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Ep. 1034: Foundations - Why Curious Hunters are Often Consistent Killers · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about the not
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  Speaker 2: so secret cheat code to life. It also happens to
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  Speaker 2: help us become much better hunters, which is curiosity. This
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  Speaker 2: is sort of an expanded take on a couple of
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  Speaker 2: points I made a couple of weeks ago about how
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  Speaker 2: we should all ask ourselves about the deer sign we
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  Speaker 2: find when we're doing other spring activities. I truly believe
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  Speaker 2: that curiosity is a cheat code to life, and that
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  Speaker 2: you not only have to try to stay curious, but
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  Speaker 2: also understand what it's doing for you on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 2: I know that might sound a little crazy, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to make it sound I don't know, reasonable, I
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  Speaker 2: hope as I dive into this one about how to
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  Speaker 2: make yourself a better hunter overall. Look, there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of questions that can't currently be answered, but that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean we shouldn't ask them, and it certainly doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean we shouldn't actively engage in the thought process of
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  Speaker 2: trying to follow the threads of possible answers as far
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  Speaker 2: as we can go. That kind of thinking isn't for everyone,
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  Speaker 2: but it is a very common theme amongst the folks
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  Speaker 2: I know who have gone from pretty much nothing to
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  Speaker 2: being multi millionaires and who, by every definition that matters,
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  Speaker 2: are successful in life. I've spent quite a bit of
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  Speaker 2: time working with three people who I firmly place in
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  Speaker 2: that category, and they are all extremely curious, Look, are
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  Speaker 2: there other factors at play? Sure, without question, you can't
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  Speaker 2: discount Look, but that's also a nice protective covering. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of us like to throw on someone else's success
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  Speaker 2: so we don't have to acknowledge how small of a
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  Speaker 2: role the old four leaf clover really played. There's work ethic,
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  Speaker 2: no doubt of those three fellows I'm thinking of all
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  Speaker 2: of them, work their asses off. There's a lot to it.
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  Speaker 2: And I know it's currently popular to be extremely dismissive
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  Speaker 2: of anyone who is more successful than us, but that's
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  Speaker 2: the wrong way to look at it. There will always
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  Speaker 2: be those folks, and how they are is a blueprint
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  Speaker 2: for how anyone else should consider trying to be. If
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  Speaker 2: being more successful is the goal, this goes for business, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but hunting too. Now. If that weren't true, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: really have an audience, I don't think, and neither would
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  Speaker 2: anyone else in the hunting industry. People aspire to be
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  Speaker 2: better at a lot of things in life, especially the
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  Speaker 2: kinds of pursuits that will get you up at four
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  Speaker 2: am when you could just keep snoozing away. If you
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  Speaker 2: want to know how to put this into practice, a
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  Speaker 2: good way to do it is to hunter fish for
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  Speaker 2: anything other than white tails. I say this slightly tongue
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  Speaker 2: in cheek, but mostly not. Maybe I'm too close to
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  Speaker 2: the topic, but it feels like the one outdoor pursuit
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  Speaker 2: that we feel we can fill in all the blanks
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  Speaker 2: for is deer hunting, and I think that's super dangerous ground.
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  Speaker 2: When you don't know what you don't know, but you
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  Speaker 2: tell yourself you do, you're operating off of false assumptions.
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  Speaker 2: Now we have to do that somewhat like when you
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  Speaker 2: fish a new lake. You have to decide somehow where
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  Speaker 2: to start, what lures or baits to use, how to
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  Speaker 2: use them. All that jazz. You plug in what you
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  Speaker 2: know and you try out some things. Fishing, at least
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  Speaker 2: on new water, is a curiosity game, but the stakes
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  Speaker 2: are generally low, so we don't think about it that way.
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  Speaker 2: The same goes for something like upland hunting that I
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  Speaker 2: like to talk about a lot. You know, when it's
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  Speaker 2: new and on October twentieth, we expect the roosters to
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  Speaker 2: be in certain spots in the field, and when it's
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  Speaker 2: nine am on December twentieth, we expect them to be
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  Speaker 2: somewhere else. But this is where the two types of
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  Speaker 2: hunters who are often out there deviate from one another.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of folks aren't curious. So there are those
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  Speaker 2: guys I talk about all the time who walk the
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  Speaker 2: outer edges of the slough and the fence lines around
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  Speaker 2: the property, and they think, well, I'm doing good enough
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  Speaker 2: because I'm either right by the cover or I'm right
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  Speaker 2: by the food. But here's the thing, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: might be all you need to think about on private ground,
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  Speaker 2: but it won't cut it on public because if it
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  Speaker 2: were that easy, there'd be no roosters left for anyone
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  Speaker 2: to shoot. Why would they be there where they get
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  Speaker 2: hunted the most, Then say some other part of the
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  Speaker 2: property where they don't. When we walk that well used
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  Speaker 2: circuit along the fence lines and flush three hens, when
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  Speaker 2: the tracks are everywhere in the snow but the birds aren't,
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  Speaker 2: the question should be if not here where? It's no
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  Speaker 2: different than when we are sitting in the edge of
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  Speaker 2: a beanfield on opening day a bo season and the
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  Speaker 2: bachelor group doesn't show up. You see, we look at
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  Speaker 2: curiosity in the form of some crazy haired engineer type
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  Speaker 2: sitting in a lab with a white coat and a microscope,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe sitting at a bench in the garage. It's
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  Speaker 2: littered with electrical parts and tools and stuff. Science is
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  Speaker 2: advanced by someone saying hmm, that's odd and then digging
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  Speaker 2: into whatever the odds is. When they don't get what
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  Speaker 2: they expect and that result isn't readily explainable, they don't
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  Speaker 2: make up a solution and keep running a failed experiment.
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  Speaker 2: They try something different. They follow a new line of
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  Speaker 2: thinking given their new information. Let's frame this up another way.
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  Speaker 2: Take someone who has the land and the means to
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  Speaker 2: curate a white tail paradise. You know, food plots, ponds,
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  Speaker 2: box blinds, dream property stuff for a lot of folks.
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  Speaker 2: Add in a couple dozen sell cameras that are running
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  Speaker 2: surveillance twenty four to seven, and the questions are mostly answered.
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  Speaker 2: They know where the bucks will be, where they'll hunt
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  Speaker 2: those bucks from, and it's sort of a mostly solved
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  Speaker 2: problem that is very, very appealing to a lot of us,
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  Speaker 2: and for good reason. Hunting deer, especially mature bucks, is
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  Speaker 2: a difficult thing to do. Success generally doesn't come easy
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  Speaker 2: for almost all of us, and when it does for
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  Speaker 2: a select few, it looks like skill, and it certainly
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  Speaker 2: can be. But if you also strip away the mystery
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  Speaker 2: and as many variables as possible, you end up with
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  Speaker 2: something predictable, and predictability is kind of the enemy of curiosity.
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  Speaker 2: An awful lot of us look at that style of
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  Speaker 2: hunting and try to draw as much from it as
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  Speaker 2: we can, and then we think we have predictable hunting.
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  Speaker 2: But what we generally create a slightly more predictable hunting
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  Speaker 2: that still requires a lot more from us than we think.
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  Speaker 2: We still fail a lot, and we would still greatly
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  Speaker 2: benefit from asking why a lot when we put ourselves
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  Speaker 2: into a position to not ask why. It's not that
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  Speaker 2: we fail as hunters, we just don't really grow as
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  Speaker 2: much as we could. There's a lot of bear hunting
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  Speaker 2: that happens here at Meat Eater. It's the only outdoor
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  Speaker 2: company I've ever worked for where the audience just eats
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  Speaker 2: up bear content, which I think is interesting. It's also
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  Speaker 2: not great for a fellow like me who doesn't love
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  Speaker 2: bear hunting. I've thought about this a lot, because I
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  Speaker 2: really love baiting bears and checking trail cameras and having
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  Speaker 2: a good excuse to do some work in the woods
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  Speaker 2: in August and September. But when the season opens, I
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  Speaker 2: have no desire to go sit over a pile of
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  Speaker 2: donuts and trail mix. It's not because I'm opposed to
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  Speaker 2: baiting bears either, I know that's the most realistic option,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in much of bear territory, where spotting and
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  Speaker 2: stalking is just out, and so is the possibility of
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  Speaker 2: setting up for natural bear movement. I spend a lot
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  Speaker 2: of time hunting white tails in bear country, and I
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  Speaker 2: almost never ever see a bear from stand. It's not
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  Speaker 2: the baiting, it's what the baiting does. It results in
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  Speaker 2: one or two spots that are the only options. And
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  Speaker 2: while bear hunting feels like it should be easy, it
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  Speaker 2: never is. It's a matter of just using the wind
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  Speaker 2: and sitting over and over until a bruin walks in.
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  Speaker 2: There's not much to solve for once the baits are
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  Speaker 2: established and start getting hit. Look, you can switch up
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  Speaker 2: the baits, you can hunt during different conditions, and there
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  Speaker 2: are ways to be curious about it, but there's only
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  Speaker 2: so much to solve for, and it's just it's not
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  Speaker 2: enough to truly interest me like some other outdoor pursuits do.
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  Speaker 2: I realize this recently after going from a public land
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  Speaker 2: turkey bohunt on a big property to sitting with my
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  Speaker 2: daughters on two much smaller private parcels here in the Burbs.
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  Speaker 2: The game is to weight them out in a couple
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  Speaker 2: of spots, because those are the only options. I do
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  Speaker 2: it because it's available and my daughters don't know any better.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not nearly as enjoyable to me as having
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  Speaker 2: a bigger area to try to figure it out. There
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  Speaker 2: is a quote from a fellow who was named Plutarch
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  Speaker 2: that goes the mind is not a vessel to be filled,
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  Speaker 2: but a fire to be kindled. I love that because
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  Speaker 2: it speaks to our natural tendency to accept answers and
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  Speaker 2: never question them. Think about this example. How often have
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  Speaker 2: you said, or if you've heard somebody say it, that
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  Speaker 2: the bucks bed somewhere specifically on a property. This happens
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  Speaker 2: all the time. The betting area is this or that.
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  Speaker 2: But that is a great way to not think about
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  Speaker 2: it and to not truly understand what that means. You're
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  Speaker 2: saying they always bed there, Probably not right with every
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  Speaker 2: wind direction, rain or shine zero degrees or one hundred
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  Speaker 2: with one hundred percent humidity on opening day versus six
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  Speaker 2: weeks into the season after being hunted hard on the
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  Speaker 2: right property. This is undoubtedly true, but for most of us,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thinking is damaging. Look at it this way.
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  Speaker 2: What happens if you believe that and you hunt the
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  Speaker 2: routes leading out of that betting area for a week
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  Speaker 2: and a big one doesn't show. Our natural tendency is
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  Speaker 2: to explain that away must have been coyotes or a
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  Speaker 2: small game hunter, or the buck is off on a
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  Speaker 2: walk about for the rut. Whatever. When we settle on
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  Speaker 2: an explanation that makes us comfortable, it's over. We don't
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  Speaker 2: have to try to figure anything out because the cause
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  Speaker 2: is out of our hands, which mean the remedy is
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  Speaker 2: as well. It's just like the folks who say they
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  Speaker 2: can't lose weight because of their genetics without thinking about
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  Speaker 2: how you don't have to go back more than two
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  Speaker 2: or three ancestors before that starts to fall apart real quickly.
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  Speaker 2: But if you believe that's true, there's no lifestyle change
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  Speaker 2: that will seem worth it, and the case is closed.
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  Speaker 2: The hunter who will get better over time is the
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  Speaker 2: hunter who says, why was I wrong about this? Did
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  Speaker 2: they know I was there? Maybe a different ambush option
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  Speaker 2: is the solution, Maybe it's worth trying, or maybe you
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  Speaker 2: ask yourself, why wasn't he bedded there? After all, your
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  Speaker 2: access was money, you had great win, and after putting
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  Speaker 2: in the hours, the buck just didn't show. Let me
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  Speaker 2: frame this up in a simple way. I have permission
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  Speaker 2: to hunt a farm in southeastern Minnesota, a part of
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  Speaker 2: which is cut right down the middle by a minimum
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  Speaker 2: maintenance road. The road allows us to access a hell
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  Speaker 2: of a lot of that farm. And when my dad
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  Speaker 2: and I first started hunting it back when I was
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  Speaker 2: in Google, we part close to a spot that is
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  Speaker 2: just one of those hubs of deer activity. It's an
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  Speaker 2: area where two valleys kind of meet and sort of
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  Speaker 2: flatten out in one of those spots where if you
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  Speaker 2: know what you're doing, you know we'll always have a
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  Speaker 2: community scrape or three in it because it just nudges
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  Speaker 2: the local deer to go through it at all points
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  Speaker 2: of the season. What we figured out there after way
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  Speaker 2: too long, was that nothing burned that spot out for
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  Speaker 2: us faster than parking two close. It was bad enough
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  Speaker 2: for evening sits, but a total killer for morning sits.
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  Speaker 2: The spot would always start out so hot and then
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  Speaker 2: just get cold fast. And you know what, we thought
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  Speaker 2: for a long time it was the lull, or it
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  Speaker 2: was the acorns dropping somewhere else. We weren't curious enough
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  Speaker 2: about it, so we use some of the go to explanations.
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  Speaker 2: But then I started just parking way farther up the
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  Speaker 2: road and walking in the ditch to get into it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what, that stan came back to life.
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  Speaker 2: If grizzly bears took helicopters into the back country to
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  Speaker 2: hunt us a month or two every fall, we'd get
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  Speaker 2: real cagy when we heard a chopper in the distance.
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  Speaker 2: How different is it for a white tail during hunting
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  Speaker 2: season to hear those tires crunching in the gravel and
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  Speaker 2: then stopping, then all those little noises of someone getting
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  Speaker 2: out and unzipping the bow case and throwing on their
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  Speaker 2: pack and whatever else. In that moment you have everyone's attention,
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  Speaker 2: and then you allow them to listen to you walking
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  Speaker 2: the field edge and then taking a path through the
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  Speaker 2: woods where undoubtedly there will be some other unnatural noises.
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  Speaker 2: When you get to your destination, you want the deer
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  Speaker 2: to write you off as another woodland critter, not hyper
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  Speaker 2: focus on your presence. I think at the heart of
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  Speaker 2: all of this, at least for yours truly anyway, is
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  Speaker 2: that failure is the catalyst for curiosity. Why weren't the
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  Speaker 2: birds roosted where they were supposed to be? How come
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  Speaker 2: the crappies haven't moved into the shallows yet? And where
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  Speaker 2: are they since they haven't? Why can someone who doesn't
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  Speaker 2: live in my state go to the public land by
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  Speaker 2: my house and kill a good buck when I believe
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  Speaker 2: you can, I an't see a button buck in there
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  Speaker 2: on most days. Or I'll use a better example that
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  Speaker 2: might be more relatable. Why when I finally do have
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  Speaker 2: a good buck within range, do I shoot like it's
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  Speaker 2: my first day holding a boat. I had to ask
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  Speaker 2: myself that a lot. After a lot of years of
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  Speaker 2: making excuses for not hitting them at all, let alone
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  Speaker 2: not hitting them in the heart of the lungs, I
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  Speaker 2: had the whole equation mostly solved, and then I started
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  Speaker 2: not being able to shoot them as well as I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to again after getting this job, and I had
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  Speaker 2: to stop protecting myself and start being curious about why
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  Speaker 2: it would go south for me in that category once again.
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  Speaker 2: When you stop explaining away the mysteries and start engaging
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  Speaker 2: with them, you allow yourself to actually try to work
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  Speaker 2: with the problems instead of accepting them as immovable barriers.
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  Speaker 2: I talk a lot about how you can't have above
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  Speaker 2: average hunting success without doing above average hunting work. You
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  Speaker 2: want to kill more chure bucks, I know you do.
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  Speaker 2: You better not hunt like the average whitetailer. It's pretty simple,
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  Speaker 2: but that implies a mostly physical solve, and don't kid yourself.
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  Speaker 2: The physical part of white tail hunting is very, very
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  Speaker 2: real and very important. If you're not willing to sweat
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  Speaker 2: and go when you don't want to. You're not going
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  Speaker 2: to kill a lot of big bucks. But the mental
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  Speaker 2: side matters, and this is where the discrepancy comes from
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  Speaker 2: in hunting advice. The people who have taken the mystery
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  Speaker 2: out of mature bucks in their lives are the people
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  Speaker 2: who are often financially motivated to sell you a solution.
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  Speaker 2: I get the hypocrisy of me saying that, By the way,
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  Speaker 2: the truth is, you have to think differently, and that's
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  Speaker 2: not just something that happens by acknowledging it. You know
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  Speaker 2: that George R. R. R. Fella, who wrote The Game
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  Speaker 2: of Thrones and I think five other spinoff series, he
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  Speaker 2: has a quote that goes like this, Why is it
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  Speaker 2: that when one man builds a wall, the next man
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  Speaker 2: immediately needs to know what's on the other side. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's a great saying, but also not entirely true.
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  Speaker 2: Some men and women do you need to know what's
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  Speaker 2: on the other side, but a lot of them don't.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people will stare at that metaphorical wall
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  Speaker 2: and never really be curious about what's on the other
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  Speaker 2: side because they think they know. Some folks understand that
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  Speaker 2: they can't know until they grab a ladder and take
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  Speaker 2: a peek over the top. Those folks are the same
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  Speaker 2: people who say, I think the deer should be doing this,
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  Speaker 2: and when they get it wrong, they say, well, why
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  Speaker 2: not that thing I thought? What am I missing? Then
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  Speaker 2: they try something else, and maybe they see some deer
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  Speaker 2: that give them a clue, or maybe they blank again.
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  Speaker 2: But they don't settle and decide it's unsolvable. They stay
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  Speaker 2: curious and keep asking themselves questions that lead to action.
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  Speaker 2: This is maybe the most important part of this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the time, when we aren't curious, it's because
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  Speaker 2: we are more comfortable with inaction. If you believe the
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  Speaker 2: lull is real and you can't kill a buck during it,
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  Speaker 2: you have given yourself a reason to not do anything,
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  Speaker 2: and that sounds like the best choice. But the curious
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  Speaker 2: hunter says, why does it seem like the buck movement
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  Speaker 2: is suppressed? Where are they and what are they doing
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  Speaker 2: right now? It's not like all of a sudden they
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  Speaker 2: all decide they need to bed during all legal shooting
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  Speaker 2: hours for a couple of weeks. That's not how it works.
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  Speaker 2: But it's an impossible problem to solve without taking action,
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  Speaker 2: and that action might be as simple as scouting for
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  Speaker 2: some hot oak trees, or maybe throwing a camera up
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  Speaker 2: on that stock tank that has some deer tracks around it.
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  Speaker 2: Curiosity is probably your best friend, and you should not
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  Speaker 2: only acknowledge that, but truly try to engage with it
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  Speaker 2: every chance you can. It might not make you super
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  Speaker 2: successful in life, but it won't hurt. But it certainly
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  Speaker 2: won't make you a worse deer hunter. That's it for
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  Speaker 2: this week. I'm Tony Peterson. This has been the Wire
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  Speaker 2: I know you got a lot of things to do
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  Speaker 2: this time of year. This is such an awesome time
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  Speaker 2: of year to be a fisherman and a turkey hunter
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  Speaker 2: and start thinking about deer and doing your food plot
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  Speaker 2: work and whatever else. But if you need a little
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