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Soil, Rain, and Real Talk - Garden Buddies Live [11.15.2025] · Garden America Saturday

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Garden America, the country's most listened to gardening show,
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  Speaker 1: where we talk about gardening, horticulture, landscaping, and more. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: we'll discuss anything that has to do with growing plants
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  Speaker 1: and keeping your yard in tip top shape. Now here
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  Speaker 1: are your hosts, Brian Maine, John Bagnasco, and Tiger Palafox
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  Speaker 1: on the Garden America Radio and Media Network.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good morning, here we are and welcome one and all.
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  Speaker 2: It is the Garden America Show with myself, Brian Maine,
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  Speaker 2: John Begnasco, Tiger Palafox. We are broadcasting and may I
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  Speaker 2: say it's a privilege to be broadcasting from the palatial
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  Speaker 2: John Begnasco estate located in beautiful Faulberg, California, just outside
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  Speaker 2: of San Diego, California, actually north of downtown San Diego
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  Speaker 2: and very impressive. John, thank you for having us in
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  Speaker 2: your library. Let's just hope things go well this morning
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  Speaker 2: for us in all facets of broadcasting the Garden America Show.
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  Speaker 3: You saw the Garden America cartoon this week.
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  Speaker 2: I did a great job and you gave me Santa attention.
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  Speaker 3: Is very simple too. It's just your garden buddy standing
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  Speaker 3: out in the rain, and you going, we needed this.
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  Speaker 2: Actually I looked at the forecast on my phone. Now
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  Speaker 2: you have the various weather weather centers you can go to,
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  Speaker 2: some iracurate, some not. So my phone shows rain all week,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, every day. Right, so I guess we can
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  Speaker 2: expect a lot of moisture, a lot of rain here
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  Speaker 2: in southern California. And as you mentioned, we need it,
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  Speaker 2: we did.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what, the way it started out. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know about San Diego Tiger, but here it's a soft,
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  Speaker 3: gentle rain, so it soaks into the ground and it's
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  Speaker 3: not washing stuff away.
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  Speaker 4: And you know there there is the big talk right
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  Speaker 4: now of the Malibu area where they had those wildfire
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  Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff, and you know it's
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  Speaker 4: a very valid concern. But like you say, John, as
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  Speaker 4: long as it kind of stays with this kind of steady,
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  Speaker 4: soft right that happens, it gives a chance for the
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  Speaker 4: earth to absorb it. You know, the drains work properly,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, everything is good. It's when we get
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  Speaker 4: those hard rains that it begins to wash down the
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  Speaker 4: hill slide.
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  Speaker 2: Hard consh exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And and then long term too, because you know the
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  Speaker 4: other thing that happens is, you know, when we get
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  Speaker 4: a lot of frequent rains, then it.
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  Speaker 3: Builds final Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 4: That's when it becomes so heavy and now it starts
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  Speaker 4: to you know, break away, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's when trees fall over.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna add, a wind comes up and when
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  Speaker 4: it's so soft. Yeah, and you it's funny that when
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  Speaker 4: that happens, you see these massive trees and they fall
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  Speaker 4: over and then you look at the roots and you're like,
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  Speaker 4: how was that?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Now, it doesn't necessarily have to be a shallow
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  Speaker 2: root system either, does it. No?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, is soft ground right? If you've got a
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  Speaker 3: tree that's rooted into rock, that's gonna stay.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna stay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So is that our tip for the day to just
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  Speaker 2: plant rocks, root it in rock with your trees exactly. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's welcome our friends.
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  Speaker 3: On good title for a book, root It in Rock?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, rooted rooted in rock. Yeah, there you go, you
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  Speaker 2: can have it.
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  Speaker 3: Pick your group.
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  Speaker 2: Let's walcome our friends on biz talk Radio. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much Stephanie and her crew keeping us on the
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  Speaker 2: air and a very very accommodating for them. Also to
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  Speaker 2: play some rerun some replays when we don't have a
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  Speaker 2: show of that particular weekend, but we are back live
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  Speaker 2: and again it's John Begnasco's house. I like the extra
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  Speaker 2: added touch that John Addams since the last time we
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  Speaker 2: were here twenty four to seven Valet Parking, and he's
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  Speaker 2: also hired a security guard which I saw outside Laslow.
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  Speaker 2: Laslow the security guard who was actually hired to watch
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  Speaker 2: out for John's roses. It seems to be a nice guy.
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  Speaker 2: So you've done quite well Valet Parking and Laslow the
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  Speaker 2: security guard.
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  Speaker 3: I think I added I don't know if you guys
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  Speaker 3: were here since I added the bookend to my You know,
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of gardening books. Yes, you can
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  Speaker 3: see behind.
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  Speaker 2: Is there one book in here that's not gardening? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I have a whole lot of fantasy books.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, really that's another show.
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  Speaker 3: In books about dragons and things. So I edited that
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  Speaker 3: book end up there.
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  Speaker 4: The dragon booke nd. Yeah, that kind of I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Tossy would love that one. Yeah, that's fun.
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  Speaker 2: It's very scary.
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  Speaker 4: Do you ever walk in here at night and just
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  Speaker 4: get a little creeped out?
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  Speaker 3: I usually turned the light on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're also in the gargoyles too, right, I
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  Speaker 2: thought you were a gargoing guy.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, gargle is what I'd like to do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you learn something new every day. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the show. Do we any comments? You had Tiger
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  Speaker 2: people tuning in?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know our buddy and uh Pakistan is tuned in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I hope everything's going well out there now. Trying to
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  Speaker 3: think is their weather? Their weather is probably a little
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  Speaker 3: colder than.
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  Speaker 4: Ours, I assume.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what you were talking. We were talking
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  Speaker 3: about trees there. To try to bring us back on subject,
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  Speaker 3: and I got an email this week from John Malar,
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  Speaker 3: who is the one who built the ship that's in
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  Speaker 3: San Diego.
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  Speaker 4: Harbor, the Surprise, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Which I think now is a floating museum.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He runs a bed and breakfast, a historical bed and
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  Speaker 3: breakfast in Virginia, and he sent me an article that
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  Speaker 3: he wrote on mahogany trees growing in Virginia. Really in
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  Speaker 3: mahogany trees, you know, are tropical, right, and there's no
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  Speaker 3: way they would grow. But he was talking about how
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  Speaker 3: they had discovered in the seventeen hundreds or eighteen hundreds
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  Speaker 3: that Mahogan like if you build a ship out of oak,
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  Speaker 3: it's oaks rotted in twenty five years. But on mahogany,
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  Speaker 3: they found they were good for one hundred years. So
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  Speaker 3: they crossed the mahogany tree with a little hardier type
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  Speaker 3: of mahogany, and they got these trees that they planted.
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  Speaker 3: But to harvest mahogany wood takes one hundred years to
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty years, and by the time the
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  Speaker 3: trees were tall enough.
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  Speaker 4: They stopped building ships at it.
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  Speaker 3: No, they forgot why they plant, so no one knew.
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  Speaker 3: So those trees are still over there.
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  Speaker 2: They have.
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  Speaker 3: He said they'd cut off some branches to make furniture
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  Speaker 3: out of which is kind of cool. But I never
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  Speaker 3: even thought of growing mahogany here.
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  Speaker 2: Is it not supposed to grow or thrive in Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: It's supposed to be a tropical tree, so it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: the cold at all?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, at all?
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  Speaker 2: So what's different just the way they crossed it, you said,
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  Speaker 2: with something else?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'd have to give more into the
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  Speaker 3: art article he was talking about. There's a Cuban mahogany,
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  Speaker 3: there's an American mahogany. I'd have to get into it anyway.
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  Speaker 3: It was just something I was surprised, you know, every
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  Speaker 3: now and then I'd get something from a listener or
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  Speaker 3: something someone tell us us something I just never even
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  Speaker 3: thought about before.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and I think it just brings us back to
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  Speaker 4: reminding us that, you know, all the things that we
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  Speaker 4: take for granted because we just assume oak pine, mahogany
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  Speaker 4: epey teak, you know, are such readily available lumber out there.
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  Speaker 4: But at one point in time, trade was very difficult.
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  Speaker 4: Things that we didn't know how things grew, and in
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  Speaker 4: order to get that particular product you had to go
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  Speaker 4: to the place where it was native to and where
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  Speaker 4: it was from right in order to harvest it. Uh
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  Speaker 4: you know, I mean it's it's amazing when you go
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  Speaker 4: into Costa Rica. Do you remember driving through Costa Rica
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  Speaker 4: and seeing the teak fields that they have planted and
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  Speaker 4: how that grows and they talk about the process of
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  Speaker 4: growing it there and how many years it takes for
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  Speaker 4: them to grow and it still takes a lot of time,
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  Speaker 4: but it grows great there. It's one of the ideal
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  Speaker 4: environments for it to grow there, you know. But it's
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  Speaker 4: the investment. It's not one hundred years. But it's but
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  Speaker 4: it's not tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: I think in the tropics that takes one hundred years.
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  Speaker 4: Also for mahogany. Yeah, not for teak though, I think
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  Speaker 4: remember they were talking about teak was I think like
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  Speaker 4: ten ten or twelve years or something like that. But
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  Speaker 4: but mahogany, it takes one hundred years. Even there.
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  Speaker 3: There's some crops that are really long, like cork. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you're going to plant a cork oak,
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  Speaker 3: you're looking at close to about one hundred years.
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  Speaker 4: Yep. And it's crazy the way that they do it
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  Speaker 4: because it's actually a very let's say, sustainable practice in
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  Speaker 4: the sense of.
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  Speaker 3: They're stripping the bark.
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  Speaker 4: They're stripping the bark. Where you know a tree for
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  Speaker 4: harvesting it, you cut down the tree and you got
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  Speaker 4: to plant a new one. Right for for cork, even
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  Speaker 4: though it's a long practice, what they do is they
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  Speaker 4: strip the bark and then they have to wait for
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  Speaker 4: that bark to grow again. But they don't kill the tree,
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  Speaker 4: you know, which is nice because the bark rows again.
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  Speaker 4: Like you're saying, it takes eighty years for the bark
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  Speaker 4: to grow again, and then you can strip the bark again.
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  Speaker 4: But but uh, you know, I mean, at least it's
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  Speaker 4: not cutting down the tree like you know some of the.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff that we actually drawing it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, carkoaks do really well in California.
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  Speaker 4: They love it.
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  Speaker 2: Sharon had one right on their driveway, well next to
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  Speaker 2: the driveway.
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  Speaker 3: You remember that. Sharon told us that's the reason they
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  Speaker 3: bought that house because they pulled up and Bruce saw
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  Speaker 3: the cork tree with a branch coming over the driveway
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  Speaker 3: and he said, we're buying the south.
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  Speaker 2: You know what. I understand that. I get that, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's something that I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Do we see a lot of cork trees. We do,
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  Speaker 4: but you don't recognize it. Yeah, I will say, as
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  Speaker 4: John mentioned, actually do really well here in southern California,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of people do have them in landscapes
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  Speaker 4: and they don't even know that they have them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They look like rein oak tree. They look like like
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  Speaker 4: a live oak tree to be really old. Yeah, you know, and.
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  Speaker 3: I remember if Brus and Sharon's you could go up
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  Speaker 3: and you could push on the bar y.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was soft exactly. Let's see, we've got about
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  Speaker 2: about thirty seconds until the first break here. We've got
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  Speaker 2: John's quart of the Week. We're going to go in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of directions today again, a lot of rain
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  Speaker 2: here in San Diego, southern California, which is big news
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  Speaker 2: to us, usually front page news when it rains and
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  Speaker 2: people can't drive and they're sliding off the roads and
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  Speaker 2: so on and so forth. So we're going to take
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  Speaker 2: a break for our friends on biz Talk Radio. Our
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  Speaker 2: joining us. Yeah, we're broadcasting from John's Library in Fallbrook, California.
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  Speaker 2: Do stay with us. I'm Brian Maine, John BG Nasco,
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  Speaker 2: Tucker Pella Fox back after these messages on biz Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian,
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  Speaker 5: John and Tiger.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, we're back after that break biz Talk Radio
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  Speaker 2: I see all the familiar names. A few new people
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  Speaker 2: pop up now and then John and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: take your questions, your comments. We've got the quarter of
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  Speaker 2: the week, and hopefully you did get the newsletter this
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  Speaker 2: week and every week regardless of whether we're on the
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  Speaker 2: air or not, the newsletter comes your way.
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  Speaker 4: Ye speaking of newsletter. Yeah, Veronica, yes, uh, Veronica said
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  Speaker 4: the news the news John wants me to read it because.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, because the.
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  Speaker 2: Newsletter was great.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, that one thousand year old year rose his that
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  Speaker 4: one thousand year rose history was fabulous. I love Tanya's
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  Speaker 4: coles of the bee on Salvia was cool.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ton, you're the picture of the bee.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, right, Robin, that view is lovely, Beth Maria Elena
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  Speaker 4: Roses or gorgeous. Thank you all for sharing. You know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: great great newsletter. Lots of great articles that John puts
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  Speaker 4: in stories. Uh, I was busy in the beginning. Did
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  Speaker 4: we already do quote of the week?
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  Speaker 2: No, we haven't.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I was gonna say, I don't think we heard that.
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  Speaker 2: So however, there we have. We have mentioned so many
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  Speaker 2: poignant things. You would have thought that there was a quote.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah there.
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  Speaker 4: Well, but I like the quote of the week this week.
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  Speaker 4: You know, not that I don't like it every week, but.
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  Speaker 2: Some weeks are they hit you a little different.
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  Speaker 4: John, like he was kind of saying, hit the newsletter
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  Speaker 4: right with the timing, you know, like meaning the what's
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  Speaker 4: happening today with the rain and the season and stuff
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  Speaker 4: and the news and the quote of the week I
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  Speaker 4: thought was was right on.
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  Speaker 2: With John never falls too far behind pop culture, that's
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Well, now that you built it up, the quote is
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  Speaker 3: the leaves fall, the wind blows in the farm country
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  Speaker 3: slowly changes from the summer cottons into its winter walls.
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  Speaker 4: And I do feel today truly does mark that change
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  Speaker 4: for southern California after this, I don't think we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: get I mean, we might get a sunny, warm day, but.
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  Speaker 2: It's high's next week in the high fifties, low sixties exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I like. Let me put that rob on again,
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  Speaker 2: give me those warm fuzzy slippers.
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  Speaker 3: Well you pointed out earlier that we it came after
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  Speaker 3: a ninety degree day. Yeah, so it feels more like
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  Speaker 3: a change.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't gradual, it was it was literally overnight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, literally overnight.
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  Speaker 4: Let me see here, hastam mahogany is a new plant
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  Speaker 4: here in Pakistan. Ah, look at that and nursery community.
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  Speaker 4: Few nurserymen have imported their seed from India and other
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  Speaker 4: tropical countries. Let's uh, let's see their future in Pakistan
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  Speaker 4: and their standard of wood. But Pakistani social media and
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  Speaker 4: nursery men are highlighting it and attracting their customers to
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  Speaker 4: buy and plant it. So so so so they're finding
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  Speaker 4: it grows there. They're they're bringing in, they're giving it
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  Speaker 4: a shot. You know, we'll see the long term results
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  Speaker 4: from it. You know, it might grow for a while and.
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  Speaker 2: I won't you know. Yeah, how many years are we talking?
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  Speaker 4: I mean from seed? Yeah, from seed it would take.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, you're not going to make it either.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say, but there are different species of mahogany,
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  Speaker 3: so maybe there are some faster growing ones.
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  Speaker 4: But I will say, and this is a big thing
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  Speaker 4: with lumber is they're talking about the difference in wood today.
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  Speaker 4: As far as you know, we we tend to grow
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  Speaker 4: would a little bit quicker, you know. You you know,
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  Speaker 4: we've talked about this before with tomatoes. When you have
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  Speaker 4: rapid growth on tomatoes, how the plant actually reacts and
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  Speaker 4: how it's a weaker plant and you know, not as good, right,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And that's the same with lumber. They're really
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  Speaker 4: forcing these trees to grow quicker than they should and
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  Speaker 4: then the lumber is not as strong as it once was.
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  Speaker 3: And California found that out with the eucalyptus. Right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: remember they thought that would be They were planted originally
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  Speaker 3: for the lumber industry exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And just because it's a fast growing tree doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: that that wood is going to turn into something better.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that the same reasoning that we talked about when
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  Speaker 2: you have plants that have accelerated growth the same way,
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  Speaker 2: that's not their norm. And how the cell walls become thin.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, then you get well, in woody plants, you
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  Speaker 3: have weak would.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, but nobody wants weak would.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, that's horrible. You know, you pointed out something
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  Speaker 3: that I never thought about before. You know, everybody always
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  Speaker 3: talks about lumberjacks, but today shouldn't there be lumber jills.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, Yeah, there aren't.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I haven't heard of any.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there you go, ladies, there's it looks like a
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  Speaker 2: job opening for lumber jills, lumbered jills. Right.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people are pointing that out. Tiger, you
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  Speaker 3: were talking about the thousand year old tree, and Brian,
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned I mentioned when you came in this morning
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  Speaker 3: to me that you really liked Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I like the picture, I liked everything about the article.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, occasionally you'll get a question tiger,
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  Speaker 3: like how long does this plant live?
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  Speaker 4: Live?
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  Speaker 3: So that thousand year old rose tree not only lived
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  Speaker 3: and thrive, but survived some wars that had been bombed
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  Speaker 3: and still came up.
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  Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know when we were touring England
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  Speaker 4: and we were touring some of the grounds of those
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  Speaker 4: estates and they were saying, you know, this oak tree's
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  Speaker 4: probably you know, eight hundred years old oak tree's X
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  Speaker 4: and you know, and you're thinking the kings and queens
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: that have walked under that tree, or the war that
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: happened in front of that castle, you know, and to
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: it's really kind of puts in perspective plants because they
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: they don't respond quickly as we think that they would,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: but you know, they're they're very sturdy, and it's kind
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: of a neat thing.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Didn't we see olive trees in France or a thousand
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: years thousand years old right now to the Roman reservoir,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: right Yeah.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: And don't they like take cuttings from those to create
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: new because they feel like that tree kind of has
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: something special about it that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: What's the name of the company in the United States
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: that sells historical trees.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Oh you know, like I know what you're trying to say,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: but I can't.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it would be at one point they had
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: a tree that was from Sherwood forest, right, and you
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: could plant this tree in your yard that came from
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: a cutting of tree of forest in England, or.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Or of the fruit tree, you know, like this fruit
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: tree was known for this or for being in this story.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: You know, this was from a tree that Johnny apple
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Seed planted. Yeah, I forget the name of that. It's
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: something about heritage, heritage or historical tree. But I was
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: gonna make a point with that night.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Well, but we were talking about the olive us because I
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: feel a lot of times olives and grapes, you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: those companies they pride themselves on having a a thing
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: about that olive tree, about that grape and so therefore
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: when you get a cutting from that tree, now you
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: can say, well, oh, well, you know this olive has
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: this particular you know, character or whatever, and and it's
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: the only one because that's the only tree that has it,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: you know. And a lot of old vineyards would have
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: their mother stock grape plant that they would take the
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: cuttings from to produce more of those grapes. But you
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: know they that they had that motherstock plant that they
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: had was protected and they always tried to keep that
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: one safe. Wasn't. There was a Canu Reeves movie I
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: feel about that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Wasn't Jenna Reeves.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, saving one like a grape Like there was a
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: grape vineyard and there was a fire and they were
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: so worried about this one grape.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: No, no listeners will welcome the matrix. I don't know.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: That's a great time to go anywhere. Go into our
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: next ruscial break on BIS Talk Radio. All right, that's
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the end of segment number two. Here Guard in America.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: John Beg NASCAR's House, Fallbrook, San Diego, California, rainy weather.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: We're loving it. Hope you're doing well. We're going to
• 19:45
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• 19:48
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• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio show with Brian,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: John and Tiger.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Guess what we are back from that break. We hope
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: you had a good break. BITS Talk Radio Facebook Live.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you to all the regulars who are tuned in
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: and yeah, those that are just joining us. If you're
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: a new listener, if you're a new viewer, we appreciate it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: It is Garden America got a great background. I mean,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: look at I'm looking at the monitor, and I know
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: all those books.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: We need the fireplace going john Oh yeah, yeah exactly.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: He's got and bring out your pipe and slippers exactly.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I always used to want to smoke a pipe. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: never did.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: They smelled so good, right, yeah, yeah right, And.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I would read uh books like Tolkien there you go
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: smoking pipes or wizards smoking pipes. And I had an
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: uncle that we'd go over to his house and always
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: had the pipe smoke.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Really. Yeah, there's a place in old Town that does tobacco, yes,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: and I loved walking into that smell.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Right yeah. Yeah, you know, I was in high school.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Buddy of mine and I we kind of got on
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the pipe kick and you could buy like cherry flavored tobacco,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you know, all that all that kind of stuff, and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: it really, I mean, what were we doing. High school
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: kids don't look aot smoking pipes. Now I'm talking about tobacco. No,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about I'm talking about tobacco. Oh but yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: but yeah, that was. That was and I think I
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: got a corn cob pipe one time. Oh yeah, I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: went through a hillbily face.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: For about a month or so, we need I.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Need John to address this because John Livingston wrote a
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: message and hey, John, did you get the nineteen fifty
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: four Rose Society Annual I sent you? Now that I
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: see your library, you probably already had it. And yes,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I want to make sure it did come to me.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: And I did give it to you.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Yes it did. As a matter of fact, you gave
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: it to me at the auction. Yeah, the Rose auction,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: which was about a couple of weeks ago. Weeks ago, Yeah, exactly,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I did get it. Yeah, thank you John.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: That's awesome that he thought of you. You know, I
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: found that. I found that cruising the racks of uh
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: used books. And just whenever you to all of our listeners,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: whenever you are looking at old used books, if there's
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: a garden book, you know, a, there's a really good
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: chance John has it. B Hey, you never know, it
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: could be the one that he's missing.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: So not speaking of that. So the house was built
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a couple of two or three years ago. When this
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: room was finished, and it was all blank, bear nothing
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: in it. Then you brought your books in little by little,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and I assume you did it all by yourself.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Bringing them in.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it is I mean, I mean you,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I mean you. It looks like it took you how
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: long to put them all up? Where you want to.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Remember the I don't know if you guys remember my
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: old house, but I to some degree an office and
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: it had bookshelves in there that we bookcases that we
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: had got from Costco, I think, and the books there
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: were all arranged by by subject matter. When we moved
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and we lived in a trailer here for two years,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: so we had storage. I set those bookshelves up in
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: storage and put the books in the storage the way
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: that they were supposed to be. So when we moved
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: stuff out of storage, it was the same thing. They
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: came back the way that they had gone in. The
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: difference was in my old house, not only did I
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: have the office filled with books, I had one of
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the spare bedrooms filled with books, and the garage filled
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: with books. So they were everywhere.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Now they're all in here.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Now they're pretty much all in here. Yeah, have room
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: for more.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have a camera behind us, because
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: there's actually a lot of books in front of us too,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: so the people watching are seeing just a fraction actually,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: because over to the left, to the center, to the right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: there's books everywhere, the books on look at the look
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: at the books almost on the ceiling. Had left of me.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well I and for people that have been
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: following in this show for a while, this isn't the
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: first time we've done a show in the library. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: when we did our first show in the library, you
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: were not done putting the books away. Oh really, yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: I remembers still had room. And even as we've come
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: through the you know, years of coming up here, you
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: had room, and I'm not seeing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Much room left. You know, you're done.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: There's like one corner up there. You know, maybe if
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: we take away this little statue and make some room
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: up there.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: You got to have the occasional knickknack statues. You can't
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: all be books.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: No, there's a few collections, I.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Think so, at least I would.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: There's a few collective in here that our mind. Shannon
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: likes to decorate a little, so some of the stuff
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: as hers. But like that terra cotta fruit ball up
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: there is from Italy, and the people who used to
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: make those are no longer living, so those will never
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: be made again, just like the penny. It's just like
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the penny, except that one was a pretty penny, you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: they go when we got that years ago. Actually they
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: were for sale for I think two thousand dollars and
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: that was years ago, and and I didn't pay for it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I got it free because back then we had Garden Compass, Yes,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and we had an advertiser in the magazine who was
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: selling the last of those, and they gave gave me
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: one as a gift, which.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Was you know what sticks out to me that that
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: huge book, The Quest for the Black Road.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've talked about that one.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I mean that takes two or three people to hold
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: that book up and read it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I never even opened it. Yeah, I should put that
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that terracotta fruit bowl on the table here so people
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: can see what we're talking about.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll move it. I'll move it during the break.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, I've never opened up that book. No, No, can't
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: you see it cover?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not a question, are you?
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: No?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: No, I.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: There's some things I haven't opened up there in their
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: original packing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I'll move the cameras around in a little bit to
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: show there's a few questions we should probably get.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Now, let's get to the questions. We got about four
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: minutes until the next bark.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: We're gonna pair this one up. Okay, Daisy and let's
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: see here, Veronica. Okay, Veronica, I know you've covered this before,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: but what can I do to get rid of the
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: black city mold on my meyer lemon? And then Daisy
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: is and how do we prevent the lemons from splitting?
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: After all the rain we will get more here in
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the Bay Area. So the black city mold on a
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: citrus tree orange lemon lime is usually due to the
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: you know, sucking insects that are on it, whether it
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: be scale, a fids, whitefly, So you want to start
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: there first, getting rid of the bugs. Scale is actually
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: pretty hard to identify on a lot of citrus because
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: they're on these stems and they look like the stem.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: So a lot of people don't realize their whole plants
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: is covered with scale until they really get into there
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: and look at the stems. Aphids and you know, white
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: fly and mealie bug a little easier to identify, but
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: if you solve that, you can solve the city mold problem.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: And the city mold problem can also just be wash
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: it off a lot of times, right, like a little
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: soapy water wash it off.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Well, you recommend it because I had it on my
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: palm and my fycus. To do your best to wash
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it off, sprayed off, and then apply this spinosa soues
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you know, at which I've done, and I've had great
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: success with the ficus. The palm's a little bit more stubborn.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I mean it's black. In fact, it's so bad that
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the pot itself is black some of the areas. Yeah,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: you got to you gotta stay on top of it
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: because it can get ahead of you real quick.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Basically, what Tiger's saying is that the city molt is
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: not a problem at all. It's just something that grows
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: in the secretion of insects. So you want to take
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: care of the insects. And on citrus. Uh, one of
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the easiest things for scale is a dormant oil, right,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: or a citrus oil, or an oil spray, an oil spray.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Some some must spinosis have oil, don't they They do,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: so that'll take care of it. Yeah, So this is
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: definitely the time you're to do it as far as
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the the spring splitting.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's from the you know, they absorb We've talked
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: about it before. They absorb the water so quickly that
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: you know, the the rine on the fruit breaks open.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: What about after the first few rains. I don't know this,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the thoughts just coming into my head. But what if
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: you put tarps under the tree so there wasn't any
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: more water zss water excess water.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can hot and cold split them as well,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: hot weather, cold weather, back and forth. If it's hot,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: then it's cold.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Now hot. We've talked about that too. The splitting of
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: the rhine has to do with the plant getting like
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: so much water in it that they place to go up.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: But you know it's and also the growth tiger.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's uh too much water continually or
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: do you think it's all of a sudden. For instance,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: if you weren't water watering the citrus and you're keeping
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: it dry and then all of a sudden you got
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: all this water, the tree couldn't cope with it. Yeah,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: But if it had been like if we have these
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: brains coming up now and you know it's raining for
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: a week.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Slow and steady, Yeah, do you.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Think it's all the different.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I think it is all a sudden I think you're right,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: like because you know, I mean, if you put water
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: on a plant and it grows naturally, the rind can
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: keep up with it. It's the sudden changes kind of
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: like what you know. Brian was also mentioning with a
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: sudden temperature changes sometimes you know, if it's cool and
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: also it warms up right, it grows so fast the heat,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: you know, that makes this change. I think before any
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: of this, and you know what you mentioned like reactionary,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: like you're saying, trying to get the water to not
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: go to the base of the plant, whether it's tarpe it,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: get some drainage away from it, whatever it is. But
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: being more proactive using a good amending fertilizer, organic fertilizer
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: in the soil number one is going to make the
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: soil more you know, friendly and drainage. And number two,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: the plant's going to have naturally the ability to you know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: suck up that water nutrient.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: It is break time for Bistalk Radio Quicker Break on
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• 30:48
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• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: John and Tiger.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, we are back, and for those on BIS Talk Radio,
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• 31:30
  Speaker 2: minutes after. Does not apply at all to our Facebook
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: live viewers and listeners. So we're going to keep right
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: on rolling. And as you can see, we talked about
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that last segment, John right, icotta fruit ball and then
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: there it is.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Isn't that cool?
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: And to point out something regarding this too, for those
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: of you that have never worked with clay before, terra
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: cotta is not an easy thing to sculpt. You know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of clay's out there that they can
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: sculpt and they make things out.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: It's not as forgiving, it's not.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: And so this is very impressive.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: In the detail on it just amazes me. I mean,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: you've got a pomegranate split open with the seeds coming out.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: John John had asked if I had a copy of Hortise,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: which is a great reference book, and it made me
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: think of gardening dictionaries. Oh yeah, which people today probably think.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: You know, I've got Google. Why do I need a
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: or not a dictionary? And I should say an encyclopedia.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: But believe it or not, there's information in books, it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: not on the internet that is absolutely correct. In the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: book that I just wrote, I had a scene with
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: David Fairchild meeting Queen Luli o'callani, and I had that
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: in the book and I wanted to little more information,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: so I googled it on on the internet and it
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: AI came back and said, there is no there is
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: no evidence that the two of these people ever met.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: And I answered back, oh yeah, what about David Fairchild's book?
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: And I told them where I was from, and I
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: actually gave them a linked to a quote and it said, oh,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: we apologize we were wrong. Yes the two did meet.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: So anyway back to the diligence due diligence encyclopedias. The
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: reason I'm bringing it up is because I think you can.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Go to.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: ABE Books or Amazon and you can get used copies
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: of Encyclopedia's pretty cheap now because every you know, people
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: aren't using them anymore.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Sure, and I.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Have three here, one three different encyclopedias. One is is
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: the New York Botanical Right here, it's the New York
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Botanical Garden illustrated in the Encyclopedia A Horticulture. And I
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: have to tell you that that has got more information
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: than any book I've ever come on?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Is that? Thomas Everett?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Exactly?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done my homework and you can read. But
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: it was upside down? How could that be?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: The you can say the alphabet back words I here,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: you can read them.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: So anyway, there's I think there's ten volumes of it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: And when this first came out, each volume was one
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars each volume, each volume, so you know, one
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars for the set. I think they're a lot
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: cheaper now.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, we had something called they
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: were encyclopedias. The first one is like A through C
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: and then and it was called the Book of Knowledge.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And I remember as a kid there was a one
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: of the books had like what the inside of your
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: body looks like? It was like you can see the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: heart and the lungs and color, and it was so
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: fascinated by all that. The Book of Knowledge, I have
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: no idea. Whatever happened to those?
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: So speaking of the Book of Knowledge, not to bring
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: us a little bit back on subject not too far
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: off subject, John It wrote, one of my Canary Island
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: pines had pine ghost canker. I was told there was
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: no cure and then I would need to cut off
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: the infected parts. Is that true?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you have to tell your doctor that doctor, you
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: have to cut off?
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: That used to be the thing right back when you
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: used to go to the doctor, they'd be like, oh,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: I've got this, I've got this thing. Well we got
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: to cut off your arm.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I've got pine coast canker. Doc, what do I do?
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: But to answer your question, John, it is. I mean
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: it is true to remove the infected parts in the
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: sense of it's it's kind of like a blight. You know.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: These diseases, they they work their way through trees and
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: there are affected areas, and if you cut off the
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: affected areas with a clean tool, then it'll stop from
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: going in through the rest of the tree. So you know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: that is the the thought process. Is that making sure
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: that you know your tools are clean. You don't transfer
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: the problem to other parts of the tree. When you're trimming,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: you know, and kind of going from there. Do you
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: have any notes on that? I see you, I see you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: He's ramping up.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Isn't that a cool name?
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're born to write a book with that,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Nate Liberty High. Right, It's just like if you were born,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: let's say your parents called you jeeves. Yeah, you're going
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: to be a butler later on in life.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: So anyway, the I don't know if anybody's looked up
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: to see what the the Encyclopedia of Horticulture from the
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: New York Botanical Gardens are selling for right now. But
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: but if you can get one for I think at
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: one time I saw him for like twenty five dollars,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: you know, and the originally one hundred. It's really a
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: good good deal. Lamar's got cats and dogs around her house.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It's raining so hard.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, raining cats and dogs. We we we dropped off
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: for a second, but we are connected again. So I
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: think it's I think it's catching up. It's buffering right now.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: So if you are catching my voice, you've caught up.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: But otherwise it is buffering.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Well, it is almost the end of the first hour.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes it's part for the course, right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a Facebook problem that we connect get away.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah it is. Yeah, it's yeah, everything on
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: this end is good.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so crazy damn poor here too. So I mean,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: let's let's talk a little bit about that. As far
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: as downpours in the garden, it was a book title
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: right there, you know. You mean we mentioned the citrus
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: that you know they're going to be splitting or the
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: fruit could be splitting after a big rain, you know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: if your garden floods. You know, let's say you have
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: a bed and it just settles and there's a lot
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: of water that's sitting in there. I mean, do you
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: have anything that you would say to do at the
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: time that could help, you know, in the future, Like
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: not not in the future, but like you know, let's
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: say it's a drought tolerant area and you know this
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: is going to have a negative effect on those plants.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, are you just gonna have to wait and
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: see what happens?
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Well, you do landscaping, wouldn't you put French strain scenarios
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: like that where you knew it was going to be
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: a problem.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Exactly. If you know it's going to be a problem,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: you can be preventive. You can put in French drains,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: you can slope, you can do different things here.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: You're planting towards the type of soils you have too, right,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: right if you have real wet clay.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna dumb sory, We're gonna dump out and
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: take a break. All right, News coming up biz Talk Radio.
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• 40:04
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• 40:07
  Speaker 2: just joining us looking at all the books in the background,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: we are broadcasting live from John's library here in Fallbroough, California,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: north of San Diego, California.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Do you hear I'm going to take a camera because
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: people have asked to see sure what's around? If you
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: want to describe, I'll take one of the cameras and
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: show show what's going on with.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So we're going to give you more of
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a like a three sixty view. For those on Facebook
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Live BIS Talk Radio, use your imagination. And for those
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: on Facebook Live, Tiger's gonna grab one of the cameras
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: and show us around. Yeah, you gotta do it. Huh.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Well, you know this will answer Kevin, our buddy Kevin
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and Carda Laine's question because he said he missed the
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: answer on how we arrange the books in the library.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: In their subject matter title.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I have the fiction separated from the gardening books,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: so they're all they're all in front of us, that's
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: what we're looking at. But then the rest of that's
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: a very small area. The rest of the library is
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: all gardening books and they're arranged by topic. So behind
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: you there's books on trees and conifers, and then there's
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: books on cacti and succulents. There's books on landscaping, all
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: in one area, books on vegetables in herbs, I gout
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: seed books, books on seeds, planning seeds over my desk,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: the whole area surrounding the desk, and then these two
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: shelves over here are books on roses. And my oldest
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: rose book I think is eighteen thirty eight.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I like the old Rose Adventurer.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: That's it's not as old as eighteen thirty eight.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: But you know what I liked as soon as I
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: said that you knew exactly where to look, well, you
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: knew you knew where to look? You right there? There
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: it is. Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: So I also mentioned that there were also collectibles in here.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: There's one that that I don't think you know. Now
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: we're off the subject again, that's okay, but there's one
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: that I don't think Tiger would even know, but I
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: think you would. You see that blue vase up in
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: the corner.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: That is a vase, not of oz, yes, and it's.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: From nineteen thirty and it's a male version of a.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Shmoo, a male vision of a shrew shmoo. Oh a shmoo.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, remember little Abner, Yes, I do. Okay, there were
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: male and female schmoos. They bred quickly, but I don't
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: have the female version, which was a pink bottle. Okay,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: but it was a limited edition. And you know who
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: would even know what a schmove?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: A little more towards you? Yeah, there you go. Perfect.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: You know what. It's a little too late because Tiger's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: h has set the camera down, but I'm impressed and
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: uh enamored with that radio that you've got there, the
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: old phonographed type looking radio with a record player and
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: the oldest speaker horn.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: You know, and the record player works on that?
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Does it? Really? Yeah? Well that is that's fantastic.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my son gaming that.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Why don't you like it?
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Why don't I like it?
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Because you didn't you say you wanted to give
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: that to me you'd had enough.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Oh I was going to surprise you. But now that
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: you've seen it, there's no point.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: That is right, that's very cool. And you do you
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: have a Bible in here? How many versions? King James version?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: New American Edition Contemporary English?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: You know that's has two uh in two translation it's
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: in it has side by side the New International version
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: with the message.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, good? Yeah.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Have you ever read the message? It's kind of a.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Is that like you read something and then it tells
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: you what you just read.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: No, the message is like like us talking doing a
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: radio show, how we would be talking about you know
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: what it's It is a translation, okay, but it's like
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: modern day English. It's likely you know, here's the words,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: but it puts it this is what it meant. It
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: was like them. You know, back then it would be
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: like saying, that's cool today, Jesus on.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: The apostles, they hustled down to the beach to look
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: at the seashore.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Not exactly that.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: But Daisy has a question. Yeah, regarding fruit tree spraying,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: how should you time the spraying between the rains? I
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: know we should spray multiple times.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Where is Daisy?
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Where is Daisy? Like, well, where does she live? Or
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: where is the question?
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Well where does she live? Because Rick in Idaho asked
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: the same question, you know, on when they should spray.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: And there's different sprays for different things in different times.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: You know, California versus a climate that's going to get
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: cold is a big difference. And when I lived in Michigan,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: we sprayed the trees with a dormant oil to kill
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: overwintering insects and then also a lime sulfur spray to
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: kill overwintering diseases. Now in California, lime sulfur's have been
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: removed from the market, right, correct, So you can't.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: And for a long time it was copper.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's But the problem with copper is that we
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: in California, we use lime sulfur to prevent peach leaf curl.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: And uh, again the timing. If you want to pre
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: vent peachlea kurl, the tree has to be sprayed before
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: the flower buds open. Once the flower buds open, the
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: tree is already going to be infected. But so you
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: need to spray be right before that. And they usually
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: used to say one or two springs. But they also
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: said copper oil at the time, which the last university
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: studies I read said that wasn't effective at all, Right,
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: so I think the main reason they sold the copp
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: roil was because they took the lime sulfur off the market.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: So, but in terms of timing, like youse a, it
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: has to do with where you are. It's not just
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: about the rain. Meaning it's not just about, oh, it rained,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: I should spray my plants for bugs right because it's
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: going to rain again. Use it's also the time of
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: year where you live, because you could be spring. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: was having this discussion with someone yesterday. There's caterpillars eating
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: their liquid ammers, decimating these liquid amber trees, and you
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: know that's bad and we don't want that to happen.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: But I'm also looking at it like these liquid ambers
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: are going to drop their leaves anyway in the next month.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: So whatever I spray right now, yeah, you know what,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: I might kill some caterpillars and that's fine, but the
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: eggs are going to be there in next spring. So
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I said, a better plan is to know, hey, when
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: these liquid ambers leaf back out again, now let's begin
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: to treat the trees. Because it's pointless to spray right now.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Whether it's rain or not or whatever, it's pointless to
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: spray right now. And so you know, Daisy, you know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: as far as you know. Number one, any spray that
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: you use, you don't ever want it to rain or
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: get washed off usually about twenty four hours, so meaning
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: you know, in between rains.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Yesterday would be a good idea.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it would all gotten washed off.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: There you go, exactly.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: You know, that's a general rule for any pesticide herbicide
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: fund side is it's got to stay on the plant
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: or what you're treating for twenty four hours before you
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: get any kind of washing off of rain. Number two
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: is think about what you're doing as far as timing
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: and the time of year and what you're doing, because
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: there are specific sprays used for specific times a year
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: that help solve your problem. I mean, that's the funny
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: thing about these dormed oil sprays. Is John mentioned people.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: I go, oh, yeah, you wait for all the leaves
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: to fall off and then you spray it. And they're like, what,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: I just spray all the sticks And I go, yeah,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: you just spray all the sticks.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: That's what you do.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: And they're like, how does that work? Well, you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: you're you're being proactive, You're kids eggs. You're doing all
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: that because when the leaves come out, and when John
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: says when the flowers come out, it's too late. It's
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: too late. You've already you've already got the problem. You
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: can't solve the problem, and it's too late. So you
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: got to do it before. So I hope that answered
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: your question Daisy. Regarding that, what's the name of the
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: company we advertise ties that has all the good gardening products.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Leonor for bringing it up. Yeah, you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: and uh, Carla right away, fertilo fil absolutely in the
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: beauty behind the fertilome products is that a lot of
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: them are geared towards independent garden centers and they gear
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: them for a specific thing. Right, So you're using a
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: product that is h is specific to that. A big
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: problem with a lot of the overall garden sprays is
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: that they just kill everything, and you know they just
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: you know, you gotta be careful with that.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: So Okay in his break time once again, as we
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: continue here on Guarden America, it's great to have you long,
• 49:35
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• 49:37
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• 50:50
  Speaker 2: The good news is we are back. The good news
• 50:53
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• 50:56
  Speaker 2: to have you long here from John's Library, Faulberg, California,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: where of San Diego but still in for the most
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: part San Diego County. A lot of rain looks like
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: a whole week of rain here, so that's always exciting
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and big news for us here in southern California.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: John in Newport Beach is asking a question about daffodils.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: He's getting ready to plant them, and he said that
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: his don't naturalize. Oh, it depends on the type that
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: you put in. For instance, paper whites I think are
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: going to naturalize anywhere, right.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I mean mine are coming up now.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's the funny thing. You always think of
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: paper whites blooming in the spring or for Christmas, you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: they get forced. But if you plant them, they bloom
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: in the fall, you know, this time of year. It's
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: great in California. Once they naturalize. And usually the smaller,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: smaller flowering daffodils are going to naturalize more than the
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: big trumpet once.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, those ones here, yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, even though they will come back sometimes the closer
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: to the coast you get, you know, like John's and
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Newport Beach, he's gonna have really mild temperatures, it's going
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: to be a little more difficult.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And and they get kind of like that floppy
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: leaf growth happened to there that doesn't always turn into
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: like what you're saying, like a flower, like an actual
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: and actual what you want.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: And John also asked Tiger the difference between daffodil paper
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: white and John John quill and I guess they're different
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: sizes of the same genus, right, Yeah, they're all the
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: same yeah, so john Quill's are are basically smaller daffodils,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: and then smaller, smaller sized flowers.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: And then is paper white the smallest.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, paper whites are are big clusters, and there's they're
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: mostly the white, but there are some yellow paper whites.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: So it's like paper whites are like the smallest of
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: the flowers with clusters. Jonquill is a smaller a little
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: larger but smaller than a daffodil, and usually more singular flowers,
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: and then daffodils are larger flowers tend to be just
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: one to two flowers coming off of it. And and
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: do you think that it's kind of true where you'll
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: get paper whites earlier and then daffodils being the latest
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: if you were to, Yeah.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: There are some early flowering daffodils, but usually the larger
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: the flower, it's a later bloom. Not always, but that's
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: a rule of thumb you could go by.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Okay. I always thought paper white daffodil junk will was
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: kind of almost like a regional term, like some people
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: just knew them of that kind of like Frangia, pany plumeria,
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: you know, like if you're from some parts of the world.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: You know, as a plumeria is a frangia panny, still
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: the same plant, still plume aria, but you just know
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: it is a different name.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Usually the they rather than saying John Quill, most people
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: say narcissus. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, and then paper
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: white is a type of narcissus. But then it's basically
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: daffodils versus narcissus.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: John Quill's are are usually shorter plants too, so it's
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: kind of like a subdivision of a narcissus, but not
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: as tall growing.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: You know. One of my favorite bulbs, Brian.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I know, for me, it's a tulip. How about you,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Scilla peruviana.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: You know those are the purple it's kind of like
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: a hyacinth looking Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I really
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: like those ones.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know why the.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Bulbs, you know, got a good blue color, which.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they and they do well here in California.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think it's unique and different and like
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: you say, they do well here and not all, not
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: all bulbs do well here in California because they tend
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: to be things that like a little bit more season.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: What about the bulb that they're selling for like fifty
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: dollars apiece or up to.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: For one for what.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: It's a type of squill, isn't it?
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: You know, the big I'm trying to think of what
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: it is now, but it's a huge bulb, like bigger
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: than an amoris, like three times the size of an amorill.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I'm not familiar with this. And to
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: look into it.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: And the bloom is comes out on a spike.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Is it called.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: They It comes out with us three foot to four
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: a bloom spike. I'm sure you've sold them at your nursery.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Tiger really well.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: He's looking at he's looking at right now, looking it up.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Giant squill and it.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Has the big like squiggly foliage.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: But giant squid came up.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's somebody a lot of corrected your spelling on that.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: In the flowers kind of white.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, white on a on a stalk.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what is that? Uh?
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: What's the what's the botanical name?
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Drea? No giant c squill? No, well wait it could
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: be Drema maritima.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that could be a oh I think there d
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: r I M I a I think it used to
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: be called ur genia. You are I G I N
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: E A H and I could be the new name.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that looks like a fun plant though. Yeah, it's
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: got a really neat foliage.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Are huge.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever sold those. Maybe I have,
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: but I don't know. It's funny. There's a there's a
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: picture of a lady holding one and like the bulb
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: is the size of her head.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's funny. All right, back to questions. I know
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: there was another one. Sorry I got distracted.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: No, that's fine. Here we go.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: M H.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Lilah was pruning roses before it rain and I cut
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: from perfume Tropical from the auction, Oh, subliminal, fruity scent, subliminal,
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: So it's like it gets in her mind, the fruity
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: scent of it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: This is how my mind smells it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Perfume Trapical is I think one of Michelle A Dom's
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: roses from France. He and I'm trying to think of
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: the other French breeder right now. That two relatively new
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: French breeders, and they've got phenomenal roses and that was
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: one we did have at the auction, So I'm glad
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: while I was able to get.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: The Linda, John, I sent you an email asking about
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: issues I'm having with my lilacs. Basically, one is blooming
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: now and they are looking stick sickly. They are planted
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: where old lilacs were planted that I thought died of
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: old age, some sort of lilac disease. Question mark.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: All right, hold on to that thought because we have
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: to take a break, give us pause for thought, a break.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Russell's on BIS Talk Radio. Thank you to Fertil Lumer,
• 59:03
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• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Garden America. John Vecnascar, Tucket Powler, Fox, Brian Maine. Back
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: after these messages, if you're tuned in to BIS Talk Radio,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: this is Gardener America. Okay, two more segments. This one
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: that we're just kicking off is our longer segments. Plenty
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: of time for questions, comments and more information. And that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: gave you time to think about that, John, just before
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the break.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: It did, But what was I thinking of? Just remind
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: me the lilac from Linda. Oh no, no, I'm sure
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: they do. And she lives up in reading. You know,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: the the one problem lilacs have in parts of California
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: is it just gets so darn hot in the summer
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: it burns the leaves, and especially in Redding. But she says,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Linda is saying the leaves look bad. Now, well they should.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: They're going to fall off. They go dormant in the winter,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: so all the leaves should be falling off and then
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: they should be blooming again in the spring. I'm not
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: aware of any root diseases on lilacs, as long as
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: the soil drains. Well, yeah, kind of.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: What you hit on, it's not just because you know,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: a lot of times these plants.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: Will have a good amount of boards. And the other
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: thing that I've experienced is when the sun hits directly.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: At the point.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: I've always you know, we we.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: Used to have the discancel lilacs that we would sell.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Out our nursia right and even up there, I tell people.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: Planting in the shade because they always seemed to do better.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: Plant them in the full sun for some of that protection.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: If they could be protected from hot afternoon sun, that
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: would be best. You have one on the east side
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: of the house.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: East, yes, yes, to my to our left.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the east side of the house, and it's called
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Angel White, which is one of the Disconso hybrids, which
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: is you know, Brian were bred by doctor Walter Lamberts
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: up at Disconso Gardens.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Friends called them.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was the one who also bread that
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: the Queen Elizabeth Rose.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: No stop in Waly going to keep on going. Oh.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: I also wanted to mention because the thought just came
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: to me that there used to be another gardening show,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: not ours, that used to tell people two put acid
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: fertilizer around their lilacs. And lilacs are one of the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: very few plants, not very few, but certainly less so
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: than other groups of plants that are acid lovers. Lilacs
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: prefer an alkaline soil, So don't use acid fertilizers around
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: your lilac. That's definitely going to be detrimental. Most most
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: soils in California are our alkaline to begin with.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: So I think that was Bill and Jim's Garden and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Wine Show that was professing that they're no longer on
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: the air.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: They did have an excellent adventure though, Oh no, that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: was ted ted.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Garden and Wine Show.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: Thanks to the listeners letting letting us know that my
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: mic was off. Brian tends to mute me every one
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: I was off. You blew it man.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: All right? Actually, John and I discussed that.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: She said the lilacs had a lot of milk. Do Yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: that'll happen. That their leaves are just gonna fall. Don't
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: worry about it.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: It'll be fine, Yeah, Tanya Plumria question. My cutting I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: got in April has done, grated, rooted, had flowers. It's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: in my greenhouse, so I can keep it dry. However,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: I noticed the trunk branches are looking wrinkled. Is that normal?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not watering now, even though it still has leaves,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: So wrinkling on the trunk or stems of plumerius is
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: kind of normal. But it's it also could lead you into,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: you know, like why she's asking the question. It could
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: cause you know, a problem on a cutting. You know
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: you it It probably does mean that it was you know,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: not it was rotting. You know you you you were.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Over watering, growing and blooming all summer. What her plant's
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: been growing and blooming all summer?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: But like as you said, you've had plume areas that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: have grown and bloomed and then they just fall over
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: and die.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's got it in her greenhouse now if
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: it's I don't think the shriveling z ever a good sizence.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: No, you don't want shrivel. You want to avoid that,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: you know. Speaking of that, myke plumeria looks like it's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: it's wonderful. It looks like it's a Kanya is concern.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: You're rubbing it in her face, right.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: But mine shouldn't look as good as it does right.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Now, should Tanya? Don't worry.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. No, that's what I'm saying. I stopped,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: I stopped watering. I've done all the right and yet
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: it looks like it's in the prime of life prime
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: if it's bloom cycle.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering if how long it's been dry that you've
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: been letting it go dry, Tanya. I'm thinking that if
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: it was me and it was raining, I would actually
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: stick it out in the rain and let it and
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: let it get moist again, then put it back and.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: That's good water too, and then don't water it at
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: all for the next few months, that kind of a thing.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: And see if that swells the stems back.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because you know, like you're saying, obviously, it
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: shows it signs that there was a problem. Doesn't mean
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: there always is a problem, but I mean there was
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: a problem, and a good way to fix that problem
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: right now is too if it's dry, give it a
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: good drink of water. See if it reacts to that,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: let it dry out again. If it reacts to that,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, you know.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: You's is just too dry. Yeah, but you know, usually
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: for the stem to dehydrate like that usually means that
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: it wasn't able to take up water. Right, so the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: roots could be dead.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: The roots could be dead, and it could have dried out.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: You know, a couple of different to say. Yeah, but
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: it's a waiting time right now, because not a lot
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: you can do. When should you plant garlic from Rick
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: in Idaho?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Do they do fall planning on gar garlic and Idaho?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: Or did they do spring?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I know, I know in you know
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: Gilroy in California.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Gilroy doesn't freeze though, Yeah, exactly so.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, if you but Ricks doesn't. He always talk
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: about how he's in an area that is kind of
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: more mild.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Well, he lives by Gina. Yeah, so my daughter. So
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: he's in an area that is the banana built of vitah.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it does you.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Know, it freezes and it snows.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think that's something you could
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: google for your area. When the plant guarded garlic and boise.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm just because obviously it matters where you are. Yeah,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: and it can't freeze.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, here in California you can plant now right
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: all the way through spring.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: What you got in my audio?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Tiger's disappearing?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: You're you're on?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you can't hear yourself unless you're talking Tiger.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: No, but his mic, I've had his mic on the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: whole time.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: I don't see his lips moving.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Are we listening to the rain?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: Listen? You know we should have had We don't have
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: music anymore.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: The problem is is that there's a delay, So I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: don't know if I'm talking.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right. Yeah, yeah, we used to, didn't.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: We Well, I was thinking, you know, I don't know
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: if we ever called it that. We always talk about
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: intros intros, and then there was also one, but I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: started calling them outros in my book fortros.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Fine, do they use it outro, sure, or what's the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: other term they use going into a break? I'll think
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: of it Outro's fine, what's your intro? What's your outro?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Huh have you ever heard that?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: Tell me I was fiddling with other things.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Sorry, stop fiddling. Yeah, we're talking about an intro to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: a song or an intro to a segment, and then
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: when you're you're leaving the segment going into a break,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: you have you have outro music.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: Oh really, Yeah, we used.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: To do all that because back then Facebook you couldn't
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: do that. Now it's different. You can play music really well. Yeah,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: if you go on Facebook to make videos and stuff,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: they've got all these are artists that obviously they've worked
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: out some kind of royalty thing with them. So yeah,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: if we were back in studio doing that, we could
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: play around with.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: Thee hear it.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: It is and for us to hear it.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: In this I'm looking through the window and I can
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: see your truck, your truck out there, and it's bouncing
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: off the top.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually it's bouncing, so it looks like it's almost
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: like coming down from the roof instead of but you're
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: not even parked under the eaves or anything.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's good.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: It is good. Okay, So we've got about a minute
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: here before the next break.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: You said we were about to take a break.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Got about a minute, all right, well, or Ory is
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: about to It just depends on how close we are, gotcha.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: Things frequently break on the show when we come back
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: from the break, though. I have something I want to
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: talk to Tiger about.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Wrinkled trunks.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, it's.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: Just about the time of the year and a type
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: of crop or type of shrub.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: And I would if we were playing music, I would
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: play time of the season, but the zombies. But we
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: don't play music.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: So season it's the time of the season.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that sounds all right. It is break time
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: for a Friend's on Fizz Talk Radio, Facebook Live, Brian Maine,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: John Mcnascar, attack a Pellow Fox. One more segment coming
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: back after this. Yes, I did push your button right there.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: It's on your mic is on testing one two three, Hey,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: you made it. If you've hung in there this long,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: we are right there at the last segment, the last
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: segment of the show.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Well done.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Well, we're not over. It's not over yet. Yeah, this
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: is the epilogue.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: This is this is well done.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: If this was the end of John's book, this would
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: be the epilogue.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: All right, John, what's your question about?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: Oh I want I wanted to ask, is I think
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: we're coming into uh the beginning of camellia season. Oh yeah,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: because it isn't. I don't know if they're blooming yet,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: but don't sussancu. Camellias, which are referred to as sun camellias,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: sometimes start to bloom right about now.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, or we little early No, no, no, you're
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: you're right on schedule. This is the time that you
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: know you want to start looking for your camellias, and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: you know the varieties are going to start to bloom,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: start you start to see the really neat ones come
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: into nurseries and garden centers, and you know, I mean
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: it's I really like commie, I don't. I think a
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: lot of people don't like them because they don't bloom often,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: or they bloom in the winter and not in the spring,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: but nothing else. And that's why I think there's such
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: an important plant to add to your landscape, because they
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: do add that sense of spring, you know, and the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: foliage is nice, not a lot of pest problems. I mean,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: what's the biggest thing. You may maybe that plagues a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: chameilia scale occasionally, you know, but they don't get aphids
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: like normal flowering plants, and they don't get a lot
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: of the other issues. So the only downside I will
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: say to h nowadays chameilias is a lot of the growers,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: you know, are not not around. So a lot of
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: the cool varieties are guilt deflying, you know Nuccio's. I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: don't know if they're done or on their way out.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: Still they've been on their way out. They're like a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: They're like a mattress sales company.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: You've got that.
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  Speaker 3: Liquidation I think when you and flowering.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see, Leonore, I lost my camellia.
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  Speaker 3: Check out back Lenar under that one tree?
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  Speaker 2: Like yeah right, uh.
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  Speaker 4: Carla, I have lots of rose hips not ready to pick.
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  Speaker 4: Would you like someone ready?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Tools are eating Squirrels are eating your camellias. Oh that's
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: a bummer. Do they go after the road the buds?
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  Speaker 3: I've never had that problem.
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  Speaker 2: Really, you don't have squirrels up here?
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  Speaker 6: Do you?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: You have ground squirrels?
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  Speaker 3: Not as many as I used to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I meant you've you've curtailed the the onslought.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I didn't tell you guys. Last week one night
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  Speaker 3: or one day, I should say, I caught three gophers
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  Speaker 3: one night. You said, well, it was during the day night,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: put them out for the coyotes, stea at night. But
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: there was You set out six traps and got three gophers,
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  Speaker 3: and two were in one area, which really surprised me
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  Speaker 3: because you know, Brian always says they're territorial, yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: usually you only have one, but these were two, Like
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  Speaker 3: the traps were set within three feet of each other.
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  Speaker 2: It will never you can't control. You can only contain.
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  Speaker 3: You're talking to the gophers.
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  Speaker 2: You I mean, it doesn't matter how many gophers you
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  Speaker 2: trap and killed. They're you know, it's like the ocean.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: There's always a wave behind each wave.
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  Speaker 3: I'm eighty five.
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  Speaker 2: Sanna Trench.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Oh good Marianna.
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  Speaker 2: Or Marianna's the Marianna Trench. Marianna, okay, Marianna Trench of
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: the Bath of scaff Treestue nineteen sixty one. The first
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: two that went down to the bottom of the trench.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I forget that. Yeah, clips I thought, hey, speaking, that's
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Jacques Coustel or Jacques Coustall by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Where we saw Jacques Cousta's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in it was in France.
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  Speaker 3: It was in No, No, Monaco, No, yeah, then in Switzerland.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: No, I think it was Monaco just outside. Yeah, speaking
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: what speaking of the Marianna Trench, I watched a guy
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: yesterday on YouTube ski down Mount Everest from the summit.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: No oxygen impressive.
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  Speaker 3: How long can you hold your breath?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you can get real, Yes, it was real. You
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: can only be in that. It's thirty three percent oxygen,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: so you have like you could stand it for like
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: they said, eight or nine hours. But so he he
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  Speaker 2: skied and now I'm not talking about you know, real fast.
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  Speaker 3: You'd build up a lot of speed by the time
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  Speaker 3: you hit the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he was like very he had to be
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  Speaker 2: very careful. He would stop and he would he would
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: crab crawl a little bit and go down because there's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of rocks and stuff. But it was impressive.
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  Speaker 3: I find that hard to believe, do you, Tiger?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: No, well, no, go home, not ever. Ski.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure I could do that right now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: You have to go home.
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  Speaker 2: And to prove that it was true, to prove that
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: it was true sponsored by Red Bull.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean they do a lot of crazy.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: They do all that kind of stuff. Okay, just a
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: couple of two or three minutes here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, we're kind of cutting in and out during
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: this last segment.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of sun spots even though we
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: can't see the sun. It's the heavy rain, rain, heavy rain. Okay,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: John John's TV antenna.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: He picks the rabbit. Here is John.
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  Speaker 2: We got about a minute and a half, guys, John,
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  Speaker 2: what do you got well.
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  Speaker 4: John, John's not gonna be here next week, two weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Just Brian and I.
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  Speaker 2: We'll figure something out. Something will happened, something happened. You know.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Instead of we used to close the show by saying
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: and and we'll see you next week on Guard to America,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I've changed it to we'll see you next time.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna be back here at John's house.
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  Speaker 2: Yea and Joe without John.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you guys are welcome to I'll leave the
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: back door. You can come on in.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I think I get a minute, yeah to