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HURDLE LIVE! NYC Marathon Pep Talk & Answering Your Running Questions With Matt James, Cheryl Donald, Tim West & Melody Westen · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Any run can be good when you're with good people.
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  Speaker 1: The pace is fun, you're looking around, you're enjoying it,
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  Speaker 1: you're in the moment, and you get home safe.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you're even saying here that like a bad
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  Speaker 2: run could be a good run.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I embrace my bad runs for sure. They're the ones
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  Speaker 1: that probably give me the most amount of progress.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: If I don't have a bad run, I'm probably not
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  Speaker 1: pushing myself hard enough or not going after big enough goals.
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  Speaker 1: So I love a good bad run.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Emily a body here. You are listening to Hurdle,
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  Speaker 2: a wellness focused podcast where I connect with everyone from
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  Speaker 2: your favorite athletes to top experts and industry CEOs about
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  Speaker 2: their highest hies, toughest moments, and everything in between. We
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  Speaker 2: all go through hurdles in life, and my goal through
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  Speaker 2: these discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours
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  Speaker 2: and move with intentions so that you can stride towards
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  Speaker 2: your own big potential and of course have some fun
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  Speaker 2: along the way. Now, if you're an avid Hurdle listener,
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  Speaker 2: may be wondering, what is this special episode doing in
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  Speaker 2: my feed on a Thursday. Well, I'm here to gift
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  Speaker 2: you the gift of better running. This week, I had
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  Speaker 2: the honor of sitting down with four amazing humans I'll
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  Speaker 2: get to their names in just a second, to have
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  Speaker 2: a conversation about tackling all of the hurdles that we
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  Speaker 2: face on the run in honor of the upcoming New
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  Speaker 2: York City Marathon on November seventh, and now, I hosted
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  Speaker 2: this conversation in community with my friends at Lula Lemon.
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  Speaker 2: We had it inside at their Fifth Avenue store at
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  Speaker 2: their venue called Hub seventeen. And honestly, it was such
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  Speaker 2: a joy, just such a wonderful opportunity to be able
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  Speaker 2: to get together with this New York City running community
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  Speaker 2: that has given me so much. Now, Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I had some really great guests for this conversation that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to hear from today. First up, Matt James,
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  Speaker 2: Lululemon ambassador and founder of ABC Food Tours. Cheryl Donald,
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  Speaker 2: a Brooklyn Track Club teammate of mine, a staple in
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  Speaker 2: running culture here in New York. Also Tim west a
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  Speaker 2: founder of Bandit Running I know, the Brooklyn track Club
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  Speaker 2: teammate of mine. And last, but certainly not least, Melody Weston.
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  Speaker 2: She is the SVP of Development and Marketing at Back
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  Speaker 2: on my Feet Now, we actually held a raffle on
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  Speaker 2: site and donated all of the proceeds too Back on
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  Speaker 2: my Feet. So I was so so stoked to be
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  Speaker 2: able to do some good and again come together in
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  Speaker 2: a moment that we haven't had in quite some time
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  Speaker 2: leading up to my favorite time in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, we did have a raffle. I do
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  Speaker 2: want to thank so many of the amazing brands that
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  Speaker 2: donated items for us to raffle off, including my good
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  Speaker 2: friends at Motive where I go for physical therapy down
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  Speaker 2: on Mott Street here in New York, as well as
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  Speaker 2: Athletic Greens, Element Beam Inside, Tracker Bandit, Lululemon, and hyper Ice.
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  Speaker 2: is something that so many of you have been asking
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  Speaker 2: to offer this to you and to move into this
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  Speaker 2: new chapter of this partnership with high Ice. Now, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, beautiful conversation on deck talking about all the
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  Speaker 2: hurdles we face on the run, from nutrition and getting
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  Speaker 2: started to towing the starting line, getting involved in your
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  Speaker 2: local run, community safety. I mean, we literally cover all
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  Speaker 2: of the basis. I am so so thankful again for
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  Speaker 2: my lovely panelists and excited to bring you this chat.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure you're following along with Hurdle over on social
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  Speaker 2: It's at Hurdle podcast. I'm over at Emily a body
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  Speaker 2: and with that, let's get to hurdling. So so excited
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  Speaker 2: to be here tonight at Hub seventeen inside of Lululemon.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Lululemon and my family there
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  Speaker 2: for having us this evening. I like I said, my
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  Speaker 2: name is Emily. I host a podcast called Hurdle. I'm
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  Speaker 2: so excited to have you all here. It feels so
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  Speaker 2: beautiful to have this opportunity to be in community after
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  Speaker 2: what a hell of an eighteen months of community looking
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  Speaker 2: a little bit different. And of course we are here
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  Speaker 2: tonight to celebrate because we've got the New York Marathon
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  Speaker 2: coming up. Can I have hands raised for marathoners in
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  Speaker 2: the room? Oh wow, we got a lot. We love this,
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  Speaker 2: We love this well. I'm excited to be running alongside
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  Speaker 2: all of you and also cheering you on and tonight
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  Speaker 2: here we are going to be talking about all well,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the hurdles that we face on the run,
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  Speaker 2: from getting started to actually towing the line, whether you're
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  Speaker 2: racing a mile of five k or a marathon, and
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  Speaker 2: to do that, I've got some really awesome people up
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  Speaker 2: here with me, so I am going to go down
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  Speaker 2: the road here. I'm going to introduce them and then
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  Speaker 2: I'll let them say a little bit about themselves. So
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  Speaker 2: first up, we've got Melody Weston. How you doing mouth?
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  Speaker 5: Hi?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, my friends call me mouth. I'm glad we're here already.
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  Speaker 6: Oh here, Hey, it's great to be here. Thank you
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  Speaker 6: for having me. I'm Melody Weston. I'm here representing other
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  Speaker 6: marathoners who aren't running this year but have some New
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  Speaker 6: York's under their belt. I'm also senior vice president of
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  Speaker 6: marketing and development at Back on my Feet, so I
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  Speaker 6: know there's quite a few volunteers out there who've run
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  Speaker 6: with us before and I'm really excited to be here.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Tim. What's up?
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  Speaker 4: What's up?
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  Speaker 2: Hi?
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  Speaker 4: I'm Tim.
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  Speaker 1: I am the founder of Bandit, running a new running
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  Speaker 1: apparel startup. I'm running New York and what are we
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  Speaker 1: at twelve days now?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've lost count.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying not to keep count. It's terrifying. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like to think about it. But yeah, I'm excited to
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  Speaker 1: be here.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for coming. Next up, we've got Cheryl Donald.
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  Speaker 7: Hi, everyone, can you hear me? Okay? Mike's on, Okay,
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  Speaker 7: Mike is on. So my name is Cheryl Donald.
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  Speaker 8: I am the chairperson of Brooklyn Track Club as well
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  Speaker 8: as one of the co captains, and I'm running New
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  Speaker 8: York City. This will be my fifth NYC marathon. Looking
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  Speaker 8: forward to it, seventeenth MARATHONO. Yeah, we're gonna talk all
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  Speaker 8: things running.
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  Speaker 2: And last but not least, we've got Matt James.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on, y'all.
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  Speaker 5: I'm excited to be running my first New York City
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  Speaker 5: marathon in a couple I guess two weeks now.
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  Speaker 4: I am here as a.
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  Speaker 5: Run ambassador for Lululemon Manhattan, the entire city. I've met
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  Speaker 5: a lot of these panelists through the community that's been
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  Speaker 5: built around running, so I'm excited to meet you all
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  Speaker 5: and share my experiences.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so amp. Let's give it up for our panelists
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  Speaker 2: here tonight. So whether you are here irl tonight or
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  Speaker 2: you're listening to this on the feed. I do want
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  Speaker 2: to say thank you so much for being a part
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  Speaker 2: of this community. I think the best part about running
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  Speaker 2: is that we have the opportunity to learn and do
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  Speaker 2: it with others and grow from the lessons that we
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  Speaker 2: learned from one another. But while we're here to talk
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  Speaker 2: about tonight, the hurdles that we face on the run,
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  Speaker 2: and I can see from like the nodding and the
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  Speaker 2: audience are a lot of them. The first hurdle starting right, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: starting to run is so intimidating, melody. Do you remember
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  Speaker 2: your first run?
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  Speaker 8: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: My first run was probably about two thousand and my
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  Speaker 6: friend Laura, who was like five feet tall on a
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  Speaker 6: bundle of energy, was like, oh, you can run, and
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  Speaker 6: I was like no, no, no. I was probably thirty
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  Speaker 6: pounds heavier, I smoked a pack of cigarettes a day.
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  Speaker 6: And she was like, no, no, you can. And she
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  Speaker 6: took me on a run in the summertime and I
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  Speaker 6: didn't know it was a five mile run and I
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  Speaker 6: thought I was dying. I thought I was going to die.
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  Speaker 6: I walked a lot and when we finished, I said,
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  Speaker 6: can we do that again tomorrow? The rest is history.
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  Speaker 7: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Can we do that again tomorrow? I uh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like my inroid to running was as
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  Speaker 2: smooth as that. What about you, Tim, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was just thinking about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think my first run was in a race, right,
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  Speaker 1: which is not a good idea for anyone who's starting.
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  Speaker 4: I think my dad was.
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  Speaker 1: He brought me to a race, which he was a
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  Speaker 1: big runner back in his day, and he was like,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna love it, and I like got to the
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  Speaker 1: starting line, I was so nervous. I sprinted as fast
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  Speaker 1: as I could, got to like the first corner. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, God, this is brutal, but I finished and that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being around the community was what kept me
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  Speaker 1: going and kept me involved in the sport.
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  Speaker 2: And how old were you when you started running?
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  Speaker 4: I think that first race had to be when I
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  Speaker 4: was twelve or thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, an intimidating moment. I think I was about
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  Speaker 2: thirteen as well. And I actually came in last in
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  Speaker 2: my first race, Like that's not an exaggeration. Police sweeper
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  Speaker 2: car me and my dad. I had a walkie talkie
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  Speaker 2: on my like pant top in case we got separated
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  Speaker 2: because we were in Troumble, Connecticut, which is obviously super dangerous.
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  Speaker 8: Cheryl first run, gosh, I've always run on the treadmill,
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  Speaker 8: but my first race was actually twenty thirteen. It was
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  Speaker 8: the Bedstide Turkey Trot, and I showed up in Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 8: with cropped pants and a bubble jacket. I was ready
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  Speaker 8: to run, and we did. For those of you who
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  Speaker 8: are familiar with Bedstye Brooklyn, we ran around von Kine
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  Speaker 8: Park like three times. I think it was to get
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  Speaker 8: this done. Total bad look, but it was fun and
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  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, maybe I can do this a
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  Speaker 8: little bit better if I do a little bit more
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  Speaker 8: gear seasonally appropriate.
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  Speaker 3: But it was fun.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. I think for the first like four
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  Speaker 2: years of running for me, it was cotton leggings that
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  Speaker 2: you'd buy from Target because they were like eight ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine and Haynes Cotton v Nex by the pack, like
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  Speaker 2: five pack Walmart. Done. Matt, I'm going to blow up
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  Speaker 2: your spot a little bit because two years ago, twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 2: you ran your first marathon. Talk to us about that
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  Speaker 2: experience for you.
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  Speaker 4: That was tough.
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  Speaker 5: Because you know, when we were training, I was training
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  Speaker 5: with my roommate and we hadn't neither one of us
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  Speaker 5: that ever run a marathon before, so we just kind
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  Speaker 5: of put the mouse together when we had time. And
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't recommend that to most people running their first marathon,
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  Speaker 5: but the energy of the city of Chicago just carried
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  Speaker 5: us through the race. And anyone who's participating in a
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  Speaker 5: marathon as a volunteer, as a runner, you can probably
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  Speaker 5: relate to that energy that you get on race day
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  Speaker 5: with people just cheering you on and pushing you through.
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  Speaker 5: So the city of Chicago got me through that first marathon.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. I love that, and I mean a
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  Speaker 2: bigger energy I would say here in New York, which
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  Speaker 2: you're about to experience the first time we have everyone
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  Speaker 2: up here has actually well, you soon to join the
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  Speaker 2: ranks of this greatness on the rest of the Payane
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  Speaker 2: has run The New York City Marathon a huge hurdle
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  Speaker 2: within itself because of so many things, including I would say,
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  Speaker 2: at times the elevation. Do you remember the most difficult
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  Speaker 2: part about your first New York City marathon?
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  Speaker 1: Tim Waking up is always hard for me, so before
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  Speaker 1: we even get to the start line. But the bridges, right,
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  Speaker 1: seven bridges, it's tough and they keep coming, and even
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  Speaker 1: the small ones hurt. Sometimes those hurt the worst. You'll
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  Speaker 1: see that. And then of course going down Fifth Ave
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  Speaker 1: into Central Park is absolutely brutal because you're like, you
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  Speaker 1: can sense the finish line, but it's still a few
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  Speaker 1: miles away, and those are obviously the toughest miles. But
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  Speaker 1: the crowd is electric, So that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's for sure. You mentioned the hurdle of early mornings, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 2: You've mastered this hurdle. I see you out there early
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  Speaker 2: in the morning.
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  Speaker 8: I'm an early morning running but there's nothing like getting
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  Speaker 8: up at four am getting a cab to take what
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  Speaker 8: is it the ferry that we take.
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  Speaker 7: I don't even remember. It's so early, and I get
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  Speaker 7: up early. I do the lift.
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  Speaker 8: When we used to do lift shared you know COVID.
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  Speaker 8: We don't do that anymore. And I would be already
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  Speaker 8: with my marathon gear doing a shared lift, and then
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  Speaker 8: everyone else was coming home from the club.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And it's always like Halloween weekend, right, so
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  Speaker 2: you see like the you know, at like six seven am,
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  Speaker 2: and they shouldn't be out at six seven am.
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  Speaker 7: And so they're like, where are you are you running
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  Speaker 7: the marathon?
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  Speaker 3: That's so cool.
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  Speaker 8: They're still drunk, so high. I feel like whatever, whatever it's,
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  Speaker 8: it's always a good time. But that New York City
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  Speaker 8: wake up is tough. We lose that hour, we'll be
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  Speaker 8: get an hour sleep. I don't even know, but that's
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  Speaker 8: that's the challenge it is.
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  Speaker 2: But on the note of early morning running, for someone
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  Speaker 2: who's struggling getting out of bed and committing to that
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  Speaker 2: early morning workout, what advice would you offer to them?
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  Speaker 8: You know, know your schedule, So I always think about
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  Speaker 8: what will happen if I don't get up in the
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  Speaker 8: morning and get this run done. I absolutely know that
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  Speaker 8: it won't happen in the evening. So it's like, do
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  Speaker 8: I get up now or do I feel guilty later?
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  Speaker 8: So I try to guilt myself to get up in
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  Speaker 8: the morning. You know, all the traffic that I'm gonna
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  Speaker 8: beat if I get up before everyone else gets up,
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  Speaker 8: so all of those fun things, and it's also beautiful
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  Speaker 8: to watch New York City get up in the morning.
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  Speaker 7: It's really a nice streak.
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  Speaker 2: I know, Matt, you're a five am or what gets
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  Speaker 2: you out of that in the morning.
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  Speaker 5: I think that I know that if I don't get
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  Speaker 5: it done in the morning, that it's just not going
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  Speaker 5: to get done. And there's something therapeutic about waking up
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  Speaker 5: and just grinding, you know, and like being up before
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  Speaker 5: everyone else is up. You feel like you got a
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  Speaker 5: head start to the day, and like you said, you
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  Speaker 5: get to see New York City wake up, which is incredible,
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  Speaker 5: and you just like I said, you just feel like
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  Speaker 5: you're out there putting in that work before everyone else
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  Speaker 5: is and then when everyone's waking up, you're done, and
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  Speaker 5: like then your day starts. So I feel like my
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  Speaker 5: day doesn't start until I get that first.
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  Speaker 2: Work out in and I can relate to what you
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  Speaker 2: both are saying both about getting it done that feeling
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  Speaker 2: really great. Also, you know, being awake when the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the city's sleeping. Tim on the other hand, not
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  Speaker 2: a morning person whatsoever and loves the evening workout. So Tim, why, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean something that I would love to change, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: And I try to like go through phases where I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna get up, and that phase
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  Speaker 1: usually lasts like zero days, a big alarm snoozer.
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  Speaker 4: I love the evening workout because it's a great way
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  Speaker 4: to clear.
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  Speaker 1: My mind after a long day, right, Doing bandit full
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  Speaker 1: time is really tough, and it's all it's very consuming,
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  Speaker 1: and I need to put my phone away, get away
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  Speaker 1: from the computer. Sometimes I don't run with headphones. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even want I don't want any electronics on me,
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  Speaker 1: and I just go and I clear my mind for
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  Speaker 1: an hour an hour and a half, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: a really nice way to reset for the evening.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. And I know, Melody, you ran a
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  Speaker 2: handful of marathons, now, how many four four marathons, four
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  Speaker 2: marathon and you told me that you'll never run a
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  Speaker 2: marathon that's not New York ever Again, I.
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  Speaker 6: Was gonna tell Matt, like, be prepared. You're never going
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  Speaker 6: to do Chicago. New York will ruin it for you,
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  Speaker 6: because there is nothing like running the New York Marathon.
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  Speaker 6: And why do you say that there is something about
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  Speaker 6: the city even when on the years when I'm not running,
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  Speaker 6: and the city, like I said for years that marathon
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: day is the best day to be in New York,
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: Like the whole city comes alive. And whether you're cheering
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: or looking out your window and seeing the runners or
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: complaining about the traffic being blocked because of the runners
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: like it's something that brings the city together. And I mean,
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: I did two other marathons that weren't New York, and
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: then once I did New York, it was all over.
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: And now that's it.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Do you remember, I know before we started chatting here,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: you had mentioned to me that one year you were
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: so excited that you left home without your fuel belt.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: But I want to segue with that because I want
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: to talk about fueling, which is a massive hurdle I
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: would almost argue one of the biggest ones for so
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: many runners, especially as you start to undertake more distance.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: So talk to me about you know, what kind of
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: fueling strategy works for you and how did you kind
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: of learn that over time?
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: Well, I learned what not to do.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: So my first marathon, I was very young. I was
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: like twenty one, and I made all the mistakes you
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: can make. On marathon day, I was trying new fuels.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: I was like, maybe I'll try like this caffeinated fuel,
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: and you can imagine how well that went by mile twenty.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: And over the years I have found what works. I
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: like candy. I have a sweet tooth, so when jellybeans
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: or candy kind of gummies came out that were fuel
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: that were somewhat natural like those worked for me. Now
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: I'm like, every forty minutes I have a half of
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: the bag of my stingers or you know, my beans,
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: and I like the candy aspect. It makes me feel good.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: Anything I can do to make those miles just a
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: touch easier and I'm in. And nothing new on race day.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Oh biggest rule, Cheryl biggest piece of advice for first
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: time marathoners, aside from nothing new on race day.
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: Plan ahead, Plan your strategy ahead, and plan a couple
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: of days ahead. So you're going to be so excited
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: the day before, trying to figure out what time to
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: wake up in the morning, making sure that you have everything.
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: So plan it out. I really look at the hours.
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: I think about the buses five forty five. I'll be
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: on Staten Island at this time. This is how long
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: I'll be sitting there. What do I want to eat?
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: Bring breakfast with you while you're sitting out there. Just
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: plan ahead, write it down. Don't leave it in your
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: head because you will be so excited you'll forget everything.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: That's a good tip writing it down. I also think
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: when it comes to planning ahead, I've even gone as
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: far as like taken photos of like exactly what I
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: want to wear so I don't pull like the wrong
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: thing out of the drawer when I'm super frazzled. Oh,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Tim's nodding like he's done, he's done.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: I love a good fit.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Love love a good fit. Planning ahead super good tip. Matt,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: what tip would you offer a new marathon or.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I would say to pace yourself.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: I know the first time we ran in Chicago, we
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: were so stoked that we were out there and we
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: took off like we're going like six thirty like, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: that's was we were supposed to be run like nine thirty.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: So and our watch is for some reason, I don't
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: know if y'all have had this problem, Like I couldn't
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: get a read on my watch, like everyone's technology is
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: like going crazy. So I didn't know how fast we
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: were going until like mile twelve where I was like
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: looking back and I was like, oh my gosh, like
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: we took off.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: So I would say to pace yourself and just to listen.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: To your body, because there was times again when we're running,
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: even when we're training, and I'm supposed to be at
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: a certain pace at this mileage, and I just shut
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: it down because I'm like, I want to be healthy
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: for race day, and I think it's more important to
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: get to the finish line or to start healthy than
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: like beaten up, but like you hit all your training.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, for sure. And we're talking here, obviously
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: about the hurdle of running your first marathon, and we
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: referenced earlier how valuable community can be in getting to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that starting line. Let's talk a little bit about the
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: hurdle of getting involved in community, right, because that can
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: feel really intimidating, even though you can, you know, walk
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: up and see a shining face like Cheryl greeting you
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: when you get to a track, Even getting to the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: track can be super, super intimidating.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I know for me.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've lived in New York for eleven years now,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and it took me eight years to really get involved
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: in the New York running community, maybe nine years to
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: actually pay membership due somewhere. So it's a little intimidating.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It's all intimidating. I guess I'll ask you, because of
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: your role here with Brooklyn Track Club, what would you say,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: what kind of a piece of advice would you offer
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to someone who's interested in getting into community but all
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: nervous about it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: Take a chance, take a risk, right, Running is a risk.
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: Getting out there on the streets and just doing your
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: own thing is a risk. So look on Instagram. Isn't
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: Instagram wonderful? I didn't have Instagram coming up? And take
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: a look at the different run crews and just pay
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: attention to what they're about. You know, everyone has a
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: different tone, everyone has a different culture. Shop around, right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: The one thing about New York that I can say
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: about all the crews, and I think I've run with
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: pretty much all of them at some point, is that
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: they're all very welcoming and you can just kind of
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: dip in, see how many miles they're running, see how
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: it feels for you, see if it's a good fit.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: Talking about getting to the track, The other thing is logistics, Right,
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: where do they meet? Is that going to be the
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: crew that you're actually going to do regularly? Based on location?
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: If you're in South Jersey, are you going to make
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: it to mccaren Park every week? Maybe not right, Maybe
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: you want to look at a Manhattan club where the
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: commute is a little bit easier. Right, So those are
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: the types of things that I would recommend take a risk.
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: Just get out there, shop around. Nobody's judging you. Everyone's
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: on the pavement pushing through, nobody's looking at you. Trust me,
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: nobody is looking.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: No one cares.
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: Let's just go and just shop around, see what feels
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: comfortable for you, and make sure it makes sense for
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: you as well.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I think that's I mean, those are all really great
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: pieces of advice. I also think showing up with an
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: attitude that you want to meet new people, right, because
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: if you show up and you're there and you're staring
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: at your Instagram and there's all this stuff going on
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: around you, irl, then you're not going to have the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: experience that you could have if you had shown up
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and been more open to your surroundings, to meeting new
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: people and having that attitude like this is actually something
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that I really want to get involved in. Right. Something
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: else I love that you mentioned here, which kind of
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: gets me into the segue of making exercise a regular habit.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: You said, like, make it convenient for you. Conveniency is
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the I would argue one of the top barriers to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: making exercise or running a regular routine.
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: If you are doing things consciously or unconsciously to make
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that experience difficult for you, then that's not going to
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: help you out when it comes to making running a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: regular part of your routine. What are certain things that
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: you do to make it easier for you, Tim.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes I'll work in my running clothes. I didn't
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: invent that. That's a you know, that's a tales oldest time.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It's a great, great trick. Finding a friend to get
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: started to go into the community is what I did. Like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: from the outside, looking in the clubs can seem pretty intimidating,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is those clubs want you.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: They want you to join, and so you know, find
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a friend, show up at a practice. You don't need
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to be the most extroverted person on day one, right,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you can just slow like I crept in started meeting
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: friends and that was a huge help. And now you know,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: my best friends are in the running community.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And on the note of working in your running clothes,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I used to have a roommate that would go to
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: sleep in the clothes you wanted to wear to bar
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: class the next day. But like I found that to
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: be so uncomfortable because I don't like to sleep in
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a sports bra But like to each their own, I
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: guess yeah, to each their own. I want to keep
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: focused here on this idea of barriers to entry for
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: making exercise and running a regular habit, melody. When you
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: think about for you like what helped you stick with it?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: What do you think about?
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Well, you talked a little bit about community, and I'm
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: going to just I just want to bring it back
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: to back on my feet for a second here, because
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: that is such a huge pillar of what we do.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: So for those of you who don't know, we're national
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: nonprofit and we have one of our largest programs is
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: in New York City. So we have different teams that
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: run at five point thirty in the morning, so morning
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: people with people who are experiencing homelessness or overcoming addiction.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: And one of the things that when you guys talked
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: about joining in community is like I can be my
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: own worst enemy and can talk myself out of doing
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: something that could be really great. And I mean I
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: work it back on my feet. I know that what
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: we do works, and I still get nervous when I
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: am going out to a morning circle up to meet
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: our members. And the fact that I can go and
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: maybe say hello to someone else who looks like there
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: might be a little bit more uncomfortable than I am
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: in my own skin. Like that's what keeps me coming back,
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: the fact that I can help someone else to be
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: a little bit more comfortable. Or we have a big
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: we have a big mottol on no one's left behind,
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: so no one runs alone. So I know, even if
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: I'm going to be the slowest person, I'm not going
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: to run alone. And sometimes I just find that person
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: who's going the slowest and they're probably a little uncomfortable
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: and make them feel comfortable at the run, because it
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: is like that community aspect is like when you show
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: up at those circle ups, people see you and they
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: recognize you, and then the more you show up, when
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: you don't show up, they're like, hey, where were you?
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: And you become part of that community, like being that
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: active participant that you talked about Emily and making sure
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: that we're there to help each other overcome those barriers.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: So such such good advice here, I'm going to pivot
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a little bit and ask Matt to talk to me
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: about his last bad run.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: I think my philosophy on a bad run's changed because
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: you know, I think I used to think that I
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: got to go out, I have to hit every mile
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: at the pace I'm trying to hit it a And like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: the more I've had this philosophy of listening to my body,
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: that's kind of changed. So like, technically, if I would
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: say my last run, you know, because like I went
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: out there with every intention of running all twenty miles
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: and we stopped numerous times, But that's because I'm listening
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: to my body. Before I would have been like, that
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: was a horrible run, but the objective was accomplished. You know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: we got our miles in, we didn't cramp, we didn't
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: get hurt, and I guess depending on who you asked,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: that would have been a great run. But for us
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: it was enough because we hit our mile point.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Cheryl okay, number seventeen on the horizon for you, have
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you ever had a quote unquote bad marathon source poll?
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: I would say seventeen. It's hard to I think any
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: marathon that you finish is a good marathon, right, Any
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: marathon that you start and finish is a good marathon.
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: I would say that my worst performance at a marathon
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: was my very first marathon. It was the Los Angeles Marathon.
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: It was the hottest day ever, like on record in
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: LA and it was February. It was Valentine's Day, ironically,
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: and I think it took me five hours to finish
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: that race, and everyone kept saying, just finish the race,
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: don't try to pr all. You know, they were hosing
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: us down with water. But it was such a great
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: experience because I had never been to LA, and I said,
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: you know what, this is my first marathon. I just
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: want to finish it. I want to see LA And
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: they take you through all these wonderful parts of the
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: city that I've never seen before, only on television.
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: So I really enjoyed that marathon.
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: And I also ran LA because I knew I was
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: running New York City later in the year, and I
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: didn't want New York to be my first, so I
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: wanted to know what my body was going to do
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: over twenty six miles before I did it in front
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: of all of my friends and family.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: You know, it makes me think of that saying that
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: someone would kill for your worst days, right, because I mean,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that there's ever a good way to
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: describe something as slow or maybe fast. I know a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: lot of us reference those perhaps slower miles as like
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: sexy Pace. Right, So there are plenty of people out
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: there that would kill for that five hour marathon, right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And that other point that you referenced here about any
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: marathon that you start and finish is a good marathon.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I'll transition this into the topic of injury, a huge, huge,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: huge hurdle within running. It sounds that naturally mastered this
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: idea of like listening to his body as to not
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: get injured. But sometimes even when you're listening to your body,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: injury happens. Right. You are walking past this couch and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I break my toe, I am walking down my stairs
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and I fall down three flights, like these are things
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: that I would do, and so you can't always prepare
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: for these moments, right. But I do think something that
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I've had to learn this year and not being able
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: to show up to one of the starting lines that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I had planned, is that through these hurdles we get
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to redefine what success looks like. For me, I was
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: talking about the value of getting involved in the New
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: York City running community, maybe more than ever in the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: past year, and that for me was probably the biggest
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: win in a marathon build up that looked nothing like
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I had thought that it would look like. On the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: injury front, Tim, have you ever navigated a injury that
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: set you back from a goal that you had originally
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: set out for yourself.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, I got injured earlier this year when I was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: training for Ultras. It was my ankle and I could
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: no longer run for several hours on it.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I could.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So you talk about redefining what success looks like and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: pivoting to a new strategy, right, So I took it
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: as an opportunity to try going fast for short distances
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and figuring out what I could do and getting involved
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: in the community in different ways to stay active. Getting
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: injured is one of the loneliest experiences because everybody's like, oh,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: speedy recovery, and you're like thanks, and then that's it. So,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you know, staying involved, finding somebody else who's injured, going
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to rehab together, Like those shared experiences and those bonds
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that you form through injured. Everybody gets injured really help
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: get you through it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: And I love what you said about ultimately when you
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: got back into the stewing of things with running, like
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: reframing some of your goals at the time and viewing
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: that as an opportunity keyword opportunity to like make that
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: shift and to try something new in the moment. Hard
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: to change that perspective. I also think, especially from my
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: injury journey, but really from most what someone will tell
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you is that in that moment, that time on the sidelines,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: like literally feels like forever. It feels like an eternity.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: You're never going to run again, You're never gonna move again.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Life is over. Life is so sad. But in retrospect,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: when you take some time to look at what had happened,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: more often than not, you're like, oh, that was only
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: a month and a half, six weeks, two months, three
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: months even. I mean, I hate to say this, but
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: not that every moment is invaluable, but a year in
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the scheme of things, you know, one moment you could
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: be sidelined for a year. In the next year you
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: could be having the time of your life. So I
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: do think looking for the opportunity and all that, You're
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: looking at me like you got you want to chime in, none.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I think you're dead on. I'm just I'm just agreeing
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: with you.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: That's it, Melody.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Have you been injured yes, not from running, but I
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: am you know, a couple of years ago, I got
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: into the CrossFit phase.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Raise your hand if you've had a CrossFit phase.
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: Oh not as many.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: I don't understand, right, And I still I still power lift.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: But I hurt my back squatting two hundred pounds because
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: you know, still a little no big deal, but doing
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: it over and over again. I did hurt my back
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: because I just wasn't I was I was being reckless.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: I wasn't taking care of myself when I was out
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: for I couldn't squat for a year, A year before
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: I could like squat a barbelle again. And it was,
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: you know, I feel like people who run marathons, like
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: we're type, you know, as I said, I think I
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: said earlier, like I'm not the dip your toe into
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: the water kind of per and I'm like, we're all in.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: But that year of not being able to like I
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: couldn't sit for long periods of time, I couldn't stand
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: for long periods of time, I really learned how to
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: be in tune with my body in a way that
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: I've never been before. And you know what Matt said earlier,
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: like I didn't listen to my body. I would just go, go, go,
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: And it really taught me to listen and to just
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: also humble myself, like I don't Nike's Lula Lemon's not
• 34:26
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• 34:29
  Speaker 6: I this is like something that I'm supposed to do
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: for fun. And when I put so much pressure on myself,
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: like am I really enjoying it? It really taught me
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: to like start at the building blocks, go back and
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: like think about why I'm doing these things and is
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: it fun or is it ego? And now I really
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: enjoy lifting and I don't listen two hundred pounds and
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: it's it's I really enjoy it. Though I move and
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: I don't. I'm not in pain when I sit, I'm
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: not in pain when I walk, And and that's a gift.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a gift. And the idea that that time,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: in that time of maybe not doing the thing that
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you started with, right, is in another opportunity to try
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: something new. Definitely, definitely in my time, I decided that
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I would buy a Peloton bike. Oh yeah, oh just
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: see a cheap pivot.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: Oh I want one so bad.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Cheap pivot shout out to mirror inside of a Lulemon story.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Right now.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: We talked about enjoyment, and we're talking about obviously finding
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: ways to do more of that on the run. Cheryl,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: what would you say is one of the things that
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you enjoy most about running? Perhaps even articulating your why
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: why do you run?
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: I run because it keeps me sane and it keeps
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: me even even before the pandemic. I know a lot
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: of folks got into running as a way to kind
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: of manage the stress and anxiety of the pandemic, but
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: I was running to manage the stress anxiety of my
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: life years before the pandemic. And it really is important
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: for me to have the opportunities. As much as I
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: love community and running with the crews and running with
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: my team, it's really important to run alone sometimes for me,
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: and those mornings where I can just do my own
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: thing set the tone for my day is really important,
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: and I really enjoy that. I'm one of those offensive
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: people that runs with headphones. So some of you I've
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: been people have take literally taken pictures of me on Instagram,
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: like on their stories calling my name and not listening
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: and me not hearing. And then I see myself running
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: somewhere in the neighborhood. Don't do that, but it really
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: is an opportunity for me to really enjoy that, enjoy
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: the me time, so I really cherish that. And then
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: of course the community. I mean, you know, I was
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: thinking about injury, right, and when you're injured one of
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: the things that you tend to miss is the community, right,
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: because that's what brings you together with people, and just
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: finding different ways to stay connected is really important during
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: those injury times. I know, we talked a lot about London,
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: and we were so excited about that, but then you
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: pivoted and you had a wonderful time while we were
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: in London, and I said, wow, that's how you pivot, right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: It took a little trip to Italy instead of running
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: a marathon.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: You little trip.
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: I wish I was in Italy when I was about
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: mile twenty two the London Marathon. But those are the
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: things that I really really enjoy are the me times,
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: and that's important that we don't want to lose that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: R Why.
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  Speaker 2: Taking a break from today's chat to talk to you
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  Speaker 2: headphones on the run, maybe so much so on the
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: volume note that you're kind of like in your own world.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: We also have talked about earlier running meeting back on
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: my feet at five thirty. Matt's up at five am.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: This brings about an important hurdle and an important topic
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: for us to address, which is safety. Right Obviously, running
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: in numbers can be a really important tool to feel
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: more safe on the run, especially super early or later.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I'd be curious, Matt, if you and maybe I'm asking
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you this like as a woman, because I think about
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: this a lot when I go running at like six am,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: six thirty in the morning. Do you think about safety
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: you go out in the morning.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: You know, that's one of the privileges I have, is
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: that's something that you know, I don't really think about
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: having a girlfriend now, you know, she sends me screenshots
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: of the person who's picking her up in her uber
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: and when they're leaving the house, and I have accountability
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: partners when they're going to run. Who are females that
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: text me like, Hey, I'm going on a run. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: think there's an app that people was it shirly you
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: could drop the bar road id?
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, road id. So there's a lot of stuff out there.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: But you know, I'm very fortunate that you know, that's
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: not something that I have to think about. But one
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: of the things that I do think about in terms
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: of safety, just from like a body standpoint, is like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: let's get that to mail. Just listening to my body
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: like that safety Like it's like I'm hurting, but I
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: need I need to run sixteen miles today. Like I'm
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: just gonna get on I'm gonna get the exercise bike.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I'm going to get like an hour on the jump
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: rope and like simulate like the beating my knees and
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: joints are going to take in another way, yeah, opposed
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: to going out there and like pulling a groin or
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: pulling a hamstring and really.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Setting myself back definitely. And I think on that note,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: we're talking about going out on a training run, there's
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of safety things that you can keep in mind.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: When you're going out on a training run, not just
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: for like your personal safety. Right, If you're going on
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: a run and you're going to be out there for
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: a long time, are you running in an area that
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: you know of? Do people know that you're heading out there?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And also, I mean we talked about fueling before, the
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: importance of having fuel on a run like that is
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: absolutely critical. Again, I mentioned that you go running often
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: at five point thirty in the morning. I remember when
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I was volunteering with the members up in Harlem for
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Back on my Feet. I lived about I want to say,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: maybe twenty twenty five blocks south of them on the
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Upper east Side at the time, and that was the
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: one run of my week when I was running up
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: there at like five twenty no headphones. My dad, like
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: years ago, bought me the most the ugliest love you Dad,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the ugliest neon like sweatshirt from Dick's Sporting Goods that
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: he could find and like gave me that to wear
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: on this five fifteen runs. So what do you think
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: about when it comes to safety at that time of day.
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's part of the nature of what
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: we do and where where our members are. Is that
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: some of the areas are you have to be street smart.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: I mean there are places in some cities. You know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: in Boston, for instance, one of the areas where we
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: have a team called Team Hope is on what they
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: refer to as methadone mile. It's not a place that
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: you want to be walking around alone at five in
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: the morning. And our motto is no one runs alone.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: Part of that is encouragement, part of it is safety,
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: and part of is like we bring hope and light
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: and community to these neighborhoods and to these communities and
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: help to bring about change. But at the end of
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: the day, it's dark, it's a large group of people,
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: and it's really like talk, engage, be present, but also
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: be street smart. And you know, we have volunteered is
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: our core volunteers who monitor who's in, who's who's that
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: still out there and and we keep a tight, tight
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: role call on who's there in those morning runs. But
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: it is it's it's a serious you know, it's a
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: serious issue. And I have one of our volunteers in
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: Philadelphia who mentioned to me, she's like, my husband used
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: to get so nervous when I told him where I
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: was going to go. Run and and then he met
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: our Then you know, she became part of the community.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: She met our members, she met our volunteers, and she's like,
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: we bring light to these areas five point thirty in
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: the morning. We are the bright spot that in running
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: those one mile, two mile, three mile runs. So but
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: it is like you can't run alone. No one runs alone,
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: no headphones and and you know, preferably flashing lights.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: Flashing light.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Do you have any any recommendations on flashing lights.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: I don't have any particular brands. I have a bunch,
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: but I couldn't tell you what the brands were.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I also think I mean that, well, that highlight right there.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Of wearing reflective gear is another really like we don't
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: talk about that enough. Luckily, a lot of brands, including
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: lul Lemon, like their logos on the gear is reflective.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: So no matter what you're wearing, no matter what option
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you pick, you don't need to be wearing neon yellow
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: to be to be seen out there, although US New
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Yorkers have a have a thing for wearing copious some
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: mounts of black. But I want to I do want
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to pivot a little bit. And I asked Matt perhaps
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: about his worst run. Tim, do you remember your last
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: really good run.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the other day, the last sixteen. I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: ran it with to of my buddies that I do
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of my running with. And the reason it
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: was so good is because the week before I had
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a really bad run and I was just talking about
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: this with them on the run, and I use the analogy.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I said, you never want to go into a national
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: championship undefeated, right, You don't want to go into the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: marathon having all good runs. And my buddy had all
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: good runs going in and then you had a bad run,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: And I said, you know, that's a good thing. I'm
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: really glad we got that out of the way for you.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And it is a lot of the times it's the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: bad ones that make the other ones good. Sometimes you
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: have a streak going and that feels nice and then
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: it gets a little bit warisome. But any run can
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: be good when you're with good people. The pace is fun,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you're looking around, you're enjoying it, you're in the moment,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and you get home safe.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I mean you're even saying here that like a bad
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: run could be a good run.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I embrace my bad runs for sure. They're the ones
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that probably give me the most amount of progress.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: If I don't have a bad run.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I'm probably not pushing myself hard enough or not going
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: after big enough goals.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: So I love a good bad run.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I love a good bad run. I have certainly I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: feel like I had at least one long run this
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: year in the build up for the marathon. I never
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: ran that I had a legitimate, like what felt like
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: an anxiety attack. Has that ever happened to you, Cheryl?
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: And how do you get through the moments on the
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: run that make you ask yourself why the hell am
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I even out here running in the first place.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: It's interesting when you talk about anxiety attack. I did
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: run the London Marathon, and at the end of the
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: race this year, I had an anxiety attack, like I
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: could not breathe. I was pacing so well, I was
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: on the pr track and then it started going off
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: the rails around twenty two to twenty three, and I
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: had a friend who was pacing me, and it was
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: just it felt so good until it didn't. And when
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: it was over, everyone at the end in London, wonderful people,
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: Well done, well done, well done. No one says congratulations,
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: well done, well done, well done, And I was just like,
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: if I hear that one more time, but I literally
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: could not breathe and it was because I was in
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: my head and it was a great time. I mean
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: it was a three point fifty three. I told you
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: I started at a five hour marathon.
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: What am I having? So what am I having an
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: anxiety about?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: And I made it too much and I forgot what
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: the marathon was about and why we were out there
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: running and the fact that I was in London, still
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: in the midst of a pandemic and was able to
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: run a live race.
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: So I did get over myself.
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: Thankfully, I had some teammates that were in the finish
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: area who talked me off the ledge and really kind
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: of right size things for me and said, what are
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: you doing? Get yourself together? But it happens, you know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: sometimes we lose the target. And like Tim said, everything
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: can't be a perfect run. And so now it's what
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: did I learn from that run? What did I do
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: that I could switch a little bit when I run
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: New York. I'm not trying to pr but there's always
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: a lesson that you can learn from those quote unquote
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: bad runs well done, well done in my British.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Also on the note of that finish moment, a huge hurdle,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: just finishing a marathon. I'd love to hear about your
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: favorite ways to celebrate a marathon Barbecue? Oh, do we
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: have a preference on the on like what's happen any
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: any time? How do you celebrate a race well done?
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I remember after my first New York City marathon, my
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: family and I went to peach Love's Emily. I ordered
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the big Matt burger, came out and I just stared
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: at it and didn't take a single bite. I had
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: zero appetite, but I wanted to.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I wanted to.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I want to eat the burg. I drank the beer.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: A beer after a job well done? Is you know
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: just it hits the right.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: It hits the right notes for me as well, Cheryl.
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: I'm a pancake girl.
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: Oh I need yeah, I need anything brunch ish I
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: need on my plate and it needs to be super
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: super sweet. So I can't do the meat immediately after
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: a marathon.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: Oh, I go home and nap and then I go
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: eat like got it? I don't every time I run
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: fifteen or more miles, there's a nap included in that
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: afternoon plan.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Matt, how did you celebrate Chicago?
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: I kind of celebrate after every run, like even training,
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: so like like, for instance, the last run we did,
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: I did like it wasn't it was like ten miles
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: at like five am. And I made sure we started
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: at five so that we finished at seven when Culture
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: Espresso opened because they had my favorite chcolate chip cookies.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: So I just intertwined my favorite things into to ending
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: my runs.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like we just talked about some of the
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: best barbecue and Brooklyn. But I have a feeling that
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Matt might have an opinion on the best burger in Manhattan.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Ooh, cheeseburgers aren't my favorite food.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Wow, fun fact about Matt James.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: I love cheeseburgers because I never, like, I think everyone
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: loves well, I'm not gonna say everybody. I think a
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: lot of people consider like fine dining, like a steak
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: or something expensive. But like, we didn't eat steak growing up,
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: you know, we ate, Like I just ate a lot
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: of cheeseburgers. So I think the best burger that I've
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: had though in the city is in the East Village.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: It's called Whitman's and they like have this thing where
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: they like put cheese into the burger, so when you
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: cook it and you like bite into it, it's like
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: there's cheese coming out. And they have really good tater
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: tots too.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna challenge you to go have the burger at
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Mercer Kitchen.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I've never had it on the list.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: It is a good burger.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: It's a good burger.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: It's a good burger. Well, I am going to open
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: up our little panel to some questions. If you have
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: a question, raise your hand, ask the question. I'll reiterate
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: the question for the people that are listening to this
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and aren't here, and then we'll answer it. It can
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: be directed at anyone in particular, or it can be
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: a general question. But don't be shy. Feel free to
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: raise your hand and I will just point because it's
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: a little bright up here. So, Cheryl, our first audience
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: question is about consistency from Nicole, hailing from downtown Manhattan.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: She wants to know if you've ever taken a break
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: from running and how that impacted you.
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: I actually have not taken a break from running, so
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: I tend to run year round, but I have started
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: listening to my body more Matt, and it's hard. It's
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: hard to listen to your body. So sometimes what I
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: will do is not do the mileage. So I will
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: run because I get the mental health benefits of running,
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: but I may not go as far or as hard.
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: It might just be more easy runs. But I just
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: get so much out of getting out there and being
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: one with the pavement that I haven't really taken breaks.
• 52:11
  Speaker 8: But I do listen to what's happening and maybe scale back.
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: If I'm not training for anything, there's no purpose to
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: go out there and kill yourself. Enjoy it and really
• 52:23
  Speaker 8: embrace the time in between. I mean, I've run so
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: many marathons sometimes I overbook myself and so I feel
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: like I'm always training for a marathon, and that just
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: is a recipe for burnout. So different ways to just
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: balance it is more of what I do.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: The question that just came in from the audience advice
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: on running a virtual marathon? Has anyone at the front
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: of the room run a virtual marathon? Oh, I see
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: head shaking, head shaking one. No, okay, it wasn't New
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: York in real life. I want nothing to do with it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: I ran a virtual half okay, the seawees that a
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: bunch that Lulu Limit puts on. I actually ran it
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: in person as well when it was in Vancouver and
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: it was one of It was the best race I've
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: ever rann. It was I encourage everyone if you had
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: the means to get out there when they put it
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: back on, like you're running along the seaboard?
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: Is that called seawall?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Seawall?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I had not.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, yeah seaball, but no, So they had
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: that virtual and I just made sure I had fun.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Like I did it with a bunch of friends. I
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: was like, hey, I'm going to be running at this time,
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: Like does anyone want to do it with me? And
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: people who are training for marathons like sure, like I
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: need to get thirteen in, Like let's do it. And
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: we just made an event and like there was no pressure.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: It was like just celebrating run and like having fun
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: with it was like the biggest thing for me because
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: when something stops being fun, then I just shy away
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: from it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: From a logistics pov Cheryl, what logistical recommendations do you
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: have for our friend who's going to be running a
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: virtual marathon?
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: Don't do it in the city.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Why do you see that.
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: It's just it's too much to try and schedule around.
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: In my opinion, I did London virtually in twenty twenty
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: and I went up to Rockland Lake and I did
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: it in Rockland And what was really nice about that
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: is I just told folks, hey, I'm running the virtual
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: London if you want to get some miles with me,
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: and so because it's loops, people would come and say, hey,
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: I'll run to loops with you, and so I really
• 54:26
  Speaker 8: had company the entire time. And what was nice about
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: it was London required everyone to run the virtual like
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: on the same day, so there were other people out there.
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: Because after you see people running around like five or
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: six times, you know that they're probably doing the same
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: thing you're doing. But it also was uninterrupted. You didn't
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: have to worry about excuse me, traffic, people cutting you off.
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: It's just so much anxiety. And it's hard enough to
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: run twenty six miles without crowds and support.
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: So really think about the route.
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: Make it scenic. Rockland is really beautiful. You don't have
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: to run the loops. You can also kind of do
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: the outer parts as well. But I'm sure there are
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: other places that are beautiful palisades, but just try not
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: to do it in the city because it just it's
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: too much in my opinion.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: So I ran a virtual in New York City marathon
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: in New York City. I actually really liked it. I
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: started it, I think at like maybe five forty five
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: am at Engineers Gate. I did basically what was a
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: clockwise outer loop perimeter of Central Park and then went
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: down over the Queensboro through Brooklyn, back in over the
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Manhattan and then up the West Side Highway. Shout out
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: to Alec who was cheering for me on the West
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Side Highway. My advice if you're gonna do a city marathon,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: whether it's a half or a full or even just
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: like a city virtual race, first of all, have like
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: support in some way. So if someone can be riding
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: a bike while you're running, that is so clutch. But
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: also it could be something as simple as like someone
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: having water for you, meeting you at like an exact coordinate,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: or maybe like you have a bunch of friends who
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: like at different points are like holding gels for you, that, like,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: just like a regular marathon, gives you something to look
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: forward to. Which I think is really special. But yeah,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: like let people know what you're doing. That's my biggest
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: piece of advice because again, like it can be really lonely.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I would say running a virtual marathon can be as
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: lonely maybe as being injured. So be very strategic about
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: how you make that decision to go about it. And
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: again the fueling and like the water stations that you
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: can set up super super critical. What advice would you
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: offer for the virtual marathon?
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Tim, Honestly, you covered most of it. I don't disagree
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: with Cheryl. Maybe for your first one, get out of
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the city or find a route like the West Side
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Highway or Central Park where there's no cars.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: The red lights are horrible.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I somehow only stopped at one that it was miract.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: Have a hard time believing that.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: It's Strava. Man, it's on strong.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I think I caught one green light my solo through
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: New York. It was torture. But yeah, get friends involved.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Best advice, let people know for sure.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Great question from the audience about goal setting. I'm going
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: to make this applicable to like all running cool. The
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: question is, how do you decide what goal you want
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: to set when it comes to your running Do you
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: want to kick us off to Tim?
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Sure?
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Goals for me are one of the most stressful things
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: about running. I try not to pick my goal until
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: race day, believe it or not. I try my best
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: to put myself in a good position to know that
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I will be happy with the progress that I've made
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: over my training block. And then I wake up on
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: the race day and I say, all right, this is
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: what I'm going to try to bust out today. I
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: think that there's this obsession with your marathon time. I
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: want to break three, I want to do two forty five,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I want to do I want to break four. I
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: go about it from a pace perspective, because that's what
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: all my training is is, is all right, let's try
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: to hold seven minute pace or eight minute pace for
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: this long And I'm going into New York saying I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: want to hold this pace or I would be really
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: happy with this pace and not worrying so much about
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the time because time is a flat circle and we
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: don't need to worry about it.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Wow, time is a flat insight So insightful, Cheryl, talk
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: to me about your thoughts on setting smart running goals.
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: I should have taken notes because Tim is dropping some jewels.
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: Don't worry.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: This will be live on the Hurdle Feed coming this Thursday.
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: Thank you. EMILICHA.
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would really try to stay away from a
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: hard and fast target. When I tend to train, I
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: look at a pace range and try to kind of
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: stay within that range, and then I look at the
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: different types of runs that I'm doing in the training
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: and then kind of target that that's just to hold
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: some integrity of my runs so that I'm not just
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: out there not being strategic, but also not putting too
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: much pressure on like Tim said.
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: The actual time.
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: So if you kind of know your body, you know
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: your ability, you know when you're pushing yourself too hard
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: and you know when you're not pushing yourself hard enough.
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: So in training, just trying to find that nice comfortable
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: medium determining where it is. Usually those are the first
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: few weeks of training where you just don't set a goal,
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: you just kind of see where your body is, especially
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: after this pandemic where we were all kind of all
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: over the place. I mean, we didn't really know what
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: our bodies were going to do when we really started
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: training again, and so it was like, let's just kind
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: of see where it's at, and then a few weeks
• 59:33
  Speaker 8: you'll settle into a pace that's comfortable and then maybe
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: just push yourself a little bit on some of those
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: runs and it'll all work itself out at the end.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I also think it's like kind of important to stress that, like,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: not all your goals need to have anything to do
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: with pace or time, right, like the goal of making
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: sure that you're having a good time on your run
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: and setting specific goals that again have nothing to do
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: with that time. And not to judge again, and I
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: say this all the time, but don't judge your beginning
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: too harshly. Make sure that your goal is just that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: it's your goal, right. I think oftentimes it's super easy,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: especially in the age of social media, get roped into
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: that comparison trap. If I'm not running this fast or
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: doing this thing or running with this group, then I'm
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: doing it wrong. Nah, Like ask yourself, like what is
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: it that you really want? And then move forward from there.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: The last question of the night pre race meals. I'm
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: gonna kick this one off with.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: Matt James.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Oh Man.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: If you've ever seen The Office, you know how Michael
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Scott carverlated before, I wouldn't do it on race day,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: So I would say for me personally, I just go
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: to whatever my comfort food is and it just happens
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: to be pasta. So that night before I don't eat
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: like you know, like a like a someone who's been starving.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: I just eat something that is going to fuel me
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: through the day, and then after the race that you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: like I've been starting. But I like, like everyone said
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: on the panel, just like not doing something different. It's like, oh,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: I've heard that you get a lot of nutrients from liver,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: so I'm gonna have six livers tonight.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: It's like, like, don't do that.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: Like, find something that is that's your comfort food and
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: it's going to fuel you through the day, and then
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: go crazy after.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Sex whole livers. Tim, how do you feel for race?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I think I think you know how I feel about
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: what I drink, which is I have a glass of
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: red wine before every big race, and it's kind of
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: a symbol for me to relax and not take it
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: so seriously.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: It's not life or death. And so I've passed that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: tradition on to some people. And I know him eats
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: no food.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: He only drinks it.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Pairs nicely with a I do pasta and grilled chicken.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I cook at myself always every time.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Superstition.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: You it's it's a control thing. I think, Yeah, I'm
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: all let that one go for now.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, grilled chicken, pasta, one dish, right, not going crazy,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: and then a glass of red wine.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: And yeah, that's it, Melody.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: So I'm gluten free and have been for many, many years,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: and I have found that sweet potatoes tend to be great.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: But I start like nothing new on race day. Once
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: I start getting up into the higher mileage, even if
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: I'm only training for like a half, I start having
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: those meals like the meal I have the night before
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: is not very different than the meal I had the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: week before my long run. A little hack that I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: learned last marathon is I find as soon as I
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: hit like the fifteen twelve to fifteen miles, I get
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: really hungry on the run and the fuel that I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: have with me isn't enough. So I have gluten free
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: steel cut oats with cashews and dried fruit in the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: mornings for breakfast. And that was like when I discovered
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: that that was like a game changer for me as
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: far as like keeping my energy level throughout.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: You brought something up that's important that I was going
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: to ask Cheryl about what are you eating in the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: morning before.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 8: I would just tell you to try it beforehand whatever. So,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: because you really need to know how your food digests,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: that's really important. And so if I'm out in Staten
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: Island at seven o'clock, I usually start eating banana and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: peanut butter on a bagel on the bus, and so
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 8: I'll have like half of that on the bus, and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: then maybe thirty minutes to forty five minutes later while
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 8: we're hanging out, I'll have the other half of that,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 8: and then I'll start fueling about and I usually do
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: the Martin drink, So I'll do one sixty about an
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: hour before the start time and then kind of go
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 8: from there. That's just trial and error over the years,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: but you really have to think about that ahead of time,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: especially for New York because you spend so much time
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: on Staten Island.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: I can't stress that enough.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: If you run other marathons, you can just leave your
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: hotel room if they're out of town and just cross
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 8: the street and you're at the starting line.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: You can't do that for New York.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: So you really need to pack your lunch and pack
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: your breakfast, eat it on the ferry, eat it on
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: the bus however you're getting there, and just be strategic there.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: But know how this stuff digests, because that's the last
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: thing you want is to be waiting on the line
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 8: and don't make it on time.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Oh the rule, the golden rule. Nothing new on race day.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: The way that we're going to end this here today.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: One of the most popular questions I get is people
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: asking me for running playlists. I don't offer them. I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: don't have anything good to like completely wholly put into
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: the world, because my running playlist has been a compilation
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: of every song I've ever run to since I was
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: in college and started running. I embarrassingly enough, have a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: song that all unveil after you all unveil what your
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: most embarrassing song on your running playlist is? Right now,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: I'll start, Okay, I'll kick this off. My most embarrassing
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: song on my running playlist is about Us by Broke Cogan.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Are you serious?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not even kidding.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: She's a musician.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: She was back to day.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: You're a few years younger than me.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: I watched I watched The Hogan Knows best the reality.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah she has. She she has some tracks, all right,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: embarrassing running music, Oh my god. Please.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: I So I have the running list that you have
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: where it's everything I've ever listened to since I started running.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: But I also have the stuff that, like, I won't
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: let other people listen to. But I think it's like
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: like this theme song from the anime Your Name, but
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: it's like Japanese and like fall on, like Japanese bop
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: and it's awesome. But if anyone else walked in, there'll
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: be like, what are you listening to?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Tim, I'm not embarrassed by this, Okay, just put that
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: into club.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: By not embarrassing at all. I'm exacintely on my own.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: But weird a weird, a weird song. It's an outlier
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: in the rest of the playlist, So.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: Okay, But Cheryl, I was gonna say, fifty cent is
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: probably half of my playlist.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: I'm just kidding on.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: I think what's embarrassing about my playlist is that it's
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 8: super super ratchet. So if anybody who's run with me
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 8: and heard Sarah's shaking her head, it's super super ratchet,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 8: like so much so that you're like Cheryl listens to that,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 8: but for some reason, it takes me there.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: It works for me. I think it was all those years.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 8: You know, I'm a little bit older than many of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: you listening to NWA and ice Cube and all of
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 8: them back in the early early nineties.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: It was really really raw.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: So that's what really is probably embarrassing because some things
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 8: you don't want to play out loud, but you know,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 8: it is what it is.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: It gets us through the twenty six miles.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: I would say it's all the same genre because, like
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: I was saying, for the first marathon or half I ran,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: I was like super jitiery and stoked to run, so
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: I came out like a cannon. So when I run,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: I like.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: To listen to like soothing music. So it's all R
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: and B music and a lot of Laurn Hill.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna hit us with like it
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  Speaker 2: was all classical.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, not classical. No, I can't go, I can't
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  Speaker 3: fall asleep. I just need to be there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking us Lauren Hill. Nothing could be embarrassed about that.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of Lauren Hill.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, I do want to get around of applause
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  Speaker 2: for our amazing panelists up here for Joe me this evening.
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  Speaker 2: I also do again want to thank our friends at
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Lululemon for hosting us tonight. As I mentioned, there are
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  Speaker 2: a slew of raffles in the back and all of
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  Speaker 2: the proceeds from these raffles will go to Back on
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  Speaker 2: my Feet. But again I do want to say thank
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  Speaker 2: you to all of you for being a part of
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  Speaker 2: this community here in New York. And of course also
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  Speaker 2: for those of you that identify as hurdlers. I'm so
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  Speaker 2: grateful for you. You know how it goes, another hurdle conquered,