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6-29-26 Hour 2 - Too much technology in sports?/Jokic hasn't signed an extension yet/Oh, By the Way... · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardy and Kane on demand.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let me make a detour for a second
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  Speaker 3: and talk about the World Cup. And this is something
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  Speaker 3: people are gonna think I'm stupid for.
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  Speaker 1: Don't care.
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  Speaker 3: That's how I feel. I saw at the end of
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  Speaker 3: I believe, was it Columbia's game d'Or an extra time?
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  Speaker 3: There's a goal scorer. They go to vaar and the
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  Speaker 3: guy's got like a toenail that's offside. They do that
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  Speaker 3: giant invisible wall thing and they're like, oh, look at
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  Speaker 3: you can see the tip of his shoe is over
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  Speaker 3: the line. And I think the same thing in baseball,
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  Speaker 3: where you know they can go to review. Now if
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  Speaker 3: a guy steals second and as he's sliding into second,
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  Speaker 3: his hand pops off the bag for a second despite
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  Speaker 3: beating the ball clearly, and they're like, well.
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  Speaker 1: You're out.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, is this really what we're doing reviews over?
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  Speaker 3: Is this the point? And I want to ask in soccer,
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  Speaker 3: is that the point of the off side thing?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what we're trying to do here. Either you
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  Speaker 1: want technology or you don't.
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  Speaker 4: We've made the same argument in the NBA when a
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  Speaker 4: ball goes off someone's hand and it sort of falls
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  Speaker 4: off a finger.
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  Speaker 1: So technology will take it down to the DNA evidence
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  Speaker 1: all the way down to that.
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  Speaker 4: If you want technology, you go by technology. If you
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  Speaker 4: don't like it, eliminate it from the game. He would
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  Speaker 4: you rather have it the old way, where you don't
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  Speaker 4: have that extra set of eyeballs, a computer running the operation,
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  Speaker 4: and you.
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  Speaker 1: Just have to live with it. No, I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: employ technology. Okay, it seems I mean, it seems a
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  Speaker 1: little in the spirit of the law. It seems a
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  Speaker 1: little silly, but.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but there's some I'm gonna give you an instance
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  Speaker 4: where var replay all this stuff would have changed the
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  Speaker 4: course of history in soccer World Cup soccer. Look up,
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  Speaker 4: if you don't mind, look this up, Brett the hand
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  Speaker 4: of God. When you when you type in the hand
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  Speaker 4: of God on Google, show me what comes up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Diego Maradona goal.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was an obvious handball, and at that time
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  Speaker 4: they had no way to prove it.
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  Speaker 1: They had no way to go back and look at it.
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  Speaker 4: They had no way to overcome the the lack of technology,
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  Speaker 4: and it changed the course of that World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: It changed course of history.
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  Speaker 3: But that's why to me, that's what it could be
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  Speaker 3: used for.
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  Speaker 1: It's what it should be used for.
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  Speaker 3: That's an obvious, egregious miss that changes the course of
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  Speaker 3: a game.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, how do you know it's so obvious
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  Speaker 1: at the time.
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  Speaker 4: How do you You can't pick and choose when to
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  Speaker 4: overtake calls?
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  Speaker 1: You can't, well I can, well, sure you can, so
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  Speaker 1: sure you can't. Okay, So I ran? Then I ran.
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  Speaker 4: It cost them a goal for that country. That's an
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  Speaker 4: obvious call that I don't know what's obvious in your eyes?
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  Speaker 4: Obvious is big, right.
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  Speaker 3: I Again, the examples of things that we always get
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  Speaker 3: in arguments about, not us, but just as sports fans
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  Speaker 3: getting arguments about, are always the spirit of the rule thing.
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  Speaker 3: And that's kind of what I'm in on, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with the the did you complete the process of the
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  Speaker 3: catch stuff, it's like did it look like a catch not?
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  Speaker 3: There's different things like in baseball you're out of your safe,
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  Speaker 3: did you beat the ball or not? Armando Gallaragua is
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  Speaker 3: a perfect game that was shut down that last out
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  Speaker 3: by Jim Joyce very clearly should have been overturned.
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  Speaker 1: That's the stuff that I think the rules like this
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  Speaker 1: should be usful.
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  Speaker 4: I think what's changed now though, is the amount of
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  Speaker 4: gambling money that goes in on these games. People want
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  Speaker 4: these damn decisions right, and that's why technology is overtaken. Hell,
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  Speaker 4: it started really in tennis with hawkeye vision. If a
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  Speaker 4: ball's out, if the ball's in. They rely on that
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  Speaker 4: after every serve.
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  Speaker 1: You got a funny story about tennis, all, I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you momentarily.
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  Speaker 4: In baseball, brothers and base it's part of the deal.
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  Speaker 1: What's a catch? A catch of football? Oh? I can
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  Speaker 1: give you seventeen different definitions of a catch? Come on, touchdown?
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  Speaker 1: What's a catch? I don't, Hey, what's what's uh? What's
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  Speaker 1: rough in the passer? Yeah? I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Football football has all these distinctions. He's talking about World
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  Speaker 4: Cup soccer. And I'll tell you what's off sides. It's
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  Speaker 4: pretty easy. Are you are you there or not? And
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  Speaker 4: these lines, these var v A R animations essentially they
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  Speaker 4: show you what's off side.
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather have that, Brett, personally, I'd rather have that.
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  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, but then the dude with
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  Speaker 2: the flag who's running his ass up and down, up
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  Speaker 2: and down the sideline. Yeah, throwing his stuff in the
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  Speaker 2: air and all this kind of thing, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean, waiting to see what happens and then throwing
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  Speaker 2: his flag in the air.
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  Speaker 3: But it reminds me like when sorry to bring up
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  Speaker 3: bad memories like Landy's offside thing all of that, Like
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  Speaker 3: it's is this what we're trying to do with the
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  Speaker 3: rule here or what.
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  Speaker 1: I listen, I don't dic by the way, I know
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  Speaker 1: they with you.
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  Speaker 4: It sucks for the team that where it gets overturned
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  Speaker 4: and you're it sucks, But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: you institute technology.
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  Speaker 1: To get it right. So either you get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the technology or you move on.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll give you an example in the same sport.
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  Speaker 3: You can't be a toenail off side like that guy
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  Speaker 3: was in the Columbia game. But kind of you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you're within twenty feet of where the ball went
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  Speaker 3: out of bounds, wherever kind of you want to throw it,
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  Speaker 3: you can throw it. Like, well, why aren't we precise
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  Speaker 3: about that? Then if we're gonna be so precise that
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  Speaker 3: the tonel can't be offside.
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  Speaker 1: The ball goes out of.
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  Speaker 3: Bounds, the guys grab it, they run fifteen yards down
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  Speaker 3: the field, and then they throw it in. It's like
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  Speaker 3: they don't call them out for that stuff. It's just
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  Speaker 3: it's very picky and juicy, it's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I just say, you seem like somebody who didn't like
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  Speaker 4: the call, and now you're going there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care who won that game. No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: care when that guy.
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  Speaker 4: Here's what I don't like about offsides in soccer because
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  Speaker 4: it is for those who are uninitiated at times hard
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  Speaker 4: to understand the rule because it's not about the last defender.
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  Speaker 4: It's a second to last defender. That's how the rule operates,
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  Speaker 4: second to last defender. And the reason why it's so
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  Speaker 4: nebulous at times and confusing is because guys are moving
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  Speaker 4: in and out, back and forth, and it's hard to
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  Speaker 4: assess when the ball is kicked into the zone. I
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  Speaker 4: believe the one rule they should change with offsides in soccer.
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  Speaker 4: If it's in the penalty area, if it's in the box,
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  Speaker 4: all bets are off all bets.
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  Speaker 1: You can do whatever the hell you want. If you
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  Speaker 1: have a group of players in the box and you
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  Speaker 1: want to be offside.
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  Speaker 4: Have at the reason why the rule was instituted is
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  Speaker 4: to prevent cherry picking, so you don't have this Yahoo
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  Speaker 4: just sitting on the other side of the field waiting
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  Speaker 4: for the ball to be lobbed on them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's why. But if you're attacking and you have
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of people inside the box, I mean, come on, man.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's kind of what I'm getting at, Vig. That
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  Speaker 3: specific thing was not somebody cherry picking. There was somebody
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  Speaker 3: that was trying.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. It's not like inboundary is trying
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  Speaker 1: for a bit moving target.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're trying to like watch the play and
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  Speaker 3: stay with a moving target to make sure you're on
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  Speaker 3: the additude.
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  Speaker 1: James, you want you want, you want a role that's
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  Speaker 1: confounding and confusing.
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  Speaker 4: No, watch Moss, watch Moser's eyeballs. Here too many men
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  Speaker 4: on the ice. Yeah, you talk about confounding, confusing and
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  Speaker 4: what wait what.
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  Speaker 3: There are times we also had eight guys who have
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  Speaker 3: skates on the ice. But it's like, yeah, they're close enough.
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  Speaker 1: Was it this year or last year?
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  Speaker 2: For the first time in my entire life, my career
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  Speaker 2: in the National Hockey League thirty years simultaneous, too many
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  Speaker 2: men of the ice penalties?
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  Speaker 1: What the hell is that? Rights? Have you ever seen that?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: Johnny Everson, No never. My life was in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: that was regular season. Yeah, never saw it my entire life,
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  Speaker 2: and nobody else had either.
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  Speaker 1: It was bizarre. Hey, so, Vic, we're sitting here and
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  Speaker 1: the TV's or on.
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  Speaker 2: We're coming back and bretton Wimbledon has started, right, Brett
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  Speaker 2: and I just randomly bick. We had the most explicitive
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  Speaker 2: filled discussion about a sport I think we've ever had
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  Speaker 2: discussing tennis.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a ward did we form?
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  Speaker 2: Did either of us form a sentence where if foul
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  Speaker 2: ward did not come out?
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  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't wanna. You know, what's your deal
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  Speaker 1: with tennis? Why do you Why do you guys hate tennis?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: I don't hate it.
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  Speaker 3: That's the completely the wrong word. And I hesitate to
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  Speaker 3: say this because I know that people really like tennis,
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  Speaker 3: and that's fine, like what you like. I just I
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  Speaker 3: think out of all the sports that exist that are popular,
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  Speaker 3: it's the one that has literally never done anything to
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  Speaker 3: me before, like, never garnered a single emotion out of me.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know, because you know why, because you
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  Speaker 4: grew up in a poor era of tennis. Emosa and
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  Speaker 4: I were blessed enough in the eighties in the nineties
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  Speaker 4: some of the finest men's and women's tennis ever.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I would I would disagree. Women's tennis really
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  Speaker 1: blossomed when the Williams sisters took over. But in the
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  Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, the.
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  Speaker 4: Level of tennis, I mean, every week there was a
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  Speaker 4: match with there were so many names.
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  Speaker 3: What do you consider why when I grew up because
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  Speaker 3: I remember as a kid there was Agacy and Federer
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  Speaker 3: and guys like that.
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  Speaker 4: Because you grew up in an era where American men's
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  Speaker 4: tennis that's just non existent.
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  Speaker 1: That's why. That's why we had Jimmy Connors.
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  Speaker 3: We had John mas was Erodick was the only.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there were tennis players. We had more to watch.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they did huge tennis articles and Sports Illustrated
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  Speaker 2: back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: And again, yeah, you got screwed this right here, we
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  Speaker 1: had Pete Sampers.
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  Speaker 3: This looks like it's it's a great match. I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: at match duration. It says three hours and fifty six
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  Speaker 3: minutes ago. Wow, that's not for me.
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  Speaker 1: No, not for me at all.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about American men's tennis. There have been
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  Speaker 4: eras with great tennis men's outside of the country. I'm
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  Speaker 4: talking about in the United States. Our era eighties and
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  Speaker 4: nineties MOS was the best era.
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  Speaker 1: It was and you know what vic over the years.
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  Speaker 1: It's not nostologia, pac Man, it's the truth. I've just again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how well you are. I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: this one more time. I'm not gonna get into this
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  Speaker 1: age thing. You might be thirty two, I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: I've been thirty two. You haven't been my age.
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  Speaker 3: There's some breaking news in the NBA. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: think of this what you will. So Dreammond Green declined
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  Speaker 3: his twenty seven point seven million dollar player option. Why
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  Speaker 3: would you do that?
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  Speaker 1: You know why?
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  Speaker 3: Well, according to Shams, this gives the Warriors flexibility to
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  Speaker 3: pursue Lebron James and free agency and Anthony Davis via
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  Speaker 3: trade to form a big four man.
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  Speaker 1: That would be so let him do it. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I do it? I could do it. I would
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  Speaker 1: love it. I have Golden State to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Steph, Lebron A and Draymond is what they're trying to
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  Speaker 3: put together.
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  Speaker 1: Do it go ahead?
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  Speaker 4: It would be so easy to root against that team.
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  Speaker 4: It would be fun, it was. It would actually present
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  Speaker 4: a villain. Give the NBA a team to root against.
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  Speaker 4: Am I wrong?
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  Speaker 3: No, But that's come simultaneously with this that Malik Beasley
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  Speaker 3: has been indicted on federal charges for gambling related to
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  Speaker 3: a sports betting scheme such as points shaving and prop bets.
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  Speaker 1: Wow saw that coming? Wow?
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  Speaker 3: I told you you guys remember that video that we
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  Speaker 3: actually showed on the air most do you remember this?
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  Speaker 3: It was the end of a game. It was like
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  Speaker 3: a nine point game. I can't remember the specifics of it,
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  Speaker 3: but there were free throws being shot. The game is over,
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  Speaker 3: there's like six seconds left. It's where if he makes
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  Speaker 3: the free thrower misses, you just grab the ball, you
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  Speaker 3: hang on to It's the end of the game. And
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  Speaker 3: Beasley does a dead sprint after getting the basketball to
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  Speaker 3: go dunk before the game was over, and you're like
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  Speaker 3: that scene.
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  Speaker 1: Weird.
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  Speaker 4: Knowing his background too, I got to know him pretty
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  Speaker 4: well when he was in Denver, got to know his family,
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  Speaker 4: his parents, What.
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  Speaker 1: Happened, what where did remember?
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  Speaker 4: How crazy it got here? Remember he got into a
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  Speaker 4: fist fight with Sua Craven's Yeah, girl, when did it
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  Speaker 4: go bad for that?
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  Speaker 1: I feel that's all.
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  Speaker 3: Talented player too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he was at one point he was the best
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  Speaker 1: three point shooter volume wise in the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's been in dieted on federal charges. See,
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  Speaker 3: this is another one of those like how do you
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  Speaker 3: sidestep this one?
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  Speaker 1: The NBA has done a pretty good job.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we're talking this says point shaving like that
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  Speaker 3: is affecting outcomes of games.
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  Speaker 1: You watch sports.
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  Speaker 3: Its biggest appeal is that what you're watching is real,
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  Speaker 3: That it's not WWE where where things are already a
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  Speaker 3: foregone conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. This is tough to kind of get by, pretty tough.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the NBA, they're they're really nailing people in a
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  Speaker 2: big way.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so they're nailing people.
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  Speaker 4: They're you're right, the NBA is going out of its way,
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  Speaker 4: especially when it comes to gambling. They're they're jumping up
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  Speaker 4: and down making sure that they get people in this net.
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  Speaker 1: What about this Clippers thing? Why aren't they doing something there?
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  Speaker 3: They get a lot going on a lot. And I'll
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  Speaker 3: be dead serious, like I think if you're Adam Silver,
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  Speaker 3: You're you're you are terrified, terrified of all of these
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  Speaker 3: things because it all affects fairness of the game.
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  Speaker 2: That you're Why are the Clippers trying to trade Kawhi
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  Speaker 2: back to the Raptors.
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  Speaker 4: Because I think they understand they're not gonna go anywhere
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  Speaker 4: with Kui lab Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it is. I think it's to also help
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  Speaker 1: just make this whole thing go away. And you can
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  Speaker 1: bet on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, why did Jim Harbaugh take the Chargers job after
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  Speaker 3: winning a national title?
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  Speaker 1: Well let me let let me go a little bit
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  Speaker 1: further too, Vic.
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  Speaker 2: If something doesn't happen regarding this Clippers thing, I I
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  Speaker 2: don't think.
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  Speaker 1: Anything's gonna happen. Something has to happen. It's been ten
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  Speaker 1: months of an investigation. That is pretty easy to see.
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  Speaker 4: That there's something going on. I mean, just from the
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  Speaker 4: common Are you kidding me.
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  Speaker 1: Today? I do not apology today. I do not apologize.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, man, if it's walking like a duck, it's quacking
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  Speaker 2: like a duck, and it swims like a duck, why
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  Speaker 2: are we talking about, you know, an eagle?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why don't we just call a duck a duck?
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  Speaker 1: Because you duck. We can only do so much, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: every so many people nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: Pablo Torri won a pulletzer about that story, and nothing's happened.
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  Speaker 2: And nowadays people twist themselves in so many pretzels and knots,
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  Speaker 2: trying to prove to you and guess like you that
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  Speaker 2: a frigging.
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  Speaker 1: Duck ain't a duck.
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  Speaker 2: When we come back and you know, listen, man Oukham's razor,
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  Speaker 2: that's a duck. I'm looking at this whole Clippers thing.
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  Speaker 2: Pablo Tory's yeah, winning a pulletzer and nothing, nothing's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing, they can come back. We need to address it.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a story that deserves attention because it's not
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  Speaker 4: just a sweep it under the rug story.
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  Speaker 1: Why hasn't Nikola Jokitch decided.
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  Speaker 4: To sign this contract his extension. There are many layers
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  Speaker 4: to this, and I'd like to get into these layers.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we'll do it next, all right, So here's
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  Speaker 3: the situation. This has happened before these stupid discussions. Now,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it's not stupid this go round, but if you're
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  Speaker 3: a member or last end of season press conference, I
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  Speaker 3: think or maybe it's when they fired Malone I can't remember,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: but Kronky when he went to the partium and said,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: the last thing I want to do is even think
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: about the idea of trading fifteen. And just the fact
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: that he said it out loud. It's not that it
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: was on the table, but he said it out loud.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: So then it became a every Lakers fan goes.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe we can maybe we can position ourselves to
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: go do this in this is this one of those.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Moments, Vic where you see these Jokic might not sign
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: the contract extension. Is he holding the team hostage?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Is it that?
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Or is it Jokic might not sign the extension because
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: more money would come his way if he waited a
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: year and another year on the contract would come.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Which I don't know.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: The answer to that question, and it's the first time
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I haven't had the answer.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I'll give you my belief.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: My belief is the Denver Nuggets are no way in
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: danger of losing the services of Nikola Jokicic to another team.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: I repeat, I repeat, This is not a leverage play
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: for Nicola Jokic because he has thoughts and aspirations to
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: go play for another team.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: This is not it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is, though, I don't know
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: what would prevent him from signing the extension now as
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: opposed to later, because there's risks at play here. And
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: the risk is he just went through the first real
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: injury of his career. What if a more serious injury
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: occurs this season.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: And he's not signed to that extension and they still
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: sign him to the extension.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean he looks watching watching him over right,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: me fantastic.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I think could be in half and the Nuggets would
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: be like I think once we get him back together.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Now, let's let's go to this question. Is this Nicola
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I've heard this too.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Is Nicola Jokic sending a message to the organization saying, hey,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: do something.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: I don't really understand that one either, because what can
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: they do? Yeah, but I'm gonna ask everybody listening, tell
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: me what you can do? Well I suddenly advance yourself
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: to the team that won a championship in twenty three
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: if if all right, let's say, spending into the tax,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: spending in the luxury tax. Okay, let's just talk about
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: that real quick, real quick. I want to get this
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: over with because it's not my money. I don't care
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: if they spend it in the luxury tax one bit.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: In fact, go do it. But I'm gonna ask you
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: guys something. Let's say you resigned Peyton Watson and.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: You keep everybody else, everybody as this.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: You're not gonna have Tim hardaway, obviously, you're not gonna
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: have you Inis found Tunis. But you keep everybody else
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: the core of the team, and you spend it in
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: a luxury tax.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Are they the favorite to win an NBA championship?
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: No?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Are are they the second favorite?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: No?
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Are they third?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: No?
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Are they somewhere in the top five or six?
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Probably? So.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: My thinking is, yeah, you spend into the luxury tax
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: if you know you got it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: If you don't know, what are you doing? You're just
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: throwing money away.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Well, the big thing here is like, is he holding
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: the team hostage?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: They did?
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Well, let's just going through that scenario. I think the
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: front office and organization did everything in their power to
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: make the most ready built champion on paper they could.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Last year. It didn't work, okay you, but they did it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Do you think Nicola jok chupon seeing the roster coming
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: into this season, do you think he was happy with
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: the roster?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: K past year. Yes, yes, yeah. Were we happy with
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the rosters? Yes? Was all of Nuggets Nation everybody listening
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: right now, take yourself back to last August. Were you
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: happy with the Nuggets roster? Will be honest? I was.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I was happy.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I was happy when they went to the postseason with
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that roster. I need that roster to be healthy. They
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: had two big pieces, one giant starting piece that was
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: not healthy.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: What is motivation when he doesn't opt to sign the
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: extension get more bread next summer?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think that's it. And what I don't
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: think that's it that I'm asking the question. I don't
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: think that's it because he can get more bread now,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: signs a supermax, Now, why risk a year?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: But by the way, there's one part of this story.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I guess we should mention he could do it today.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: There's no report that he's not doing it. It just
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: it's might not or hasn't yet or whatever.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: These NBA are so good. You can get something in
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: half an hour that says he signed the extent.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: They're just so damn good at at getting things smoking
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: at there's no there's no fire.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you motion.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: This is what the NBA is it's more about this
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: stuff than it is the actual game.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I think I think the answer that Brett gave is
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: the closest to truth here.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I believe that to be true. I think Nikola Jokicic
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: knows deep down then no matter what happens to him,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: his face can fall off and he'll sign a Supermax.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Somebody will sign him to a Superman. No, no, not somebody,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the Nuggets will.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they there is literally I'm being.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: He could play faceless. He could lose his face if he.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Had an injury, akin to like Alex Smith or Joe
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: thighs me like something that is career altering. Oh my god,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: will he ever be the same if he had the
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: what happened to Gabe happened to him, you know what.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: He was walking through Ballerina and Cale had his skates
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: on and tripped and cut Jokic's leg. They're signing him
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: to the Supermax next year.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: They're doing it because what what's your other option?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: No thanks by generational player, one of the best ever
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: know and he's already reiterated Victa. Let me let me
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: back you up on this. He said, he wants to
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: be a Denver Nugget for life, and.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I believe him. So do I? I believe this is.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: There's no there there in this this is Does.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: He look like a guy who goes back on his word?
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Does he look like does he come across as that
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: kind of guy?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, can I make another? Oh well, it's everywhere.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I mean mark Stein was one of them.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: It's an actual story. No, it's not a fake it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: not fake news.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: It's not fake He's contemplating when he's gonna sign it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: That's it's a real story. Now his reasons are his reasons.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Here's the other element of the story. Maybe he's just
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: waiting to see what the team does.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And who knows. Here's the other thing. Everybody is pressing
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: on the Nuggets for the Nuggets to do something right,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: do something, do something.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: So this whole thing with Jalen Brown's going down the
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: talks with Jaylen Brown and everybody's talking about Jaylen Brown.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's not just the Nuggets. And there's some supposed pieces
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in here.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's Jamal Murray and and who Cam Johnson for
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Jaylen Brown.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: The rumored thing is Murray and Johnson for Jalen Brown
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: and Sam House.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Which would leave the Denver Nuggets without ball handlers, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: that would I don't know how you make that trade
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: without going out and getting some point guards. I just
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: don't think it would work, but whatever, whatever. What's funny
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: to me is that everybody's saying Nuggets do something, and
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: then if they try to do something.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Why did you do that? So? What do you want
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: something or nothing? Are you good with as is?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Or not?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Is a good trade? A trade?
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I mean like Minnesota's done something, They've done something twice
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: now in the off season.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Does that make them better or worse?
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know. So do you want something just for something?
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Do you want the Nuggets to make a splash just
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: because you believe that this era, this core is done.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Because if that's the case, you can't balk in any
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: move they make. Any move is going to be honestly
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: positive move, honestly kinda yeah, like it's it can't be
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: just anything.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Like the reason why I think I would do that
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Boston trade, even knowing what you said about no ball
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: handler that sort of thing. Part of me is like,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: then find one figured out, get some vet minimum contract,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: in here, whatever.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: But does that ve minimum contract going to start?
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: But but here's where I'm getting at you. You don't
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: just make a trade to make a trade. But in
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: this case, let's just take this one for example, because
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: it has been rumored out there for Bill Simmons, a
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: bunch of other people, Murray and Cam Johnson, for Jalen
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Brown and Sam Hauser. Sam Hauser is a guy that
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the Nuggets could use. He's six foot seven, he's a shooter.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: He shot, He's shooting forty one percent from three over
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: his career. That's somebody that can fit with any Yokacha
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: offense for a.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Role, a bunch of great wings.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And you weren't trading Jamal for a dude. You're training
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: for an MVP candidate like that guy is a legitimate
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: player who scored almost thirty points a night this last year.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: It's not a nobody that you're just shaking up. He
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: would change the course of your team. You would change
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the way your team plays the two man game.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Everything changes. So I'm asking Nuggets fans, do you want
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: change for the sake of change? Because that's change, that's
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: a big change. Sure, And now you have to go
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: and patch up your point guard. You might go a
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: season without bona fide point guards and then address it
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the following year. You might have to live with it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the other thing, going back to the Jokic
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: part of this, here's one possibility. Why has he not
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: signed it yet? He's just enjoying his life in Serbia
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: for the moment.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: What's the hurt?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: And he'll sign it in a second, Like, he'll sign
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: it in a few days, he'll sign it in a month,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: he'll sign that. Like do people not know Yokic yet? Like,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: after all these years, do you not know how this
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: guy kind of works and ticks and operates. It's he's
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: doing basketball things in Serbia. Obviously he's playing for Serbia
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: right now. You just saw video of him. He looks
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: like he's in great shape. He's doing basketball stuff, but
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: he also just likes to be home and maybe not
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: have his mind constantly on. I thought it was because
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: he knows the contract that's coming. This read somebody these.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Let me read a couple of these texts and hope
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: to answer some questions because some ideas that are out there,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: and I really invite Nuggets fans give me some ideas
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: because there's there was an idea that was brought up
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: last week when you guys were gone that I thought
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: was really good and I'll tell you what it is later.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Someone says, Zach Levine for Jamal is a better deal
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: than Jalen Brown. It's expiring contract, gives Denver an attacking guard.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: They need moneies off the books next year. That's from James.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: James. I love what you're thinking. I do.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I love the but Sacramento's trying to shed money, shed
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: salary and they're not going to take on more salary.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: They're trying to get They're trying to lose salary. I
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: don't like that, and acquiring Jim Pamaul Murray would give
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: them more. And plus I'm not a big Zach Lavine guy.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Everybody's obsessed with this idea of well, you get an
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: expiring contract and then do what with it? Like the
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: thing about the Jalen Brown thing is he's a player
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: that would be here that you would build with. It's
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: not like so Zack Levine comes in, his contract expires,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: and then what the Nuggets are all of a sudden free
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: agency players.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: They've never been that correct.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: It's also interesting too, though, because Jalen Brown has been
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: in the league, believe it or not, a long time.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's been around for for a long time.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And I guess my question is he's only known Boston
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: his entire NBA career. Would he be happy coming to
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Denver or does he want to go to you know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: is he trying to steer the boat someplace else?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the answer to.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: That, Scott writes and Vic nobody's saying change for change shake,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: We're saying change for a better roster. Well, change is
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: in the eye of the beholder. That's what you'd regard
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: as a good change regards to bad change. I'm telling
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: you right now, a team without a point guard and
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: a ball handler, you're gonna get eating alive in the playoffs.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: So you just watched a playoff series. You watched an
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: entire playoff series, hell, the whole playoff run. If you
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: don't have bonafide ball handlers.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: You will lose. You will lose badly. You have to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: have ball handlers. You can't go into a season without.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: You just can't. So you can make that trade, I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: invite you, but then you have to make a subsequent
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: trade to get some ball hander. You have to.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you just have to.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: You gotta have guards who can handle the rock.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: There are too many good teams that go full court
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: on you, that will just harass you in the turnovers.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Are you crazy? Did you just watch watch what we
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: just saw? Yeah?
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Who are currently? Who are the Nuggets ball handlers? Name
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: them right now.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Jamal and Joker. To some extent, I'm talking about guards.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: I'm just guards because at the end of the day,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: guards are gonna bring the ball up.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: The answer I guess is not Picket then, right, you
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: would show answers not tis.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Well, you'd shove Picket in that conversation.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And and the Nuggets want.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna force feed him into into playing time,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: why ad he getting now?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: That would make no sense to be Brett then, but
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he doesn't play a ton now, And.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Then you'd be saying to yourself, well, we got nothing else,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: so let's force feed him into this lineup. You know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I've been confused on that forever, so I'm completely confused.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. The whole thing about this offseason
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: is is there going to be a major shake up
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: or not? And initially it looked like maybe not, you know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: especially when Nuggets traded out of the first round to
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: acquire draft picks and then used both draft picks. I
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: mean that gave you the feel of okay, largely running
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: it back whatever, But then all this stuff broke. So
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: it's like, I have no idea.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Here's here's what I noticed.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Here's there's going to be a lot of thought onto
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: why the Nuggets two man game wasn't as effective as
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: it's been in recent years. And I have my own,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: my own thought, and here's what it is. The last
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: two years, the NBA has moved to a full court
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: defensive league. I don't know if you guys have noticed this,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: but more teams are picking up full court now, and
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: they're doing it from the onset, and a lot of
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: teams are doing it in the regular season. And when
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: it takes you ten to fifteen seconds to even get
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: into your offense, because it takes time to move the
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: ball into position, now your offense is sport.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: You're done right now. You don't have time to execute
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the way you're laid in there. You're laid into your
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: exact progression.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: And that I believe is a big reason why it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: been difficult to time for the Nuggets to do what
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: they do best because they are being harassed full court
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: and by the time they get it across half court,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: by the time they get into their mechanism state, it's
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: hard to pull it off like it did years past,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: watching a guy just bring it up, give through it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, wait for the guard bringing them get into
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: your offense. Not anymore anymore. Now you got Jade mcganniel
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: was picking you up as soon as you touch the ball.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Stefans picking you up as soon as you touch the ball.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Can you not have another guy go back?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Is everybody gonna play full court? Like if he's straps
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: all over him?
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, even then, even then you have
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: another guy, it still takes time to get into your offense.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I wondered during the playoffs is
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: why didn't they have Jokic take the ball up the court,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: because what is Rudy Gobert gonna guard him full court
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the entire time?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Here's here's one of those things. Here's one reason.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: How many times do we say, why isn't Joker on
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the block, Why isn't Joker on the block? Well, how
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: can he be on the block if he's bringing the
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: ball up.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, but that's just to get the ball past past
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: the timeline.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, once you do that, you want joker to mean, well,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: how many different things is the joke are going to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: do at that point? How many things has he done
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: in the past?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he's brought the ball up the four
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: plenty of times in his life.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I agree with all of you who think, all right,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: so the two man game is not effective? Is it
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: as it once was? It's just not we saw it
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: because teams. The reason I believe.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: It's not effective as it once was is because teams
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: are going full court on you, full court down.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is your countermove?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Well, we can get back to this a little bit later.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Three oh three, five oh four nine two five.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Also, you know we haven't. You guys haven't really said
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: anything about a sneaky five year deal for Kulak.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: You haven't said Jack Squat.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I said earlier that I love the deal. Oh okay,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: remember you're talking about that in Brent Burns.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And I mean I remember, But it's sneaky, okay, a
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: bunch of hotwash.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: We'll get to it in just a just the second.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Oh by the way next. Oh, by the way, stories
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: around sports in the world, we feel like you should
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: be aware of. Here's the deal, got this game coming
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: up on Wednesday, US and Bosnia. I heard Tim Howard
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: talking about Bosnia shouldn't even get off the plane or
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: something like that, or get off the bus that they're
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: gonna get worked.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Is Tim Howard thinking the US is good or does
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: he think they aren't because he also said like a
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: week ago that they have it is impossible, he said,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: for them to win the World Cup.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: So which one are we at here?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it is impossible for them to win the
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: World Cup, but they can be. It's Bosnia hurts Agovina.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna leave off that back While you're leaving
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the back end off then too much?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about Bosnia hurts Agovina? They beat
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Italy to qualify for the World Cup.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Did you guys see the LA reporter. Uh, she was
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: doing a live hit from the World Cup and she
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: got in a lot of trouble because she was talking
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: about Bosnia. She was not't even know where that is.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter, We're gonna win. I mean, did that
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: whole shtick.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is it?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Is it really offensive that somebody's like, I don't know
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: where Bosnia is when you're talking about rooting for your
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: own country, people want.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: To get offended for Just if you're not offended, you're
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: not in the offensive tree.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I don't, dude.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: When the former Yugoslavia broke up, right, that's where that's
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: where you got Serbia and Slovenia and Croatia, Bosnia, Herzegovina.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I think North Macedonia was all part of that because
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it was all one giant country essentially, and then it all,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: it all blew up, it fractured.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Uh, did you guys gerbal civil War?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Did you guys see over the weekend that Hunter Goodban
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: humbered and four or five at bats?
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Dude put him in the derby right now? Three in
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: one game? Did you see that homer he hit to win?
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: What game was that? Was it Friday night? He put
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it in the upper deck. Yeah, it was downright violent,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that swing. So he's also on the train at the airport. Now,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sonter Goodman. You know Rockies Catcher All Star
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I wanted to say this for a larger discussion, I
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: don't know if enough people will care about it though,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: So just for a couple of minutes. Hunter Goodman has
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: twenty five home runs. It is second in the MLB,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: tied for second.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Schwarber's got what thirty thirty, but there's.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Like three other people him being included in that that's
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: tied for second with twenty five.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Dude's bona fide all star.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: To get that sort of production of power out of
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: a catcher position is rare. I mean, cal Rawly did
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: it last year, but that's what made it so amazing.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Here's the problem. Do you consider Hunter Goodman an untradable
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: asset that needs to be used for the future of
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: the Rockies' potential hopeful success or is he somebody that
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: you flip?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Because here's what they don't.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Get about how people talk about the Rockies. Whenever a
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: good young player emerges, the first reaction from some Rockies
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: fans is good, trade them, trade bait. Now go, well,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: you you need players too. You can't just keep acquiring prospects,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: and what a prospect does good?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: You trade the prospect? Why prospect? Why are we around
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: these parts?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: We used to be in the Uh, the idea of
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: trying to make them Rockies for life for as long
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: as you can. The Larry Walker's and the Todd Heltons,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and you know, the trades that make sense to me.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, eventually they go, of course, in one way
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: or another, but you gotta have guys.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Here's here's the trades that make sense. Senza makes total sense.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: He is a stud reliever now relievers are useful on
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: winning baseball teams in the postseason.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And he's older. I get that one.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Mickey Moniac, who I think is very good, has this
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: resurgence to his career, but you got sort of a
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: loaded outfield deck.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Now with some prospects.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Zach Fiene's crushing it, Charlie Connon's crushing it in a
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: triple A. That makes sense to move somebody like him
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: to open up space for your Cole Carrigs and everybody else, right,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But trading.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Like Carrig makes no sense. Yeah, he's too young. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: agree with you on that one. I don't know where
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you draw the line on that. I don't know if
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you'd like is Hunter Goodman in that category or which
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: one I would not want to trade Hunter Goodman. Hunter
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Goodman's the one guy you can rely on. Make no mistake.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know this is basically a pipeline to
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: the Yankees with the Rockies. Anyway, the Yankees need a
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: catcher and they would give up a ton to get
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Hunter Goodman.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Now would you have one twos are involved, We will
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: have a conversation, sure, but.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: It is a matter of I know, when you're bad,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: you trade away assets to acquire things for the future.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: But there's got to be a future in mind. You
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: gotta think two three years down the road. I want
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: to be competitive again, and you can't do that if
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: you flip every good player that you have. So anyway,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: just wondered where you guys fell on that one.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Now that you got something for us.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Oh by the way, all three of you are either
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: have or are currently raising some children, so I need
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: to get your expert opinions on this.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Congrats you guys are having a bait.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Vick is gonna take is what nine months
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: of back timed paternity leave that you never got? But
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: we There was this video that went viral over the
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: weekend and for some reason, I don't know why it
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: blew up this weekend because it's a few months old.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: But back in April, the Mets were in the midst
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: of a twelve game losing streak. So there there's this
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: video of this five year old Mets fan and his
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: family is Mets fans.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: He was born into it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: He did not have a choice, and his ten year
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: old brother told him, doesn't matter how bad they are,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: were Mets fans for life. And this little boy didn't
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: take that news. So well, why can he be a
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Mets fan?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: We're Mets fans in this house.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Be the worst game? So which team do you want
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: to root for?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: So?
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Is five years old too young to flip your allegiance
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: or have you already made your bed?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Kids?
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: You gotta get ready to learn losing with the Mets.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Buddy.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Look, I think now I've had my run of this. Okay,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: I was that little kid. I think it's good for
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: character building to force your kid to root for a
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: terrible team. Stick things out. You can't quit it, the
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: first sign of adversity. You gotta toil away in those awful,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: awful years. Builds character.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: It's the fine line between sports, child abuse and building character,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: isn't it? Because I would say I would say that
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that T Willie making you a Lions fan and Nolan
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Slions fan.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I'd say that's kind of cruel.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: I think you were abused as a child with you, man,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: think about what your parents did to you, what your
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: father did to you.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: He a lot. He forced you to inherit.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: A weekly torture chamber where you knew you were gonna
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: get nothing but failure for year after year after year.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe one year it'll be fun, But for most of
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: your chill, childlike years, every Sunday ended in pain. That,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, is the definition of child abused.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Do you want to know how bad your sports phantom
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: has to be? Because if you're a fan of a
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: good team, you've never done this before. You guys don't
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: even know. I guarantee you won't even know his name
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: when I say it. You ever convinced yourself that Drew
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Stanton was gonna be a good quarterback before in your life?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: You ever tried to do that?
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: You ever tried to do that to yourself?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Because I did? Why? Because what Joey Harrington wasn't working?
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Bro?
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but have a little sense of reality in your
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: life too, man, I just didn't want to be the worst. Well,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: you were the worst, and they stanton was no, no, no.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: The answer is no, brutt because I tend to look
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: at things realistically.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Speaking of quarterbacks, I know you probably discussed this when
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: we were out Vic last week. I would say, I'm surprised.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: This is the first one that surprised me. The NFL,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: the n c double A not a surprise at all.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: The fact that the CFL is like no thanks to
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Soresby is surprising to me because I thought he'd be
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: a big ticket name that they would just be like, hey,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: whatever didn't happen in our league?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Why did they? Why do they say that?
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: You think they don't want a guy who just but.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: But Vic?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Hang on, you guys, this is hilarious on my own team?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Would he eligible? All right? Yeah? You good? Everybody good? Okay? Vic?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Would he's eligible next year to enter the NFL draft?
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: He will? And will he be taken? Yes, he'll be taken.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: So so what what what will have changed between now?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: And That's what I wonder.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: It's like you either you think this is such a
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: character flaw that you cannot allow this on your team ever,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: or you just sign him right now because you don't
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: really care.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: That's what doesn't make sense to me. The NFL is
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: just they're punishing the kid. They're punished.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: They're helping out the n C double A and the CFL.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing, Like I guess they're You.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Know, if all of these football leagues came out and
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: said he will never play for US ever, I'd be like, Okay,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: well that makes sense. You have a principled stance of
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: this guy did the unforgivable thing.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: But when you say talk to me again in a year,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: it's like, so you don't really care all that much
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: You make a good point, You make a good point.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: The CFL didn't have a problem inviting a dude who
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: dressed up as a Toy story character and invaded a
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: person's house.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: See now you're making it personal. That's what you're doing
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: right now, You're making it. You're making it freaking personal.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: And I don't want I don't want to hear.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: That would sweat?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Would you rather have a man who gambled on his
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: own team date your daughter or a guy was beaten
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: with a vacuum tube going into a house he shouldn't
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: have been in. Well, which one would you say? Is
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: worthy of being your son in law.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Well that's all, that's all I was saying.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Let me look at my man here, just I gotta
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: look at I gotta look at my man. But bah,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: he's seventy eight to one oh eight for eleven ninety
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: yards and nine touches so far. Okay, playing good man.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Here's one you guys answered this question for me. Who
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: plays a snap in the NFL? First, Brendan Soresby or
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuk.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Dude, A Yuk is just falling out. Dude.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: He only wants to go to Washington to be with
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels now, and he's blaming his ex agent for
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: all the problems.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Caused with the forty nine ers.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what about I wouldn't trust that guy with
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: a ten meters cattle product.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: You've seen some of his social media videos that he's yeah,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: but he's gonna eat.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: You're getting terrible advice.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I use somebody take his phone right now. Here's the
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: best thing you can do. Shut up.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Nothing when you speak is helping your case at all
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: at all. I mean that one video mode of him
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: saying how stupid were the Niners to give me money?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Like that's what That's what he said. What an incredible
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: thing to say.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: What if I just I sign a new contract extension
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: here and let's just say this happens. And my first
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: words on the ERA are what idiots these people are?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm saying that out loud anyway. Uh oh.
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