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One feminist narrative debunked by women's voices | HBR Talk 293 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk two ninety three, one feminist narrative debunked
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  by women's voices. I'm your host Hannah Wallen, here with nonsense annihilator Lauren
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  Brooks and the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson. And tonight we're going to look
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  at information from researcher indicating yet again feminists have gendered a genderless issue to excuse
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  page. So there, with that out of the way, just want to
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  point out when men's men's advocates discuss either male's male experiences of sexual violence or
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  the subject of false allegations, and in particular false allegations of sexual violence,
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  we are often answered by feminists with claims that sexual violence is a highly prevalent
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  set of crimes that are disproportionately perpetrated by men disproportionately against women, That most
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  men are sexually aggressive, that sexual aggression is a male behavior, that sexual
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  aggression is characteristic of men, blah blah blah, that men need to be
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  taught not to behave this way and that will solve the problem. So feminists
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  portray demonization of men and control of men as the solution to the issue of
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  sexual violence. When they discuss women, they discuss women mostly in terms of
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  victimhood, and they downplay evidence of women's capacity for aggression. So let's take
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  a look at what happens when you actually ask women about their own behavior.
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  And I wanted to have this discussion because of some information that Peter Wright from
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  Gynescentrism dot com and a Voice for Men. He's tweeted out information coming out
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  from the book Sexually Aggressive Women, Current Perspectives and Controversies, edited by Peter
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  B. Anderson and Cindy Struckman Johnson. And this is a this is a
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  book. This isn't new, right, this book came out, Let's see,
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  it's not. It might be this century, but it's not new new
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  No, this book came out in nineteen ninety eight, So this is not
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  a new book. This is not information that just dropped and everybody should be
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  shocked by it. This is information that's been out for a while that feminists
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  just ignore when discussing these issues. But what Peter highlighted, and this is
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  from I actually have the book. I ordered the book because of this discussion
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  and what he highlighted here that I found interesting. We hear about a lot
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  about an old study that a feminist professor did years ago where the professor,
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  and I can't remember male or female professor, but it was a women's studies
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  professor or gender studies professor had given some students extra credit male students extra credit
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  for taking this survey where the professor would ask how likely are you to engage
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  in these behaviors if no one would ever know and there'd be no no consequences.
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  And the behaviors ranged from sexually aggressive but not coercive, like trying to
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  talk somebody into sex without making any threats or anything, to full on forcing
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  someone using physical, physical aggression. And the first question that comes to my
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  mind is, well, when women do it, there are no consequences,
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  right, it's not even necessarily in this in the same way it is the
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  other way around. If you ask a man what he would do if there
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  were no consequences if he did this to a woman, he'd be like,
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  wow, that's going to take me a moment to think about. Yeah,
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  yeah, If I do any of those things, I'll be sent to prison
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  for life and murdered balls first at worst, and have my life ruined forever
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  at best. Or as women are like, hmmm, what if I had
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  sex with a man against his will? Yeah, I've done that and there
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  were no consequences. Yeah, that's exactly the thing. What's worse is the
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  research on which they make this claim that a third of men are sexually aggressive,
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  you know, or would be if there were no consequences. They didn't
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  say yes or no, you know, they said, you know on a
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  scale of I think it was like zero to five, where zero was the
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  no answer, but one to five went ranged from very unlikely to very likely,
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  and if you answered one, that was still considered a yes answer.
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  They reported on it as if it was yes no. And so if,
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  for instance, they asked, you know, how likely are you on a
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  scale of zero at to five to verbally pressure a woman for sex, and
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  a majority of guys answered one, Oh, I would be very unlikely to
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  do that with you know, a lot of guys will answer things in good
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  faith that well, a woman might interpret things differently and feel pressured by things
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  that I didn't intend to be pressuring. So I would say very unlikely,
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  meaning I wouldn't intend to do it, but it might happen from her perspective.
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  Right, that's still answered, still treated as a yes in the actual
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  report where they said a third of men rape, and it was reported widely
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  in mainstream media, the establishment media, that a third of men in this
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  survey had answered yes, they would they would rape if they could get away
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  with it, when in fact, you know, a third of men may
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  have said they'd be very unlikely to do that, where you know, they
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  they might be accused of it, they might interpret something different than the woman
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  did in terms of how willing she was. They might you know, misunderstand
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  things. So they didn't say absolutely not, but they wouldn't intentionally do it.
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  They wouldn't be trying to do it. It would be very unlikely for
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  them to do it, and that is completely dishonest behavior. Right. Since
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  then, there have been other types of research where feminists have come out and
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  said ten percent of men are sexually and there's again at least one of those
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  at least one of those reports had a lot of problems with it in that
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  it was the researcher Lisac used it to claim there was an epidemic of serial
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  rapists on university campus. But then when you looked at his sample, it
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  wasn't university students, it was older men. And it was specific to perpetrators.
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  A lot of the questioning was specific to perpetrators, and what they actually
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  found was that overall, in society, the majority of rape was actually perpetrated.
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  The majority of male perpetrated rape was perpetrated by a very small percentage of
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  the male population who were generally criminally violent and who had committed multiple crimes and
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  admitted to multiple crimes, including serial perpetration of rape, and his research it
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  was like six percent of men, and the Navy had a similar study that
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  showed in the Navy it was like thirteen percent, but it was a broader
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  spectrum of sexual violence, not specific to rape. And this demonstrated that in
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  both studies that perpetrators of sexual violence are not normal individuals that just are you
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  know, one day they decide to rape somebody. It demonstrated that perpetrators of
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  sexual violence are already criminally violent most of the time and are accustomed to using
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  violence to get things they want, have different attitudes about relationships between people and
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  how how you interact with people who you are close to, and therefore their
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  attitudes towards sex sort of follow along with that, and it's more likely that
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  if you're victimized. You're going to be victimized by somebody who is an overall
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  violent person with serious boundary issues rather than your average person. And how such
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  people became that way in the first place is a whole other cattle of fish.
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  Yeah, we've talked about that as well. There is a disproportionate representation
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  among victims or among perpetrators of sexual violence that they were victims during their childhood.
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  And you know, I've come up with sort of a theory about that,
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  I'm not the only one, and that is, if you take a
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  child and you victimize the child, and you raise that child in an environment
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  that's dominated by violence, where the relationships are are not safe relationships, they're
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  they're not trusting relationships, they're not loving and affectionate relationships, they're adversarial relationships,
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  and they're surrounded by violence and they don't have examples of functional, loving
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  partnerships around them. Then they're more likely to grow up to interpret that as
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  how you have relationships with people and develop dysfunctional behavior around that and become sexually
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  violent. And you know, there's there's another direction that can go. If
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  you look at victims of sexual violence, there's a subset that feminists calls poly
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  victims, and it's I suppose that's an okay name, but it makes it
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  sound like you're more than one person as opposed to having been victimized more than
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  once. But there are people who are repeat victims of the no no,
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  no, I I don't like, but I've been yeah, I mean,
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  I've been a repeat victim of violence. And it's people who don't learn to
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  enforce their own boundaries, you know. So you have people who have been
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  victimized as children that don't learn to respect other people's boundaries become sexually violent when
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  they get older. People who don't learn to enforce their own boundaries, like
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  and I had plenty of examples of loving, happy partnerships, functional relationships around
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  me, and I didn't. My household wasn't violent when I was growing up.
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  It was. It was just I did have violence environments that I was
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  in on a regular basis, and you know, I was. I was
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  repeatedly victimized. And I also was a repeat perpetrator of violence in that you
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  get labeled a perpetrator by authorities in the school system or even police if you
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  defend yourself when somebody aggresses against you, and I've defended myself pretty vehemently a
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  few times, So like this is this is one of those things that the
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  pattern obviously starts with being in a lot of people, with being victimized as
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  children, and then not not having the developmental therapy that you need to overcome
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  the wrong things that you've learned from the experiences that you've had, the trauma
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  that you've experienced, or the changes that have been made to your psychology as
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  a result of the trauma that you experienced. So with that in mind,
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  and with the feminist narratives about men being sexually aggressive and women being victims,
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  I want to take a look at this this table that that Peter posted and
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  this this comes from page seventy nine to ninety three the the chapter Current Perspectives
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  and Controversies. The chapter is actually, dang it, I have to look
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  at I have a copy of the page up here. So there we go.
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  Traits and motives. Okay, so the cut yep page that means Hitler.
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  Oh no, well he was pretty pretty violent, so that's appropriate motives
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  for sexual initiation and aggression. But he posted a better copy of the table.
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  So to look at the table here, the writer described this as you
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  know, he'd started The writer of the survey described this as you know,
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  he'd started with questions that were more non threatening to be confronted with things that
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  you don't feel like you're being asked about misbehavior if you're asked about this,
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  and then went on to you know, deeper and deeper levels of aggression.
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  So obviously, in this group of women, and this is this is four
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  hundred and sixty one women women's answers were counted in this. Ninety eight point
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  five percent of them had mutually consenting contact, and ninety five point four percent
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  of them had at least once initiated contact. Well, that's that's not abnormal,
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  that's not surprising. I think both sexes do that. We get told
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  all the time that men want sex and women are gatekeepers. But women initiate
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  sex on a regular basis. We might do it differently, right, and
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  we might flirt and be coy about it, or you know, we might
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  actually be completely bold about it, you know, but we don't have the
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  level of responsibility associated with it that men do. Has any man ever been
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  known to say, not tonight, darling, I have a headache. Yeah,
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  I don't know how true that stereotype is. But well in backache is
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  more likely, but a man is more likely to encounter something along the lines
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  of not tonight, darling, or something a little bit less right, whereas
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  I don't know how true it is that men are always up for it.
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  That seems to be something of a demeaning stereotype, but they generally seem more
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  accommodating. Yeah, because because all a man really needs is a woman who
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  loves him. And generally and in that moment Kauds like the say women are
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  the gatekeepers of sex and and men are the gatekeepers of uh relationships, commitment,
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  commitment. Yeah, so once once a man and a woman are in
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  a committed relationship, the only gate left to be kept is sex. And
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  even even married women will will quite vehemently keep that gate. And it generally
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  only happens when a woman wants it, because otherwise it's right, I mean,
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  that's the that'll be why so much more of it is initiated by the
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  woman. Yeah, although you know, I will say it's it's pretty normal
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  for different different times of day guys to be in different moods different times of
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  day, and they're the older you get. Also there are times when you
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  just are too tired. There are times when you just can't. A guy
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  that has a back injury may have bad back days where you know, the
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  the answer might be okay, but you're gonna have to do all the work,
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  you know, or or I really can't, you know. And the
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  difference is there's no shame associated with a woman saying no, right she's not
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  treated like she's less womanly for not being in the mood. But when a
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  man says no, he gets shamed for it. He gets treated like he's
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  less masculine. If he doesn't want sex right now, if pain keeps him
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  from being able to perform, or if you know, pain makes it so
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  that even if he can perform, he can't be as vigorous on his side
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  of the interaction as he normally would prefer to. And it's what women.
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  What women do sometimes also is is if a man isn't responsive sexually, she'll
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  assume that he's cheating, you know, that he's giving, that he's giving
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  that attention somewhere else so he doesn't have it for her, you know,
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  and she'll flip out in that regard, you know, which completely be completely
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  just untrue. But you know, yeah, he can't. You can't tell
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  a woman no, no, and and you can't even you can't even be
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  turned off by anything about her, right because like a woman can you know,
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  a woman can can overtly admit to being turned off by You've gained weight,
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  you've gotten older, your hair is gray, you've you've had a drop
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  in your income, you said something offensive to me, you know, it's
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  Tuesday, Like, it doesn't matter. A woman can be turned off by
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  anything and be not viewed as unreasonable and also not viewed as being insulting to
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  the guy that that she's telling. You know, she's turned off. Whereas
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  a man who is turned off, if he's turned off because she's not attractive,
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  he's in you know, he's a misogynist. If he's turned off because
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  she insulted him and he's feeling you know, hurt by that, or he's
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  feeling it's it's embarrassed him or made him feel unmanly, and and that turns
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  him off. He can get castigated for that as well. He can get
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  shamed for that, treated like he's trying to control her, you know,
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  all that stuff. If if he's turned off because there's something else he really
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  wants to do right now, and something else is more important to him right
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  now than sex. That's another one, like he gets he gets mistreated for
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  that. So when women, when women initiate sex, women initiate sex at
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  a lower level of risk of rejection than men, and they place their partner
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  on a higher level of automatic obligation than men do when they initiate sex.
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  Does that Does that make sense based on you know, like what we've been
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  talking about. I mean, yeah, okay, so when we look at
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  these top two things, those are not surprising. You overestimated your partner's desire.
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  That's not surprising either. That happens both sexes. Only men get demonized
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  for that too. You attempted to arouse your partner, pretty normal behavior in
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  both sexes. I think eighty five percent is low actually in terms of responses.
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  I think I think that number should probably be equal to the number that
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  have partners in these responses, which is probably a lot higher than that.
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  You said things you did not mean. Oh, you threatened to end the
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  relationship. I skipped that over all. Right, So this is one of
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  the first ones. It's a pretty important one way. When it's called sexually
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  aggressive behavior, as in, you threaten to win a relationship in order to
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  have sex. Is that what that means? Yeah, in order to get
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  sex, you've threatened to end the relationship in order to coerce your partner into
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  sex. This is something that gets called rape when women do it or when
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  men do it. Yeah, I have sex with me, or I'll leave
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  you. That's coercion. Women will talk about this as if a woman cannot
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  turn that down, like if I've been you know, I've been in a
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  lot of different relationships before I got married. You know, I went out
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  with a lot of different people. If you're looking for a partner, you
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  want to know how you interact with with uh, lots of people, and
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  you want to know and a lot of times you go out on a date
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  with somebody and you figure out really quickly that you're meant to be good friends
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  and nothing else. And so, you know, I had a lot of
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  dates like that. And there were there were guys that would put pressure on
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  in like first date and and they want to have sex, and I'm like,
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  not a good idea. You know, we don't we don't even know
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  that much about each other, right, And they're there there were guys that
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  are like, well, I'll never go out with you again, and we're
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  like that's okay. That means we're not compatible. I'm I mean, if
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  that's what you want in a relationship, it's not what I want in a
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  relationship, then neither one of us should go out with the other one.
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  Again, that's pretty cut and dried, But I guess a lot of women,
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  if you tell them that you're going to reject them if they don't have
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  sex with you, don't have the wherewithal to say, oh, well,
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  that means that we're not compatible, Like that would be an incompatibility in my
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  opinion. Well, so they think that means that men are are sexually aggressive,
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  and yet what do we see here thirty one point six percent of women
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  threatening to end the relationship if they don't get sex. It also kind of
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  throws a spanner into the idea that men are the gatekeepers of commitment, where
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  again, you're unlikely to hear a man say if you don't have sex with
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  me, then this relationship is over, when if if they were truly in
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  charge of commitment, that would be exactly the kind of thing they would say.
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  Yeah, but it seems kind of unthinkable doesn't it, well, it
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  would be considered right, like you said, if they actually if it worked
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  as a as a strategy, if we can call it that. And what's
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  interesting is if you look at fault at fault divorce as opposed to no fault
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  divorce, where you have to have grounds for divorce or the divorce cannot be
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  granted. One of the things that has historically been considered grounds for divorce is
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  if one partner just stops having sex with the other partner altogether. So denial
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  of sex is ground for grounds for divorce, and both sexes can do that,
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  and it does put the other person in the fall category. And I
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  recently was told by a practitioner of Islam that this is currently true in Islam,
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  where divorce isn't no fault and you have to have grounds for divorce refusal
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  of sex as grounds for divorce for both the husband and the wife. So
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  if her husband is not having sex with her, a wife can divorce him
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  because of that, and so that's threatening to end the relationship, and it
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  can be done before or after a marriage, but that in the moment threat.
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  You know, obviously there's a spectrum in society's tolerance for that because if
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  you can divorce somebody for not having sex with you, and that's okay,
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  but if you threaten in the moment to end the relationship, that's not okay.
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  Somewhere in between those there's a line that gets crossed, you know.
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  And like I said, from my perspective, if somebody threatens to end a
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  relationship over in the moment, refusal, and especially if you aren't really in
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  a committed relationship like that just is a sign of incompatibility and it's a wise
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  choice to agree and go ahead and go your separate ways. But we did
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  get a super chat from Albert Nadaretro who said, has set his five dollars
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  Canadian said, but haven't you seen wedding crashers forty days and forty nights?
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  Or get him to the Greek women graping men is historical and just ask Amy
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  Schumer and then he later corrected that to hysterical. But yeah, to understand,
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  I grew up watching The East Side Kids, and that's the mahonysm right
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  there. Slip Mahony would say, this woman's historical. Get a doctor so
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  that that that actually made me laugh. That is the perfect typo. That's
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  that's just romance. You see, Amy, she is just a girl boss
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  who knows what she wants. Yeah, yes, she uh, well,
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  when she was a high school has been in a in a college on a
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  college campus. She decided a grape a guy, you know, to renew
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  her self esteem. That's that's how you renew your self esteem. If you're
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  a woman, you find a drunk guy to rape. We've we've we've said
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  rape like twenty times. Oh god, let's go with let's go with grapes.
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  We can call incest insects because I think that's hultarious grape and insects.
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  But anyway, and that in that case though, you know, like what
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  do we call anal? Can we call it banal? Banal? Uh?
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  That's getting worse. So yeah, threatening to in the relationship, saying things
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  you did not mean. I wonder how much overlap there is in between threatening
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  to in the relationship and saying things one does not mean. God, yeah,
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  what if you call her on it? Okay, that's fine. Relationship
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  the door, but they never leave, Oh my gosh. Yeah. And
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  and and actually there is an answer to that, because there was a I
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  I can't remember there was a I think it was a pickup artist. I
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  can't remember there was a pickup artist or a maketoal, but I'm pretty sure
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  it was a pickup artist. It was probably one of the one of the
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  guys that was associated or affiliated with UH like ruche Vie back during that that
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  time period had said something about, you know, because women are able to
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  use coyness where the woman will be coy and then the guy has to figure
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  out what she does or does not want and whether or not he can pursue.
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  And if he does pursue, you know, he's taking cues, he's
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  not getting answers, and at some point there is a type of coyness behavior
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  where you know, you shyly say something along the lines of stop and blush
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  and all that stuff, and the intention is for the guy to continue to
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  pursue so that you can be persuaded so that it's not sex. Wasn't your
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  idea, But sometimes when you know, women say no and they blush,
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  it's because they're embarrassed, and so feminist one it treated like all the time
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  it's the embarrassed thing, and they're trying to get away from you, and
• 30:57
  you're being predatory if you try any further. So one of the guys said,
• 31:03
  all right, you de escalate, but you don't just de escalate a
• 31:07
  little like you get up, leave the room, go make a sandwich or
• 31:10
  something type de escalation, and feminists came out and wrote about that. Well,
• 31:18
  the reason that for that de escalation is if she's really interested, it's
• 31:22
  up to her to do the pursuing now, right, It'll it'll discourage lack
• 31:30
  of of overt communication, like lack of understandable communication by doing that, and
• 31:37
  it's it's expected to, you know, either get her to become the chaser
• 31:48
  instead of the person being chased, or at least to become more communicative and
• 31:53
  start trying to, you know, get you understand she didn't mean it that
• 31:57
  way, right, Like she's said something she did not mean. And feminists
• 32:04
  went ballistic about this, right, they wrote about it like it was rape
• 32:07
  and abusive and manipulative and all kinds of stuff, when actually it was a
• 32:15
  guy taking no for an answer. So, yeah, women saying things they
• 32:21
  do not mean is kind of an interesting question there, because that goes both
• 32:27
  ways, women saying things positively that they don't mean, and women saying things
• 32:34
  negatively that they don't mean, I wonder if this includes makeup. I know
• 32:42
  that's not saying things you did not mean, but deception in general. I'm
• 32:47
  looking down to see if this was Well, I guess that's not a reason
• 32:52
  for having sex. But yeah, I mean, when men say things they
• 32:57
  don't mean to get women to bed, that's also called a form of rape.
• 33:00
  Lying to someone to get into better with them on false pretenses is by
• 33:06
  many feminists, considered some form of rape. I meanwhile, get you get
• 33:10
  these women who are I mean, frankly a one taking themselves up in makeup
• 33:19
  to make themselves look like a ten. And it's you could say, that's
• 33:23
  saying a thing. It's expressing a thing that your face definitely does not mean.
• 33:30
  Yeah, I guess that's another story. Yeah. Well, there's a
• 33:35
  lot of things a woman can say that she doesn't mean. Both sexes can
• 33:38
  say I love you and not mean it, all right, Both sexes can
• 33:44
  pretend to be more turned on than they are. You can say you're the
• 33:47
  daddy. Yeah, you're the daddy, and I mean it. Yeah,
• 33:53
  yeah, you know. Both sexes can say I'm a virgin and mean it,
• 34:01
  you know, or I'm I'm clean, right, I'm not infected with
• 34:07
  anything and not mean it. You know, yes, I was planning to
• 34:13
  do this tonight. Yes I'm sober, Yes I'm on birth control, you
• 34:20
  know, and not mean it. It's a lot of things you can say
• 34:23
  and not mean it that if you were telling the truth, would result in
• 34:29
  a different outcome. Right, said things you did not mean, In other
• 34:34
  words, you lied, pressured with verbal arguments. That one's interesting too,
• 34:42
  because you know, and I'm gonna I'm gonna combine some things here. Pressure
• 34:45
  pressured with verbal arguments, or questioned your partner's sexuality, right, because questioning
• 34:52
  your partner's sexuality is also a verbal argument, and there's probably a lot of
• 34:57
  overlap here as well. Some women probably answered no to the question pressuring with
• 35:06
  verbal arguments and then said yes they questioned their partner sexuality and vice versa.
• 35:10
  But you know, saying saying something along the lines of what are you gay?
• 35:16
  Seems like a verbal argument to me. But interestingly, like here we
• 35:23
  have so far, so about a third of women have threatened to in a
• 35:28
  relationship if they don't get sex right four fists or forefists. Two fifths of
• 35:37
  said things they didn't mean. About a third of pressured with verbal arguments and
• 35:42
  about a third of question their partner sexuality. For saying no, seems pretty
• 35:46
  entitled. If you ask me questions your sexuality is a subset of pressure with
• 35:58
  verbal arguments of anything, if anything, eight should oh no, it should
• 36:04
  be slightly lower, but you think it would be a lot lower, be
• 36:07
  a lot lower. Does that mean only two percent of women have pressured with
• 36:12
  any virgual verbal argument other than you're gay? I think there what the truth
• 36:20
  is. I think there's more women who have pressured with the If you include,
• 36:24
  you know, accusing a guy of being gay, I'll bet the as
• 36:29
  part of pressuring with verbal verbal arguments, you'd probably get about half of women
• 36:32
  answering yes. And you said you've pressured with verbal arguments including you know,
• 36:40
  not limited to, but including questioning your partner sexuality, you probably have about
• 36:45
  half or more women saying yes to that, maybe even as high as two
• 36:50
  thirds. I'm trying to imagine what the other verbal verbal arguments would be,
• 36:57
  like, you know, we need to have sex tonight because I'm ovulating.
• 37:01
  That is one, actually that is that is actually one. If people are
• 37:07
  trying to conceive, you know, and and women will say I'm ovulating tonight
• 37:13
  and this is when needs to happen, or the other one is I'm at
• 37:19
  the the these are the only three days this month that we can we can
• 37:22
  do it where I'm at the least likely to conceive, you know, or
• 37:28
  even just you know you said you would like. All kinds of arguments can
• 37:36
  be made, but probably the most prevalent is, uh, you know,
• 37:38
  questioning the partner sexuality. Possibly, uh, what's the matter? Don't I
• 37:44
  turn you on? Because that puts a guy on his back foot right there.
• 37:46
  It's like, does this do these pants make my ass look fat?
• 37:50
  Right? And Alpha might turn around and say, no, you don't.
• 37:53
  But a lot of guys would be afraid to answer that way. M hm
• 38:01
  does I I kind of wonder how many times verbal arguments include I'll say you
• 38:06
  raped me? Because there have been guys who have been pressured into sects by
• 38:13
  that threat. I'm guessing that doesn't appear as an option because it would be
• 38:19
  somewhat incriminating. Yeah, yeah, no, it doesn't, I guess.
• 38:22
  Yeah. All of those, all of those instances would would fall under number
• 38:27
  seven here yep. So then then there's motivations here. This This is interesting
• 38:35
  too because there's a little set here that I'm gonna like sort of highlight together
• 38:43
  to make someone else jealous, to hurt someone else, to end another relationship.
• 38:50
  Yeah, this, this is this is all. This is some Now,
• 38:53
  maybe this is naive and adorable of me, but I've never understood what
• 38:58
  the fuck a hate fuck is. But it seems to be. It seems
• 39:01
  to be something that the hookup culture generation understands that there are all kinds of
• 39:07
  different folks. There's love folks, there's hate fucks, there's revenge folks.
• 39:13
  That fucking. Nearly fifty percent of all women have answered yes to nine,
• 39:17
  ten and eleven, and these, and these all appear to be some variation
• 39:23
  of a hate fuck, like fucking someone not because you like them, but
• 39:29
  because you don't like someone else, which is mental to me. I don't
• 39:35
  understand this. I would like someone else to explain it to me. Actually
• 39:37
  I wouldn't. I don't even want to know. It sounds like something I
• 39:40
  want to I want to keep my naive, adorable brain free of Yes.
• 39:45
  Please see here. Number eleven is cheating, by the way, that's cheating
• 39:50
  on your partner. You are having sex with another person to end your relationship.
• 39:54
  Or it's getting someone to cheat to end their relationship and skipping down.
• 40:02
  There's a few other ones here before we address the gain, the personal gain,
• 40:07
  to express anger at your partner, to retaliate against your partner, and
• 40:14
  to gain control of your partner. Those all three in addition to nine,
• 40:20
  ten and eleven. You have thirteen, fourteen, and fifteen all could be
• 40:22
  things where definitely thirteen and fourteen and possibly fifteen are things where the individual is
• 40:31
  cheating on a partner in order to achieve these Cheating on a partner to express
• 40:37
  your anger, cheating on a partner to retaliate against the partner, cheating on
• 40:43
  a partner to gain power or control of the partner. And then you have
• 40:52
  number twelve being to gain something from a person in power. So women using
• 40:58
  sex as a weapon, and we have the percentages that we're seeing here Forty
• 41:02
  six point forty seven percent of women have had sex with somebody just to make
• 41:09
  somebody else jealous, forty six point one to hurt someone else, uh forty
• 41:15
  two point six to end another relationship, which is definitely an act of cheating
• 41:23
  twenty four about a quarter of women twenty four point eight to gain something from
• 41:29
  a person in power. All right, so I'm gonna highlight this one for
• 41:32
  a minute. When Costs first released the at the time, it was the
• 41:42
  one in one in eight study, and it became the one in four study
• 41:46
  and then the one in five study. But when cost first released released her
• 41:52
  survey results from Kent State, where she found that one in eight women had
• 41:57
  been sexually assaulted during their lifetime by the time they got onto a university campus,
• 42:04
  and her questions that she had asked came out. One of the questions
• 42:09
  was related to did you ever have sex when you didn't want to because the
• 42:16
  person had power over you or authority over you? And this correlates to that
• 42:27
  did you ever have sex when you didn't want to? Well, this guy
• 42:29
  doesn't turned me on. I don't really want him. I'm not interested in
• 42:31
  having sex. But if I give him a blowjob, I'll get this promotion
• 42:37
  where you raped. Does that constitute rape or does that constitute sexual manipulation?
• 42:47
  I will obligate him to give me this promotion. I can use it against
• 42:52
  him. I will predispose him to be biased in my favor. Like all
• 42:59
  of these things can result from that office blowjob. And and yet the only
• 43:07
  outlook that survey allowed for was coercion of the woman by the man in power.
• 43:17
  And that's the other thing. The original survey was very specific, did
• 43:22
  you did you ever have sex when you didn't want to because a man had
• 43:25
  power over you? I would have thought more people, I mean of the
• 43:35
  men and women, would have would have answered yes. Two. I mean,
• 43:38
  because everyone gains something from from sex, even if it's just an orgasm,
• 43:45
  or even if it's just a moment of pleasure or relief. And person
• 43:52
  in power can be anyone who has the power to to have sex. Arguably,
• 43:59
  any active sex can be called to gain something from person in power.
• 44:04
  It's the most telling thing is there's so few women admitted to it because I
• 44:08
  don't know. I don't know how general we're being, how many things can
• 44:14
  be encompassed by the thing being described. But I guess they're taking it more
• 44:22
  specifically than is possible to take it if you're being as broad as possible.
• 44:27
  And I just read thirteen and fourteen, and I returned to my previous statement,
• 44:32
  how the fuck does anyone have sex to express anger or retaliate against the
• 44:39
  person they're having sex with. I don't understand how that works. It's really
• 44:45
  sociopathic, isn't it? And a third about a third of women have admitted
• 44:51
  to each of those it's really sad. So those are those are behaviors that
• 45:01
  are they're sexually aggressive, but they're not predatory toward the partner. You could
• 45:12
  consider them predatory toward predatory toward the other person if you're not telling the other
• 45:15
  person that you're in a relationship. But I mean, I've witnessed this happen
• 45:23
  in real life. One of one of my acquaintances actually seduced the boyfriend of
• 45:35
  one of my friends when I was in high school. Uh specifically for the
• 45:40
  purpose of getting back at her boyfriend, and she picked my friend's boyfriend because
• 45:47
  she thought her boyfriend was flirting with my friend, so she escalated to cheating
• 45:53
  and just went went really really overboard with him until she got what she wanted
• 46:02
  and broke up both relationships. I'm sure that the guy I wasn't necessarily buddies
• 46:12
  with him, but I'm pretty sure that he was hurt pretty bad by that
• 46:15
  as well, because I mean, imagine the guilt, and I expect she
• 46:22
  probably used some of the tactics we've pointed out here to get what she wanted
• 46:29
  to, and of course it backfired. She ended up, you know,
• 46:36
  being persona on gratis with everybody for what she did. He got condemned for
• 46:40
  falling for it, and the girl, the person that was hurt the most
• 46:46
  was the girl that had nothing to do with it, you know, the
• 46:51
  boyfriend that she was cheating on with this, This girl's boyfriend just got free
• 47:00
  of a bitch. And in my opinion, he won the situation because that
• 47:05
  caused their breakup and he escaped a relationship that was never going to be good.
• 47:12
  Although I think even he probably was embarrassed and felt bad about the situation,
• 47:16
  and the whole time, I'm thinking, like, how would you want
• 47:22
  people to know that you did that? But she did, Like the whole
• 47:30
  thing was really I've seen that, you know, without without revealing too much
• 47:37
  information, that that almost led to uh to physical violence between the two girls.
• 47:45
  And the only thing that prevented it from from leading to physical violence between
• 47:50
  the two girls really was a lack of opportunity. Is that there would have
• 47:54
  been hair pulling and eye scratching and all the all the fun things that girls
• 47:59
  do when they get into fights, So that that kind of that kind of
• 48:06
  shit just does does happen quite a bit, unfortunately. But yeah, so
• 48:13
  we have the the cheating section there and to gain something from a person in
• 48:19
  power. I just got to repeat like that, and I'm pretty sure most
• 48:25
  of the women answering it knew that it was basically about, you know,
• 48:30
  somebody in a position like your boss, your college professor, trying to get
• 48:37
  your grades changed, which is apparently more common than I thought. Like you're
• 48:45
  some you know, trying to get out of a ticket, and like women
• 48:49
  trying to get flirt their way out of a ticket. Things like that.
• 48:53
  Those things happen all the time. Women use sex as a form of currency
• 48:58
  and in a lot of circumstances, and I think, I don't know,
• 49:04
  a lot of people may not understand or recognize that, but the fact is
• 49:08
  it's a very common behavior. I think it is a low answer. I
• 49:12
  think a lot of women maybe don't admit they're doing it when they do it,
• 49:20
  but they do, they do engage in the behavior. So now we're
• 49:25
  going to get into the behaviors that are flat out rape, starting with number
• 49:35
  sixteen, while he was drunk or stoned. This is one that there's been
• 49:42
  a lot of campus activism going clear back to the seventies to get men uniquely
• 49:52
  to understand that if a woman is drunk or stone she can't consent to sex.
• 49:58
  That's and it's unique allegations against men that men uniquely do not understand this.
• 50:06
  That's that's the allegation that feminists make. But what do we see in
• 50:10
  this survey? Sixty two point four percent of respondents. Female respondents said that
• 50:16
  they had engaged in sex with a guy while he was drunk or stoned,
• 50:23
  and thirty six point five admitted they had obtained sex by getting him drunk or
• 50:29
  stoned. Yeah, the first is you'd think it would be more common because
• 50:38
  people get pretty, people typically get pretty horny when they're drunk or stone and
• 50:45
  by separating sixteen and seventeen suggests that it was all done consensually and voluntarily,
• 50:54
  and people get voluntarily drunk all the time. And it's kind of un likely
• 51:00
  for a couple never to have sex when they're drunk, and unless they're completely
• 51:05
  tea total or or or if they like drinking, but they never have sex
• 51:08
  when they're drunk, which is seems very unlikely. But yeah, yeah,
• 51:15
  it's it's the second one that that that's that that really stinks of raperness.
• 51:21
  Does does that mean you specifically got the drunk cs stone for the sake of
• 51:24
  having sex with them? Yeah? I presume it does. Yeah, that's
• 51:30
  what that means. You you obtained sex by getting him drunk or stoned.
• 51:34
  That was answered yes by thirty six point five percent of the respondents, so
• 51:39
  more than a third, more than a third of of of girls, just
• 51:49
  slightly more than a third of college college gals said yes, you know like
• 51:54
  this, these respondents, I think we're all at universities that they had they
• 52:00
  had used, that they had committed alcohol or drug facilitated rape by any definition
• 52:07
  that feminists give to it and that the law gives to it. I was
• 52:12
  about to say, does that include if you buy him a drink? But
• 52:15
  then I remember women don't traditionally buy drinks for men. No, they don't
• 52:21
  traditionally buy them, So you serve them at home though, Yeah, that's
• 52:28
  It'd be interesting to see how how men answered this and how we would differentiate
• 52:34
  that. And if you wonder how many times you simply buy a girl a
• 52:37
  drink as is traditional as a as a courting sort of ritual. It's not
• 52:45
  that you're trying to get them drunk. Is that you're trying to break the
• 52:49
  ice, right, But women don't generally do that. I mean this was
• 52:54
  the late nineties, right, I mean that there was still a lot of
• 53:00
  is just doing it for themselves shit going on at the time, but it
• 53:04
  was still I would think that that mainly refers to when you've gone back to
• 53:10
  the dorm or whatever it is, and then and then they think, how
• 53:16
  am I going to get this guy in bed? I know, but yeah,
• 53:22
  all of this is conjecture. There's there's so little information here that most
• 53:27
  of the saying is is conjecture. Well, what's interesting is, you know
• 53:31
  the thing about like alcohol facility rape facilitated rape of a woman is not difficult
• 53:40
  in that there is no level at which she ceases to become unable to be
• 53:50
  penetrated, right, But there is whiskey dick like that that does happen.
• 53:57
  And it's one of those things that that is highlighted in the story. Amy
• 54:04
  Schumer told at the that that feminist gala where she talked about the incident in
• 54:12
  college when when one of her old high school classmates called her up when he
• 54:22
  was drunk, probably after a night of drinking and invited her over and tried
• 54:28
  his best to have sex with her, but was so drunk that he couldn't
• 54:31
  perform and kept passing out in the middle of it. And she talked about
• 54:39
  that as a low point in her self esteem and climbing out of her self
• 54:45
  esteem issues as a result of realizing in that moment, you know, that
• 54:51
  she'd hit rock bottom. Without ever considering that, she just admitted that as
• 54:57
  a completely stone cold, sober in she went to another person's place of residence,
• 55:05
  saw how drunk they were, went inside, and then proceeded to attempt
• 55:10
  sex and penetrative sex at that. Like, that's pretty much admitting that she
• 55:20
  raped him. But feminists never saw it that way. They called her speech
• 55:25
  courageous. It could be a fake story, that could be that that never
• 55:31
  actually happened. But according to feminists, even telling a story like that makes
• 55:37
  you an egregious, horrible person, except if you're any Schumer, and then
• 55:40
  it's all right. Whiskey dick is largely a myth, by the way,
• 55:46
  I'm sure, I'm sure to some extent, there are some anecdotes that some
• 55:51
  men could tell. But yeah, if you're hony enough, then no amount
• 55:54
  of whiskey, you can hold it back. It depends on the situation,
• 56:00
  how it affects your nervous system. It goes for any drug. By the
• 56:05
  way, I've done a lot of drugs in my life, and I've never
• 56:07
  encountered one that makes a boner completely impossible. But none of that's the point,
• 56:13
  because all you need to make a bone I possible is friction. Well,
• 56:17
  it's something along those lines. A man can get an erection in his
• 56:20
  sleep, yeah, and you can't get You can't get more drunk or stone
• 56:24
  than being asleep because your brain's swimming in you know, your own homegrown d
• 56:31
  MT or something. And this myth needs to be knocked on the head because
• 56:37
  it suggests the idea that well, no matter how much whiskey a guy is
• 56:42
  drunk, if he gets hard, that means he's up for it. No,
• 56:44
  it doesn't. No, I can get hard for any reason at all.
• 56:49
  And and I mean you can be aroused and still have reasons to say
• 56:55
  no. Both sexes can can you know, like, you can be in
• 57:00
  a you can be in the mood. You can be you can really really
• 57:05
  want to fuck somebody's brains out and have very good reasons to not do it,
• 57:12
  and if you you know, say no and you don't pursue the action
• 57:17
  and you you know, try to resist or you're passed out or whatever,
• 57:23
  anything other than enthusiastic participation, anything other than interactive participation where where both sexes
• 57:32
  are actively engaged in the act, like is obviously you know, not okay.
• 57:40
  But it's only recognized that women might be in that situation where it's not
• 57:49
  it's not treated the same one it's a guy. So say a woman wants
• 57:52
  to maintain her virginity until she gets married, but this guy that she's with
• 57:59
  really turned on, and even if he's not the guy, like, there's
• 58:04
  something about him that really turns her on. If she makes that known without
• 58:10
  maybe intending to do anything about it, and then says, but I'm not
• 58:15
  going to it's not that I don't want to, it's that we can't.
• 58:20
  We shouldn't. I'm trying to stay a virgin whatever. That's expected that he
• 58:24
  will respect that right. But if a guy says I'm remaining celibate until marriage,
• 58:34
  it can become a goal for a woman to change his mind on that,
• 58:37
  and she's not viewed as predatory, like that's bullshit too, because again,
• 58:47
  you know, just because just because you want something doesn't mean you agree
• 58:53
  to it, And consent is about agreeing to something, not just about wanting
• 58:59
  or not wanting. But in terms of whiskey dick, it can exist,
• 59:04
  and an erection still doesn't count as consent for that reason and many others.
• 59:10
  And there are other things that can cause erection to not work. We won't
• 59:15
  have to go all over all the health conditions that can affect that. It
• 59:20
  obviously relies on your nerve health and your vascular health, and so there is
• 59:27
  all that. But even even if a guy is quite obviously thoroughly aroused,
• 59:37
  even if it's obvious that he is really interested, would really like to just
• 59:46
  fuck a girl's brains out, if he's declining to do so, it's still
• 59:53
  rape if she overrides his choice in the matter. It doesn't matter whether whether
• 1:00:04
  you know he likes it or not. It doesn't matter whether he is interested
• 1:00:09
  or not. It doesn't matter whether he's turned on or not. It matters
• 1:00:13
  what he intends to do and not do, and whether his choice in the
• 1:00:17
  matter is overridden. That's a big deal that that we acknowledge that for women,
• 1:00:25
  but not for men. That's one big thing that has to change,
• 1:00:29
  especially since uh, you know, you get a you get a gal in
• 1:00:34
  that situation and her choice gets overridden, she has legal recourse and she isn't
• 1:00:42
  held legally responsible. So if she gets pregnant, she has recourse, you
• 1:00:47
  know, in terms of being able to give up the baby, being able
• 1:00:52
  to have an abortion if she if she uh you know, gets uh sexually
• 1:00:59
  transmitted infection, she can sue and her medical bills will be paid. You
• 1:01:06
  know. She she gets help, she can go to rape crisis centers for
• 1:01:08
  help and so on. But in the same situation, if that is done
• 1:01:15
  to to a guy where his choice is overridden, uh, and then you
• 1:01:21
  know, he gets ridiculed for well, you must have wanted it because you
• 1:01:23
  had interaction and all kinds of other things. If she gets pregnant, he
• 1:01:30
  doesn't have the recourse of being able to say, well, I didn't want
• 1:01:32
  to do this and I don't want to be a dad. He has no
• 1:01:36
  control over the outcome there, and he has no control even over his obligation
• 1:01:43
  is level of obligation in regard to that outcome. He can't get away from
• 1:01:47
  that. Rape crisis centers aren't going to help him. He his you know,
• 1:01:53
  any any infection that he is is afflicted with. No, it's it
• 1:02:00
  his own fault because he had sex with that woman, right, And it
• 1:02:02
  doesn't matter that it's the same situation. Our society, our legal system,
• 1:02:10
  our social system doesn't care the same. So so the act of just mean
• 1:02:19
  we're moving on to eighteen. Yeah, the act of of of using alcohol
• 1:02:23
  or drugs to get sex from a guy who's you know, to override a
• 1:02:29
  guy's choice. Again, very rape, and about a third of the women
• 1:02:34
  said yes to it while he was a minor, so using this and you
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  were not, yeah, using his age to override his ability to consent or
• 1:02:47
  refuse when you were in a position of power because you were an adult.
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  This is a third, almost a third of women admitting to being nonsense.
• 1:03:00
  Mm hm, I mean, fuck all the rest of it. What the
• 1:03:06
  fuck is that a third of women are nonsens. Bruh, bruh. I
• 1:03:15
  don't even know what else to say. Bruh. And they'll condemn they'll probably
• 1:03:22
  you know, I will remind you these are university students and they may be
• 1:03:27
  answering questions about at the age of say eighteen or nineteen years old, about
• 1:03:35
  sixteen or seventeen year old teenagers, not five year olds. But when the
• 1:03:44
  genders are reversed and you have a nineteen year old with a seventeen year old
• 1:03:49
  or a sixteen year old, it is considered to be predatory. When you
• 1:03:55
  get up into the twenties, right, twenty twenty one, twenty two,
• 1:04:00
  especially twenty two or twenty three, because now you're old enough to have graduated
• 1:04:03
  from university with a teaching certificate, and you might be old enough you might
• 1:04:11
  be in a position where you are that that sixteen year old or seventeen year
• 1:04:15
  old's school teacher. But when you have that while he was a minor and
• 1:04:23
  you were not, you know, you have that that turned around to well,
• 1:04:30
  she was a minor and you were not. It is automatically always viewed
• 1:04:33
  as predatory. It is automatically always viewed as pedophilia. And again when not,
• 1:04:44
  we were not furnished with enough information to differentiate this. We don't know
• 1:04:48
  how many of them were twenty one year olds who who facts I don't even
• 1:04:57
  want to say year olds. I guess they certainly wouldn't admit have admitted to
• 1:05:02
  that if they were usd H would they. I mean, it's presumably an
• 1:05:08
  anonymous thing, and you don't know how many women I'm completely unaware that any
• 1:05:13
  of this shit is morally or legally wrong. And yeah, some degrees not
• 1:05:17
  legally wrong because in practice they kind of can get away with it. Yeah,
• 1:05:25
  and the thing that that captures is limited because there are What they didn't
• 1:05:33
  ask about was with someone who was significantly younger than you while you were both
• 1:05:42
  minors. And I don't know how it is now, but as a gen
• 1:05:49
  xer, when I was a little kid, and my parents would hire a
• 1:05:56
  babysitter, you know, we're talking somebody who might be young enough that they
• 1:06:00
  had to drive to her house to pick her up to bring her to our
• 1:06:04
  house to babysit. So fifteen years old, right, And I think the
• 1:06:11
  oldest babysitter that I had as a little kid that I really remember was probably
• 1:06:16
  eighteen or nineteen and had been a babysitter for a while. And I was
• 1:06:24
  babysitting kids when I was fifteen years old, fifteen, sixteen years old,
• 1:06:30
  and you know, like I didn't have much of a babysitting career because I
• 1:06:35
  was working as a photographer, but that's about the age group. You hire
• 1:06:42
  a teenager to babysit your kids for a few hours so you can go to
• 1:06:45
  a movie in there are stories like this is not something that happened in my
• 1:06:53
  sphere of existence, but there are stories that I have heard from guys where
• 1:06:59
  their first sexual experience was being molested by their babysitter. And so if a
• 1:07:09
  lot of people hired underage teenagers to babysit their kids, those girls wouldn't answer
• 1:07:15
  yes to that question, right, So this is beside that number nineteen by
• 1:07:26
  using your position of power or authority. So here we have the very type
• 1:07:34
  of question that is label has been labeled rape since at least nineteen eighty four,
• 1:07:40
  when Costs put it on her her survey that you know, have you
• 1:07:46
  ever had sex when you didn't want to because a man in a position,
• 1:07:53
  because a man had power authority over you. Here we are full circle.
• 1:08:00
  Twenty six point five by a quarter of women have admitted to obtaining sex by
• 1:08:04
  using a position of power of authority, power or authority, So they'd have
• 1:08:09
  admitted to preying on somebody who was in a position where saying no had consequences
• 1:08:17
  that were intolerable. Bosses, teachers, babysitters. Babysitters babysitters might be incorporated
• 1:08:30
  into that answer by taking advantage of a compromising position. That's a little vague,
• 1:08:45
  but it's kind of interesting, by threatening to use physical force. So
• 1:08:49
  both of those more than a quarter slightly more than a quarter threatening to use
• 1:08:56
  physical force women threatening to use physical force to get sex. More than a
• 1:09:00
  quarter of women admitted that right. One in five women admitted using physical force.
• 1:09:14
  Now, threatening to use physical force could mean holding up a weapon such
• 1:09:17
  as a gun or anything else using physical forces, which that actually means actually
• 1:09:27
  hurting them with the aforementioned weapon. Yeah, or physically overpowering someone, which
• 1:09:34
  which sounds unlikely given physiology. But yeah, the mind boggles as to what
• 1:09:42
  that even means. Well, you think about it. There are guys who
• 1:09:49
  are so trained to not act aggressively, act violently in any way toward a
• 1:09:58
  woman that they would not fight back like they would be it be like being
• 1:10:08
  attacked by a kitten. You know, you wouldn't know what to do in
• 1:10:15
  that situation. And then there are women who when they become physically aggressive,
• 1:10:24
  they they become the way people are. You know, how you hear stories
• 1:10:30
  of people in moments of great duress, they're adrenaline kicks in and they they
• 1:10:39
  they show feats of strength that they wouldn't be able to duplicate without that adrenaline
• 1:10:45
  burst. I've seen women do that when they're mad or in the midst of
• 1:10:53
  another strong emotion. And I've seen women smaller than me overpower men bigger and
• 1:11:00
  stronger than me in the midst of a temper tantrum. And a part of
• 1:11:05
  it is that they do have a strength increase and a speed increase. And
• 1:11:13
  part of it is that women are more agile, women can bend more.
• 1:11:18
  Women women can and they're more flexible. Right, And so you end up
• 1:11:25
  in a situation where it is a lot like being in a fight with a
• 1:11:28
  cat that is almost as big as you are. I thought somebody was speaking.
• 1:11:38
  I think Lauren was just making an emotional noise. Yeah, falling asleep.
• 1:11:44
  No, I'm here, I'm not falling asleep. It's difficult to fall
• 1:11:47
  asleep in light of all this information. But yeah, let's not forget as
• 1:11:53
  as difficult as any of this is to comprehend. Having sex by using physical
• 1:11:59
  force has a very unambiguous name, doesn't it. Yeah, it's by any
• 1:12:08
  stretch of the definition, it is called rape. I was about to say
• 1:12:12
  grape, but let's let's really not mince words. Now, twenty percent of
• 1:12:15
  women, that's one in every five women have admitted to raping yep, full
• 1:12:23
  on raping, like no, no two ways about it, actually full on,
• 1:12:28
  by any given possible definition, raping, yep. And then then we
• 1:12:35
  also have some some things that work for women that don't necessarily work as well
• 1:12:43
  for men. Threatening self harm and woman gets a guy to have sex with
• 1:12:49
  her by threatening to kill herself if she doesn't if he doesn't do it,
• 1:12:54
  or to injure herself if he doesn't do it seven point four almost ten percent
• 1:12:59
  of women, So like that, that's another one that that that's coercion.
• 1:13:06
  And then threatening him with a weapon is a threat of physical violence, threat
• 1:13:11
  of harm. So we have the bottom four we have twenty seven percent.
• 1:13:16
  By threatening physical force twenty seven point eight percent, so almost twenty eight percent,
• 1:13:23
  And that is under most Western law, threat of use of physical force
• 1:13:30
  makes a sex act rape if if it's not a BDSIM act, when it's
• 1:13:36
  you know, do this or I will, and and it's used to overcome
• 1:13:41
  a refusal using physical force to get sex against the other person's will. Rape.
• 1:13:46
  Threatening self harm is form of coercion, which makes it rape, and
• 1:13:53
  threatening with a weapon is threatening to use physical force. Probably all of the
• 1:14:00
  women who said they threatened with a weapon answered that they had threatened to use
• 1:14:04
  physical force, so that would probably fall in. I would say those would
• 1:14:14
  have one hundred percent overlap for the weapon users. But between all of those,
• 1:14:21
  about a third of women have admitted not that they would, but that
• 1:14:28
  they have raped somebody. And this was in nineteen ninety eight. These numbers
• 1:14:35
  haven't gone down since then. The women who responded to the survey, the
• 1:14:40
  vast majority of them, are still alive today and can only possibly have committed
• 1:14:45
  more of these offenses ever since then. And do you think it's gone up
• 1:14:49
  or down since then as feminism has got its clause further and further into the
• 1:14:57
  two generations following this survey. Oh, I'm sure it's gone up. Yeah,
• 1:15:03
  you know, I'm sure it's gone up because they're not pushing the idea
• 1:15:08
  that these are our behaviors that constitute sexual violence no matter who does them.
• 1:15:17
  So I'm sure that it's gone up. Excuse me, sorry for burping it
• 1:15:24
  you guys. I'm drinking water here so that I can actually talk without sounding
• 1:15:30
  horrible. It's really bad if I if I don't wet my whistle, I
• 1:15:35
  sound like hid the sloth. So going to the copy of the page that
• 1:15:43
  I have, and this this image, you can see the list is right
• 1:15:46
  there. One of the things that I will point out this was a survey
• 1:15:54
  of it was more than four hundred and seventy six question or No, four
• 1:16:00
  hundred seventy six questionnaires were distributed, fifteen came back with in with enough missing
• 1:16:05
  data to make them unusable for statistical analysis. So four hundred and sixty one
• 1:16:13
  is the overall response rate of ninety six point eight percent of the women who
• 1:16:17
  were given the questionnaires. They were predominantly single, heterosexual, raised in households
• 1:16:25
  headed by professionals or executives twenty one or younger. So we're not talking twenty
• 1:16:30
  two to twenty three year olds here, but there were still talking like that
• 1:16:36
  question about having had sex with a minor when you were an adult, that
• 1:16:41
  would have made them eighteen, nineteen, twenty or twenty one. There's four
• 1:16:44
  years there during which they were adults already. Yeah, and they were not
• 1:16:53
  adversarial in their beliefs, so they didn't view relationships as as a conflict.
• 1:17:01
  Some people do. It took me years to understand that that's that's a reality.
• 1:17:08
  Some people view their relationship as a conflict with another person, Like why
• 1:17:13
  would you seek out relationships if you felt that way about them? But interestingly,
• 1:17:18
  you remember we talked about in previous episodes that a and we talked about
• 1:17:24
  in this as well. A significant portion of the population of sexual predators has
• 1:17:32
  a you know, like disproportionately represented among them. In fact, has experienced
• 1:17:39
  sexual abuse of some kind in their past. And in this group, approximately
• 1:17:45
  forty three percent had had had experienced past sexual abuse of some kind. And
• 1:17:53
  additionally, fifty seven percent knew of friends or family who had been abused.
• 1:17:57
  So there are aware of abuse, they'd experience abuse, and they had abusive
• 1:18:00
  behaviors. And it's important to point out that these are college women, right,
• 1:18:08
  that doesn't necessarily represent women as a whole. I'm sure you'll know the
• 1:18:14
  general difference between college girls and everyone else. There are a bunch of fucking
• 1:18:19
  Marxists, That's what I'm going Well, it might also be immature and engaging
• 1:18:25
  in behaviors that later in life they'll be embarrassed that they did that. Yeah,
• 1:18:32
  like I say, it has probably got worse since then. And yeah,
• 1:18:41
  this it's four hundred seventy one is a fairly small amount, and some
• 1:18:46
  statisticians might say that's not enough to get to get significant results. But it's
• 1:18:53
  reasonably significant, especially considering it's anonymous. And it doesn't tell us as much
• 1:19:00
  about women on the whole than it tells us about the kind of women who
• 1:19:05
  go to college. Yeah, which is well, largely you know, rich,
• 1:19:10
  affluent women who already have plumbs in their mouths and silver spoons in the
• 1:19:15
  butts and what have you. Right. It Also, it also kind of
• 1:19:18
  gives you an idea of a lot of the behaviors in question for both sexes.
• 1:19:26
  A lot of the behaviors in question might just be behaviors that are common
• 1:19:30
  when someone is younger and not so common among people who are older. But
• 1:19:36
  then we look at so Peter posted this, and I will point out and
• 1:19:42
  it's I'm trying to get this to show. I'm gonna have to move the
• 1:19:49
  window because let's see, I should have gotten white space at the bottom of
• 1:19:57
  the page, but at the bottom of the page we see. Because one
• 1:20:00
  purpose of this study was to document the range of college women's sexual aggression,
• 1:20:05
  it is important to note that between twenty six percent and forty three percent of
• 1:20:11
  all of the women respondents reported engaging in strategies that would be traditionally defined as
• 1:20:17
  coercive if applied to male relationships or male respondents. And that's something that I
• 1:20:25
  kind of tried to emphasize earlier. These are behaviors that feminists have used citation
• 1:20:32
  of and description of men engaging in as their fodder for lobbying for a reduction
• 1:20:43
  of due process rights, an intimate partner in sexual violence, and as the
• 1:20:48
  reason that campus authorities or campus administrators should have to pay feminist organizations to send
• 1:20:59
  education in with materials to teach male students about consent. So their grift is
• 1:21:06
  based on attributing these behaviors to men, and uniquely to men. But one
• 1:21:15
  in five to two in five of women admit to them, and they run
• 1:21:24
  from lying, threatening to end a relationship, verbal pressure to have sex to
• 1:21:32
  twenty six to thirty six percent of women reporting abusive behaviors using your position of
• 1:21:40
  power, getting him drunk or drugged, taking advantage while he's in a compromising
• 1:21:45
  position. Compromising position could be things like he's passed out, he's unable to
• 1:21:56
  move, he's in a position where he can't how you know, where he
• 1:22:01
  can't stop you from doing what you're doing. And then and that's that's again
• 1:22:10
  one in four to yeah, one in four to one in three. Approximately,
• 1:22:21
  let's see, approximately twenty percent of the women reported using physical force,
• 1:22:27
  twenty seven percent threat of physical force, and nine percent a weapon to obtain
• 1:22:31
  sexual contact with a male partner. So he's going over this. This looks
• 1:22:38
  like if you judge narratives on sexual violence feminist narratives on sexual violence by what
• 1:22:49
  women admit about their own behavior in the context of sexual relationships and dating relationships,
• 1:22:59
  you pretty much to debunk the idea that sexual violence is a gendered behavior
• 1:23:04
  that is used by the male population to keep the female population under control.
• 1:23:12
  And if we go to when I saw this, I initially thought it was
• 1:23:16
  a different study because this is something that I've known about for a while.
• 1:23:21
  I thought, oh, yeah, he's citing the study. Let's see the
• 1:23:27
  name of this. I'm gonna have to actually look at it to read it
• 1:23:30
  off, because it's a long name. It's a mouthful. Sexually violent women
• 1:23:34
  The pid dash five Everyday Sexism and Adversarial Sexual Attitudes predict Female sexual aggression and
• 1:23:43
  coercion against male victims by Tiffany D. Russell, Corey M. Doan,
• 1:23:49
  and Alan R. King. No, No, this is also not new
• 1:23:55
  research. This is research that I've known about for a while as well.
• 1:24:00
  And I pointed out and highlighted this is from the the research, and I
• 1:24:08
  said, I thought when I first saw the post by Peter, I thought
• 1:24:12
  it linked to that study. But it's a different study. So this study.
• 1:24:16
  The significant thing about this study, and this is another There were two
• 1:24:21
  surveys done here. One was done in a university four hundred and thirty nine
• 1:24:27
  sample size, and one was done nationally with a five hundred and ninety two
• 1:24:32
  size sample size, and overall, ten percent of women reported sexual violence perpetration.
• 1:24:42
  But the national sample rate, which was thirteen percent reporting sexual violence perpetration,
• 1:24:48
  was more than twice as high as the student rates. So remember why
• 1:24:55
  I was before hinting about, well, you know, maybe it is just
• 1:24:57
  a maturity. It might be, it might not be. It's very possible
• 1:25:05
  that, you know, guys suffer consequences when they engage in this type of
• 1:25:12
  behavior, right, they have they lose relationships, they get in trouble with
• 1:25:19
  authorities, their reputation is damaged, their career path can be damaged. Gals
• 1:25:28
  when they engage in behavior like this, a lot of times it's the guy
• 1:25:32
  that suffers repercussions. Right, If he complains, he's shamed for it.
• 1:25:40
  If she's embarrassed, she can turn it around and make an accusation against him.
• 1:25:46
  So it's very possible, based on this other study, that as women
• 1:25:51
  get older, these numbers get worse. I don't know, di I lose
• 1:26:01
  you guys. No, I'm just leaving a pregnant pause because I thinkant a
• 1:26:05
  pregnant pause is opposite for the situation. Yeah, I imagine we will look
• 1:26:15
  at this and consider the possibility that is these women get older, the behaviors
• 1:26:19
  get worse, and then we go back and look at this image where is
• 1:26:23
  it there it is and some of the higher up things here where women might
• 1:26:30
  not think of them as predatory. I just want to remind you that sixty
• 1:26:38
  two point four percent of women have acknowledged having sex with a guy when he
• 1:26:43
  was drunk or stoned, and from within that thirty six point five percent said
• 1:26:48
  they used getting him drunk or stoned to get sex, and now is at
• 1:26:58
  twenty one year olds. That was among the twenty one year olds. Obviously,
• 1:27:05
  the top number is not gonna double, but it's very possible that the
• 1:27:10
  bottom number does. And if one in five female university students is admitting to
• 1:27:26
  using physical force to get sex, and that number gets worse. If it's
• 1:27:38
  more than one in five, right, about one in three admit to having
• 1:27:45
  sex with a guy while he is a minor and they are not, and
• 1:27:47
  that number gets worse. There goes feminist narrative altogether. One did it were?
• 1:28:01
  And that's that's not the only thing that's in this book. If if
• 1:28:04
  you are a student of this particular subject in a partner in sexual sexual violence
• 1:28:13
  and in particular the gender dynamics of sexual violence and how it affects victims,
• 1:28:21
  how it affects you know, the pattern of sexual violence in society in the
• 1:28:28
  future, and so on, probably would be a good idea to get a
• 1:28:32
  copy of this book. It's on Amazon. Sexually Aggressive Women, Current Perspectives
• 1:28:38
  and Controversies, edited by Peter B. Anderson and Cindy Struckman Johnson, and
• 1:28:43
  it is. That's what this is. Women who are admitting to these behaviors.
• 1:28:46
  These are women who are acknowledging what they did. One of the claims
• 1:28:54
  that feminists make is that sexual predators don't tell on themselves. So all these
• 1:29:01
  admissions, women who use sex as a weapon to hurt their partner, women
• 1:29:09
  who have engaged in predatory sexual activities. In a minute, it they might
• 1:29:14
  actually be low in terms of actual perpetration. There might actually be more women
• 1:29:20
  than this doing these things, not even a case of them telling on themselves.
• 1:29:26
  Again, assuming it's it's an anonymous survey, it's a lot of women.
• 1:29:30
  A lot of women don't think they've done anything wrong. People who have
• 1:29:36
  been ideologically told that they're allowed to get away with anything because they haven't done
• 1:29:44
  anything wrong will assume to themselves that they haven't done anything wrong. So whenever
• 1:29:48
  they're asked a questions that's framed in terms of how it sounds like it might
• 1:29:54
  be the wrong thing to do, they'll be like, well, no,
• 1:29:57
  that sounds like it's a wrong thing to do, so I clearly have done.
• 1:30:00
  Yeah, you can't do You can't do a wrong thing to a man,
• 1:30:03
  so so no, I haven't done this, So the idea that these
• 1:30:09
  that these results are so high, see, it's probably low balling exactly on
• 1:30:16
  every account. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is really scary. So
• 1:30:25
  with that, I'm not going to make I'm not gonna drag this one out
• 1:30:27
  because this is about as long as I can talk about this, I think
• 1:30:30
  tonight. It's a it's a rough subject, but it's one that's very important
• 1:30:36
  to pay attention to, and I just want to remind everybody, like my
• 1:30:42
  opening description of this, When men's advocates discuss either male experiences of sexual violence
• 1:30:47
  or the subject of false allegations, we're often answered with claims that sexual violence
• 1:30:53
  is a highly prevalent set of crimes that are disproportionately perpetrated by men, and
• 1:30:58
  that most men are sexually aggressive, and that sexual aggression is a male behavior.
• 1:31:04
  And here we see that it's a human behavior, male and female,
• 1:31:10
  that it's a subset of humans that engage in a broad spectrum of sexual aggression.
• 1:31:16
  I will bet that among these answers there's a lot of overlap where among
• 1:31:24
  the people that answered that they used nefarious ways to get sex from a partner
• 1:31:30
  against the partner's better judgment or against the partner's will, the same people probably
• 1:31:36
  were answering yes to most of those like and the people that answered yes to
• 1:31:42
  the ones that are more rarely perpetrated behaviors probably also were the ones, you
• 1:31:48
  know, a large percentage of the ones answering yes to the more prevalent behaviors.
• 1:31:54
  And in terms of the use of sex as a means to hurt someone
• 1:31:59
  or upset set someone to take revenge on someone, basically using sex as a
• 1:32:04
  weapon against another person, those probably had a lot of overlap as well.
• 1:32:10
  And the people who answered no to these questions probably were all, you know,
• 1:32:19
  similar you know, group of people at both parts of that that probably
• 1:32:26
  most of the people who said no to using sex as a weapon also said
• 1:32:31
  no to using coercive or violent means to get sex. But you know that
• 1:32:41
  that's the same with men, right, And we get told that that's not
• 1:32:46
  true of men, that people who aren't responsible for these behaviors, who aren't
• 1:32:53
  engaging in these behaviors aren't are also not responsible for perpetuating them. And I
• 1:33:00
  think that they would acknowledge with regard to women, that there are two sets
• 1:33:05
  of people. People with serious boundary issues and issues of failing to recognize that
• 1:33:17
  other people have the right to say no, versus people who don't have those
• 1:33:23
  issues, who do recognize that other people have the right to say no.
• 1:33:26
  It's just we need to recognize that that's true of men as well, that
• 1:33:30
  a large segment of the male population would have answered no to all of these
• 1:33:33
  questions, and they don't deserve to be presumed guilty of having yes in their
• 1:33:40
  head. I wasn't punching him, I was just hitting him. Never forget
• 1:33:47
  he had you know that it could be like he wasn't you know he was
• 1:33:51
  thirteen and I was twenty. I doesn't count YEP, So it is obviously
• 1:34:01
  it's it's egregiously wrong when feminists discuss women only in terms of victimhood and downplay
• 1:34:08
  evidence of women's capacity for violence, and discuss men only in terms of perpetratorhood,
• 1:34:13
  right, and and discuss only men's capacity for violence. I I would
• 1:34:18
  say, any time that you are confronted with with that kind of discussion,
• 1:34:28
  these two surveys should be in your bookmarks. Uh where these two at least
• 1:34:34
  the one the the one that I've gotten my bookmarks, is easy to find
• 1:34:40
  online. I'm not sure, I haven't looked to see if this one that
• 1:34:43
  Peter cited is also online, but the book is available through Google Books,
• 1:34:50
  and I would bookmark both of these tweets, you know, find both of
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  these tweets and I linked them in the low bar and and definitely make reference
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  to them when when you're in those discussions, because it's something that feminists can't
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  deny and it's important to move the Overton window on this. We need people
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  to understand this information. If you wanted to actually reduce sexual violence, if
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  you actually wanted to ensure that fewer perpetrators are perpetrating right and fewer individuals are
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  being victimized, and then as the generations progress, those numbers continue to get
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  smaller. You would want to address what's really happening, and you'd want to
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  figure out what causes it to happen again in the next generation, in the
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  next and the next, and you'd want to provide therapies for victims and conflict
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  management for you know, training for people, and education for young people to
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  understand each other's each other's boundaries and be able to negotiate relationships without having these
• 1:36:02
  things happen. But you'd have to be able to admit women's actions matter.
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  You'd have to be able to admit that when women do things, it's their
• 1:36:15
  own fault that they did them, and when those things have consequences for somebody
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  else, When someone else is hurt by something a woman did, it's not
• 1:36:26
  an unrelated coincidence that this individual has hurt. It's not the other person being
• 1:36:35
  unreasonable. It's a woman hurt this person, a girl hurt this person.
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  So all right with that, I'm going to go ahead and get into the
• 1:36:48
  rest of the super chats and superchows. We have two superchows right now.
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  Meredith g gave us five dollars and said, HBr talked to ninety three honey
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  for the badger. When dealing with collective narcissism, only their truth matters.
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  And Richard Bierre gave us five dollars and said, if sex doesn't result in
• 1:37:12
  winding up in traction, then you aren't doing it correctly. I think I've
• 1:37:15
  heard that one before, but I don't remember where it originated, but it
• 1:37:19
  sounds like something out of the eighties. Richard or at we have super chats.
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  Albert Nada Retro gave us two dollars and said even my mistakes are perfect.
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  Thanks Hannah. That was a perfect mistake, though I love mamonisms.
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  Let's see and we see if there's any after that. Here is one.
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  Albert Nada Retro gave us five dollars and said, doc may know about the
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  footballer that was taken advantage of by three women while he was passed out drunk
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  at one of their homes. They'd met him at a pub. And do
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  you know what story he's talking about? I tried looking that up. Do
• 1:37:57
  you mean American football or British football? You're gonna have to narrow it down.
• 1:38:00
  I'm assuming they mean British footballer because we don't. We don't use that
• 1:38:05
  to our football player, is what we would say. But yeah, you're
• 1:38:10
  still gonna have to narrow it down because I imagine it's happened. Yeah,
• 1:38:14
  I don't know that story, but I'm not surprised by it. I'm assuming.
• 1:38:23
  Let me see if I can see anything about it. H I tried
• 1:38:29
  looking at looking it up on Google, and believe it or not, that's
• 1:38:32
  a bunch of articles about Aalena. I believe that. Let's see here,
• 1:38:43
  are we just not allowed to say his name? Is there some kind of
• 1:38:45
  nda on this what's going on? Let's see if it comes up in Duck
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  Duck. Sometimes it won't show up on Google. Um, of course it
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  actually brings up it says it's Cameron Lee. Taylor. We don't have to
• 1:39:15
  do it now, I'll take you out for it. I guess the answer
• 1:39:20
  to that would be no, that we weren't aware of it. A nineteen
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  year old Bucks County babysitter charge after child reports sex abuse. This was last
• 1:39:43
  year. Wait all right, well we'll have to come back to that one
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  because there's a lot of research needs to be done. Yeah, but yeah,
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  we get your point. Yeah, I'm sure that. Yeah, oh
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  Taylor Cameron Lee. Uh no, this is a a Quaker town woman abused
• 1:40:11
  of accused of sexually abusing a child. She baby said not a uh yeah,
• 1:40:23
  you have to realize I believe it or not. Even when somebody has
• 1:40:27
  an unusual looking name, it actually can. This is not about a footballer.
• 1:40:35
  This is actually last year. So yeah. And then unfortunately with Duck
• 1:40:44
  Duck, though I can't search just twenty sixteen, I can search out there.
• 1:40:49
  It is custom date range like it just is a separate thing. So
• 1:40:54
  let's try. We'll see let's see if that. Nope, it's not coming
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  up. Sorry, it's not coming up. But there was an incident last
• 1:41:17
  year where babysitter was accused of exactly what I talked about earlier. So I
• 1:41:23
  guess we'll have to You'll have to find a way to get that to us,
• 1:41:28
  because I I don't see anything on it. It's not unusual behavior for
• 1:41:32
  women, though, I mean, like, and then if and that was
• 1:41:36
  in Pennsylvania, where you're you use the phrase footballer that indicates a soccer player,
• 1:41:44
  not a not a football player here in the United States, like we
• 1:41:48
  don't use we would say football player. I bet this was a teenager in
• 1:41:57
  any case. Sorry, already tries soccer player page, cunning page, cunning
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  hands, it's a completely different name. Yeah, and I just closed the
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  tab. Damn it. We we we get it though. And I've been
• 1:42:14
  looking into this ship for too long. I'm already fucking depressed with life in
• 1:42:17
  general. Yeah, can we wrap up the show? Oh Barstool Sports covered
• 1:42:23
  it, Okay, Well yeah, yeah, we're gonna wrap up this show.
• 1:42:28
  But yeah, this guy they did exactly what what uh we just talked
• 1:42:33
  about. They got him drunk on vodka sexually assaulted his past out body and
• 1:42:40
  then cut his hair, like what the adding insult to injury? Right,
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  bad enough that they're they're doing horrible things to him to begin with, bad
• 1:42:49
  enough that they're taking advantage of his passed out situation, bad enough that they
• 1:42:56
  inflicted that on him to get sex that he wouldn't have given. But then
• 1:42:59
  they they decided to humiliate him even further on top of that, filmed it
• 1:43:03
  and everything. At least they're stupid and they got caught. I'm glad they're
• 1:43:12
  stupid and they got caught because that sounds like the kind of thing that you
• 1:43:17
  would find somebody doing that would later go on and do things that were more
• 1:43:24
  deadly. Peez, that's that. Yeah, Okay, that was malicious,
• 1:43:34
  Like the whole thing sounds malicious these and with that, oh, we will
• 1:43:42
  close the show because that's pretty toxic. There's a lot more information that we
• 1:43:45
  could garner from this book. I'm not gonna go into all of it tonight
• 1:43:48
  because I don't have the stomach for it all in one night, and I
• 1:43:54
  don't think we have. I don't see any paid rumble, So I think
• 1:44:00
  that is it for our super Chows. Super chats and all of that.
• 1:44:05
  So thanks guys for going through this. This was quite a toxic sausage tonight.
• 1:44:15
  Good to keep this one short. Thanks to everybody for listening, and
• 1:44:21
  thanks to everybody who works in the background to make HBr talk happen, and
• 1:44:27
  good ndol.