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  Speaker 1: He's the report.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. My panel will discuss a
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  Speaker 2: chilling video that threatens attacks against Australians who do business
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  Speaker 2: with Israel. The Melbourne Childcare Center advises parents that male
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  Speaker 2: staff will be banned from taking children to the toilet,
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  Speaker 2: but is that legal? Chris Merrit will tackle that one.
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  Speaker 2: The UK government says it's cutting back on immigration numbers
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  Speaker 2: while providing special visas for poets.
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  Speaker 3: Esther Crack who will join me live from London, and
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  Speaker 3: in the.
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  Speaker 2: Moment, Greg Sheridan will have his say on how the
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  Speaker 2: Albanezy Trump relationship or lack thereof, is threatening our national security.
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  Speaker 2: But first, and speaking of Anthony Albanezi, he's in China
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  Speaker 2: this week talking about trade and tourism. It's the great
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  Speaker 2: diplomat two step where the Prime Minister smiles, sweetly shakes
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  Speaker 2: hands and pretends not to notice the armed warships idling
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  Speaker 2: just off our coast. To be fair, China is our
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  Speaker 2: largest trading partner and our second largest source of tourists,
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  Speaker 2: which is great news if your definition of healthy relationship
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  Speaker 2: includes economic dependency on a regime that arrests journalists, avail
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  Speaker 2: students and threatens to take over Taiwan like it's asking
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  Speaker 2: for extra dumplings. Because if you close your eyes, cover
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  Speaker 2: your ears and whisper iron ore and steel like it's
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  Speaker 2: an economic rosary.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the geopolitical threat of.
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  Speaker 2: The Chinese Communist Party apparently just disappears.
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  Speaker 4: Australia's iron ore leaders. The importance of Australian iron ore
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  Speaker 4: export the stillmaking process our iron ore is a critical
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  Speaker 4: industry in Australia. Australia is proudly the largest producer of
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  Speaker 4: iron ore in the world. Iron ore. We supply half
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  Speaker 4: of the world's iron ore. Steel is the backbone of
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  Speaker 4: the modern economy's Austraian iron ore export, Australian iron or
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  Speaker 4: the engine room for the world's iron ore, and we're
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  Speaker 4: responsible for more than half of China's iron ore imports.
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  Speaker 3: So there you have it.
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  Speaker 2: In Shanghai today, the PM was beaming like a year
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  Speaker 2: ten student on excursion as he waxed lyrical about steel
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  Speaker 2: manufacturing and the glories of bilateral cooperation, but mentioned national
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  Speaker 2: defense and the threat posed by China. Will Suddenly Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albaneze gets the body language of a man who just
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  Speaker 2: sat on a cactus.
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  Speaker 5: Does it frustrate you that while you're here, we're getting
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  Speaker 5: stories leaked out of the Pentagon which are distracting from
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  Speaker 5: that and putting the focus on security instead.
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  Speaker 4: I'm very focused on my purpose of being here.
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  Speaker 2: He bristled, and he wiggled, because nothing ruins a good
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  Speaker 2: trade junket like being reminded that the people you're clinking
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  Speaker 2: glasses with are also pointing warships in your direction. At
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  Speaker 2: the very same time that our Prime minister is in China,
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese are spying on our joint military exercises with
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  Speaker 2: the US and Japan off the coast of northern Australia,
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  Speaker 2: and naturally the urbanez He pretended that this was all
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  Speaker 2: very natural. Spying on the Australian military is, after all,
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  Speaker 2: just one of those things our friends do from time
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  Speaker 2: to time.
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  Speaker 6: What is your message about the circumnavigation of Australia by
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  Speaker 6: the Chinese flotilla, live fire drills and suspected surveillanships, no
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  Speaker 6: watching talent's mansib Is this an actual friend?
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  Speaker 3: Well, with regard to the.
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  Speaker 4: Second question, that would be nothing unusual that has happened
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  Speaker 4: in the past.
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  Speaker 2: If Albinzer were any more relaxed about the Chinese threat,
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  Speaker 2: he'd be promising not to even mention to Jijingping that
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  Speaker 2: Australia wants our Port of Darwin back unless Ji specifically asks.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, that's exactly what the Prime Minister said he'd do.
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  Speaker 5: And what will you be telling Hijiping tomorrow about your
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  Speaker 5: government's promise to force the sail of the Port of Darwin.
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  Speaker 3: I will be if it's raised.
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  Speaker 4: Our positions very clear, and I'm sure that the presidents
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  Speaker 4: very clear and and is knowledgeable of that.
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  Speaker 2: So we're playing it cool like a hostage hoping the
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  Speaker 2: kidnapper won't notice he's chewing through the ropes. It was
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  Speaker 2: the same when Albanez was asked about Donald Trump. A
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  Speaker 2: man who say what you like, at least has the
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  Speaker 2: moral clarity to call out China for what it is,
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  Speaker 2: a hostile, authoritarian regime with global ambitions and zero patients
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  Speaker 2: for weakness. Albanezy, who can organize a six day tour
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  Speaker 2: of communist China but can't arrange a coffee with Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: was asked if he was any closer to a meeting
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  Speaker 2: with the President of the United States.
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  Speaker 4: I'm focused here in China.
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  Speaker 2: Well, isn't that exactly the point? The PM is, by
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  Speaker 2: his own admission, focused on China, or the relationship with
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  Speaker 2: our key ally is increasingly in question, and then the PM,
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  Speaker 2: as he's wont to do, got defensive.
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  Speaker 4: I've been to the United States five times. I've been
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  Speaker 4: to China twice. Tony Abbott visited Beijing before he visited
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  Speaker 4: a wash after his election, as did Malcolm Fraser, as
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  Speaker 4: did Kevin Rudd.
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  Speaker 2: All of that is a fascinating history. Lesson the difference,
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  Speaker 2: of course, is that Australia's relationship with our key ally
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  Speaker 2: wasn't in question when Abbott was PM.
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  Speaker 4: As much as you know, I understand the fascination which
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  Speaker 4: is there. I've met with US representatives, Our Australian government
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  Speaker 4: ministers have been to the United States. I've been to
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  Speaker 4: the United States as well, just a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: And isn't that the point, Prime Minister, you've met with
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  Speaker 2: representatives of the US. You just can't or won't get
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  Speaker 2: a meeting with the leader of the US. I note
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  Speaker 2: the King Charles, who doesn't even have a mobile phone,
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  Speaker 2: can get a meeting with Donald Trump. The White House
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  Speaker 2: has confirmed that Trump will spend two days with the
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  Speaker 2: King in England in September.
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  Speaker 4: We have had three constructive phone conversations.
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  Speaker 2: And I had a constructive phone conversation with the Quantus
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  Speaker 2: call center earlier today. But I'm still seated in twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight f for my upcoming flight. I digress forward to
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  Speaker 2: that happening between now and the end of the year.
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  Speaker 2: G twenty quad apec a range of meetings as well as,
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  Speaker 2: of course, the potential for a visit another.
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  Speaker 4: Visit to the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Albanezy looks forward to a meeting with Trump, which could
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  Speaker 2: happen at any time or not at all, much like
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  Speaker 2: Chinese promises to respect international law. The greatest irony in
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's comments from China today came when he
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  Speaker 2: spoke about how important it was to get business leaders
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  Speaker 2: from Australia in the same room as business leaders from China.
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  Speaker 3: Have listened to what he said.
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  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, purple of relations are
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  Speaker 4: so important, and the relationship that these business people have
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  Speaker 4: with their Chinese in parts I've just seen firsthand.
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  Speaker 2: Well on that point, the PM is exactly right. At
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, people to people relationships are
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  Speaker 2: so important. So what does it say that he's having
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  Speaker 2: yet another person to person meeting with Yujingping tomorrow, but
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  Speaker 2: hasn't had and shows no urgency in having any person
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  Speaker 2: to person meeting with the leader of the United States. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Treasury officials have accidentally said the quiet part out loud.
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  Speaker 2: The federal budget is in such bad shape it cannot
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  Speaker 2: be repaired without raising taxes.
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  Speaker 3: Government spending needs to be cut.
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  Speaker 2: And the Albanezy government's response to the housing crisis a
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  Speaker 2: promise to supply one point two million new homes, Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's completely unachievable. The admissions, which were never supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be made public, were mistakenly included in documents responding to
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  Speaker 2: a freedom of information request. But the Treasurer, who regularly
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  Speaker 2: talks about the importance of independent advice, has assured us
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  Speaker 2: that this independence advice is of no particular importance.
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  Speaker 5: And what's happened here is a Treasury official has sent
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  Speaker 5: those documents in error. That sort of thing happens from
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  Speaker 5: time to time. I'm pretty relaxed about it, to be honest, because,
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  Speaker 5: of course Treasury provides advice for incoming governments, and no
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  Speaker 5: government typically goes into the detail of that. The other
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  Speaker 5: reason I'm pretty relaxed about it is. We've already made
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  Speaker 5: it really clear that we will need to do more
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  Speaker 5: to meet our housing targets.
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  Speaker 2: The treasure is pretty relaxed that the only way to
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  Speaker 2: repair the budget is by raising taxes.
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  Speaker 3: Are you feeling pretty relaxed?
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is my panel former Labor MP Michael Danby
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  Speaker 2: and former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Kroger. Quite the blunder, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Treasury accidentally releasing these documents this advice to the government.
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  Speaker 7: He needs an io or an am that true here
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  Speaker 7: official for telling us the truth.
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  Speaker 3: It's what we all know.
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  Speaker 7: You know, budget deficits are blowing out. The national debt
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  Speaker 7: is blowing out. We've got one point two trillion or
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  Speaker 7: one point two to three trillion to be exact in
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  Speaker 7: gross debt by twenty twenty eight. How's he going to
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  Speaker 7: deal with this? How are any of these Western government's
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  Speaker 7: going to deal with this? They've either got a not
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  Speaker 7: just here, it's in Britain, it's an America, it's everywhere.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, the public's demands for services are
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  Speaker 7: beyond the capacity of governments to deliver them at present.
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  Speaker 7: Unless you raise taxes or cut that expenditure, or alternatively
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  Speaker 7: do what this government can't do, which is massively increase growth.
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  Speaker 7: And if you messagly increase GDP, you're going to increase
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  Speaker 7: taxes and reduce deficits. But labor governments can't do that.
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  Speaker 7: And this treasury official was right. And as I said before,
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  Speaker 7: Jim's obviously a very nice bloke, but he's a cork
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  Speaker 7: in the ocean. He's just bobbing around giving these insipid
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  Speaker 7: press conferences with no idea what with no idea, quite frankly,
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  Speaker 7: with no idea what to do. He's just a commentator.
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  Speaker 7: He's just a commentator.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Danby, how can Labor walk this back now that
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  Speaker 2: the quiet part has been said out loud, this treasury
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  Speaker 2: advice is out in the public now.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it can't. And unfortunately, Labor, used to be against
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  Speaker 8: a huge national debt, doesn't seem to take that seriously anymore.
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  Speaker 8: I suppose that's why Elbow's over there with Sweaty Twiggy
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  Speaker 8: Forest in order to make sure that the tax receipts
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  Speaker 8: at least and iron all continue to come through. I'm
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  Speaker 8: not sure that Twiggy's going to be able to do
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  Speaker 8: anything if he's Beijing mates attack TI one because just
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  Speaker 8: like with Pig Iron Bob in the nineteen thirty nine,
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  Speaker 8: we won't be selling any iron ore to China if
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  Speaker 8: that happens. So even if they do a blockade, So James,
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  Speaker 8: all of this is predicated on massiveatural resources exports. It's
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  Speaker 8: practically the only thing we do. And to be fair
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  Speaker 8: to this current hopeless socialist left government, it was Joe
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  Speaker 8: Hockey and Malcolm Turnbull, the merchant bankers who destroyed our
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  Speaker 8: car industry. We just needed a little subsidy for General
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  Speaker 8: Motives to continue its operation. We're one of the few
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  Speaker 8: industrial powers that has no car industry and upon that
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  Speaker 8: so much of our manufacturing has collapsed.
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  Speaker 2: Could I just ask you this, Michael, before we move on.
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  Speaker 2: We heard the Treasurer there say, you know, I prey
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  Speaker 2: relaxed about this Treasury advice being released accidentally into the public.
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  Speaker 2: Do you reckon he is relaxed about it, or do
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  Speaker 2: you reckon he's furious, James.
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  Speaker 8: They're all relaxed because they've got a ninety three seat majority.
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  Speaker 8: They don't give us stuff to tell you the truth.
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  Speaker 8: You know, the criticism from Sky and the Australia. It's
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  Speaker 8: all worthwhile, it's all to the point. We can't sustain
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  Speaker 8: these efforts, as Froger points out, But the Australian people
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  Speaker 8: and the preferential system delivered them an incredible victory which
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  Speaker 8: is not deserved with a lower vote than Bill Shorten
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  Speaker 8: god as a primary vote.
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  Speaker 1: But that's so.
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  Speaker 8: Where Australia is for the next three years.
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  Speaker 3: Fair Corp, fair call to worry. Isn't it all right?
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  Speaker 3: Let's move on.
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  Speaker 2: The Lebanese Muslim Association has called for Gillian Siegel, the
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  Speaker 2: Special Envoy for combating Anti Semitism, to resign.
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  Speaker 3: The call comes after it.
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  Speaker 2: Was revealed a trust of which her husband is a director,
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  Speaker 2: donated fifty thousand dollars to the Advance Australia Lobby group. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the Lebanese Muslim Association says Siegal's position and I quote
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  Speaker 2: is untenable and that this isn't about dictating a spouse's politics.
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  Speaker 2: It's about credibility, accountability and public trust. Now I've got
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  Speaker 2: to say it's fascinating to hear the Lebanese Muslim Association,
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  Speaker 2: which ran an outrage rally in partnership with members of
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  Speaker 2: his Butteria on the anniversary of the October seven attacks.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about credibility and public trust, but leaving that aside,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, there's no suggestion Jillian Siegel was aware of
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  Speaker 2: this donation or that it has affected her work. Does
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  Speaker 2: she have a duty to declare something like this.
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  Speaker 7: No, I don't think so whatsoever. As Tony Burke says tonight,
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  Speaker 7: that's nineteen fifties thinking. I mean, I condemned the Lebanese
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  Speaker 7: Muslim Association's attack on Jillian Siegel.
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  Speaker 3: It's a disgraceful attack.
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  Speaker 7: On a woman who has produced the only serious work
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  Speaker 7: that's come out of this government. I mean, since October
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  Speaker 7: twenty twenty three, we've seen attacks against Jewish Australians, restraining
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  Speaker 7: as a Jewish background at record levels. This has all
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  Speaker 7: happened on Albaneze. He's watched what it's happened on the
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  Speaker 7: watch of most governments in this country, state governments, most
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  Speaker 7: of whom are labor.
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  Speaker 3: Siegel has produced what.
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  Speaker 7: I think is a very comprehensive and excellent report on
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  Speaker 7: what needs to be done. Has the Lebanese Muslim Association,
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  Speaker 7: by the way, got any ideas about how to attack
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  Speaker 7: Jewish hatred, how to deal with Jewish hatred in this country?
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  Speaker 7: Have they any bright ideas? Have any of these state
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  Speaker 7: governments around the country got any ideas? They're all playing
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  Speaker 7: catch up. Today we see the release of this disgusting
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  Speaker 7: terrorist inspired video attacking employees of a company which allegedly
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  Speaker 7: provides weapons parts. We've seen a stabbing tonight or this
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  Speaker 7: afternoon in Melbourne and a shopping center. A man's been
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  Speaker 7: stabbed in the neck by another man who, when he
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  Speaker 7: was wrestled on the ground, was yelling Allah Akbar over
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  Speaker 7: and over again. I mean, this stuff goes on and on.
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  Speaker 7: Fire bombings, hateful signs, Nazi signs, restaurants being attacked, synagogues
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  Speaker 7: being fire burned. Perhaps of the Australian Muslim Association would
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  Speaker 7: have some ideas about how to deal with anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 7: When they do, let's hear from otherwise. They should keep
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  Speaker 7: quiet and let Gillian Siegal do her work, which he's
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  Speaker 7: done brilliantly and hopefully the alban Easy government will adopt
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  Speaker 7: all of her recommendations.
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  Speaker 8: Sadly, Michael and James, the Lebanese community or the Muslims
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  Speaker 8: in Victoria and the Green political Party Ellen Sandal, who
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  Speaker 8: is a member for Melbourne, where that synagogue was attacked
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  Speaker 8: and where Misslon was attacked, have all said nothing. They
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  Speaker 8: are complicit in their silence and they should be called
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  Speaker 8: out by their mates at the ABC and the Guardian
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  Speaker 8: and the Aged.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Michael.
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  Speaker 2: And of course this call for Gillian Siegal to stand
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  Speaker 2: down comes immediately after her report on Strategies to combat
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 3: So do you think they're linked?
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  Speaker 8: Quite possibly.
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  Speaker 3: And of course James, the.
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  Speaker 8: Bob Carr lobby inside the Labor Party is pushing against
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  Speaker 8: her report because it includes things like the International Holocaust
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  Speaker 8: Remembrance Association's definition of anti Semitism because that has some
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  Speaker 8: references to Israel. If you say all Israelis are murdered
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  Speaker 8: and all of the people who support Israel murder bloodthirsty murderers, yes,
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  Speaker 8: that is anti semitism because that it can incite violence
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  Speaker 8: against people. Now, of course criticism of Israel and some
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  Speaker 8: of its policies, like the critism of all countries is
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  Speaker 8: open for a fair minded people, but it can stray into,
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  Speaker 8: as this IHRA definition understands, into incitement against Jews and
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  Speaker 8: against Israeli supporters. So it's that incitement of violence part
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  Speaker 8: that is germane to why that should be adopted.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to get onto some of that because
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  Speaker 2: parts of the Labor Party are urging the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: to reject key recommendations from the Special Endvoice Anti Semitism Plan.
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  Speaker 2: Labor Friends of Palestine is concerned over the ideas around
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  Speaker 2: stripping funding from universities and art bodies. They've said that's
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  Speaker 2: gross overreach. Of course, the recommendation is if these bodies
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  Speaker 2: platform anti Semitism and they are received government funding, that
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  Speaker 2: funding would be jeopardized. Michael Craigi, you're surprised by the
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  Speaker 2: reaction from some members of the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 7: No, not from that organization at all. But look at
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  Speaker 7: this one, mate, to take a point that is of
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  Speaker 7: others have made since October twenty twenty three. If you
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  Speaker 7: replaced all of the anti Jewish hatred, all these allegedly
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  Speaker 7: pro Palestinian demonstrations, the terrorist flags, the Nazi signs, et cetera,
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  Speaker 7: et cetera, the fire bombings, et cetera, et cetera, if
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  Speaker 7: it was not against Jews but against gays or against
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  Speaker 7: Aboriginal Australians, and that every one of these weekly demonstrations
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  Speaker 7: was attacking gay people or attacking Aboriginal Australians. What would
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  Speaker 7: you expect the federal governments do, and what would you
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  Speaker 7: expect the commissioner appointed to deal with these matters to do.
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  Speaker 7: They would produce a report like the one Jillian seguls report, honest, sincere,
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  Speaker 7: trustworthy and to the point, because nothing else has worked right.
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  Speaker 7: Whatever the Albanesi government's tried has failed dismably, things are
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  Speaker 7: getting worse. They're certainly getting worse in Melbourne. And Henry
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  Speaker 7: Yuga said the other day in a column that there
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  Speaker 7: was no place for andy sm in Australia and then
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  Speaker 7: he said except in Victoria, and he was quite right
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  Speaker 7: about that. Down here, it's at record levels and getting worse.
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  Speaker 7: And so of course people are taking Julian Siegel. Have
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  Speaker 7: they got any other ideas? No one has any other
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  Speaker 7: ideas right amongst these groups that you know, they don't
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  Speaker 7: see anti Semitism as others do. And that's one of
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  Speaker 7: the great problems. And Seagull's report was an outstanding piece
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  Speaker 7: of work and quite frankly, James, let's hope the government
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  Speaker 7: implements it in full.
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  Speaker 2: Will wait for baited breath on that one. Michael Kroger
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  Speaker 2: and Michael Danby. Appreciate your time tonight, thanks to both
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  Speaker 2: of you.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Anthony Albanezi has just touched
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  Speaker 2: down in Beijing as he gears up for his meeting
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  Speaker 2: with Jijingping tomorrow. He's been given, of course, the red
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  Speaker 2: carpet treatment. Foreign editor Greg Sheridan will join me live
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  Speaker 2: after the break.
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  Speaker 3: Well, welcome back to the program.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi is gearing up for his fourth meeting with
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  Speaker 2: President Xijingping and has just arrived in Beijing ahead of
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  Speaker 2: that meeting about half an hour ago. He's received a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: red carpet treatment from officials there, as.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: You would expect.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's trip comes, of course, amid intense scrutiny
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: over how the government is handling the country's relationship with
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the United States. So let's bring in The Australian's Foreign editor,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan. Greg, appreciate your time this evening. The PM
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: gave a lengthy press conference in Shanghai today. I wanted
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to find out what stood out to you when you
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: listen to him speak earlier today.
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: Well, James, I think this whole trip is a little
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: ill advised. There's no problem with going to China. But
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: why would you go to China and not go to
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: Japan and South Korea, nations with whom we have intimate
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: political and security relationships and with whom we share that
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: we make a lot of money out of China. But
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: is that the sum of the Australian soul. Albanizi is
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: in a position where he doesn't want to talk about
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: harsh realities. He just has his few little cliches. You know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: we agree where we can, disagree where we must, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: so forth. He won't say anything significant about China. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: think he got sort of a bit scared of the Americans,
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: and so there was a little moment of it'sy bitsy
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: dubvish hawkishness. Just before he left, you know, Penny Wong
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: discovered the Chinese military modernization again, which he hadn't spoken
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: about for a long time. And Alberanize he said he
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: won't reverse his decision to get the Port of Darwin
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: out of the hands of a Chinese own company, although
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: why the government just doesn't do it. It talks about it,
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: but it doesn't do it. I don't think we're getting
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: anything of substance out of this trip, really, except symbolism
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: is all wrong. You know, China is still the predominance
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: security threat in our region. It still takes a lot
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: of actions against US all the time. It endangers our
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: sailors and soldiers and airmen all the time. It's very
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: aggressive in its regional posture, and it interferes in our
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: politics as much as it can. So by all means,
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: make money.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Out of them.
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: But I think you need to talk honestly to the
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: Australian people about it. I mean, one of the Albaneze
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: is not performing on national security. We've got this woeful
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: defense budget, this joke of a defense budget. The Americans
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: have clearly recognized that he's not performing, and at the
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: same time he won't even talk honestly about the challenges
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: that China provides.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: So what I noticed, Greg when I listened to him
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: speak earlier today was he was incredibly passionate when talking
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: about trade, but he started to get tetchy whenever he
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: was asked about national security all the US Alliance. Did
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: he really think he could go to China with the
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: US Alliance in such a bad state and not be
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: peppered with questions about it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: Well, that's a fair question, James I must say, you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: I've never met Elbridge Colbury, but the way he is
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: driving Albanese mad while Albanesi is in China wanting to
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: hug Pandas and be patted on the head and be
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: called a handsome boy again is exquisite. It's beautiful. It's
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: quite splendid.
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: Really.
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: Now, Elbridge Colby is wrong, quite wrong to say that
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: Australia should commit to going to war with the United
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: States against China. If there's a war over Taiwan. The
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: United States won't commit to that, so that's ridiculous. But
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: everything else Elbridge Colby is saying about the Alliance, It's
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: true Australia is not spending enough on defense. How would
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: we plan to use the Virginia submarines? What is the
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: nature of our commitment to the US Alliance? How do
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: we feel about all the bad things that China does?
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: All the questions that Colby is asking are absolutely right.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: But Alberizi it seems to me as a Prime minister
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: who really doesn't ever want to think about national security
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: and doesn't ever want to talk about it, And the
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: minute he gets asked a difficult question, he's in trouble.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: He can't go beyond his talking points. He just repeats,
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: in a kind of pre artificial intelligence robotic way, his
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: few word processor cliche statements, and that's all he'll say.
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: And then he gets annoyed that a journalist should ask
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: him the question. You know, when the Chinese ambassador wrote
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: a piece in the Australian Press instructing Albanese not to
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: respond to Donald Trump's request for greater defense spending, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: indeed Albanese didn't respond to it. He took his instructions
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: from the Chinese, no doubt, independently, and a journalist asked
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: Alberanze about this, and Alberze wasn't annoyed with the ambassador,
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: he was annoyed with a journalist for asking him the question. Well,
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: I just think it's not sustainable. That ridiculous attitude, that
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: sort of Chauncey Gardner I like to watch kind of
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: attitude to public affairs just doesn't work.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You mentioned, of course, that the US are publicly asking,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: in the event of conflict with China, whose side would
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: we be on. You wrote in The Australian that this
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: demonstrates just how badly the alliance has deteriorated, that the
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Americans are asking this publicly.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Just talk me through that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: Well, it is an absurd question for the Americans to ask.
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: The Americans themselves don't guarantee that they would go to
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: war on behalf of Taiwan, and nor can they because
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: any guarantee like that it's hypothetical. You don't know what
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: the circumstances are. There's a one in one hundred million
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: chants that Taiwan attacks China or something. No, I mean,
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: that's not going to happen. But if that happened, you're
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: not obliged to go and defend Taiwan. So nobody gives
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: that kind of commitment in advance. But a couple of
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: years ago, the alliance was so intimate that the Americans
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: could envisage selling us through three to five Virginia Class submarines,
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: knowing that we were the most intimate ally they had
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: in the world, and that we would always be with
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: them because while we can't commit to going to war
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: with them over Taiwan, in fact, if America is involved
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: in a war in the Pacific, we're going to support them.
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, we've got their bases on our soil, all
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: our security is in their hands. We will support them.
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: But of course we can't say that in advance. But
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: a few years ago they didn't feel that they needed
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: to ask that sort of question because the alliance with
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: Australia was just so intimate. Now, ALBERNIZI, when he first
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: got into government, very narrowly, he spoke a good game
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: on national security, and he sacked up to the Americans
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: and he accepted aucas and all the rest of it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: But now that he's won a big election victory, he's
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: put a lot of distance between himself and Washington. He
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: hasn't seen Trump. Trump's hard to manage, but Albanese is
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: not managing him well, and he won't make a credible
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: effort on defense. I mean our defense budget as a joke.
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: There's not a single defense person in the country who's
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: not on Albanese's payroll who thinks that we're making anything
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: like a realistic effort whatsoever. So now the Americans are saying, well, gosh,
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: you're not the sort of ally you used to be. Well,
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: can we really take Virginia class submarines out of our
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: order of battle and give them to you? And now
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: Albanese can never commit to war in advance. But if
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: he moved defense spending from two percent to three percent
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: of GDP, and spoke more honestly about China and supported
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: the Americans a bit more on key issues. Where they
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: are in the right, you know, they'd be a lot
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: more secure in the alliance. And this alliance has gone
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: well formally since nine peint fifty one, but really since
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: almost since nineteen o eight when Alfred Deacon invited Teddy
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: Roosevelt's Great Fleet to Australia. And it's in peril because
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: of the weird combination of a left wing prime minister
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: in Australia at a capricious presidente in Washington.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Indeed, it certainly is will be interesting to see what
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: happens tomorrow after Albanese's meeting with Jiji Ping. Greg Sheridan,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: always a delight to talk. Thanks for your time this evening.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: A Melbourne childcare operator will enforce a significant ban on
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: male workers following horrific sexual abuse allegations against male workers
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: in the state of Victoria. Inspire Early Learning, which operates
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: sixteen childcare centers across Victoria, has sent a message to
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: parents advising and I quote, to ensure we remain sensitive
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: and responsive to family needs We've made an adjustment. Male
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: educators will not be assigned to change nappies or to
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: toileting duties now. Of course, this follows calls from victim's
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: advocates to ban men from the childcare industry altogether. I'm
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: curious about where this is going and for more I'm
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: joined by Chris Merrit from the Rule of Law Institute. Chris,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: thanks for your time tonight. This is a pretty significant move.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I would have thought by a childcare operator they're not
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: waiting for government legislation. But I'm wondering if this is
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: risky for the business, is it legal, and where could
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: this go if a male employee objected to these bands.
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: Good evening, it's very good to be here, and it
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: is incredibly risky. I certainly hope that this childcare center
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: has approached the Human Rights Commission and sought an exemption
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: from the Sex Discrimination Act, because this clearly would truncate
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: the career prospects for certain male employees. But it does
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: put all childcare centers in a terrible catch twenty two situation.
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: And this is a fault of the law, and you
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: can trace it all the way back to changes to
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: the Sex Discrimination Act that Julia Gillard put through in
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: the dying days of her government back in twenty thirteen.
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: This came to light in the decision which is now
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: under a Pearl and Federal court in Tickle and Giggle.
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: Now that decision, when applied to childcare centers could work
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: like this. Childcare center says, well, look, male employee, you
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: can only do a limited number of jobs, and the
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: male employee turns around and says, well, I'm not very
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: happy about that. That limits my career prospects. I think
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: I'll now identify as a female. And under the doctrine
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: that the federal court enunciated in the Tickle and Gigle case,
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: it's unlawful to discriminate against men who honestly believe they
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: are women. So in this situation, in order to get
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: around a ban by a childcare center on men, all
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: that would need to happen would be that the men concerned,
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: or a man concerned, would need to assert and prove
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: that he sincerely believes he's a woman. And that's the
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: end of the story. Shouldn't be the end of the story.
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: The law itself needs to be clarified. The fact that
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: this sort of thing has happened in the Tickle case
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: just goes to show you how vague the law is
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: and how flawed those amendments that Julia Gillard put through
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: they really are. Now we'll see what happens in the appeal,
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: but it's not the only case. There's another case boiling
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: along in the background where a lesbian action group is
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: plans to challenge the Human Rights Commission because they refused
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: an exemption for this lesbian group to hold a public
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: social event for lesbians only. The Commission said, look, you
• 30:46
  Speaker 10: can ban women and you can ban men, but you
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: can't ban men who believe they are women. So the
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: lesbians are very upset about this, and they've given notice
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: that once the Gig cases resolved, they plan to get
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: the Commission into court and challenge this law again. So
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: it tells me that the law itself is at full tier.
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: And regardless of the outcome in this Giggle appeal, I
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: think the amendments that Julia Gillard put through back in
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: twenty thirteen are not working technically as a good body
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: of law. They're not sending clear signals about what you
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: can and cannot do, because in the final analysis, the
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: law is seeking to deny reality. It's seeking to give
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: biological men the same treatment as women. And despite how
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: much compassion you might have, and you might believe that
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: it's wrong for transsexual people to be discriminated against in
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: employment circumstances, it just falls over when you test it
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: in the cases such outlined.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I note that in New South Wales now it's easier
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to change your gender on your birth certificate than it
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: is to change your name. As you're talking me through
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: all of this, my brain is about to explode.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: So back to childcare centers.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: What you're saying is if a male was banned from
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: changing nappies or taking kids to the toilets, he could
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: probably complain about being discriminated against because he's a male,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: or he could identify as a female, and then the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: childcare center would have no option but allow him to
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: continue with those duties. It's an absolute mess and all
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: we're trying to do is keep kids safe. I appreciate
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: you joining me tonight. Thanks Chris merrit Well. I'll stick
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: around because coming up after the break, the UK government
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: has promised to reduce immigration numbers, so why are they
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: offering special visas for diversity experts and poets Esther Crackho
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: will be on the show later and the chilling warning
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: from an anti Israel group to businesses in Victoria, that
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: story with my panel in just a moment, Welcome back
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to the program. Last month, the UK duo led thousands
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: of Glastonbury Music Festival goers in this anti Israel chant.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Theft to the idf if if.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: A chant that was broadcast live by the BBC. And
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: now that chant calling for those who protect the Jewish
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: state from annihilation to be killed, presumably so the Jewish
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: state can be annihilated. Well, it's gone viral around the world,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and wouldn't you know it, it's become particularly popular in Melbourne.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Last week twenty pro Palestinian protesters chanting death to the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: idf attacked a Jewish restaurant in the city CBD, throwing
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: chairs and smashing a window. And yesterday hundreds of pro
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Palestinian marches chanted for Israeli soldiers to be killed as
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: they marched through the city parading there And as I said,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: chant for soldiers to be killed, I thought it was all.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: About a ceasefire. Silly me.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Joining me as history lecturer and author Stephen Shavura and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: my co host on the Late Debate, freyer Leitch. Thanks
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to both of you for joining me. Stephen, what do
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you make of people marching through Melbourne streets chanting for
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Israeli soldiers to be killed?
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: It's a terrible chant because, as everyone knows, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: probably the overwhelming majority of people in Israel have served
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: with the IDF, and so it's not just a call
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: for active soldiers to be killed, it is a call
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: for Israelis in general even to be killed. So it's
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: a pretty horrible chant, you know. And I think definitely
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: things like incitement to violence ought to be that kind
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: of speech ought to be limited. I do worry though
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: that this will lead to more limits on free speech
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: in Australia. I do think we need to be careful
• 34:59
  Speaker 11: about that, and just with these sorts of examples in mind,
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: just sort of keep to the point that we want
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: to We want to ban incitement, but be very careful
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: about expanding anti free speech laws a lot beyond that,
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: because it can actually get it can get dangerous for
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: a democracy when we start doing that.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: It's a problem, isn't it. It's like a game of
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: whack a mole.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: As soon as you ban one chant well, another one
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: pops out, You've got to ban that one, and on
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and on it goes. I want to have a look
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: at some footage from the Melbourne protest.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Have look at this.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: You've got a couple of ladies who stood on the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: side of the pro Pealestinian march. Now they're standing to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the side waving Australian flags as the pro Palestinian mob
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: marches passed. What's interesting you can see there is that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: the two women waving Australian flags are ringed by half
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: a dozen police protecting them from the crowd. Apparently, Freyer,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: if you wave an Aussie flag, get a pro Palestinian
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: event in this country, you need police protection.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: What does that say about the progressive.
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: Left, Well, it shows that they're fundamentally fueled by hate
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: and inherently violent.
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: We've seen this happen multiple.
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: Times where counter protesters pro Australian pro israel protesters will
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: show up at these pro Palestinian marches in the Melbourne
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: CBD peacefully waive their Australian or Israeli flags as they
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: are entitled to do as citizens of a free democracy,
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: and then they are the ones that are asked to
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: move on because the police can't guarantee their safety. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: that is always the excuse the police keep using. It's
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: we can't guarantee your safety, so you're the one that
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: has to move on. But if they can't guarantee the
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: safety of Jewish people against this mob, don't think they'll
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: be able to guarantee your safety either. We are seeing
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: these protests escalate, escalate and escalate, and they are pushing
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: for more and more violence, and so the police really
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: need to step up in the Victorian government needs to
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: give the police powers to crack down on these violent protesters.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Wells, if that's not concerning enough.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: A video was released today of a masked man claiming
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to speak for a terraceell that fire bombed cars outside
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: of Melbourne business they accused of manufacturing components used by
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the IDF. Now should warn viewers that some people may
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: find this video distressing, but take a look.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: This is a clear and serious threat. If you continue
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: making weapons components of any kind, there will be consequences.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Consider this a warning. For the past few months, we
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: have been closely watching you. We have your addresses, all
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the information we have about it. You will be distributed
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to our underground networks, stop harming Israel or else. Death
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to Israel, to Australia, death to America. From the river
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: to the sea. Palestine will be free, always was, always
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Fraya.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I don't need to say that this is disturbing, but
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: there are people within the militant anti Israel movement who
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: have now effectively become a terror movement.
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: When they say globalize the Interfarta, when they praise Hamas,
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: when they refuse to condemn October seven, they are going
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: down a path of genuine violence. And we've said this
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: since October seven. It is only a matter of time
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: before someone gets hurt or killed. That's what's happening around
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: the world. And these anti Semitic attacks that are going
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: on all under the banner of globalizing the Interfara, this
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: is what happens. So I'm not surprised. And there have
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: been warnings for years about Iran potentially building a list
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: of Australian Jews and Jewish community organizations to target.
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  Speaker 13: This has been going on for years.
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  Speaker 12: Jewish people in Australia are genuinely terrified. I hear people
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  Speaker 12: talking all the time about making plans to leave the country.
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  Speaker 13: To move to Israel.
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  Speaker 12: Jews feel safer in a war zone in Israel than
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  Speaker 12: they do in twenty twenty five Australia.
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  Speaker 13: That is a massive failure of our country.
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  Speaker 3: Well you know that video.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I got to say, I'm not entirely surprised
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  Speaker 2: that we're seeing something like this and yet shocked at
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  Speaker 2: the same time that this sort of stuff is happening
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  Speaker 2: in our country, Stephen. Particularly dangerous, I think is the
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  Speaker 2: attempt to unite indigenous people with anti Israel protesters in
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  Speaker 2: a violent crusade against Australia exactly.
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  Speaker 11: And they get that from the universities. And this is
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  Speaker 11: again I've spoken a lot about our insanely irresponsible immigration
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  Speaker 11: policy bringing in hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Muslims,
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  Speaker 11: in particular from the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: Again, not all of them are anti.
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  Speaker 11: Semites and that sort of thing, but we bring in
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  Speaker 11: enough that you'd guarantee to get thousands of them. The
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  Speaker 11: other institution that needs to be severely criticized is the universities. Now,
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  Speaker 11: the universities have this ideology called settler colonialism, and the
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: idea is that countries like Australia, countries like Israel, at
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: their core genocidal and racists and have no legitimacy to exist,
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  Speaker 11: and so acts of violence against these countries are perfectly
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  Speaker 11: legitimate because they are acts of resistance. This is what
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  Speaker 11: they're getting in the universities. The universities need to be
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  Speaker 11: held accountable. So it's not just the immigration system that
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  Speaker 11: is causing this horror in Australia. It is the universities
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  Speaker 11: that teach this to our children, who then go out
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  Speaker 11: and become all sorts of things like journalists, teachers, judges,
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  Speaker 11: lawyers and all sorts of things and further inculcate these ideas,
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  Speaker 11: these anti Australia ideas into the broader public.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if we'd had time to show more of that video,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: that's exactly the kind of ideology that's being promoted in
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that video, and they're inciting people to join them and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: launch attacks against people who deal, as I said, with
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the Israeli government. It's absolutely shocking and outrageous that this
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: is happening. Freyer Stephen, thanks for joining me. We'll stick
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: around because after the break bombshell revelations from Reform UK's
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Doze style investigation, what taxpayers in the UK are footing
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: the bill for will absolutely shock you.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to migrants.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Plus, a High Court battle is brewing over keeping a
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: women's space just for biological women. That coming up with
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Esther Crakhu next, All right, let's get all the latest
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: news from the UK. Joining me is writer and broadcaster
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Esther crak who esther always a delight to speak with you.
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  Speaker 3: Leader of Reform UK.
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  Speaker 2: Nigel Farage has launched his own doze style The Apartment,
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  Speaker 2: and I am shocked about some of the things he's
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: found that taxpayers are being forced to pay for with
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: regards migrants. He's discovered the British public are footing the
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: bill for asylum seekers to enjoy golf trips, circus tickets
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and Netflix subscriptions.
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  Speaker 3: Just take us through some of these findings.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So Naja Faraj has launched this sort of dot
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: style section of the party which is being led by
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: Zia Yusuf. And I'm sure these latest discoveries are just
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  Speaker 6: the tip of the iceberg. So in kun Kent counc
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: Council alone, you have about twenty five hundred unaccompanied children
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: that are asylum seekers that are being treated to circus
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: trips and golf trips and you know, gifts from Amazon
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: and Curry's PC World, all on the taxpayers dime. And
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: this number of unaccompanied asylum seeker children has gone up
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: quite significantly in the last year alone, I'm assuming because
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: they believe that Kirstarma's Britain is a soft touch, and
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: that's a trend that you can see reflected across the
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: entirety of the numbers of people coming across these boats.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, in the last year alone, since Rishisunak transferred power,
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: that number has increased by forty percent. Forty percent more
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  Speaker 6: of these people are coming across on these small boats.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: In Kirstalmer's person, even though he kept raging on about
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: smashing the gangs. And in England more broadly, you're seeing
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: about seven three hundred of these unaccompanied minor children that
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: are falling onto the responsibility of these councils and they
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: have to not only take charge of their education, their housing,
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: but things like this, taking them on trips and making
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: sure they're comfortable and happy. And many people are asking,
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: you know, the government is bending over backwards to find
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: ways to cut some of the fat off the public
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: purse because we're living beyond our means, and yet you
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: have people that have no business being in the UK.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's pretty abhorrent that anyone will put their child,
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: the unaccompanied minor child, which if we're to believe that
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: is true, because many of them destroy the documentation upon
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: entering the UK that we don't have enough money and
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: resources to take care of our own population, and people
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: can put their children on these boats, pay people smugglers
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: upward to three thousand pounds, and yet they're entitled to
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: all these things like using the NHS three dentist visits,
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: you know, housing, accommodator housing, you know, education, all of
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: these things that even British people are struggling to have
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: access to. And this this latest revelation, I'm telling you now,
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  Speaker 6: I promise you it's just the tip of the iceberg.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: They're going to be so many unodifying revelations that are
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: going to come from this, because many of them are
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: being done or discovered through freedom of information requests, which
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: we as the British public, have a right to ask
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: for and to have access to all this knowledge. So,
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: you know, Nije Faraj is about to uncover a lot
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: of these unsavory aspects of public spending and just to
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: show the extent to which this crisis is really just.
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: Got out of hand.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: While we're on the subject of migrants, the UK's Home
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Office is under fire over its visa program. The government
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: has promised to cut back on the number of migrants
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: coming to the UK, but they're providing skill work visas
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: for diversity and inclusion experts as well as for poets
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  Speaker 2: and bloggers.
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  Speaker 3: Is this just biggest belief? Yes.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: If you are ever in any doubt that this government
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: has no idea what it's doing, this is probably a
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: prime example. I mean, the government only came out and
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: started talking about reducing the numbers of worker migrants into
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: the country after net migration hit a million people in
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: the space of just over a year, and yet to
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: say that and then still have these exemptions for diversity HighRes,
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: some of whom my kid do not within the NHS,
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: are commanding a salary upwards of one hundred thousand pounds.
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: Is it really does begar belief?
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: Why do we need to hire more diversity inclusion employees
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: from outside of Britain?
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: No less, I mean, the whole role is ridiculous, but the.
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: Fact that they are creating exemptions for that and for
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: poets as opposed to, for example, a doctors and construction workers.
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  Speaker 14: It just beggars belief.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Another thing that they're trying to get around, which they
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: can't is about a third of the migration figures that
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: you're seeing into Britain.
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: Only about a third are actual workers.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: So for all the people that are saying, oh, they're
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: coming here to work and we need them and all
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: of that, only less than a third of them are
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: actually coming here to work. Many of them are coming
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: with their families who are basically dependents of these people,
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: many of whom don't actually meet the threshold where they're
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: actually net contributors. So regardless of how you look at it,
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: they are draining more resources from the British state. Yeah,
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: there's been nothing on this from the government. Instead, they're
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: just trying to trim around and you know, just you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: work around the edges and remove things like florists. But
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: they're keeping diversity workers us people that can actually get
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: work visas in the country.
• 46:32
  Speaker 14: It's ridiculous.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Come on, est you can't have too many diversity officers
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: in a country. Where would the West be without diversity
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: and inclusion officers Just quickly moving from migration to anti Semitism.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: The UK's antisemitism.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Problem has been laid bare with a new government backed
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: report revealing anti Semitism has been normalized in much of
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: the middle class across Britain. The report showed Jewish people
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: in Britain were suffering increasing prejudice and it's because prevalent
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: in the NHS universities and in the arts. We've only
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: got about a minute left esther, but how's the government
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: reacted to this report that anti Semitism is so widespread
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: amongst so much.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Of the British community.
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: Well, I'm sure they're not going to be surprised.
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  Speaker 6: What's really quite interesting is when this particular surge of
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: anti Semitism has happened, and it was really in the
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: immediate aftermath of the October seventh attack, which is quite baffling.
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, we've seen it all in our street and
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: the Capitol in London of people saying that they're anti
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: Israel or anti Zionist protests and yet they're intimidating Jewish
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: business owners. Jewish business owners are having to close on Saturday's,
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: which tends to be a quite busy day for businesses.
• 47:42
  Speaker 14: We've seen it with the sort of anti Israel.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Chance, we've seen seen it with the BBC in Glastonbury,
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: so it's not coming as a surprise.
• 47:49
  Speaker 14: It's just the timing as well. And bear in mind this.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: Report was across partisan reports, so it was done by
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: members of two leading members of both parties, both main parties,
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: and they're both coming to this conclusion that they're basically
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: a gobs marked by the extent to which anti Semitism
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: has been normalized in Britain.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's what makes the report so startling, and the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: shock of those who conducted the report just how wide
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: anti semitism is. I note they'll be presenting recommendations. We're
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: going through a similar process here, having had recommendations presented
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: to our Prime Minister. We're waiting to see what action,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: if any, he will take. And it's interesting that the
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: UK are going through a similar process as we are here.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Astocrat who always a delight to speak. Thanks for your time.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Well that's all I've got time for tonight. I'll be
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: back again tomorrow night. But coming up now is Sharry
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: hosted by Nika de Giorgio.
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  Speaker 3: Good Night,