: Sweet Sunday News talking ship about the Honestly, I tore
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: it up, like, no, no.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 10: I don't think I've heard one single positive review at
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 10: this point. If I go and see it, it's gonna
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 10: be to like going into it knowing it's about to
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 10: be absolute trash, and not just.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 7: Because I want to Elliott Page Bulls.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: Scott, dude, come on, Yeah, I'm sorry, dude.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry. Travis Scott's in the movie.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: Basically this ancient like storyteller, a Bard almost yeah, and
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: it's like.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 10: He's supposed to be Homer telling the fucking story.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: Sort of at the beginning, I think, yeah, he's given
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: a vision of what's going to happen in the Odyssey
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: to Odysseus and all of the people, and it's it's
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: just like he's a vision.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 10: Yes, Okay, because that's how that worked in Greek. Okay.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: So first of all, it was bound and determined to
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: be an epic failure in my eyes because it is
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: taken from the uh interpretation of an extremely feminist classicist.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: So yeah, fimius, a blind Bard. There we go, a
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: blind Bard reciting the twenty seven hundred year old poem
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: and also contributed to the soundtrack.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 16: Fuck of Wow Wow Wowow, which granted historically speaking, concert
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 16: right nine people died, remember that astra?
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, fuck that guy.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 10: No, we understandably like, okay, actually yeaheah, because he's creepy. No,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 10: historically speaking, we don't know if Homer was like a
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 10: dude or if that was like a title of the
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 10: dudes that told this story. It could have like some
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 10: William Shakespeare shit. We don't know if this was an
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 10: appogamation or one guy. But even still, to let that
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 10: one be Travis Scott. Yeah, I'm all right. So I've
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 10: already heard enough about the movie. I think I think
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 10: I'm good without seeing that and introducing this evil into
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 10: my life, We're good.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah dude.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: No, but watched the nineteen ninety seven once on YouTube. Yeah, dude,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: totally what. You won't regret it.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 6: You'll be like, thanks, dude, another movie, good, dude.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: Like Isabella Rosalini plays Diana, Yeah, it's it's it's it's beautiful.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 6: It's beautiful. Uh, don't get me started.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: Not as in da fan over here. Yeah, I just
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 4: I just think she looks the same in every movie.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: The same same blanket.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm not a fan either.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 6: Kind of weird.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 10: Yeah, she's She's definitely not what I would consider a
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 10: great actress or or singer or dancer.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 7: I'm not as in day fan like at all. Actually,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 7: so I'm with.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 10: You on that for levels upon levels of reasons. The
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 10: fact that she plays pretty much the same character no
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 10: matter what she's doing. I got the same gripe about
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 10: Nick Cage, but at least he made a career.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 7: But you know, I'm just I don't know.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I love Nick Cage.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: Dude, I think that you know, I had his son
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: on for a Sound Science one time. I need to
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: hit him up. Get him on, yeah, get them on again, dude. Yeah, no,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: you thanks for bringing up Nick Cage.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 6: You remind me.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 7: I'll be right back Gil.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: But no, Hey, so, Raven, did you want to answer
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: the question which answer to the one that I asked.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: About? The which era I would want to look out to?
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: Where? Where would you want to be and who would
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: you want to hang out with if there's anyone in
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: history or just where would you want to be?
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 9: You know, that's hard because I like her, There's there's
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 9: a lot of different people that I would want to experience.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that have for me.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 9: I'd probably pick a scientist if I was going to
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 9: pick anybody to go back to, because I would want
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 9: to There's certain people in history that have created or
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 9: done a lot of experiments on humans to be able
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 9: to find things, find things out that we use today.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 9: For example, the the man that actually created the four
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 9: steps that we use, the little priors that open up,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 9: you know, and he also created four steps. He his
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 9: whole journey arc is crazy in and of itself, like
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 9: how he created them, And like I would probably pick
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 9: somebody in the science realm if I could pick anybody.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: There is a specific midwife that.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 13: I would probably go to because she's one of the
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 13: most famous midwives and to be able to achieve like
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 13: to be able to write down the past knowledge that
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 13: she gathered from because like she was a generational midwife,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 13: so she had had like hundreds of years of This
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 13: is a I cannot say her name very well.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: It's a tribal name because.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 9: Like she it was I'll hang on, I gonna have
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 9: to look it up because I'm fun her name.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, so she.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 9: She had lots of knowledge and like a lot of
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 9: the old midwives that were passed down. We had one
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 9: midwife here that gate that helped like three hundred or
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 9: four hundred babies in like the eighteen hundred it's be
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 9: able to be born, and she had like a death
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 9: rate of only like one or two. Really, she's like,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 9: I forget her name, she's a really well worker.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that knowledge to be able to write
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: down that kind of stuff.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 9: But if I had to pick a time period, it's
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 9: kind of a crazy time period to pick, but I'd
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 9: probably pick around like ninety five hundred years ago when
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 9: people started to actually form types of tribes or come
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 9: together in uh formations of at least gathering two form tribes.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: Because I want to know how and why these.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 9: Things took place, specifically in like the Middle East and
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 9: that kind of those kind of areas, because I want
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 9: to understand what drove this when agriculture did already start
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 9: to happen prior to But there's like certain megealists that
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 9: have been built that like, I want to understand, how
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 9: did you come up with this knowledge, who influenced this,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 9: how did you think of these things? For me, it's
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 9: the quest of knowledge. I would want to seek different
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 9: time periods to be able to understand how humans supposedly
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 9: created these things without any interventions.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: So that's where I would pick.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 6: That's awesome.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 4: I love that answer, A very unique answer with the
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: midwif thing. But that's very that's my background. No, No,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: that's that's cool.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 6: That's pretty cool.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: And then Jacob, I already know Jacob's answers, what's up?
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 6: What's up hanging out with? What time period?
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 10: Ooh, multiple levels to this question.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 6: You have a couple answers if you want.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 7: So.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 10: As far as a person that would like to meet
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 10: throughout all history, obviously would be my boy JC, my
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 10: Lord and Savior, but aside from him, because I feel
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 10: like that's kind of a gimme answer. Actually, Sir William Marshall,
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 10: the greatest knight to ever live, his entire story from
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 10: how he entered into knighthood all the way through to
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 10: his death, Like, there is no greater name as far
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 10: as chivalry and knighthood.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 7: I'm talking battles one.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 10: I'm talking about staying loyalty or word, even when the
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 10: odds are stacked against you, went on crusade, gave to
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 10: the poor, like I'm talking start to finish. This guy
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 10: is the man myth legend that you think of when
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 10: you think of a medieval night doing nightly shit. So
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 10: I would love to sit and just talk with him,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 10: train with him. If that was an option, Holy fuck,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 10: because you're.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 7: Not be doing the armored fighting and shit anyway.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: But yeah, and you would also have you probably join
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: in some kind of secret esoteric order, because most of
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 4: the nights that time were.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 10: You know, as I've looked into him, I don't know
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 10: for a fact if he was, but I will say
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 10: I can find no evidence that he belonged to any
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 10: kind of secret order. Although that being said, I should
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 10: mention he was a part of the Knight's Templar, but
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 10: the time period that he was in it wasn't the
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 10: level when the templars were doing their like, it wasn't
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 10: at their peak when they were like the first international
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 10: banking conglomerate, if not.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: State came from these other guilds of knights that we were,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: you know, we're earlier on in England's history.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so he I guess he ought one of the
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 7: Crusades too.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 10: He was a true templar actually, like not just a
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 10: one of the remnants of but he was what was
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 10: called a confrere knight, so basically he was accepted into
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 10: the organization without having to take the monastic vows. They
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 10: basically recognized, Okay, you're a fucking pipe hitter and we're
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 10: gonna need you when we clash against Muslim shields here
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 10: in a bit, so like you're gonna wear our colors,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 10: but like we're gonna make some some exceptions for you.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 10: And he's just like all right, cool. But he was
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 10: buried in his templar uh mantle. So anyway, that's the
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 10: person from history.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 7: I would love to meet.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 10: Time period dude, if I could be in Venice for
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 10: the Renaissance. I feel like that was probably the most
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 10: bitches I thought.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: About that too.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, a.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 9: Badass time period to like actually see the Enlightenment and
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 9: the fucking art and everything else.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: I love the Renaissance art.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 7: I want to be one of the Medici's like homeboys.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 10: I don't want to be, but like you know, let
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 10: me let me party with that lemon, right right, right,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 10: right right. I accepted at the family gatherings, but I'm
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 10: not accepted at the family business meetings.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 7: You know what, I'm saying as long as I.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: Could take as long as I can take penicillin back
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: with me.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 9: No shit, maybe some std checks like you know here
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 9: condoms take condoms.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: I'm over here trying to like help people out, like no, no,
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: go do that. This is gonna go really bad for
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: you in like twenty years, Like it's really gross. Don't
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: touch that. Don't do it.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's just a I figured I would finish
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: the show up because I didn't know if Nick had
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 4: any other questions.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: I know, actually I'm pretty good.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, put a little spin on it, Nick, Sorry, I
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 6: know those.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really interesting.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: That was like a question. I'm usually the one asking questions,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: so I like you too.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: Jacob's normally the one to ask most questions.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 7: I think I did very well in not talking too
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 7: much tonight. Thank you.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: A banger was a lot later, but no, this this
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: was a great episode.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 4: Hopefully as it the heat dies down and you know,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: rolls into the ball autumn, be able to hop on
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: a lot more these, Nick or out, you know, I'll try.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you're in your garage. I forget about that.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I bought a new fan it's nice, but.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 10: I had to build this studio space in my garage,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 10: believe it or not. Yeah, the optical illusions of the
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 10: set make it look like more.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 7: Dude.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 10: This is a fucking five by eight essentially a closet
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 10: that I built in my garage and ducted in air conditioning.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 7: So I feel you that.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah that sounds like goddamn glad you brought that up.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll send you pictures. It's not hard to build basically.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 10: Some If you can do basic framing with two by four,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 10: the rest of it's fucking easy. This is all this
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 10: is fabric staple to the two by fours on my walls.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 7: Like this is because I figured soundproofing as all this was. Yeah,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 7: this is the better part of a week.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 6: Do it yourself, and I want right.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 7: But I feel you for that heat, dude, Louisiana in
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 7: my garage. That was not fucking happening yet.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 6: It's it's unbearable at times. The trash cans I don't
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 6: think are melting.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: To the pavement yet like they were last year in
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: like Texas and these other places.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 6: I don't know, Damnusiana.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was. It was a rough one last year for.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah, it suck, but yeah no, this was
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: a banger episode.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: Bliss, thank you very much.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, of course, sorry about the whole screw
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 5: up there, but I'm glad it worked.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 6: Out to you guys.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'm not sorry for the screw up.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 6: Nick. We made it work, dude, Yeah, definitely.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, before we wrap it up, I let everybody
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 5: pluge this stuff, which one of you is from, uh
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 5: specusly one who pluge your stuff?
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: It's the cult.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: Oh it's Jacob. He has a whole he has a
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: whole thing.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 10: I'm not going to hold the knife hands. This isn't
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 10: my show, but uh yeah, we are the culture Conspiracy.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 10: Check us out on all platforms except YouTube. We got
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 10: kicked off of YouTube back Oh yeah, no, no, no,
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 10: it's it's a whole thing. YouTube like crack you our
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 10: IP address for the ship that me and Jonathan did
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 10: in the early days of the show.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 7: So like it is what it is.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 10: So we are on all listening platforms, your your Spotify,
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 10: Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, all of that.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 7: We're on all the social media is check us out there.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 10: The only place you can get our videos and commercial
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 10: free listening is to come to patreon dot com slash
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 10: Culture Conspiracy Podcast. We also do our lives every Tuesday
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 10: night at nine pm Central. It's a big zoom link
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 10: to get sent out to all of the members on
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 10: our Patreon with the third eye all the way open
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 10: and yeah, we would love to see you there every
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 10: Tuesday night. I also have a side project called The
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 10: Cajun Night and that is on YouTube, which is once
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 10: a week live that I do with my people on
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 10: my own patreon patreon dot com.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 7: Slash Cajun Night.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 10: Also, go check out all of our affiliates, all of
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 10: the people that drop, all the content creators that put great,
• 2:11:28
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• 2:11:31
  Speaker 7: Go check us out on all these.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 10: Platforms and give them a follow, give them the five
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 10: star reviews, follow them on their socials and shit, the
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 10: more boosting of the algorithm that all of us get
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 10: across the board, the better it is for everybody.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 7: Once again, we believe a rising tide raises all ships.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 10: So yeah, I don't think I missed anything that I
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 10: Raven No, I don't think so okay, excellent boom called
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 10: the Conspiracy Checker us.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 5: Down love nice, Thank you very well, associatel Uh Raven
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 5: do you want to say anything. Oh, well, you for
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 5: having us, okay, any of your own stuff. I don't
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 5: know if you have your on social media.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 9: I had a little side project, but I'm gonna be
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 9: really honest, I'm busy and so I had to take
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 9: down my side project. So mainly though the socials are
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 9: ran by both of us. A lot of people run
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 9: into me more than anything. But I try to let
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 9: people know when they're talking to me. And then I
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 9: have my own little book club on the Patreon with
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 9: our cult members.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: But that's about it, all right. Thank you very much
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: for coming on. That was fun.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys for sure.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jules, I think you kind of did you
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: Did you go already?
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 6: I mean no, not not.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 6: Tune in tomorrow morning nine a m. Gods of the Morning.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 6: Would we're doing Uh we're finishing up Western Uh what
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 6: was it? Uh? The Adepts in the Ands lost Keys
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 6: of Freemasonry And then uh, I.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: Thought I misheard him the last.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: Time, and I was like, no, yeah, I'm so used
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: to hearing.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 6: Tuesday. It is my birthday. So uh, thank you, thank
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 6: you birthday. Thank you Nick.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 4: You hit it before me.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 6: I was trying to find it.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 7: Oh no, no, actually I'd hit that one.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 6: I don't even know where they.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 7: Have it on my mixer on my soundboard, so the
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 7: button's just like right there begging to be.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm pretty quick with it on my show,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 6: but I always forgetting Nick has it on here. I
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 6: put all these on here. But yeah, Gods of the
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 6: Morning would tomorrow morning.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: We're doing, uh those two books and uh yeah, you know,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: finishing up the last year because we have two of
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 4: our co hosts leaving us. So it's gonna be something
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 4: sentimental here this next month. But I'm glad we're finishing
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 4: up a few books. And yeah, besides that, a cult cinema.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 4: Last one was me zero Laughing Headless Giant we did
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: and that's on Patreon. Before that, me and Jonathan. I
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 4: don't know, Jonathan, I should get you guys on it.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: Cult cinema, dude, But Jonathan came on. We did Donny Darko.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 6: Nick came on. Nick, which one do we do?
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 7: Oh Mother Mother?
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: It was great, the whole symbolism within that movie.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 6: And I was writing, I was like writing stuff down,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 6: just a fantastic life in it.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it's a fantastic movie to use though for like,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 9: especially for you in college. It's a fantastic movie to
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 9: break apart.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like one of the best.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a it's a great movie to break apart
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 9: for especially when you have to great topics on it.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 6: And also it's pretty it's pretty crazy.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's over on Patreon guys, if you
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 4: want to support the show Patreon dot com. That's Great
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: Pill Podcast. Also go follow me on x since my
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 4: ex account got hacked in June, only recovered like one.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 6: Fifth of my followers.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay, talking about a lot of new things
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: on Great Pilled, so you know, it's uh, it's fine,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: you know, but uh yeah.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 6: That's Great Pilled.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah at Gray Pill with three d's and uh yeah
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: again Nick, thanks for letting me know about the show.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 6: I got to get all for it. Even though I
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 6: worked close to ten hours, I still got all the time.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: I feel.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, came on and uh, this is awesome. But
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  Speaker 4: I will be doing a birthday stream, I guess maybe
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  Speaker 4: Sunday night. Guys, tune in, tune in, we'll be doing something.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe invite a couple of people on We'll see.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, well, thank you very much for coming on jewels.
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  Speaker 5: I always have a always have a pleasure.
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  Speaker 6: I love being here. Yeah, of course, man man always
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  Speaker 6: and something always always.
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  Speaker 5: And uh, Jacqueline, please let everybody know what's up with
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  Speaker 5: Universe Unveiled and anything else you want to promote.
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  Speaker 3: Promote this stuff that you also tweet out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, well you can find me on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast with my co host Sarah showed out to my
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  Speaker 1: love of my life Sarah. Yeah, yeah, so at Universe Unveiled,
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  Speaker 1: you can find us on X. You can find us everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: All the places you can find me on X at
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  Speaker 1: Jacqueline small pretty easy to remember. I do a weekly
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  Speaker 1: short history feature every Wednesday. I call it Unseen Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: and I kind of try to feature people that are
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  Speaker 1: pretty significant in our historical timeline, that have contributed in
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  Speaker 1: some meaningful way, but almost no Kay's ever heard of them.
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  Speaker 1: So I do get a short, little short history thread
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  Speaker 1: every week, so you find that there you can find me.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Ricardo Shaman seven eleven. We're all part of Institute
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  Speaker 1: for Natural Philosophy. The boys do the Shaman and the Philosopher,
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  Speaker 1: and Sarah and I do Universe sun Failed. So we're
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  Speaker 1: around around like a donut. You can find us, come
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  Speaker 1: take a bite, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, those two have been doing a lot
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  Speaker 3: of work together.
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  Speaker 5: What's that, Ricardo and Jason, they've been doing a lot
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  Speaker 5: of both make a donut logo.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing a lot of work donut logo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the boys, the boys are just had you know.
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  Speaker 1: Jason has his own podcasts which he does his little
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  Speaker 1: thing where he does his thing, and then the boys
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  Speaker 1: have their podcast that's our Brethren Brethren podcast. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of like the front the front end of
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  Speaker 1: the Institute for Natural Philosophy. So most people don't realize
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  Speaker 1: there's a whole slew of people in behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: that are doing all kinds of work. But yeah, come
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  Speaker 1: find us, come to guess out. Sarah and I do
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  Speaker 1: the news every Sunday, the Sweet Sunday News Service at
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  Speaker 1: one pm Eastern. Yeah, we got a new episode. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we have a new episode actually coming out next WENESDA
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  Speaker 1: this coming Wednesday.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, surprise, guest surprise. Definitely definitely gonna want to
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  Speaker 5: check it out. Definitely check out for sure for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Nick, thank you so much for having me on. I
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  Speaker 1: was looking forward to it all day watching that clock
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  Speaker 1: oh by get me out.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I had a blass. Thank you so much, chocking.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, appreciate you guys. Really glad to meet you. Jules,
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  Speaker 1: nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacqueline, finally talk to you. I'd love to get
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  Speaker 4: you and Sarah on my show to hang out with
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  Speaker 4: me and my wife.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: It's like kind of my co host. Sometimes sometimes Nick's
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  Speaker 4: my co host. Sometimes they are lad So.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Drop us a line, you know where
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  Speaker 1: to find us.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody appreciate everybody making it, even the people in the chat.
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  Speaker 5: That's what's up all the questions. Yea, men's it was
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  Speaker 5: great stuff. Actually I appreciate it. That's why we go
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  Speaker 5: live and until the next one, everybody be well.
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  Speaker 1: Lad is out.
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  Speaker 8: Close your eyes, look into the darkness, find the blazing
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  Speaker 8: start focus on it will become the eclipse. Don't feel
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  Speaker 8: look the sure will be good.
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  Speaker 13: And death
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  Speaker 15: You shure