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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP16 - Catholicism To Heathenry w/ Special Guest Patrick Walsh · Random Heathen Ramblings

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gotta kind of fun episode lined up today i'm going to be joined
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i've met actually through my channel more or less and this
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very talented artist also i might add but he does it mainly
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just for fun really nice guys name is patrick and we're going
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to be you know just chit chatting back and forth but no
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real strong agenda lined up today but we are going to of
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course include the random homel discussion towards the end of
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the episode they always like to have you know those types of
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things with other people on the channel the last episode we did
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was with my good friend richard and which was neat because
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things don't necessarily adopt a the exact worldview that i
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patrick is a pagan uhm like i said before he he kind of was
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introduced to me through my channel one of my youtube videos
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it was the how to perform a basic heathen ritual or
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something like that that video is going to be annotated up in
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the podcast episode here for the link to that video that was the
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video that kind of introduced patrick to midgard musings and
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ever since then he's you know we we've developed a friendship
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long distance friendship you know me being where i am and he
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being where he is there's we are states apart but he has
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definitely been a really big supporter shows up to a lot of
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the live streams UM is always commenting on stuff really great
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guy so we're just going to have you know pretty you know just
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random discussions see where the see where the discussion leads
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us as it were you know and then have the health model discussion
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everybody it's jesse with midgard musings here on the
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listening and as i mentioned briefly in the intro i've got a
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good friend here first time guest of the podcast but a
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longtime supporter i would say uhm of midgard musings in
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general so his name is patrick and i would like for you patrick
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if you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself to the
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listeners out there so thank you so much first of all for joining
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and welcome that was an honor and pleasure jesse and yes this
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is our patrick walsh shop been found jesse for gosh a little
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over a year now and it's a thing quite a journey indeed yeah i
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did mention earlier before you joined here patrick that our our
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friendship kind of blossomed or started with your supporting
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midgard musings and i think maybe you can correct me if i'm
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wrong but i'm pretty sure that the video that you discovered i
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actually you know we we've talked about it in passing but
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like you you've discovered midgard music through through
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you tube video right that is exactly correct yeah and so i
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know you mentioned that video of to me like hey this is kind of
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where everything started you know like this is where i like i
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found out about you and where we kind of developed our friendship
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from but i would love if you wouldn't mind sharing for myself
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and for everybody listening on what that video was about what
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the video was and why did it stand out to you so much like
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what kind of made it so yeah i would love to so yeah it's just
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around the time is right before i went to go see hailong in
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person but a little bit before that is i got a reintroduced
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myself into the heathen path and it was a of course i saw fit by
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fate or whatever you choose to call it but anyways so naturally
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when i'm trying to look for information or wisdom i go to
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youtube and just you know went about various different channels
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and then i came across your channel and at first glance and
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first impression is i see this man i'm like this is a relatable
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and approachable person and i like to think i'm a good judge
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of character and always above all you trust your gut and you
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know i believe that first impressions are most definitely
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and most lasting impression OK like appreciate that kind of
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feedback absolutely it's a start from there you know i just i saw
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the the video referring to you know going about a ritual and i
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can't explain enough how infuriating infuriating is to
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get so many different sources you feel kind of lost in like a
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maze like i don't know where to start where to go but your video
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is very hands on and very you know easy to approach and to
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follow great and that was the one for a like how to perform a
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basic heathen ritual i think right that's right yeah yeah
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which i'll i'll link that video for anybody interested who
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hasn't seen it yet that's listening it'll be in the show
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notes of the podcast so you know while you're listening i you
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know just be sure to head to the show notes and uh and check it
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out and see if you know anybody listening here that's wants to
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maybe get a point of view from just one pagan two to others you
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know i've talked about it enough in my videos in my podcast like
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my general approach to this path is being strongly rooted in
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historical information but i am a pagan that lives in modern
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times we are all living in modern times and i feel that
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there's a place for the historical stuff and there's
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also a place for growth in the modern day too develop our own
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traditions and develop our own ways of doing things that fit
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into the style of who we are how we practice what kind of heathen
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we are you know but i'm glad to hear that you know patrick the
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video resonated with you and sparked a a friendship i don't
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get that very often not that i look for it but you know when
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people relate to the content that i put out in whatever way
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like that's kind of what we've always want you know like we
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want to see that the information that we're sharing first of all
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is enjoyable and that it's a useful right 'cause i know when
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i first came to and when i first came to heathenry i was a bit
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lost i didn't have anybody to kind of teach me or or show me
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what to do or how to do it and so much of uh so much of the
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audience that comes to heathenry comes from other backgrounds i
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don't know if you're one of those types or even care to talk
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about it like did you come into heathenry from a totally
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different view of life or the world or you know would it you
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know it's if you want to talk about like what your previous
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religious views were that's fine if you don't that's OK too
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certainly i came from a very strong you know rooted christian
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background so re learning or not even re learning it was like a
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reprogramming almost right like you have to skip your thoughts
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on on so many things what was it like for you and if you want to
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if you care to talk about that go right ahead absolutely yeah
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so i was raised in you know baptized as a roman catholic and
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uh i i know there are a lot of divino right for me though being
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born with this birth defect come i it away felt very grateful and
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blessed at that time because i was in a close knit neighborhood
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and community where my family and my friends were one the same
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a lot like things are now which is kind of strange but it was
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very important for me to be in that kind of environment and it
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suited me well and it suited his purpose and then from there as i
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went to the teenage years i began to explore and go down
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various paths and i'll never forget when i first really found
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you know norse paganism unfortunately it didn't last
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much time to kind of fleet up my mind at the time 'cause there's
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so many things going on and then i kind of fast forward that
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until about two years ago or so is but i really started to
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really take that path seriously rather than dabbling like i've
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done through various different beliefs of my past so that's
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really uh i think you know it out of all the people that i've
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whether become friends with or have had some sort of connection
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with whether it be through the channel or through mutual
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friends i don't know of anybody off the top of my head that i
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can say for sure came into heathenry from solecism uhm and
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it's an interesting topic to me i don't know if you've ever
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thought about this or have had any similar discussions or or
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your own thoughts but i personally after could see i was
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i i my parents they were born and raised and and and baptized
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into the catholic church as well but they didn't raise my sister
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and i in catholicism uhm i i have however attended catholic
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masses throughout my life and i noticed that there's a strong
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difference between a catholic practices or or catholic mass
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versus like a a baptist christian church or or the sort
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of christian church and i thought later on especially when
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i came into a pagan style of belief in in north north
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paganism that there are so many ritual elements to what
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catholicism and embraces right the sitting up the standing down
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the chantings of these various prayers there's so many ritual
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elements into me i always sat back and i thought well
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catholics are just pagans in denial they haven't quite taken
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the plunge yet they're they they've got all their saints
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they've got all their religious rites and rituals and things so
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it's like you're you've gotta you know it's paganism with a
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christian veneer added to it what do you think about that how
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do you what would you say to somebody that like me not ever
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really looking out starvation because it's funny invention
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because i've actually it kind of explains why i respected that
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faith will practice so much it's because as far as contrast
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between the catholic mass and the christian asked it's
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definitely nine day the energy is far more different and
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everyone has their preference but i really took a respect and
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reverence for the atmosphere of virtual because i feel like
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you're separating yourself from the mundane your and it's it's a
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really good point is you know like you know tag isn't in our
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catholics in denial it's just you know and it's like when they
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do the blessings of the holy water reminds me right away of
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bloody i'm like that's that's too much it's but it's very
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interesting though you know it's just you know it's that
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approached the sacredness that you know that i connect with and
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i respect and you know i know a lot of people you know we'll
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talk down to upper face you know i respect everyone for who you
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are what you are as long as it doesn't hurt anybody but of
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course i'm going to stand up and you know be loyal to what i
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follow of course but yeah no i i love that approach and i and i
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and that's kind of what UM i guess without even trying to
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adopt it or trying to you know because look we we were where
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pagans in modern day and and what is the leading religion of
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the world or what is the leading religious views of the world
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it's it's such a broad reach when it comes to whether it's
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christianity or islam or caste catholicism kind of falls into
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that christianity umbrella right yeah and umbrella term it's
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christian faith you know and but with with what midgard musings
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has has at least what i hope to have started in in developed is
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a more holistic approach to people in general right my
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friends some of my very close friends are not heathens one of
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my dearest friends who's a brother to me is not pagan at
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all he dabbles a bit in like inochi and stuff he was on the
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podcast last week and i briefly mentioned him before but the
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views of the world whether it be you know how to treat a human
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being you know how to treat other people you don't have to
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have a specific rule you don't have to have religion to have
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morality right i really like that point that's that's a very
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good point like there may be some things about a religious
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worldview that backs up what you're trying to do morally but
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ultimately you don't need to have religion just be a decent
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human being right and and to respect life in general which i
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think is the root of paganism regardless if it's dramatic or
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celtic or roman or any other sort of you know a polytheistic
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approach to things it's it's ultimately our respect for
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nature of part of which we are like human beings like we
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coexist and we are part of nature to many extents right
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right and uh but yeah like the whole like ritual element of a
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catholic mass i think if uh if anybody out there who has never
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attended a catholic mass if for no other reason than to just
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experience it like you know i did i wasn't raised catholic i
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was baptized catholic and they say like you know like that kind
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of seals the deal but i you know i was never brought up in the
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catholic church i didn't i didn't receive communion i
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didn't go to the you know the various things that they have
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set up for children along their way to gosh i can't even
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remember what the the names of them are but you know like
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you're coming of age sort of milestones along their life but
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i've been in at a catholic mass and it was like you get your
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exercise communion and all that yeah exactly down kneel sit
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stand kneel say this say that like you come out of catholic
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mass and you're like i think i need to take a shower 'cause i'm
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sweating over here from all this activity maybe not as much as
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like starfall C two 'cause you know if you sit there for too
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long you're gonna pass right out i think that's why they do it i
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think that's why there's i think that's why they have it's like
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oh you know we've been too quiet for twenty minutes we gotta get
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these people stand up say this uh gotta keep him engaged you
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know but i do and i and i also wanted to key in on something
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you said earlier about you know with the with the past that you
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were raised in in the in the sense of community and the
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things that it fit for you at the time right it it made sense
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and it fit free at the time and then as you grew up as an
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individual as you began to explore i think that's something
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similar to what a lot of folks out here listening can can
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relate to and i wanted to key in on that specific thing with
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regards to it the sense of community right 'cause i grew up
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again with a christian background but the sense of
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community the church as it were we all take care of each other
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we all it was like a tribe mentality you know we we took
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care of our own if somebody needed something there was
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always someone else there to help we celebrated each other 's
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victories we sell we and we we helped each other through our
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struggles you know nobody was alone who really was an island
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and those that were didn't last very long like there wasn't
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place in our community and in that quote unquote tribe if you
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want to call it if you were just so isolated and so withdrawn
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that you didn't contribute to that so i think it's interesting
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when you talk about community and and things that it's it's
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that in and of itself is not tide to a religion because we
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see it across various cultures and we see it across different
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religious views inherently i think you know whatever name you
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want to put to it those are heathen worldviews those are how
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our ancestors were able to thrive and survive is at the
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tribal community level people needed to contribute something
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to their community right if you were just an island out there
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not doing much of anything for anybody you were you were dead
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weight at quite often you know you were expendable it's like
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well here's this guy just killing all the time and not
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doing anything to help the tribe you know what are you gonna do
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and they didn't they didn't need a label for it they didn't need
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a name for it it just is no that was but i think it's a i think
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it's an interesting thing to note that you i owned a place or
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or that that you felt in place at the time and that the values
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inherently that you taught i think stuck with you throughout
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your life unless i misunderstood what you were saying i feel like
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you're saying like i know you know it all ISM it it carries
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over into your view now i'm curious though like kind of like
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i i hit that stage two i think we all may have especially as
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we're growing up from our youth our adulthood we're exploring
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we're finding new things to so much of but our lives were at
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one point were influenced by the people around us and then we hit
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a point where we're like i'm thinking for myself i want to
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figure it out for myself and we we maybe leave or abandoned
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certain ideals search for things ourselves and then come back to
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the common denominator right we we come back to something that
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feels like we're at home and and paganism it sounds like for you
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felt like it was at home like you felt like it was a almost
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certainly a mile back then it cut off roots it back to a topic
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i was gonna mention is about the importance of music and how it
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could play such a pivotal role and not only you know with
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spiritual practices but also mental health as well OK in what
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way like i mean so that that's a that's a great observation and
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it's a it's such a broad statement you know music can in
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effect us and hit us in so many different ways how much of that
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do you think has been like to what extent has it impacted you
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in your growth as a as a person and as a pagan well music has
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always been you know very fundamental to me throughout my
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life but i sound like a broken record a lot when i mentioned
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this to my friends that it all goes down to around the time
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before i saw how long in person and then right after it is it
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changed my life and it's like many people who know who follow
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the band is there a tribe and you know they're not songs but
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their rituals i remember getting one of my close friends uh jamie
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who took me to see them in chicago it was like a pilgrimage
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something special is this something about that music that
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resonated deep inside of me and awoke and all these latent
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feelings and emotions or oppressions that i had and i
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just remembered this for constantly re listening and re
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listening and really having it soak in but then while arriving
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there it's just be a part of the facebook group as well i
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experience a sense of community that i haven't felt in such a
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very long time and it really just it took me back and really
29:04
open my mind and this really is crazy yeah i i i'm a bit jealous
29:11
i gotta admit you know that you've been to a high long uh
29:16
events you know because like just watching their performances
29:22
online and and and seeing that not being in person i feel like
29:26
you really can't appreciate this fully unless you're there in
29:31
person like you can you can absorb so much from a video
29:34
online or a song like right now like right now i've got gold
29:39
gold or playing in the background that's probably the
29:43
most it's really amazing that you chose this song is this fun
29:47
hands down hits me to my core every time i mentioned in a post
29:52
once that no matter what's occurring at the moment if i
29:55
hear this song or anything from highland i'm taking away from
29:59
what ails me what what i'm struggling with what's on my
30:03
mind it just brings me this you know yeah it's it's it's ether
30:10
oh man like it it does it and i can relate to it and i think a
30:13
lot of us can just how strong like friends i mean even if you
30:18
don't know what they're literally saying because
30:21
highland is speaking in native languages to their their region
30:25
they're they're either speaking german or or or old like proto
30:30
indo european languages that you know are not spoken anymore let
30:36
actively you know what i mean like they're not a spoken
30:38
language they're they're archaic they sound like how old norse is
30:41
you know it's it's there's languages that exist today that
30:45
are similar but nobody today at least not on a broad scale speak
30:50
old norse it's an academic study you know what i mean i mean the
30:54
the indo proto indo european or proto germanic languages that
31:01
come that where old norse comes from like nobody 's talking in
31:04
that language anymore and to understand what they're saying
31:07
requires a lot of research and effort to get the gist of it and
31:13
yet you know we can hear and see but fans like pie long are are
31:20
doing and it touches us in ways that you can't put it like you
31:24
can't put a finger on the feeling that you get always it's
31:26
like it's absolutely not you're you're it's just an emotional
31:29
overload uhm what i really i'm not the cut shop but i really
31:34
respect that i'm sure a lot of us can relate to this is this
31:37
kind of music is meant to be felt not be understood by quite
31:43
literally like i'm sure a lot of us listen to heavy metal like
31:46
the gutturals he just you don't understand one damn thing
31:49
they're safe like you feel it you feel it deep in some guy
31:52
it's just you know really compliments how you feel and
31:55
that's something i really enjoy about music and how it helps us
31:58
you know express ourselves yeah for sure i also like to
32:04
incorporate music into ritual like we were talking earlier
32:09
before about the ritual aspects of things that literally put us
32:17
in a place to separate us from like where you think you
32:20
mentioned earlier the the separation between the mundane
32:23
or the profane and sacred forces or sacred elements like there's
32:28
no denying at least to me that uhm these types of rhythms
32:36
whether it's a drum beat or anything it helps get us into a
32:44
like a headspace or or perception of our existence in
32:49
the world and in the universe that we can connect to things a
32:52
little bit easier if we're if we have something that kind of like
32:56
guides us along the way whether it be auditory you know visual
33:02
and that's what i feel island offers they bring the whole
33:05
package it's it's audible you know it's it's sound and it's
33:09
visual like like like you said you were there like i said i'm
33:12
jealous because you were there and you experienced the ritual
33:15
aspect of their performance and you're not the only one that
33:19
i've heard say that so i'm like one of these days i've got to
33:22
you know do whatever it takes to to be definitely worth the
33:25
journey and what's funny about my seating is i was not anywhere
33:30
up front like i wanted to be but despite all that is still there
33:35
forget the very beginning of the ritual alex one the main shamans
33:40
of the tribe started the sage the space and that's when you
33:43
knew something was going to happen and just like oh my gosh
33:48
here we go and no matter where all seated were all standing you
33:51
could feel you've seen it probably a couple of videos
33:55
there's this giant drum in the background yeah and the way that
33:59
pulsated i'll i'll never forget it like vibrates through my
34:03
entire core it was just outstanding you know wow yeah i
34:10
i mean hearing it described and there's some other bands out
34:14
there or there's some other you know projects that maybe not
34:17
aren't even a collective of people that maybe like solo
34:20
projects of things of individuals that are releasing
34:24
stuff like this i i see a huge like surgeons of folk music
34:32
along this line nordic folk you know uhm viking music people
34:38
sometimes put a label to it they people call it different things
34:41
but i think if you know germanic folk music nordic folk music
34:46
danheim is another big one that i like to stream and listen to
34:51
on a regular basis highland barguna voluspa got a couple
34:56
others who i think you plug lot today yes VM again and i'm not
35:04
nor two outstanding individuals who have also you know what's
35:08
funny is daytime was actually my first you know nordic you know
35:13
vibe music that i started to listen to and that opened up the
35:16
door to heilung which my great friend of mine introduced me to
35:21
and this it opens so many wonderful doors and this falls
35:25
you know music but also meeting different people like i never
35:29
would have imagined being friends with some of the people
35:31
but i am today and that's another reason why i'm such a
35:35
diehard you know highland fan it's just i don't want to seem
35:39
cliched by any means they have just sticking from directly from
35:43
experience and you know how i'd like other people to hear their
35:46
experiences as well yeah and that's the best place to speak
35:50
from i feel is experience you know like you're not over here
35:53
blowing smoke not over here just like oh yeah i bought all their
35:57
albums and i got all their T shirts and you know hail
35:59
highland whatever like you know you you lived it you experienced
36:03
it and that spoke to you and i feel it's the most sincere
36:07
sincerest form and i don't mean this like in a negative way the
36:11
sincerest form of flattery is when you support somebody or
36:18
something so purely you know it's not it's not what's the
36:24
word i'm looking for it's not lip service you know what i mean
36:29
like you know yeah you can be like oh i like the page or i
36:31
comment here or there but like no when you're like active in it
36:35
and you're talking to people and sharing your thoughts and
36:38
feelings like it's it's the most sincerest form of flattery the
36:41
purest form of flattery and and i feel like that's where uhm all
36:46
these projects that pop up that we see 'cause like a lot of this
36:50
this type of music or a lot of these types of projects that
36:53
i've come to and have been due to folks like yourself who are
36:57
sharing that information like wow i didn't know this existed
37:01
until now you know so there's this whole networking thing that
37:05
exists you know this like extended sort of family element
37:09
which i've talked a number of times on whether it's podcasts
37:14
or my channel about this illusion of family that exists
37:19
with online forums whether it be social media or uhm you know
37:26
online fan clubs and things like that it gives a false sense of
37:29
or false or an illusion of a family for a lot of people and
37:34
then you've got folks like yourself who understand the the
37:40
heart behind it all and you're not you're not loosely throwing
37:44
out terms like you know brother sister family my tribe you know
37:47
like i feel like you're one of those guys that really
37:50
understands the the heart behind it or the inherent meaning
37:54
behind it and you're not lost in the illusion of of what an
37:58
online group aurora email subscription list represents you
38:03
know it's not a replacement something it's just an inclusion
38:06
exactly and that's that's very important and i i've seen that a
38:10
lot it's like here a lot keeps saying skull and things like
38:14
that yeah guilty is saying that but now i'm really starting to
38:17
notice it and i'm starting to respect that you know maybe it
38:21
would be more ideal for myself and my friends if you know where
38:26
proper terminology would be nice but also it's like people saying
38:29
don't viking i'm like you don't understand that the year not
38:32
you're not a viking not by a stretch i'm sorry i'm walking
38:35
away now like i've just i can't handle it you mentioned that a
38:40
few of your podcasts and a time you mentioned that this had this
38:43
smirk on my face like yep yep don't get me started yeah you
38:48
could just go down that rabbit hole you know and look like i'm
38:52
one of those types where hey if i say something and people wanna
38:55
like i'm very i'm very sensitive of the fact that you know
39:01
something that that is said to whether it's here on a podcast
39:03
or on my channel or any of the other social media platforms
39:06
that i'm seen or heard on it's like well you know jesse said it
39:10
and that's that's the way i think now because he said it
39:14
like i'm not an authority i'm not some sort of end all be all
39:17
my views and my way of thinking are developed through my own
39:22
experiences and study uhm and i encourage everybody do it to do
39:28
that themselves if if what i offer sparks that fire in in
39:33
points you in the direction to want to learn something specific
39:36
about that then i feel like that's time well spent and
39:38
that's a great thing because uhm one of the things that i found
39:43
so maybe like in liberating in a way was with heathenry is that
39:49
it forces you to make away right there there's inclusion and
39:58
there has to be inclusion there has to be involvement to be
40:01
healed and you're not you can't just be i mean i guess you can
40:05
you can be whatever you want you can do whatever you want anybody
40:07
can but i feel like i've gotten the most out of heathenry by
40:11
taking that initiative researching being apart of
40:14
things making that taking that step maybe you know stepping out
40:18
of my comfort zone in so many places in so many instances and
40:21
dumb you know taking a lashing sometimes if i'm wrong and i and
40:26
i have to admit it you know like that's a learning process you
40:29
know and all that kind of stuff not being so proud to like did
40:35
not be high you know corrected yep yeah 'cause guess what i
40:40
mean everybody is human and and first of all you know out of out
40:43
of the you know comparing myself to anybody else you know six
40:47
years as a heathen versus people who have been doing it for as
40:50
long as i've been alive like i i certainly have a lot to learn
40:54
and i would welcome any information that they would be
40:56
willing to share in those ways but the cool thing about it is
40:59
that you know those types are the ones who like yeah you can
41:03
learn but here's where you need to go to learn i would rather be
41:06
given the tools and then pointed in the direction of where to go
41:10
then to just be told everything and exactly yeah like i don't
41:15
know what you feel or how you've experienced it yourself but i
41:17
almost feel like too many people nowadays just want the answers
41:20
handed to them like how do i do this how do i do that tell me
41:23
what to do tell me tell me tell me it reminds me a lot of first
41:27
before it continues that's you know what brings me earlier is
41:32
that something i've come to really respect and appreciate
41:34
about you and your channel is that you know you make it no
41:39
you're not no authority you know you're not so what the college
41:43
board or anything like that but you were on a sincere journey in
41:46
a path and the fact you're not trying to teach anybody percy
41:51
like directing them you're just assisting and supporting yeah
41:56
but that also brings me to i used to practice karate and i
42:01
remember when i first started like man i want to get that
42:04
black ball i want to get that black vote but then yeah
42:07
overtime when you start to learn these things you're like the
42:11
black dots at the end of the road you want to enjoy the
42:14
journey and really experience the different stages of growth
42:19
and learning that you you know you seek to do yeah and if you
42:23
don't see that then you're missing the entire point and
42:26
it's it's an awful way to approach it but some people do
42:29
it just like you know trying to be a heathen or whatever you
42:34
practice or follow is this you know it's necessary to make
42:38
mistakes it's necessary to not always be right all the time and
42:43
it helps to be humbled corrected and it's it's what's important
42:47
is that you take the lesson that you know you learn from that
42:49
experience if it keeps repeating we only have yourself to blame
42:53
though yes i i i don't think i will ever at least you know i'm
42:59
never gonna be the master i'm always going to be the student
43:02
UM at least that's kind of the way my in my own humble view of
43:06
myself you know i may be i may i may exist for another few
43:10
decades maybe UM as in as a human in this profane space and
43:16
i may continue on as a heathen for that length of time and i'm
43:19
you know thirty some odd forty years into my life and i'm a
43:22
heat and all that time and i'm always going to be a student i'm
43:25
always going to have that view of myself as a student because
43:27
like you said that whole like martial arts black belt thing
43:31
like that's a very modern structured approach to it
43:36
rankings and things of that nature you look at like some
43:39
'cause i i studied martial arts too as a kid going from like my
43:43
youth into my teenage years and i was i i was originally
43:46
introduced to martial arts and i was going through it was thai
43:52
kwando what was the one like do you remember what you were were
43:56
into at the time or did it was just karate just basic karate
43:59
yeah so i went into like taekwondo and then that was when
44:03
i was a kid it was high energy it was a lot of you know it got
44:07
me into shape you know made me active and that sort of thing
44:12
later on i was uh and i only did that for maybe if your i did i
44:15
never made it to my my black belt you know what i mean but
44:20
what i ended up getting into after that was chinese martial
44:24
arts singing specifically which is one of like the three top
44:29
internal martial arts china is weird like in that sort of way
44:33
like they got like four thousand different styles of kung fu you
44:36
know every region every every village had their own you know
44:40
sub version like oh you know you met this one village and this
44:43
guy over here you know he's he's he's drunken monkey style and
44:46
you got the next village over that had to defeat the monk and
44:49
then and there you know psycho snake and then you got you know
44:53
psychedelic brain or whatever like they all have their own
44:57
different styles of things it's wacky but uhm like singing was
45:02
one of those combative martial arts that was developed for the
45:06
chinese armies thousands upon thousands of years ago kind of
45:10
falls into like the whole of you like tai chi and bagua and some
45:14
of these other different like internal martial arts very very
45:17
fascinating very but it was way different than the the thai
45:22
kwando that i had learned and part of the difference about it
45:26
was that there's no ranking system there's no belts that you
45:29
get you just learn until you die basically like you just you know
45:35
you study you study you learn new techniques you learn new
45:37
techniques and then you know when you expire you expire
45:41
there's no ranking system obviously the more you do it the
45:44
better you get but that's like anything anything that's
45:47
experienced based you know a thirty year master carpenter is
45:51
better than an apprentice right so there's there's understanding
45:56
of that right but then you wanna talk about like randomness like
46:01
where do we where did where did this start and where do we end
46:03
up play martial arts and stuff but i think it's just experience
46:10
up you know what you're trying to study and what you're
46:14
studying so yeah so yeah i think we're like we we started with
46:19
this was you know learning and not trying to teach you know
46:23
what i'm saying like there's there's definitely people out
46:25
here who are teaching and who are providing like guided
46:30
lessons and they are definitely in a position to do so not one
46:35
of them and i'm not any in any way shape or form trying to
46:39
portray myself as such and i'm glad that at least uhm you know
46:44
you understand like from your own perspective like it's not
46:47
that he's telling you what to do it seems sharing knowledge and
46:50
kind of being like a here's a suggestion here's a way to do it
46:53
and figure it out for yourself there's another a channel that i
46:58
subscribe to ocean keltoi really really cool heathen content
47:05
creator so for anybody listening right if you go to youtube and
47:09
search ocean keltoi you're going to find some really cool stuff
47:12
one of his things i think he ends it on every episode is find
47:15
a way or make one right and that's what a lot of us i think
47:19
you're out here are trying to do you there's so much that people
47:23
want to be told well how do i do it right just tell me the way
47:27
she like give me the answers and that's the easy part you're not
47:31
going to learn anything if you don't find it yourself i feel
47:34
yeah and part of finding your way is messing up and dripping
47:41
and you know getting your knees bruised and and you know getting
47:46
your nose bloodied and and just getting roughed up a little bit
47:50
that's part of learning you know you ride a bike get on a bike
47:55
right yeah exactly so one of the things we always like to do on
48:02
our random even ramblings podcast is is discuss a random
48:07
stanza from the harbor mall and patrick was kind enough to pick
48:12
one right you had one that you uh wanted to have talked about
48:19
here on the channel so every you know every episode that we put
48:24
out here the random stands it is usually selected by myself
48:30
'cause i'm usually doing these things by myself which is it's
48:32
neat to have a guest on here to have this dialogue 'cause you
48:35
know my views my insight it's always great to have a second
48:41
view or or an additional view on things so we always went when
48:46
when it stands is picked we've got multiple translations
48:49
multiple versions of the jahmal that have been translated you
48:52
know there's auden taylor there's oliver bray there's
48:55
hollander terry bell you know bellows thorpe and then jackson
49:01
crawford so we read from all of them or a lot of them i should
49:06
say uhm so to start this off as we sort of wrap up the podcast
49:13
as we started off gonna ask you patrick tell us which stands
49:19
there were gonna be reading from the hall today or what we're
49:22
going to be looking at today so what did you pick out for us
49:26
it's gonna be stands at thirty four the hub mall alright so
49:30
stands at thirty four and then did you have a you had a
49:35
translation that you were going to be reading from or that i was
49:39
going to ask if you wouldn't mind when you read us the first
49:41
stanza or whatever that you picked from whatever translation
49:44
if you know which one it is it's great if not that's fine yeah
49:48
absolutely i believe it's actually the top one and that
49:50
was second yeah uh it was out in taylor yes who fire away alright
50:01
to a false friend the footpath wines know his house beyond the
50:06
highway to assure friend there is a shortcut oh he lived a long
50:12
way off awesome thank you and if you don't mind i will read from
50:19
several other translations i'll let everybody know which stands
50:22
out you know which which version of the stands were reading from
50:24
but that was the auden auden taylor which is i like that
50:28
translation i like the cadence that that translation offers to
50:33
the stanzas it kind of just rolls off the tongue like
50:36
there's a pattern there's there's there's a cadence to it
50:38
that i really like uhm so i will go ahead and continue on with a
50:43
few more so we'll go to the bellows translation and that one
50:49
reads broke it in far is the road to affo though his house on
50:54
the highway B but wide and straight is the way to a friend
51:00
so far away he fair similar things that we hear it's just
51:05
the verbiage is changed a little bit across the translation so
51:08
much of what we see and repeated stands as the bray oliver bray
51:12
translation reads long as the road sorry long as the round do
51:16
a false friend leading in if he did well on the way but so far
51:22
off fared with faithful friend straight are the roads and short
51:28
uhm i like the hollander version as well which is to false friend
51:32
a far away it is though his roof be reared by the road whose
51:38
stench friend as straightway leads so far he have fared from
51:42
the thorpe is another favorite of mine long is an indirect the
51:48
way to a bad friends though by the road he did well but to a
51:53
good friends the path lie direct though he'd be far away and then
51:59
lastly i have the wanderers album all authored by jackson
52:02
crawford and i'm going to read that one as well i usually end
52:07
on that one jackson crawford 's translation of the stands up
52:10
thirty four reads it's a long and crooked walk to a bad friend
52:14
even if he lives nearby but it's an easy road to a good friend no
52:19
matter how long the journey uhm so patrick you know as a guest
52:26
here and since you picked this stands out what is what are some
52:30
of the things that you know stand out to about this stanza
52:34
what is it what is this saying to you we heard so many
52:37
different ways of saying kind of the same thing uhm but what
52:41
would you take away from this to me i thought about what stands a
52:47
pretty much all day today and like late last night and this is
52:51
something you know from experience that you know when
52:55
you're trying to be loved to be liked you sometimes go to a
53:01
false friend or someone who really doesn't have your best
53:05
interest in mind sometimes myself i've neglected seeing
53:11
that and i ended up hurting myself and being you know this
53:17
entangled and toxicity that really didn't need to be but so
53:22
desperate for approval and companionship you know sometimes
53:28
that happens and sometimes we need to be reminded or as i have
53:32
friends that i know i can count on and approaching them whether
53:37
it be you know going to visit them or just merely speaking to
53:41
them it's so much more simple no hidden agendas you know no
53:47
falsehood just straight up being who you are and who you claim to
53:52
be but sometimes people can put on a really neat persona and
53:56
tell you the things that you want to hear but all in all a
54:00
true and faithful friend is someone that's easily
54:02
approachable just as well as a you know someone who teaches or
54:08
someone who aids kind like you you're approachable someone who
54:11
i can relate to and not have to hold back anything i have to say
54:16
this to be who i am and that's what's important interesting i
54:21
love the analysis you know i think it's especially important
54:25
in modern times now because like you said there's so much that
54:31
can be misconstrued from uh relationships that we developed
54:38
online with people you know you can be anything you want to be
54:43
online you can you can be anybody UM and then when
54:48
somebody wants to get some wants to get to know you your true
54:51
colors show and there's a lot of that out there you know there's
54:56
a lot of seemingly decent people on the surface and then you get
55:00
to talking to him you get to know him and then like wow there
55:02
you know you're not what i thought you were you're not who
55:07
i thought you were a man and so like you said before you know
55:11
trying to get whether it's validation or approval or or
55:16
things from people you know it's a lot of misses you know it's
55:20
you know they say it's hit and miss it's it's a lot of miss
55:23
when it comes to stuff online because again people can be
55:25
whoever they want to be they can put on a persona that you know
55:32
when you meet them in real time or real life away from their
55:36
public image or or what they want to be perceived as it's
55:40
night and day you know we see it a lot i like the fact that what
55:45
the stands of mentions is that you know the road leading to the
55:50
home of a good friend the person who you are nearest and dearest
55:54
to even though the distance or the miles may be far the like
56:00
the literal miles may be fast but the distance is not that
56:04
makes sense it's perception in a way of the closest you can be
56:08
you can be so close to people who you're not and in comparison
56:12
you can have absolutely nothing to do with people who are
56:14
literally right in your backyard uh because of that failure to
56:18
connect and there's no you know i see a lot of folks that we see
56:23
this a lot online too i noticed uh oh you know you're you know
56:26
i'm looking for heathens in my area you know which i understand
56:30
and i get the drive in the interest because you know even
56:34
re and being a very tribally focused view on things like you
56:38
want like minded folks nearby that you can physically connect
56:42
with UM and the reality is that some people in some places of
56:47
the world just don't have that kind of a of a of a reach there
56:51
there's places around the world that just don't have a large if
56:56
any presence of events that that sink or or approach things in
57:02
the same or similar ways uhm so it's it's perception a lot you
57:08
know you might be you know fifteen miles away from somebody
57:12
who's has absolutely nothing to do with what you want and then
57:17
you've got people that are you know fifty miles away that
57:19
you're like i'll i'll get in the car all you order an uber or
57:23
whatever i'll go see if it's that far away because we connect
57:26
on that level you know uhm i think it goes above and beyond
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just the mirror description of how friendship works or feels
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nowadays over exactly we as again just living in modern
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times that the world was different in way before social
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media ever existed in way before there was this internet we have
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reaching i mean here you you're i'm in tennessee and urine like
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wherever and and we're having this conversation right now and
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we're talking in real time and we're talking about things that
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we can connect with and understand and the miles don't
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mean anything you know like in internal anything now it's like
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oh just because you're over here and i'm over there were still
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able to find ways to connect i don't think it takes away from
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any of the inherent even values where we talk about breath and
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being right to a tribe or having obligations tide to a tribe the
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real grassroots level of heathen rings still is important to
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cultivate into you know nurture but we can still have stuff like
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this and we can still develop great friendships and we can
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have wonderful interactions and learn a lot from each other you
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know regardless of the distance so far he may be right though
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the travels be many or the you know the we traveled many miles
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though you know we fare far from each other that sort of thing
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whatever the verbiage whatever the labels that we want to put
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to it whatever however we want to call or whatever we want to
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say it ultimately i think boils down to what are you willing to
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put into the relationship friendship you know what are you
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willing to do miles could mean nothing uhm i have some of my
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closest friends that live thirty forty miles away from me and i
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may not be able to see them as much as i would like but the
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distance usually doesn't matter it's we find a way you know find
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a way or make one when you do it's all the more special when
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you see them because this you know sometimes distance makes
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the heart grow fonder see yeah that's yeah that's the other
59:40
thing too is sometimes that that separation i think that's one of
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the one of the hidden uhm i don't say blessings or or things
59:49
that throughout this global pandemic over the last over year
59:55
now right you know the people that have been forced to be
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apart because of local guidances or restrictions or or
1:00:04
precedences and things that just you know totally rocked our
1:00:06
world uhm it puts things in a whole different perspective and
1:00:11
a whole different light and you can you can definitely say that
1:00:17
that separation or that distance does change your perception and
1:00:22
makes what you have with somebody seemed that much more
1:00:25
precious and that much more valuable because like wow like
1:00:28
we didn't you know we took advantage of the fact that we
1:00:30
could meet together all the time and we didn't do it and now here
1:00:34
we are you know a year later and it's like wow we haven't seen
1:00:37
each other for so long and because of what you know because
1:00:39
of something that was outside of our immediate control and that
1:00:43
we were just kind of thrown into and had to figure out a way to
1:00:46
survive through and make a way through so i think you're set i
1:00:52
think your analysis of it was really cool patrick i like the
1:00:56
UM you know insight that you brought to it and i hope our
1:00:59
listeners out here do as well you know we're going to wrap the
1:01:04
podcast up but you definitely please stick around i would like
1:01:07
to just chat with you a bit after the podcast ends
1:01:10
absolutely if you don't mind but i definitely appreciate you
1:01:13
taking the time to be here tonight this was an awesome
1:01:16
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ahead and wrap this up again again patrick don't go anywhere
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so for everybody that's listening come check the show
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notes for anything that we talked about the the video that
1:01:52
kind of started patrick 's and my friendship you know he found
1:01:56
a video online searching for things and here we are today now
1:02:00
talking about stuff on a podcast a year plus later it really
1:02:06
blows my mind and i want to thank you patrick very much for
1:02:09
being my honored guest on on tonight's episode it's been
1:02:12
really fun it's been a true honor and pleasure and it's
1:02:15
definitely made my day and this i'm very happy that so our
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passive process such and that we've gotten to this point well
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1:03:08
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good night everybody