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Fictional Women Around the World: Kate Bishop · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: content warning on this one very brief mentioned of sexual assaults.
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  Speaker 1: We're not really not going to go to it into
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  Speaker 1: it at all, but just to put that out there, um,
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  Speaker 1: so that you are aware. So as this comes out,
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  Speaker 1: it has just been Disney plus day. All this stuff
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  Speaker 1: happened on Disney for us. All these announcens are raid
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  Speaker 1: trailers are coming out. But also the new series Hawkeye
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  Speaker 1: is set to debut tomorrow November one, which again I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea when you're listening to this, but as
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  Speaker 1: of now, that's how it's supposed to be there. And
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  Speaker 1: it stars Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye and Hayley Steinfeld as
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  Speaker 1: his protege, Kate Bishop, who I told we forgot voice
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  Speaker 1: Spider Gwynn and into the Spider verse. So it's more
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  Speaker 1: multiverse confusion that Spider Man is adding into all of
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  Speaker 1: this because Catherine Hahn was in one division, right, but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like with the animated is a little difference,
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  Speaker 1: so they can rip like they can have other actors
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  Speaker 1: portray these and it wouldn't be such a big shock
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  Speaker 1: it's true. But now the Multiverse Spider Man No Way
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  Speaker 1: Home trailer is supposed to come out today, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why people are tweeting about it so much
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  Speaker 1: when it's not out yet. But I know that there's
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  Speaker 1: multiverse stuff in there as well, but it doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: have Hollie Steinfeld maybe no, but it's got like Alfred
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  Speaker 1: Molina's dot cock. I think William Dafoe is in there.
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe the other Spider Man's are in there.
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  Speaker 1: They were not necessarily going to see the animated version
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  Speaker 1: in there, are we do? We see Miles. It's trending
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter, but I never click on strending on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: so I never know why. That's my kind of rule.
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  Speaker 1: It just gives me kind of like, this is what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: I hope it's not terrible. Yes. The show also features
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  Speaker 1: the Native American deaf actress a Laqua Cox as Mya Lopez,
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  Speaker 1: a k a. The Deaf hero Echo, who is getting
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  Speaker 1: her own spin off series, UM and I'm excited to
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  Speaker 1: return in a future episode to talk about her after
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  Speaker 1: that show comes out. I'm not sure when it's coming out.
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  Speaker 1: It is interesting to talk about something before it's come
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  Speaker 1: out because who knows. Hopefully this is good, but it
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  Speaker 1: could be. But in preparation for this show, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: focus on Kate Bishop, primarily her appearances in the comics
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  Speaker 1: and the recent Avengers video game. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: go in not knowing anything because I know some I
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  Speaker 1: have some friends like that, skip this one and come
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  Speaker 1: back later. You can't skip it, though, Samantha, you have
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  Speaker 1: to have to listen. I guess you just put in
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  Speaker 1: like air canceling. Just look, this is just a solo
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  Speaker 1: Anie episode. So some history, and it's very condensed because yes,
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  Speaker 1: a lot happens in these comics, y'all a lot. Um So.
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Kate Bishop was first introduced in two thousand five
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  Speaker 1: and Young Avengers number one, created by Alan Heinberg and
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  Speaker 1: Jim Chung, and she was pretty well received, especially unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: for women, a female character in these comics. Um and
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  Speaker 1: now she's a fan favorite. She got a solo comic
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  Speaker 1: in she has appeared in several comics, in video games,
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  Speaker 1: and now the news show I'm assuming beyond um She's
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  Speaker 1: really fun to play. In the Avengers video game. You
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  Speaker 1: can do some cool teleporting things with her arrows. That um,
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  Speaker 1: keep keep going? It was I waited. Yes, I know
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  Speaker 1: it's complicated, but essentially no. There's also a new five
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  Speaker 1: part comic series coming out called Hawkeye Kate Bishop written
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  Speaker 1: by Marikae Nishkamp, illustrated by Enid Balaam, with cover illustrated
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  Speaker 1: by Janoy Lindsay. And I hope that I am pronouncing
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  Speaker 1: those correctly. Case the youngest daughter of a rich family
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  Speaker 1: living in Manhattan. They're all rich? Why are they all rich?
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  Speaker 1: There seems to be really extremes here. She's gonna afford
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  Speaker 1: all her gadgets, I guess so. And her mother died
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  Speaker 1: at a young age. Of course, someone has to die.
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  Speaker 1: So Kate grew up often feeling pretty lonely. In part
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  Speaker 1: because of this, she developed really independent, stubborn personality, and
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  Speaker 1: it's absolutely determined to help people. That's good. That's different.
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  Speaker 1: She spends a lot of her free time at soup
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  Speaker 1: kitchens and women's shelters. Good on her, yes the fictional character, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: good on you, fictional Cave Bishop. That's a child. She
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  Speaker 1: witnesses some suspicious interactions of her father with some other people,
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  Speaker 1: and she follows him one night where he meets up
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  Speaker 1: with criminal l Matador. Kate gets captured with the intent
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  Speaker 1: of being ransomed. Unbeknownst to your father, he misses this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing, but she manages to escape, helped along by
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  Speaker 1: the timely arrival of the Avengers. She is especially impressed
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  Speaker 1: with the archer Hawkeye, who has no superpowers, and he
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  Speaker 1: becomes her role model. After experiencing a sexual assault, Kate
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  Speaker 1: grows more isolated and traumatized and decides to learn several
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  Speaker 1: forms of self defense and combat. She becomes proficient and
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  Speaker 1: martial arts, swords and archery. She goes to therapy as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: While at her sister's huge two hundred person wedding, she
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  Speaker 1: encounters the Young Avengers, who attempt to save her and
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  Speaker 1: the other guests. However, they accidentally set a fire and
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  Speaker 1: get ticket hostage themselves. Kate manages to free the young
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  Speaker 1: Avengers with throwing Star and they flee the scene before
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  Speaker 1: the police arrive. Well, while wasn't any super guardian avengered
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  Speaker 1: are where's the Gardeners here? Later, Man's daughter, Yeah, Cassie
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  Speaker 1: Lane catches up with Kate. I'm guess she's a young
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  Speaker 1: Avenger as well, Yes, and together they check down the
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  Speaker 1: young Avengers, where they are hiding out at the destroyed
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  Speaker 1: Avengers mansion. Didn't the Avengers Center get built back up?
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. I thought, like, after the clap, where
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  Speaker 1: were they the whole time? Then, well, not the clap,
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  Speaker 1: don't you can't snap it's true or getting off off
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  Speaker 1: topic here, I think that in this how to condense this,
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  Speaker 1: it's different than in the movies. We'll just say okay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll just say okay, so maybe it'll be different. Then
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  Speaker 1: all right. I was just very confused. So k and
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  Speaker 1: Cassie basically say we're on a team. Now, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: on the team. Hello. Soon after that, King the Conqueror
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  Speaker 1: attacks the Mansions. Kate grabbed some items around the mansions
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  Speaker 1: to assemble her superhero outfit, including one of Hawkeye's bow. Together,
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  Speaker 1: the Young Avengers saved the world, and Kate and Cassie
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  Speaker 1: are made prominent members. Nice yes um and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the twins Wanda gay Bird to in one division. They
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  Speaker 1: are members of the Young Avengers and the comics who
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  Speaker 1: knows what they'll do here. It does feel like they're
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  Speaker 1: introducing all the Young Avengers because also, Kid Loki, where's
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  Speaker 1: a Young Avenger? Isaiah Bradley's grandson is Patriot, a young
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  Speaker 1: Avenger who was introduced in Falcon and the Winter Soldiers.
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  Speaker 1: So they're setting off a lot of stuff though so
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  Speaker 1: who knows all right? Though, Captain America slash Steve Rogers
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  Speaker 1: and Iron Man slash Tony Stark don't like what the
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  Speaker 1: young Avengers are up to and order them to break
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  Speaker 1: up and call it off UM. So Kate uses some
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  Speaker 1: of her family's money UH to hit them a new
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  Speaker 1: headquarters along with weapons, uniforms UM, and the whole will
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  Speaker 1: endeavor is led by her and Patriot. However, Kate discovers
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  Speaker 1: that in order to get super soldier abilities, Patriot have
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  Speaker 1: been taking the mutant growth hormone, and this is something
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  Speaker 1: that really tests their friendship. Patriot gets hurt and Kate
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  Speaker 1: calls out Captain America, blaming him for not giving them
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  Speaker 1: the proper training. UM Impressed, the Captain America sins Jessica
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  Speaker 1: Jones to deliver Hawk Eyes original Voe and Arrows, along
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  Speaker 1: with a note asking her to take on the Hawkeye
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  Speaker 1: code name. Apparently, Clint slash Hawkeye has been one of
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  Speaker 1: the few to call him out like Kate had, and
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  Speaker 1: Kate excepts after the events of Civil War in the comics,
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  Speaker 1: which are very different than what happens in the movies.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, so most of this was to be
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  Speaker 1: different in the show, I would guess. I'm sure they'll
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  Speaker 1: have pieces of it, like from just from the trailer alone,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I see this storyline. I see this storyline.
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  Speaker 1: But in the comics, Civil War was very, very different. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Captain America dies. Clint dies and then
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  Speaker 1: is resurrected by Wanda. Um that's the whole thing. But anyway, okay, um.
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  Speaker 1: She Kate accidentally gives Clint a dressing down because he's
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  Speaker 1: wearing Captain America's uniform and carrying his shield, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: at Tony Stark's request, who may or may not have
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  Speaker 1: had him assassinated. And oh also, Steve Rogers wanted Bucky Barnes,
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  Speaker 1: the Winter Soldier to be Captain America. And oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Clint had just been resurrected from the dead by Scarlett,
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  Speaker 1: which he rewrote the reality. Like I said, a lot
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  Speaker 1: happens in these comics. And Kate says she took on
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  Speaker 1: the Hawkeye mantel to honor Hawkeye, not disrespect his memory,
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  Speaker 1: which is what she feels Clint Captain America is doing.
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  Speaker 1: Clint decides to go his own way after that um,
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  Speaker 1: but the pair encounter again soon after, Clint as his
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  Speaker 1: alter ego Ronan, and they fight because Clint is testing
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  Speaker 1: if she's worthy for the Hawkeye mantel, and eventually he
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  Speaker 1: officially passes it on to her Guardians of the Galaxy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh No, Ronan the kind of dark Hawkeye that was
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  Speaker 1: in Avengers Infinity War, remember in black Water. Had to
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  Speaker 1: go find him and he was like killing people. Oh
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  Speaker 1: when he got his mind altered. No no, no, no no, no,
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  Speaker 1: when he got oh no no, when he was like
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  Speaker 1: because he's lost his family. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. Why
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  Speaker 1: would they use the same name. Oh well, I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's not even the most confusing same name situation that's
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  Speaker 1: going on in here. I'll tell you all right, So
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  Speaker 1: let's move on. So they all go on to team
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  Speaker 1: up to fight street level crime in New York. They
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  Speaker 1: take on a notorious group of circus performers, rescue a
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  Speaker 1: kiddapped girl, and Kate extracts a captured Clint in Madropor.
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  Speaker 1: Clint reveals that he'd given her his bow because the
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  Speaker 1: mafia was threatening him. She returns the bow and tells
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  Speaker 1: him he should stop running from his problems. Very good advice.
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  Speaker 1: Kate and Clint spend some time chasing some threast through
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  Speaker 1: the multiverse. Okay. At one point, Superstorm Sandy is a
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  Speaker 1: plot point where Kate is helping people who are strained. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Kate goes through several heartbreaks. She's a young team. She
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  Speaker 1: tries to tell Clint the significance of their partnership in
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  Speaker 1: her life, but he's asleep. They do this a lot too.
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  Speaker 1: She grows frustrated with the choices he's making and goes
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  Speaker 1: to l A, only to realize her father has cut
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  Speaker 1: her off runt row to make money, She offers her
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  Speaker 1: services as quote half a superhero have a private eye
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  Speaker 1: and starts working some cases. So is she going to
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  Speaker 1: join up with Jessica Jones? Through this, she learns more
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  Speaker 1: about her father's misdeeds and a threat to Clint's life,
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  Speaker 1: so she returns to New York. Yes, um so Clinton
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  Speaker 1: her kind of makeup, and they started going on missions
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  Speaker 1: together again. But after a disagreement around children who had
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  Speaker 1: been experimented on, Kate wanted to save them Clint argued
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  Speaker 1: that they were weapons. Um, their relationship was once again strained,
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  Speaker 1: and Team Hawkeyes they sometimes were called because they were
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  Speaker 1: two hawk Eyes existing once took a break and Kate
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  Speaker 1: went on to operate on her own for a while,
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  Speaker 1: avoiding attachments and sort of isolating herself. Clint tries to
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  Speaker 1: make things up to her by rescuing the kids and
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  Speaker 1: tells Kate that she is his best friend. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: she tells him he is still her hero. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: then there's more multiverse time travel stuff legal drama. After
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  Speaker 1: Clint is put on trial and acquitted for the Hulks murder,
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  Speaker 1: causing the media to focus on the quote other Hawkeye
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  Speaker 1: Kate wondering if she's destined for violence, She struggles with
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  Speaker 1: guilt for what happened in anger at Clint for keeping
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  Speaker 1: secrets from her. She comes back to LA and starts
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  Speaker 1: off a detective agency Hawkeye Investigations. Oh. Um, so that's
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  Speaker 1: a very condensed as you can probably tell history of
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  Speaker 1: this character so far. One of the big things about
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  Speaker 1: her she doesn't have superpowers. And here's a quote. I
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  Speaker 1: have no powers and not nearly enough training, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing this anyway, being as superhero is amazing. Everyone should
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  Speaker 1: try it. She smart, she's strong, she's fast, She's proficient
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of combat styles. UM one of the best,
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  Speaker 1: the world's best known archers. She has a strong sense
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  Speaker 1: of right and wrong, and she usually comes down on
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  Speaker 1: the side of protecting people's rights in this superhero world.
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  Speaker 1: And she can play the cello. It's also a running
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  Speaker 1: jokes that she doesn't really have a code name or
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of confusing once Clinton Barton returns and they're
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  Speaker 1: both using the same code name. She's been called task
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  Speaker 1: Mistress because her reflexes in memory are so good. She's
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  Speaker 1: like the Taskmaster Hawking Bird for her mashup of costumes,
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  Speaker 1: Bishop Nitress, hawk At, Lady Hawkman, Lady Hawkeye Hawkys. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot, a bunch of them. I do think it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting that there is this plot line of sexual trauma
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  Speaker 1: in this one UM, which she only shares with her
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  Speaker 1: therapist and Jessica Jones. And also there are a string
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  Speaker 1: of one night stands and hookups. Uh, and she finds
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Barnes attractive. I just thought that was interesting. But
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  Speaker 1: she also has some strong friendships with women. I think
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons that all of Us stood out
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  Speaker 1: is because a lot of what I read growing up
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  Speaker 1: didn't have this kind of stuff, and if it did,
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  Speaker 1: it was told from the male perspective and definitely used
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  Speaker 1: as much more of like a plot point to further
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  Speaker 1: along the male storyline. So just interesting. Yeah, we'll see
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  Speaker 1: how it goes. Is she going to join the Contessa's
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  Speaker 1: Mirror Avengers team? Because I hear Florence Hughes Yelena is
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  Speaker 1: going to show up in this Hawkeye show, which is
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  Speaker 1: interesting due to what she believes about Hockey's Hawkeyes involvement
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  Speaker 1: in Black Widows Death. Um are they studying up young
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  Speaker 1: of Injurs? Um, Cassie Lane has just been recast, presumably
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  Speaker 1: for her bigger role. There's also the West Coast of
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  Speaker 1: injurs which is a thing. And yes, also Disney Plus
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  Speaker 1: saw your role. There is too much, just too many shows.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, because I was gonna say, the girl who's
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  Speaker 1: I think supposedly been recast for Cassie Lane is the
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  Speaker 1: girl from Supernatural, uh if I remember correctly. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I thought the whole push of the in credit scene
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  Speaker 1: was so that they had the whole plotline in credit
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  Speaker 1: scene from from Black Widow was it though they had
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  Speaker 1: a beginning plotline for hot guy. That's what I thought too,
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I we could be wrong, but if
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  Speaker 1: she's showing up, then that makes me think that it's
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  Speaker 1: at least going to be something to do with that,
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  Speaker 1: because now she is now the black widow. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I heard it s chili Again. It depends on which
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  Speaker 1: way they go, but she's definitely like the mirror black
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  Speaker 1: widow or the quote new black widow. But there are many,
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  Speaker 1: many options and many pass for them. Do you choose
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  Speaker 1: and we will see which one they go with. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so hopefully it's good. Maybe we'll have more thoughts and
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  Speaker 1: we'll return to it after we watch it in the meantime. Listeners,
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