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5 Reasons Why This Is The Blackest Episode Of Lanterns "Episode Three Review Feat. BJ Kicks" · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: All his life, this woman has said, yo, them birds,
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  Speaker 1: them birds, you know. And then when he shook, she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I guess the birds weren't lying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But she's also talking to senior, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That was the craziest thing to me.
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  Speaker 1: No, that was a crazy moment because she also says
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  Speaker 1: that fear is contagious.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what's up, y'all? Welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: For All Nerd Show. It's your boy, DJ Ben Amin, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: Cal L. Bundy, Halal Jordan, Scary Alan, in Blackish Night,
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  Speaker 1: that purple, that purple, that purple lantern, here on the spaceship.
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  Speaker 1: And as always, I am joined by.
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  Speaker 5: Tatiana King, the Grand Duchess of Tech, also known as
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  Speaker 5: Flex Luthor, Glorilla Grodd, Fear of Zod, Jewel Zantana, Black
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  Speaker 5: and Yellow Lantern.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't like that one, Ben. Yeah, I wasn't ready.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't ready. And, of course, the Far Setter Prospector.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. There we go.
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  Speaker 3: A.K.A. Meester P. Make him say, hmm. A.K.A. Rubberband Banks. A.K.A.
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  Speaker 3: X-Men's Rogue One. A.K.A. Khadijah Reigns.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: All righty, all righty. And returning two weeks in a row,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for coming back to the show for this
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  Speaker 1: extra special episode. The one and only BJ Kix of
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  Speaker 1: Comics Are Dope. Please reintroduce yourself.
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  Speaker 4: BJ Kix, A.K.A. Tim Draco. Bow, bow.
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  Speaker 1: A.K.A.
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  Speaker 4: Beware My Black Power. A.K.A. Superman. I cannot believe how
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  Speaker 4: good this show is.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: A.K.A. Smooth Jazz and R & B.
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  Speaker 4: The Quiet Storm.
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  Speaker 1: The Quiet Storm.
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  Speaker 2: The Quiet Storm.
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  Speaker 1: Himself. Yes, yes. Yes, and we are back. As you said,
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  Speaker 1: Superman cannot believe how good this show is. Lanterns Episode 3.
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  Speaker 1: Entitled Outcast. It is written by Vanessa Bading Kelly. Off top.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Off top. One of the executive producers of this show.
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  Speaker 1: Want to give them all the respect and love. All
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  Speaker 1: the flowers. And as I've seen going around, this feels
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  Speaker 1: like this is the Emmy episode. Like this is the
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  Speaker 1: one they submit for Emmy consideration. All that. It's entitled Outcast.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite group of all time. End of story. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: 10 of 10. You know, like, you can't end an
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  Speaker 1: episode with gasoline fucking dreams and not expect me to
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  Speaker 1: jump out of my seat ready to tear my TV
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  Speaker 1: off the wall. Like, Lord have mercy, y'all. Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 1: Easily my favorite episode of the season, without a doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Just phenomenal. Like, writing, directing, editing, pacing, acting, everything. Just perfection. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: If nothing else, easily one of the blackest episodes, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Easily.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 5: One of the episodes I was waiting for, particularly once
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  Speaker 5: back to my original question at the beginning of the season,
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  Speaker 5: how far are.
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  Speaker 2: They going to take it?
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  Speaker 5: Are they going to be for real and upfront about
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  Speaker 5: blackness and its effect on everything? Even on a fictional, quote,
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  Speaker 5: fictional world, how does this matter to the people, right?
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  Speaker 2: So how does this.
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  Speaker 5: inform the decisions that are being made or the decisions
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  Speaker 5: that don't get made right so i just love that
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  Speaker 5: they dove really deeply into this and the understanding that
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  Speaker 5: some people beings from other planets don't really know how
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  Speaker 5: it how shit happens over here and how shit operates
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  Speaker 5: and are you aware of the deaths of, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the things that you do?
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  Speaker 2: And I just, I did particularly love it.
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  Speaker 5: The biggest thing for me was getting a full origin
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  Speaker 5: story for Jon Stewart from what I saw in the,
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  Speaker 5: what the after credits or the, the, the kind of,
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  Speaker 5: what they call a director's cut stuff where Vanessa Bain
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  Speaker 5: and Kelly was speaking.
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  Speaker 2: She was like, there's not much by way of backstory
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  Speaker 2: for Jon Stewart.
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  Speaker 5: And so she got a chance to literally create one,
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  Speaker 5: flesh it out, make this canon for the fan boys
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  Speaker 5: who are out there listening.
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  Speaker 2: So I really thought this was very strong.
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  Speaker 5: It, really answered a lot of questions that we had, like,
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  Speaker 5: in the previews that came out, answered, like, five questions
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  Speaker 5: we had last week, and validated what we had already said,
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  Speaker 5: particularly you, Benhamin.
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  Speaker 2: You caught the whole thing.
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  Speaker 5: You guessed it, and you were completely right, so I
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  Speaker 5: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Portia.
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  Speaker 3: For me, I had questions about, like, where was the
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  Speaker 3: mom the whole time, and got all the answers to
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  Speaker 3: that in ways that had me, like, If you could
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  Speaker 3: see my notes, because I write them, so many goddammit
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  Speaker 3: Bernadettes in here, like, damn, damn Bernadette. So I can't
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  Speaker 3: wait to get into all of that, because I really, wow,
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  Speaker 3: she's a formidable woman in many ways, I suppose we
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  Speaker 3: can say.
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  Speaker 2: She scared the shit out of me, bro. I ain't
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  Speaker 2: gonna hold you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we got a new contender for no more
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  Speaker 1: wire hangers. Worst mom of all time.
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  Speaker 4: I think she got Chip Fields beat, dog.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you I gotta jump in.
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  Speaker 1: With that and then it's like you know she's like
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  Speaker 1: outpacing the competition right now I.
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  Speaker 5: Gotta jump in with you on that Portia as a
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  Speaker 5: black woman I was like damn you black women harder
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  Speaker 5: than me cause my god I was like god I
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  Speaker 5: was like I know and you know and I got
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  Speaker 5: a kid and I'm just like damn like did I
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  Speaker 5: ever like would I ever do that for like whoa
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  Speaker 5: that's on some other type of timing and I get
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  Speaker 5: it as a fellow black I also was like, damn,
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  Speaker 5: did you have to go that hard?
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  Speaker 1: Every time she walks into the room, ride or die, chicks,
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  Speaker 1: just start playing. Like, every time.
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  Speaker 3: And listen, you can argue, like, what's at stake, right?
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  Speaker 2: They made it very.
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  Speaker 5: Vanessa Bain and Kelly and friends made it very existential
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  Speaker 5: about what was at stake, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, not just.
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  Speaker 5: It really was more than just being the lantern to
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  Speaker 5: take that mantle to... it's about taking that next step
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  Speaker 5: for who you are to become. Cause they made a
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  Speaker 5: very big point to wrap that up, particularly in blackness
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  Speaker 5: of how the typical tropes, you gotta be better than,
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  Speaker 5: or triple times better than you gotta do more. You
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  Speaker 5: gotta do this just to get a little, you gotta
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  Speaker 5: make yourself seen. And so this had mad layers on
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  Speaker 5: top of everything else. So I think that's probably also what,
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  Speaker 5: to your point, Portia, about her just being like, damn Bernadette.
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  Speaker 2: I was also, my.
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  Speaker 5: Body was responding to kind of the, importance of what
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  Speaker 5: was happening it's more than just training to get a
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  Speaker 5: ring it's a lot more.
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  Speaker 6: Than that bj bro yeah nah it's like props to
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  Speaker 6: their whole writing team but like just i i have
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  Speaker 6: trouble putting into words how i felt about that episode
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  Speaker 6: like it's so many layers right like being raised by
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  Speaker 6: a single mom in the south right like there's so
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  Speaker 6: much of maybe i shouldn't say it this way after
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  Speaker 6: this but so much of my mother that I see
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  Speaker 6: in Bernadette.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 6: And, and not, you know, to the, to the extremes
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  Speaker 6: that we see her take, but like the fact that
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  Speaker 6: Bernadette put her family on her back, like, because it
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  Speaker 6: was not just that, you know, John might become a lantern.
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  Speaker 6: It was like, no, my entire family's reputation and the
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  Speaker 6: rest of our livelihood depends.
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  Speaker 4: On this training.
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  Speaker 6: And Bennett, when we, when you kind of floated your
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  Speaker 6: theory in last episode, I was kind of obsessing over
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  Speaker 6: the idea of John Sr. as that stage or sports
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  Speaker 6: dad living vicariously. So the mom being the crazy one
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  Speaker 6: was not on my bingo card.
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  Speaker 4: It hit me so much. Not on mine either. Out
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  Speaker 4: of left field. I was like, yo.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I kept saying, damn it, Bernadette. Because I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: damn it, Bernadette, for like... yes, for junior, but also
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  Speaker 3: for how she talks to senior. And she's like, you
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  Speaker 3: need this. Like, she's like, I'm like she, and it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to untangle how much of it was her carrying
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  Speaker 3: guilt for being part of like, She knows the strife
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  Speaker 3: of a Black man in America. She's living with this man.
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  Speaker 3: She contributed to him thinking that he was crazy. And
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  Speaker 3: now it's like, is that compensation for her to get
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  Speaker 3: over her guilt to push so hard for him to
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  Speaker 3: move the way that he moves? Because she's like, I
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  Speaker 3: need to compensate for like, I made his strife worse
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  Speaker 3: and I'm supposed to be his support. And like, it's
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  Speaker 3: just like the layer, like, it's just so much. And
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  Speaker 3: there's like Bernadette girl. And then she's like, you see her.
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  Speaker 3: in the room with the radio trying to communicate with
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  Speaker 3: aliens that she's only met one of once. And you
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  Speaker 3: knew when she told him the story, Junior, the story
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  Speaker 3: about the birds being the aliens and watching on him,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't ring true, but she's convicted. She's so convicted
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  Speaker 3: the whole time talking to him that you're just like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: maybe there's more going on than we know or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And I, the way that she's able to carry that out,
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  Speaker 3: like that is like, again, to your point, which is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: not to this extreme, but like my, like Black mothers
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  Speaker 3: in the South, the ones I witnessed, like that's some,
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  Speaker 3: that is the kind of like what I witnessed is like,
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  Speaker 3: they may not believe everything they're telling you. but they're
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  Speaker 3: telling you for a reason and you need to go
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  Speaker 3: with it and they can't like you can question later
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  Speaker 3: they can give you the more full details later and
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  Speaker 3: i'm glad she ended up doing that we're gonna get
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  Speaker 3: through all that i'm sure but i'm that was one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that kind of stayed with me is
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  Speaker 3: that like like the earlier episodes had me questioning like
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  Speaker 3: what is john's relationship with his parents for him to
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  Speaker 3: have like gone through all the the bullet holes is
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  Speaker 3: bears like testifies to all the stuff he's gone through
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  Speaker 3: through his childhood in that household and for him to
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  Speaker 3: be calling his father in the episode where he's like
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  Speaker 3: having issues with how i'm just like what is his
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  Speaker 3: relationship for him to feel that way and then we
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  Speaker 3: get to this and it's like damn for Like, she's
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  Speaker 3: the reason for the season behind all of this.
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  Speaker 1: As someone who grew up, like I've said before, in
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  Speaker 1: the South with a military father and not a Bernadette mom,
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  Speaker 1: my mom was definitely someone who guided me and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: was helped and, you know, believed in everything that I did.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she was one who I wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: a film director, anything I wanted to do. Both my
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  Speaker 1: parents in that regard. But at the same time, Like
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  Speaker 1: you said, Portia, my mom would say things that she
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  Speaker 1: might not believe in. And my mom had a heavy
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  Speaker 1: hand when my dad didn't. My mom would slap the
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  Speaker 1: living life out of me, would do whatever needed to
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  Speaker 1: be done to keep me safe and keep me on
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  Speaker 1: a path. You know, as they continually say in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: the path that you're on. And my first one that
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  Speaker 1: really just sticks with me is like they really tell
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  Speaker 1: their son at five years old. That he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be space Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: That he's destined.
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  Speaker 1: Destined to be space Jesus. And that's like, I remember
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  Speaker 1: being five. Five is when my memories really start to form.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember a lot more about five than I
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  Speaker 1: do about my previous years. And it's insane to me
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  Speaker 1: that you would tell some kid at five years old
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to be space Jesus. And you're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to go on a very specific path. that
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  Speaker 1: could be different from your family, everything else. It shows
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  Speaker 1: a level of obsession. And I don't like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: calling the parents insane, but they are definitely traumatized. I'll
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  Speaker 1: say that, you know, highly traumatized. And we spoke on
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  Speaker 1: this and I spoke on this last week when I
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  Speaker 1: talked about how, you know, the light coming for the
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  Speaker 1: father and him saying that he would be afraid that
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  Speaker 1: we see in this episode. And I love how that's
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  Speaker 1: touched on because it is the fact that it's, Imagine
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  Speaker 1: the police showing up in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 1: you know, lights blazing. Are you afraid? You know? Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Like, of course, because I'm trying to protect my family.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a black man in America. And a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are upset and we're going to get on to this,
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  Speaker 1: but they're get, they're tight about, you know, them saying
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  Speaker 1: how Jordan is privileged to not know fear, but he is.
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  Speaker 1: It still is.
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  Speaker 2: It is and still is.
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  Speaker 5: BJ joked about it when it was dead-ass serious when
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  Speaker 5: he mentioned that last week about the privilege of a
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  Speaker 5: white man to just pull up on someone and just,
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  Speaker 5: you know, hit him up. Like, that's his right. It
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  Speaker 5: was a joke, but it was for real. And just
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  Speaker 5: to what you just said, Ben, I mean, I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to say it. These niggas is crazy. They're 100% crazy. However,
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  Speaker 5: sometimes you got to be a little crazy to reach
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  Speaker 5: for the impossible.
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  Speaker 2: The impossible fucking happened.
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  Speaker 5: The impossible, the unknown, the thing that they never would
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  Speaker 5: have imagined in their whole fucking life came down to
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  Speaker 5: them and.
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  Speaker 2: Said, are you afraid? Yes, space Jesus.
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  Speaker 5: I am afraid because I've never seen a triple headed
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  Speaker 5: freak come out of, you know, the cut like that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. And I'm a man trying to protect my family.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. I don't know what the fuck is going on.
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  Speaker 3: Understood.
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  Speaker 5: To that point, like I said, you, yes, you have
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  Speaker 5: to have a level of obsession to be like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's several obsessions. They're like, it's John senior's obsession with
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  Speaker 5: the fact that he got passed over on some shit.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Because he, it was something that just happened to him
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  Speaker 5: that for all his background, for all of his experiences
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  Speaker 5: as a black man, for him having a family, right.
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  Speaker 5: that he answered honestly, like, yes, I am afraid. Whereas,
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: as we mentioned, Hal didn't necessarily have none of that, right?
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  Speaker 5: He had the privilege and what you want to call
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  Speaker 5: white privilege and male privilege, a whole bunch of different
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  Speaker 5: privileges mixed into one that he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Feel in all type of ways. He just took that, right?
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  Speaker 1: Fine.
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  Speaker 2: You have the wife portion. You said it very well.
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  Speaker 5: Like, especially after the fact, like she felt like, I
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  Speaker 5: almost felt like it was like an atonement for her
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  Speaker 5: that the fact that you said, like she, she felt
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  Speaker 5: she couldn't, and she apologized for it too. That the
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: fact that she felt like she contributed to his hardship,
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: to the fact that she ain't believe him just like
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: And you could tell, like, she is, she is very.
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  Speaker 5: Black power pro pro black and very much like, I'm
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  Speaker 5: supposed to be your partner. I'm supposed to be your
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  Speaker 5: strength and help you through this and, and vice versa.
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  Speaker 5: And she, She felt a fail. She felt that she
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: she she she committed a failure towards him, potentially a sin,
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: sin towards the institution of them.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So I understand that level of obsession. And as mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: you have to be a little bit crazy to believe
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  Speaker 5: in that. She sight unseen for how many years, 20 years, whatever,
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  Speaker 5: how old John was supposed to be by the time
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: we get 2016, like sight unseen. You're just going to believe,
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: you know, the blue man came down from space and
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  Speaker 5: told me that I'm going to be a superhero.
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  Speaker 2: My child, my Black child, one of three. She didn't
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  Speaker 2: even tell him that.
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  Speaker 3: That's the funniest thing about this is all interpretation. And
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  Speaker 3: that's part of my question, too, is because when the
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Guardian came, some of the things that she, nuggets that
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: she dropped were, one, there were multiple candidates that were struck.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of them are dealing with emotional issues
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  Speaker 3: after the situation. So I'm not trying to speak, I'm
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  Speaker 3: never going to speak on the side of white folks.
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  Speaker 3: But to the point of, like, not every, there were other,
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  Speaker 3: probably other white people who were approached with the option
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  Speaker 3: of being Green Lantern, if this is what's happening in
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  Speaker 3: this universe. And they were afraid, and Hal had the
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: privilege of being able to say, I'm not afraid. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that what I love about Bernadette saying that, like,
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  Speaker 3: the alien didn't do their discovery work, they didn't do
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  Speaker 3: their research, was that, like, There's so many layers to that.
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  Speaker 3: Even in space, y'all don't care about us. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's also kind of the point that Ben made from
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  Speaker 3: that one frame in the comics or whatever, where there's
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  Speaker 3: the alien who's asking the lanterns, like, do you care
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  Speaker 3: about Black folks kind of thing? And I wonder if
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  Speaker 3: we're going to see that, or this is their way.
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  Speaker 1: Of interpreting it for the show. That was this, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just interesting to me because I feel like
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: It's interesting to me that the alien, because her whole
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: vantage point of coming to Bernadette in that moment was
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: that we know that we've caused distress. And why is
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: this alien more concerned about causing distress and failing to
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: recruit people than the army in the US, at least,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: but I know across the world? It's about the people
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: that they have go through like basic training and stuff
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: and they warp mentally. And they're dealing with that for years.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: People they have go through wars and stuff like that.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Humans against humans. And they're just like, well, we're used
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: to humans being in conflict with each other. We're used
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: to causing emotional turmoil. So we're not going to check
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: up on you. We're not going to check on your
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: mental health. We're not going to give you those benefits
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: unless you like work really hard to like show that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: You need them.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: But here comes this alien with a diamond. Like we
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: care about your emotional turmoil, but also we don't care
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: enough to actually figure out like, what you may need
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: specifically to make that happen so for her for bernadette
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: and for um john senior to move forward with this
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: idea that they have a child who has been chosen
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: when really all the guardian said is that he could
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: he could be a candidate for the future and they're
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: using they're creating the story narrative around him this little
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: fairy tale for him that he has been chosen and
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: And the birth is part of like, it's like, it's
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: making him a Disney princess in a way, right? Like
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: he has the births for him and he's destined to
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: be this thing and people he's been chosen. So it's,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: it's very interesting. Like how there there's the reality of
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: it all, but then they're embracing the fantasy of it
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: to make it real. It's just like a really interesting
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: kind of layer there.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: I found it funny that the guardians with all their
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: research thought, giving me a giant fucking hope diamond with a,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: Fixed everything.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Nigga, give me the cash. The money.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, they ended up being able to use the
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: diamond money eventually, so.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's also like, who knows how much they actually,
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: that was a priceless diamond. Understand, like, there's no amount
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: of money they could have got fairly, right? Like, they
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: got what they got and then ran out a few
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: years later.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Like, fuck that. Give me the money.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: I ain't talking unless you giving me land.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Buy me lands but just to you know shoot some
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: bail to you know john's parents right like that is
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: that craziness is absolutely the result of trauma right yes
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: and just kind of 100 right but like just bringing
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: it back to real life like i remember uh again
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: i'm raised in like middle class mostly white neighborhoods right
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: but i remember the day that We came home from
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: school and we're talking to this white girl that got
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: off a school bus that went to school with my
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: cousin and my grandmother just like peeking through the window
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: and then like proceeds to give us an hour long
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: lecture at like full volume, just screaming at us. Don't
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: be talking to them white girls. Next thing you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: they're going to claim you raped them and dah, dah, dah, dah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: And like, to me, that sounded crazy. I'm like, you're
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: raising us with these people. We go to school with
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: these people. We can't talk like this is stupid. This
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: is crazy. And then, you know, some years later, I
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: get the story of how the clan burned down my
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: grandmother's high school.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Allegedly. They still have not proven it was the clan.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: It was the clan.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, that's the type of.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: Response that you get out of a traumatic incident like that.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Like we're going to protect these boys at all costs.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: And absolutely. You're going to be a lawyer. You don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: have a choice. When you go to college, you're going
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: to get major in this. It was not even like, Oh, go,
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: go find yourself.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Nah, you're going to major in one of these three subjects,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: you know, go get you a good government job. Like
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: that is absolutely the path that they would set.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: And so I, would imagine that if my grandmother were
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: visited by a blue space alien and was like, hey,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: he could be a superhero one day. It's like, oh,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: you're absolutely going to be a superhero. You were chosen. Yeah. Like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: that's it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: You have to have the audacity to believe that, right? Like,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: because what the fuck else? It showed up to you.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I think all of us have similar or different... Varying
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: experience to the craziness and the trauma that gets passed
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: down to us from the people who are raising us.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: I'm growing up in New York and I could never,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: me and my brothers could never use, and this is
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: like a more mild example, we can never use anything
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: that resembled a gun. And we're talking about Nerf guns,
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: water guns.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Air, like anything that it could be neon colored, you know, orange.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter because, and my mom, you, and she
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: literally said, and what you said touched a nerve on me.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Cause my mom said, y'all cannot play like how they play.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: And she said, I remember those words very vividly. And
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: obviously it wasn't until I was older. I really understood
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: what she meant by that. Y'all cannot play with the
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: things that they play with. Y'all cannot do the things
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: that they play with. OK, because we're talking like the
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: 90s when like even though it's been happening since forever,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: that was when it started getting televised more and more
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: about police shootings, about this and that, about the kid
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: was playing and was targeted, things like that. So I
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: hear you what you're saying, BJ, about the craziness being
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: kind of. imbued in the experience, right? Like, and I'm
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: using craziness as a euphemism. They're not literally out of
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: their mind, but some out of their mind shit had
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: to happen for them to react that way, right?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: It's like the saying, you know, you're not paranoid when
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you know what's up against you. And, you know, they
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: are someone, they are two Black people who have experienced
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: America their whole lives and have been downtrodden, et cetera.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And when some, you know, blue alien, like you said,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: comes along and says, This is your way out. You know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: it's like your kid could be LeBron James, you know. Well,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: then I'm going to put this man on the basketball
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: court every goddamn day until he turns into LeBron James
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: or something. You know, they showed up right now. That's
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen now. There's a couple of things
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I do want to touch on and we're going to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: get into so many things. But one thing I do
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: want to say is like because there's already people are
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: enraged that the idea that Hal isn't, you know, like
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: he only got the ring because of white privilege. And
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that's not what the show is saying. That's not the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: case at all. Like, Hal is, you know, the most willful, everything.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: He is all those things. Like, we see in the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: preview for next week, Sinestro says, oh, he's just like you, basically.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: He gonna be arrogant. He gonna be all these things.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Because he is. Hal is a great Green Lantern. He's deserving. But...
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: White privilege allows him to not grow with fear. And
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: this is something that really struck me in the episode.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And I talked about this on the recap that I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: did last night. When halfway through the episode, I'm like, yo,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: do I fucking live in fear? you know, as a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: black man in America and as someone who has traveled
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to other places, I say, yes, like I've been in
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Ethiopia and lived there for months at a time where
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I did not feel the way I feel on a
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: daily basis in America. And I don't think it's, possible
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: for people who aren't black people or of color you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: know or really black people i'll say i don't know
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you know because i only know the black experience to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: even understand this and as we were doing the when
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: i did the post this morning and i was watching
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the chat from the recap last night someone said this
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: episode was over exaggerated and i talked about this recently
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: how i read a study about how racism is so
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: ingrained in us that we don't even get to accept
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know, or understand the levels of it. But just
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a quick story, because everyone's telling their stories today. I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: grew up in Houston, Texas, right? And I went to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: an elementary school, then a middle school. And then I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: was supposed to go to this high school. Like everyone,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: all my classmates, you know, you go to one school,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the next, you know, but I went to a different
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: high school. But while my friends were at that high school,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: when I was in like junior year at Lamar High School,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you can look this up. These white boys came to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: school one day wearing shirts that said if the South
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: had won the war, we wouldn't be in this mess. Obviously,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: a fight broke out. It turns into a race riot
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: at the school and the school gets shut down for,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think, a week. You know, it was crazy.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, maybe a week, two weeks. I'm not
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: sure how long it got shut down. You can look
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: it up. Lamar High School, you know, just the other
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: day there was a. fight in Florida, like a boxing match, UFC, something.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It was some crazy shit with this Jewish dude versus
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a professed Nazi. But people are in the stands waving
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Nazi flags and stuff. This is America, Orlando, Florida. The
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: other day in 2026. Like, this is like, Also, when
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I grew up, they once dragged a black man behind
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a truck. This is, I think, in Waco, Texas.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: In Jasper?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Jasper. There was Jasper. Yep, yep. You already know. Like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: this is, you know, I'm distrusted when people sit there
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and tell me that race isn't involved in everything, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and that we live in this, like, post-racial society or
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: some bullshit like that. It is just, you know, it's ridiculous.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I was... a commenter was sitting there talking about, oh,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I have to take issue with some of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the stuff you said when, you know, you talk about
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: how race isn't involved and everything. I'm just like, yo, man,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I don't have time for that because it is. The
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: very fact that we're sitting here discussing black versus white
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: versus any other race is a construct of toxic whiteness.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: You know, everything is part of this system. And so
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: when you see shows like this that are bearing witness
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to this and people are getting upset and be like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: it's over-exaggerated, It's ridiculous to me and it's honestly insulting.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Not only is it ridiculous, it's just like, of course
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: you're going to react that way because you don't want
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: to see it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You guys reacted this way with Watchmen.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: You guys reacted this way with every fucking comic known
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: to man that's ever been made into a live action anything.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: You always have a fucking problem like, oh, why race,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: why race, why race?
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: It is ingrained. There is no getting away from it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: And until you understand that, until you accept that fact,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: you will always have the same tired response anytime anyone
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: says black. anywhere and my name says white anywhere you're
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: gonna always be upset unless you're one of the guardians
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: you have no right to one be upset by it
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: two you are living in it you are living in
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: the results of toxic whiteness right because I'm trying not
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: to say white supremacy, toxic whiteness, right?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: You're living in the result of it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: You are bathing in the glow and basking in the
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: spoils of that war, right? Or the continuous war of that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: So I really don't want to hear that, right? And
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: I will say that again, I don't know the makeup
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: of the person who said that comment, Ben, about it's
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: exaggerated or whatever. One thing that I can understand, particularly
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: how it affected us, how we kept saying damn Bernadette,
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: is because for me, as I thought about it, it's like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: a physical and very literal manifestation of all of the
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: lessons that our parents have taught us. No, nobody put
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: an apple on my head and shot at me like
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: I was William Tell, but the depths and the levels
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: of the lessons and the things that were done to
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: protect me, to give me a way of life from
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: my family, from my people, was that extreme.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: When you really think about it, it really was extreme.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I said it was a mild case of, oh, I
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: can't play with toy guns or whatever.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: That's actually really extreme.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: That means from now to forever to the point where
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: when you're older, you can never even touch it or
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: go anywhere near it, right? Like, You can't talk a
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: certain way. You can't be a certain way. That is
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: an extreme. That changes the literal makeup of who you
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: are as a person, of how you feel you can
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: move in this world. And again, no, it's not all
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: that shit that they want to do, the stuff that
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: we're referring to as crazy, but it is that deep.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: And I, that's the part that people really don't understand
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: or don't want to understand for various reasons. And it's
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: mostly mainly because they don't want to remove the veil.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: They don't want to remove the, the world that gives
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: them the privilege that they have.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: It's just like, Oh, you guys are over exaggerating.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, we're getting killed the same ways we was getting
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: killed for the last 400 years.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Real quick, because you asked about the makeup and because
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the title of this episode is outcast. Big Rube, one
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of the Outkast Dungeon family who drops the poems on
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Outkast albums, once said, you know, if you think that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: an Outkast album is all about pimping hoes and slamming
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: cattle at does, then you're a cracker or someone who
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: thinks that they're a cracker. And that's what I always say.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of people, you know, regardless of skin color,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: who think that they're a cracker, who think that they
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: can exist in this system and, you know, remain centrist,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: which I feel weak as fuck. and think that they
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: can just live their life and like, oh, I don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: want to talk about race and all that shit. But
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you know when you in the game you know the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: game is gonna play you whether or not you play
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: or not so.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah I just like when I my two cents
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: is that like what I'm hearing is that White supremacy,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: toxic whiteness, whatever, it's all layers of protecting the capitalist
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: system as it is. The way that it is all functioning,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: the capital that it was originally built off of is
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: human capital. Those bodies were Black bodies, and we are
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: living with those ramifications to this day. I feel like
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: what I'm hearing whenever people bring up certain things like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: this like assimilationist like thoughts or like this like post-racial
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: fantasy stuff it's like they're trying to speak it into
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: being as if speaking it will make it so and
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that just is never going to work it never has
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: worked and it's not going to work because the system
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: is built the way it's built for the same reasons
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: to keep it uphill to keep the status quo going
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: as it has been going for centuries And so when
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: you're saying like, oh, it's overdone, like I hear so
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: many things from that. Like one for I'm hearing, how
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: dare you? And this franchise that is capitalist, which is
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: making money off of all these things, which is like
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: upheld in Hollywood, one of the biggest like industries and
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: ecosystems there is to make money. How dare you confront
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: me with this concept that I have put as something
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: that is separate from being consulted or made into anything
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: that would change my worldview and perspective. Because what I
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: know about this system is that it upholds what's always
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: been going on. Why would you confront me now with
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: something that I've been told that I'm never going to
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: come into this because it doesn't make money? Oh, so
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I can understand. And now I can understand too. If
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: people feel a way... Because there's real valid reasons to
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: feel a way about Watchmen... and like any like guardians
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: or like black panther or whatever making money talking about
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: black stories and not like if they don't actually do
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: anything they don't actually raise money for black folks they
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: don't actually do like i could understand that kind of
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: ire towards like you're using my pain on screen but
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: you're not doing anything about it if like they show
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the tulsa massacre and they don't do anything to uphold
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: you know to help tulsa out like that's there's levels
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to that that i can understand right but that's a
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: whole different perspective than what you're presenting of like, you're
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: overdoing it. Like, so Franken stories, like from growing up
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: in Tennessee, very whites surrounded existence. There were, and I
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: was one of those AP honor kids. So I would
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: be in very white classrooms, a lot of my education.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And those were kids that were like, they questioned authority
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: all the time. They talked crazy to the teachers all
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: the fucking time. And I never did. Cause that never would,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: come to my head. That was not how I was raised.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: That was not my thing. And there were so many
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: times where it's like, slavery might come up. And we're
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: in history class. And suddenly, it's a question of like,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: one time this kid in AP history, which was like,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: of all the APs, was my best performing AP. This
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: guy asked, well, why didn't they leave? If... Slavery was
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: a choice. Slavery was a choice.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Why didn't they just leave?
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And there have been times like Washington Watchmen where I
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: have had moments where I'm like, I wonder if this
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: will even come across that guy's radar. Because the Twitter
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: discussions that happened when people were like, oh... This is
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: the first time I've ever been confronted with the idea
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: that this actually happened in real life. I had no
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: idea that this was real. Mind you, these are stories,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: like when Brenda's talking about the guy who got dragged
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: in Texas, I grew up hearing that story down South
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: being Black. And I'm not from Texas. I'm from a
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: whole other part of the South, but I'm getting that story.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I'm hearing stories from all over the South about Black
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: folks and all the people getting bombs on their portraits
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that into the 90s, into the 1000s.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: And so I, it boggles my mind. Like, that's the
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: privilege of like, you're living your life in the same region,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: the same small, in the same towns. And you're not
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: hearing these stories because y'all are being taught that I
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: got nothing to do with you. It's like, that's just
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: part of some, that's some story. That's some fantasy. That's
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: not real. Don't have any evidence. Who even knows if
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: that's true. At the same time, you have like Nana
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: and Papa with like relics with, like, postcards of lynchings
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: and stuff, and they're freaking addict. But at the same time,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: this ain't true. People are over-exaggerating. And that's what pisses
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: me off about hearing over-exaggerating. And at the same time,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: talking about my high school experience, where there are Black
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: folks that were like, we're going to just get along
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: for the get-along. I'm not going to say too much
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: about nothing. I'm going to put my head down.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say, yeah, people are over-exaggerating. Not me,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: but I've heard people who would be like, oh, yeah,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: they're over-exaggerating. Or, oh, they're making too much of it.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: It's always us that's over-exaggerating.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Nobody else, everyone else's stuff that they went through is plausible,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: but me, no way.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: No.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Because Black people don't feel pain, right? Like, we can
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: get surgery without anesthesia. They can give us syphilis and
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: just watch the effects of it. Like, Black people don't
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: feel pain. So, like, of course they're over-exaggerating. They just
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: want sympathy, but they don't even actually feel anything.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, wow.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I think this is kind of a cause... to mine,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: just the importance of representation in media. Because we're having
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: this conversation about what we perceive as very individualized experiences
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: and realizing this is a very much collective experience. We
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: can keep going with stories for days. And all of
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: my stories are personal to me. But to see some
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: of this dialogue being sparked on HBO at 9 p.m.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: On a Sunday, it's like, oh, that's validating. Like I
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: wasn't tripping this whole time.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Like there's, I mean, this conversation is doing a lot
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: for me and I guess we'll get back to lanterns
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: at some point.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: But like my wife, like there's a 10 year gap
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: between my first and second children. And in that gap
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: is a bunch of miscarriages, but also a bunch of
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: trips to an OBGYN and who like refused to test
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: my wife for PCOS because it was like, well, you
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: already had a kid. You're fine. Come to find out
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: 10 years later, she did have PCOS. Not only does
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: she have PCOS, she had one of the worst cases
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: that her current practice had ever seen. And it's just like, perhaps,
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: perhaps a white woman would have gotten the test. Like
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: what could have, how much heartache would we have saved?
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: just if someone listened to her, right? Like it is,
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: it is infuriating to think back on. And it's like,
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: I absolutely see just to bring this back, how you
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: grow up like Jon Stewart Jr.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Did.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: And it's like, all right, they might be able to
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: weaponize just about anything.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: They're not going to cause me to fear.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Hmm. And that's something else I want to touch on,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: especially when we talk about John Jr. growing up, because
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like I know all of us can relate
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: to this in one way or the other, is when
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: he's reciting the Outkast lyrics and his brother says, you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: sound like a white boy named Henry. And I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: his other brother even says he's not black. And I'll
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: tell you another story in high school. I'll never forget
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a friend of mine now. I won't name his name
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to call him out. Yeah, it's
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: my people's now. But I remember I said something, and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: he was like, you're not black, are you, Ben?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Sorry for laughing.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: That's super fucking wild.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Super fucking wild. But this is like, You know, so
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: that episode, you know, I mean, this episode hit me
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: in so many ways. But that one truly hit me
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: because at one point I was considered not black by,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you know, people. And like the most hilarious thing about
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: it is this Negro is high yellow to the goddamn sun.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Like my man is pale. You know what I mean?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And he's over here calling me not black. And this
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: is my brother. You know, like I said, I ain't
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: gonna name no names.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Was you pronouncing the E.R. 's and the I.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Wasn't pronouncing the E.R. 's, but I was definitely like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I was raised in a very black hood.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I grew up a dumb nerd, you know, and a
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: dumb theater kid, you know, so I didn't have an accent.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of things like that. I
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was very much, you know, I could like I've told
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I could not snap on beat. I was a rhythmless
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: black boy. It was bad. You know what I mean?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So I couldn't play basketball. There was a lot of things. Like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I just did not, you know, have to. You didn't
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: fit the profile. I didn't fit the profile, you know,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: except when the police saw me. Hey, that's another great story.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: One day I was walking down the street. One night
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I was walking down the street with a bunch of
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: my white friends. All of us. It's like eight, nine
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: of these white boys. We're in high school at this point.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Walking down the block. Cop pulls up, hops out the car,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: shines the light on us and says, is this guy
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: bothering y'all?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I get not fucking funny, but what?
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I just heard a story like that like yesterday.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: This is true story. This Houston text, and we were
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: walking from my man Zev's house to my brother Marcus' house.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: These are my peoples of the day. Zev and Marcus,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I'm tight with to this day. You know what I mean?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: cop it was like eight nine.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Of us right i have to laugh because it's just
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: so incredulous like i know it's real.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I just said is he bothering y'all.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: There's literally been like snl skits about this and it's
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: just like.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: And that's like again when we were going back to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: this whole you know and like we talk about that
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and how john was raised and then the other thing
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that a big part of this episode you know we
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: talk about the fear but it's also love versus fear
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and how his mom brings up and she says,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that's the most, you know, powerful thing we have.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: And so it's, you know, like the line that everybody
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: is quoting is courage is fear that said it's prayers. I,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: I want to just touch on that love topic because
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: that was a bit scary to me.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: It was love.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: And there's a lot of other things when little John,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: when little John said, what?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I think it was saying, what for real? They brought
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: out that costume. That man said, what?
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: That man wanted crayons.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: When young John was having a conversation with his mother
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: late night or early morning, I couldn't tell what it
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: was when she was in the nightgown. And, you know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: they were talking about, you know, she was having that line,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: that line you just said, that now famous line. And
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: she was like, well, you know, we could do the
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: shooting the head, the apple of the head. And he
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: was like, no, I want you. I was just like, oh,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: that's a deep love and that's.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: A deep fear. Man said you should have given me
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: them goddamn crayons.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Like a tinge of fear entered my heart when he
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: said that because i understood why particularly how he had
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: been conditioned from his parents since he was an infant
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: essentially or five years old um you know when they
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: told him you're gonna go out in the world be
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: a pokemon trainer but Again, when we talk about how
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: that trauma affects you, right?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: You as the person you're growing up.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: For him at, what was he, eight or nine years
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: old at that point to say that? And to understand
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: the implications of what he was doing. That's the other part. Like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: as a child, you just don't understand the implications of
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: the things you do and say.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Like, it's just not all the way there. Sometimes you do.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: But there are times when you're so conditioned or you're so...
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: raised or nurtured or not nurtured in certain environments that
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: you start grasping the concepts, the high, high level concepts
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: that probably would never come until like a decade later.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: And that's also particularly what I found scary that he
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: grasped the gravity of what was happening and what was
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: going on and what was at stake. And to be
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: a child that young to have to have that, to
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: have that weight on you, you know, like innocence lost
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: you know your childhood you don't really have a child
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: understand like and just again just to bring it all
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: back to to lanterns and how this is so like
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: you have all this stuff when the guardian was questioning
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: him like you know do you feel a way about
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: your peoples for doing that to you he was just
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: like nah but do you feel a way about how
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: i think he was.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Lying bro got it had to be lying I feel.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Like it's interesting, though, because I feel like... So one
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: thing I wanted to note is that there is this
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: discussion that I've seen on TikTok about how parents decided
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: they wanted to take their kids and homeschool them, but
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: it's not because of any specific.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: They don't have good reasoning behind being homeschooling their kids.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: It's just on some like, well, all this is happening
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: at the school and I don't feel like doing all this. Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to control.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but then people being like, okay, but what
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: do you know about teaching? Like you'll be talking about
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: taking your kids out of school, but who's teaching your kid?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: You don't even have trouble.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Doing their homework with them. So who, how are you
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: teaching them what they need to know in homeschool? Lo
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: and behold, They're keeping John Jr.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Out of school.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: His mother's a whole teacher. She has him homeschooled. The
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: other kids are going to school. So this idea, like
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: we were talking about like us and our experiences going
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: through school or whatever, like this is all in the
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: conditioning of not having him go in life without fear.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: So his interpersonal relationships with his brothers, with his parents,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: even like that suffers because he's too built on not
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: having fear. So of course, whenever he's, Processing like, oh,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I was afraid to shoot my father. He's not afraid
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: to shoot after Bernadette because the relationship she's built with
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: him is completely conditioned for him to look at her
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: a different way. And then, of course, right after she
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: admits to lying to him, that's when he has the
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: ability to be like, my whole full 10-year-old self is
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: ready to do something now. about an apple off of
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: a parent's head, and it's your head, because now I
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: don't see you as this person that is, like, on
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: a pedestal in the way that, like, I've built up of, like,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: not having, because, like, that's one thing parents, like, I've
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: talked about this in another episode, where it's really weird
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: growing up with, like, as a Black child, where your
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: parents are, like, They kind of instill a level of like,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: you need to have fear for the world because there
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: are things that are going to happen to you. And
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: also like try to translate that fear through themselves, like
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: giving you punishments, like those kinds of things. But at
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: the same time, pushing you to not fear in some ways.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: And it's like this weird dichotomy. And it's like, how
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: does that make sense? I don't know how to, like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: it's really hard to make sense of it. But here's
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Junior being told his whole life to not fear. When
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: he's in the car, his brothers say, are you going
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: to always be afraid of them? And that's, again, another,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: just like, he's afraid of his parents. So in that
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: moment where he's like, It's you. I can shoot the
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: apple off of you. That, like, I can tell.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Like, you can tell Bernadette is, like, taking it back.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I, for a minute, whenever she's
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: sitting out there with the apple on her head, I
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: could have sworn she was, like, there were tears coming out.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Of her eyes.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: She was angry.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: She was scared.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was scared.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: And he did not blink.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: He shot that apple off her head.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: So his father was standing there quietly, not having any
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: major emotions showing. But when his mom is there shaking, crying,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: he's ready to take the apple. So it's just an
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: interesting difference in what he's... He's trained to be a sniper.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: We see him... I called it his lion's mane. Like
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: by the time he has like been sitting there for
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: nine months and he's like, he looks like Mufasa, like it's,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: and he's like ready to shoot. That's Mufasa. That's what
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I felt like when I saw him in that like
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: little crouch, I was like, okay, he's Mufasa-ing, but he's
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: able to Mufasa it to, and to that extent, because
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: he's his greatest fear is, was conquered at 10 years old.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: A shaking, crying, emotional mom that he's never seen before.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Like it's, that was a lot to get over. And like,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: what is that? Like five seconds of shooting? Like that's
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: That's like when Antoine Fisher was like, nah, you're not.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Beating me no more.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: But like, can you imagine going through that, right? Conquering fear,
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: sitting and waiting for a target for nine months and
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: And this space white man just comes and steals your moment.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: That's a bubble around your target while you're ready to
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: let that trigger go.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: When I saw that scene, I said, this is the
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: privilege right there!
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Right there!
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: This episode formalized and legitimized and made everything, all the
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: stuff that people think we're making fun of, or the
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: things people think we're exaggerating about, rather. The things people say, oh,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: it's not that bad or that. This episode literally made
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: it real.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Look!
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: This is a physical manifestation of what the fuck happens.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: The privilege, though, too, is that he found out about
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: this from being at a strip club. It wasn't like
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: he was part of the defense team. There was no
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: strategy or nothing like that. That's the ultimate form of privilege.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I can get top military intel from just being at
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: a strip club and then deciding that I'm going to
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: do something about it. And then what are they going
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: to do? Even the guardian was like, we told him
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: not to do it, but I guess he's going to
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: find his replacement now. No ramifications, nothing directly, just a
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: slap on the wrist. If he were a Black man, though...
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: It was nothing special about it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: No, the Black man did suffer.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: But the Black man did suffer.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: He did suffer. It's not even if he does suffer.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: He gets dishonorably discharged for Hal's actions.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: He gets dishonorably discharged for following the orders he was given.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: For following the orders.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: And, Ben, it really likened me to what you just
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: said about the whole getting pulled over or getting stopped
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: by the police and you're the one to ask, what
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: did you do? Like, he had nothing to do with this.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: He was collateral damage and took the fall.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Just like the acres of land that the Russians are
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: mad about.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: That.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: 300 acres is nothing to think about.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: The land was more important than John.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: And even when we talk about the privilege again, Hal's
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: privileged walking into their home. And, you know, not to
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: say like he just busted in like the Kool-Aid man,
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: but Hal's privileged walking into their home saying, hey, do
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: you guys call him Junior?
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And they're like, no, he's John.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: And he calls him Junior anyway and proceeds to fucking
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: just keep doing it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Now, again, people will say, oh, that's just how Hal is.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: You know, he's a kooky guy. That is privilege in
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: front of your face.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: No.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: No, it's pushing buttons.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Again, this is what I'm saying about the literal manifestation
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: of white privilege.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: It's right there. They're literally doing it.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: And that's what's the coldest thing about all of this
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: when we talk about racist stuff. It is right in
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: your face. People sat there and watched Strange Fruit hang
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: in their faces and still, it didn't fucking matter.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: They had picnics.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: They had picnics and postcards for Strange Fruit.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: And for people who don't get it, I need y'all
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: to watch that scene again and remove the comedic lens
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: from it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Just for a second. Watch that again. And again, I'm
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: going to tell another story once again. Shout out to
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: my brother, Zev. He's going to be mad. And shout
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: out to his dad, rest in peace.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Does that be on this show more than he realizes?
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: No, he listens all the time, so he knows. Shout
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: out to Drew, everyone, all my brothers who listen. But
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Zev and his dad, Louis, rest in peace, definitely raised
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: me almost as much as my own father. I think
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: of all the lessons I learned from him so much.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: But one day we're all watching Terminator together as kids.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I'm kids, and obviously Louis is his dad. And at
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: one point, the black police officer shows up, the only
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: black person, I think, in the first Terminator movie. And Mr.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Blute turns to me and is like, oh, there you go, Ben.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I look nothing like this Negro, first of all. You
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Dark-skinned brother in the movie. Five
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: minutes later, the brother gets killed. Oh, dang, Ben.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Did he mean in the representation kind of way?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: What did he mean by that?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, he meant there's the one black person in this movie,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: so that must be the black kid that I know.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I can tell stories upon stories about Zev's father. Like
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I said, I love him, but you know, there was
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of blind spots. And like I even said
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: on the show, when that man walked in and said,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Midwest hubstables is the type of shit that a white
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: person will say when they said they voted for Obama
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: three times. Like it is, you know, that was all
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the white people I grew up around. You know, it's
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that same type of thing. It's like, there you are, Ben,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you know, even though you look nothing like this Negro,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: you know, even though the only black people I know
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: are the hubstables. So this good family has got to
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: be the hubstables.
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just, it's the get out whites.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: It's the get out whites. I grew up around the
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: get out whites. I love them all to this day,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: but not all of them. The majority of them, but yeah.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I grew up around them. It's exhausting.
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: I think it's rough because we call that microaggression. But
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: it's so macro. It's very much in your face.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: It's so in your face.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: I was offended by the hustle comments. I was offended
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: by the junior. I was offended by all that shit.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but also let's say, let's call a spade a spade.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Him saying junior is like calling him boy. It's just
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: like all the white men saying boy.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Right when your dad says, we don't call him that,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and you say it again.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: You call him boy.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: He said it 50 times.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Man, my dad would have been a punching Hal Jordan
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: in the mouth, boy. Like, shit. Don't call my son
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: out his name in front of me. Like, nah, uh-uh.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: And then and then all and all of it is
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: an act right because we know this is 2016 how
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: so you know he's being all cheery and shit we're
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: just like what's going on he comes out immediately removes
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: the mask and it's just like fuck you you ain't
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: taking this ring so but i want to say i do.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Want to note too that i feel like white folks
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: like to say this thing where they're like it's not
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: racism and whatever it's just how it like they because
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: i'm the lens of like the OG whites, the British whites, right?
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: And they're like their press and how they just like,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: they hark crazy on everybody. They talk crazy about all
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: these white folks in the press all the time. But
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: whenever there's a Black person, that's when the race comes in.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: And that's i.e. the Meghan Markle of it all. But
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: then they're like, well, y'all can't take a joke, y'all
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: can't take a whatever, because they do go crazy on everybody.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: But when race comes into play, and y'all are the
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: ones who created racism in the first place, and you
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: know that, like, there's power behind y'all using racism against folks,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: and y'all don't care, you just want to invoke it,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: it's not the same thing. Stop trying to equivocate being
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: racist with calling someone the C word. I'm not trying
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: to get the video flagged. Or... saying all this other
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: like bullshit, like a gossip mess or whatever, calling someone
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: all kinds of things out of their name. That is
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: not the same. They love to equivocate. And it's like,
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: they love to just like, or try to make these
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: stories about like, oh, it's all the same. It's not.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: And so what I'm saying, he's calling him boy, like
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: that has terms all the way through the diaspora. I
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: can speak for the Southern lens of that and like
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: the American lens of that, but like that, it goes
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: so far. So for Hal to be like, he's pissy
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: because he knows that he's getting out of his position. Sure.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: But you don't invoke racism to talk about how you're
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: pissed off about something that he, that John jr. Don't
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: got no power over. You're over here using racism against
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: someone who ain't got no power in the first place. Cause,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and that shows how much power you have that you
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: can use racism over him. Like that's an, What's not clicking?
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: What is, that's not fun times. That's just not for
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: the jollies. That's like legit bullshit.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Like, so it's not the same thing.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: The fact that you can weaponize racism at all is
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: because of your privilege. It's literally designed so only you
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: can use it. That's how racism works, guys. Black people
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: in America can't be racist towards the whites, guys.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: You can be bigots.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: We can, you know, be prejudiced, but we're not racist
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: towards the white. Racist requires a system where you are
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: in fact in power.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: We don't have that.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: The more you know.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Real quick, because we have not said her name, I
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to Jasmine Cephas Jones,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: who plays Bernadette. You know, put her up for the Emmy. Already,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: you know, best actress right there. Needs it. Just incredible work.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And they're also the daughter of Ron Cephas Jones, rest
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: in peace, who is famous for his role on This
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Is Us. He was also on Luke Cage.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: He came back sunny.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: You know? Incredible actor, incredible family of actors, and Jasmine
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: is carrying on that tradition, you know, shining light. Just,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, just stunning work in this episode. And one
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: of my favorite moments is, like, it's so wild because
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: she sits there, like, we talked about how when he's
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: ready to shoot the apple off her head, It's because
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: all his life, this woman has said, yo, them birds,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: them birds, you know? And then when he shook, she's like, oh,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I guess the birds were lying. Or I guess the
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: birds weren't lying.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's also talking shit to Senior, too.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Like, that was the craziest thing to me.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: No, that was a crazy moment because she also says,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: that fear is contagious, you bitch. You know what I mean?
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Shook-ass nigga, you know? And then turns around and tells
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: this kid... Tells this kid, oh, guess what? I was
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: lying about the birds. After saying, you know, guess the.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Birds weren't lying. Oh, I was lying about the birds.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that funny? It was a little bit crazy of them.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, you looked at a five-year-old, look at each
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: other and said.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: He's old enough to know that he's Jesus.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: As the father of a five-year-old, that is probably the
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: craziest part of the episode.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Monica, are you dead? My nephew is not ready to
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: know he's Jesus. That man is so like.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: You're not even ready to know that you're going to
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: be seven years old one day.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Let alone. Is it just me?
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I think they kind of did that because of the
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: older kids. Like, I think what they were doing was like,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: yeah like they were already showing a difference and because
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: that's what they mentioned at that point like we know
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: that we treat you differently we know that you have
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: a different room from your brothers they're explaining to they're
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: using they're telling him now at five because they want
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: to explain to the older kids he's not on the
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: same journey and they can't keep up this like.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Take them older niggas into the room and tell them
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: that shit.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: I was fully ready.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: You could talk them out for cheeseburgers and be like,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: by the way, we.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Don't really fuck with you little niggas because your brother's
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: the promised one.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Just so you're aware.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: In a better household, they would see that that's not favoritism.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Being treated that way is not actually a good thing.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: It is a level of favoritism. There's a quote reason
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: behind it, but it's still favoritism. You are Neo, you
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: are the one. There is still a level of favoritism there.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: And you can argue about, well, what favoritism means to
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: you from a subjective standpoint, but it's still you're favoring
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: someone else because of a goal or area you're trying
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: to push them to. There's things you're doing with that
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: one that you're not doing with the others. Whether or
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: not it's good stuff you're doing kind of doesn't matter.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: It's just a level of favoritism.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: My dad treated me and my sister completely a thousand
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: percent differently, boy. Like, man, when he passed, rest in
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: peace again, like my sister told stories, I was like,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: You know, and so they never explained that shit. No,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: there's no need for that.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: They could have sidebarred that.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: My dad beat my ass. You know, he didn't touch her. Like,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: you know, it was no explaining that.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: You're right, Portia, about like explaining, but damn, did they
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: have to do it that way?
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. That was the worst explanation ever. Like,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: take these dudes in the other room if you're explaining
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: it to them and don't tell the five-year-old. Like, Jesus.
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: I was ready for his brothers to like sell him
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: into slavery like Joseph, but I realized they would not.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Because they actually liked their life. Yes, they had a
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: good life.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the brothers loved each other. You can't listen
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: to OutKast?
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: I will say what I did like was the brothers
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: still loved each other. Now, you did see that and
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: you saw it also at the very first episode. Like,
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: there was a tinge of like... camaraderie there was camaraderie
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: but there was also I don't want to say jealousy
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: but there was also a tinge of one of the
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: brothers was very yeah was kind of always looking at
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: him like I don't really rock with this little nigga
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: like it was something and understandably because that's because of
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: the treatment of the parents to John versus them so
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: that's what I'm saying there is favoritism but again, just
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: maybe done in the wrong way.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, they got to have pillow fights in their room,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: and John's just walking by. He's walking back from walking
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: in the bad neighborhood back home, and his brothers are
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: just pillow fighting, not paying him any mind. His mother's
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: just sitting there like, do you want a pork chop? Like, that's...
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: The difference in fun and childhood. Oh, my God.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Left that man in South Central and was like, hey,
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: it's a pork chop in the microwave, dog. Ain't even
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: warming up for him. It ain't even fresh. Oh, my God.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: You got to listen to Outkast through the wall. That
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: alone is like, oof. My life is real.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: It reminds me just of very, like, when you, like,
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: if you grow up like a preacher's kid and, you know,
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: you can't listen to nothing secular, can't do nothing secular,
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: but you know about it, right? Because you sneak in
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: on the side like that. That has, you know, extreme
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: approaches to it as well. So, again, we talked about obsession,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: being crazy. This reminds me of religion, too. Like, it's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: all looped in. There's all pieces of it all together. That's,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: you know, their religion was you're going to be the lantern.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: The fact that this touched on so much of the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: Black experience in 59 minutes is, like, insane to me.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: And... No, I mean, so many levels, like just, you know,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: we've talked about the, you know, the non-Blackness, you know,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: we talked about, which I think is such a powerful
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: idea that we touched on is the fact that Black
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: parents have to raise their kids with love, but also
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: with fear. You know, it's such a weird dichotomy that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: we have to grow up in. Like, my parents definitely
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: told me I can be anything and do anything I
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: want to be. But then, you know, they beat the living,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: you know, my dad definitely, you know, would put them
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: hands on me and be like, yo, you got to,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: you know, watch out for everything, you know, because everything's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: out to get you. And he wasn't wrong. You know,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: and it's one of those tough things that it's just
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: like it's impossible to live with. But, you know, we
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: deal with it. A couple of things that I did
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: want to touch on, though, because. Like, you know, we
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: touched on all the blackness of it, but some of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: the real nerdiness of it. There have been, you know,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: and I love it. People are all over the place with,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: you know, their ideas and theories about what this or
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: that could be. And the whole shot of the man,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: not the man, of the Guardian actually revealing itself to Bernadette.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: People had all kinds of things. I did not know
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: that just because it had the cross on the back,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: people thought that was actually the Martian Manhunter.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Martian Manhunter?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: That was, I didn't realize that's why they were making
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: that connection. That is so hilarious to me. And so
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I'm happy that this show is quickly revealing things where
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, no, the Martian Manhunter is probably not
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: in this series. We probably won't see the white and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: green Martians or any of that sort. Whether or not
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: we see the red lanterns or even like the precursor
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: to them up is still up in the air at
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: this point. But the story that they're telling on this
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: show is such perfection that I'm not mad at it.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: There were a couple little Easter eggs in this episode,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: like when John is walking through the mall on the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: way to meet the Guardian, we see the ad for
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Janice Cosmetics in the back, which is owned by the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: guy who is the Black Mask, and the woman in
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: the ad has half the Black Mask on, and that's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: going to turn up again in Clayface. So, you know,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: it's like we're seeing how the DC universe is connected.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: And I loved when Jon meets the first dude, who
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I guess is a guardian as well, who gives him
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: the ring. Seeing Jon make the watch from the inside
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: out was just so Jon Stewart. You know, that was
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: just like, I love that little touch of detail they gave.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: And it also looked like the dude dropped a boom
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: tube on the floor when Jon stepped through it. So
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: all these little, you know, comic touches I love. But
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: that ring coming, I mean, the watch coming together was
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: such Jon Stewart and like how Vanessa talked about the writers.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: They wanted to give that aspect of John where he
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: is like the architect, the artist that we all get
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: to see from the comics to bring that into his story.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I thought that was perfectly well done. And John had...
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: It was such a sad touch to me because my
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: man had drawings of birds on his door.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everywhere.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: God damn it, boy. And this mom was lying to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: him the whole time.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: I have a question about... Is it normal for Lanterns
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: to touch a ring that isn't their ring?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Is there any consequence? Like, when they have him do that, like.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: He's not.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: A Lantern yet, and I don't think it's really an issue, right? BJ,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: as far as I know, like, Lanterns betraying rings, grabbing rings,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: stealing rings. Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: No, because it's trying to, like, throw his hammer, like,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: You know, once you're worthy of it, you know, they'll
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: pass it along.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: You know. You said trading rings. So, he'd be stacking rings, too? Like,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: can you have all the colors of the rainbow in
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: one go?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Well, Kyle Jordan, you know.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: Definitely stole everybody's ring.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: So, you're saying his pocket dimension is actually a big
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: vault for all the thievery that he's been doing across
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: the universe.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: It could be.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: He was, like, having a planet with the rings?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: That is a storyline. Like right before Hal goes evil,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: he goes evil.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: Basically kills all the lanterns, collects their rings. Each ring
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: makes him more powerful.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: So the ultimate white privilege is what you're saying. The
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: colonialism that's taken the trophies.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: You're not wrong.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I said it on the recap last night.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of people don't realize what an asshole Al
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Jordan is. So how Jordan be a pure asshole on
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: this show was like, yeah, that's about right.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: And I didn't realize, and you know, I looked it
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: up afterwards, but that gray wolf character, the one that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: homeboy unfortunately sat for for nine months is actually a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: real canon character. Um, protector of Kazbek installed by Lex
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: Luthor himself.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: So the area that he was in, it got something
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: to do with Lex. He's involved.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: So I did not know that about it. But yeah, Ben,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: I like the items you touched on, especially about the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: whole watch thing. Cause the fact that he's supposed to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: look at things from the inside out and the inner
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: workings of it and the intricacies of it. which is
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: why I'm also like when I go back to the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: very first episode I'm like so then why did you
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: talk to the cop and told him that that was
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: a if you looked at things so like carefully like
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: why did you make that mistake but whatever we're here
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: now because.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: He's also arrogant he's also everything else you know that's
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: the thing and that was something else I wanted to
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: touch on because John even though he's told in this
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: episode yo you're gonna you know would you be willing
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: to take Hal out everything in the first episode he
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't go to the Guardians, you know, immediately. Like, he
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: disobeys them as well. Like, he does show loyalty to Hal. Yes. So, somewhat,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: instead of just immediately reporting him and be like, okay,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: now it's my turn for the ring.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: He has a level. He's still a man of honor,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: if so, right? Like, it's... It's, again, the humanistic approach
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: to character building, right? Like, everyone's complicated. Nobody's black and white.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: There are shades of gray everywhere. And that's what makes
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: the character interesting. He's not like a full Boy Scout, right? Like,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: there's clearly sins and failures on his part.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: I think that he does. But whenever you were saying
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: earlier that he has black and white thinking, like in
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: previous episodes, I think he does display that whenever he's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: talking to the Guardian and he's asking her, like, is
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: that an order? And he says, well, if you became
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: a guardian, I mean, the Lantern, you would, that would
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: be in an order. So I think his frame of
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: mind is, if it's an order, I'm going to do
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: the order. If it's not an order, then I have, like,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: more fruit rain to do about it the way I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: want to do it. But if it's a direct order,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to disobey a direct order.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: True indeed. Yeah.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Laura Linney, who plays Liana, the guardian.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: Another.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: you know, huge actor, um, Marty Bird's wife. If you watched, uh, what?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: Ozark. If you watch Ozark.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Also the Truman show. Oh, shit.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Truman's wife.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: I do like her as Leanna. I like how she
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: portrays that character. It's clear, like, it's certain tics and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: things she does where it's just like, okay, you're not
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: from here, right? And, you know, and even her being
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: expressed and told by Bernadette.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: About, like, do you know what you did?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: Like, do you know the mess you put us in
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: by doing this and doing this to a Black man?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: And she's just like, Nah, I didn't realize that. Like,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: it's kind of like a haze over her face. But
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: it makes sense, right? And I appreciated how she did
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: that acting.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: She was like, ah, cool, yeah, yeah, whatever.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Because of your brown skin.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Your damn fucking diamond.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Brown skin?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: OK, but it makes sense.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: So for someone who's just not of this planet and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: not of this construct of this world. So and also
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: that whole conversation she had with John just about when
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: John was like, you don't know what it's like to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: have a family, what it means. You know, she said
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: when they're born, they're born singular and they don't they
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: don't have the same type of social situation.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting as well.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: And that was also very interesting because John says you
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: can't explain family to someone who doesn't have one. And
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: it's also interesting because I related to John so much
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: in that scene because he's like, this is my family.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: And that's the same thing. It's like, you know, like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I said, my dad was a wild out boy, et cetera.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: That's still my father, you know, and I love him
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: forever because he raised me and did everything else. And
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: it's like family. We don't get to choose them, you know,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: but they're still our family, you know, no matter what.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: And in a lot of cases, they are the ones
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: who mess you up, but they're still going to be
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: your family.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: I love that whenever he whenever the guardian asked him
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: if he's gonna miss them and he said he lived
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: with him for 18 years and he grew up missing
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: them and i'm like that's the realest words that's been
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: spoke on family this whole that really.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Did hurt i can relate yeah I.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: Just cannot believe that man sat there for nine months
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: just for the white man to come down and swoop.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: The prize right out from under him.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: On a whim.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: On a whim. Drunkenly.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: And on some like real casual shit.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, you need me to come get this?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Which, it's just like, god damn. Literally no one asked him. Like,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: he just heard it, and then he just did. Like,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: nobody asked him to do that. I think it's, I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: also think it's interesting, like, whenever he says he doesn't
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: like cheeseburgers, whenever he shoots the apple off his arm,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I'm like, is that, because it's like, it's now become
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: negative reinforcement. Like, when he was younger, before he started
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: doing it, did he like cheeseburgers? Like, that actually surprised me.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: Over time, he's like, and why the man's a vegan
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: now yes a.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Goddamn cheeseburger off because I got an apple shot off
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: my head like fuck a cheeseburger I never wanted one
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: of them again like you think I want my dad
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: to shoot this apple off my head day after day
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: no I'm doing this because y'all told me I was
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: space Jesus Like, I'm just as crazy as the rest
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: of y'all at this point. Like, we all, you know,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: we all in this. The two brothers are probably, I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: really want to see how they do it.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: I want to see, I do want to see that dynamic.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: I will say that just, especially the eldest one where
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: I said, like, you could tell there's some hints of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: concern there between their relationship and understandably, but I would
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: love to see what it's like now and what are
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: they doing and how have they been deeply affected by
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: all of this wildness going on in their household.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I see a, I see an orange or a red
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: ring on one of their future boys. Oh, one of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: the things or jealousy.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: One of the things that was shown in the after
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: show that I don't remember being part of the regular show,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: and I was like, I just don't remember it, was
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: that his mom, Bernadette, tells John Jr. that one day
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: all the little boys are going to want to be
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: just like him. And I wonder how much that plays
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: in his head when he thinks about his brothers and, like,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: why he's chosen his path. And he's like, even if
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: they don't mess with me, other little boys will want
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: to be like me, just like I wanted to be
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: like Hal. And, like, if that's the thing that keeps
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: him on the road or whatever. Yeah.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: On that note, because it's like one, he's gender impressed
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: little black boys and someone asked when we were doing
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: a live chat last night, they asked, do you think
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: that John loves black people? And I don't think so. One,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: because his mom says you ain't got time to love
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: anyone pretty much.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: What is he being socialized around other black folks?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: That part.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Besides his own family.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: That part. And they don't see him, you know, his
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: brothers don't see him as black. Besides telling him.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think he's one of those I don't
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: see race people? I, yes.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: And I think it's also, like I said before, that
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: military part is also going into that where he's just,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you know, dehumanized to the point where he doesn't see anything.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it's just numbers. Yeah. Targets. Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Like you said, I don't want to know the man.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I just need to know the mission. Cause it's not,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not a human to me. It's just,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: you know, an objective to be done. So I don't
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: think he sees a lot of like, John is touched.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: But to name this episode Outkast, like, after the band,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: and to needle drop A.T. Aliens and Gasoline Dreams, like,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: that is, there's so many layers in that. And, like,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: I get into the line about, like, one day, like,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: little boys are going to want to be just like you. Like,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: that's what Outkast has heard so much of their lives.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: And I remember, like.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Under 2000 drop in like the thought that like he
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't like the idea that people look up to him
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: like in party the beyonce song he's like people like
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: kiddos say he looks up to me that just makes
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: me feel old like he like that was never a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: dynamic that he wanted to cultivate in his brain and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: yet it's true so i wonder if that's going to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: become part of like junior's journey too it's like and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: at one part in his life he probably cared that
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: other kids would probably look up to him and so
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: by the time maybe we get 2026 he's not going
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: to want that dynamic.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: Anymore I mean, at this point, the pursuit of the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: lantern ring is so personal. Yes. Like, John views it
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: as his birthright. Yes.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: I don't even know if it's, like, if there's anything
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: that even really processes, like, how other people might feel
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: about him getting that.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Mm.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: And how he just processes how he moves about the world. Like,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: that's a fantastic choice of words because it's literal.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: That is his birthright.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: He was an infant when this shit first went down.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: And then he, you know, it still was when they said,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: when they passed the maybes on him, because they spoke
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: very tentatively. Portia pointed that out very, very particularly. Like,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: you could be a candidate. Like, you got to be
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: careful when people tell you things and the words that
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: they use. Be very precise in the words that they
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: use because... They didn't say you was going to get it.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: It might be.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: And when we talk about that pursuit of the maybe, right?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: It's hard enough just as a human. But then as
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: a Black man?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: To be alien-level ready candidate. Like, that was even the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: possibility that they knew of before the whole Hal situation. So, like,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: this is the first time ever... in human life that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: they this is part of written memory that they notice
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: it's a possibility and suddenly they're gonna thrust it onto
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: an infant little black.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: Boy which is wild and by the time john gets
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: in this position there's already been hal and guy gardner
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: yep yep like so what must it mean to him
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: to like finally have this opportunity and the fact that
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: he still has to interview for it like that's crazy.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: And there was a guy in there before him. Someone's
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: coming out the door. Yeah.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Everyone has already tried to make into Kyle Rayner, who
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: is another Greenlander. It's not Kyle, folks. Don't do this.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Everyone on this show does not have to be connected
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: to the lore. But it is, yeah, it is interesting,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: because where is Guy? Because I thought we were going
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: to see Guy in this episode, but we still haven't
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: seen Guy.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: We're going to see him.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: And so when does Guy get his ring, right? Because
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: is it before that interview that John goes on? It
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: has to be, right? I would think so. It has
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: to be, right? Because that's, yeah, like, it pretty much
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: has to be.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Is there, like, an age limit on it? It's not
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: like you're a president. It's not like you got to be, like,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: 35 before you can be pregnant.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. So... And Guy is way out
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: in the public. So John definitely knows about Guy. So
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: he's feeling passed over twice at this point, if that
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: is the case. Oof.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Anything else before we get out of here?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: Um i could do the rainbow and the message this
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: is why black people are important.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Like the odysseus and mirror what would you like your rainbow.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: To say yeah yeah yeah yeah this.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Is why black people are important.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: Um i i listen i i again just kudos to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: vanessa bait and kelly and that the whole team for
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: even pulling this out of their like y'all The fact
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: that this was on, I think you said it really good, BJ,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: in the beginning. The fact that this is on primetime, HBO,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: 9 p.m. Sunday, which means it becomes water cooler conversation
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: the next day.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: And perhaps for the full week, it is food for us.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Delicious fucking food for us. And it's... Go ahead, Ben.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: You about to say it. Go ahead. It's a much
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: bigger hit than even Watchmen was, than now, than House
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: of Dragon. But to be a bigger hit than things
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: like Watchmen and or you know, shows that I considered,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: you know, hitting all these topics, but to hit them
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: on a show that's bigger than House of Dragon is
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: fucking crazy.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: Insanity. And it really matters. This is the representation I'm
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: talking about. And again, it doesn't necessarily have to be
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: overt like, you know, all my life I had to fight,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: but the layers of it and the humanity behind it
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: and the storytelling behind it and the intricacies behind it, like,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: for a show to be able to do this, you know?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: And I just really hope, even if you're not Black,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: that you really dig into this and learn about what's
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: going on and the underlying expression of what's being said,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: what's being shown on the screen. And the stuff we're
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: telling you, that's why we do this podcast. So you're like, bro,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: there's another layer that you missed. There's another plane of existence, right?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: There's another universe out there.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm just.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: Like, this was a powerful episode for me. I'm just
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  Speaker 5: really pleased about it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm interested to see if, like, part of what we
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  Speaker 3: discussed when we were telling all of our stories, like,
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  Speaker 3: because John, we just discussed how John Jr. probably is
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  Speaker 3: not going to be someone who, like, his parents expressed
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  Speaker 3: things about race, but he's probably not going to express
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  Speaker 3: that much about race. if part of his journey is
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  Speaker 3: going to be about recognizing that assimilation is never going
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  Speaker 3: to save him, like trying to be what has occurred
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  Speaker 3: before is not, was going to be his saving grace
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  Speaker 3: when he goes on his journey to become a lantern.
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  Speaker 3: Like that could be, I feel like that could be
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  Speaker 3: a very interesting journey for us to see the season.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Sinestro says something that I'm going to connect to that
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  Speaker 5: point where he says, well, he has no fear, so
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  Speaker 5: he could be easily controlled. And that just reminds me
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  Speaker 5: of the point about assimilation and, and, and, If you're
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: just going on the party lines, right? You're just doing
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  Speaker 5: it by the book. You can easily be swayed. You
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  Speaker 5: can easily be turned around and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So that is going to be a huge factor and
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  Speaker 5: absolutely something that he's going to have to overcome.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Facts.
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  Speaker 6: Nah, because that will start another episode when we give
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  Speaker 6: him my opinion. So I want to echo what you said, Tatiana,
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  Speaker 6: just about Vanessa Bade and Kelly.
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  Speaker 4: I brought up this magazine.
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  Speaker 6: This is a back issue number eight, but it has
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  Speaker 6: inside Neil Adams, who's the co-creator of Greenland or Jon
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  Speaker 6: Stewart talking about, you know, how very deliberately Jon Stewart
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  Speaker 6: was created. Like at first his name was going to
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  Speaker 6: be Lincoln Washington. And they were like, trying to put
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: like thin lips on him like and he was just
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: very adamant Neil Adams this white man was very adamant
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  Speaker 6: that like no he needs to have like big full
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: lips he needs to look like Sidney Poitier like even
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  Speaker 6: down to like the color codes on like what his
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: skin should look like like there's that level of detail
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  Speaker 6: that went into his creation and it was that it was,
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  Speaker 6: he was made so intentionally black, even in his first
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  Speaker 6: appearance where he like refuses to wear a mask. Like, nah,
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  Speaker 6: this man, this black man likes to be out and proud.
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  Speaker 6: Like we were doing this, right? Like I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 6: a representation. But so for an idea as black as
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: Jon Stewart to then come into the hands of Kyra
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  Speaker 6: Rockmore of all people and for her to elevate this
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  Speaker 6: man's backstory the way she has, like, I am fully
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  Speaker 6: ready to go out and buy a lantern ring, like,
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  Speaker 6: and just go full Jon Stewart all day.
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  Speaker 4: Like, amazing, amazing work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said that. We always talk about this on
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  Speaker 1: Fallen Nerds, how we have a basic biatch costume of
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  Speaker 1: the year at all the Comic-Cons we go to. And
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  Speaker 1: it is going to be Lantern City, boy! You're going
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: to see every color, every different variation of lanterns. Oh,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: my God. Look, I was already looking up the Green
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  Speaker 1: Lantern ring, the official one from DC Comics. I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: about it. I'm not going to lie right now. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm all in.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody dropped it in my replies. It's like 70 bucks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I know.
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  Speaker 3: That's the price you pay to become a Lantern Corps member.
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  Speaker 1: It's beautiful, too. It's really beautiful. I might have to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: All right. BJ, please let the people know where they
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