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Matthew Liberatore joins Cardinal Territory: New pitch brewing, Opening Day SP goals, Bff teammate · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes, alongside Lance Lynn, Matt Holliday, Kyle Gibson had
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  Speaker 1: other business to attend to, but with us today Cardinal
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  Speaker 1: starting pitcher Matthew Libertore and I think it's a real treat.
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  Speaker 1: Hello Matthew. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me on.
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  Speaker 4: Hey you can say Happy New Year. You haven't talked
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  Speaker 4: to him till today, so that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Happy New Year, Happy New Year.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was great last year eight and twelve
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  Speaker 1: as a starter four point twenty one era. Your first
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  Speaker 1: full year as a starter, you had twenty nine starts.
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  Speaker 1: There were some ups and downs, this happens every season.
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  Speaker 1: A little issue with VLO that you said wasn't necessarily physical,
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  Speaker 1: it was mechanical. So my first question, and I think
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  Speaker 1: Lance would back this up that it's a brilliant one.
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  Speaker 1: What is your takeaway from your first full season starting games?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, last year did a lot of learning, probably more
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  Speaker 5: than I ever had in my career before. I think
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  Speaker 5: one of the biggest things.
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  Speaker 2: From me was adding on a few extra pounds just.
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  Speaker 5: To give myself some more durability, you know, coming out
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  Speaker 5: of that relief roll in twenty four having thrown like
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  Speaker 5: eighty six eighty seven innings and then jumping all the
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  Speaker 5: way up to one hundred and fifty two the following year,
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  Speaker 5: I just felt like I wanted to add a little
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  Speaker 5: more durability to my body, and so I've done that
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  Speaker 5: this offseason, and then just making sure that my mechanics
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  Speaker 5: are dialed.
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  Speaker 2: In and know.
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  Speaker 5: What kind of things I can do to get myself
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  Speaker 5: back into a good spot if I were to fall
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  Speaker 5: out a sink again, because I don't. I think it
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  Speaker 5: would be foolish to think that that will never happen again,
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  Speaker 5: or that I'll never feel that way again. So really
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  Speaker 5: just creating some systems and some strategies to help me
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  Speaker 5: better deal with it the next time I face it.
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  Speaker 4: We've talked about this earlier this year. Everyone talks about, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: what you saw from Libby's first year starting compared to this,
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  Speaker 4: and that people don't understand, like you can start all
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  Speaker 4: through the minor leagues. What was the difference from like hey,
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  Speaker 4: in the minor leagues to the big league day in
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  Speaker 4: and day out rotation compared to like that physical grind,
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  Speaker 4: mental grind. You can do all the what your probably
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  Speaker 4: most starts you ever had in the minor leagues was
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  Speaker 4: twenty five to twenty seven in a season. But it's
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  Speaker 4: still different. Even though you know you're only gonna have
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  Speaker 4: thirty to thirty three if you do a full year,
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  Speaker 4: it's still a different type of grind. Can you explain
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of the things that you learn that
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  Speaker 4: you can make it even better in year two of
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  Speaker 4: fully doing it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think the best way I could
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  Speaker 5: describe the difference is, you know, I got to start
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  Speaker 5: the future game when I was in the minor leagues,
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  Speaker 5: and I feel like every start in the big leagues
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  Speaker 5: was similar to that feeling up that start, which is
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  Speaker 5: one start that whole year as a triple A player,
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  Speaker 5: And so you know, there's four thousand fans in the
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  Speaker 5: stadium every night, You're playing meaningful games every night against
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  Speaker 5: the absolute best competition in the entire world. So the
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  Speaker 5: stakes are definitely heightened, the expectations are heightened, and uh,
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  Speaker 5: it's a lot more stressful on the body and on
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  Speaker 5: the mind than throwing them minor league games, for sure. Uh.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think I've put a lot of time
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  Speaker 5: and effort into the mental side of the game this
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  Speaker 5: aw season. Uh, you know, I have a mental skills
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  Speaker 5: coach that I work with. We're extremely organized. Uh, trying
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  Speaker 5: to do as much visualization as possible. Really, just trying
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  Speaker 5: to put myself mentally in those positions before I ever
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  Speaker 5: have to be in them, so that when I when
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  Speaker 5: I do face those circumstances, you know, it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 5: like it's the first time when it's taken me by surprise.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I want to step on that nound the
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  Speaker 5: first game of the year and feel like it's the thousands.
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  Speaker 5: It's the thousandth time that I'm throwing that game already.
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  Speaker 5: So there've been a big emphasis on the mental side
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  Speaker 5: of things as well as the physical and mechanical side
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  Speaker 5: of things.
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  Speaker 1: Also some changes for the Cardinals starting rotation. Sonny Gray
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  Speaker 1: traded away that bringing dustin May now you're a guy
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  Speaker 1: though with the years you've been at it, you were
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  Speaker 1: in the bullpen before you became a starter. Uh, is
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  Speaker 1: there more of a leadership role for you? Do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I know, you guys got great coaches. You know, Dusty
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  Speaker 1: is a great pitching coach, But does that kind of
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  Speaker 1: kind of add to what's put on your plate to
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  Speaker 1: be sort of a leader, because probably gonna be. And
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  Speaker 1: there's other veterans in the mix too, but there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be some young guys in there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely gonna be the youngest clubhouse I've ever
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  Speaker 5: been a part of. You know, we don't have anybody
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  Speaker 5: like lyonce who has been around and done this for
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  Speaker 5: a very long time, has so much knowledge and wisdom
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  Speaker 5: and you know, has really just seen all the different
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  Speaker 5: sides of this game. Uh. You know, Fortunately for me
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  Speaker 5: in my short career so far, I feel like I've
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  Speaker 5: I've had a lot of experience with different things, and
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  Speaker 5: I've gone through a lot of different things which I
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  Speaker 5: think can provide some value for or some guys that
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  Speaker 5: might go through something similar. So, you know, if I'm
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  Speaker 5: able to help in any way, I'd obviously love to
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  Speaker 5: step into that role. I'm by no means am I
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  Speaker 5: going to call myself a bit or say that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I should be the leader of the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I want everybody as a group to be better than
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  Speaker 5: they were yesterday, and so if there's a role that
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  Speaker 5: I can step into that helps facilitate that.
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  Speaker 3: Somewhat you know, I'm all for it. No, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you're looking at what Jim as you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're looking at a spot where you've got dm A
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  Speaker 4: coming in who's obviously known as being a great guy.
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  Speaker 4: You got a good group of young guys that you've
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  Speaker 4: come up with or that you've been able to be
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  Speaker 4: a part of them coming up to the big leagues
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  Speaker 4: with what are you looking forward to as being a
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  Speaker 4: part of a deep staff this year but also a
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  Speaker 4: staff that's all trying to truly establish themselves of every
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  Speaker 4: day the ability to make starts every five days and
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  Speaker 4: being part of that. Have you talked to Dusty a
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  Speaker 4: little bit about, Hey, this is what I experienced last year,
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  Speaker 4: this is what I'm going to you know, hoping to
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  Speaker 4: improve on this year, and then how that can help
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  Speaker 4: the guys around you, whether it's McGreevy or whether it's
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  Speaker 4: Leahy going to transfer, you know, maybe in to get
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  Speaker 4: some starts this year. So you're kind of a guy
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  Speaker 4: who's done it all so far in a short period
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  Speaker 4: of time. You got the short end of the stick
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  Speaker 4: at times too, kind of like Layy did. So I
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  Speaker 4: think there's a you know, and it even Polante's dealt
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  Speaker 4: with some of the same things you've dealt with too,
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  Speaker 4: So you guys have all I guess McGreevy has too,
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  Speaker 4: if you start looking at the way everybody's been bounced
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  Speaker 4: around and done stuff. So you guys got a group
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  Speaker 4: of people that want to prove that you belong in
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  Speaker 4: rotations and that everyone knows you.
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  Speaker 3: Guys have that ability.
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  Speaker 4: How are you guys going to kind of bond together
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  Speaker 4: here to make sure everybody is going in the same direction. So, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we belong here and we can we can help carrying
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  Speaker 4: his staff as this group.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, I think we've got
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of guys that do believe in themselves and
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  Speaker 5: do believe that they are bigly starting the church, which
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  Speaker 5: I think is a great place to start from. I
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  Speaker 5: think having a group of relatively younger guys, you know,
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  Speaker 5: DestinE maybe maybe a year or two older than some
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  Speaker 5: of us, but having a group of relatively younger guys,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be good because they bring a
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  Speaker 5: certain hunger, you know. Besides Dustin, I wouldn't say that
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  Speaker 5: anybody in our our rotation has been doing this for
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  Speaker 5: a very long time, and so you have a lot
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  Speaker 5: of guys that are really looking to establish themselves and
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  Speaker 5: make a name for themselves and really define what their
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  Speaker 5: role is in that rotation, including myself, and I think
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  Speaker 5: that that can be a really fun place to work
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  Speaker 5: from and grow from because there's competition amongst us, and
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  Speaker 5: not that we're competing against each other, but you know,
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  Speaker 5: we're all pushing each other to be the best version
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  Speaker 5: of ourselves possible, and I think that that's a really
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  Speaker 5: good breeding ground for growth and development.
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  Speaker 1: I think we brought this up last week on the
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  Speaker 1: show Lance. I'm pretty sure on the last show we did.
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  Speaker 1: But opening day Starter, I think it means a lot
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  Speaker 1: to fans. I don't know if it means a lot
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  Speaker 1: to younger pictures, but your name was drawn out maybe
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  Speaker 1: May does.
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  Speaker 4: It means a lot of every starting picture Jim?
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  Speaker 1: So does it matter to you, if be honest with us,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to be the Cardinals opening day Starter?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a fair question.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie on it and make something
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  Speaker 5: I've thought about since the season ended. You know, whether
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  Speaker 5: that that honor is given to me or not is
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  Speaker 5: not one hundred percent in my control. But I'd be
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  Speaker 5: lying if I'm sad if I said that, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: doing everything in my power to force their hand on that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Jim, you don't want you don't want any
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  Speaker 4: other answer to be.
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  Speaker 3: Said than that right there.
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  Speaker 4: That tells you what kind of competitor Libby is, but
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  Speaker 4: also what he believes his abilities are. He believes that
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  Speaker 4: he's an ace and he has a stuff and we've saw,
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  Speaker 4: as he said, we saw times of that last year
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  Speaker 4: when he was able to do it. But that's the
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  Speaker 4: growing process is how can we sustain it for thirty
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  Speaker 4: plus starts throughout a year and he's doing the things
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  Speaker 4: that he needs to do mentally, My question would be
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  Speaker 4: going forward physically, when you're talking about pitch usage and stuff,
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  Speaker 4: is that Is there anything that was glaring that you
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  Speaker 4: and the industry and the pitching staff coaches have talked
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  Speaker 4: about this offseason that might be able to make maybe
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  Speaker 4: things uptick. Maybe a righty or a lefty maybe help
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  Speaker 4: you get through games a little easier. Is there anything
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  Speaker 4: that's kind of stuck out that might be a thing
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  Speaker 4: going into spring training?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I know my slaughter is going to be
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  Speaker 5: my best wipeout pitch against right handed hitter is and
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  Speaker 5: I'll try and get into this without giving away too
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  Speaker 5: many secrets in case any competition is watching.
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  Speaker 3: But good idea. I like that I that a little
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  Speaker 3: on the second half.
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  Speaker 5: It turned into a kind of a blended cutter for me,
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  Speaker 5: and I lost a lot of swing and miss because
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  Speaker 5: of that. So really making sure that I'm homed in
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  Speaker 5: on that shape and what that feels like coming out
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  Speaker 5: of my hand to start the year, I think is
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  Speaker 5: going to be very beneficial for me.
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  Speaker 2: And then there is.
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  Speaker 5: A potential extra pitch in the works now that I
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  Speaker 5: think could help me quite a bit against right handed hitters.
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  Speaker 5: I'll break it out in spring this year, but I've
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  Speaker 5: been throning bullpens this offseason so far, and I think
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  Speaker 5: that it could it could really be a weapon for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't give a scouting report on that, but that's
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  Speaker 1: good news that you've expanded the repertoire. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes, Lance Lynn. Our guest today is Matthew Libertor.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate him coming on. This is Cardinal territory. So Matthew,
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  Speaker 1: you're honest about you want to start opening day. You're
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  Speaker 1: honest at You've added a pitch, but you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to tell us what it is. We appreciate that. My
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  Speaker 1: question is, do you set goals for yourself? Number goals,
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  Speaker 1: and if they are could you share them with us?
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  Speaker 5: Dude, I think the way I look at goal setting
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  Speaker 5: is maybe a little different how other people do. I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't say that I choose numbers to look at by
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  Speaker 5: the end of the season.
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  Speaker 3: I think that can be somewhat missing. At times.
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  Speaker 5: I try and judge my outings based off of what
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  Speaker 5: we call on execution journal, And so you know, every pitch,
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  Speaker 5: the only thing that you have the ability to control
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  Speaker 5: is deciding what to throw in your commitment to throwing it,
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  Speaker 5: and then your ability to execute on that commitment.
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  Speaker 3: And so I'll go.
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  Speaker 2: Back through every outing after and do this journal.
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  Speaker 5: Where I watch each pitch and I think about what
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to do with that pitch, where I wanted
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  Speaker 5: to throw it, what the plan was, and did I
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  Speaker 5: execute or did I not? And so you know, if
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  Speaker 5: I can maintain above a seventy percent execution rate outing
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  Speaker 5: after outing, I'm usually in a pretty good spot. And
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  Speaker 5: we will track and one on one counts two I
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  Speaker 5: started tracking two strike kill counts a little bit last year,
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  Speaker 5: but that's how i'd judge it. And so I'd say
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  Speaker 5: I have a threashold that I would to stay abolved
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  Speaker 5: throughout the course of the season. And I think that
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  Speaker 5: if I do that, the numbers will take care of themselves.
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  Speaker 4: Now, that's a good way to do it. Back when
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  Speaker 4: I was coming up, Jim, you're asking him, is it
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  Speaker 4: what's your numbers? I want to make thirty three starts,
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  Speaker 4: I want to throw two hundred innings, and I want
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  Speaker 4: to win fifteen games. Right, those were kind of the
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  Speaker 4: ideas of the old days when you came up. But
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  Speaker 4: the way your process oriented, which I don't think fans
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  Speaker 4: understand some of it, some of them do, like old fans.
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  Speaker 4: If you do what you're talking about right now, you're
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  Speaker 4: going to look up at the end of the year,
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  Speaker 4: you're going to be above five hundred pitcher with ten
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  Speaker 4: plus wins, with you know, your one hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 4: plus innings and your thirty plus starts. Because it's processed
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  Speaker 4: day to day. You're a very process oriented person. Is
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  Speaker 4: there anything that you've done to kind of I see
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  Speaker 4: that you've you've added some things, right, You've added a
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  Speaker 4: layer of it post start and all that too, which
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  Speaker 4: is great for you because I feel like sometimes you
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  Speaker 4: were a throat over you would go throw through things
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  Speaker 4: instead of maybe using these abilities to think through things
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  Speaker 4: so you don't have to throw as much to feel it.
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  Speaker 4: I think you've gotten to the point now I'm hoping
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  Speaker 4: or while we're talking, right, it's like, Okay, I know
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  Speaker 4: what I struggled with my last start. Does that make
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  Speaker 4: sense because I went through my postgame, my check my
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  Speaker 4: checklist or whatever. Now is it, Hey, I can go
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  Speaker 4: concentrate on these throws and I don't have to overthrow
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  Speaker 4: to get to where I need to do. So hopefully
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  Speaker 4: as the season goes on this year, it goes into, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we don't have the dip, right, that's the big thing.
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  Speaker 4: We don't want to worry about the dip, so we
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  Speaker 4: can kind of slowly here and then we just keep
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  Speaker 4: kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Slowly going up.
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  Speaker 4: Is that your hope that going into this season with
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  Speaker 4: those processes that you've developed over the last year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that in essence is the ultimate goal. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I've always been a very hard.
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  Speaker 2: Worker, and I've always been a big thinker.
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  Speaker 5: And I've always been process oriented, but I've never been
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  Speaker 5: as organized as I am now, So I think a
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  Speaker 5: lot of times when things didn't go my way, I
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  Speaker 5: always thought that I could outwork those problems. And while
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  Speaker 5: that might work in high school and you're on a
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  Speaker 5: seven day routine or in the minor leagues when you're
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  Speaker 5: pitching once maybe twice a week, you can get away
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  Speaker 5: with a lot of that stuff. But as we talked
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  Speaker 5: about earlier, there's a different stress making them start every
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  Speaker 5: five or six days in the big leagues in front
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  Speaker 5: of forty thousand fans against the best hitters on the planet.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, the goal of all my organization and
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  Speaker 5: the filters that I put myself through after these outings
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  Speaker 5: is to help me narrow down and really focus in
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  Speaker 5: on the things that do need to be worked on,
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  Speaker 5: so that I'm not spinning my tires working on things
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  Speaker 5: that I'm already doing a really good job at and
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  Speaker 5: now I'm putting myself behind the eight ball because i
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  Speaker 5: have to play catch up, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: So, Libby, I want to thank you not only for
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  Speaker 1: coming on but also showing us a different side of
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  Speaker 1: Lance Lynn. Now I've known Lance for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: His approach in terms of media, Gruff on this show
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  Speaker 1: kind of kind of a wise guy, right, But with you,
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  Speaker 1: I this is coach Lance Linn Like, it's a different
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: softer lanceln. So my question is what was Lance like
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  Speaker 1: in the clubhouse working with the younger guys, because this,
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  Speaker 1: for me is a real eye opener.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think what you're seeing is what you got
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  Speaker 3: in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't want to give too much way,
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  Speaker 5: but I think that you know, Lance is a big
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  Speaker 5: teddy bear and when he pitches, he's the most intimidating
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  Speaker 5: dude on the planet. I would never step in front
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  Speaker 5: of him. But Lance one of my favorite people to
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: go talk to. Him and Kyle Gibson. I think we're
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  Speaker 5: both tremendous human beings and always wanting to talk and
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  Speaker 5: give advice and talk.
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  Speaker 2: About their experiences and share.
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  Speaker 5: What they know in an effort to try and help us.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I called Lance before the start of
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  Speaker 5: the season last year when I got put into the rotation.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I hadn't really done much scouting work in
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  Speaker 5: my career before, and when I did, it did not
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: work very well for me. So we spent like an
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: hour and a half on the phone before my first
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  Speaker 5: started the season, Latch, You're just figuring out how I
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: can look at hitters and how I can make all
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  Speaker 5: the numbers make sense for me, and how they can
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  Speaker 5: tell a story about who I'm facing and what that
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: means to me, and how what.
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  Speaker 3: I should throw based off of those things.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: And that was one of the most valuable conversations I
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  Speaker 5: had the entire season, and that happened before I threw
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  Speaker 5: the first pitch of the year.
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  Speaker 1: We think he called you a teddy bear.
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  Speaker 4: Teddy bear, that's fine when your your teammates are your brothers, man,
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  Speaker 4: and that's you know. And then there's times when, well,
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  Speaker 4: as we know, Libby did a better job at being
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: able to get that out of me than save up
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  Speaker 4: Polante of the world. And we loved Dre as much
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: as you know anyone can love Dre. But Dre likes
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: to poke the bear, and you'll get the bear Libby liked.
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  Speaker 4: Libby had the ability to come to me and we're
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: gonna get the We'll get the teddy side of the bear,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: not the not the grizzly. And that's where Palante would
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: get the grizzly more more because he kind of asked
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: for it, but Blonte likes that's what he wants. So
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  Speaker 4: But and you know every edge, Jim as you know,
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  Speaker 4: every guy on your team, everybody talks a different language.
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  Speaker 4: And I told Libby this last year, and I think
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: I helped him talk to Dusty and Dusty's language at times.
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  Speaker 4: Because every coach, every player has their way of processing
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: things and the things that they think do things the
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: right way. You have to find your way, and then
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: you have to be able to understand other people's ways
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: and then be able to explain that. And that's the
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: fun part of pitching, and the fun part of competing
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: is figuring out what makes guys pick, how they process things,
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  Speaker 4: what they think they're good at, how to stick with
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: what they're good at, and also how to always improve
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  Speaker 4: with a little bit of pieces that you can day
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  Speaker 4: in and day out, like Libby is doing. And that's
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  Speaker 4: the beauty of it. And that's why you know, we've
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  Speaker 4: talked so highly of him here, Kyle and I have
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: because we've seen the process right when when Libby was
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: in the bullpen, he figured out why he was a
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: good reliever, but he was always picking brains on. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: how can I translate this into starting, what's my process
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  Speaker 4: to do it when I have to do it one
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  Speaker 4: out of every five days, over and over again, and
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  Speaker 4: how can I do those things? And he was doing
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  Speaker 4: this research while he was getting people out in the bullpen.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the thing that I loved about him. He
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  Speaker 4: always knew, hey, I have the starter stuff. I know
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  Speaker 4: my job right now is to get really or get
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  Speaker 4: people out in the bullpen. But I'm going to be
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: a starter because I have that ability, So why not
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  Speaker 4: learn as I'm doing both? And that was one thing
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  Speaker 4: that I really enjoyed being his teammate and watching him
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  Speaker 4: go through those processes. And I was able to do
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: it as a young kid myself starting in the bullpen,
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  Speaker 4: so I had a little bit of background in that,
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  Speaker 4: so it made it fun to, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 4: see and coach people through that.
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  Speaker 1: And I've seen from litterary like he's always been like
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  Speaker 1: a mature guy, even when he was a younger player
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: when he first came up. He had an aura of
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: maturity about him. But I wonder, so last year was
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a big year for you, your first time as a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: full time starting pitcher. You learned that and now it's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a different team. It's a younger team, part of a reset,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and they're looking at you as front of the rotation guy.
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  Speaker 1: How do you look at this season? For you going
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: into it and doesn't feel any any different than maybe
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: going into last season.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, that's that's a way that
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: I want to carry and then I look forward to carrying,
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  Speaker 5: you know, growing up, that's that's everything that I dreamed of.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, I'm very excited for this year. And
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  Speaker 5: as far as the group that we have, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: why not us? You know, you saw the dbacs fude
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: a few years ago or they had a super young group,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: and you know, the beautiful thing about baseball is anybody
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: can win on any given day for any given reason.
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  Speaker 5: And so you know, you put the right group together
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: that creates the right culture, and all of a sudden
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: you start playing a good brand of baseball. You know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: things can turn around real quick. So you know, you
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: can call it a rebuild. The front officers can call
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: it a rebuild or reset or whatever we want to do.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: But I don't think anybody's showing up to spring cashing
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: in on the season already. I think we all want
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: to show up and compete. We all have personal reasons
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: to compete for and therefore we have reasons to compete
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  Speaker 5: as a team too. So you know, I'm trying to
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: approach this with the idea that really anything can happen
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: if we if we put the right bricks in place
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  Speaker 5: and line at us.
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  Speaker 1: I got one more question before we let let me
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: get on with his day. If that's okay, Lance, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: it's about his boy, Nolan Gorman. I know you guys
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  Speaker 1: are boys. You talk about a young team, you talk
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: about personal reasons to want to compete and do well.
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  Speaker 1: So we don't know what's going to happen with Nolan
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Arnatto yet, but clearly the Cardinals are looking to make
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a move because they would like to see what Nolan
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Gorman can do. And look, last year was a rough one.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: They were good spots for him, but he was trying
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: to stay within the process that he believed in. Tell
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: me something about Nolan Gorman, what you expect from him
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  Speaker 1: and why you believe that he will find it again?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I think for and foremost I know that he deals
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: with failure incredibly well. He's a guy where you know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I've questioned at times like, hey, are you even upset.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: You just struck out four times, and like you're able
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: to have a conversation with me, like I wouldn't be
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: able to sleep tonight. And what I've kind of learned
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: is that, say, probably one of his most admirable qualities
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: is his ability to just flush it and keep moving forward. So, yes,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: we've seen the stretches of what he can do, and man,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: it's so special and he does turn it on in
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: that way. But I think the most reassuring thing to
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: me is I haven't seen any of the struggles that
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: he's gone through really get to him or really affect
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  Speaker 5: him in a way that I think would hurt his career.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: And so you know, he's put in a ton of
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: work again this offseason. I think his swing is in
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: a great spot again this offseason, and I don't see
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: any reason why he can't come out and be the
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: guy that we all know he can and that he
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: knows he can too.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I appreciate you coming on and showing us the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: softer side of lance Lynn. Lance I want to thank
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  Speaker 1: you because you're actually coaching him, and I'm like, this
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  Speaker 1: guy should be a coach somewhere. I think that'll happen somewhere. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's because you're sitting on a pile of money. Gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure, Libby. Thanks for making time, Lance,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being a teddy bear that's going to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you on the next episode. Hopefully that one won't suck.