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Where is Luke Danes? Part 2 · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am all In. I Am all In with Scott
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  Speaker 1: Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. All Right, everybody, We've
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  Speaker 1: got a very special guest this week. Her name is
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  Speaker 1: Carla McClusky. She was the assistant director and uniproduction manager
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  Speaker 1: on The Gilmore Girls. And she was born in Madison, Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 1: um and she was assistant director for twenty seven episodes,
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  Speaker 1: and she was uniproduction manager from two thousand five two
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  Speaker 1: thousand six. She gained an immense amount of experience working
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  Speaker 1: in Hollywood and film and television. She's the mother to
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  Speaker 1: Brighton and Caitlin, a writer, a stroke survivor. She released
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  Speaker 1: a book Grandma Told Me So, Lessons in Life and
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  Speaker 1: Love in two thousand seven. She's also well known for
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  Speaker 1: her assistant directing in the closer Pretty Handsome, Ally mcbeel,
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  Speaker 1: Babylon five, If These Walls Could Talk, Color of Night,
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  Speaker 1: Jurassic Park, and much more. Ladies and gentlemen, Carla McCluskey, Carla,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing? Episodes? Got to that I solemnly swear,
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  Speaker 1: and shortly thereafter had a stroke during hiatus, so I
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  Speaker 1: was sidelined for a while. Oh my goodness, you directed
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  Speaker 1: a Gilmour episode. Yeah, it was mainly Um Alexis and
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  Speaker 1: I mean and it was it was Rory and Harris
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  Speaker 1: kind of episode fencing. Okay, well, now that you mentioned it,
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  Speaker 1: it is coming back to me a little bit that
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  Speaker 1: you did that. You did direct an episode. How interesting? Wow? Um,
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  Speaker 1: so tell us about, um, what is it to be
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  Speaker 1: an assistant director? What a job? What kind of jobs
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  Speaker 1: did you have on set? What did you have to do?
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  Speaker 1: It's probably the hardest job if if you everyone admits
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  Speaker 1: that just your responsible for everything. I mean wardrobe responsible
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  Speaker 1: for wardrobe, and sound is responsible for sound, and the
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  Speaker 1: assistant director is responsible for everything. And so you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to coordinate everything. You schedule the show, you decide what
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  Speaker 1: shot when. You have to have a time frame down
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  Speaker 1: so people know, like, you know, how long this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna take, how long that's gonna take. And um, you
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  Speaker 1: know it's very different on TV. Director doesn't have as
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  Speaker 1: much power as on a feature. Well on Gilmer Girls,
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  Speaker 1: it's Amy we all know that everything. But yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: just you know, you're the one bix. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: mainly just here you go rolling God, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: but there's so much more and you know, as you
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  Speaker 1: usually like the first one there and the last one
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  Speaker 1: to leave. That's more in the second category. But as
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  Speaker 1: a first assistant you just have more responsibilities. So what
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  Speaker 1: did you think of each character's trajectory on the show? Who?
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  Speaker 1: Who Are? Who are you? Who are? Who? Did you
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  Speaker 1: particularly notice change? Uh? In terms of you guys, I
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  Speaker 1: did the first show, so I saw, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: younger cast Alexis and was Dean, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jared. I mean the young people I just saw
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  Speaker 1: completely mature as not just actors but as people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So that was quite amazing. And I know in the
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  Speaker 1: whole Dean just met Wait, what's this really Logan thing?
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  Speaker 1: There's always you know, Dean isn't always the most popular,
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  Speaker 1: but I just rewatched an episode they asked me about
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  Speaker 1: and you know, he was he was just charming. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was so wonderful to start with everybody when you
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  Speaker 1: start with the show. First of all, you guys are
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  Speaker 1: with me, you know, when he brings someone new in,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes the actors and casts is like, yeah, what's this?
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  Speaker 1: But I always knew that you knew me and I
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  Speaker 1: knew you, and if I said something, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: had a wonderful before and it was great to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So um, I mean you and of course Lauren. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so many are just such professionals right away. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't um as as actors, you know, didn't see
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  Speaker 1: a huge change because you're always good, um and as people,
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  Speaker 1: you're mature adults, so there wasn't such a change then either.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if that's the question that you're
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  Speaker 1: asking or if the whole arc of the character or
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  Speaker 1: is that Oh that's fine, Oh that's great. Um um.
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  Speaker 1: So listen, we had pretty intense discussions in our last
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  Speaker 1: episode about all the relationships, especially Luke and Laurelies. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: did you see the connection between those two characters right away?
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  Speaker 1: Did you notice it? Yes, I definitely did. I mean
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  Speaker 1: there's a chemistry there. You know, there's definitely chemistry. And
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  Speaker 1: it was just you know, rewatching, you know, because I
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  Speaker 1: haven't really watched this. It's sort of a assing because
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  Speaker 1: I do all the fan festivals and the fans can
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  Speaker 1: recite every script by heart, you know, it's like amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And they asked me a question about something and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is twenty years ago or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of like and I haven't I don't rewatch
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  Speaker 1: them really and rewatching I'm going to rewatch them. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I watched one last night and I'm like, this is
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  Speaker 1: so good. I mean everything about it was so good
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  Speaker 1: and I just loved it and I can see why
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  Speaker 1: people love it so much, and I mean, I always
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  Speaker 1: love this show. I came in and they showed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and asked and I said, well, could I see this show?
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  Speaker 1: And they had the pilot episode and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is good. And every single time, no matter when
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  Speaker 1: I got the script, I'm going to be walking on
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  Speaker 1: the zet or something. It was great and the scripts
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  Speaker 1: were always and that does not happen a lot. When
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  Speaker 1: you're proud of something that you're doing, I'll work those
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  Speaker 1: eighteen hours or twenty hours or whatever because it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's wonderful. I mean, it's just it's so good, and
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  Speaker 1: it's certainly I can see why it's the huge hit
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  Speaker 1: that it is now. And from the beginning, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: spoiled me. That show spoiled me because I went on
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  Speaker 1: to do other shows and it just you know, they
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  Speaker 1: were good and great writing staffs and all that. But
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  Speaker 1: it was just it was different, you know, it was different.
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  Speaker 1: It was I'll be honest about it. I've done a
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  Speaker 1: lot of shows and everything, and this one was top notch,
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  Speaker 1: and and some other ones were good, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just not even nearly close anyway, Thank god, it
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  Speaker 1: was such a positive experience. So let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that Luke should have spoken up earlier
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  Speaker 1: to Laurela professing his love to her? In your opinion? No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't, And didn't you know what from the beginning?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. No, I think it means that whole storyline.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was wonderful. I mean, I the whole
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  Speaker 1: series would have been condensed much more quickly. I think
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  Speaker 1: I think it was important to go through all the
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  Speaker 1: different things and have her have other relationship ships and
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  Speaker 1: have this friendship. After all, what does a good relationship
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  Speaker 1: what is it based on? It's based on a friendship.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm best friends with my husband of forty
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  Speaker 1: five years. You know, it's just like and we're still
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  Speaker 1: mad in love. So I think that's a real good start,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the basis. And I don't you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it would have been I liked how it
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  Speaker 1: was done right. What do you think of Max, Max Medina?
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  Speaker 1: You're going to be testing me as some of this
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  Speaker 1: I liked. I like the actor. Oh no, without question,
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  Speaker 1: without a great No, Max is fine. I'm not remembering
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  Speaker 1: every story, you know it was. I can't think of
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  Speaker 1: someone I went, w Where's why they go there? You
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  Speaker 1: know that just wasn't aiming for one thing? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's there was you know, it played the way it
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  Speaker 1: was most flaying. How about Rory and Dean? What do
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  Speaker 1: you think of that whole arc? Lived Rien, Jess Ollive, Rorrien, Max,
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  Speaker 1: Just love y'all. That was great. It was just so sweet.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, those are the sweet years. It was so
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  Speaker 1: so so nice, and they've all gone on to such success.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's just fabulous to see, you know, great
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  Speaker 1: launching pad for those guys, you know, and girls. Um
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  Speaker 1: what about Emily and Laurela? What about that dynamic? What
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  Speaker 1: do you remember about that? It's fabulous? I mean to
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  Speaker 1: gros too. I mean there's just so great and such
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  Speaker 1: lovely people. And the episode that I did watch that
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  Speaker 1: they've mentioned to me, the people that are doing this, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot about their relationship and to
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  Speaker 1: see that it was Rory's dance. I don't know what,
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  Speaker 1: but anyway, that's what I was asked to watch. So
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  Speaker 1: I did watch that and to see, you know this
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  Speaker 1: there held this constantly conflict, conflict, but then to actually
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  Speaker 1: see in that particular episode, the love, the love that
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  Speaker 1: when she when Laurelae sleeping and then Emily like it
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  Speaker 1: puts her hair back, see that she's seeing her as
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  Speaker 1: this the little girl that she even says thank you mommy,
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  Speaker 1: thank you mommy, because she was heavily that's rue. And
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  Speaker 1: and of course, I mean in any family and most families,
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  Speaker 1: and know in my family there was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: discord and very different. They were very different and so
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  Speaker 1: um you know, you get it. It is. It is
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  Speaker 1: rather amazing that Emily thinks that she can walk into
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  Speaker 1: Laurelized house and give her what for and give her
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  Speaker 1: that level of disrespect. I mean, it just is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And I was so glad that she kicked her out
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  Speaker 1: of her house, like, get out of my house. You
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  Speaker 1: don't think this is a life, It's not good enough
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  Speaker 1: for you. Leave. That's so true. That's not an exaggeration.
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  Speaker 1: There are mothers and hopefully my girls will say I'm
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  Speaker 1: not like Fai, But there are mothers like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're like evil. Like some of the stories
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  Speaker 1: I hear, I'm like, oh my goodness. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like what one person said, they brought there, they were strange,
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  Speaker 1: and they bought their young daughter to finally meet this
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  Speaker 1: wicked mother, and mother says she's so pretty, she must
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  Speaker 1: take after her father. I mean, it's just like this classic,
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  Speaker 1: even worse than Emily Sin. What a what a what
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  Speaker 1: a complicated character? And what a what a complicated relationship?
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  Speaker 1: That is my god. It's like they just hate each other.
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  Speaker 1: They just absolutely hate each other, but they need each other.
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  Speaker 1: They underleath that they really don't. They still have that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there is this love connection even with the hate,
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  Speaker 1: tred or the complete both sides. You know. Let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you this, how important did you think that characters
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  Speaker 1: like Suki, Michelle Lane, Miss Patty Kirk are to the Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think they were just so important each one. And
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  Speaker 1: I actually I've written two books, and my first book
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  Speaker 1: has a lot about memories come from stars hollow. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: that's right, c upload I Wisconsin, he said Madison. But
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  Speaker 1: it's a little town outside of medicine. And I had
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  Speaker 1: the craziest characters and you know, writing about all of
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  Speaker 1: the drudy at the bakery, but I mean that's so important.
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  Speaker 1: Each one of those characters was so well defined and
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  Speaker 1: unique and wonderful. You just love them. They're so great
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  Speaker 1: and to and to be um, oh my gosh and
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  Speaker 1: blaking that his name uh was right there? Who played
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of different characters, so it was the crazy guy,
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  Speaker 1: like the cable guy, and he was I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: played a variety of those characters. But I mean they're
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  Speaker 1: just such such amazing, you know, I I think they're
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  Speaker 1: so wonderfully. I mean, that's the whole secret to having
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  Speaker 1: a great show, as you have all these characters that
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  Speaker 1: are so come fleet and unique, and you you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like now, so who would be I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, you know what really hit hit me
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  Speaker 1: last night watching the episode was what a scene stealer
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  Speaker 1: that Melissa McCarthy is. When she comes on screen, it's
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  Speaker 1: like you can't watch anybody else. It's just h I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what a star quality she has and it was apparent
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  Speaker 1: right away. And the comedy bits she's doing are not
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  Speaker 1: easily done. When she sprays herself in the eyes and
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  Speaker 1: her I mean delivering the dialogue that way and doing
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  Speaker 1: the physicality of it and then coming back out and
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  Speaker 1: having a good conversation with those two. You're never going like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: come on, the wrong way for Emily and the wrong
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  Speaker 1: way for you know. It's just like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: And she's so so just just every time she's on screen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she just takes she runs away with a scene. She's
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  Speaker 1: the most talented her and good god. So you were
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  Speaker 1: assistant director from the beginning, in the early years, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: did you have any idea when you started out how
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  Speaker 1: important the show would become to so many people around
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  Speaker 1: the world In the show I had to be a
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  Speaker 1: huge hit right away. So I'm not at all surprised,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. I felt the same way when I
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  Speaker 1: read the pilot. I thought, this is I'll never get this.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna be a big show, um or at
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  Speaker 1: least for that network, is gonna be big. But I
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  Speaker 1: predicted five years. I was wrong by two. Well I
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  Speaker 1: think it would have kept going, you know, boy, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we can talk about that. Yeah. It was interesting too,
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  Speaker 1: because I was there, like live there it was my life.
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  Speaker 1: And then after I had this stroke, I mean I directed.
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  Speaker 1: Then I was envisioning that I would keep direct Dean
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  Speaker 1: and I had the stroke and so I was but
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  Speaker 1: they kept They were such a wonderful show for me.
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  Speaker 1: Amy just was amazing and everybody and um, so they
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  Speaker 1: even when I couldn't work, I mean it was a
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  Speaker 1: big one. Um they had me because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people would come on and and to break down these shows.
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  Speaker 1: They were very complicated, and they would ask me to
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  Speaker 1: do it while I was home. And then when I
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  Speaker 1: actually could work, then they brought me back as the
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  Speaker 1: production manager, which is a very difficult job and lots
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  Speaker 1: of stuff, but you don't have to be on the
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  Speaker 1: set all the time, which was difficult for me at
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  Speaker 1: that time. And so they really let me. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it was they supported me throughout, which I will always
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  Speaker 1: always be great. And then I had my mother had,
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  Speaker 1: you know, became ill, and so then I ultimately had
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  Speaker 1: to leave and I got this great job as an
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  Speaker 1: executive at Sony. So I went for that and went
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  Speaker 1: to Madrid. But other than that, I love the show
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  Speaker 1: and I said Caitlin down there so she could report
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  Speaker 1: back and George, Um, what are the really juicy behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes stuff that you can tell us talk about
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  Speaker 1: if I don't do that, really you have a specific
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  Speaker 1: thing and it would only be positive. I mean the
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  Speaker 1: last night's episode. I remember sometime. I mean, we just
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  Speaker 1: laughed so much. We were so sleep deprived, and there
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  Speaker 1: was and I don't remember. I think it might have
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  Speaker 1: been that episode because I just remember because Laura Laie
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  Speaker 1: Lauren was on the floor so when that dress came
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  Speaker 1: down and hit her and caused the back problem, and thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that was it because we're in the living room
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  Speaker 1: and I just remember we just we're all just cracking up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like as an actor when you can't get that,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, it broke up this glory again.
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  Speaker 1: But we weren't filmed, you know, we couldn't even like
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  Speaker 1: roll again. We couldn't do anything. Lauren could do it.
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  Speaker 1: And it was it was probably like four o'clock in
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  Speaker 1: the morning or something, but just the laughter and the camaraderie,
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  Speaker 1: and we would go out after Friday on Friday nights,
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  Speaker 1: you know, would either be in the camera truck or
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  Speaker 1: else we go out with Amy and Dan and especially
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning and just have a blast and our
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  Speaker 1: rap parties. At one rap party, I think I gotta
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  Speaker 1: lead it to Gypsy and I was sort of embarrassed,
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  Speaker 1: like I thought, oh my god. And I went the
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  Speaker 1: next day and I apologized to Amy. I said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sorry, she's oh my god. I left you all
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  Speaker 1: the more for that. And then when I was direct
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  Speaker 1: Dorothy Parker Productions, Drink here, Dorothy Parker Drink here Productions. There.
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  Speaker 1: When I was directing, I was so exhausted because you
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  Speaker 1: really had to be like, how am I shooting this?
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  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. And I live in Malibu,
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  Speaker 1: so that's like another two hour driver hour driver or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So I actually stayed in somebody's dressing room. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It was a nice one. And and so one of
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  Speaker 1: the nights the guard came and said, no, I just
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  Speaker 1: saw the slower. It was just what's going on. I said, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just here, don't worry, and Amy can do this
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  Speaker 1: his honey, you can't sleep in the dressing room. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't do that anymore. Why liability issue for the studio,
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  Speaker 1: Like if there was a nearthquake or some something, nobody
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  Speaker 1: knows you there I said, well, tyl M, I'm here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just get me if there's problem. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: you know, they get your car, they'll get you home, right.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody speaking of sleeping, I can't do it, but lunch
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  Speaker 1: are everybody had his spot and they all took him
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  Speaker 1: and were sound. It's like I remember the Lance and
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  Speaker 1: everybody was like, there's now away here, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: you just utterly exhausted. The show is a grind. I
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  Speaker 1: want to grind. Wow, did you did you find did
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  Speaker 1: you like the days that we would shoot the town
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  Speaker 1: hall meetings because it was just the one location. Well,
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  Speaker 1: those easier days on you. Nothing is easy, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And and all the actors are there. I mean they're
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  Speaker 1: hysterical when you get um, oh my god, that bet
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  Speaker 1: and Mrs Betty. I know, I know, I'm thinking, um,
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  Speaker 1: come on, Amy, tell me who my talk was? Babette,
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  Speaker 1: Sally and Pats telling this together? You mean the set
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  Speaker 1: just I'm like, I'm losing control here. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 1: all And it was also often really hot in there
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  Speaker 1: because it gets hot in the valley and we had
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  Speaker 1: to be tented in because it's a night scene, and
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  Speaker 1: so we're all like whipping wet and and it was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of work. Any of those I personally preferred,
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  Speaker 1: you know, two people in the room that was my favorite.
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  Speaker 1: All of that going on, it's a huge deal for
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  Speaker 1: an a D or for lots of the production stuff.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: It's a big, big, big thing when you have so
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: many actors and extras and coordinating everything. You know, it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it was worked. So when you were directing, what were
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the most difficult scenes for you to direct? You know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: it really came naturally because you know, I've been doing
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the chauffeurs along. I'm like, hey, and I knew the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: style and they knew you know, so it wasn't really difficult.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: It was I felt bad because when my last day,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I remember, um, how make in Paris is the wonderful
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: actors Liza wheel Tisa. Okay, so Liza was it was
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a big fencing scene with everybody stunts and fencing and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: all this other stuff and lies against the script the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: day before and she the next day's work, which I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: didn't schedule. The next day D scheduled had her with
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: these like ten page monologues or I mean something, I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: mean not tempage, but a huge monologue. So she's like, oh,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: my god, I have to memories all this and I'm
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: in the middle of fencing, and you know, so I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: felt bad for them, but I loved it and it
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: worked out fine. There was one time I remember, and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know which part, but it was like four
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and I think I turned to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Michael the the DP and I'm like, you gotta help
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: me here. I don't know if I can't even remember
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: my name right now, Michael Price. Yeah, but I did.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: It was fun there because I really modeled, like I
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen that episode, but you should
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: bring me back when that episode on, because I did
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: all the President's Men, when the deep throat scene, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: there's a scene that's I shot it scene shot for
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: shot as the scene in the in the parking lot anyway,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: not but I love it. Carla. We want to have
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you on all the time. Your stories are great, stories,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: keep keeping coming coming. I don't want to know if
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Carla is team Logan just is team all I loved,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I mean you, not love them all, I mean my
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: low Jared, I mean they're all you know. I probably
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: worked the most with them, but I did do stuff
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: with Matt such a great guy. I mean, they were
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: all just the sweet eat his people besides being you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the sweetest characters are best characters or you know, it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: just And I also worked on We're going to do
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a spinoff sort of with Milo and so I did
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that too with skateboarding and a lot of stuff like that,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and so you know, they're just all the best. With
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: rob Estus, yeah, you know they shot the pilot down
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: there in Venice Venice Beach. Yeah yeah. Um, so we
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: had George Bell on recently and uh, you know it
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: leads to the question, how did your daughter get into
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: actually becoming or even a part time dialogue coach? Well,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I brought you you both of your dialect coachs because
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: as you know, everybody's getting fired. I mean, we went
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: through more crew than you can. Our department has gone
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: okay this, you know, everybody was fired, and so we
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: needed when I worked my husband new George, like when
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: they were like seventeen, you know, they my husband went
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to Juilliard for acting, but before he went to Juilliard,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: he went to Northbridge where he met George. And George
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: is our lifelong like best friend, and I got him.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: He worked with me on hook and he was a
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: great he did. I said, I need somebody for these
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: last boys, George, and so I really started him on
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: his dialogue coaching journey, which actually was really on Gilmer Girls.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But George. Everybody loves George is everybody in my whole life.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Everybody loves George. I mean he's in my book actually,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And I staid talking about relationships with friends, and I'm like,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: George Bell and I wrote about it. But so I'm thinking, like, okay,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: everybody was at wood Stands, who can we bring in?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I gotta have the perfect man. I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: have the perfect person, you know, to have and um
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and so we got George and everybody loved him, you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and he was the best and it was great. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: then George was just overwhelmed, especially he was gonna quit.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Like the first night, he goes, oh my god, because
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there on the set and it was just horrible.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But but it all worked out. But um so then
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: later on, and I don't know what season, but one
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: of the later seasons, he says, I just can't do this.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: This is all the time, you know, I have to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: have a break. And so he wanted someone to fill
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: in and came to me and I was a production
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: manager at the time and I was just talking at
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: home and everything, and I said, I have to think
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of somebody. And Katon said, I can do that. She
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: was actually going to USC, she graduated from USC. And
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: she says, I could do that. And I'm like, honey,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: they're gonna eat you speak you out because no one
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: likes to be said you missed the thaw in the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: last you know or whatever. You know, the minutia that
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you have to be on top of, and it's not
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: an easy show for a new person to come on.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: They'll be eating up by everybody, including Amy. And I said, honey,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think so she said, no, no, I know
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I can do it. And I'm like, okay. And she did.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: She did a great job. The cast all her everybody
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: loved her. It was fine. Yeah, she did great. Um,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and we got I mean, we really needed her, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: we really needed George and uh, you know, he made
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the days shorter, he made the work better, um. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: he took off a lot of stress on that set
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: because before he came along, you remember what it was like.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: It was boy, a lot of people going up on
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: their lines. You know, everybody was pretty much going up
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: on their lines like more often possible job for a
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: script supervisor, which is all we had, and it was
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: sure Starbuck, I think was awful. Lot of spokes christ supervisors,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Oh mom, good every time. Like I'd have to fire
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of the people when I became production matter
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I don't want you to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: take this personally. It's nothing to do with you, you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: it's just this is just you know, the thing. But anyway, um,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: but to keep track of I mean, a script supervisor's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: job is continuity, to make sure like if the person
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was drinking the glass and the first cut and where,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you know, just to make sure everything Matt is and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to correct the dialogue. But it's a complicated job, you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: it's it's right up there with a D. But not
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like anyway as far as difficulty, but in numbers of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: hours put in. But it's just too much because you
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: really have to just be focused on the script or
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: working with the actors and you're trying to do your
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: notes in between shots, so you really can't go to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the actor's dressing room. I mean, it's very very difficult.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: So the idea of bringing in some and just for
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that was essential and I think that made a huge difference,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and the right person made the huge difference. And there
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, it was going through script supervisors as
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you noticed episode Oh my goodness, that was it was.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: It really did seem that way. You're right, there was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: always we had an editor that was wanted what she wanted,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and I mean you had to adapt to a lot
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of people and they ran a tight ship over there. Wow,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that's what made it so great though, you know, that's
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: what made it great. Um, but I think it was
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: really did you personally? Do you think it was a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: budgeting issue? Like if there was a larger budget for
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the show, a lot of these problems wouldn't rear their
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: ugly heads. No. I think something it was a budgeting
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: problem is just the demands placed on the crew and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the cast because of the density of the dialogue, long
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: hours or what or what I mean our budget we
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: because you know, shooting long hours. I tell people for
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: years this, you know, you don't gain anything and you're
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: got into triple gold time or something. It's not it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: not cost saving to shoot such long hours. I mean
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: you're going your overtime budget is you know, you'll be
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: lucky to you know, be at all in the black
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: every episode being the red. I mean, that isn't a
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: good way to shoot, let alone for safety. For every
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: everybody's your your brain dead. I mean, how you remember
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: your lines at for or and afterwards. It's crazy, So
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that's not a wise thing. But I don't remember really
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: budget constraints. Amy pretty much had a free rank. But
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Amy wanted Amy got pretty much, and so I don't
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: remember like, oh my goodness, we can't have a crane here.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: If she wanted crane, we got a crane. Yeah, yeah,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: we did have the stuff, didn't we Um. Yeah, it's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: just the density, the length of the scripts. The eight
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: page scripts were normal hours what sixty five the scripts
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: right pages? And it was not in the dialogue. I
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: mean it was it was you know, twenty twenty bigger
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and longer in pages, but maybe fifty to sevent in
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: just sheer amount of words. Um right, But you have
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to realize you're also going but you speaking so quickly,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and a lot of shows are like I mean, I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: think with all the good directors I've worked with, their
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: most common direction, even the most the biggest directors is
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: what do you think on our show? No, on any show,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and especially even on big shows. Most common direct from
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and in some directors who are very very famous, it
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: was really their only director. Probably faster, funnier, faster, just faster, faster,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: faster TV. TV doesn't allow much time to indulge in anything. Well, no,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: just to speaking faster, you know, like if you have
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: a if you see a show that's directed by an actor,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: actors indulged themselves much more because he's an actor. But
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: most directors want an actor to speed it up and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: not be like and then I felt they want to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: go and then to go, but you know they don't
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: want it. Yeah, pitty the poor directors that would come
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: up and give you line readings. You know, it's like wow,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: but it happens. It happens. Sometimes it has to happen,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of yeah, no, no, not good,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you're not good. Yeah, are you ready for rapid Fire?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: One thing about the Rapid Fire, you have to realize
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that everybody who worked on the show, not I mean
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: as crew or whatever, not just the cast. But if
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I speak very quickly, as you probably noticed, Amy loves
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that if I would bring someone on for a job,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it's just, oh my god, it just talks us slowly,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and you'd only get Amy sometimes like okay, Amy, So
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: what do you think I'd have to go that quickly
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to get whatever I was gonna grab while she's walking
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom or something, you know, and so you
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: have to speak very quickly, which I just normally do.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I had two older sisters, so to get anything in
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: at dinner, I believe. But so hopefully I'll have answers
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: as quickly you're gonna do fine? Okay, ready? Are they
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the same questions for everybody? I can't reveal that. Well,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I've never seen your show, so I have no idea.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Here we go, fasten your seatb out here we go?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: How do you How do you take your coffee? I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: don't drink off story? Can you smell snow? Oh yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I come from Wisconsin. He let go. Are your team Logan,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Jess or Dean? We answered that already as team all
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: of them. Who's the daddy? I don't care. It's Luke,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: probably Mad. I don't know. That'll be like the Channel
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: J version that they run it at one am. Okay.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Best memory of Gilmore Girls Oh my god, just are laughing,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you know it was, it's just what's the best? And
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the scripts opening in the script for the first time,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I'm reading and going, whoa great? And how the heck
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: am I going to shoot this? Uh show? You're binge
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: watching right now? You don't watch TV. I'm a documentary girl. Sorry,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: cast member you texted? Most recently, I haven't. Georgia and
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I keep in touch all the time while he was
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: a guest memory did he played parts? But I really haven't.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen each other for like sixteen
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: years or something. I don't know. I mean, I haven't
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: really kept in contact. Well, I renewed contact with the winter, Spring,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: summer fall, you know, you know, with Lauren and Alexis
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and but when I was up in Canada, I was
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: up in Toronto a couple of years ago. Yes, oh yeah, fantastic,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: but it was such a whirlwind. I didn't really get
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to see anybody. And the fan festivals it's very close.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: It's wonderful, all the all the wonderful cast members, and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I blanking who I hang I hang out with George
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and most but um I brought Georgia on stage with
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: festivals from Liz to you know, Emily, all of them,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody that's there. I obviously share wonderful things,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: but I don't text them. I'm not a great texture.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I'm learning because that's all the younger generation does, and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I've got lots of younger generations. Carla, absolute pleasure to
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: talk to you, and we'll talk to you again. This
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: was This was fun. It was really fun. I had
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a great time. I love talking about the Gilmer Girls,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and it really is. That's why I love the Van festivals.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm there, I'll go whatever, and I
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: just you know, I'm watching the shows for the first time,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and they're so good. They're so good it's blowing my
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: You asked, next time, what is the show that I've
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: been watched, I'll say, and I can't how many people
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that I've run into in Malibu even and then you
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: know what I did during COVID, I'm like, no, what
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I got? I bench watched gilmar I feel good. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: have fans that tell me they've watched at least one
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: episode a day to this day. Every day. Yes, I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: whoa okay, but my husband was so because he's a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: wonderful actor. He's an amazing artist, but he would always
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: joke with me because, so, what's the line this week?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Does Laura like get a new refrigerator? You know you
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: have to realize that, you know, they weren't like heavy duty,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: although they were, but you know, it was kind of
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: funny that you know there would be something that was
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: because it was life. You know. I worked with Tom
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Hanks on The Burbs and and um, I think it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: was one of the first films. I was the first time,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and he just always did something in a gesture or
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: whatever that was so true to life. You know. It
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: was like, that's that's what makes it. You know, it
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: just is it's just getting that everyone can relate to quality,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like yeah, and in that skilm are girls too, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: that really is and all the wonderful actors and acting
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: very special, very special little world. That was, Um god,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they're going to do more. I wonder,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I wonder wonder if Netflix. Oh, by the way, the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: other thing that I said, my younger daughter who's now
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: like she just shot Batman. She's like all of them,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: but she was this this avid reader. She went to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Vassar and she read all the time, so Dan and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I would you know, orry reading all the books and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: he goes, just what are you reading now? And you
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: know we have all this stuff that you know we
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: could be because she was worried. That's who she was,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: you know, amazing more. I have no idea. I'm sure
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: everyone would love it, but you know, maybe, you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: just an hour or two hour movie. I don't know.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's just so hard to get everybody together. You
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: know what? We should do another season? Why not? The
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Netflix thing was fun. I'm too old. I just celebrated
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: my seventies. No way, are you serious? Wow? Oh my god, wow,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: um listen, thank you so much for your time. And
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I know you uh, you're out there in Malibou. You
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: probably want to hit the surf. Yeah, that's where I'm
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: going next. You got you know what I'm actually doing next.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You will not believe it. Five. I have to go
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: down and say goodbye to my wonderful ups man as
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a surprise because he's retiring. He just was the best.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: So that's where I'm going. Wow, Malibu a little bit
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: like stars Hollow with the beach, and I'm taking my
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: two a half year old granddaughter, Layton Phoenix, who was
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: born after the horrific another story, Woolsey fires that destroyed
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: my neighborhood. My husband and I stayed and fought the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: fire and saved her home and um but every during COVID,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I'm taking her out, walking her around the neighborhood and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: nobody's here, but the ups may would come by and like, Hey,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm That's why I said I had an appointment.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: They're really important things these times. They are Carla, you
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: definitely get best Chair award. I love that. You should
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: see the room. Sometimes you check out Lee McCloskey, um
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: L E I G. H. Mcclowsky dot com or age
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Lee J. McCloskey. I'm sitting in a room that you
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: will freaking not believe every most amazing, mind blowing thing.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And we have events before COVID and after, well not
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: after uh Gilmer Girls, because I did other shows. When
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I retired, we started having events at our home. I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: would have four or five events in my home open
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to the every week. People thought I was nuts, But
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: people because is that is Lee your husband. He's gorgeous.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I know he's I was like, oh my god, what
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: in the worlds He's like a movie star. I'm like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: he's an amazing actor and has a huge resume. Blah
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: blah blah. The picture that comes up is as him.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: He's gorgeous and he always has oh my on everyone listen.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Met him my first day in the business, my very
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: first day as an assistant director trainee, and he was
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the star of this show. How long have you been married?
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