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Katie Maloney and her mom, Teri · Untraditionally Lala

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  Speaker 1: Hello, my love, it is yours truly, La La Kent.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Give Them La La Podcast. We
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  Speaker 1: are fresh off of what would have been the finale
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  Speaker 1: episode last week, but because we're all such a hot mess,
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  Speaker 1: you get the finale tonight and I can't wait. I
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  Speaker 1: actually am feeling a little nervous today because I mean
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  Speaker 1: not to have Katie, Katie Hi, how are you boo?
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  Speaker 2: Hi?
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  Speaker 1: I have Terry Maloney and I shook to my core
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  Speaker 1: because terror Bear. We watched last week's episode together. We
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  Speaker 1: were together the night that we filmed the finale, what
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  Speaker 1: would have been the finale, and Katie going in on
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  Speaker 1: Raquel and I didn't realize that obviously. I know you're
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  Speaker 1: a fucking star, but the internet went wild for you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so when you and I spoke about having you
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast and then I saw that the internet
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  Speaker 1: was like all about you, I started feeling nervous. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh my.
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  Speaker 3: Gosh, gosh, that's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to read all the comments
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  Speaker 3: or anything yet.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're getting a lot of love.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can I do a shout out? Yes, I
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  Speaker 3: just I have to shout out my my Betty Danny PEELGRENO,
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  Speaker 3: thank you so much for your sweet text message and
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  Speaker 3: showing me love. And Ryan Bailey also for always just
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  Speaker 3: the support.
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  Speaker 1: Two great human beings. Yes, good, I love that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: You've got a lot of support.
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  Speaker 3: With so many appreciation post which I daily did. It
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  Speaker 3: was so cute. Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: that's my real estate photo.
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  Speaker 1: Terry Maloney. She's a real estate agent by day and
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  Speaker 1: just savage mother by night. I love it so very
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  Speaker 1: quickly we won an MTV Movie Award.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Best on Screen Team, which.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know because it's so funny. In the
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  Speaker 1: photo that they chose to promote us to get people
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  Speaker 1: to vote, we were all fighting in all of those photos.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I guess depending on how you
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  Speaker 2: look at it, we we make a good team, whether
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  Speaker 2: we're fighting or we're getting along. So I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what's good to watch.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what it's about, is that even in
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  Speaker 1: our in the chaos and the fighting, we always rally
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  Speaker 1: around each other when that time comes right.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it was it was deserving.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I wish because that, you know, it is
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  Speaker 2: such a sort of I think it's big deal. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not I know, it's not like an oscar, but
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  Speaker 2: in the world for us, in our world, it is
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  Speaker 2: you know, to be able to have like been on
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  Speaker 2: stage to accept but you know, support support the writers.
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  Speaker 1: And support the writers.
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  Speaker 2: Equal wages and fair wages and everything all of the above.
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  Speaker 1: Do we each get a popcorn? Because I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: put one in the office? Okay? Good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean we're by name.
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  Speaker 1: Well I don't know. I'm like, do we just get one?
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  Speaker 1: And we have to know we.
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  Speaker 2: Were each nominated, but as a group, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Okay, yeah, so yeah, that's my understanding.
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  Speaker 1: Well, can it go in my office? Please?
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  Speaker 2: It's I think we're all getting.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good, Otherwise we're drawing numbers out of a hat.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think, yeah, no, it's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: one award for all of our names on it.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I was wondering.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and esmamas are all proud of you guys, so
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  Speaker 3: I mean, very very proud. I just wish, yeah, I wish,
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  Speaker 3: yeah could have been there in person to really experience
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  Speaker 3: the whole event. But it's still it's still a neat Let's.
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  Speaker 1: Put it out there for next year. Yeah, we'll be
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  Speaker 1: asked to come back to present that the writers get
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  Speaker 1: exactly what they want and deserve, right, and that we're
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  Speaker 1: nominated again.
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  Speaker 3: I can.
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  Speaker 1: Let's jump into last week's episode. Okay, so we saw
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  Speaker 1: I can't get this out of my head. So Dana
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  Speaker 1: kept referring we watched the finale what would have been
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  Speaker 1: the finale episode with Dana and yeah, and they kept
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  Speaker 1: referring to Raquel as a barnacle, which gave me all
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  Speaker 1: the life. So that's what I will be referring to
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  Speaker 1: her today. So Raquel is not Raquel or Rachel, She's
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  Speaker 1: Barnacle today. So we watched the Barnacle purchase the Lightning Necklace.
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  Speaker 2: I know, Andy, when I was on watch, I was life.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I cannot believe that there's footage of this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was it was all in plain sight.
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  Speaker 2: Everything like that was happening in the shadows was also
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  Speaker 2: like just in front of everyone's face.
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  Speaker 1: But that people think it was the starting to think
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  Speaker 1: that it was stage because of how much there was
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  Speaker 1: Oh please, no, I.
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  Speaker 2: Know anytime anyone tries to stage or self produce something,
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  Speaker 2: it never works. It always backfires.
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  Speaker 1: It always backfires.
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  Speaker 2: And if production had cotton wind and like knew for
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  Speaker 2: certain that this was actually going down, they would have
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  Speaker 2: like they would have uncoverted, they would have they would
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  Speaker 2: have beaten people to a pulp to admit to it.
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  Speaker 2: That's like, that's just how it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Like they don't.
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  Speaker 2: They don't like let things. They would have kept cameras
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  Speaker 2: rolling into Christmas time if if that's what it took.
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  Speaker 2: But no, they like they you know, I think they
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  Speaker 2: kind of were like, well, yeah, it does seem off,
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  Speaker 2: but if this is really how you know, the dynamic
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  Speaker 2: is between this group and Ariana's fine with it and
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't seem to think that there's anything fishy going on,
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  Speaker 2: then we're not going to press.
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  Speaker 1: It, right, And I think we all know firsthand filming,
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  Speaker 1: like when I hooked up with Ariana, they were beating
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  Speaker 1: that horse until someone admitted that that happened, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like no one let up on it. Yeah, but not
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  Speaker 1: once did a producer step in because you know, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's reality TV, but news flash, y'all, it's a produced show,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Okay, to break that to you, they would
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  Speaker 1: have pressed all of us. We all would have gotten
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  Speaker 1: pulled aside and that's what I think.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think also because people are saying, well, Sina's
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  Speaker 2: dress designers said that they saw Tom and the barnacle
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  Speaker 2: standing on the barnacle making out, and producers were right there.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think that they were saying that
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  Speaker 2: they were right there. I think they were just saying
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  Speaker 2: like they were nearby. So the fact that they were
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  Speaker 2: being so cavalier about it when there was production, if
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  Speaker 2: production would have seen that, oh my god, they would
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  Speaker 2: have pulled out they would have pulled out a cell phone,
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  Speaker 2: they would have captured it. Like they wouldn't have just
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  Speaker 2: like like turn a cheek and been like, we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to say anything. No, this would have if if
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  Speaker 2: anyone had known or had evidence or had seen something
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  Speaker 2: with their own eyes or had like proof, it would
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  Speaker 2: have been uncovered in the one season. And so like
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  Speaker 2: everyone's like, why is everyone acting so shocked and why
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  Speaker 2: why is everyone so surprised if everyone knew, Because we
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  Speaker 2: didn't know. We had a hunch, there was the intuition,
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  Speaker 2: we had feelings, but we didn't have proof. We didn't
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  Speaker 2: have evidence, so like we couldn't really say that like
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  Speaker 2: this was for sure happening.
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  Speaker 1: I like to compare it to like going to court.
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  Speaker 1: You walk into court and you're like, my gut is
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  Speaker 1: just telling me that this person did that. It's like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the jury size innocent. We had nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember telling you, just being like I like,
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  Speaker 2: until there's evidence or physical proof or something like, there's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's just really fishy that she's flying to
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  Speaker 2: Roseville or Sonoma or whatever it was to go to
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  Speaker 2: a show, not telling her friends, not posting that she's there, Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's fishy, Like that should have been evidence, but there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't evidence. There wasn't anything too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I caught that before. And one time I was talking
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  Speaker 3: to Katie and I said, you know, I read something
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  Speaker 3: on Instagram or saw a post or something, and me
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  Speaker 3: as an outsider, I mean, yeah, I'm insider. I get
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  Speaker 3: inside scoop up. Before any of this was brought to Lie,
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  Speaker 3: I even thought, well, this is kind of weird that
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  Speaker 3: she would fly there, not only that, not post anything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: she was obviously there, but again it was a well
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  Speaker 3: kept secret.
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  Speaker 2: As much as that tells us that something was going on,
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  Speaker 2: there still wasn't proof, and it wasn't you could go
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  Speaker 2: and tell that Toriyana and she'd like, so she has
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  Speaker 2: friends in Sonoma, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. However, when I when I told Sena about that
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  Speaker 1: Sonoma trip and she said she went to see her
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  Speaker 1: friends and I said, no, she was spotted at that show.
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  Speaker 1: She did not post when she always does. That was
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  Speaker 1: the very first time, and I've I've said this before,
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  Speaker 1: that was the first time ever that Sheena's mind started
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  Speaker 1: going like that is weird the first time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that was huge. Yeah, and that show.
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  Speaker 3: What month was that? Was that? November?
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  Speaker 1: I want to say it was maybe like December, December
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  Speaker 1: and January.
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  Speaker 2: It might I think it was November, was it? I
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  Speaker 2: think that tracks? Yeah, I feel like it was November.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you have you have a better Well maybe.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of had a clothe in because I remember
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  Speaker 3: you telling me about Bravo Khan when when Raquel was
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  Speaker 3: wearing what are we calling her rachel or whatever you want?
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you want?
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  Speaker 3: When when Tommy made that comment to you when you
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  Speaker 3: she was wearing the sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 2: And following, yeah, following on them around like a little puppy
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  Speaker 2: dog and going to their panel like I wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to anyone else's panel, Like the way Yeah, just the
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  Speaker 2: way she was being such a like groupie fangirl of them,
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  Speaker 2: and I was, you know, I was, I was like
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  Speaker 2: being a little patronizing towards him, and and I could
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  Speaker 2: just see him just get frustrated. Yeah, that's when he said, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he said, she she wasn't there for me.
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  Speaker 3: Trust believe me, she wasn't there for me. So that
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  Speaker 3: was that was, And that was in October, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: And on tonight's episode, I do call Tom aud On
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  Speaker 2: that you do, Yeah, and you'll see what he says.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight's episode is going to be like gut wrenching, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because so many people. Do you feel like you were
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  Speaker 1: directly affected?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you mean, of course.
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  Speaker 1: By sand of All and Raquel, because I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like I was directly affected. I feel like I was
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  Speaker 1: directly affected in the sense that sand of All kept
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  Speaker 1: coming for me and saying all these things to me,
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  Speaker 1: and Raquel kept calling me a mistress. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: I was like pissed off, but obviously like, well you
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  Speaker 1: had you had the schwartzy with.
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  Speaker 2: Her, but also like not giving me any kind of
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  Speaker 2: grace or empathy during a like my divorce and that
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  Speaker 2: transition and right, you're difficult and just and saying like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, fuck her, she left you, man, she left you,
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  Speaker 2: like in propping shorts up and making me feel crazy
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  Speaker 2: and like I was being out of line and you know,
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  Speaker 2: doing things to be hurtful right while they were being
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  Speaker 2: disngross people behind everyone's back. Like, of course, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I was directly affected by that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I sat with her many a night. Well,
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  Speaker 3: she was going through it, you know, and it was
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  Speaker 3: going so well, it was going so well, and they
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  Speaker 3: were still in the house. I was with them, we
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  Speaker 3: were packing up the house, and they were doing really
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  Speaker 3: really good, you know, and it was very important to
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  Speaker 3: them to keep it amicable. And it's like it just
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  Speaker 3: meant the world to me too, because you know, Tommy
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  Speaker 3: was part of our family, right, he was like my son,
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  Speaker 3: very very well, it was my son in law, but
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  Speaker 3: I mean we had a bond, and he had a
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  Speaker 3: bond with the entire family, you know, the Katie's brothers,
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  Speaker 3: and so it was very important. And you know Katie
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  Speaker 3: comes from when Katie's dad and I divorced. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we kept it very amicable. We kept it so that
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  Speaker 3: we can still get together as a family. So Katie's
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  Speaker 3: it's not abnormal. You know, some people think it's so
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  Speaker 3: weird to you want to be friends with your acts,
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  Speaker 3: But what's so weird about it? But anyway, the pain
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  Speaker 3: that it caused her just from the interference that was
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  Speaker 3: going on. And now, as it turns out, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: because there was really an emotional anything going on with
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  Speaker 3: Tommy and Raquel.
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  Speaker 2: It was well, there wasn't even then. It wasn't even that.
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  Speaker 2: Back then, I said, how many times I say to
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  Speaker 2: like you were to Christina, I'm like, if they like
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  Speaker 2: were had genuine feelings and it was just like some
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  Speaker 2: Romeo and Juliet shit like Starcross lovers, I would be like, right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have to do Yeah, I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to accept this. But it wasn't. It was never that.
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  Speaker 1: Well I think what's now looking back and knowing what
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  Speaker 1: we know now, not only was it like they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have feelings, it was like just for fun, like they
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  Speaker 1: treated your feelings like, get over it, it's just fun.
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  Speaker 1: They would away, we're single week And now we realized
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  Speaker 1: that it was to throw off the scent. So you
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  Speaker 1: were also a sacrificial lamb. We don't care how we're
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  Speaker 1: hurting you, because we need to get the scent off
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  Speaker 1: of you know, the two of us, and Tommy's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be the one who helps us do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And the same time knowing the pain that it's
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  Speaker 3: causing cares.
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  Speaker 2: And for tom to sit in that scene with Standball
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  Speaker 2: when he walks in with coffee all over his shirt
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  Speaker 2: like a slob, Now what is that?
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: A slab?
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  Speaker 2: Magob?
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  Speaker 1: Like? Just yeah?
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  Speaker 2: He And and to say like, you know, if I
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  Speaker 2: had known like the you know, the fallout from this
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  Speaker 2: and how you know he was gonna affect Katie, I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have done it. I'm like, are you out of
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  Speaker 2: your mind?
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  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: If you had known? I had how many conversations with you,
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  Speaker 2: with Raquel, with everyone. You knew exactly what the consequences were.
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  Speaker 2: You knew exactly. How could you not know that this
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  Speaker 2: was going to be the outcome?
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  Speaker 1: You've got to in some way feel a little bit vindicated. Well,
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  Speaker 1: of course, because you have people online. My my feed
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  Speaker 1: is filled to the brim with people talking about how
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  Speaker 1: they owe you one hundred and one apologies. Not just
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  Speaker 1: the group, but like online little trolls. Yeah, so that's
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  Speaker 1: got to feel pretty fucking good.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean it does. I think. I think just
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  Speaker 2: there's just been an entirely different lens of light put
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  Speaker 2: on me and my entire situation with Tom and the
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  Speaker 2: like our history, all of it. So it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Nice and and I've heard you say this as well,
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  Speaker 3: La La. I can see it in Katie's face. I
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  Speaker 3: can see just especially like well that photo like I
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  Speaker 3: was telling of you and Joey last night watch What
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  Speaker 3: Happens Live, just the glow and the piece. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: mean it's so and and the photos that you posted
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  Speaker 3: on your trip recently, I mean I can just see
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  Speaker 3: it change, right, you know that, like the whole world's
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  Speaker 3: been lifted off the weight of the world's been lifted
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  Speaker 3: off his shoulders. It's so apparent, and it just makes
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  Speaker 3: me feel so.
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  Speaker 1: So good as a mom.
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  Speaker 3: I it was a rough summer right last year. It
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  Speaker 3: was rough. You know, they were moving out of their house.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the thing that just as a parent, and
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  Speaker 3: that's why you saw me break down and cry a
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  Speaker 3: couple of times, because it was rough going through it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they were giving up their home. It's hard
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  Speaker 3: enough when you still love each other. They obviously both
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  Speaker 3: had nothing. They loved each other, you know, and sometimes
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  Speaker 3: when you make the decision to divorce, it's because you
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  Speaker 3: just can't live together, and it doesn't mean you don't
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  Speaker 3: love each other. So that right there was really really hard.
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  Speaker 3: And like I said, us three spent time in the
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  Speaker 3: home packing it together, just trying to keep things in
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  Speaker 3: a happy light, you know, just nothing was strained at
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  Speaker 3: the time and everything, but just knowing how hurt, how
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  Speaker 3: much Katie was hurting because she didn't want to give
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  Speaker 3: up that home and it hurt me. And you can't
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  Speaker 3: you remember like how excited she was when they got
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  Speaker 3: it and she says, Mom, it's in the best school district.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to raise a family.
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  Speaker 1: You and I want to jump into this since we're
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  Speaker 1: heading in that direction, let's dive into that entire scene.
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  Speaker 1: Raquel comes and sits down because in that scene speaking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, talking about school districts and things like that,
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  Speaker 1: you were you were creating a life with this person.
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  Speaker 1: So when you repeatedly say to Raquel, that was my husband, husband,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want people to think that like you were
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  Speaker 1: still holding onto the relationship because you weren't out moving
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  Speaker 1: on with.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to drill it into her head the
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  Speaker 2: depth of our relationship, right, and that she just didn't
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  Speaker 2: she couldn't grasp the life that we had and that
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  Speaker 2: we were planning for and what that meant for me
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  Speaker 2: to give up.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: She was lacking so much empathy. She could not, for
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: the life of her understand what I was going through
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: and what, you know, the gravity of it all, you know.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. So I was like, that's
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: my husband. My head, like you don't you don't understand,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: like you've only had Yeah, you're with James for like
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: I guess the length of time, but like you didn't
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: even live here, like you've only had these like little
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: sort of relationships, like little high school kind of things.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Like you don't you can't even grass, you can't even
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: wrap your head around.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Well, it goes back to the first night we had
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: dinner at vander Punk Paris, yea, and what she sat
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: next to me and was talking so openly about how
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: much you know, oh yeah, I would love to make
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: out with Tommy.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Remember, very strange.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Remember I looked at you and I went I can't believe.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: She and I and I appreciate honesty, but the way
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: she was talking about it, it felt sick.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: It felt it was the same thing when the first
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: time that we met up with her, and I was like, yeah,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: like she is like trying to push like Schwartz on,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: We're callin. Is she doing that to you too, We're callin.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Cal's like yeah a little bit, and she goes, I mean,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't date them, but like I mean, I like.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I do like Schwartz a lot.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: It was and I would like make out with him.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, I just sat there like staring
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: at her, and I was like, I can't believe did I.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Just it's something that maybe I mean, it didn't even
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: seems weird for her to sit and say in front,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: but you know, the mom's sitting there.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Well, the mom where you and I don't think even
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I can grasp what I can in the sense that
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I have a child, but like even the way that
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: my mom feels about Ocean, Like when I ask her
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to explain it because I'm into things like that, I'm like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: what does it feel like to be a grandmother? And
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: she cannot even put words together. She just starts sobbing
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Terry You they get married, they've been together a long time.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: He's like your son. You're thinking, like, this is a
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: whole that we're going to fill with grand babies, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: you're envisioning a future. So when you start talking to Raquel,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: trying to get her to wrap her mind around it,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and she's not getting it. In fact, she rolls her
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: eyes at you and says, oh god, well.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: That was yeah and that. But I'm still thinking back
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: to vander prep Paris because that nice.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Well she didn't grasp of it.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: That she didn't grasp but then and I tried to explain,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: and it was so fresh. They had just moved out
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: of their home the month before, right, so they were
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: both they were dealing with so many emotions, and you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: as a parent, it just hurts when your kids hurt.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: You hurt doubly that.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: But this means yeah. But I think that's also why
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: people kept calling me a hypocrite, because they're like, well,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you can't feel this way, but then go out and
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: like hook up with people or do that. I'm like, yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I know two things can be true and happening at
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the same time. Like it's not they're not mutually exclusive here.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: We were just trying to get Raquel to understand that
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: her being so flippant and cavalier about what she wanted
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: desired was inappropriate. And it's like, just because I'm doing
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing over here away from everybody, doesn't mean
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that what you guys are doing would still be potentially hurtful.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And that can be true. Like, it's not me being
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a hypocrite and or me being selfish. It's the truth.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely the truth. And no one was willing to
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: put themselves in your position because I can bet my
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: ass on if I started hooking up with James or
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you started hooking up with James, oh my, there would
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: be hell to pay.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: If if Ali hadn't come along, wasn't James in some
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: weird universe, James and I, this wouldn't happen. But like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: if that were to happen, everyone would have lost their shit,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Like we would have been crucified, no doubt in my mind.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So like for everyone to act like, oh yeah, Schwartz
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and Maquel like obviously, like they're just two like you know,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: good looking single people, like just trying to justify it
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: in their minds I'm like, are you out of your mind?
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Like did she not not understand or not care? Because
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you guys keep saying like we really tried to get
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: her to understand. But the more I watch her, I'm like,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I feel like she understand.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Don't you don't think she grasped.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I don't I think she didn't care to try to understand.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: God agreed, Yeah, yes, I agree with that. But we're
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: talking about a girl who I couldn't even grieve the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: loss of my dad and her have any sort you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: like my parent is gone. When you can't even have
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: empathy or sympathy for someone whose parents just died and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: give her a little bit of grace, you're certainly not
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: gonna care if you're kissing someone who's in the middle
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: of a divorce. You know, that was like whatever. She
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: also could have thought like it's all good because this
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: compared to what I'm doing.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, you're gonna child, so you're gonna be gross
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: out in the open and even gross behind, Like, oh god,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know how she's got any sleep, to be honest,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: but I mean, she's not human, she said, bother her.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Do you think she would have done this, and Schwartz
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: would have done this if there were no cameras, if
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: you guys were just a friend group.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. No. I think she said at
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: one point it would be good TV and that's it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: And that angered me even more because I'm just like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: oh now, it's like you just are really being just
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: careless with my feelings.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: That can I tell you? It was when you got up.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: We were sitting I think we went to some club.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: This scene didn't make it in the final season, but
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you got up and it was me, Arianna, Sheena and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the Barnacle and she said, but it would make great
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: TV and not for the like the three of us.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Arianna Sheen and myself looked at each other like, oh no,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Like this girl really thinks that we're on a different show.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Like we we look out for each other. Still, we're
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: filming a show and we want it to be great.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: But we're like a real life friend group. We don't
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: do things for the camera, right. We always have the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: best intentions at heart.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: People ask me that all the time, you know, how
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: much is this for real? And I said, it's all
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: for real.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: But I think that's what makes vander Pump rules great. Absolutely,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: is that you see us all together. I spoke to
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: someone yesterday and she was like, but who are like
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: your best friends outside of the show, And I'm like,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to break this down for you.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I don't really have any like these are my friends. Yeah,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: cameras are up or down. I'm hanging out with them, right,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: It's not like that with every other show.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you know, it's real. It's real. No, And
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: going back to your question, as a matter of fact,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: when that whole big kiss went down as pathetic as
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: it was now visually looking at it, we didn't know then.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And when I say weak, because like I said, I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: spent a lot of time with Katie and you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: and it was major. Katie text me in the middle
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: of the night. I was the middle of the night
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: for me from Mexico, like just repeatedly. I mean, she
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: was so upset, so upset. I have never ever and
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I think, Lala you probably know this, I have never
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: ever interfered in their relationship. As much time as I
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: spend with them together, I did spend with them together.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I never ever called Tommy out on anything or you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: of course, I see all these episodes and things not happy,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: but you know they're working it out. This is their life,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: this is and it's never been a problem. I've never
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: ever ever stepped in. But I was so upset because
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I was up most of the night, you know, texting
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: back and forth, and then as a mom, I can't
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: go back to sleep. And I told Katie, I said,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I really really really want to say something to Tommy. Now.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: She says, you can. So I sent him what sum
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: might perceive as a rage text.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: No, it was I it was. I read it. You
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: sent it to Katie.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was there when I was texting.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually I gave permission to if they wanted
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: to show it. And basically I called him out and
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I said, you know why And he said pure pressure.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: And I told him, I said, you know what, because
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: he knew all along. He knew, and he knew and
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: he knew, and it's like, that's not an excuse for
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: a forty year old man. No, absolutely, you know, it
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: is not an excuse whatsoever. But you know, the damage
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: had been done and the pain, you know. And I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: told him, I said, you know, I never ever interfered.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: And this is one thing that they didn't show last night.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: In our conversation Tommy and I for the tasting, okay,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: was that I said, I never ever interfere in your relationship.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to this, to actually knowing what
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: you're doing intentionally, it's one thing to hurt somebody. We've
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: all said and done things in our relationships that you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not proud of either, but you know, just out
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: of your little squabbling, But to intentionally hurt her and
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: cause her so much pain. I said, this is where
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I step in, and this is where I came. There,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: my mama, there steps in and I choose my daughter
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: over you. I've never wanted to take sides in your
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: relationship and I never have.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Oh Tho, there's me chills, Terry. Wow, I can only
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: imagine that when Ocean gets older, if someone did that
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to her. Yeah, you're getting an actual rage text because
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I thought that Actually, your text was very well spoken,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it was eloquent, it was I loved it. I mean
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I remember that night. I for the first time in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a very long time, I felt disgusted and my heart broke. Sorry,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: You're gonna.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Make me cry.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I was so angry. Yeah, and I said it to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: she and I was like, I'm not going to your
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: rehearsal dinner. I like the fact that you all have
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: had a hand No one's hands are clean in this
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yes it's Tommy, and I never call him Tommy. It
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: is Tommy's fault and Raquel's fault. But at the end
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of the day, everyone in this group has dirty hands,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and I won't be a part of it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Like, not one person stepped in and said, maybe don't
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: maybe this isn't right. Maybe just like no one, not
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: one of them. Everyone was like, yeah, I mean you're single,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: you're free to do it. And these are people that
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: were in our wedding right, that were part of our
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: lives from pretty much the inception of our relationship. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: again it's like, I you understand if like you don't
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: like me and you feel closer to tom but it's
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: like for them to have been on this ride with
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: us and had the conversations you know, over the years
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and seeing certain things and asked me, like you don't
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: deserve this, Katie, Like what he's not being fair to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you or you know, just have been there through ups
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and downs, un to like at the end of it
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: all have them behave this way, and that's.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: What totally blew my mind. I could not comprehend how
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: they could be so heartless. I mean, this is a
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: real life, This is real stuff that's happening, real emotional,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: hard stuff. It's hard enough to go through what you're
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: you know, a divorce and selling your home and all
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: that other stuff that goes along with it, but then
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: to cause so much pain and I mean, just I
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: just I couldn't comprehend it. And it's like, why are
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: they doing this? Why? You know, I do appreciate your
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: love and your support because that mant a lot. Because
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Katie said, I feel like I have no one in
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: my corner. I feel like I'm alone in this.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: You know, well, kat Katie and I had many conversations,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and I remember you saying, Katie, like, I need someone
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: who's completely loyal. And did you feel like when you
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: watched the season, because there were a lot of conversations
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I had that you weren't a part of. And I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: did try to explain to you like I'm here, I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: know that i'm going and there's dinners that I'm having,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: but I'm like one hundred percent on your team in
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the sense.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I knew you. I knew you were. I wasn't. That
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: wasn't me speaking about like you necessarily, but it was
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: like going from being accepted by like everyone and feeling
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: like I'm part of this group, whether I'm getting along
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: stay with everybody, to feeling like I don't have a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: place here. It wasn't necessarily saying like I don't have
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: anyone in my corner, but like it was just it
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: was like I was. It was very isolating.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I get it because I felt like had had they
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: not brought Christina on, I mean, it just would have
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: made you with me.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I know, and if you weren't there, couldn't be there.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh my god.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And it brought tears to my eye when I saw
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: a play out when it aired. I can't remember what episode,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: the night that it happened and everything, and you told
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: she and she says, what just happened to Katie happened
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: to me, and I feel her pain and I'm going
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: to be with her tonight. She's my girl. I really
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: brought tears to my eyes. I was watching that, yeah,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: because you know, I just I know what she was
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: going through, and you knew what she was going through,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: you know, and you had empathy and just real caring
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: concern and that just meant the world to me.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I will always be here for you, maloney. I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: love you dearly. And no one makes me laugh like Katie.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you what you are fucking hysterical. I want
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to talk about what people did not see last night
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: at that dinner, because it was extremely heated the moment
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that Raquel decided. So I was talking to Lisa Vanderbomb
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: when Raquel decides to sit down with Katie. When I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: come over and sit down next to you, Terry, you
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: say to me, You're not gonna believe what Raquel is saying,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and so I start. You know, I got my ears open.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I'm watching and trying my hardest because I was like,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we have turned a corner. We're not gonna crazy. On
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the final night, Yeah, I my mind was blown, and
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I love that you told her to shut up.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I was embarrassed by that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I know you I was.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I know you were embarrassed and Mom shouldn't be talking
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: But my mom, when she watched it, said I would
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: have grabbed her by the neck, and I said, God's assault.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I had the hardest time before when you came over
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: and I said, you can't believe because the things that
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: she was saying, in the tone she was saying to Katie.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Christina Kelly was sitting to the right of me, right
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: even though it was mind I kept whispering to Christina,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: please don't let me say anything.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Please, I was holding it in and you hadn't said
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: anything at that point.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I just it was a minute. It was a minute.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: That conversation lasted a while.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Everyone around us was just sitting there listen, and I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: was just That's why I eventually I looked around and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, is anyone hearing this ship? Because I'm
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: personally just shocked there was people were gasping. I could hear,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: because just for her to sit there and tell me
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: what she doesn't like or appreciate and how I'm handling
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: my relationship with Tom or like our friendship, and how
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: we do you know, getting involved in that when she's
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: been here for like I know, she's been around, she's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: been in our orbit, you know, as James's girlfriend or
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: fiance or whatever you want to call it. But she
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: does not know Tom, she does not know me, she
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: does not know our relationship. She she has zero clue.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Now this was the season of her getting to know
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: this end of the of the group.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, like all of a sudden, the in charge person.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just so you just raged text him because
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: like you heard us like that we made out, Like no,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I text him about it, saying because here's the thing.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I know people want to say, like you were never
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: friends with her cow so there's no girl code. There's
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: no this or that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: There's always a girl code by well right, but okay,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: so the thing if you if you don't know how
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: to read between lines here without me having to say it,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: because there's a fourth wall and we don't talk about filmings.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: The first rule about filming is we don't talk about
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: it that I did not want Tom to or don't
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: want but like when we agreed that it would not
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: be healthy, and what I didn't want to do is
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: talk about Tom kissing people on the show, another cast member,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: because like that why like because to me, I wouldn't
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: do that to him and make it a storyline that
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: he's now got to talk about in interviews and impress
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: and it's on social media. Like it just was just
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: something that was like, can we just keep it out
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: of here?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: You know, and he agreed. He's like, well, I don't
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: like who am I going to I'm not like, I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: not into anyone. I'm like, all right, then great we
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: agree so like not to like make it about show stuff,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: but it's like, can we keep it out of the cast?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And absolutely that's what people don't understand that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I think we can read between the line.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: But some people don't understand that, just like because now
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: that it happened, now I got to talk about it
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and talk about it in every scene and talk about
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: how I feel about it, and I don't want to
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: do that, Like I want to heal, I want to
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: move on. I want us to be friends, and this
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: makes it difficult. Like you know, Tom had to talk
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: about Satchel one time after meeting, you know what I mean.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And by the way, he never would have had to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: talk about him. But what I don't like is when
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: people choose the playing field and then when you beat them,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: they suddenly don't like the game. Right, Tommy chose the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: playing field, and then everyone had like an issue with
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you bringing a dude around and you have a boyfriend
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and you it's like, what are you talking about?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I brought a date I didn't break a boyfriend, like,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: chill the fuck out, everyone, Chill the fuck out.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: You know what really bothered me too, that when she
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: really struck a chord with me when you guys were
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: having that argument, like I said, I'm refraining, refraining refraining
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: is when she said something like and I'd appreciate it
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: if you don't Tommy about.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Oh no, she says. She says, I don't really appreciate
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the way, like when you threatened texting him about the dogs,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: taking the dog, like I didn't threaten to take the dogs.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: When we originally had a prenup. We had something in
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: there about the dogs, and I suggested that we may
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: be adhere to that so we don't have to have
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: constant communication, like get your facts straight, and also like
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: this is none of your business.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: And I think that's.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Where back off. Your heart started pounding. And I remember
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: saying to Sandoval and and this was also cut out
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: because sand of all chimed in on that he piggybacked
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: off of what she was saying about the dogs. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I said, this is what a grown up relationship looks
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: like when it doesn't work out. Sometimes you got to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: share the dogs. Sometimes you got to share the kids.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Like it just happens and it's already messy enough. Ye,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: stay the fuck out of it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you took your dog and told James
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to kick Rocks doesn't like right, That's not what Tom
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: and I were doing. So like you were like we
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: couldn't get along. We were like fighting constantly. So I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: was like, I don't want to have to see you.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have to talk to you, So like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: let's figure out a situation where you know, And.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: That is always a risk when you decide to part
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: ways from a person. It could be it could go flawless,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: but there can always be a shift, and when that happens,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: things gotta be switched up. And it's devastating. But it's
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a world that most people on our cast cannot comprehend.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: You can talk to them about this until you're blue
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: in the face, but there's not one person who's been
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: in a relationship where the stakes are so fucking high. Ye,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And that is frustrating to me. It's frustrating that you
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: have to scream at Raquel about what a husband means
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and what a life together means. It's crazy to me
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that we have to tell Tom to stop getting involved
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and what a separation looks like now right now, they're
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with a house, which that is
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: not you know, they're gonna have to go through things
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that I don't think they ever thought they'd have to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: go through. But what you guys also didn't see, which
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: was insane.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, because so yeah, basically things started. You can.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Actually it's crazy because when I watch that, I see
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: in a moment like you see like my chest sort
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: of like rise and then fall and that sort of minute.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: The adrenaline kicks in right and I'm like, I'm gonna
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to light her on fire. So then my
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: mom gets well and then when Sandoval chimes in, so
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: like my brother Joey was there, you didn't really see
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: him around, well what because they kind of he didn't
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: just chime in. No, I know, I know, I'm after
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: getting there, I'm getting Oh. So so when Sandoval starts
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: going in on me and going after my mom for
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: telling her cal to shut up, He's just speaking in
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: ways that are so disrespectful to me and my mom.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: So my brother steps in and tells him to basically
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: shut his mouth.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Well, what he did was is because they were standing
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: over there, and when I made that comment and then
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: he talks about Katie pulling her mom and to help
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: defend her and all of that, it's like, so what
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: he did is he walked over and sat across from
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: me and got in my face and told me I
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: had no right to stay out of their business and
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: stop making up my business. And that's when I said,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: she's my daughter, right.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: This was not shown when he didn't, but.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: With his you know, house vains possing he gets, he
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: had that expression and he was like freaking out and
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: he was like he didn't just say it. He was
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: yelling at me. And I wasn't even aware that Joey,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: my son, was back, you know, and he stepped right
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: in and came right in and was trying to calm
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Sandoval down, and it took him a second, and then
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: he did, and just as as Joey turned around and
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: started to step out, he was back in my face again, right,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: and Joey, I was so proud of him. You know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: you're not going to talk to my mom that way.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Then Joey stepped away and Sandoval came back in my
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: face again, and at that point I was like in hysterics.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is just way too much that
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: he's I had that visual still and.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: That, Joey had to step back in again and say,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I mean it, I'm gonna I'm gonna say.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: If you say, if you say another thing to her
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: or to.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Her, any points at Terry, any points at at Katie.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: But he does not break. He is a laser. Joey
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: is a laser focused on Sandival. Sandoval cannot even It's
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the first time I've ever seen Sandoval cower and just
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: say like okay, okay, And he was like, do you
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: hear me? You're not going to talk to her that way?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And you're not going to talk to her that way
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: or you're going to have a problem.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: It was Bravo released thing funny. Now he's the unshown
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: hero there.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile Tom Schwartz is literally hiding in the bush.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, whistling because I asked Katie afterwards, I said, where
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: was Tommy? And all this one you know, why didn't
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: he step And I mean, bless my son. I mean,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I just love him and I was so proud of
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: him for that.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: You should be very way handled it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: And the fact that you know to protect his mama
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: that way. I just loved it. But Katie, I think
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: it was Sjoe that told me, oh, he was hiding
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: in a in a plant or something like that, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what he meant.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Until you watch, until I saw and he actually.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Was a moment terry where you were like you or
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Joey or even you, Katie, You're like, our family is
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: maybe better off with Auschwartz, and maybe you don't want.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: To at that time. No, okay, no, no no, because
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I was still emotionally caught up. I mean, it sounds,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: it sounds silly, but you guys, you'll experience that. I mean,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: you know, it's hard. It took Katie a long long
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: time to get past this, and you know, it probably
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have taken as long it had all this stuff
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: had happen. But no, I was emotionally torn for a
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: long long time along with her. You know, we spent
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: many hours on the phone if I wasn't there crying
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: together and just you know. But another thing that I
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: wanted to make mention is my other son, Rocky. Katie's
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: brothers are extremely protective of her as well, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: and I just love them for that, but when he
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: he heard what had happened, that was when he posted
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: that video. And this is Rocky back Utocky now my
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: youngest son. Yeah, when Joey texted him and I called
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: him and someone told what had gone on and everything,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Rocky made a video pouring their bourb and Tom's good
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: love and bourbon and I don't know the.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Comment dumped it down the drain, and yes he did
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the whole bottle, and.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody on social media was when what the heck went?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: That was why he wanted nothing to do with the
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Toms anymore. He didn't want to support them in any
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: way because nobody, nobody talks to your mom and sisters.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I was actually and and you know, I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: love me a good mama, but I'm going to say
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it because I'm extremely offended by sand of all thinking
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: it was okay to talk to you like that Raquel thing,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: It was okay to roll her eyes at you and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: say what terry. And not only did they do that,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: but cut to the confessional that Tom does saying how
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it was tacked hack for him for you to get involved.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: What I would like to say is I think it's
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: tacky that your mom doesn't get involved in enough, sand
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: of all, I don't think she finished the job with you.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: So that's a PSA announcement, sand of all, if you
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: could call your mama tell her she either done, fucked up,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: or didn't finish the job.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: No, it's pounding no, like you do not fuck with
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a mama. But I was like, my mind, you even
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: asked her who raised you?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Where were you raised? Like just it's completely feral, just
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: in the streets, just anything goes like I don't understand this,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: do you like just being again, I've said this so
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: many times. She's morally bankrupt just to just just done,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: like I doesn't have any kind of compass, no direction
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: in terms of like how you navigate life in a
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: way that is ethical and appropriate, and just lacking in
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: every department necessary to be a decent human.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Right well, yeah, and then to think about what she
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: was doing behind this s that's what I mean. It
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: just her sitting there with with you know, I said
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: last on last week's podcast, You know, I don't think
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: she's soulless. I think she has a soul. Rewatching that
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: scene last night and really breaking it down when She's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: at the bar with Arianna and she asks her, so
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: do you think you guys will work it out? And
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Ariana's like, well yeah, and she like grabs her crooked
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: nose and is.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Like, ok okay, okay.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And in that moment I rewatched it, I was like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: oh no, I think we're dealing with a soulless uh.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Dana was talking about it being either a psycho psychopaths
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: are or sociopaths are born that way. Psychopaths are not.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's what maybe it's no switches but.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Sister born sociopaths are made or something.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Well that just put the stamp of like, Okay, I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: think we might be soulless.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I agree because I was on the same page as yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: And you go back and you look at the moments
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: of her, or at least I do, throughout the season,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: and it was she's thinking all about her fuck, fuck
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: all of you. I think she would have fucked over
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: her own sister or brother whatever, because you can tell
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: she's so I'm gonna say it, she's so thirsty to
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: solidify her place on screen that I think when she
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: comes to you Laila a few episodes back, and she
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: wants to have a talk and you think she's gonna apologize,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: and then she starts being like but you or whatever
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: she said, and you're like, wait, are you here to
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: apologize or start a fight with you, Katie? Which I
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: know I want you guys to talk about, but forcing
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: herself into these conversations and like appearing out of nowhere
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: in the sir back parking lot, it's like, oh shit,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: it's like a jump scare.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: It's like what are you doing here?
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: And the kiss with Schwartz like fuck everyone else.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It's so thirsty to.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Be like I'm here and I'm making a mark, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: it's like, well, you don't belong here, because.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: That's not the vibe. That's not the vibe. This is
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: not season one through four. We're in a different we're
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: playing a different game now.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: It was it was always very disturbing to watch, and
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: she was in the way she played off was just
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: like you know what, I'm just coming into my own
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I'm finding myself. This is me. I'm in my single
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: go era, I'm in my baddy boss whatever whatever she
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: was proclaiming, whatever she was proclaiming to be, it was
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: just like, you're not going to behave this way and
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: then throw some ridiculous like titles over it to say
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: that like this is what this is, this is my
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: whatever era you think you were in, you're just a mess.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I just could not comprehend, like you said. Do you
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: think she just didn't care? Or do you think she
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: just didn't understand? Both? Actually, I mean both. And let's
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: just put aside the fact that I'm a mom. Anybody
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: that's hurting, anybody that you've caused pain to, regardless of
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: what the situation is, you're you know, somebody's sitting in
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: front of you going, don't you get it? And you
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: know why you hurt me? And for her to be
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: so hurtless and just not even apologize, I mean, it
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter if I'm a mom or who I am.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Just let's just say you're just some viewer and I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and if.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I hurt you so much that you're sitting on and
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: in front of me telling me, guys, you hurt me
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: so bad, a normal person would go, I'm so sorry,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm so very sad. I mean, it would
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: hurt me to know if I hurt somebody that bad,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: even if it was intentional.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Well, even her apology in the alley, which By the way,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: can we just like pay homage to the fact the
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: last scene pretty much being in Sirs back alley, It's.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Just a full circle moment iconic. She ruined that scene
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: because I saw it Katie and Tom in the alley
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: and I was like, yes, we're back, baby, and then
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: she came in and I'm like, you've ruined this iconic zea.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I know that I hurt you, and the fact that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: it was me hurt you even more.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what say, Tommy, it am I on right now?
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Tommy sitting there going no hear her out here.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Out I don't want to hear her out I don't
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: want to hear her apology after she's left, and he's like, well,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: didn't say that, You're like I said that, I've said it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I said that, but like, no, when she comes, just
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: for her to come out there, like I've already heard
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: enough from you tonight, bitch, Like walk away, walk away.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: We're trying to I'm trying to talk to tom now
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: so we can what. I don't know. I don't remember
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: what I was planning on saying to him or what
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: that was conversation was going to be about. But her
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: coming in and then them just having their little laugh.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: They're like, you know, we were just like it was
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: just like our little lady you bro thing. We were
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: just like exploring and having fun. I'm like, are you
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: are you guys just like laughing together right now in
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: front of me after like everything that just went down.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: So I just start mocking them, being like this is
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: so much fun, Like get all the fun we're having,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Like please go away, Like this is so weird you guys?
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Are you guys have lost your damn mines, lost, lost
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: the plot, lost their minds, lost it all.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Like well, I mean, I'm sure that like the Barnacle
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: has a tough time reading in general, right, she ain't
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: gonna be reading between the lines, that's for damn sure.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: She certainly ain't reading in a room. But it's like,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: did you not just see Katie? Katie literally just told
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: you you're in fing ce you next Tuesday. And you
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: think this is the moment and then you laugh at her, yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and then you think this is the moment when she's
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: in the back alley with her soon to be ex husband,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that's the moment you choose to deliver an apology, Like
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's when you take a step back and go,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: you know what, I messed up. I'm going to give
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: this some breathing room and I'm going to send her
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a message tomorrow that just says I get like the
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: level of we said it and have a sue. She's
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: truly insane.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, she That was the weirdest I've never seen
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: somebody go through like a It was maniacal.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: It was insane because she was We were having a
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: really good time in Vegas, like we had. We had
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: so much. So yeah, there was the comment about not
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: having a man.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: We shook that so fast though.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: It was fine. And then we and then that whole
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: It took us like four hours to get to have
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: a sue, but we had such like a bonding moment.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is great, look at us, Gal's
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: coming together. And then we get to have a sue.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And she shows up to dinner as a completely different
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: person and it just all goes to shit. And then
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: she goes back to LA and gives a very very
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: very different version of the entire trip to everyone, and.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: They all believed it and a Telly that would track,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: but that is not how it went down. I think
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: what they don't understand is people can evolve, people can change,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: people can be humbled. But because that group at the
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: time had never experienced those types of things, they just
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: thought that Katie and I invited her on this trip
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: to I don't know bully her is basically what she
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: said we did. Yeah, could not have been further from
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the truth. But I remember after HAVISU and I don't
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: know if I shared this with you guys or not,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I have a scene that didn't make it with Sena
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: and Ariana and I tell them how the trip went
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: and what she said about not having a man, and
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: they laugh about it and they talk about that being savage.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that's so savage now.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Right, not so savage when it's your man that she's fucking.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I am thrilled that I have
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: treated her poorly for many years because look at what
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: she does to people that are nice to her, right,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: That's that's why I said, Ariana is like, I don't
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I think she's broken, Like, I don't think it's like
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: this is somebody who like is just does this to
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: some people, not everyone. I don't think she's like I
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: think she's this is a flaw in her and I
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: would be careful, like I don't don't I know unders
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: saying that she's a good friend, but like she's I
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: think she's evil, right, I think she's truly to her
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: core evil person.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: And we praised that line on last week's podcast episode
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: because that was we totally agreed when you said that, like, this.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Is who she is. She's showing you who she is.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: She doesn't just treat some people like shit and then
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: some people wonderfully I think, and I compared it to
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: like when you go out with someone, if they treat
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: the waiter like shit, that's who they are. When people
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: show you who they our, believe them, and it's usually
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: the negative traits. And that was so spot on. It's
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: like she's not just evil to some people and an
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: angel to others.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: That's who she.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Is and it's who and it's exactly what she was doing,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: like I know, I like and and for her to
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: have that conversation with Ariana by the back bar in
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: the last episode and trying to take temperature to see
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: if Arianna was maybe you know, gonna try to break
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: up a sandal or something like that, or she could
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: convince her to all under the guise of trying to
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: be a friend, right, Like, that's the evil. That's evilness
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: right there. And so I just.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: I've never come across a person a lot of this
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: nature ever, So it just again I'm still trying to
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: process it all over right mind, you know, I just,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, she definitely needs some sort of help, help,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: she really really does, and that and it's that's I'm
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: not even excusing all that she did because of it either,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: because it just was NonStop and you know what, I
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: couldn't understand us all along throughout this season. You girls
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: were like given the title of the mean Girls, right,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: but yet how was it not perceived that what she
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: was doing was just as mean and just asking I.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Just it comes down to, like I've brought this up
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to you, it's a likability thing because she's always been
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a likable person. She was, you know with James, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: she was this sweet, sort of like meek person who
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: couldn't really stand her ground, and then hear she is,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: you know, stepping out on her own and this whole thing.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Were I in Lalla for the past how many years
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: have been someone who's strong and assertive and has opinions
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: and it's a very misogynistic thing that goes on that
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: people don't whether it's male and female, that that feel
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: this way about other women, that it just is not acceptable,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: it's not palatable. It rubs people the wrong way. It
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't make you very likable. Some people admire it, what's up?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: But you know that for other people they're just like
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: they you know, you become a bit, you become negative,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: you become difficult. It's just not like likable things. Even
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: though there it is. I think it's a great quality
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: to have to be. I think it is strongly, but
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: to other people that can like because again, missogyny. If
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: society doesn't, they don't uphold women.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: That do that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: No, they want women.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: They smile and they're bubbly and they're always in a
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: good mood.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And even though society says that we should be
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: a certain way women and they want to empower us
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and they want to like move us up the food chain,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the actions are proving otherwise, right, because there are consequences
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: when you're vocal as a woman, when you stand for something,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: it's looked at as you know, you're volatile. She must
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: be on her period, she's difficult, yes, And you know
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not willing and I know Katie's not willing to conform.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be this cookie cutter chick that
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: that rubs you the right way. If I rub you
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the wrong way, that's a you issue that has nothing
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: to do with me. Yeah, you seem to be someone
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: who has a lot to hide, and when Katie and
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I come along, we're gonna sniff that shit out. So
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: we immediately become a liability to you.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we become a problem because we're not going
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: to let you get by so easy.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: But and then it plays in their favor because they
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: can go back and say, oh, they're miserable la Lage,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: just bitter.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: You're right, you're not vindictive about it at least, you know,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: maybe because they know you both so well. But you're
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: just no bs and you say it like it is,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I know, and you're not mean about it. It's just perceived.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: It's perceived that way because people are like, well, you've
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: been so mean to people that I'm like, no, I
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: don't take people's shit. If someone's treating me a certain way,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to defend myself in a way that is
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: a Yeah, it's assertive, and so it's not me being
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: a bitch to somebody. You have to take an account
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: what just happened before that, Like, all right, somebody's if
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: somebody's coming at me or treating me away or speaking
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: to me in a way, I don't just cry and
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: turn myself into a victim. I will bark back like
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I'm That's just how I am. And it's but again,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: people see.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: That annas Raquel puts it. Rachel oh, when she was
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: making that comment, Oh well, yeah, now I see where
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Katie gets it from talking.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: You're damn right. You wish you wish your mama gave
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: you what Terry Maloney gave Katie.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Not only that, Katy and I both laughed and said
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: she should be thankful.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Sandy wasn't randma, Sandy, don't play your mom.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, Terry.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: She literally asked me back in the day when I
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: had just met her, Katie and I were finally in
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: a good place, and she goes, you know, I was
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: just wondering because they said you gave blow jobs and
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: got a rain drover, and I was genuinely curious if
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: the technique gets you a range rover versus something else,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh shit. I was like, I
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: don't know, should I be teaching a class?
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom comes off the wall with some things.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: They're like, that's right.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: That's why I told the girls the other night that
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: you know from a started at a young age, like
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: when I was in like fourth grade, and you get
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: into like little arm you know, first fights with your
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: friends and stuff. She's like, you know what, you don't
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: take that ship when that happens, you just tell them
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: to eat and die.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you what. All right, you encounter the
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: person like Katie or myself, you better know that that
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: is generations of fucking savage women, all right, Yeah, this
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: is a generational thing. Women don't just appear like me
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: and Katie.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you want if you if you don't
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: want any trouble, then don't come asking for if you
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: like again, because you know what you're gonna get with me.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: You're gonna get the smoke. Why do people sit here
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: when you start puff puff passing, You're gonna get the smell.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're doing if you're fucking with me, you're
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: gonna find out.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: You're gonna find out.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly because I'm not somebody that just takes that shit
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: lying down. So don't turn around and be like, why
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: are you being so mean? Why do you think? What
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: have you been doing? How have you been treating me?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Of course I don't. You're not gonna get away with
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: that obviously, So like, if I'm being a bitch, it's
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: because you're you're not being you're acting right.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: You're not acting right. Come correct, And I will treat
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: you if you treat me like a human being, if
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you're kind to me, for you can at least have
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: a conversation, you know whatever, if we need to discuss.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: It, then we can. I'll treat you very differently. But
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: if you start acting a fool and you start fucking
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: with me, I'm but you.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Know, and I do have to say though I shared
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: this with Katie also as I and she knows that anyway,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: she's had so much growth because she does have that
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: personality trait where no bs and sharp tongue and all
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: of that. I mean, I'm not embarrassed to say it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: not you know, a good trait of mine either, but
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: you know it is passed down generation and it's not
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: that I have a real sharp tongue. I can hold
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: it in and refrain it and keep my composure somewhat
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: like like you saw me do, because that's not really
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: what I wanted. I really wanted to tear enter. But
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: I see that in Katie, and it's I really admire
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: that in you as well, Lala, when you can get
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: it off your chest and be real, be direct. This
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: is not you know, I don't appreciate this, whatever it is.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: It's confront you know, a confrontation of whatever. Keep your
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: composure and still get it out is. And that's even
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit more intimidating on the receiving end of
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: it because you're saying like you're saying it like it is,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: but you're so composed, And it's just I see that
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: kind of growth in Katie, and I admire it, you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: But I also think a lot of it comes from
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: what y'all have just come out of, right, the experience,
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: the painful experience that you both just went through, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: you you live and you learn and you take these
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: and I've always taught Katie this growing up. You use
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: them as stepping stones. As painful as it is, it's
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: just taught you what you're not going to put up with,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: what you don't want in former relationships, whether whether it
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: be female or male relationships. It just makes you stronger
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: as long as you can learn from it, grow from it.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: And that's what I see you both.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: As long as you're not dumb bitch.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Oh well, but you know some people don't. I know,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: you'll turn around and get right back in the same
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: kind of relationship or you know. But you both also
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: accepted accountability and take taken some responsibility of things that
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: didn't go right, you know.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: And I also think you and I took after our
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: relationships ended. I mean, what are we How long has
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: it been since your relationship ended?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Soon over a year? It was like last February, So
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: what are we in May?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Ye're in long.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I am happy that you and I took a beat
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: to go out, have fun, experience other men, and not
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: jump into a relationship because I think that when you
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: experience any sort of trauma at what, at any type
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: of level in a past relationship, you jump into another
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and it will manifest itself.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Well it's yeah, it's called transference. You just transfer the
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: same trauma, the same everything into you don't have time
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: to heal or process or really.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Right and That's what I mean by taking what you've learned,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: you know, and building on it, growing, you know, and
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: like Katie said, taking time to heal.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but focus on us.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: With that being said, if the right man should pop
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: and be right in front of you, then you know
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: it is what it is. But no, I'm placed to
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: in place that Katie's enjoying herself and and dating, and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: that's the right. I feel so much better just knowing
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: where she's at. Even though we just had to rewatch
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: it play out, and you asked me a little bit
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: ago if at that point did I think it would
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: be best that Schwartz was not in our life. That
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: was a real hard thing to let go of. And
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: I get told Katie, I said, you know, it really
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: hurts me that I feel this way about Tommy now
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: because I saw it play out and I saw how
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: he intentionally did and said things to hurt her. You know,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: we all watched the same show, right, so just seeing
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: it play out all I was getting from what she
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: was being time to actually visually see it and some
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: of the things that he said below his breath, like
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: at the after the beach disgusting. When you guys went
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: to the bar and he was trying to get Katie's attention,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: and Katie wasn't being rude. It was like, you know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: I said hi, and then under his broth he says
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: to stand of Oh God, I hate Katie. I'm so
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: glad I'm not with her. Just seeing that play out
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: hurts me so bad because it's somebody, Like I said,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: it was a family member, right, you know, and I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: know her brothers and sister in laws feel the same way.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: It's like, we loved him. I was just with Joe's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: wife Valley the other day and she said I loved him.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: She was, but you know, I'm just afraid the next
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: time I see Am I want to punch him. Yeah,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: she said, he's just what he's done to you know.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah. So Katie's got a lot of love
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: and support from her family, Absolutely love and support.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy the season is almost done.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we got three reunion episodes.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, you guys have tonight to look for now.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: You have you guys seen tonight's episode yet, because I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: know usually you get to pre watch him.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Well at this point in time, because we're recording early,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, but when it airs yeah,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I will have seen it, and it's a wild one.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: We know that, right.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: It's all scannabal, it's all scannaval.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: This is all stuff that was filmed in March. March,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: so it's like everything in the previous episode was September.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's the future.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: So I want to thank you Katie and especially you
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: for coming on my podcast. We are going to head
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: to the grove now to see Christina Kelly and her
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: new babe. I'm hungry, let's eat, all right, you guys,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to another episode. Enjoy
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: VPR tonight and I will catch you for Tonight's breakdown
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: next week.