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Tova Noel And The Transcript From Her Congressional Testimony (Part 13) (6/24/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where he left off with the tovin oh Well interview
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with Congress question and is it right behind that lieutenant
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went up and did account or around that ten South
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but not actually in the shoe? Is that correct answer?
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To be honest, I know she didn't do it in
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the shoe, but I can't recall if she did ten South. Question.
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Around five point thirty that morning, there was some kind
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of switch where mister Thomas went to relieve the ten
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South guard and that guard went to get food. Is
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that right? Answer? Correct question? Okay? Is a right that?
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There was some kind of confusion about whether or not
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control had given permission for all that to happen. Answer?
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It was the lieutenant. So ten South called and I answered,
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and he said that the lieutenant said to relieve him
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to go get food. So I didn't believe him, so
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I called the lieutenant's office and asked did she say that?
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But by the time I called the lieutenant office, lieutenant
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that was on staff didn't answer or wasn't there. So
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when I asked Lieutenant Jean, he said he doesn't know
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anything about that, because he would have been just coming
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on and Thomas said he will go. Question I understand
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if you remember, what was it that caused you not
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to believe that ten South Guard in the first place. Answer,
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because it's not you're not supposed to go outside to
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get food. Question a couple of questions on those Google
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searches that were being discussed last round. The time stamp
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on those was around five forty two am and five
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point fifty two am. You described a little bit about
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clicking a pop up. The records that were in these
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DOJ files seemed to indicate an actual Google search for
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latest on Epstein and jail, But they also had a
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Google search for latest on Omar Amanat, who is some
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kind of famous person who was at MCC at the time.
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Is it possible that you googled both of those searches
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just out of curiosity because these are high profile people. Answer?
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So for Amanat, she actually asked me, like this is
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in general population, like, oh, do you know who I am?
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And I'm like no, And he's like he's like, oh,
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like the producer, a filmmaker or whoever. So him, I
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remember that I googled him because he was telling me
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who he was. Question, got it? I actually never heard
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of him until I was getting ready for this, But
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apparently he's famous. So if you recall running the amanat
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Google Search, and then those records also show the furniture
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searches that you were talking about, answer, uh huh question,
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and then sandwiched in between there is Google Search latest
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on Epstein in jail. Is it possible that you also
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ran that Google search? Answer? Possibly, But to the best
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of my recollection, I don't ever remember. I know what
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amonaut because we had a conversation, like he actually was like,
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do you know who I am? But as far as Epstein,
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I don't remember actually physically because every time the news
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page loads, he's on there, so you click it and
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you read question. But is it right that after the
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July twenty third incident, maybe like you and others kind
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of new at that point who Jeffrey Epstein was and
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that he was high profile in some way? Is that right? Answer?
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Correct question? So by the night of the ninth you
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were aware that Epstein was a famous person. Answer? Correct question? Okay,
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As far as the timeline before we come into discovery
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of mister Epstein's body, which you've done previously. But I'll
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just ask a few more. But before we get to
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that part, Is there anything else that happens stands out
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in your mind that night that we have not already
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talked about. Answer no question, You describe discovering along with
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mister Thomas, mister Epstein in his cell. Is it around
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six thirty am more or less for delivering breakfast? Is
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that right? Answer? Correct question? And Thomas is the one
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up at the cell door and you're back at the grill?
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Answer correct question. Thomas gets no response from Epstein, so
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he goes into the cell and that's how it starts.
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Is that right answer? Correct? Did Thomas call for a cutter?
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Answer yes question? Did you then run back to get
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a cutter? Answer? Yes question? And is that when you
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also press the medical button? Answer? Yeah, I hit the
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body alarm first and then went to go find the cutter. Question.
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Did you hear Thomas cutting the fabric at all? You
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never saw that happen? Right answer, no question. Did you
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hear a ripping? Answer? I heard a ripping? Question you did?
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Is that after? Did you return with the cutter handed
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to Thomas and then there was a rip or did
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he cut it with something that he already had. Answer No,
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I returned to ask him or was the cutter? Because
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I can't find it, and that's when I heard the rip.
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Question got it? So he had already some kind do
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you know what he had? Answer? I don't know if
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he had anything because I can't see. Question did you
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see Thomas lower Epstein to the floor and start CPR?
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Answer so I can't see all the way in like
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it is. I can't see the lowering, but I imagined
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he lowered him because you see his legs coming like
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this way. So I could only see like his legs.
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Question were you able to see whether Epstein looked blue
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or had any signs of a fight or any other
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scratches or things like that? Answer not from the door.
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When he was coming out on the stretcher, then I
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could see him fully. Question do you have a recollection
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of when you saw him come out on the stretcher?
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Did he look discolored? Answer his face? Question what color? Approximately?
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Answer blue? Question blue? Did you see anything reflecting wounds
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or scratches? I guess other than on his neck? Answer no,
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I didn't even see his neck. He just looked blue.
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Question as far as you remember did Thomas ever say
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We're going to be in so much trouble? Answer? Yes.
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Question what's your opinion of why he said that? I
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mean it sort of speaks for itself. But what was
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your what was going through your mind at that moment? Answer?
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At that moment when he said that, I didn't understand
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what he was referring to, because in my mind, I
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was like, how are we going to be in so
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much trouble if we didn't do anything to him? Question
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do you remember responding to Thomas? Answer? I didn't respond
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to him. Question were you aware in this moment that
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Epstein had been found hanging? Or were you not sure
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what was going on? Answer? Yeah, no, I don't know
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he found them. Question did you ever actually go into
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Epstein's cell? Answer? No, question, and you may have said this,
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I'm sorry if you did. Approximately how quickly did medical
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and support staff arrive after Thomas first discovered Epstein? Answer? Oh,
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they arrived like five minutes. Question the morning Watch operations
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lieutenant told the IG that when he arrived, you told
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him quote Epstein hung himself. Do you recall that happening? Answer? No?
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Question What were you doing once all the medical personnel
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arrived to start working on Epstein. Answer standing at the
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bottom of the tier. Question do you recall inmates saying
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anything to you as this was all unfolding? Answer there
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wasn't saying anything to me. They were just chanting because
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it was like everybody in the cell blox. Oh, it
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was echoes. They were chanting but not speaking to me.
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Question do you remember what they were chanting? Answer? Oh,
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y'all in so much trouble. Question did an inmate or
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the inmates or any individual inmates say that you killed them? Answer? No, never.
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Question at least one inmate said they heard an MCC
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staff member say that if Epstein was dead, it would
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be covered up. Did you say or hear anything like that?
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Answer they did not say, and I never heard anything
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like that. Question And you left the MCC once Epstein
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had been removed and that was your last shift? Answer correct.
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Question a couple of miscellaneous MCC related questions where guards
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were required to search inmates cells in the shoe. Answer yes,
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question how often would that typically happen? Answer as far
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as how often it happened, I just don't remember. Question
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was it pretty you know every shift that you were
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on did you see that happen at least once, or
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was it once made? Maybe once every couple days somebody
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would do a cell search. Answer it didn't happen on
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my shift. Question that day or at all when you
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worked in the shoe question at all I can remember
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on the four to twelve, I don't remember any cell searches.
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Question do you recall ever conducting a search on mister
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Epstein's cell? Answer never. Question. Do you recall any of
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your colleagues ever conducting a search on mister Epstein's cell?
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Answer no question. Do you recall either knowing or hearing
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colleagues discussing Epstein having extra linens in his cell? Answer
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no question. Wouldn't it have been typical for inmates to
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provide or be provided with extra linens? Is that something
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they could ask for? Answer in the shoe, no question.
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Do you recall anybody ever or I guess I should
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say this. Do you recall ever noticing as you look
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through the windows into Epstein's cell noticing more than usual
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amounts of sheets or clothes? Answer no question. I think
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you had given a quote at some point about the
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machine that other inmates would not have been given something
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like that, but Epstein was getting special treatment quote because
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of Epstein. Is that still your point of view on
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his treatment as you sit here today? Answer, I mean,
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I've never seen any other inmate with the ceapat machine.
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Question do you have any theory or did you have
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a belief at the time as to why Epstein was
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getting what seemed like special treatment? Answer no question. There
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was some discussion about a note that was found in
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Epstein's cell after he died, and it read redacted name
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left me in a lock shower for one hour, Noel
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sent me burnt food, giant bugs crawling over my hands,
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no fun Do you have any before you read about
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it in the newspapers, but back at the time, Do
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you have any knowledge of that note existing? Answer no,
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I actually saw that on sixty minutes. I never even
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saw that in the paper. Question do you recall Epstein
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ever complaining to you about the food that you brought him?
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Answer no question. Did Epstein ever complain to you about
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being left alone and locked in a shower for an hour?
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Answer no question. Did you ever hear Epstein complaining about
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bugs in the shoe? Answer no question. You were asked,
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I think earlier about the possibility of Epstein having a
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pen in a cell to write a note like that.
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Would inmates in the shoe be allowed to have pens
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in their cells? Answer so out of the allowed part,
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I'm not sure if they're allowed to be honest, I
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don't know. Question would have been surprising or unusual if
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you look through somebody cell door and saw them using
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a pen in the cell? Answer probably not question. It
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would not have seemed unusual or strange. Answer no question.
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There's a suggestion that on August ninth and tenth, Epstein
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was not in the cell which he was technically assigned.
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He was assigned in the shoe, but some other cell
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and some other tear. Do you recall ever even knowing
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that or hearing that? Answer? I never heard that question
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to inmates. Or did inmates in the shoe have ID
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cards on the door of their cell? Answer no question.
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How would you all, as guards tipic have the knowledge
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of who's supposed to be in which cell when you're
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doing your rounds. Answer a roster question and the roster
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has cell assignments. Answer correct question, But you have no
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recollection of ever looking at the roster and saying, oh, Epstein,
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I think is actually supposed to be in that one.
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Answer no question. With respect to the cameras in the shoe,
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it's been discussed only one of them was recording in
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a way that it should have been, but the other's were.
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It sounds like live streaming footage. Would you let's start with,
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would you personally have been watching the live streams of
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the other cameras in the shoe? Answer no question. Do
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you know who ordinarily would have been watching those live streams?
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Answer no question. Would you have any way of knowing
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whether anybody was monitoring those live streams throughout the night?
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Answer I don't know. Question. After Epstein's death, a Bureau
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of Prisons after action team was set up to look
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into the death. Have you ever heard of an after
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action team, either in this case or generally? Answer no,
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never heard of it. Question, so that team never contacted you?
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Answer no question. It sounds like at least one inmate
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reported that he thought was an unusual amount of document
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shedding or shredding going on by that after action team.
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Do you have any knowledge of Bureau staff shredding documents
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in the weeks following Epstein's death? Answer I don't know,
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question meaning you've never heard of that, or you don't
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remember whether or not. Answer no, So I don't know
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if that took place because my last day was the tenth,
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so I don't know. Question did anybody ever mention anything
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like that to you? Answer? No, question would that have
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been to your knowledge? Would that have been a typical
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practice in MCC shredding the documents? Is that something that
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you would see every week? Answer? I never saw it
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at all. Question There was an email in the DOJ
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file release. It was addressed to Jeffrey Epstein's brother, and
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it was from somebody with an address of es k
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A d R d one at gmail dot com. And
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this person claim that you and Michael Thomas were paid
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sixty five hundred so you would not visit prisoners, and
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therefore a man named Michael Rose entered Jeffrey Epstein's prison
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cell and strangled him. Have you ever met or heard
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of anybody named Michael Rose? Answer no. Question, as far
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as you know, is the allegation I just mentioned? True
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or untrue? Answer? As far as I know, untrue? Question?
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And have you ever heard of the sender with an
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email address escadrad one at gmail dot com. Answer never
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heard of it. Question all right, so nobody to your
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knowledge paid you or mister Thomas to your knowledge money
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not to do your rounds. Answer for me, nobody paid
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me anything in reference mister Epstein or anything surrounding him
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at all. Question just a few miscellaneous ones left. You
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mentioned injury leave early in twenty nineteen. What was the
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approximate date range for that? Answer in March twenty nineteen
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and I came back in June of twenty nineteen. Question.
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I think that was reflected in the DJ release. That's
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somewhere during that interval you traveled to China. Is that correct? Answer?
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I did go to China, but I don't remember when
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I went to China. I think it was April. Question
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and I think that's what the record suggested as well.
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I would assume, but I'm just asking that was a
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personal trip, personal tourism. Answer. I actually was going to Thailand.
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I just had to connect in China. Question got it.
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Did that trip or any conversation that you had on
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that trip relate in any way to your official duties
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at MCC Answer no. Question Did that trip or any
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conversations you had on that trip relate in any way
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to Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn Maxwell? Answer no, question. I
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think we have a member who would also like a
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few questions. I'm going to turn it over, miss Stansbury.
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Thank you so much for being here today. I know
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it's been a long day and I want to just
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follow up on a few of the questions that folks
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were asked about, just for a little more detail for
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the record. So I know you've already answered a lot
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of questions about the night of, and you've answered the
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questions about things that were out of protocol special treatment.
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You mentioned the CPAP, and one of the questions that's
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been raised in commentary about the case is whether or
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not somebody who wished harm on Jeffrey Epstein. Is there
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anything that you witnessed inside of the jail that would
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indicate that somebody wished the harm? Answer? No question. Anything
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from jail management, anything from the people who worked there, Noel,
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no question, anyone any of the other cell mates or
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people who were in the area he was being kept.
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Answer no Stansbury. Okay. And you mentioned that your last
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day was on the tenth, and that was the day
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of the incident. I'm sorry I had to step out
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for part of the questions, but my understanding is that
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you were relayed that your firing was directly related to
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the night check and how it was completed. Is that right, Noel?
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To everything that took place? Question, do you feel that
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your firing was standard for something like that occurring, or
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do you feel like you're being retaliated against or was
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there anything unusual about your firing? Noel? Well, I don't
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know if i'd use those terms. I feel like Foy
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jumps in before you do. Let me talk to you
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about that, so they come back on the record, Noel. So,
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because it was Jeffrey Epstein, that's the sole reason why
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I got fired. Because all these other names and people
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that have been investigated have done the exact same thing
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and they still work for the Bureau and they are
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promoted in the Bureau. But because I happened to work
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that day and it was mister Epstein, that's why I
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got fired. So the term I would use is unfair,
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Miss Stansbury. And just to kind of follow up a
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little bit on that, do you feel like you were
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being targeted because of that or that they were trying
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to silence you or do you feel like you were
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singled out because you knew something? I hear you say
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it was unfair. But tell us your perception of why
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the fired you and not others, Noel, because I was
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the one Me and Thomas was the specific ones working
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the shift. But typically for not conducting rounds and counts,
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everybody else gets suspended and that is the punishment for that, Stansbury.
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And did the person or persons who told you that
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you were fired or that this was happening providing any
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explanation to you at the time of why are being fired?
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And if so, what did they say? Noel? They did.
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It was in a report, but I can't remember verbatim,
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like what exactly was said, but like failure to follow
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policy and rules of the Federal Bureau or prisons that
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lieutenants and everybody else they don't follow. Stansbury. Do you
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feel like the unfairness was unusual in the sense of
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like they fired you right away that day you were
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singled out, Foy, That's not what happened. She wasn't fired
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right away that day, Stansbury. Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood, Noel.
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I was placed on administrative leave right away after that
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for a while, and after November nineteenth, twenty nineteen, once
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I got indicted, then I was no longer on administrative leave,
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but then it was following two years, after more than
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two years, that I actually got terminated. Stansbury. I see, Okay,
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I'm sorry. If I had that sequencing incorrect, that's my bad.
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But going back to the question of now knowing that's
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your timeline, you said just now it was unfair, But
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do you also think it was unusual, like something about
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your termination was different than how it was normally handled
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inside the jail, someone being terminated for a report, not
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reporting and the conduct. Noel, well us because it was
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Epstein Stansbury. Okay, Noel, But if it was not Epstein
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and it was another inmate, we would have still been
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working for the Bureau of Prisons. Stansbury. Do you have
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a feeling or thought about why, aside from the fact
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that it was just a famous person. Noel, Yeah, no, Stansbury. No, okay.
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I know that you talked a little bit about the
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financial transfers that people have raised, the deposits that happened,
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and I understand that you answered some questions earlier and
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just to go back over them as I understand that
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you stated earlier that they were deposits that you made yourself. Noel, correct, question.
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Can you tell us a little bit about those What
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was the source of the money for those deposits? Foy?
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Wait wait wait, okay, they go off record, they come
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back on, Noel, The source of the money was that
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I mentioned earlier. Has nothing to do with Epstein, anyone
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related to Abstein, involved with Ebstein. No one has ever approached, offered,
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or asked anything that's concerning my money has nothing to
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go with Epstein at all. It's solely me and my
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personal savings. Stansbury got it. And I understand that you're
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not disclosing the source here, but I would like to
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offer you, if you would like, if you would like
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to put anything on the record, the official record that
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helps explain where the funding came from, to help clarify
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that for the public. We want to make sure you
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have that opportunity. And if you don't choose, that's okay too.
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We're just letting you know that that's an option. Foy.
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It's clear enough, so you're good. Stansbury, Okay. That trip
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that you took afterwards was personal nature. You went to Thailand.
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Was that a trip you financed yourself? Noel, correct, Stansbury,
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and it was just a vacation. Noel correct stands Berry
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and I think that my final question is, other than
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the things you've already shared in the room and have
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been specifically asked about, is there anything weird about the
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night that stands out in your brain that you have
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otherwise shared that you feel is important to be on
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the record, Noel no stands bery. Okay, all right, thank you,
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thank you for being here, Noel, you're welcome. Redacted. Is
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there anything else you'd like to share with the committee
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about the circumstances of mister Epstein's death, Noel, no question.
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And I think you said earlier it's your personal belief
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that mister Epstein took his own life. Is that right?
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Noel correct redacted. With that, thank you for your time today.
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We can go off the record, all right, folks. That's
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going to do it for the Tova Noel interview with Congress.
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