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#277 - For Azeroth!: “The Frog Fight” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  I can't have you back and I'm doing a show and it looks like
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  you ate some the lottery ticket. Did you eat a lottery ticket?
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  Why did you do this? You.
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  Ruined this. We'll never recover from this
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  financially. For Calendar to the Burning
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  region, for Gilnaeus. For Cast Not Die, for the Lich
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  King, For the Sindoran. For the Alliance for the Horn.
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  For Azeroth. Hello and welcome to another
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  episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, the true
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  villain Manny, living up to that name.
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  I hope you guys were here for the free show and of course I am
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  joined by my two wonderful Co hosts who suffer at my leisure.
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  First we will start with Sean. Sean, hello.
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  Hi, Manny, How are you today? Plotting and planning clearly,
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  Clearly. Yeah, yeah.
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  Feels good. Feels good.
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  Big day, big day. Can't wait to talk about today's
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  episode. OK, well, let's let's get into
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  it. But before we do, we definitely
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  need to introduce the other Co host Lex Lex rants, how are you?
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  I'm great. I'm Ranton.
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  So I'm having a good time and I'm here for some more.
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  Let's go. Now I get it, Lex rants.
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  It makes sense now. I didn't understand it till
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  today. You know, it all makes sense.
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  Well normally this is where I would ask how your week in Wow
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  would be going. But the week in Wow seems very
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  tied to our first show, or rather our first topic.
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  And that would be this frog fight and how things are going
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  in the Wow remix. So before we dive directly into
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  that particular topic, I got to ask, how are you guys enjoying
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  Mr. Pandaria Remix? Wow, remix.
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  This new mode, this new experiment.
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  Let's start off Lex, have you have you been diving in with any
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  characters? Oh yeah, I'm having the time in
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  my life. I'm playing Hunter which is
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  going to be terrible because now my Guild is going to have I'm
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  going to have to decide between 3 characters for raid.
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  So godspeed to me. Wish me luck but I'm having a
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  great time. I'm really bad.
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  I'm level 25 and I've been playing for like four hours.
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  That's embarrassing, but it's, it's great.
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  I'm bopping right along. I'm talking to all the pandas.
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  I'm seeing all the little I I really do miss when back when
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  World of Warcraft had cutscenes that were just like the game
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  characters smashing together. It's great.
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  I'm having so much fun. That's awesome.
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  OK, but level 25 is a thing, right?
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  But like, where are you in the story though?
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  Like, are you still like Jade Forest?
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  Where? What's?
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  Like what's happening in your little neck of Pandaria?
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  So first of all, I'm remembering, I don't know that
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  I'm actually 25. I might be closer to 30.
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  I don't remember the last time I actually checked, but that
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  doesn't really matter. So we just got like the, the,
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  the big Shaw just came out of the the jade sculpture and it
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  like threw things around. I'd fly on the little dragon and
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  then shut down little rifts and and then I had to go save
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  people. It was really great.
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  It was really fun. So yeah, we learned about Big
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  Shaw. Yeah, that that is the, the
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  climax to I think like the the Jade 4.
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  So you are right there having completed the first zone closer
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  to 3025 thirty, OK, roughly, roughly that area.
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  And I'm glad, I'm glad that you're enjoying it.
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  You're taking it at your your own pace.
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  And I got to I got to hand this over to Sean because Sean, you,
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  as you had been saying, world's slowest leveller going to go
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  through all of those those story bits.
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  Take your time and everything. So Lex speeding through at like
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  let's say 30. Where, where are you at there,
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  Sean? We'll just hear the 170.
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  I hit level 70 in six hours played.
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  Now I want to clarify. I said I was the world's slowest
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  Wester, But yeah, I have a friend who, so unfortunately I
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  couldn't play Mop when it first launched.
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  I was in London, the LFG event, so I missed out on the first
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  four days of the event. I have a friend who was level 70
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  and had maxed out all of their gear already.
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  And so when I was started going in doing heroic dungeons, they
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  were like, hey, you want me to come with you?
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  As it's short and it turns out the heroic dungeons go extremely
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  fast when you have somebody who is in Max stoke gear.
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  So yeah, it was about six hours for me to hit 70 and then from
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  there it has been a non-stop wild fun fest that I just can't
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  seem to put down. But I am doing the zones I am
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  going through and questing through and reading the quests.
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  I installed the dialogue UI add on which is gorgeous.
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  Makes all of the questing very cinematic and immersive.
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  Usually it's cool zoom in over the shoulder angles for your
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  quests and it changes the quest background.
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  It's beautiful. If you haven't seen it dialogue
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  UI, definitely check it out. It's by Peter Yu, the designer
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  of Narcissus, which is another add on you should be using if
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  you're you playing Mop Remix because it makes gem management
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  bearable. But yeah, I so I'm going through
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  doing all the zones. I have fully completed every
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  quest, every treasure and three of the rares in Jade Forest and
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  Valley of the Four Winds, and I have been full clearing every
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  raid every day since my character hit 70 on Saturday.
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  I love it. Yeah, so I really am the casual.
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  The group is over. It was great because I was sort
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  of like, OK, I'm going through and I'm playing at my rate.
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  I know I'm I'm not like going to like go super fast because we
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  had players who before the first day was out already like diving
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  into the end game level 70 and everything.
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  And that's going to like lead into what we talked about last
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  week and what we're revisiting again today because the saga is
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  not over. As we talked about last episode,
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  there were some players who found a farm that where they
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  would have these hype respawns, as Sean had explained on that
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  episode, and just get as many of the charms the and the bronze as
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  they could to fuel their gear progression.
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  And so Blizzard came in on the weekend and Hot fixed that.
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  But over the course of the week, we've had other farms discovered
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  and then get hammered down with the nerf bat.
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  And it's been this game of cat and mouse.
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  Late last week, people noticed that some of the people or many
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  people who had been in those frog farms or other subsequent
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  farms were getting tagged in the in the game.
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  It was like the date of mind that they were being tagged as
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  frog farmers. And people were like, oh, what's
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  this going to be about? Well, this week Blizzard came
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  out and put a hot fix out. And the way that it worked is if
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  you were noted as a frog farmer, you had a rollback to your
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  cloak. That meant that if you had huge
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  stats on your cloak, they got pulled way back.
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  If you had a little bit ahead of what Blizzard deemed what very
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  engaged players could could achieve, you got a little bit of
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  a rollback. So the rollback was relative to
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  to this point that Blizzard had determined.
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  This is really as far as we're expecting people to go.
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  It did not affect gear that you had outside of your cloak.
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  So if you had like dumped a ton of bronze from this farming and
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  so forth into your gear, you still got to retain that gear.
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  The other thing that happened is that characters who didn't
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  engage with this bronze farming were given 3 quests.
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  These quests became available at 40 rather 5060 and 70 and gave
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  you combined 40K bronze, which is a huge amount of bronze for
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  those who weren't involved, but a very relatively small amount
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  of bronze for people who may have been dealing with these
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  this farming it. It felt like a middle kind of
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  ground for a lot of people. So I know and we even have in
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  chat gave me aspect being like 40K is not enough.
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  So there's definitely a question about this.
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  But if you were a part of the frog farmers, you were not
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  eligible for this quest on any character that was marked on
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  that. This is not account wide.
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  So if you create a new character and you were and you were
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  involved in the frog farming, that new character does get the
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  these quests. It's very much targeted
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  specifically just to those characters.
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  Can I? This might be an unpopular
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  opinion of mine. Can I just say this sucks like
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  world Yeah, this was no, nobody was cheating.
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  Nobody was breaking the system. This also the frog farm that
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  people were using was an active farm that people engaged with in
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  actual Mists of Pandaria. Like Blizzard failed to double
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  check that people could. You know, that people were not
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  able to farm. They gave us this game mode
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  where they told us the whole point was that we were farming.
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  The whole point was that we, you know, like it was, you know,
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  you're going to be blasting through everything.
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  People found a way because they didn't balance properly to to do
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  again what they were telling us we were supposed to do, which
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  was use this to get really sweaty and grind and go, go, go.
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  And then Blizzard punished them for that.
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  Like, and I say this as somebody who's a level, you know, 2530
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  and was never going to be competing with people who frog
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  farmed. Like, I don't know, this feels
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  bad. This feels bad to me.
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  I agree. It also, I'm so I want to be
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  really like it's, it's, it's a delicate subject because there's
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  people whose emotions are running extremely high around
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  this, but I want to like, I don't I, I, I think Blizzard, I
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  think the fix that they decided to implement to a community
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  perceived problem was the wrong fix.
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  I don't think it achieved the goal they wanted, but I, I
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  really blame the community for this nerf happening because
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  people were so vehemently, aggressively vocal that, oh man,
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  these people are farming these frogs and they're getting this
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  power level and they're way ahead of the rest of us.
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  And now we're never going to be able to catch them.
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  And it's so not fair. Like like guys, it's not I don't
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  know if we can swear it's not I just because somebody else is
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  getting a bunch of bronze. You can get bronze and it's so
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  chill. You don't want to play that way,
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  don't play that way, but there are people who want to play that
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  way. Don't let them play that way.
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  You don't lose your mind when world first racers do 100 splits
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  in the first week of the raid and our Max gear.
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  This is basically the same thing in a four fun event that's going
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  away in three months. So I sort of blame the community
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  for the fix happening because of how aggressively they went after
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  people that were doing these farms.
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  And between the three of us and all the listeners, the the frog
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  power people aren't even the most egregious power abusers.
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  The ward of salvation is you can literally once you have bosses.
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  But I, I do think Blizzard made the mistake.
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  So people were the people's complaint was these players are
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  too powerful. It's not fair.
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  Blizzard attempted to rectify that by nerfing their cloaks but
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  leaving the actual source of their power, which is the
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  levelled up gear. It's the gear that gives them
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  the strength, not so much that cloak.
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  And the AS as was mentioned, they gave them four.
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  We gave people 40K bronze and said hey here you go.
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  But 40K bronze is nothing to leveling up your cloak.
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  I think if they wanted to have addressed this issue, what they
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  should have done was just cut the cost of upgrading your gear
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  in half and then that let's upgrading gear become more
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  attainable for those people who aren't doing these insane mind
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  numbing farms. But they didn't do that.
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  The cost of upgrading gear is still extremely high.
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  And that's where the power lies. And I know because I've dumped
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  every single bronze I have and upgraded my gear and now I'm a
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  straight blaster. And yeah, so anyway, that's I
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  think it was a mistake. Whether or not you nerf the frog
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  farm or remove it, fine. You want to take that farm away.
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  They seem to be chasing the farms down.
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  You want to take them away, OK, You don't want, Blizzard doesn't
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  want us to do play the game in that way, That's OK.
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  But I I think actively punishing people for playing in a way that
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  they knew existed. And after three days of it
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  happening, you can see it happening in the first day.
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  Why wait three days? And on top, on top of that, I'm
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  going to, I'll pass the mic off in a second.
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  I apologize. But on top of that, they didn't
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  even get all of the people who farmed frogs and people who
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  didn't farm frogs got tagged. Like we have a person in our
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  Guild who didn't farm a single frog and got hit.
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  So it was like, I don't know how they determined who the frog
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  farmers were. It just was.
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  I feel like it was a rush decision by them because of the
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  perceived community aggression, Not aggression, the perceived
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  community anger towards these farms that don't really have any
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  effect on it. Anyway, that's all I have to
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  say. Sorry, no, that's that's a lot.
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  I'm going to say that Lex, your opinion is actually not
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  unpopular. It's it's very popular.
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  Quite popular. Quite popular, so I'm going to
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  give the unpopular opinion here. I at first I do want to agree
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  with you. This nerf is not about actually
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  fixing the power balance. I genuinely believe this is a
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  cautionary shot across the bow because it doesn't.
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  It doesn't hit their main stuff. We know that Blizzard could roll
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  back those characters back to a date in time there were no
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  suspensions. If it was actually considered an
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  abuse. There's a lot of things that
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  Blizzard could have done and this is so light on the touch.
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  To me it is more like, hey, guys, don't make us do this
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  again. Avoid doing these these farms,
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  locking just those characters out instead of the account from
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  here's some bonus stuff. Only rolling back the cloak and
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  not addressing any of the gear, the ill gotten gear if it is
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  considered I'll gotten this stuff.
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  This to me felt like, hey, this is just don't do these farms.
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  We're we're adjusting it so some people can do catch up, but this
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  is still a power fantasy. So we're we're not going to go
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  that far. In my mind, what has ruined this
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  experience more than anything that Blizzard has done has been
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  the incessant argument about what Blizzard has and hasn't
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  done. First it was Blizzard hasn't
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  done anything. Now, then it was Blizzard did
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  something. But it's too little too late.
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  If they do more, the next group of people are going to come out
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  and be like, Blizzard, come on, it was in the game anyways.
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  Just let us have it. And frankly, I don't want to do
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  Mr. Pandaria remix anymore. I got what I wanted.
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  I got all of the mounts that I want.
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  I don't want to touch the end game because I don't want to
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  deal with that. People who are kicking people
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  out of groups because they're not doing enough damage.
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  People who are who are screaming about a lockout bug that is
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  apparently necessary because it's the only way to get power.
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  Everybody chasing after whatever degenerate farm.
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  And I don't play Wow to like kill whatever stupid thing that
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  hyper spawns till my eyes bleed. That's not fun to me.
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  That shouldn't be the way to level.
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  So if Blizzard says now we're gonna cut that so that a more
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  interesting way to level is available, fine, right?
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  If Blizzard says says yeah, we're not going to touch those
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  those people because hey, it's our bad, fine.
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  But at no point was there a right answer to this.
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  It was just people complaining that whatever answer was put
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  forward was wrong. And it's so annoying.
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  It's this experimental mode. This is the same stuff that's
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  coming up after Plunderstorm, after Holly Longdale herself
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  said, hey guys, give us a bit of patience.
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  We're trying something new. This is not stuff that we've
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  normally done. We're going to throw it out
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  there. It may be broken or not, and
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  people are expecting this to be better tuned than like any
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  season in Dragonfly that I've seen.
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  It's ridiculous. I don't care anymore.
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  I'm covering it because guess what?
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  It's my job. But you know what?
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  I'll bleep it out. This.
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  I'm done with this. That's that is actually really
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  fair. And now I feel kind of bad for
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  how aggressively I was like, this is stupid at the beginning
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  of this episode. I I do think that my not to make
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  another way that Blizzard can fail because I agree with you,
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  right? Like it, it's a game company.
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  This is an experimental mode. Like I, I, I'm none of this
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  matters to me because I was never going to be competitive.
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  Like so, so I'm really just like reflecting other people's
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  opinions here. I think that this, there is
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  something to be said that Blizzard is doing a really,
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  really great job of listening to the community, which is
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  excellent. And I want that to keep
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  happening. But at the end of the day, the
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  community likes to be angry. I say that as AI love World of
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  Warcraft. I love the community, you know,
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  I, I love the people that I hang out with.
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  The community likes to be angry. And so I think there will need
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  to be a point that Blizzard says, you know what, like, I
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  hear you guys are unhappy with this.
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  Some people are having a good time.
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  Alas, you have to be a little unhappy.
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  And I, I think that that is a line that Blizzard's going to
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  have to be able to put down because, yeah, like I, I, I
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  literally cannot think of one thing in this game that nobody's
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  complained about, which is, you know, like often is good.
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  Like there, there is a, a need for feedback.
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  And I'm not remotely like, I, I love to complain.
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  I complain about everything. It's my favorite activity.
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  I read books explicitly because I know I'm going to hate them
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  and I want to be able to tell my boyfriend how much I hate them.
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  But I do think that there is. It's so fun.
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  I've never hate read a book before.
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  Oh. It's great, don't ask me which
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  ones I'll get cancelled but. Spoiler alert, it's next book on
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  the the FAZ Book Club. But I, I do think that there is
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  a valid concern that like maybe one of the reasons that this
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  felt really unfair to me right off the bat is that it does kind
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  of feel like the sweat Blizzard told us to do.
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  And then now and then people did it and then everyone got mad,
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  which I think is maybe the piece that I was missing.
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  And so Blizzard was like, OK, never mind, don't do that
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  anymore. Like I did.
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  I did really feel like we went into remix being told like, get
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  as powerful as you can as quickly as you can.
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  And so I I. They literally said that.
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  Yeah. And so I, I do kind of wonder,
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  Sean, if, if you're right, that this, if this isn't just like
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  this kind of was what they expected us to do.
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  And then we did it and then people got pissed and then
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  Blizzard was like, oh crap, I need to make people happy.
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  And then they shut it down even though they were telling us to
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  do that. I'm sorry Manny, I I cut you off
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  though. Sorry, I got to just, I don't
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  think Blizzard nerfed the frog farm or any of the farms because
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  they wanted to nerf the farms or they were, they were worried
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  about power creep or whatever in a mode that doesn't matter.
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  I think they nerfed them because people were so vocally vocal
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  online. I, I, I 100% blame the community
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  for all of it. I just think Blizzard made the
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  wrong choice in the the the action they took.
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  Yeah, I, I genuinely feel that all of these these adjustments
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  are because the player experience is what they're
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  trying to curate. They don't want people to feel
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  that they have to do these farms.
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  And so they go in and they surgically hit the farms that
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  that people are are finding. But it's also a matter of at the
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  end of the day, this is an experimental mode they were
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  putting out like the interviews and they're like, yeah, no
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  people can get powerful and we're interested in seeing how
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  crazy things can get. And like, I remember Soul so
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  Breezy did did an interview about this mode and he would he
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  asked a question. So like we're going to see like
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  one people, one person like soloing Mythic SOO and the the
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  designers, the dead set were there specifically didn't answer
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  the question. They're like, we're interested
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  in seeing how far people can go, right?
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  And then soul jumped back in and it was like, OK, so cool, we're
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  going to we're going to go see it.
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  You know, I'm going to answer because it's it's hype and it's
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  like, Hey, listen, you can say whatever you want.
• 22:04
  You can build the you can build the hype to whatever levels you
• 22:07
  are responsibly. I can't say that every class is
• 22:11
  going to be able to solo something.
• 22:13
  And if I put that out there, right, people can come back to
• 22:17
  me. People can come back to, to the
• 22:19
  devs. If, if they said that, feel
• 22:21
  free, guys, send it to me on, on Twitter where the, where the
• 22:25
  devs said you should be able to solo everything.
• 22:29
  Because this is a question about like, Hey, what is overpowered?
• 22:33
  And Sean, you've already called me on this a bunch of times.
• 22:37
  I always put these nuance. I'm never like 100% like just
• 22:40
  stick with something because it like it's game balance, right?
• 22:44
  Like if I have a character that can one shot anything in in
• 22:48
  Malay, I think you can consider that overpowered.
• 22:52
  But then let's say I come across a mage and Lex is playing on a
• 22:55
  mage or let's say a hunter because Lex you're actually
• 22:58
  playing on a hunter and Lex has the forever freezing trap so I
• 23:02
  can never catch catch Lex and so she can kite me indefinitely.
• 23:06
  I never get my Malay shot in and I get killed.
• 23:11
  I guess Lex is overpowered. It doesn't take away that I was
• 23:14
  overpowered. I could one shot her.
• 23:16
  But like as long as Lex has this eternal trap, Lex is
• 23:20
  overpowered. But then if Lex comes across you
• 23:25
  and you can never be CC D right and you just do more damage,
• 23:30
  then I guess you're overpowered. But then you have to get close
• 23:33
  enough to me that I can one shot you.
• 23:35
  And then we've got this entire thing where all of us are
• 23:37
  overpowered. But then all of us are kind of
• 23:39
  balanced in this, in this paper, rock, scissors thing.
• 23:42
  And so like when they throw out words like overpowered, I go, I
• 23:45
  kind of go like, yeah, in what way?
• 23:48
  Right. Like I got to, I got to 70 and I
• 23:50
  had that entire thing where it's like, yeah, these enemies are
• 23:53
  hitting me hard. But my mage could like blow them
• 23:57
  up before they even knew I was there.
• 23:58
  So I still felt overpowered. I was careful about how much I
• 24:02
  pulled because my CC couldn't control everything, but I still
• 24:05
  felt overpowered. I know if I was playing with
• 24:08
  melee and I was taking that much damage and I couldn't avoid it,
• 24:12
  I would feel that weakness a lot more.
• 24:14
  And there is issues with the scaling.
• 24:16
  Am I no longer overpowered because the scaling is getting
• 24:19
  harsher? Like that's, that's an entire
• 24:22
  question. And I know that people will go
• 24:26
  out there and they will be limited to 280 characters or
• 24:29
  whatever the hell social media they're on and give their their
• 24:33
  hot takes and remove all the nuance, right?
• 24:36
  But it's still such a fun mode it to level through.
• 24:41
  And I would genuinely love to see how powerful I could get if
• 24:45
  the if the community wasn't expecting that power to be near
• 24:52
  instant and upset when other people get that power before
• 24:55
  they do. That is 2 contrasting things.
• 24:58
  And I don't like talking about the community as a monolith, and
• 25:01
  I don't like talking about the devs in a monolith.
• 25:03
  Because I guarantee you every week that we're in this, there
• 25:08
  are devs taking different positions and them coming to a
• 25:11
  consensus on it. Meanwhile, there are people in
• 25:14
  the community having different takes and none of them coming to
• 25:17
  consensus. So neither one of them, I want
• 25:19
  to just say, yeah, what the hell was Blizzard thinking?
• 25:22
  And they don't understand the minds of the player because
• 25:24
  Blizzard is thinking a bunch of different things and the players
• 25:27
  are thinking a bunch of different things.
• 25:29
  So the mind isn't the same on either end.
• 25:31
  It's just a, it's just a garbage statement that people put out
• 25:34
  there to kill all thought about it.
• 25:37
  Right. I just, I guess the hang up for
• 25:40
  me is I don't want somebody to dictate to me how I have to play
• 25:45
  the game, right? And that's what is happening.
• 25:49
  Now. For the record, I have not seen
• 25:51
  any groups that kicked anybody out for not doing enough damage.
• 25:54
  If anything, I've only ever seen people with their Maxto
• 25:57
  characters helping people who are under geared.
• 26:00
  So I, I realize that some people have said, oh, groups expect
• 26:04
  this. Groups expect that.
• 26:05
  I haven't personally seen it, so I can't speak to it.
• 26:07
  But if a group expects it, just don't join that group.
• 26:10
  Start your own group, you know what I mean?
• 26:12
  There's my Guild is running through it right now and they
• 26:14
  have nobody's upgraded any gear. It's all just cloak power.
• 26:17
  So it's like you know what I mean?
• 26:20
  Play. You want the way you want to
• 26:21
  play. You want to level up to 70 a
• 26:23
  hundred different alts, level 100 different alts, you know
• 26:25
  what I mean? Am I screaming?
• 26:26
  Oh, we shouldn't have that many alts?
• 26:27
  No, because I don't care doesn't affect me right?
• 26:30
  You play how you want to play. I want to power my character up
• 26:34
  and one shot the content because I just want it to be fun and
• 26:37
  sort of mindless while I grind with the cosmetics and just let
• 26:40
  me do it. It doesn't affect you, right?
• 26:42
  And this is, I mean, it's a problem just not just a mountain
• 26:45
  remix. It's a problem across Warcraft,
• 26:46
  across really society as a whole.
• 26:48
  If somebody else's actions aren't affecting you at all,
• 26:51
  then just be quiet, just sit quietly and enjoy the game mode
• 26:55
  yourself, right? In whatever way you choose to
• 26:57
  enjoy it. If that's spending all your
• 26:59
  money on mounts, on mog, if that's going and pet battling,
• 27:03
  if it's levelling up a character from every race, as every class
• 27:06
  and every faction across the board, whatever you want to do,
• 27:09
  do it. But going on Twitter and
• 27:11
  spending your energy? I had a person come into my chat
• 27:13
  stream and tell me I was a terrible person and that I was
• 27:16
  ruining the game mode for frog farming.
• 27:18
  I wasn't even in the country, I wasn't even here.
• 27:20
  So all of the power my character has has been gotten since Friday
• 27:24
  after the nerf happened. So they're just equating people
• 27:27
  who level up their gear with farmers.
• 27:29
  It's like, you know, just play the way you want to play, you
• 27:32
  know, and let others play the way they want to play.
• 27:35
  Blizzard was put in in an unwinnable situation, and the
• 27:39
  player base put them there as they almost always do.
• 27:41
  Yeah. So my, my take away from Remix
• 27:43
  is I'm enjoying it. I'm loving it because I'm
• 27:46
  playing it the way I want to play it.
• 27:47
  And I think others should play it the way they want to play it,
• 27:51
  or not play it at all, you know? But the one thing I've learned
• 27:54
  is the Pve players in Warcraft are the worst.
• 28:00
  They cried about Plunderstorm and now they're crying about my
• 28:02
  remix. I don't know what they want.
• 28:04
  I don't want Trial of Style all month.
• 28:06
  Will that help? Is that what you want, PV ears?
• 28:09
  Is that the only thing that will work?
• 28:12
  They want a bunch of different things and it's great.
• 28:15
  And like, I like that we have these modes that have a
• 28:19
  different things and maybe it's better when it is tailored to a
• 28:23
  very specific type of play because then it can be like set
• 28:26
  up around that and nobody's expecting it to be something
• 28:27
  different. And it's all focused that way.
• 28:30
  But we're in a get, we're once again in that point where people
• 28:34
  are going in. They want all these cool trans
• 28:37
  mog and they want all these cool mounts.
• 28:40
  But because bronze has to serve that and the power gain system.
• 28:45
  If I were was somebody who was concerned about power and also
• 28:49
  wanted to get mounts, I would feel bad every time I bought a
• 28:53
  mount because that could go towards a gear upgrade I like.
• 28:58
  Do I say, OK, well, I'm gonna be behind all my friends.
• 29:02
  I guess I won't be able to play play at the same level as Sean
• 29:06
  because I wanted to get all the mounts out of Pandaria.
• 29:10
  Or do I go, I guess I'm not gonna get the mounts until the
• 29:13
  very end because I wanna keep up with the Joneses.
• 29:17
  And as much as I want to say, Oh yeah, you're your own player and
• 29:21
  prioritize that, right? Because because we're all adults
• 29:25
  here, the player base has clearly shown that to be a
• 29:28
  misguided and idealistic principle.
• 29:32
  So instead we now point towards the developers and go, hey,
• 29:38
  don't make people have to decide between these two things.
• 29:44
  And then it becomes a question of like, OK, are we handing out
• 29:49
  bronze for gear upgrade and jade for cosmetics?
• 29:53
  And never the two shall meet. And then maybe that will make
• 29:56
  people happy because they now have a separate track.
• 30:01
  But then is that the hand holding this?
• 30:04
  And are we now back in the thing where it's like, Blizzard, don't
• 30:06
  tell me how to play? Like if I want to dump all my
• 30:08
  stuff in, I should. Like, I just think it's an
• 30:10
  unwinnable argument if you don't just like control the narrative
• 30:16
  ahead of time. And that's the one thing I will
• 30:18
  blame Blizzard for. They really needed to from the
• 30:22
  get go. Like instead of being like, it's
• 30:23
  experimental. Let's see what you guys do be
• 30:25
  like, here's how we expect this to go.
• 30:27
  This is what it's going to be like.
• 30:29
  And anytime somebody finds something that kind of breaks on
• 30:32
  that they can know that this isn't intended and expect the
• 30:37
  expect divine retribution or whatever you want to count from
• 30:41
  the developers to to come. I think that's that's generally
• 30:45
  it because the disconnect is between a free for all play,
• 30:49
  however you want, get as powerful as you want, and
• 30:52
  Blizzard coming in after the point and being like, yeah, but
• 30:54
  not like that. And that's when it feels bad.
• 30:57
  Yeah. And I think also we should keep
• 31:01
  in mind that this is a 90 day like, like, like, and, and I, I,
• 31:05
  I, I agree with everything that you just said, but I, I do also
• 31:08
  think there is a part of it where like we could benefit from
• 31:12
  the reminder that this is not that serious.
• 31:15
  And if the power isn't imbalanced, it's not the end of
• 31:17
  the world. And if your friends are playing
• 31:20
  at a higher level than you, it's for three months, like they're
• 31:22
  going to stop playing at a higher level than you, It's
• 31:24
  fine. But your.
• 31:27
  Friends tell you they won't play with you because you're not
• 31:29
  levelling your gear up. You have shitty friends.
• 31:32
  Yeah, I've been batting my whole life and people still play with.
• 31:35
  Me. Don't be.
• 31:35
  Don't be friends with those people.
• 31:37
  They're not good people. They're the problem.
• 31:40
  You are trying to get people to be self reflective and I thought
• 31:43
  told you that's idealistic and we don't go there anywhere.
• 31:47
  I. Remember.
• 31:47
  Lex community wants to be angry. I'm going to help them get
• 31:50
  there. No, it's like I, I do think it's
• 31:54
  true. It is 90 days.
• 31:56
  We are less than two weeks into this, right?
• 32:00
  It started Thursday before last and we still have another four
• 32:04
  days to get. So we're 12 days into this and
• 32:07
  people are have gotten to this point already.
• 32:09
  It's, it's really sad. They're insane and, and dude
• 32:13
  people, people have already gotten everything they want.
• 32:14
  Flex got every single trans mog amount that he wanted without a
• 32:17
  single gear upgrade. You know, I have other friends
• 32:20
  who are Max gear upgrades and now they have 2 1/2 months to
• 32:23
  farm out the rest of the bronze which they're going to get in
• 32:25
  less than a month. It's so crazy to me that people
• 32:28
  are so wild over this. It's like Plunderstorm and
• 32:30
  Plunderstorm came out. Oh my God, I'm never going to be
• 32:32
  able to get these. Well, if you play the game,
• 32:35
  weird things happen. I I would also just if any
• 32:38
  Blizzard people are listening and are feeling really bad, I
• 32:41
  know the end gamers are having a really rough time as a as a
• 32:44
  casual bad. I'm having a great time like I'm
• 32:47
  living my dreams. If you're not good at this game,
• 32:51
  Remix is incredible time. Walk me some more.
• 32:54
  This is amazing. Yeah I'm going to 2nd that as an
• 32:57
  end gamer. Also having a blast.
• 32:58
  So 10 out of 10. Love Mop Remix.
• 33:02
  I I love everything about it. I, I like the way it's designed.
• 33:05
  I like, I, I really just like people.
• 33:09
  Yeah, I'm all for Blizzard. Give me more of these remixes.
• 33:12
  They're great. And you know what?
• 33:13
  Really, some just like this because this is good content for
• 33:16
  at least two weeks for us. Yeah, I love when people get
• 33:20
  mad. It's so much to talk about.
• 33:21
  I love other people's drama. Actually.
• 33:23
  I think, like everything I said, please go on Twitter and yell
• 33:27
  more. It's so, it's so.
• 33:28
  It's so fun. Putting my kids through college.
• 33:34
  Oh, God, yeah. I got to ask you guys a
• 33:38
  question. I wanted to put this put this
• 33:40
  through because like our next part is about the other balances
• 33:44
  that they have done for this game.
• 33:47
  And we have seen them change things so that we've got like
• 33:51
  threads at the end of dungeons and raids that like directly
• 33:55
  boost into the, the cloak. So you're getting like stats way
• 33:59
  faster from like dailies and such.
• 34:02
  We have seen them like increase the amount of, of bronze that
• 34:07
  you're getting from all these other sources that are not brain
• 34:11
  dead farms. So they're they're definitely
• 34:14
  continuing to approach this and give people options other than
• 34:20
  this the like hyper efficient farms that people are finding,
• 34:23
  right? But I got to ask you guys, if
• 34:27
  they were to do this again as like a event, what would you
• 34:33
  want? Like what's the one thing that
• 34:34
  you would want them to change? Can they pre mute the people on
• 34:40
  Twitter that are terrible? That's my pick.
• 34:44
  Don't think they can do that's all.
• 34:46
  I think just I'll give them my Twitter login.
• 34:49
  They just can pre mute the one. Just tell me the people that
• 34:51
  complained the most about a four fun event and that others were
• 34:55
  ruining their four fun event and then pre mute those people and
• 35:00
  then we'll send the exact same package we have now.
• 35:04
  I'll take it. OK, OK, gaming aspect in chat
• 35:10
  says undo the frog nerf and I gotta I gotta ask gaming aspect.
• 35:15
  But I'll put this question to my two my two Co hosts, right?
• 35:20
  Would you want them to have said, hey, you know what, we're
• 35:24
  not going to nerf anything Farm as much as you want.
• 35:28
  If it's broken, I don't care. It's an experimental mode live
• 35:32
  with it. Find a way to go.
• 35:33
  Just hands off. This is how it's going live.
• 35:36
  We're not touching it. Would that be the fun way to for
• 35:39
  you to go? Oh yeah, I actually think I I am
• 35:42
  a little like disappointed in this reaction partially because
• 35:44
  based on the way this mode was sold and what seemed excited
• 35:47
  about it, like I think there should be unlimited farming.
• 35:49
  Like I think they should put in more farms, give me more things
• 35:52
  that I can kill on mass. I get as a bad.
• 35:54
  But like, yeah, I think everyone should be allowed to farm
• 35:58
  whatever they want. If you want to never log off,
• 36:00
  you should be the most powerful player alive.
• 36:03
  Like no, 100% I I, I act like genuinely I think that there
• 36:06
  should have been one. Yeah, so any game mode that
• 36:09
  launches with player versus player elements, balance it,
• 36:13
  tweak it, adjust it. You have to 'cause that's not
• 36:15
  fair, that's not fun. You can't have Whirling
• 36:18
  Firestorm one shutting people, that needs to be balanced.
• 36:22
  But a PVE game mode with no leaderboards, no Race to World
• 36:26
  First, no Raider IO score and 90 days, do it.
• 36:31
  Just send it. Take 30 days off, guys.
• 36:34
  Take a month off, hit send and then relax, watch what happens.
• 36:37
  Collect the data because we keep saying, oh, it's 90 days, 90
• 36:40
  days. Yeah, we'll give them a month to
• 36:42
  figure it out. Let them have a watch for 90
• 36:44
  day. And then at that 30 day mark, if
• 36:45
  they want to make changes, make some changes.
• 36:48
  I'm all for the the bronze changes.
• 36:49
  Make that rain, give us more bronze, give us more threads
• 36:54
  right to the moon. And I've spent I've been
• 36:57
  upgrading my gear at full cost to upgrades.
• 36:59
  I fully expect probably around this, the 45 day mark, they're
• 37:04
  going to cut the cost to upgrade your gear in half.
• 37:06
  Don't care. I want to upgrade it now.
• 37:09
  Cool. When it gets cut in half.
• 37:10
  Great. Happy for the people who waited.
• 37:13
  But yeah, I think, I honestly think they should have just, but
• 37:16
  I, I don't think they could because the the vocal people
• 37:23
  online who were like, Oh my God, this is ridiculous.
• 37:26
  And I got to tell you, I'm going to be honest.
• 37:27
  I'm going to be 100% honest. I don't think those groups
• 37:29
  exist. I don't think there's groups out
• 37:31
  there kicking people out for not doing enough damage and they're
• 37:34
  all doing 5 million. Like 2, two to three people
• 37:36
  doing 5 million damage can carry a heroic.
• 37:39
  They're not kicking anybody out 'cause they don't care.
• 37:41
  They can solo. Like nobody's getting like, oh,
• 37:44
  someone's. You can't even see that far in
• 37:46
  the damage meter. Nobody's getting kicked off.
• 37:48
  I think it's made-up. I think it's a straw man
• 37:50
  argument that's made-up. It hasn't happened.
• 37:52
  How are you doing that much DPS yet being able to scroll that
• 37:55
  far down into the meter? Like it's insane.
• 37:59
  It's so crazy to me. Yeah, I tell you where they
• 38:01
  where. I get very little bronze firm
• 38:04
  and threads. It's on Twitter, so don't you're
• 38:05
  not getting any there. It doesn't drop from there.
• 38:08
  Get everything to log in. Meanie, that's my answer, I
• 38:11
  think. I think that what they should
• 38:12
  have done for the sake of podcasters like us is they
• 38:14
  should have made it so you can farm by complaining on Twitter.
• 38:17
  Yes, yeah, you get bronze per character.
• 38:20
  One bronze per character. Tweet tweet at your favorite
• 38:23
  podcast and boom. And you 500 bronze per like.
• 38:29
  And I gotta be honest, I wasn't my intention, my, my plan going
• 38:32
  into remix was to spend all of my bronze on cosmetics.
• 38:35
  And then if I had enough time and I wasn't miserable, mounts
• 38:39
  and toys in that order. I played with like I played with
• 38:42
  my friend whose gear is maxed out.
• 38:44
  And it inspired like it made me want to be able to do that.
• 38:48
  I was like, that looked fun. Sorry, that looks like a lot of
• 38:53
  fun. I want to do that.
• 38:54
  And I dumped I I literally have dumped over 225,000 bronze, all
• 38:58
  of which I've gotten from quests, dungeons, rare world
• 39:03
  rares and raids. No farms.
• 39:06
  I've done no hyperspawn farms in the three days that I've been
• 39:09
  playing. So I head over.
• 39:11
  So I also challenge the this is how much woke a person should
• 39:15
  have if they were super active in the game cuz mine is above
• 39:18
  where they think it should have been and I didn't play for.
• 39:21
  Yours above based on when they took the snapshot and they
• 39:25
  didn't have those extra things in cuz they increased from world
• 39:28
  bosses, they increase from rares.
• 39:30
  Those are all sources that they have.
• 39:31
  I've only killed I've only killed the world bosses once and
• 39:34
  it was pre buff anyway. Yeah, I just I think we'll send
• 39:39
  let it go, let it let us see what happens.
• 39:41
  Let us have fun because it doesn't matter.
• 39:43
  Not retail, you know what I mean?
• 39:44
  And then you have people that are still playing season four
• 39:46
  complaining season 4 is not getting balanced like oh,
• 39:48
  they're making changes to remix before they fix Ruby live pools
• 39:51
  and it's like give them a break. How big you think this team is,
• 39:54
  man? Again, it's not.
• 39:58
  Why? There's not like we're putting
• 40:00
  our devs on remix instead of season.
• 40:01
  It's different teams. Sorry.
• 40:05
  Anyway. Second Olive, I need to stop
• 40:09
  snapping on stream. If you ever hear a weird noise
• 40:11
  coming from me, it's because I'll.
• 40:13
  Mete it out. Just Alexis.
• 40:19
  Just just generally, just like you go, girl.
• 40:22
  I don't know. Gaming aspect in chat which is
• 40:25
  like nothing wrong with that. I just picked a dungeon random
• 40:27
  out of my head. Ruby life pools is actually in a
• 40:28
  really great spot right now. Got out to Ruby life pools.
• 40:32
  It's my one of my two weekly keys that I like to run so.
• 40:36
  That's why it's broken. It's fun.
• 40:38
  It's too enjoyable to make a tab.
• 40:41
  Yeah, Manny, I want you to come back and play.
• 40:44
  I know you don't want to do end game, but listen, we clear those
• 40:45
  raids every day, all of them, and I don't care if you do no
• 40:48
  damage, my friend. You can log in and put me on
• 40:50
  slash follow. Get some bronze and buy some
• 40:52
  trans mog. You need it.
• 40:54
  Giving you the victory AFK man I I feel like you're you're trying
• 40:58
  to trick me into. Giving me a friend to play with.
• 41:02
  Trying to recruit a friend here. Lex, you can come too.
• 41:06
  We take bads. I'm a bad.
• 41:08
  Do you do you take level 30? Yeah, yeah.
• 41:10
  I've written levels. I don't care, doesn't matter to
• 41:13
  me what? It's all just bronze farming at
• 41:15
  this point. I think that there are
• 41:16
  characters I do want to level up and I might do that, but like to
• 41:20
  get them onto different servers and it's just a hyper fast way
• 41:22
  to do that. We'll see.
• 41:24
  See. Yeah, anyway, I just, I want
• 41:27
  people to have fun. Play the game how you want to
• 41:29
  play the game. I don't pet battle.
• 41:31
  You don't see me crying that that X is overpowered on pet.
• 41:34
  Yi don't know anything. In case you can't tell, I don't
• 41:38
  know anything about pet, including the names of the pets.
• 41:42
  Lil Tarakosa. There we go.
• 41:44
  I got one there. You go, there you go.
• 41:47
  All right, so the cover off some information so it's not just all
• 41:50
  of us ranting. It's my job.
• 41:53
  You guys are stealing my vibe. 'Cause I'm drinking tonight I'm
• 41:57
  having an Okanagan crisp apple cider.
• 42:01
  Oh, yummy. Yeah, actually sounds pretty
• 42:05
  good. OK.
• 42:06
  They have made buffs, scaling changes, and quality of life
• 42:10
  updates. Two normal scenarios, Normal
• 42:13
  dungeons, Heroic scenarios, Heroic dungeons, Daily infinite
• 42:17
  bizarre quests now reward a cache containing five times as
• 42:22
  much bronze as it did before. They've improved the respawn
• 42:26
  rates of Raiders and treasures across Pandaria.
• 42:30
  They have increased the bronze and increased the drop rate of
• 42:33
  Threads of Time air bronze. So now we've got articles that's
• 42:37
  like you could just fly around and never touch the ground
• 42:40
  because if you fly through them, it'll recover your vigour.
• 42:43
  Never touch the ground and get infinite bronze.
• 42:45
  That is now an option to you if you want to do to do that.
• 42:49
  And I swear that it's more engaging than farming frogs in
• 42:52
  my mind. So I maybe I'll give that a
• 42:54
  shot. We have the following changes to
• 42:58
  improve thread of time gains for the Cloak of infinite potential.
• 43:03
  They now have minor spools, lesser spools, spools, and
• 43:08
  greater spools that now drop from raids and dungeons and all
• 43:13
  of the scenarios as well. They have a variety of stuff
• 43:17
  that's coming from the new from me.
• 43:20
  Well, I don't want to say new, but like from the sources of
• 43:23
  solo and group, which means that you can do all of this stuff and
• 43:28
  get a ton of more bronze than they initially launched with,
• 43:32
  and hopefully that'll be good. One thing that I've always
• 43:35
  wanted to do is the troves of the Thunder King.
• 43:40
  I still have keys on like my live characters for trove of the
• 43:43
  Thunder kings. How many expansions later where
• 43:45
  I'm like, I want to go back there and I want to get like as
• 43:47
  far as I can, because that was that was a really fun scenario.
• 43:52
  If you guys have done that since Pandaria.
• 43:55
  No spoilers, I'm only in the veil of eternal winds.
• 43:58
  OK, Male of four wins. This is this is this is the
• 44:03
  Thunder aisle that people were saying initially was kind of
• 44:07
  hard to get through because the scaling and and such.
• 44:09
  But there is a scenario where you get you get a key, you go
• 44:14
  through and it's just Indiana Jones traps and booby traps and
• 44:18
  you're trying to run through and get through the rooms.
• 44:21
  I think you're like proto Targas, but no fighting, just
• 44:25
  run through. They're super fast.
• 44:26
  It is, it was fun. I loved it.
• 44:29
  I I compared to the Targas and that feels like a disservice.
• 44:31
  I swear. It's fun guys.
• 44:33
  I believe you. They should nerf it though.
• 44:35
  I don't have any reason why they should nerf it, but you're
• 44:36
  ruining my fun. You.
• 44:38
  Have mini you. You really sound like you're
• 44:39
  enjoying this too much. Yeah, I'm going to be tweeting a
• 44:43
  Blizzard. Yeah, I'm doing it right now
• 44:45
  every three years as well. I.
• 44:46
  Mean you don't never smile again, Manny.
• 44:48
  So just FYI, this is a no fun zone.
• 44:51
  This we, we. That's why.
• 44:53
  It's audio first so people don't have to deal with me smiling.
• 44:56
  It is. It is really one of those like
• 45:00
  eating grins for people who never watch live.
• 45:02
  You don't want to see this. That's.
• 45:05
  Not true, Manny, you have a beautiful smile, but what you
• 45:07
  got to do is you got to be me and you got to like, never mute
• 45:10
  your mic when you laugh. So somebody's just making a
• 45:12
  point in the background there. I like it.
• 45:16
  I like those laughs. Well.
• 45:18
  Thank you. They're not stopping.
• 45:19
  I'm not going to start tuning my mic.
• 45:21
  Good, good. There we go.
• 45:23
  Can we Manny? Can we talk about nerfing Lex's
• 45:24
  mic? Beat pocho work.
• 45:28
  I'll just go through OK, Lex, once you're getting that though.
• 45:31
  Just having way too much fun over there.
• 45:32
  Going to remove the Lucky Charms from her mic or whatever.
• 45:37
  Those were gone. We really, Honestly, Manny, if
• 45:42
  you're not married to the the show name yet, we could
• 45:44
  absolutely name it the Murloc episode based on how often we're
• 45:47
  swearing. Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
• 45:52
  You know, I just need to go live like that.
• 45:53
  Nobody ever checks those. Explications.
• 45:55
  I would have to put the explicit tag on it and that literally
• 45:58
  hurts. No, you don't want the explicit
• 46:01
  tag. Oh, maybe that's my problem.
• 46:07
  You know I love. Murlocs.
• 46:10
  Which will also delay me getting you the audio log.
• 46:12
  By the way, you're causing the delay for yourself too.
• 46:15
  No, just send it to me because YouTube doesn't care.
• 46:17
  I think that generally if people can just enjoy it and get around
• 46:23
  the noise that's happening, pen area is great.
• 46:26
  I would say everybody seems to be having fun.
• 46:29
  If you have to deal with the different camps and it is
• 46:33
  different camps of small but very vocal people that are
• 46:37
  apparently getting more results than some of us would like,
• 46:41
  yeah, it can affect your your experience for it you're going.
• 46:44
  To summon a Shaw they literally go through like 20 quests.
• 46:48
  You can't go into Pandaria angry like this is.
• 46:52
  Do you guys not listen to lore mastered show or whoever?
• 46:56
  That, that is true. That is true.
• 46:58
  Just calm down. Yeah, meditate.
• 47:03
  We'll see about the show. Show title.
• 47:06
  With that said, let's switch out from Pandaria looking towards
• 47:10
  the future. We've got new stuff coming to
• 47:13
  the War Within specifically for raiding.
• 47:16
  There is a new mode 1/5 difficulty coming for the raid.
• 47:23
  It is not LFR, it is not normal, it is not heroic, it is not
• 47:26
  mythic. It is story mode and story mode
• 47:31
  was data mined by one of the fan sites earlier on and then a
• 47:35
  thread started on the forms and Blizzard has now confirmed,
• 47:39
  well, not only its existence, but what their intentions are
• 47:43
  for this. So story mode is going to be a
• 47:48
  one time sort of a thing that you can do.
• 47:51
  You can do it repeatedly, but it's meant to be a one time
• 47:54
  thing that you do to get the story out of the raid.
• 47:57
  So many of World of Warcraft's like ultimate conclusions to
• 48:01
  whatever's happening in the patch occurs in in the raids.
• 48:05
  It is stuff that where it's like, oh, the sundered flame are
• 48:10
  up to no good and they're and they're like trying to reclaim
• 48:13
  the legacy. Well, where do you find that?
• 48:15
  You find that in Avarice? This, I think is gonna be
• 48:19
  something, it's something I wanted.
• 48:20
  And I think this is something that we were talking about
• 48:22
  before where I said, well, like LFR, it's really kind of
• 48:25
  splitting itself, serving 2 masters, if you will, the people
• 48:29
  who want to know what in the world's going on and the people
• 48:32
  who want gear out out of it. And so a mode that is set for
• 48:37
  story seems really cool. What's your takes on this, Sean?
• 48:41
  Oh my takes. I have one take nine out of
• 48:44
  10/1. Note this is a absolute banger.
• 48:48
  Do not make people wait for LFR. That's the only ask I have.
• 48:52
  I think this is needed. I think this is great.
• 48:54
  I love this, I'm happy for this. I have a friend who has been a
• 48:57
  solo player since original Mop. She had a poor experience in the
• 49:01
  Guild and then just you know what?
• 49:02
  I'm just going to be alone now and has played solo through the
• 49:05
  game ever since wad started. And she doesn't get to see the
• 49:10
  closing of stories outside of a YouTube video until the next
• 49:13
  expansion when she can go back and one and one man like solo
• 49:16
  the old rights. So this lets her see them.
• 49:19
  And there are if there's one person like that, there are more
• 49:21
  people like that. So I think 100% this is a huge
• 49:27
  win. Big happy for it.
• 49:29
  Just don't time get it behind LFR.
• 49:33
  Put it whenever the last boss of the raid is available to the
• 49:38
  public in normal and heroic and mythic, that's when this should
• 49:41
  go live so that people can see that story at the same time.
• 49:45
  I would say so first to give context cuz that is part of the
• 49:49
  news that I didn't explain. This is going live supposedly
• 49:53
  with the last wing of LFR and it is only the final boss of the
• 49:57
  raid. It's not the entirety of the
• 49:59
  raid. It is one encounter against the
• 50:02
  against the final boss of the raid.
• 50:04
  I'm trying to be a little bit coy there to avoid story
• 50:07
  spoilers, but in terms of when people experience this story, I
• 50:11
  can agree that like having it gated with LFR seems seems poor.
• 50:17
  But I will say that maybe Blizzard does something a little
• 50:21
  bit different. Have it, go ahead, have it
• 50:23
  locked, locked away. But as soon as we get our world
• 50:28
  first AOTC kill. I'm not even talking about wait
• 50:32
  for for mythic week. As soon as we get that world
• 50:35
  first AOTC kill, the next day or next reset.
• 50:39
  I don't know how hard it is technically, right?
• 50:43
  Open up the story mode. Now everybody gets to experience
• 50:45
  it. I'm down with that.
• 50:47
  I can understand. That works for me.
• 50:49
  I'll take it. All right, print it.
• 50:51
  Just Blizzard. Blizzard, if you're still
• 50:52
  watching after Manny told you how mad he was at you from OP
• 50:56
  Remix, Lex and I would like for you to print.
• 51:00
  Lex, you excited for story mode? Yeah, I'm, I'm really excited.
• 51:05
  I, I think this is this is really great.
• 51:08
  I'm really excited about how much World of Warcraft is
• 51:14
  focusing on allowing solo players to play, especially
• 51:17
  because I do think, you know, there, there's something worth
• 51:19
  saying that we are past the, like, golden age of World of
• 51:25
  Warcraft where like every other person you passed on the street,
• 51:28
  you're wearing a World of Warcraft shirt.
• 51:29
  And they're like, oh, for the Alliance, like, we're no longer
• 51:32
  in that time. And I know I've had friends try
• 51:36
  to join World of Warcraft, maybe on a different server, maybe
• 51:39
  weren't like immediately wanting to jump in with my Guild and
• 51:42
  they were just like, there's nothing to do.
• 51:44
  Like I, I am completely alone if I don't do end game, I don't
• 51:47
  feel like I have anything. And so I'm really excited for
• 51:49
  Delves, as everyone knows, because I don't shut up about
• 51:52
  it. And I'm really excited about
• 51:53
  story mode rating. I've heard some controversy in
• 51:56
  my circles about the fact that it's only the final lost.
• 51:59
  Personally, I really do like that a because I am genuinely
• 52:02
  very scared that we are overloading the devs right now.
• 52:05
  Just the sheer number of things that like now they're getting
• 52:08
  also like extra story, extra modes and they're getting
• 52:10
  expansion every other year and we're like like we're we're
• 52:14
  pumping and pumping and pumping. And so I'm scared that if we
• 52:17
  also make them do a fifth rating mode like we are just begging
• 52:21
  these people to be on like constant crunch.
• 52:24
  But also I this is my most unpopular opinion.
• 52:27
  I am actually really pro LFR and I wouldn't want it to be that
• 52:32
  everyone who isn't like, did LFR kind of lose its meaning because
• 52:36
  everyone just does story mode if they aren't trying to push and
• 52:39
  if they're not doing story mode, they do normal.
• 52:41
  Frankly, I want more people. Do LFRI think everyone should be
• 52:43
  doing LFR? It's incredible it, it teaches
• 52:44
  you so many things. There's so many ways to engage
• 52:46
  with it. And the only reason that it is
• 52:48
  toxic and sweaty is because we've abandoned it to the toxic
• 52:51
  sweaty people. And if we had actual good
• 52:53
  players coming in and doing LFR on a regular basis, they would
• 52:55
  shut those people down and be fine.
• 52:56
  Not that this is what we're talking about.
• 52:57
  That's my soapbox of the day. So I'm really pro story mode.
• 53:00
  I think that it's really good. I think that it gives people an
• 53:02
  opportunity to do the things that they want we want to do
• 53:05
  without stepping on toes of other modes that we don't want
• 53:08
  to go away. Yes, Sean.
• 53:10
  I have one question I agree with you elbowed LFR.
• 53:13
  By the way, we do often go in as a group, some of my guildies and
• 53:17
  I and, and it's it's, it's a good time with less suited
• 53:20
  people. My question though, where, where
• 53:23
  the murloc do you live that people are just walking down the
• 53:25
  street screaming for the Alliance and for the Horde?
• 53:30
  Whoa, whoa, I'll fight that. Like I was wearing a Horde shirt
• 53:35
  standing on the street corner. Car comes up, beeps wind down
• 53:39
  the middle. For what?
• 53:41
  The shirt that I'm wearing, Yeah.
• 53:43
  Follow up question, where do you I gotta move to these towns?
• 53:46
  I live in a small rural community.
• 53:48
  Maybe we're the center of the universe.
• 53:50
  I live in a small rural community.
• 53:51
  If you were on the corner of a street and a car stopped and
• 53:53
  yelled something with you, you'd have to call the police.
• 53:58
  I so I feel like this was a lot more true in like wrath, right?
• 54:02
  So I don't I don't know if this is a technical.
• 54:04
  This happened two years ago. This is still current.
• 54:06
  Oh yeah, So some people like Manny live in utopias.
• 54:10
  Alas, some of us don't. But I back I feel like back when
• 54:14
  we were in the like classic through RAF ish mode, part of it
• 54:19
  is that I was a child, right? Like I was in middle school and
• 54:22
  so we were all playing video games because we were middle
• 54:25
  schoolers. But it, it felt a lot more to me
• 54:27
  like any community you go into, if you mentioned World of
• 54:31
  Warcraft, like half the room would be like, Oh, I played you
• 54:35
  and that and that just doesn't feel true anymore, right?
• 54:36
  Like it's, it's not, it's still something that I can very easily
• 54:39
  find people, but it's no longer feeling like if I'm like, oh,
• 54:43
  what do you play? I play World of Warcraft.
• 54:45
  Oh, at least one other person in this group is going to play as
• 54:47
  well. Yeah, the last time I was in the
• 54:49
  middle school classroom and I asked that they were like, why
• 54:51
  are you here? Teacher.
• 54:56
  Who's this sweaty man? Yeah, exactly.
• 55:03
  Sorry. Well, I, I would love to see
• 55:08
  story mode really double down on the story.
• 55:10
  I've said this on social media, but hey, you know what?
• 55:14
  You're listening to a show that I'm on.
• 55:15
  So I'm going to say it again here.
• 55:17
  I would love if the encounter is pretty easy to get through, like
• 55:24
  almost no fail state that it is interrupted so that you can have
• 55:30
  these cool story moments that they wouldn't allow in a normal
• 55:33
  encounter because half the people want to skip it.
• 55:36
  And so that it's like, I, I just want this like Nerubian spider
• 55:41
  Queen, not to just like crawl up the walls, but like be chewing
• 55:45
  up the scenery. Like I just want so much
• 55:47
  personality out of this, out of this.
• 55:50
  And they can do that. When you're doing the fire fight
• 55:54
  right after you defeat him, it immediately gains control of the
• 55:58
  camera. It's pans in.
• 56:00
  So we can do that big thing, do that in the middle of the fight,
• 56:02
  like, oh, phase one. And instead of it, like she
• 56:05
  immediately goes to phase two, little cinematic like heroes now
• 56:09
  my real power or whatever, right?
• 56:11
  Twirls, mustache and stuff. And then you go into the phase
• 56:15
  two, do that stuff that you wouldn't do in a large
• 56:20
  multiplayer environment because everybody is about their time
• 56:24
  and now you're in a private group.
• 56:26
  So if I wanna skip it, so be it. But at least I'm not affecting
• 56:30
  the gameplay because I chose to skip it and my group that I
• 56:34
  personally invited don't do this through any kind of group
• 56:36
  Finder. Blizzard this is walk up to the
• 56:39
  dungeon with my group that I've already arranged, we're all on
• 56:43
  the same page and go and do this.
• 56:45
  And also no repeatable loot. I'm OK with a one time drop, but
• 56:50
  I don't want people going back into this over and over again
• 56:53
  because they want the gear. Which means that if you don't
• 56:56
  like the story, if you don't like the cinematics, you never
• 56:59
  have to see it again. There is nothing pulling you to
• 57:02
  do it. But if you're there and you want
• 57:04
  that story and it's like, oh man, that was so much fun.
• 57:07
  Lex, did you notice this? No, I didn't.
• 57:08
  Come on, Lex, do you group up with me?
• 57:10
  We're going to go do it again. That's the kind of people I want
• 57:12
  doing it over and over again. Right.
• 57:16
  And it's the same thing that we see.
• 57:19
  Let's not talk about our previous subject, but a a less
• 57:22
  controversial thing. It's the same sort of thing that
• 57:25
  we saw with the dialogue in mythic plus with the with the
• 57:32
  mega dungeon. There was all this conversation
• 57:34
  that was cut down when we had back in previous seasons, we had
• 57:39
  God King Scovald and it's like, shut up Scovald, you're wasting
• 57:42
  my timer. But they can do that in a
• 57:44
  cinematic mode that never touches anything to do or do
• 57:49
  with the more competitive modes, including LFR, if you want to
• 57:54
  consider LFR to be a competitive mode.
• 57:57
  And so I want it dedicated to story.
• 57:59
  That's what I want. Yeah, no, I agree.
• 58:01
  I was actually just thinking of saying that what I really want
• 58:03
  is I want story mode and mythic like, because there's nothing or
• 58:05
  mythic plus. I mean, because yeah, it is
• 58:08
  really annoying when you're fighting a timer and like, oh,
• 58:11
  now we're going to stop and role play like.
• 58:13
  But on the other hand, there's some really fascinating,
• 58:15
  beautiful story in those that I wouldn't want lost.
• 58:17
  I would want to be able to access and I think it's just
• 58:20
  it's a little bit the same in in raid, right, where, you know,
• 58:22
  especially with the end bosses where you're going to kill them
• 58:24
  100 times or hit them 100 times before you kill them.
• 58:26
  Like the the the cinematics that come in the middle of it just
• 58:29
  get annoying. Like oh, you think I'm running?
• 58:31
  For. Sorry, Manny.
• 58:33
  Like. That's really.
• 58:36
  Cool. Like it objectively is cool,
• 58:38
  it's just not cool on the 99th time when all I want to do is go
• 58:42
  in and do my do my actual encounter.
• 58:47
  Yeah, and so I think allowing that to to separate out is a
• 58:51
  really it it's good for everyone.
• 58:52
  It means the people who are, you know, doing I'm sure it's even
• 58:55
  worse for worse for the mythic, for world first raters, right.
• 58:58
  I'm so poor one out for you guys.
• 59:00
  Every single time we've had a cutscene in the middle of a
• 59:02
  fight. So I think that it it is a win
• 59:04
  for everyone. Yeah, actually you, you kind of
• 59:07
  kind of sparked an idea in my head.
• 59:09
  When you do follower mode, you can like talk to the follower
• 59:12
  outside the dungeon, be like yeah I really wanna know what's
• 59:15
  happening or whatever little extra dialogue option to get
• 59:18
  expanded dialogue in sequences. Or just like by default, it's
• 59:23
  just run it through as the dungeon should normally be.
• 59:25
  I love that. Lex 10 minutes ago.
• 59:28
  I don't want them to do another full dungeon mode grade mode
• 59:30
  because I'm worried we're taxing the developers too much.
• 59:33
  Manny 3 minutes ago. I want more in fight cutscenes.
• 59:39
  Listen, Taryn Gregory, I'm sorry man.
• 59:42
  I love your work. I just want more.
• 59:44
  More. Oh, Ross, he's too good at his
• 59:47
  job. More in fight cutscenes I want
• 59:50
  in cutscene cutscenes. In cutscenes.
• 59:55
  Cutscenes. Oh, it's just, you know, the
• 59:57
  poor guy, he puts out these two and a half DS and they struggle
• 59:59
  to fit them in somewhere in the cinematic.
• 1:00:01
  You know what? Make it like Frank's Red Hot.
• 1:00:04
  Put that on everything. Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  All right, I'll take it. I'll take it.
• 1:00:10
  How have we not been calling me the Shaun of Anger?
• 1:00:16
  That is great. I thought I was thinking of that
• 1:00:20
  while Manny was trying to add work to the cinematic team.
• 1:00:22
  I was like, oh, that would make me angry.
• 1:00:25
  Wait a second, Shaw of anger. Wait a second.
• 1:00:27
  My name sounds like Shaw. Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Anyway, I waited a long time to say that I want you to.
• 1:00:35
  See, I, I, we, we appreciate your restraint.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah. OK, so story mode, it's cool.
• 1:00:45
  It is going to be just the one boss.
• 1:00:47
  I think that this is a test case.
• 1:00:49
  I know you're talking about that you don't want him to have more
• 1:00:53
  work, but I don't think you can do every dungeon where it's just
• 1:00:56
  the last boss. Think about like.
• 1:00:59
  Oh your follow up girl, I don't think Lex wanted Lex didn't
• 1:01:02
  want. No Lex was saying that the
• 1:01:05
  concern is just the last boss in the raid.
• 1:01:07
  Like, oh. Oh no, So I I think I think
• 1:01:10
  adjusting a raid boss to make it so that you can do story mode
• 1:01:15
  raid with one person like that is a huge ass, right balancing
• 1:01:20
  so that you can go from like abilities that are specked out
• 1:01:25
  to, you know, 20 people and require coordination.
• 1:01:28
  That's really big, right, especially now that like Sean
• 1:01:32
  was saying, we already have have followers in normal dungeons.
• 1:01:37
  I think I mean that would again, we are putting more work on the
• 1:01:41
  story team, but you know, hire Christy Wolbach.
• 1:01:45
  But sorry, I shouldn't say I I, I don't know what happened
• 1:01:47
  behind the scenes, but that the level of work it would take or,
• 1:01:53
  or or even just more. So what I want is just the
• 1:01:56
  dungeons that we already have. But they just like hard cut the
• 1:01:59
  role play right for mythic plus like more adjust up.
• 1:02:04
  Like make it so that it can be done faster and you don't have
• 1:02:07
  to sit and wait while somebody rides in a stupid little boat in
• 1:02:10
  night hold. And less completely rework the
• 1:02:15
  boss fights the way that they are just objectively going to
• 1:02:18
  have to do to make story mode possible and raid.
• 1:02:20
  That would be an absolute nightmare if they're doing that
• 1:02:23
  for like 10 bosses every expansion.
• 1:02:25
  I I think that yeah, it's good that they are pinpointing just
• 1:02:29
  the story moment bosses and then limiting to that for the
• 1:02:32
  workload that you're talking about.
• 1:02:34
  I don't think that's possible in every boss.
• 1:02:36
  Like I think of Sepulchre of the first ones and I don't think you
• 1:02:39
  could skip Andoin. There's no way you do a story
• 1:02:42
  mode for that and skip Andoin, right?
• 1:02:45
  So that's one that needs at least two bosses.
• 1:02:48
  I don't think you do every raid where it's only gonna be one.
• 1:02:53
  And therefore, maybe that's why they tie it to the LFR wings
• 1:02:57
  coming, coming live. But I would still think that
• 1:02:59
  it's like, hey, this boss is now being defeated at the heroic
• 1:03:03
  level. You know that it's being data
• 1:03:06
  mined. The only subset of players that
• 1:03:09
  you're worried about are the players who are ignoring all the
• 1:03:12
  media coverage and all the third party stuff and are now
• 1:03:16
  progressing on their own and are keeping their head in the sand
• 1:03:19
  to not see it. Well, they can just also be
• 1:03:22
  adults and opt not to click into the story mode if they so
• 1:03:25
  choose. And if they make that option,
• 1:03:27
  they have now given their like tacit consent that they wanted
• 1:03:31
  to experience it at that point. And I think so.
• 1:03:34
  I don't we were talking about Blizzard kind of babying or
• 1:03:38
  controlling how people play. This is another one where it's
• 1:03:40
  like, OK, let players make their own bed.
• 1:03:43
  Yeah, and don't listen to the whiners.
• 1:03:45
  Sorry. Don't listen to the people with
• 1:03:47
  concerns. You love that, Sean.
• 1:03:50
  Don't listen to people with concerns, Blizzard.
• 1:03:52
  If somebody comes home with your game, wait.
• 1:03:54
  No, that's not good either. There may be some nuance that
• 1:03:57
  you're missing there in the. Middle No.
• 1:04:00
  No, no, no. I wanna cosign that firmly with
• 1:04:03
  no nuance. Yeah, good.
• 1:04:06
  If someone throw it away. Yeah, I mean, I said doing.
• 1:04:12
  That just say log back on to live servers and it's just like,
• 1:04:16
  well, I've got mail. It's like bug report rejected.
• 1:04:19
  We reject your bug report. This is working as intended.
• 1:04:24
  Has anybody else been bug reporting every spider in the
• 1:04:28
  beta in the alpha bug? I've just been filling them with
• 1:04:32
  bug reports. This is a bug.
• 1:04:34
  Oh no. How helpful.
• 1:04:37
  They they should just be like at a certain point there should be
• 1:04:39
  like ANBC that like comes if it comes and like tracks you down
• 1:04:44
  and like just. Tells me no.
• 1:04:45
  Destroys your character. One shot to your character.
• 1:04:49
  No, no. Well, this has been a lot of
• 1:04:53
  fun. A little ranty of an episode.
• 1:04:56
  That's a great ranty episodes are good episodes, Manny.
• 1:04:58
  This was good content, good radio.
• 1:05:00
  It's I'm glad we were on not all on the same side because it
• 1:05:04
  would have been really boring if we're all like, yeah, the
• 1:05:06
  community is the worst. Where CUNY is the worst but I
• 1:05:10
  have a different take on why the community is the worst now.
• 1:05:13
  Right. Yeah, we all think they're worse
• 1:05:14
  for different reasons. There you go.
• 1:05:17
  But would you have a? Viewer question because we
• 1:05:20
  actually listened to your input. So this week we took a question
• 1:05:25
  from Xander and Xander asked what is your guys and gals best
• 1:05:31
  guess on where sorry on when the war within pre patch will go
• 1:05:36
  live and coincidentally what date do you predict the war
• 1:05:40
  within will launch? And then they go on to say that
• 1:05:46
  their predictions are. Not, no, no, not yet.
• 1:05:49
  We got to give. No, not yet.
• 1:05:50
  OK, we we'll give Xander's predictions slightly later, but
• 1:05:56
  first let's have Sean. What?
• 1:06:00
  I have the dates. OK.
• 1:06:02
  Are you ready? You can put this in your
• 1:06:03
  calendar. You can book your vacation from
• 1:06:05
  work. I have them locked in.
• 1:06:07
  You ready, fam? Mr. Pandaria Remix ends on
• 1:06:11
  August. The 19th is a Monday.
• 1:06:15
  They want us to be able to use the characters from Mop Remix in
• 1:06:21
  The War Within. It's a tool to draw players back
• 1:06:25
  who may have let their sub laps. The tools let people build a
• 1:06:29
  bunch of vaults and have a fun little alt army determine what
• 1:06:31
  their main's going to be. So it will not launch before
• 1:06:34
  that ends because they're going to want those characters to be
• 1:06:36
  able to hit pre patch right away.
• 1:06:38
  They also don't want to have a delay.
• 1:06:39
  So I predict pre patch hits Tuesday August 20th, the day
• 1:06:43
  after Mop Remix ends, and four weeks later on September 17th,
• 1:06:51
  which falls in line with the road map.
• 1:06:53
  All of this, we get the War Within on a launch date and then
• 1:06:58
  we'll have a boat about a month before they hit us with the you
• 1:07:04
  know, that you get that month in, you get that bit of a dip in
• 1:07:06
  the content and then bam, 20th anniversary.
• 1:07:09
  Here's all of the fun stuff we have planned for 20th
• 1:07:12
  anniversary. There are six weeks, I guess
• 1:07:15
  because there's October there. Forgot October completely forgot
• 1:07:18
  a whole month. But that's those are my dates.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, those are my dates, 20th and then the 17th.
• 1:07:23
  Like so you agree with those dates, you have different dates
• 1:07:26
  of your own. The thing is that if we all say
• 1:07:28
  the same dates, it's gonna be really boring.
• 1:07:31
  You can just say you like I have different dates, I can fight
• 1:07:33
  this. So I think that they're gonna
• 1:07:36
  drop War Within pre patch on June 11th because I want it soon
• 1:07:45
  and I think War Within is gonna be coming on July 4th because
• 1:07:50
  it's freedom. That's my date.
• 1:07:55
  Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it blazes.
• 1:07:58
  Wait, wait, I can argue this, I can make this argument because I
• 1:08:02
  I can't argue the pre patch. That's insane.
• 1:08:03
  But July 4th that would because they started with Mop remix,
• 1:08:09
  they started on a Thursday. Why would they want to do
• 1:08:12
  dropping a patch on a Thursday? They're testing it because they
• 1:08:15
  as an American company, want to celebrate.
• 1:08:18
  Are they they? They would like to release this
• 1:08:20
  so they can celebrate America's independence are independence
• 1:08:25
  from Dragonflight. It's war within July 4th.
• 1:08:30
  All right, let's write it down. It's a good thing, I guess.
• 1:08:33
  Nobody knows, right? Yeah, you know what?
• 1:08:36
  I'm going to predict that, Manny.
• 1:08:38
  I I want to say that some guests are as good as others, but I
• 1:08:41
  also just listen deluxe. I would like to predict that
• 1:08:44
  Manny's going to predict. I'm predicting Manny's
• 1:08:47
  prediction that he's going to predict that the War Within
• 1:08:49
  launches on the same day in November that original Warcraft
• 1:08:53
  launched because it's a 20 year anniversary and they're going to
• 1:08:56
  launch it to restart the war with the World World Soul Saga
• 1:08:59
  on the same day that original Warcraft launched on the like,
• 1:09:01
  November 6th or something. No.
• 1:09:05
  Didn't predict right? I'm a bad predictor.
• 1:09:09
  I would I would put money on that they would avoid having
• 1:09:12
  that kind of overlap. They would have the the event
• 1:09:15
  there so that it stands on its own separate from any other any
• 1:09:21
  other patch stuff happening. Also, we would also see stuff in
• 1:09:26
  the data mining that would that would point towards anniversary
• 1:09:29
  stuff. Don't come at us with math.
• 1:09:32
  Don't do that. No, it's not math.
• 1:09:34
  It is data, but it's not math. I'll position that.
• 1:09:39
  E manifesto I've got FAC. OK, I sincerely doubt that any
• 1:09:46
  kind of beta test with scenario lasts less than six weeks.
• 1:09:51
  Generally want to give them two months.
• 1:09:54
  I don't think we're getting beta this week.
• 1:09:56
  I think we're getting beta actually next week.
• 1:09:58
  If I were to take a guess at it. We still are waiting on a entire
• 1:10:03
  hero spec for the rogues. I know earlier in an early
• 1:10:06
  episode I had said that we had the last one with shamans.
• 1:10:10
  No, it looks like rogues got screwed more than shamans.
• 1:10:12
  Go figure. Anyways, and you cannot have a
• 1:10:15
  beta that actually prescribes to the to beta without having all
• 1:10:20
  features actually active. Betas have to be feature
• 1:10:24
  complete, period. Anyways, for that reason, I
• 1:10:28
  think we've got at least two weeks left in alpha beta
• 1:10:32
  release, roughly 8 months. I don't think you do a live
• 1:10:38
  simultaneous launch on a Tuesday.
• 1:10:40
  I think it's either going to be a Monday or it's going to be
• 1:10:44
  something like a Thursday. They they typically want to have
• 1:10:48
  a day afterwards to make sure things are stable and and such
• 1:10:51
  before they take off for the weekend.
• 1:10:54
  So I know people are pointing at Tuesdays, don't point at
• 1:10:57
  Tuesdays. It's probably going to be
• 1:10:59
  Monday, Monday or Thursday or the launch now for when we get
• 1:11:05
  the actual beta. Remember that they are going to
• 1:11:08
  have people coming in. Sorry, rather the pre patch
• 1:11:12
  rather remember that they're going to have people who want to
• 1:11:15
  come in and use their characters, but remember that
• 1:11:18
  they also want some stability, make sure that everything's
• 1:11:21
  working right before they unleash characters into in an
• 1:11:23
  event. So I actually push it back a
• 1:11:26
  week from when Pandaria ends. I think they have Pandaria end.
• 1:11:29
  They put out the new patch so that they can clean out all that
• 1:11:32
  data and it just isn't in the build.
• 1:11:35
  We already talked about spaghetti code they want to
• 1:11:37
  build that doesn't have legacy code from from like Thunderstorm
• 1:11:43
  or from, from Pandaria. So I suspect you're right that a
• 1:11:48
  build will show up right after the launch or sorry, the the
• 1:11:52
  conclusion of Pandaria. But I suspect there's going to
• 1:11:57
  be at least a week before an event happens just so they can
• 1:12:02
  make sure everything's stable before the event goes live.
• 1:12:04
  Beyond that, I think Sean, you got some pretty good, good
• 1:12:08
  guesses. I'll just shift them based on
• 1:12:10
  what I just said one week later. Good guesses.
• 1:12:13
  You don't think I have good? Guesses, Manny.
• 1:12:15
  I just I. Just want to be objective Lex.
• 1:12:19
  Those glasses on point right? Smile on fire.
• 1:12:23
  Your guess is trash. Manny hates Manny hates. 4th of
• 1:12:27
  July confirmed he hates. Manny hates America.
• 1:12:32
  What are you talking about? Look shirt blue background red
• 1:12:35
  and white. I got America baby stand.
• 1:12:38
  With us, Manny, we're going to be getting war with him on July
• 1:12:42
  4th. Listen, everybody knows that
• 1:12:44
  Independence Day is as an excuse for people to celebrate my
• 1:12:47
  birthday weekend. Moving on.
• 1:12:50
  OK, what did What did Xander say?
• 1:12:53
  What were his guesses? Zander.
• 1:12:56
  Let's see what the adult in the. Room said has the pre patch
• 1:13:00
  prediction of August 20th which lines up with what you were
• 1:13:04
  saying. Great guess.
• 1:13:05
  Xander's a smart. I've always said Xander's a
• 1:13:07
  smart guy. I've said it for a long time.
• 1:13:10
  Many people, many people said Xander knows predictions.
• 1:13:14
  Many people are saying it. Everybody's talking about it.
• 1:13:16
  I once had a big, strong guy come to me.
• 1:13:18
  He was a Marine. He came up to me.
• 1:13:19
  He was crying, and he was like, Xander really knows his
• 1:13:22
  predictions. And I was like, yeah, Xander's
• 1:13:24
  pretty good at predictions. He was like, thank you, Mr. Mr.
• 1:13:28
  Military almost gave away the joke there.
• 1:13:36
  OK? Xander then goes on to say that
• 1:13:39
  the launch will be September 17th.
• 1:13:43
  Listen, I, I don't, I don't know Xander personally.
• 1:13:47
  I don't, I've never met him. I've never seen, I've never met
• 1:13:48
  him. But I've heard good things.
• 1:13:49
  I've heard a lot of people talking.
• 1:13:51
  Many people have said it. Xander really knows his
• 1:13:52
  predictions. Plus the three days early access
• 1:13:57
  that we get would mean that we get that early access going into
• 1:14:00
  a weekend, which is typically when you want it.
• 1:14:03
  So I will say to give exact dates right, we have Pandaria
• 1:14:09
  ending 19th the the patch that includes the pre patch event
• 1:14:14
  20th right? But the pre patch not until
• 1:14:19
  either the 26th or the 29th. And you can you can jot these
• 1:14:25
  down. OK, a range of dates, man.
• 1:14:28
  He's like between the 20. Six no, no, I'm saying I'll be
• 1:14:30
  fine. I'll put it I'll put it out.
• 1:14:32
  I'll put it out on I'll put it out on the 29th OK global
• 1:14:39
  global. Oh, sorry, no, this is pre
• 1:14:42
  patch. So pre patch I'll actually say
• 1:14:43
  on the 27th in NA, OK, so that people don't go like oh, it
• 1:14:48
  happened in the UK on the 28th and then in in another place in
• 1:14:54
  the 28th or 29th, whatever 27th NA OK, pre patch event happens
• 1:15:02
  for roughly 2 weeks, which means I'm putting the launch global
• 1:15:09
  launch for this on. I'm going to say the 12th.
• 1:15:15
  That's a really short. OK, I'm gonna.
• 1:15:18
  I know. Two weeks were pre patched.
• 1:15:20
  So I know we joked about no predictions or bad predictions
• 1:15:22
  but a two week pre patch is really short.
• 1:15:25
  Yeah, that's the worst prediction anyone's made today,
• 1:15:27
  actually. That is yeah, I'm gonna.
• 1:15:30
  Chat agrees. Chat agrees.
• 1:15:31
  That is the worst prediction. Anyone pre pre?
• 1:15:35
  This is a simple pre patch event.
• 1:15:37
  It's gonna be like 2 weeks. Like remember the war of thorns?
• 1:15:41
  We had one week of like one part, second week was was the
• 1:15:46
  next part I. Mean what was the worst?
• 1:15:49
  That was BF as free patch. Oh yeah, sorry.
• 1:15:53
  Continue. You can make your bad
• 1:15:54
  predictions because it's going to be July 4th, but you guys can
• 1:15:56
  keep going. OK, also remember we have a
• 1:15:59
  three day advance. So mad if it's July 4th.
• 1:16:05
  You know what? I will buy an Americana hat and
• 1:16:09
  we will have our first, our first, our first week.
• 1:16:13
  Like, how did it go? It's like, I don't know, guys.
• 1:16:16
  I was too busy celebrating. Freedom.
• 1:16:18
  I'm going to get an iheart lex flag and hang it up in the back
• 1:16:21
  of my room here if it's. July.
• 1:16:25
  I change it, I'm getting the iheart Lex flag.
• 1:16:26
  That's what we're doing. Can I just say to this is to any
• 1:16:30
  the the Blizzard developers we know we are who are listening to
• 1:16:32
  this, you have an opportunity to think hilarious.
• 1:16:43
  Relax 30 minutes ago. I don't really want to add much
• 1:16:45
  more work to Blizzard to play Lex.
• 1:16:46
  Now I'm going to make you a cross.
• 1:16:48
  Way is it maybe a Blizzard you made this?
• 1:16:51
  Now I'm amazing he's overworked. That guy could roll in a hill
• 1:16:54
  and die after he edits this episode.
• 1:16:57
  You. Got it, Manny.
• 1:16:59
  That's exactly everybody care about you develop my game.
• 1:17:07
  Guys this was a lot of fun episode.
• 1:17:09
  I really enjoyed this. Yes guys, this, this, this was
• 1:17:13
  truly fun. I know I've got a lot of work
• 1:17:15
  left to do, but I hope that you guys enjoy it after what I have
• 1:17:20
  to do. Just don't take the explicit tag
• 1:17:22
  on it. Just let it go with the curses.
• 1:17:23
  Somebody's been happy before. That Manny shut us down, take
• 1:17:26
  out, take down the entire show cancel I feel like I.
• 1:17:30
  Literally have a question in my in my other show where I asked
• 1:17:33
  people to say their favorite curse word and I've not once
• 1:17:35
  used the explicit tag. We, we are you.
• 1:17:38
  Do you? You have episodes where they
• 1:17:40
  swear less than 3 / 3 times. Yeah, I'm in them.
• 1:17:43
  I'm in all of those episodes. There's definitely more than
• 1:17:46
  three years in this, OK. Then there can be an issue, I
• 1:17:50
  don't know. Yeah, there's What's the youth?
• 1:17:57
  Guys, when we're not corrupting the youth, you can check us out
• 1:18:01
  on the fast discord that is bit dot LY slash fast discord.
• 1:18:05
  And until next week, may all your effing hits be effing
• 1:18:10
  grits. Good night.