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Used as Intended. · That Car Show

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  Please let me merge. My mom is dead this week on that
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  car show you asked. We delivered it's crew show and
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  anything goes. Socal car meetups, new press
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  cars. Dan gets suggested with the new
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  Mustang. Somehow it's been 25 years of
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  Fast and furious. We bitch about customer service
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  at luxury car dealerships. Ford gets cheap and the best
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  year to have walked into a Ferrari dealership.
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  It's that car show. Hello and welcome to this week's
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  That Car Show. It is a crew show.
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  Once again, we're all back as a gang.
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  How's everyone doing? It's so good to see you guys.
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  It's been a it's been a few, few shows, yeah.
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  I know a. Minute, yeah, that's great.
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  Guests though. I've had three people say to me
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  when is the next crew show? So here is your answer.
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  It is now and today. We are here to answer and give
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  you what you want. Yeah, and all our glory.
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  I've got a question for you guys.
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  What do the following podcasts have in common?
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  Are you ready? Ready.
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  Take a little bit of thinking. OK?
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  The Car Mudgeon Show. Good show.
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  The auto car show. OK.
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  Seen through glass. Our first fan.
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  Smith and sniff, That's not an easy one to say after a couple
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  of pints. Yeah, out of the UK, yeah.
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  My friends at the Dirtfish Spin Rally podcast and the Car
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  Throttle podcast. What do they all have in common?
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  I feel like we need the Jeopardy theme, yeah.
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  Yeah, a few moments later, Right.
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  The answer is that they are all not quite as popular as us in
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  Korea. To our friends in South Korea,
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  thank you for making US1 of your favourites.
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  As Ricky Bobby says, if you're not first, you're last.
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  But we're not quite last, but we're definitely not first.
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  But we've got room to grow and we've got some good, good
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  competition actually behind us for once, yeah.
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  Right. Yeah, Jake and bake, baby.
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  We appreciate it, Korea. Thank you.
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  Yeah, I'm going to move on quickly.
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  We're not going to look at the US charts right now because I
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  think it'd be a different story, but yeah.
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  Although we have been doing well there, I would say we would be
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  proud of our performance there too, so.
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  We broke the top 50 the other week.
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  That's right. And if anyone knows anything
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  about the the US podcast, podcast charts, that is a
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  difficult group to break into. So and I think it was the the
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  show with Lynn. So well done to you guys.
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  Well, thank you to our listeners and fans of the show it.
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  Was a good one, but you're not going to mention Peru.
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  I we talked about that on another recording, which will
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  either come out before or after this one.
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  OK. But where were we in Peru?
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  Number one, we're like the one regularly #1 in Peru, which is.
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  We're huge in Peru. It's.
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  A count, you know, country of 40 million people, you know, and I
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  don't. Be wrong.
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  That's what I'm saying. That's, I mean, come on, I love
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  it. Well, thank you to our Peruvian
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  friends. Yeah, and you know, we gave them
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  the podcast. They gave us Paddington Bears.
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  It's a good deal in my head. I think it's a pretty fair
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  trade. Yeah, yeah.
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  You know there's a car connection there, right?
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  You know that Jeremy Clarkson's mom was the one responsible for
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  bringing the Paddington stories to the masses, I believe the
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  story goes. So that's right now, you know, I
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  told you they knew their their cars.
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  They're true enthusiasts all. Yeah.
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  I do, and if we can stay that way for another two months, we
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  will dress Ryan up as Paddington Bear for the holiday special
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  and. If that's not motivation, I
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  don't know what. It you know, my whole body looks
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  just like I'm already halfway there.
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  Dad kidding? There's a fair joke and there's
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  somewhere. This is true.
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  What have we been up to, folks? Have we been doing any driving?
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  I think there's been a lot of driving going on.
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  I think Ryan's the most recent though.
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  Do you want to tell us what you got up to today?
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  I'll make this quick 'cause I think you've got a better
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  driving story than I, Lindsay, but you got the GT4 out today.
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  Beautiful. There's like 73°.
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  You know, there's a whole other story there.
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  Maybe the world is ending but got out for a drive and in the.
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  Meantime, you're going to go for a.
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  Drive. I'm going to get some drive.
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  Well, you know, I've got a I've got a service coming up in this
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  car and it's do new tires, but I'm not quite there.
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  So I'm trying to burn off, you know, you're.
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  Trying to get there more quickly.
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  The wear bars, yeah. So decided up to Golden Gate
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  Canyon, if you know Golden Gate here in Denver, and was
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  immediately behind a 4 runner rolling roadblock with a bumper
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  sticker that said please let me merge.
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  My mom is dead, which I should have known if that's their kind
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  of humor, that they were not going to get out of my way.
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  They then proceeded to do 27 miles an hour up the whole
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  Canyon. When I finally had a chance to
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  pass my Valentine, one started going off KA band and the only
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  vehicle I saw was a red pickup truck.
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  And I said, surely this, you know, must be a, you know, junk
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  signal or something. No, If you live here in the
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  Denver area, watch out because it must be Clear Creek County.
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  But up there by Golden Gate State Park, there are there are
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  at least two unmarked pickup trucks, Ford F-150 or two
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  fifties. One's red, one's white.
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  They don't even have government plates on them.
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  No visible lights or anything. One black antenna on the top and
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  they were both shooting KA band. And they wanted to get me so
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  bad. And it turned into this game
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  where, like, he'd pull off, so I'd pull off behind him, you
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  know? Well, who's going to go first,
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  you know? After you?
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  No. After.
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  Yeah, yeah. All they wanted was a drive.
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  You don't. Ask for much, right?
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  I don't ask for much. I don't ask for much.
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  You know, some sometimes the the stars align and other times they
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  don't. And today was was one of those
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  days. But any day behind the wheels,
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  still better than sitting at home or sitting in office or
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  anything like that. But.
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  That is true. You had a an amazing drive
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  because I saw pictures and you talk about like juxtapositions
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  of cars, right? They're driving together, right?
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  You you had a couple fun ones out.
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  Yeah, so my daughter had, and your daughter may have had this.
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  There's a midwinter break in a lot of schools and hers was a
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  couple weeks ago. And so five days off and we
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  usually will try to go to Utah for a family ski trip and like
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  get the cousins together and all that.
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  Southern Utah really does not have snow right now.
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  So we ended up pivoting and just going to Orange County.
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  Just, you know, that's still a vacation for.
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  US. Beautiful, right?
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  So the plan was like OK we're not skiing let's just focus on
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  family time. And I'm very lucky that my whole
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  family loves to go for a drive. So we ended up getting to do 2
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  really like just magical drives. And actually both were very
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  unique 2 car solutions. The first one was just Tori and
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  my daughter and I and one of the dogs and we took Tori's bad
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  temper 2 bug and my parents F-250 pickup truck.
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  So it was a study in contrast and we went into like people in
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  Orange County and Southern California will be familiar with
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  Santiago Canyon Road. And then off of that is
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  Silverado Canyon and Majuska Canyon and all three of them
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  wonderful driving roads. And there's a place called Cooks
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  Corner, which is off of Santiago Canyon, which you may or may not
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  have heard of, but it opened in 1884 actually.
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  And it is considered to be one of the most famous biker
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  Hangouts on restaurants in Southern California.
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  And I remember, you know, my dad and I, when we would go do
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  Canyon drives when I was in high school, we would go by Cook's
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  Corner. So my daughter got to see it.
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  But we took the bug and the truck.
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  And, you know, it's a beautiful sunny day in Southern
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  California. The roads were wide open.
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  And the truck is not your typical, like Canyon Carver.
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  And it's a diesel. The throttle is pretty
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  sensitive. So you can like, even if you're
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  stepping on it gently, it Revs pretty quickly.
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  So I gave myself the challenge like, OK, this is not your
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  typical car that you'd go for a Canyon cruise.
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  I'm going to try and drive it as smoothly as possible, like keep
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  it as balanced as I can because it's a heavy vehicle and like
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  drive it as smoothly as possible without losing any extra speed.
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  You know, windy, tight turns. And one of the roads was very,
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  very narrow with like trees hanging over.
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  And you know, it made it a really fun engaging drive.
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  And I had one of the dogs was with us and she likes to sit on
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  the console, so that was a good barometer.
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  Like if I can keep her stable and not sliding all over the
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  place. It's weird.
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  Because she's a German Shepherd super.
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  Strange, but you know, those F2 fifties are good size, right?
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  And it's so fun, as you guys know, to just go for a drive
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  with other cars that are kind of put a group together and go
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  drive together. So that made it really fun to
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  have, you know, Tori and I together driving and I haven't
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  been back on those roads in a long time.
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  One of them we turned to go on to this one Canyon and there
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  were two horses coming down the road, so.
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  Yeah. So it just, it was like we just
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  didn't know what we were going to find.
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  It was, you know, it's, it's so nice, especially we've all lived
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  in climates where there are seasons, we're driving is not,
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  you know, feasible. And we're kind of in the middle
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  of that in the Pacific Northwest.
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  So it was really nice to get to do that this time of year and
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  you know, it's just nice to get out and get behind the wheel and
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  be in the sun and just just be out so.
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  For those not aware, what is bad temper 2 and why is it called
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  bad temper 2? So it is the second bad temper.
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  There was a bad temper and it was red.
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  We're on the state, the obvious bed, but go on.
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  So this is bad temper too. So bad.
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  Temper, yeah. Extra bad temper now with extra
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  bad temper. So it was a bug that was put
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  together. For those that are familiar with
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  VWS, it was one of the cowl look bugs which had illustrations on
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  the side or lettering and they had names, most of them and a
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  lot of them were drag raced I believe.
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  So this is a drag bug, and it was big in the LA scene in the
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  80s. At one point it was abandoned.
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  Someone had built it, you know, took care of it and then sold
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  it. And then somebody he knew found
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  it years later, totally abandoned on the street in LA.
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  They lost. Their temper, they.
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  Lost their temper and abandoned the car and he ended up getting
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  reconnected with it. It was restored, but yeah, but
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  it's. Like an iconic, like it is car,
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  right? If you're in the know.
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  And yeah, like, they're like heartbeat lines and like, all
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  kinds of like 80s kind of. On there was a pink one there
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  there was a pink one there was the original bad the red bad
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  temper then this one bad temper 2 which is actually grabber
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  blue, which is a Ford Mustang color.
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  So, you know, the signs were that was written in the stars.
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  But yeah, so towards the caretaker of it now, and I am
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  now too. But it's a super fun car.
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  And so the second drive that we took over the weekend, which was
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  the other, you know, unique 2 car solution was Bad temper 2
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  and the 289 Shelby Cobra. And those two cars are evenly
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  matched in terms of driving on the street spiritedly.
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  And we had a great time. Yeah, there was a comment from
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  the Cobra that they didn't realize the bug was as fast as
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  it is. Do you think Carol Shelby is
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  turning in his grave now? Because in essence, he's spent
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  all this time and investment on developing this car and and
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  someone's come along and put an engine in a Beetle, right?
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  No. You know what, I think Carol
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  would be thrilled because I heard him say this and my
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  parents heard him say this a few times, like he built these cars
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  to be driven. And so I think he would be so
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  thrilled to see that we're actually out enjoying the car
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  and my daughter rode in it and the next generation is enjoying
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  it. And you should have seen we took
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  those two and my parents and my daughter and Tori and I, and we
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  all went to Crystal Cove. And that's their, that was the
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  start of one of the big cars and coffees.
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  And then I moved to the Ford headquarters.
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  But people still go just because Southern California is such a
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  car culture. So they'll still stop in for
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  coffee. And so there's always a good,
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  you know, small but sort of like a high value gathering of cars.
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  And it was really fun to see the reaction when we pulled in in
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  the cars because the crowd around the Cobra, it was so fun.
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  And all these people came up with stories like, Oh, my dad
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  was really into these or, you know, my family had one and.
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  How many people ask you if it's real at an event like that?
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  Like you must get that a lot. And then when you say yes,
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  right, they are, I mean and. You know, part of it too is like
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  we're kind of in and out, like getting coffee and looking at
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  the other cars that were there. I mean, it was an amazing
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  morning there outside of what, you know, we showed up, right?
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  My dad was probably with it the most just talking to people.
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  But as he and I were getting in it to go home, this man came up
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  and he's like, is, is it real? And, you know, he shared his
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  family had had a GT350 and I think he'd had a Cobra
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  connection, but he just, he was like stunned speechless because
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  you don't really see them out often.
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  So that was really cool. Now I hear the one of the ways
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  to tell, and I'm no expert on these, is to do with the
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  indicator storks. Is that right?
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  That's a good question. I'm still, I mean, I'm still
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  learning too. And like there are some tells
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  and a lot of the replica companies there's like a name
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  plate and it'll say, you know, like super performance or you
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  know, some of the other ones. Factory 5 is a is another one
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  that's well regarded. But I will find out, yeah.
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  It was interesting. I then I was at the old, old
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  place and there was a gentleman with a real 1 and I said how do
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  you tell? And he said it was something to
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  do with the indicator storks. So maybe if folks are listening
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  and they know, maybe they could drop a comment on this.
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  Now how do you tell if it's a real Cobra or a a kit car?
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  I will ask my source but. Go on.
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  No, I wanted to share the other cars that we got to see that day
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  just quickly. So there was a Velocity Bronco
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  in this amazing metallic root beer brown, absolutely gorgeous.
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  There were 10 to 15 modern M3 and M fours that all showed up
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  together. It was like the M Armada and
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  that was really fun. I bet you.
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  Heard them coming, we did. There was a beautiful red 2002,
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  there was a GT3 and AGT 4 Rs. There was one of the Porsche
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  Ticon Turbo GTS in the purple Sky Metallic, which was their
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  launch color I think, and those are 1092 horsepower, so that's
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  crazy. That's just stealthily went
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  through the parking lot. We saw two bright blue Ferraris,
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  which is unusual. There was an absolutely gorgeous
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  1960 Mercedes-Benz 220SE and it was a cab and they only made
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  11112 of those of the cabriolets and it was, it had been
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  restored. Absolutely gorgeous.
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  Several GT threes, as you'd expect.
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  Several G wagons. My favorite was like an acid
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  Birch green one. I just loved it.
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  A beautiful blue Bentley Cabriolet, a Riviera Blue 993
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  Some Defenders and a a 918 Spider.
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  That's a well-rounded mix, yeah. We were like, I'm, I'm good.
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  Dan, were you there? I was not.
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  Yeah, unfortunately, no. Superman spec boxers I know.
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  Well, next time we'll have to coordinate.
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  It was such a last minute kind of thrown together trip, but
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  next time we'll have to make it more official and, you know, and
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  we can meet up. Yeah, it.
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  Sounds like fun. I I've had a couple of press
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  cars lately. Muscle car was an automatic this
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  time. Mustang.
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  Dark Horse. Oh.
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  So what did you think? Having had the manual, what are
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  your thoughts now? Yeah.
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  Well, I mean so I've driven the EcoBoost, the regular V8 GT, the
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  dark horse Manual and the dark Horse Auto.
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  So I think I've got the full gambit covered and I'll tell you
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  my favorite I think is the V8 GT manual.
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  The dark horse is just too powerful for the ride, which is
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  over 500 horsepower. There may be a video featuring
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  it on the car wow website right now, which is the same car.
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  I had to get it basically bring it back after the shoot and to
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  it had been completely, completely used as its intended
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  and then I got the keys. But I I just don't think, I
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  think it's too powerful. Sorry, there's a joke there
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  somewhere. Which bit used as intended, then
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  you get tossed the keys, right? Yeah.
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  Yeah. I mean, the jokes practically
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  right themselves. Yeah, all they do in Ryan's
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  head. So yeah, fun car, but like, it
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  was just too like you. You just feathered the.
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  Well, you couldn't fully unspool it and really enjoy it, which is
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  that's, I think that's a lot of us run into that of like, OK, if
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  you can't enjoy it, if it's meant to be driven off the
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  track, if you can't fully enjoy it because most of your drives
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  are going to be not track drives.
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  So it. Must be the way it it delivers
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  the power, right? You know the way it.
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  Delivers the power, the balance of the car.
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  I just think the power of that VA is better.
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  I know they're both V8, but the the GT, yeah, I did like a
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  couple of the technology features.
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  So it had a really non intrusive lane discipline thing.
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  You know how that's cool? A lot of them are like and you
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  just get rumbled, right? This was more like suggestive
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  and I like that. It sounds like it.
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  Was it was sort of a little. Ankle or.
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  What has Ryan been drinking tonight?
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  That's what I want to know. You know what is in the.
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  The one. That I'm not drinking.
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  Yeah. Thank you.
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  Costco. Yeah, the coffee.
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  It's a. Different kind of shot, but it's
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  having the same effect. My digestive system is, you
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  know, clean as a whistle. So yeah, that was the dark
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  horse. I I think that the, the GT is
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  the better car, is a more usable car.
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  Like on the freeway again, you just couldn't put the power
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  down, you know? You just get the tires spinning
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  and and. It's more like, you know, gentle
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  throttle is enough, more than enough to propel you to where
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  you need to go. So there's no, there's no point
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  in planting it because you just can't like, so that was the
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  first one. And we drove up about 400 miles
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  for this film shoot. So I decided that on the way
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  back I would take the automatic. On the way up I would take the
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  Integra Type S. Oh.
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  I'm dying to hear what you thought about that.
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  Yeah. Have either of you driven 1?
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  Not yet I've. Driven the Is it the TSX type S?
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  Is that a T? LXTL.
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  X rather. That's right, Right.
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  This isn't 2001. Yeah.
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  And that was a manual. No, it was an automatic, the one
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  I drove so but I liked it very much.
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  Greek car. This is the cousin of the Civic
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  type R, right? So they are very similar in
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  everything they do. A lot of people say that the
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  Integra is more refined. I would agree with that, apart
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  from the fact that the seats weren't as good.
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  So I think Honda now are like really famous for having great
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  seats. You know, the gearbox gear
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  change is very similar, most identical position, etcetera.
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  I if you were to say to me like you've got the choice between
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  the two cars which Kezia go for, I think the Integra is a more
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  fun car. Interesting and I know.
• 20:28
  That's probably going to alienate a load of Mustang fans,
• 20:32
  but I don't. Think a lot of people realize
• 20:34
  that these cars exist, but the the TLX and the Integra and they
• 20:38
  are just wonderful cars like in the very best sort of like old
• 20:42
  school way. I mean the techs all there and
• 20:44
  all that, but they there's something there's an
• 20:46
  authenticity to them, right, like they they drive exactly
• 20:49
  like you think they're going to drive and and they sort of drive
• 20:51
  like cars used to drive right. It's just there's a directness
• 20:55
  quality in every control and, and touch point That's just, I
• 20:59
  don't think Honda gets all the credit they deserve And, and
• 21:01
  Acura I think just sort of lives in this weird sort of like zone
• 21:04
  where they're just not on people's radar anymore, you
• 21:08
  know? Certainly not as much, I think,
• 21:10
  as they used to be, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I remember
• 21:13
  when you guys do too when Acura was new, right?
• 21:16
  And yeah, game changer it was, you know, give accurate chance.
• 21:20
  They're really good cars. It is a great car.
• 21:23
  It really is. Yeah.
• 21:25
  It's an unsung hero, I think because most people don't know
• 21:28
  about it. As you say, it's it's like a
• 21:30
  little go Kart. It's so much fun.
• 21:32
  Like you know, I would recommend it in.
• 21:35
  Front wheel drive, which, you know, damn impressive for front
• 21:39
  wheel drive cars. What is that 300 horsepower?
• 21:42
  About 3:40 I think 3. 40 I mean, you know, to be able to to push
• 21:46
  that through your front wheels with such control and sort of
• 21:49
  poise and yeah. And it does it well, like it you
• 21:52
  didn't get so a lot of cars that the front wheel drive, you get
• 21:55
  the torque steer when you put your foot down and everything
• 21:58
  starts. You know, I took it down a drag
• 22:01
  strip and it was perfect. Gear changes were perfect.
• 22:04
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:06
  I'm fastened with the science of torque steer, and I don't think
• 22:08
  I've ever quite wrapped my head around it.
• 22:10
  Back in the day, I had a 2000 Volvo S40.
• 22:15
  I think it had 160 horsepower, but it was to the front wheels.
• 22:18
  And if you floored it, that thing would just, you know,
• 22:21
  turn, you know, I mean, you really had to fight against it.
• 22:24
  But now we have these cars with more than double the horsepower,
• 22:28
  and you don't pick up on torque steer at all.
• 22:30
  So like what have they done in recent years to dial that out?
• 22:33
  Do you have any any ideas on the science behind that?
• 22:38
  The. Magicians, that's what I can
• 22:39
  say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sobs.
• 22:41
  That was always a big thing with sobs too.
• 22:43
  You're right. That was always with the vegan,
• 22:45
  right When the vegan came out and it was ostensibly this
• 22:47
  competitor like the M3 or the S4, you know, and it was a neat
• 22:51
  car, quirky, but that was always the hit against it, that it had
• 22:53
  like this incredible torque steer, you know?
• 22:55
  And so there were. Voxels in the UK the same like
• 22:58
  just had too much torque steer, you couldn't get the power down,
• 23:01
  you couldn't appreciate the car and the way you wanted to.
• 23:03
  But there aren't that many quick front wheel drive cars anymore.
• 23:07
  Other I think the the Gulf GTI is potentially one.
• 23:12
  I'm not sure we could name more than five.
• 23:14
  Yeah, yeah. Everything's all-wheel drive.
• 23:18
  Yeah, maybe. There's a Hyundai N of some
• 23:21
  sort. Does front row Dr. the LAN
• 23:24
  lanter? Yeah, I want to.
• 23:25
  I want to say that's all-wheel drive though.
• 23:27
  The N, the N spec, the. Elantra or I think.
• 23:30
  All aren't there all aren't all the N spec we?
• 23:32
  Need to get to our research and so do we need to put money on
• 23:37
  it? Do we want to?
• 23:39
  I'm going to say that they're all all-wheel drive all N spec
• 23:42
  cars. See.
• 23:43
  Elantra N all-wheel drive. I don't think it is so I.
• 23:48
  Think no, I mean show some I am. Happy to moderate the bet.
• 23:53
  Does not come with all-wheel drive.
• 23:56
  OK, All right, Well, you know. We'll just start a running tally
• 24:01
  of you owe me a beer. I owe you a beer, Yeah.
• 24:04
  I think I don't Dan a few beers at this point, but now we know,
• 24:07
  Now we know. But.
• 24:08
  Yeah, I only I could name more than five cars the front wheel
• 24:11
  drive have a bit of power and but I think the Civic has the
• 24:15
  record going around the nerve ring still.
• 24:17
  Yeah. So I think it's.
• 24:20
  Record for a front wheel drive car?
• 24:22
  Yeah. Yeah, that's a great.
• 24:25
  Car and I imagine that this is just sort of a more grown up
• 24:28
  version of that, right? Yeah, no, I think it's it's
• 24:32
  good. I thought we would change
• 24:34
  subjects and talk a bit, a little bit about what's the
• 24:37
  right phrase. Is it like flogging a horse?
• 24:40
  Is it squeezing a lemon this year?
• 24:43
  Wait for it. This year is 25 years of the
• 24:45
  Fast and Furious franchise and the well known shoe company Puma
• 24:51
  have a set of You guys call them tennis shoes.
• 24:55
  I call them trainers. Trainers.
• 24:56
  Yeah. Tennis have a set of trainers
• 24:58
  that are tribute to the cars in the movies.
• 25:01
  I kid you not, right? Yeah.
• 25:02
  So I. Mean they are a sight to behold,
• 25:06
  yeah. Have you seen them, Ryan?
• 25:07
  No, I've. Not Oh yeah, yeah, I, I.
• 25:10
  Think you need to pause for a minute and do a search for OK
• 25:13
  Suki's Honda S2000 Puma shoe. And while you're doing that,
• 25:18
  like there's the full set, OK, they've done a contribution or a
• 25:22
  tribute to each car that was in the movies.
• 25:24
  Oh wow. Dan, let me see yours.
• 25:28
  So you guys wearing? Them tonight.
• 25:33
  Like the orange one for the Super?
• 25:35
  Yeah, I. Kind of I kind of, well, no, I'm
• 25:37
  just zoomed in. Those are not who's.
• 25:39
  Who are these for? I mean true fans of the festival
• 25:42
  a lot. Going on Manch I so.
• 25:44
  Me and all of my F&F brethren. Also 25 years this I know I was
• 25:51
  just. I'm like, I remember when the
• 25:54
  first one came out. Yeah, yeah, I.
• 25:58
  Wonder if Jorge would rock a pair of these shoes?
• 26:00
  Our buddy from tormenting tarmac because when we were last in LA
• 26:03
  he had to make a pilgrimage to. That's right.
• 26:05
  He. Can answer all the trivia, you
• 26:08
  know, Yeah. Or hey, if you're listening,
• 26:10
  that's. Where they ended the after Brian
• 26:14
  drag race is the Ferrari. They go to Neptunes net net in
• 26:17
  the movie I. Want to know how old Jorge was
• 26:20
  when the movie came out? I kind of do want to know, and I
• 26:22
  don't want to know. Yeah, because he was probably
• 26:24
  about 12 or something. Right did he see it in real time
• 26:27
  or or did it come labor? But what a what a force, right?
• 26:30
  Like what a what a half life right that I.
• 26:32
  Know well. Yeah.
• 26:34
  When you think about kind of what they thought or like what
• 26:38
  the expectation was when they were making it and what the
• 26:41
  franchise, I mean, nobody expected it to be like they're
• 26:44
  making another one as we speak. Yeah.
• 26:47
  Who would have thought that 25 years on, they'd still be making
• 26:49
  new movies? Yeah, it's crazy.
• 26:53
  It's old Dan and I. Are Dan and I are still waiting
• 26:56
  for our stand by me Adidas so. That's right, in the.
• 27:00
  Meantime, you'll console yourselves with the Fast and
• 27:03
  Furious Pumas. So if you guys had to wear one
• 27:07
  of this line up, which ones would you choose because I know
• 27:10
  which ones I would choose. Well, I'm looking at pink.
• 27:12
  I'm looking at kind of an electric blue, right?
• 27:15
  I'm looking at with the. Silver Access.
• 27:17
  There's a bright. Green.
• 27:20
  Yeah, there's a bright green. I did see a note that they were
• 27:23
  sad there weren't There wasn't one that was a direct tribute to
• 27:27
  Hans car in Tokyo Drift. That was a suggestion for when
• 27:31
  Puma brings out Fast and Furious 2 point O that they be sure to
• 27:36
  include that one. I, I don't want to, you know,
• 27:39
  burst anyone's bubble here, but I also saw an ad pop up on my
• 27:42
  Instagram the other day for a line of Pumas dedicated to
• 27:47
  musical group The Smiths. And they have lines of lyrics,
• 27:53
  you know, lyrics down the side. I, I don't know if these are one
• 27:56
  offs or if these are also a Puma, you know, officially
• 27:58
  licensed product, but I'm, I'm, you know, they might just be
• 28:01
  doing anything anymore, right? You know, I'm thinking that car
• 28:04
  feels a. Little bit like throwing
• 28:06
  spaghetti against the wall. Yeah.
• 28:08
  Over there if you're listening. If you're listening, we can put
• 28:11
  the Lego on some shoes they would sell in their hundreds in
• 28:15
  Peru. And South Korea, that's.
• 28:17
  Right. And then just target those
• 28:19
  markets, right? We have a captive audience who
• 28:21
  are ready and waiting for the that car show high tops.
• 28:25
  We're just waiting for the call from Puma.
• 28:27
  The stingiest automotive company award may go to, or at least a
• 28:32
  contender, is Ford. Man Ford.
• 28:37
  Obviously have got a number of electric cars, but I think
• 28:40
  Lindsay, you saw that they're actually taking a leaf out of
• 28:43
  BMW's book and charging the customer more if they want more.
• 28:48
  Yeah. And it's what's wild is
• 28:51
  ultimately the overall price of the car is going up, but not for
• 28:55
  the reason that goods usually go up like inflation and etcetera.
• 29:00
  So they've decided to make the insert that creates, that makes
• 29:05
  the franc A franc like makes the front part of it usable.
• 29:09
  That insert now costs $495 if you want it and it's not
• 29:14
  standard in any of the packages. And the base price of the cars
• 29:20
  has been reduced by $50, but the front insert costs 495 S The
• 29:25
  overall price of the car goes up.
• 29:28
  If you want something that used to be standard and what I
• 29:31
  thought was so fascinating, and I'm curious if this really is
• 29:34
  the case or if it's just what they've decided to, you know,
• 29:38
  package this decision is. They said the designers had
• 29:43
  learned that a lot of owners were not using the front, so
• 29:48
  they decided to make the insert not a standard option.
• 29:53
  But, you know, it just leaves me with a lot of questions.
• 29:56
  And I feel like, again, like you said, Dan, it smacks of BMW
• 29:59
  saying they were going to start a subscription for heated seats
• 30:02
  or different options. And I think there's something to
• 30:06
  that in the sense of if it meant that in the cooler, like in the
• 30:14
  warmer months, you're not having to pay extra for your heated
• 30:17
  seats, sure. But there's got to be a better
• 30:20
  way to present it to the public, to us, the drivers, where it
• 30:23
  doesn't just feel like a money grab.
• 30:27
  Yeah, the one that gets me is the Mackie Rally, which is a car
• 30:32
  I'd love to drive. Yeah.
• 30:34
  I've heard really good things about those if you.
• 30:36
  Want the spoiler now? And the graphics pack?
• 30:38
  It's another $1000. Yeah, right.
• 30:41
  And that used to be what set it apart.
• 30:42
  That was how you knew it was the rally.
• 30:44
  Yeah. Well, it's again, it's not like
• 30:46
  you know, if you don't want it, you save 1000.
• 30:48
  It's that you didn't have to pay another thousand this this tray.
• 30:52
  So if you if I were to go to one of these makis without the tray
• 30:55
  now would I just see wires and cool?
• 30:57
  Yeah, I think it's just like unfinished, OK, like you can't,
• 31:01
  you couldn't use it to put cargo in without this insert that
• 31:04
  makes it. So I, I guess like our pole star
• 31:08
  has a frunk. I don't think it's nearly as
• 31:11
  capacious as the one in the Maki, but I've never even
• 31:13
  thought to use it right because there's plenty of room in the
• 31:16
  back. But I've driven other EVs where
• 31:19
  for whatever reason that that's that's the go to storage space.
• 31:23
  So is it? I assume it's a big area I
• 31:26
  assume I would guess. Just from looking at the car,
• 31:28
  like I haven't looked at 1 and I mean, that's a good, that's a
• 31:33
  good perspective from, you know, you actually have an EV and you
• 31:38
  don't think to use the frunk. Like maybe that's true and it's
• 31:42
  just force of habit. We're still getting used to the
• 31:44
  idea that there isn't an engine in the front of the car and
• 31:47
  we're having to remind ourselves to go use it.
• 31:50
  It just feels like self fulfilling.
• 31:52
  Well that's like, if you're making it unusable then people
• 31:55
  aren't going to use it. It's just.
• 31:56
  Guys, it's just this constant nickel and diming to death,
• 31:59
  right? And it's just, this just smacks
• 32:01
  of that. And it's just like, when will it
• 32:02
  stop? You know, just be
• 32:04
  straightforward. Tell me what the car costs and
• 32:07
  and let it be done. And what is this like a
• 32:09
  Rubbermaid container? Like how complicated a piece of
• 32:12
  plastic can this be, right? I mean, there's got to be a
• 32:14
  workaround, right? I don't know, right?
• 32:17
  It's just people are. Going to Yeah, people are going
• 32:19
  to be making their own trunk inserts for less than $495.
• 32:23
  That's just. It's, it's just, you know, it's
• 32:26
  like when you stay at any hotel now, then there's like the $50
• 32:28
  night resort fee, right? It's just a resort, right?
• 32:32
  Right. Like the Courtyard Inn in Iowa,
• 32:34
  man. This is a Motel 6.
• 32:36
  Yeah, that's me. Right now it's just come on.
• 32:38
  I know. It just seems cheap.
• 32:42
  Just seems cheap. Yeah, it.
• 32:43
  Doesn't, and I don't know off the top of my head how you
• 32:47
  present that in a way that feels good.
• 32:49
  If it's something that used to be standard and you're now
• 32:51
  getting charged for it, like that scenario doesn't ever feel
• 32:54
  good, regardless of the context. But it just sounds, it sounds
• 32:59
  stingy. And it's it feels like if
• 33:02
  they're trying to save, let's just say they're trying to save
• 33:05
  money, that feels like something like if you're selling an EV
• 33:10
  without an insert and you can't use the front of it, it feels
• 33:13
  like the car is not complete too.
• 33:16
  I think that's the bigger thing for me is like you said, Ryan.
• 33:18
  So what do you have Bear, you know, wiring and insulation.
• 33:24
  It is this is it is this this push to, you know, I've talked
• 33:27
  about this before in the show where, you know, the cheaper
• 33:30
  models of cars will have wheels that are are just, you know, so
• 33:34
  ugly. There's no way you'd ever want
• 33:36
  to drive that thing around with those wheels.
• 33:37
  So you you feel obligated to upgrade, right?
• 33:40
  And I really feel like the wheels are designed to be ugly.
• 33:42
  And and I've got a dump on my favorite car brand here for a
• 33:45
  minute. But Porsche, have you seen some
• 33:47
  of the wheels on the newest 9 elevens?
• 33:49
  They're hideous. They don't look like they fit on
• 33:51
  the car. They look almost like arrow
• 33:54
  wheels or something. So when you look into the
• 33:56
  spokes, instead of seeing the barrel of the, of the wheel,
• 34:00
  there's almost like a, a rim that comes up an inch or two.
• 34:03
  And it's just, they look awful, You know, and I, I, I, I, I hate
• 34:07
  to say it, but I think Porsche is finally kind of doing what,
• 34:10
  you know, other companies, well, you know, they've been doing it
• 34:13
  on the, on the, sorry, the, the, the electric Porsche.
• 34:16
  I can't think of the name of it. The, the, the, the Ticon, look
• 34:21
  at like the, especially when that the car first came out,
• 34:23
  look at the wheel designs on the lower end.
• 34:26
  They were absolutely awful. And the fact that that's carried
• 34:29
  out over now to the 9/11 is kind of pathetic.
• 34:31
  But again, it's this mentality where no one's going to want to,
• 34:34
  you know, no one's going to want to be seen without their trunk
• 34:36
  liner, right? Because you know, their
• 34:38
  neighbors are going to say, who is this cheap guy, right?
• 34:40
  I mean, so you're going to do it whether you use it or not.
• 34:43
  Then it's just, yeah, it's, it's just so cheap.
• 34:45
  You know, you guys are both old enough to remember when you get
• 34:47
  a lower level car and there'd be like blank caps and things,
• 34:51
  right? This is come on.
• 34:52
  Well, they were just talking. About this on Spike this morning
• 34:55
  in one of the, I think it was a Subaru where there's a space
• 34:59
  where on some of them there is a feature and on some of them it's
• 35:03
  like a blank cover. And they were debating, they'd
• 35:05
  heard a rumour that the guts of the feature, if you were able to
• 35:09
  pry this cover off and get a button that would make the
• 35:13
  connection, the guts are still there.
• 35:15
  So they were debating the merits of that.
• 35:17
  But it is funny where you are in, you know, like at one point
• 35:20
  there was an expedition and an explorer in my family and one of
• 35:24
  them had the compass up above and the other one just just like
• 35:29
  plastic. And you're like, well, we know
• 35:30
  what could be there, but it's not well.
• 35:34
  And you know, the other interesting thing about I know
• 35:36
  they were doing crazy deals on mock ease recently, seemingly
• 35:42
  because they weren't really moving.
• 35:44
  And so this feels like counterproductive.
• 35:46
  If you want people to try the cars out, you're going to make
• 35:49
  it less attractive. Yeah, and there was benefits
• 35:53
  because of the tariffs as well. There was discounts you just
• 35:57
  guys reminded me of. So I had my car going for a
• 36:00
  service last week and the only reason I raised this is because
• 36:03
  of like value for money, etcetera.
• 36:05
  This is the Porsche. This is the Audi.
• 36:08
  The. Audi.
• 36:08
  The Audi. So this was in theory it was the
• 36:10
  50,000 mile service. In reality the cars only done
• 36:13
  32,000. But is it a time period or
• 36:17
  mileage? Yeah. 32,000 Dan Miles Well.
• 36:20
  I I know because I think at least 1000 were done by you,
• 36:23
  Ryan. It was a group effort.
• 36:26
  When When did you want me to pick it up so I can put my 1000
• 36:29
  on it? Whenever you like, whenever.
• 36:31
  You use it up and hand them the keys.
• 36:33
  Don't. Put it up against bad temper too
• 36:34
  because I don't think it will compete.
• 36:37
  There's only. One way to find out I took.
• 36:39
  It in for a service and I don't know if it's the norm now but
• 36:42
  like I was presented with three service options was the first
• 36:46
  thing. Which one would you like Sir?
• 36:49
  The cheapest 1. Again, the jokes.
• 36:51
  Right themselves. Wow, yeah I kid.
• 36:55
  Well, have a guess how much a service is on an Audi SQ5 and
• 37:00
  this? Was just a standard 50,000 mile
• 37:02
  yeah it's but when they. Start to fall apart, you know
• 37:04
  that's oil. Like tire rotation but nothing.
• 37:08
  No gearbox oil or anything like that.
• 37:10
  Shouldn't be more than, I mean shouldn't be more than $300.00,
• 37:13
  but I'm going to say $900.00 for the cheapest option.
• 37:16
  Double it you're. Kidding me?
• 37:17
  What are they doing? Making a profit out of me for a
• 37:21
  star. So my point is, they're telling.
• 37:24
  It how pretty it is I. Got a loner, which is great.
• 37:28
  Yeah. That evening the car was ready
• 37:30
  and I had work commitments, so I said could I pick it up the next
• 37:33
  day? And they were like, yeah, we'll
• 37:36
  get it washed for you as well. I was like, what?
• 37:39
  You weren't going to wash it. Yeah, now, now you're, you're
• 37:43
  talking to the guy who who explicitly instructs them to not
• 37:47
  wash the car. So you know, and yet they do,
• 37:50
  right? The poles.
• 37:51
  Start to be washed, wouldn't you?
• 37:54
  Have you been to a Pole Star dealership?
• 37:56
  Didn't we talk about this? The Pole Star Pole Star
• 37:59
  dealership is the Volvo dealership, but you don't get to
• 38:01
  go into the Volvo entrance. They sort of shuttle you around
• 38:04
  and back where there isn't a sign, and then you stand there
• 38:08
  for 30 minutes until you know the one guy that's doing
• 38:11
  everything from welcoming customers to doing the actual
• 38:14
  work in the cars comes over in a sweat and greets you.
• 38:17
  It's Yeah, I the last thing I want is that guy washing the
• 38:20
  car. It's got they're.
• 38:21
  Like Nope, you over here. But no, you know, it's.
• 38:26
  So that was the the cheapest option, Dan.
• 38:28
  Yeah. What?
• 38:29
  What again? What do you get for your?
• 38:31
  You know, do they? Do a some musical number for you
• 38:34
  I. Didn't I?
• 38:35
  Didn't even look. That's just sad.
• 38:37
  Give me the cheapest option so. So I so I'll give you another
• 38:40
  story Porsche Colorado spring. So I've got this GT 4 it's a
• 38:43
  2020 and I was living in a little bit of fear because I
• 38:46
  knew that its first major service was coming up and my
• 38:50
  usual service guy is on leave. And so it was given to someone
• 38:53
  else, a guy I've worked with before, great guy, but not my
• 38:55
  usual person. And I just expected him to say,
• 38:57
  well, you know, it's finally time to get that, you know,
• 39:00
  that, that, that major service. But he said, well, how many
• 39:03
  miles do you have? And I told him he's like, oh,
• 39:04
  no, no, you're, you're, you're good.
• 39:05
  You're, you're fine. Just, you need an oil change and
• 39:07
  probably a, you know, a brake fluid service.
• 39:11
  And I, you know, like, thank you.
• 39:13
  That's nice. Thank.
• 39:13
  You yeah, because I would have, you know, just assumed I needed
• 39:16
  this major service. I know we're just pushing off to
• 39:18
  next year, but but but the oil change on that Dan was I think
• 39:25
  390 and the GT 4 is a car like as you both know, these are
• 39:30
  cars. We have a lot of underbody
• 39:32
  panels that have to come off right.
• 39:33
  I mean, this is No 5 minute oil change.
• 39:35
  This is a process. And so I thought 390 was not
• 39:38
  terrible. And the fact that it's less than
• 39:40
  half what they quoted you on an SQ5 seems with a smaller engine,
• 39:45
  right. I mean, it's not you know, these
• 39:47
  these Porsches in the NA engines have a ton of oil and all that.
• 39:50
  I mean, you know, this is, what, A-28 turbo or something?
• 39:54
  32 turbo on the three. Yeah.
• 39:57
  Where's the complication here? Like what?
• 39:59
  What do you do? I just didn't didn't get it.
• 40:01
  I would have loved if they had. So I am three weeks left on my
• 40:05
  warranty and the other sign of a good dealer is like, hey, you
• 40:10
  know, this is probably touch and go on the warranty, but we'll do
• 40:12
  it for you anyway, right? Yeah, none of that.
• 40:14
  I'm seeing none of that. So.
• 40:17
  Well, Speaking of truck trunk liner, said Porsche Carter
• 40:20
  Springs. I got to give them another plug
• 40:21
  because right before this car went out of of warranty, I took
• 40:24
  it and I said, you know, take a look and do whatever you need to
• 40:27
  do. And you know, they looked at it
• 40:29
  very thoroughly. Can't really find anything.
• 40:31
  But your trunk liner up front is is sort of pulling away.
• 40:34
  Let's let's replace that. And I'm sure that was no cheap
• 40:37
  piece. And so they replaced the whole
• 40:40
  front liner for me no issue. So you know it's there is a
• 40:44
  difference, isn't there? And.
• 40:47
  Dan, has that been your experience like when you service
• 40:50
  because is that the first experience you've had servicing
• 40:53
  it in LA? Yeah, was.
• 40:57
  It like that when you were in Seattle like dealer experience
• 41:00
  wise was the. Oil change.
• 41:01
  There it. Was nowhere near as expensive,
• 41:04
  so I think the experience is much better up in Seattle.
• 41:08
  I had a pretty good experience with the Porsche because the
• 41:10
  Porsche went in service, you know, No, no major concerns.
• 41:15
  Alone car, Yeah. We've talked about this before,
• 41:19
  at least, you know, the Porsche dealership I like to frequent,
• 41:23
  these people are sent away to be trained in customer service.
• 41:27
  They go to like a Four Seasons for a week and they're trained
• 41:30
  by The Four Seasons customer service staff on how to treat
• 41:34
  your customer. And I don't understand why more
• 41:37
  brands, especially premium brands, and I think Audi's up
• 41:39
  there too, you know, don't pay attention to that.
• 41:42
  You know, it's just at the end of the day, you know, people's
• 41:45
  loyalties are fickle and you can go anywhere.
• 41:47
  And something like a bad experience, like feeling good,
• 41:50
  you know, feeling like you got ripped off or something's enough
• 41:52
  to push me to another brand. I mean, I don't know.
• 41:55
  Yeah. I just don't understand.
• 41:56
  So I. Think luxury extends beyond the
• 41:58
  car, right? That's there you go.
• 42:00
  There you go cuz the. Go on, Lindsay.
• 42:03
  No. I was going to say I I agree and
• 42:05
  I think Porsche stands out in they really do focus on
• 42:10
  including you in the lifestyle. And you know, I mean, think of
• 42:14
  other like I think they're probably the first brand who do
• 42:20
  you know, they do events like social events at the dealership
• 42:22
  and they want you to come back and they want to have a long
• 42:25
  standing relationship with you because they know it's worth the
• 42:28
  investment. It's worth investing in their
• 42:30
  people and having their people go to The Four Seasons and all
• 42:33
  of of that because if you have a positive experience, you're
• 42:36
  going to keep coming back. And if you have a negative
• 42:37
  experience, you're going to talk about it on your podcast there.
• 42:40
  We go, there we go. Yeah, I Toyota wanted to charge
• 42:44
  me $70 a day for a loan car. That's when I had the Corolla.
• 42:50
  It's like. Bros.
• 42:51
  Yeah, Yeah. Well, it wasn't just a Corolla,
• 42:54
  right. I mean, you had it was an AR,
• 42:56
  right. I mean, so you're at a price
• 42:58
  point where that should just shouldn't even be A to charge
• 43:01
  you for a rental car. It's just, no, it's ridiculous.
• 43:04
  I think we need to switch gears and talk about some good stuff
• 43:07
  because we've so far we've beaten them for.
• 43:11
  Everything. We're going down at the day,
• 43:14
  aren't we? Let's talk about one of my
• 43:17
  favorite car brands, Ferrari, and that thing we do where we
• 43:21
  get in the DeLorean and we get back to peak.
• 43:24
  Whatever. This time around we'll go
• 43:26
  Ferrari. So you're going to go and pick
• 43:28
  up a peak Ferrari. What was peak Ferrari and why?
• 43:32
  And Ryan sounds like he's done most of the homework on this
• 43:35
  one. So maybe you can go first while
• 43:37
  Lindsay and I think. I love Ferraris next as much as
• 43:42
  the next guy or gal. I never have owned one.
• 43:45
  Let me list the reasons. But you know, I, I think, you
• 43:49
  know, growing up it was a, it was obviously a poster car and
• 43:51
  this and that. And, and I think it'd be really
• 43:53
  easy to say, I'm going to go back to, you know, I don't know,
• 43:55
  the 50s and buy a GTO or something, but but for me, the
• 43:59
  year that really matters is 1987, right?
• 44:02
  And I think you both know that was the year the F40 was
• 44:05
  released. But what's interesting is they
• 44:08
  had four other cars in the lineup of that year.
• 44:12
  So they had the 328. You get the GTS or the GTB,
• 44:16
  right? You could get the 400.
• 44:19
  I still remember that one 400, the funky wedge, you know, which
• 44:24
  is finally getting its due. The prices on those have shot
• 44:27
  way up if you've if you've I've always liked those.
• 44:30
  I always had the thing for them. I thought they were cool, but
• 44:32
  can't afford one of those now either.
• 44:34
  The Mondeal and I think it was a 32 by 1987.
• 44:38
  So I think it was someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I
• 44:41
  think that was you're finally like getting into the mondeals
• 44:43
  that you really want, right? You know, you could get that as
• 44:46
  a as a as a Cooper convertible, I think in in 87 still.
• 44:49
  And then, of course, they were still doing the Testarossa.
• 44:52
  So, you know, that was a pretty robust lineup.
• 44:56
  Of course, the F40 just, you know, blew them all, blew them
• 44:59
  all out of the water. But you know, think about it, no
• 45:01
  turbos. Everything was manual except for
• 45:04
  maybe that 400. I checked the wrong box, right.
• 45:07
  I mean, it was a pretty damn good lineup, but I think to 2013
• 45:13
  puts up a pretty good fight because 2013 I think was the
• 45:17
  last year of of of NA across the board.
• 45:20
  In 2014 was the first year of the turbo.
• 45:22
  The 458 speciality was 2013. Also a pretty great lineup.
• 45:27
  But just being a a child of the the 80s, you know, it's it's
• 45:31
  1987 for me and Ferrari. It's just checks out the next
• 45:35
  box. Challenge you on that?
• 45:37
  Yeah. So I think you said that none of
• 45:40
  them were turbos. Well, sorry, the F40, OK.
• 45:45
  Sounds like there's another beer on the line, yes?
• 45:47
  There we go. Yes, yeah, yeah, answered.
• 45:49
  Carefully. Yes.
• 45:51
  So the F40 was tabo charge was right?
• 45:53
  Yeah, I honestly that may even not was it 88 even before that
• 45:57
  was brought to the States? I I don't know.
• 45:58
  It's probably late 87 if I recall.
• 46:00
  But that was a hell of a lie. We'll give you.
• 46:02
  Late 80s as an answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:06
  That's a good. Answer Lindsay, do you want to
• 46:07
  go next? Can you beat that?
• 46:09
  Sure. So I have I have 3 answers which
• 46:12
  will surprise no one. It's a storied mark.
• 46:16
  It is a storied. Mark and you know, I had to like
• 46:20
  when I when I started thinking about the question, I went, OK,
• 46:24
  what pops to mind? So my very first TV show was
• 46:28
  Magnum Pi. So like the first show that I
• 46:32
  remember watching and I remember that from when I was a little
• 46:34
  bitty kid, as my dad would say. So that made quite an impression
• 46:38
  on me. And I was like, Magnum had the
• 46:40
  three O 8. So 1980 is when Magnum came out.
• 46:44
  So I would say that was a like a significant moment for Ferrari.
• 46:50
  I would also say the Testarossa was a significant moment for
• 46:55
  them. It's such an iconic car.
• 46:57
  That car was produced between 84 and 91.
• 47:00
  So there's that. And then I think the Enzo is a
• 47:04
  pretty significant car. That was 2002 to 2004.
• 47:09
  And I actually saw one of those driving on PCH in about 2004
• 47:15
  actually. So yeah, I was driving behind it
• 47:19
  and all of a sudden, like realized what I was seeing and
• 47:22
  I'm like, what is this? So for those keeping track, PCH
• 47:27
  is the place to be. But obviously Ferrari's been
• 47:29
  around for a long, long, long time and they've had several
• 47:32
  significant moments. But those are the those are the
• 47:35
  moments that come to mind for me as far as like defining moments
• 47:39
  for the brand. Well, you did.
• 47:41
  Interesting. Well, I was at a car show on
• 47:45
  Sunday and a gentleman brought along a Daytona Spider.
• 47:52
  And I just think the Daytona is, you know, I think Ferrari went
• 47:57
  for a period of making race cars for the road, which were
• 48:02
  beautiful, but the convertible with the V12 and just, it's just
• 48:10
  a thing of beauty. So V12 plus a beautiful car, I
• 48:14
  think. And those cars I think
• 48:16
  originally came out in the 60s, but it wasn't until the 70s
• 48:18
  where they were kind of, really sort of perfection.
• 48:23
  So I think it's the Daytona Spider in the early 70s.
• 48:27
  So, and again, it's interesting, we've gone for different eras,
• 48:31
  no? No, I know.
• 48:33
  And you should buy 1 Dan. They're a little soft right now
• 48:35
  from what I hear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:37
  Is that? Your addition to the BA pocket
• 48:39
  list That's right, it's for this week well, we.
• 48:42
  Should each get one right and you know.
• 48:44
  Well that's an interesting. Yeah, go ahead.
• 48:46
  Sorry. I.
• 48:47
  Identify fit in one, but yeah, I bet.
• 48:49
  You do you know, that's an interesting car because you
• 48:51
  know, back in the day so many some of the coups were turned
• 48:54
  into to cabs, right. So I think the move might be to
• 48:58
  find a nice coop but an. Unmolested example, as they say.
• 49:03
  That's right. I think 1 was used in the
• 49:06
  cannibal run, not the film, the actual cannibal run.
• 49:09
  Yeah, that's right. That's that's that this is true.
• 49:11
  Yeah, that all about it. And car and driver back in the
• 49:14
  day. So yeah.
• 49:15
  With Brock Yates and Dan Journey.
• 49:17
  That's exactly right. So.
• 49:19
  Well, Can you imagine? Can you imagine like in period
• 49:23
  doing that trip just falls out for better, for lack of a
• 49:28
  better, you know, way of saying it in that car from coast to
• 49:31
  coast. Those two right.
• 49:33
  Talk about recording a podcast in a car, right?
• 49:36
  Yeah, in the. 70s there was obviously a lot less traffic.
• 49:40
  Imagine that it would just this traffic.
• 49:41
  Wouldn't it? Yeah.
• 49:43
  Cops, you know, rudimentary speed control, right.
• 49:46
  I think that was the era of like, you know, once you hit the
• 49:47
  state line, you were you were free.
• 49:50
  That's what the movies taught me.
• 49:51
  So, yeah, you know, it's, that's a good answer.
• 49:54
  That's a good answer, yeah. Does Ferrari still do it for
• 49:58
  you? Like with their current lineup,
• 50:00
  obviously they're nice cars and they're fast and all that, but
• 50:02
  is there anything in their current lineup that really
• 50:05
  touches you? Like I mean that really makes
• 50:08
  you want. He's bad, he gave.
• 50:09
  Jokes. Yeah, Lindsay.
• 50:13
  So I don't know the models as well as I wish I did, but I
• 50:19
  think some of the new ones are really beautiful.
• 50:21
  I think it's it's sort of an era of extremes for them and
• 50:26
  obviously it's subjective, but some of them I think are
• 50:30
  gorgeous and some of them are not my cup of tea.
• 50:35
  But I would say, you know, they're still like, I think
• 50:38
  they're still very special cars. I think the brand is so special
• 50:41
  and I wouldn't turn 1 down. The Dolce Cilindre, which is the
• 50:47
  is like a, you know, a new Daytona.
• 50:52
  I'd love to drive one of those. Yeah, I.
• 50:53
  Think those, they're all just so big, you know, And I remember
• 50:57
  when the F came out, people said that about that car.
• 51:00
  Well, that doesn't seem so big now.
• 51:01
  And that's a car that never really did it for me when it was
• 51:05
  new, but I think are really cool.
• 51:07
  I've seen a couple of them in winter here in Colorado on
• 51:10
  winter tires. You know, they're all-wheel
• 51:11
  drive. They're just it's like how
• 51:12
  baller is that, you know? Yeah, take my my V12 Ferrari,
• 51:16
  you know and and you know don't. Mind me, yeah.
• 51:20
  Yeah, good stuff. So no I.
• 51:22
  Love that. I'm with you.
• 51:24
  I think I think they're cool. They're cool, A lot of.
• 51:27
  Car for the money currently so. Lots of top tips today on the
• 51:31
  bullshit list. We've got the Daytona, we've got
• 51:34
  the GT4 Luso and the FF. Yeah, it's a Ferrari.
• 51:40
  Heavy segment. What have we got coming up in
• 51:44
  the next few weeks? Much.
• 51:47
  I think Avance has an event this weekend and just hoping for some
• 51:51
  good weather, maybe get out for a drive.
• 51:55
  Well, not the Fat Ice race that's going on this weekend.
• 51:59
  We will not be there next year. Just didn't get our, yeah,
• 52:02
  didn't get it together to make that happen.
• 52:04
  Speaking of Avance, I want to give Avance a quick shout out
• 52:06
  because my GT4 needs new tires. And if you are an Avance member
• 52:12
  and I am, you can get a 10% discount off the top of any, I
• 52:18
  think pretty much any tire at Discount Tire.
• 52:21
  And then you get an additional 10% rebate if they're Michelins.
• 52:24
  And so you're spending $2500 on 4 tires.
• 52:28
  That's a significant amount of money.
• 52:30
  You've got to order the tires in person at a Discount Tire.
• 52:33
  But beyond that, you can have them shipped to your installer
• 52:36
  or whatever. So, you know, well worth the
• 52:39
  price of admission. I think it's about 100 bucks,
• 52:41
  maybe 150 a year for a. It's between 100 and 150 pays.
• 52:46
  For itself, one set of tires and some.
• 52:49
  So anyway, yeah, another top tip, right?
• 52:54
  So. So you'll be getting ties and
• 52:56
  then going for another drive to find.
• 52:57
  It. I hope so.
• 52:59
  What was the Toyota that we got stuck behind?
• 53:02
  A forerunner. You know, another forerunner?
• 53:04
  Yeah, or. Investigating more counties with
• 53:07
  stealth. The problem is even in the 10
• 53:11
  years, 12 years, whenever that I've lived in Denver, the
• 53:13
  traffic has gotten so much worse.
• 53:15
  These sort of like near Canyon roads, which used to be our go
• 53:18
  to's are just that much more heavily trafficked.
• 53:20
  And then in turn you get more enforcement.
• 53:22
  And so you've got to, you've got to cast the net further.
• 53:24
  Well, even though we haven't had much of A winter anywhere beyond
• 53:28
  sort of this, this near net means there's snow and ice and
• 53:31
  everything else. I tried to go up the peak to
• 53:32
  peak today and if you are local, you know the peak to peak.
• 53:36
  I got to the second corner and had to slam in the bricks
• 53:40
  because it was all ice. And it was 73 in Denver today.
• 53:44
  So that's what you're dealing with.
• 53:45
  Wow. In Colorado.
• 53:46
  But yeah, Dan, you, I'm. Just trying to think I actually
• 53:51
  next weekend I'm going for a bit of a road trip taking the
• 53:54
  Porsche out. My plans had changed.
• 53:57
  I was going to Daytona for the bikes.
• 53:59
  That's right. But I've, I've pulled the plug
• 54:01
  on that and I've got relatives from the UK going to Palm
• 54:05
  Springs. So I'm going to take a couple of
• 54:07
  days to get there and probably go out to Ojai and, you know, do
• 54:10
  some crazy stuff and then come into Palm Springs there.
• 54:13
  Are a couple of really great tiki bars in Palm Springs so do
• 54:17
  yourself a favor and investigate those while you're there so.
• 54:21
  Well, that's the perfect Palm Springs cartoon.
• 54:23
  You can put the top down. That'll be That'll be fantastic.
• 54:27
  Might might come home with a friend.
• 54:31
  It's Palm Springs, right? What does that mean?
• 54:34
  I don't. Know.
• 54:37
  I think on that note, we need to make sure that we don't break
• 54:39
  Ryan into jail tonight. I think that's a show, isn't it,
• 54:43
  I? Yeah, I approve this message
• 54:46
  here we. Go Who's going to take us out?
• 54:50
  There could be only one. It's very.
• 54:52
  Kind Well, thank you so much for joining us this week for a crew
• 54:57
  show. I think we all had a really good
• 54:59
  time. We hope that you enjoy listening
• 55:01
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• 55:06
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