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Family courts and the dangerous low standards of proof · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  We will draw this city closer together, coast to coast and around the world from the America Out Loud Talk Radio Studios.
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  We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.
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  It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.
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  There are so many problems in this nation and this world.
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  Do we need another one to worry about?
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  Well, I think we should at least dig into it and find out what medical kidnapping is all about.
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  It's gone on for years, and you may not know anything about it.
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  And that's what we're going to do tonight is help you understand this problem that's happening right here in America.
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  It's called medical kidnapping.
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  And Google searches for those two words.
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  They have spiked 300% since 2023.
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  So a lot of people are finding out about it, and a lot of people are learning about it.
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  That's what we're going to do here in this hour.
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  I'm Booker Scott, and this is The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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  Thank you so much for joining us live tonight, or if you found us later on the podcast, thank you for doing that.
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  Joining the program tonight will be Dr.
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  Irene Mavercock, as she has been on this program a couple of times.
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  She's a friend of mine, a colleague in freedom and liberty for this nation.
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  She is also vaccine injured.
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  That happened to her in 2012.
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  Since then, a big part of her medical practice has been helping those who are vaccine injured.
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  She's been a busy person since 2020, and the vaccine started for COVID.
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  Dr.
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  Irene Maverickakas, thank you for joining us here on this program.
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  Well, thank you, Booker.
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  And it's just been wonderful getting to know you and becoming friends and colleagues in Liber.
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  I really appreciate doing these spaces with you.
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  And I look forward to a great discussion on medical freedom, informed consent, definitions of medical neglect and what mandatory reporters are.
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  And super excited as you introduce Spike Cohen, who's another friend and colleague in Liberty.
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  Yeah.
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  Liberty and freedom.
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  It seems like when it comes to medical advice, we all should have that.
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  We go into a doctor's office, and there's the white coat.
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  And I have friends and family members, their blood pressure goes up when they see the white coat.
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  We should have that respect for that doctor, but not over asking questions and having them legitimately answer them for us.
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  And sometimes I don't know that they are capable of actually answering the questions that we ask.
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  And that's what comes into informed consent.
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  And we're going to get into that here on this program.
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  I want to introduce the next guest.
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  His name is Spike Cohen.
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  Spike is the founder of You Are the Power.
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  It's a nonprofit, but before that, in 2020, he was the vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party.
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  He was on that ticket in 2020.
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  Spike, it's great to have you.
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  Welcome to the program.
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  Thank you, Booker.
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  It's great to be on.
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  And yeah, at You Are the Power.
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  We protect people against abuse of local governments.
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  And we fight to ensure not only that the abuse stops happening to those families and those individuals, but also that uh we ensure changes that ensure that that abuse never happens again.
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  And that can look like um keeping people from losing their homes to eminent domain, um, fighting to get bogus charges dropped against people, getting corrupt officials to either uh change their ways or resign in disgrace.
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  Uh and uh relevant to what we're talking about today, uh it increasingly it also looks like us reuniting families who where parents were wrongfully accused of abuse, their children were essentially stolen from them in order to be trafficked.
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  And the reason that I use the term trafficked is because their funding, both federally and state, is tied to how many people they accuse of abuse, how many children they take, how long those children are put in foster care, and a bunch of other perverse incentive structures that encourage them to take children at scale, knowing very often that there's no good reason for them to be doing it.
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  Uh, we've successfully reunited multiple families.
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  Uh, we've gotten legislation passed in Georgia, a bill called Ridges Law, and uh, which uh which helps to make it a lot harder for them to do that.
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  And um, we are working on getting similar legislation passed in uh in uh multiple states across the country, and we are in the meantime, we are continuing to find families that have had this happen to them and to reunite them as we've already done for so many others.
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  Well, thank you for that great work.
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  And let's talk about something specifically as we start off here.
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  Let's talk about medical kidnapping.
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  Someone may hear that and wonder what in the world is that about.
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  Please explain that to the audience and then what happens from there, and I believe that brings in your work and what you're trying to do and reunite people.
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  But let's talk about medical kidnapping.
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  Yeah, broadly speaking, uh, when I use the term medical kidnapping, I'm referring to the use of the medical system via the state to seize children from parents who have done nothing wrong.
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  And that can broadly be put into two different categories.
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  One of them is where um a uh a hospital system or a doctor will recommend a certain treatment or course of treatment um or vaccination or or something like that, and the some kind of medical uh recommendation of some kind for a child, and the parent will say, No, I would like a second opinion.
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  And instead of not acting like a psychopath and allowing the parents to make decisions for their children, um, they accuse them of neglect and abuse, they bring the state in, they take their kids, um, and uh and and you know, say, well, we're we're saving the lives of these children by taking them from their evil parents who wanted a second opinion.
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  And very often these things are tied to drugs that have black box warnings, um, all sorts of of scary things that the parents at the very least have the right to make that that that other opinion, um, or to get another opinion.
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  The other form, uh, and I I consider this a type of medical kidnapping as well, is when a child uh has injuries that are completely explained by a chronic health condition they have.
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  So Eller's Dan Low syndrome, metabolic bone disorder, um osteogenesis imperfecta, uh uh complications from the birth uh during the the actual process of the birth um or things that they went through during gestation.
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  There's a medical explanation for the injuries that they have.
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  Those medical explanations are intentionally ignored by both the medical establishment and the uh um uh and the uh the uh child protective agencies, and they basically pretend that the children were abused and that that's what caused the injuries.
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  Um they do this despite uh actual diagnoses from uh medical experts who don't get their funding from uh taking children.
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  Um the family court judges are on all of these cases and on it uh because that's how they get their funding as well.
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  And like I said, it's it in both cases, it is a type of child trafficking.
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  It is the taking of children from innocent parents to give to another family with a financial incentive built in.
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  I was gonna ask where these children go, but I think you just answered it.
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  They go to another family.
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  How is that family chosen?
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  Are they just uh, you know, are adopting children?
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  What what does the state do with those children when they take them?
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  Well, it depends on the state.
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  Uh, usually they go into the foster care system, and very often they go for quite some time because that's how uh that's part of how they get their money.
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  Um the longer the children can be in the foster care system, the more money they get, which is why they're going for the youngest children possible.
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  So, you know, if you have a very young child who uh weeks old, sometimes days old, is already showing signs of um neonatal rickets or like I said, complications from the actual birthing process, all of which has either been documented or will soon be documented uh once the actual injuries are discovered.
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  Um that's like the prime thing for them because they could be in the foster care system for a decade or longer.
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  And um the idea eventually is once the parental rights have truly been terminated, then they can be placed for adoption.
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  But that doesn't mean that they immediately go to a family.
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  There's a lot of red tape there.
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  So what ends up happening is they're in whatever the foster care system looks like in that state.
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  Some states are worse than others.
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  Um in Georgia, they've lost 2,000 children.
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  Um just since 2020.
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  And the uh the reason is they just don't have enough foster families.
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  Um, and so uh the kids go into um all sorts of uh all sorts of situations.
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  They go into um uh if they're old enough, quote unquote old enough, if they're in their teens, they'll often just put them in hotel rooms, um, which is nuts.
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  Um they'll often have them in uh if they're adolescents, they'll often have them uh sleeping in the um the offices of the CPS workers.
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  Um the uh in um New Hampshire, they've built what is essentially a a prison, which is called the Sununu Youth Center, where children as young as six.
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  Uh again, these are children that have done nothing wrong.
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  They are they're the state actually believes that they have been abused.
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  Um not only have they done nothing wrong, they they consider them victims of abuse, they put them in prison with juvenile offenders, and I I I don't have to tell you what happens to the in a situation like that.
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  But that it's so it really depends on the state on how just how at scale they are taking uh children to the point where they really have nowhere to put them.
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  In some cases, they're literally building prisons to put them in there.
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  Coming or I'm sorry, youth centers that are part of a prison.
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  Okay, coming through uh 2020 and COVID and the 21, we had medical tyranny in a lot of ways when it came to the vaccine.
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  And that's what you're talking about here on one side of it before you get to the injuries that may have occurred that they do not think they being the medical uh professionals do not believe happened naturally because they have a disease or some other reason.
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  But let's get to the medical tyranny part of it, because you have some states I would assume that are worse than others.
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  And if you do not follow, I'm assuming the vaccine schedule as the state put out and you question it, and you mentioned that if you just say I want a second opinion, then they can put you on their that list and your child is going to be taken from you.
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  Is that what you're saying?
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  Absolutely.
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  And I Irene can definitely get uh more deeply into the vaccine end of it, but that's true as well.
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  We've had parents who uh had chosen not to have their children vaccinated for certain things, and when they're when their kids were seized, they received every vaccine.
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  Um we actually had a um this isn't specific to vaccines, but it is to uh medical second opinion.
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  So we had a um uh a mother in Texas who uh took her, I forget how old, but it was a matter of months old child to a doctor because he was uh showing signs of uh of an infection.
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  And the doctor recommended, I forget the name of it, but it was a um it was an antibiotic that when she looked it up on her phone, it said, do not give to children under 12, I think, or something like that.
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  No, he was nowhere near the age and had a black box warning.
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  And so she got a second opinion, and they said, Yeah, there you would never give a child that that drug.
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  We'll we'll put him on whatever the recommended antibiotic was.
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  And so they did that.
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  But while that was happening, the other doctor uh had the police uh or had uh CPS there in Texas seize her child.
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  Uh the child was uh uh put under the care of the hospital system of this of uh under this doctor's care.
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  He had the child given that um that drug, and the child almost died um until they finally uh started having strokes and uh and seizures and all sorts of things, and uh and they had to take the child off of that drug, and uh lo and behold, the child was okay again.
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  And um, so that was a case where the mother was uh it was a doctor that was being uh that was engaging in malpractice by recommending that drug in the first place.
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  Um, but because he's the doctor, he's tied in with that uh so-called child protective system.
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  Um he was able to have the child taken from her.
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  Um, and she we are still fighting to help her get that that kid back.
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  Yeah.
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  So it it's not about politics, is it?
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  Because you have talked about Texas, you've talked about Georgia, and a lot of people would think that maybe a blue state would be, you know, more tyrannical when it came to vaccines.
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  But let's talk about vaccines real quick.
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  Let's get Dr.
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  Irene Maverkakis in here.
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  Let's talk about vaccines on the schedule and and what you see as a doctor when this happens to these kids in medical kidnapping.
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  Well, thank you, Booker.
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  And I think it's important to discuss what is the context of this.
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  The context of this is the concept of what is medical neglect, and there's both the general definition of medical neglect, and then there's the legal definitions in each state, and then the concept of mandatory reporting, and then more importantly, you know, what is informed consent, right?
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  So government doctors and health care providers, their duty is to protect life and they work for us.
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  And in these United States, we have a right to informed consent, which is the free ability to click and without that declination being tied to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness and taking your kid away by all means is infringement upon your civil liberties.
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  So the concept of mandatory reporting, a lot of us, including me in my own state as a physician, we are mandatory reporters, and so are a lot of teachers and health care providers, and and what does that mean?
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  So it means that if we have a reasonable degree of suspicion that some sort of abuse is happening, we are required to report and it's tied to fines and licensure for us.
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  So what is the spirit and letter of that in Delaware, for example?
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  So, real quick, let me interrupt you, Irene.
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  I I'm sorry.
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  I want people to understand that you could lose your license and your livelihood if you do not report something that you see as abuse or if they are not taking a vaccine that is on the schedule.
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  You could literally lose your livelihood over this, couldn't you?
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  Well, A, I don't give vaccines because that's not part of my specialty.
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  And given a vaccine can be used, someone refusing a vaccine that is on the vaccine schedule, has been in some states in some places used as the beginning to open up a CPA CPS case uh by a physician who had the view that you know vaccines are a hundred percent safe and effective, which is not true, and that you know, if you refuse uh you should be reported to CPS.
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  So those cases have happened.
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  Um I don't have specific details about those cases.
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  So that is something that um has happened.
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  Now this mandatory reporting, every two years I have to take one hour CME.
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  Most doctors have to take one hour CME in order to renew your license, you cannot actually go to renew unless you take this mandatory course.
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  And I just want people to understand the difference between what we're talking about medical kidnapping and the spirit and letter of this mandatory reporting and neglect.
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  The reason why Delaware had a law put in about 10 years ago was because there was a physician in Delaware, Dr.
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  Bradley, who for decades was taking children who were coming to his practice to see him into his basement and sexually abusing them and videotaping.
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  And the idea that all those people in and out of that office didn't know that that was going on, he is in jail.
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  And what he would do is they would schedule, never do this, and it's a little bit of a digression, but it's really important.
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  He would schedule like a young mom who's has three young kids and the dad's working, and they give them all the same appointment and tell them they had to be in different rooms.
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  Very weird.
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  But that was the way that he got access to them.
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  That is the context of this various sorts of mandatory reporting, and you know, there are instances of kids being abused in different situations, but we have to err on the side of the concept that we have to allow patients and parents to have informed consent.
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  So when you go to the doctor with your child and they say this is a drug I recommend to your child, and these are the risks and benefits, but I would tell you that almost all the time in these United States, there's no informed consent for vaccines, and there's no informed consent for a lot of medications.
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  But if we pretend that they actually tried to give informed consent and you chose to decline, that is your right, as the protector of the bodily autonomy of your child, which is so far different from literally it's obvious that the child is getting beaten at home and has evidence of malnutrition and things like that.
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  Now, there's mistakes that happen all the time, and Spike will give you this example.
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  The kid with the multiple broken bones, if the doctor doesn't bother to run the differential diagnosis and see that the reason why the kid has broken bones is because they have a medical condition that gives them brittle bone disease.
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  And that's a big crux of the problem, is oftentimes doctors are not looking at the more unusual and less common medical conditions that lead to things that can mimic or present themselves as abuse.
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  And some of those cases include some of those shaken baby kids where the parents, when you watch the court cases, you're like, there's no way that parent, you know, shook that baby and killed that kid, you know, because you know, you're if you just deal with people, and some of those were vaccine injuries.
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  If you go back and look at some of the data, there was high levels of histamine in the brain related to allergic reactions, they were really SIDS deaths, all those kinds of things.
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  And so it's a very, very, very important line that we have to draw.
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  There's a big difference between medical neglect, and there is a mandatory reporting requirement, but informed consent, an individual bodily autonomy, and the parent is the protector of that child has to take precedence.
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  Spike, I want to come back to you real quick.
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  You were talking about missing children, 2,000 this year.
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  How many missing children do you think there are in this country as a result of medical kidnapping?
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  I mean, we already know it's in the thousands just in Georgia alone.
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  So it's it would be not remotely unreasonable to think that it could be in the tens of thousands across the country, if not the hundreds of thousands.
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  Um, and when I say missing, um, very often a lot of these kids uh that that go missing are are adolescents and teens.
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  A lot of them are probably being trafficked.
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  I mean, after all, they were living in hotel rooms and often in the same, you know, a whole block of of rooms on a hotel with a bunch of other teenagers.
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  Now, if you're looking for kids and teens to traffic, I mean, you just hit a cornucopia there, right?
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  And it's and in fact, there was actually a situation in New Hampshire um where they were catching um uh actual uh abuse happening, um, where officials were looking the other way, and and there's uh if I recall there were even allegations that um that they were actually being paid to give them access to these kids.
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  But I mean, no, it's it's it's the most horrific things that you can think about that are happening in these scenarios.
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  Um, and uh things I don't even want to repeat.
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  But uh yeah, no, I mean there's there's many of them that are missing, and and I will say.
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  Say, and this is certainly not in their defense, but putting some more context in it.
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  A lot of them just aged out.
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  Um, a lot of them are just over the age of 18 now, and there's no reason for them to report.
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  And we don't know what happened.
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  They might have just gone home to their families.
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  Once they're past a certain age, they don't have to keep track of them anymore.
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  So you picture a situation where you're wrongfully accused of abuse, your 14-year-old is taken from you.
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  You're not allowed to speak with them or have any communications with them.
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  They're living in a hotel room, and um, you know, around the age of 18, they just leave and come home or go to another family member, or God forbid, go off and do their own thing, and you don't even know where they are.
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  I mean, these are these are horrific things that are happening under the the umbrella or the veil of so-called child protection, and it's no, it is no such thing.
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  Now, some of these kids have actually legitimately been abused, and they're also going through this.
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  So it's it's just it's a terrible thing all around.
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  Um, it is it is what happens, and this is my, you know, going back to my libertarian warning about government in general.
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  Um, this is the kind of things that happen when we put government in charge of something that's very important.
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  They create weird incentive structures that often make the problem worse, or at the very least, don't improve it.
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  Um, they often create other uh uh ancillary problems related to that thing and actually worsen the issue.
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  And um, and then every year they go, well, yeah, the problem's gotten worse.
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  So we need more money.
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  Yeah, and so it becomes costly.
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  Uh and and by doing in doing so, they they rob us of the ability to really seek better alternatives.
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  There's a way to protect children, and and this is not it.
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  But if they're the monopoly in place to do it, you kind of got to go with whatever their idea is and and hope to reform it along the way.
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  Let me ask both of you guys, and I'll come to you, Spike.
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  You're on a roll right now.
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  What is the answer to all of this?
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  What do you think that is?
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  Well, I I'm increasingly skeptical that government has a role in this other than the criminal justice process.
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  If you believe that a parent has abused a child, then that is a criminal issue.
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  That is literally that is about as criminal as it gets to hurt a kid, right?
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  Well, if it's a criminal issue, then that needs it means it needs to be held by the same standard as any other criminal accusation.
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  There needs to be a burden of proof.
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  There needs to be discovery.
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  There needs to be an actual investigation with law enport enforcement professionals.
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  Um and if they then have a a case, well, then yes, take the children, uh, prosecute the parents to the fullest extent of the law.
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  Absolutely, all of that.
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  Um, but by having it done through so-called child protective systems and family courts, it removes all of that burden of proof and professionalism, and instead you have basically bureaucrats making on the spot decisions that are heavily influenced by the fact that their funding is directly affected by whether or not they say that the kid was uh abused or not.
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  Um you have family court systems where in almost almost all the states, their burden of proof is whatever the judge thinks, it's arbitrarily decided.
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  Um, I mean, there are so many situations where parents come in, they are armed to the teeth with with medical opinions and diagnoses and everything else.
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  And the judge says, Yeah, I don't want to look at any of that.
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  And they bring up the ER doctor that accused them of abuse, and they go, Yeah, well, I'll give you one example.
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  So in uh the Hernandez family in Georgia, um, their entire state's evidence, quote unquote, of it was no such thing, it was just the the CPS case, was the ER doctor who uh who looked at the kid and said, Yeah, statistically, when you look at these types of injuries, they tend to be caused by abuse.
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  And uh when the attorney was asked to cite the source of that statistic, he said, Yeah, you can look it up on the internet.
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  Um, that uh doctor had never reviewed uh the actual medical records of the of uh Emma Hernandez, the child that he said was being abused, uh, because he wasn't required to.
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  And um, he didn't seem to be familiar with the disorders that they were saying that she likely had, either neonatal rickets or osteogenesis imperfecta.
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  Um, so to go back to your question, I I think the answer is to treat this as a criminal thing and to uh and to uh eliminate this other structure which says, well, uh, we think you've committed a crime, so instead of you know running you through the the your constitutionally protected process of being able to be assumed innocent until proven guilty, we're gonna put you through this other system where you are uh are are are presumed guilty and in many cases not even allowed to prove try to prove that you're innocent because well, they're not your kids anymore, so we're not even going to give you access to their medical records to try to prove that you uh you didn't do anything wrong.
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  So I I would say I I increasingly lean towards that.
• 26:55
  I think at the very least, if you're gonna have this child protective structure, great, it has needs to have the same burden of proof, it needs to have the same um standards of due process, and uh and um if there is a situation, uh, because they'll claim, well, there might there are exigent situations where we have to come in and take the child and not wait days and weeks to build a case, and to which I'd say, okay, well, then you know, if you have to do that, then within I don't know, 48 hours, 72 hours, you need to have some compelling proof to show to a criminal court judge to say we're gonna uh keep these children, and if you don't have that, then the kids need to go back home.
• 27:33
  And I would say that that that that would be the answer.
• 27:36
  That's a great, great point.
• 27:37
  And it almost seems criminal to me that the government is doing this in some ways.
• 27:43
  I think there would have to be a 72-hour or a week or whatever that is to make sure that there is a case.
• 27:49
  But I think you also have to go in and get those children if it has been reported that they are being abused, because uh you can't take a chance on that.
• 27:57
  I don't believe that the government could take a chance on that.
• 28:00
  I think they have to step in, but your 72 hours or a week, whatever it may be, I think is a great point.
• 28:05
  Uh, you know, make your determination and let the kids go back to their family if you have determined that they are safe.
• 28:12
  And uh and who knows whether that's enough time.
• 28:14
  But let's go to Dr.
• 28:15
  Irene Maverakakis.
• 28:16
  What do you have to add to that?
• 28:18
  Well, I think that that is exactly what the plan needs to be, what Spike relayed, but I'm gonna be even more radical than that.
• 28:26
  I don't think that they should be able to take the kids unless they have proceeded with criminal legal proceedings.
• 28:34
  If you know, if we can get Don Lemon indicted by a grand jury in a couple of days, we can have a family court system tied to the criminal uh justice system, and we can get an emergency hearing and we can get the proper legal criminal uh requirements to take children away because I have to tell you, we're not talking about all of this, but the level of stress and trauma that these kids are having that get taken away from their parents at any juncture is lifelong problems.
• 29:06
  And so just like anything else, you know, if someone is abusing their girlfriend or you know, uh trying to kill them, you know, you don't you don't go to family court, you you go to the criminal justice system.
• 29:21
  So I think that that's where it has to go.
• 29:24
  There's gonna be pushback on this, but what's going on and what happens to children that are put in this farce to care system is such horrible events with these children, lifelong consequences.
• 29:35
  Let me push back a little bit on you on that.
• 29:38
  I think this is probably what you're talking about.
• 29:40
  You come to me and you put me um uh to uh the judge, and it takes weeks to get to the point to get an answer because there's such a backlog everywhere.
• 29:49
  And because of that, a child loses their life because they were in a dangerous situation.
• 29:55
  How would you respond to that scenario?
• 29:57
  Because that is one that could happen.
• 29:59
  Well, because.
• 30:00
  In my world, we have emergency court set up and ready to go when you flip the switch to this being criminal procedure proceedings, right?
• 30:10
  Because if we're saying you know, the social workers and we want to protect the children and all of these things.
• 30:16
  If you're saying if the state wastes its money on so many other things, if you're saying that's also important to you, then make sure you have the systems in place for judge and others to be available for emergency situations where you think this kid is an eminent danger.
• 30:31
  Because as soon as you have gray areas, once you take those kids, it changes everything.
• 30:37
  What about activist judges like the one that uh tried to get an illegal immigrant out of her courthouse when ICE was there?
• 30:44
  If those activist judges get involved, they're on the side of uh uh tyrannical medical government.
• 30:50
  What happens then?
• 30:52
  Have you given that any thought?
• 30:53
  Yeah, that's also concerning to me.
• 30:56
  And I think that now I'm just so uh upset uh about where this country has come that our judicial system from uh local all the way through federal is so corrupted, which really translates to how corrupted and unethical all the people in the parts of our society, including medical to just show legislatives are not anything like they're supposed to be.
• 31:29
  So I don't have all the answers, but from what I know, I think we have to swing the pendulum hard and fast in the other direction.
• 31:38
  Recently there was uh decision and something that came out of Florida.
• 31:42
  Do you want to talk about that, Irene about the Florida?
• 31:45
  Yeah.
• 31:46
  And I don't know all the details, and I haven't spoken to the lawyer.
• 31:49
  I watched parts of Dr.
• 31:51
  Mary Town Found's interview with the attorney, but the general gist of Florida case is that uh the girl has cystic fibrosis, which is a chronic condition, and the uh mom refused uh medication that had a black box warning.
• 32:09
  And the reason why this all hit the internet was that the social workers that came to take the child away from the mom were so disparagingly obnoxiously inappropriate and unprofessional, um, that it gave more light to this case in general.
• 32:26
  And I really think that this is a good example of how people in power get corrupted, even including the social worker.
• 32:37
  Spike, you have anything to add to that, and uh, we really want to invite everybody to grab a microphone if you have questions for either one of these great guests, Spike Cohen.
• 32:47
  He was the 2020 vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party.
• 32:51
  He's very active in You Are the Power.
• 32:54
  You've heard him discuss what's happening to the children.
• 32:56
  Dr.
• 32:57
  Irene Maverakakis, she is uh vaccine injured herself back to 2012.
• 33:02
  That got her into the practice of vaccine injuries long before COVID ever happened.
• 33:08
  So she has a wealth of knowledge in that as well.
• 33:10
  So if you'd like to speak, we would love to have you grab a microphone, come up here and ask a question.
• 33:16
  Or if you have something to add, please by all means do that.
• 33:19
  Spike, I'll come back to you to see if you have anything on Florida.
• 33:22
  We are actively looking to see uh how we can help that family.
• 33:26
  Um, and it's a it's a perfect example of what we've been talking about.
• 33:30
  So you have uh uh uh you know officials that are accusing the parents of uh neglect and abuse because they didn't go with they wanted to get a second opinion, and meanwhile, while they're taking the children, they're having to ask the you know, these are the people that are supposedly there to save the children from their parents who don't care about their their medical needs, but yet they're having to ask the parents how to administer all the various uh drugs, treatments, whatever that the children are having to get, and um, because the parents do know what's best.
• 34:00
  And I'd like to take a step back on all of this because I think when we start talking policy, we often uh muddy the waters on on what we're actually talking about.
• 34:08
  Stealing children is wrong.
• 34:11
  And it's wrong whether it's being done by someone who jumps out from their van and takes your kid, or whether it's being done by a group of people who jump out of their vans uh to take your kid because they work for the government.
• 34:22
  It's still wrong.
• 34:23
  And so there's a certain level um in the society that we live in.
• 34:28
  There's a certain level of um authority that we tolerate or grant the government having, and for some reason, this is one of them.
• 34:36
  If they're going to have it, it needs to have the kind of due process that we demand and require of government whenever they go to the point of trying to take our money, our children, or our freedom.
• 34:48
  Uh, and in this case, very often both.
• 34:50
  They try to take the children and try to put the parents in in prison for things that didn't happen.
• 34:54
  And so there needs to be due process in place.
• 34:57
  Um, and so this is this family is another perfect example.
• 35:01
  Another family we're working with in Florida, the Patterson family is another example.
• 35:05
  The Patterson children, very look much like we've been saying, it is documented that they have Ellers Dan Lose.
• 35:11
  There is no evidence of abuse.
• 35:13
  The officials have admitted that their injuries have been caused by Ellers Dan Los and that there's no sign of abuse, and yet they're continuing to move forward with uh terminating the parental rights of the Patterson family and and not letting them ever see their kids again.
• 35:26
  So this is a problem.
• 35:28
  I want to take a hand now.
• 35:29
  Let's go to Joaquin and also Terry is here.
• 35:32
  We'll go to Terry right after Joaquin.
• 35:34
  Joaquin, go ahead.
• 35:35
  Booger, I'm hoping that you you you being on inside a house with the heater on and all that stuff, you know, working for I don't know how this happened in Florida, but it's cold.
• 35:45
  And it's staying away from the trees, you know, the one that fall on your head, this always goes sometimes.
• 35:52
  But no, let's let's go straight to the point.
• 35:54
  There is uh they aiming to to destroy what we know well, some people try to sanitize like the three Faith, family, freedom, freedom, faith, family, whichever way you look in it.
• 36:10
  Uh, how do you destroy the foundational society when you take the parents the kids from the parents?
• 36:18
  That's been down many times in history.
• 36:22
  That's pure socialism, that's pure Marxism.
• 36:25
  When you deprive the parents of the authorities over the kids, the kids' future, you you destroying the future, or you trying to condition the future on a way to fit your purpose.
• 36:38
  And that's what people should wake up and pay attention to.
• 36:42
  There is um uh many states are passing lows to create sanctuary cities or sanctuary states for transgenderism.
• 36:53
  An industry that uh by 2032 is gonna be around 200 and I don't know how many billions.
• 37:01
  It's all about money for these people, but also it's all about power for some of them.
• 37:06
  And if they have to destroy your family completely, if they have to destroy the future of your family, if they have to destroy uh the the seas that you plant in the society, guess what?
• 37:19
  You destroy the entire thing.
• 37:21
  They aiming education is one of the parental rise is one of the is it's a series of things.
• 37:29
  And uh propaganda is taking from front stage right now.
• 37:34
  Uh I was watching uh Booker when I was when I have this interaction in the morning with you, I was watching uh a video that came out uh I think it was um Arizona kicks protesting inside Walmart.
• 37:50
  All of a sudden, the schools open it up and uh the kids, I don't know how they ended up on Walmer.
• 37:59
  To be honest with you, because by my understanding, uh you pick up your kids or the school bosses drop your kids on certain points, or or your kids supposed to want from home to the school or from the school to home, the parents should be paying attention to that.
• 38:16
  And over the sort of you get these kicks that started getting uh radicalized, they started getting into the process of activism is a seed that they've been planting for for way too long, Booker.
• 38:29
  And it's sad, it's uh the same things, the same patterns that I see on this country is what I was born uh uh uh and raised on it.
• 38:36
  Not because of I want it or my family want it, is because the state enforced that ruling, the monopoly of power from the state, the buy all these three F Fs that I talked before.
• 38:50
  Thank you.
• 38:50
  I'm coming down to listen, uh, Booger.
• 38:53
  Joaquin is originally from Cuba, so he has some experience there.
• 38:57
  Spike, I want your comments on that when he draws a comparison to socialism and what we see with these kids being taken away.
• 39:05
  Just give us your comments from a 30,000 football.
• 39:09
  Yeah, the first thing you got to do in order to implement something like communism is to remove the very foundations that uh Joaquin was just talking about.
• 39:15
  You have to remove people's faith in something greater than themselves, you have to remove the the original societal structure that everything one other is built under, which is the family.
• 39:25
  Um, and uh and in doing so, uh, or as part of that, you have to take away their their freedom, their ability to make choices for themselves.
• 39:33
  And then at that point, they just kind of acquiesce to communism or socialism or whatever ism you're trying to impose upon them, whatever a brand of authoritarianism you're trying to impose.
• 39:42
  We see this all the time.
• 39:44
  Um there are two things that the government leading led by the federal government have done um to just these two things have done so much carnage to the family in this country, and both of them are part of social situation.
• 40:00
  Security, oddly enough.
• 40:01
  One is Title IV E of the Social Security Act, and the other one is Title IV of the Social Security Act.
• 40:07
  Um under Title IV, um, the federal government uh gives this is what we've been talking.
• 40:13
  The federal government gives money to state child protective services based on uh a variety of really perverse structures uh built around how many parents they've accused of abuse, how many children they've seized, how long the children are put in foster care, uh, whether or not the children um end up being placed permanently for adoption, and uh whether or not the children have any uh complex medical needs.
• 40:37
  And so what that does is that incentivizes the government to find young children, including newborns who have illnesses that cause injuries that they can frame parents for abuse for, because that's them that's like the golden child.
• 40:52
  That's the maximum amount of funding that they can get.
• 40:54
  Title IV of the Social Security Act, which is kind of unrelated to what we're talking about, but certainly related to what Joaquin's talking about.
• 41:01
  Title IV of the Social Security Act says that the federal government will essentially match um whatever um uh whatever um child support is ordered in family courts, and it essentially goes to that family court system, which is why you see that the family courts really don't ever want to do shared parenting.
• 41:21
  They want to say that one parent has 100% custody and the other parent is on the hook for child support and basically has their parental rights um terminated in the process because that's how they maximize their funding from the federal government.
• 41:34
  Those two things alone, and there's many, many other things they do as well, but those two things alone have done irreparable carnage to families and that's just the structure of the family in the United States and all of the the all of the terrible things that come from that.
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• 43:17
  Just to reset the room here for everyone.
• 43:20
  Welcome to this space.
• 43:22
  Glad to have you.
• 43:22
  We're having a conversation about medical kidnapping, informed consent, mandatory reporting laws from Dr.
• 43:30
  Irene Mavericakis, Spike Cohen, also uh 2020 vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party.
• 43:37
  We're doing this inside a space on X.
• 43:40
  We are hearing from some people.
• 43:41
  We're gonna go to Julie right now.
• 43:43
  Julie, go ahead, you have the floor.
• 43:45
  Dr.
• 43:45
  Irene's one of my favorite freedom fighters, so I had to jump up.
• 43:48
  Um, and I'm a grandmother here in California with seven kids.
• 43:51
  So I'm really um, you know, I'm wondering if there's is a political solution to all this.
• 43:57
  You know, we've got a big California governor's race here, and we're under medical tyranny in California.
• 44:03
  So um I'm hoping that we get somebody elected who is willing to stand up to these, you know, big establishments.
• 44:11
  I um, you know, I believed everything from my medical providers until I got injured by the COVID vaccine.
• 44:17
  And um, what I saw really, you know, kind of opened my eyes and to all this corruption.
• 44:24
  And fighting this tyranny here in California for since you know, 2022.
• 44:29
  Um yeah, I I, you know, people haven't heard of the children's health defense case, they're taking on the American Academy of Pediatrics for all this false information.
• 44:39
  Similar is a RICO case, similar to the big tobacco case, right?
• 44:43
  That said, hey, you're supplying in incorrect information.
• 44:45
  And if you read that case, it really again will open your eyes to this issue where the kids are caught in the crosshairs, right?
• 44:54
  So there were these victims.
• 44:56
  So the two there were three victims that were killed by their vaccines, two were twins, died within eight days of their childhood vaccines last year, and their mom was basically, you know, accused of homicide.
• 45:09
  And um, and then the one that I think was even more they're all disturbing, but the New York uh child who had a medical exemption for the vaccines, but the medical consultant at school overrode the medical exemption that that doctor they went and got two more, and the medical consultant at school said, no, we're not going to accept them.
• 45:33
  Your child can't come to school.
• 45:35
  Well, then the child becomes suicidal because the child wants to go to school.
• 45:39
  So the parents relent and say, fine, give them these catch-up vaccines, and those vaccines cause a joint problem that now it's caused all sorts of health issues.
• 45:48
  It's so disturbing, Booker.
• 45:50
  How do we get out of this?
• 45:51
  Is there political solution?
• 45:53
  Do we see anybody at the top?
• 45:55
  I mean, I know RFK Junior's working hard, but I don't see him working hard enough.
• 45:59
  So I don't know.
• 46:00
  I just, you know, I appreciate your show this morning.
• 46:03
  Thank you.
• 46:03
  Thank you for your comments.
• 46:04
  I'm gonna go to Dr.
• 46:06
  Irene.
• 46:06
  What are your thoughts, comments on this?
• 46:09
  Yeah, thank you.
• 46:10
  First of all, I'm so sorry that you were vaccine injured from a COVID synthetic messenger RNA bioweapon that no human had informed consent for because no one should actually get injected with a bioweapon.
• 46:23
  Um, you know, what's the answer?
• 46:25
  More freedom.
• 46:26
  The answer is also for we the people to realize our power.
• 46:29
  COVID mania tyranny would have never happened if we didn't comply.
• 46:33
  But what does that mean in the real world?
• 46:35
  Well, we start, we have to start working together to stop electing government agents, legislators, state, local, all these people who are corrupted and captured by the political elite and the industrial complexes, and elect we the people who are not corrupted.
• 46:53
  And what does that look like?
• 46:54
  Well, we have to stop participating in this tribalistic politics of us versus them and find common ground of medical freedom following the constitution and work together to take our state, federal, and local governments over.
• 47:09
  And I think it's possible as more and more people wake up, and we need to educate people in the idea that government has any right to force a course, anyone to inject something into their body and tie that to the ability to work, life, liberty, property, and pursuit of happiness, should be never tolerated by people in America.
• 47:33
  And then we have to talk about the very basic concept, which I discussed earlier that I want to reiterate.
• 47:40
  Government exists to protect life, liberty, property, and the pursuit.
• 47:44
  Doctors are supposed to first do no harm, provide informed consent, make a recommendation, and you determine after the assessment of the risks and benefits, what you determine to be best for you and your family with the why?
• 48:01
  Because we have God-given inalienable rights, and our constitution enshrines those rights.
• 48:06
  And so the issue is we the people forgot who we were.
• 48:10
  Dr.
• 48:10
  Irene, let me come back to you real quick on a question that I have as you're talking.
• 48:15
  During COVID, do you believe that doctors were even informed themselves enough to uh pass along the information that would have been beneficial for those that were taking the vaccine?
• 48:26
  Were they even informed?
• 48:28
  Or were they brainwashed?
• 48:30
  Were they brainwashed?
• 48:32
  I'm trying to shorten my answer because you know this is one of my biggest topics.
• 48:36
  But first of all, the preclinical trials demonstrated, meaning before it was launched upon the population in the data that they could have looked for, because I saw it and many others did, demonstrated serious adverse events.
• 48:54
  Secondly, basic medical science.
• 48:58
  What you should have learned in medical is that you cannot vaccinate your way out of a respiratory pandemic with a highly mutating virus because it doesn't make medical sense.
• 49:12
  Thirdly, for whatever reason, doctors have become so captured, a lot of them are employed, and they don't read primary articles and they don't research anything, and they follow the CDC, which is captured and corrupted blindly.
• 49:28
  And so what has happened to doctors is that they have lost that individual doctor-patient relationship.
• 49:35
  They have stopped becoming lifetime learners, a lot of them, not all of them.
• 49:40
  And they also cowards.
• 49:42
  They forgot that they were also citizens and people who are here to protect life and to provide the best advice to patients.
• 49:51
  I mean, some doctors were the worst medical tyranny uh people in this pandemic.
• 49:57
  And so the the point I'm trying to make.
• 50:00
  Is that all of us, including physicians and people in this country need to remember that we are free beings with free will that have the free ability to determine what happens to our own bodies?
• 50:13
  And the constitution becomes just a piece of paper if you don't choose to enforce your own ability to have your own civil liberties and right to bodily autonomy.
• 50:23
  So you asked me.
• 50:25
  Did doctors even know?
• 50:27
  Most of them didn't because they injected it into themselves and their family members, including their children.
• 50:34
  But the reason why they didn't is because medicine is a disaster that they don't lifetime learn, that they didn't look at the real data, and that the whole system needs to be completely changed into a different system with more freedom, free market, remove government incentives, government incentives to vaccine percentages, all of this terrible capture of medicine.
• 50:58
  And the answer again goes back to more competition and more freedom in medicine and remove all these corrupted ties.
• 51:06
  But the second most important thing is doctors as well.
• 51:10
  Need to remember that we live in a free country and that coercing people and scaring people into taking a medical procedure is never okay.
• 51:19
  Thank you, Dr.
• 51:19
  I'm going to come to you, Spike, to get your comments on what Dr.
• 51:23
  Irene Maverak has just said.
• 51:24
  If you have any, if not, we'll move on to Terry, but please go ahead.
• 51:27
  Well, first I'd like to go back to the original question.
• 51:30
  Then I do want to, I definitely have thoughts about uh uh how much I agree with what Irene just said, which is quite a bit.
• 51:37
  Uh but going back to the original question of what do we do?
• 51:40
  Um, well, what we're doing at You Are the Power is we're finding the actual families that this is happening to.
• 51:45
  We're telling their stories to the public and getting public attention.
• 51:49
  This is a very key part.
• 51:51
  We aren't just telling the public and getting them mad.
• 51:53
  We're giving them a relatively easy call to action that they can do inside of 30 seconds to a minute to show their support for getting this family reunited and sending it directly to the officials.
• 52:04
  Uh and when I say the officials, I mean the CPS workers, the specific CPS workers that are doing this to them, the specific family court judges, the specific hospital systems, everyone involved that is directly doing this.
• 52:16
  People that are not used to getting lots of angry uh uh emails from thousands or tens of thousands of strangers demanding they back off and do the right thing, uh, and then we rinse and repeat until they back off and do the right thing.
• 52:27
  We have a nearly 100% success rate at that.
• 52:30
  Um, as we do that, we get more and more attention to this issue uh as a whole.
• 52:36
  We get more and more media uh uh attention on it.
• 52:39
  We get more and more of the public uh recognizing it, and then that's when we're able to actually get real legislative changes passed that put a severe dampening on this uh child trafficking that we're seeing, like we did with ridge's law in Georgia.
• 52:52
  So that's the way we've been doing it.
• 52:54
  We start with the families that are having this happen to them and with the people and the public who certainly are going to want to help them once they find out.
• 53:01
  Um, I I don't think that there's a um, well, I don't want to say political because what I described is actually a type of politics.
• 53:09
  Um, but I don't think that there's an electoral first strategy that's going to fix this.
• 53:14
  This isn't, oh, if we just elect such and such and so and so, they'll fix this.
• 53:18
  The problem isn't a handful of uh of corrupt elected officials or even hundreds of elected officials.
• 53:24
  The problem is a 50-state multi-trillion dollar child trafficking operation that's built on uh perverse funding incentives that are codified into law.
• 53:33
  And the only way to fix that is from the bottom up.
• 53:36
  We have to find the people this is happening to, we have to let the public know this is happening, we need to help those who need it the most, the ones who are having actively having their children taken from them now.
• 53:45
  And in doing so, we draw attention to what's happening in a non-political way or a nonpartisan way.
• 53:51
  We don't say this is a Republican problem or a Democrat problem or a conservative problem or a progressive problem because it isn't.
• 53:57
  It is a 50 state problem.
• 53:59
  It is everywhere.
• 54:00
  And so we've been very successful at that.
• 54:02
  Going back to what Irene said, um, she mentioned capture, and she's 100% correct.
• 54:07
  The uh the medical establishment is captured, the um the governing agencies are captured.
• 54:12
  I'd like to kind of explain for those who don't understand what capture means.
• 54:16
  Very often when we hear about the government regulating something, we think that that means that the government now has control of that sector.
• 54:23
  So if the if the government is um is regulating uh medicine, well, then that means the government's in control of medicine.
• 54:30
  Whether you think that's right or wrong, uh that they're in control of medicine, you're actually wrong.
• 54:34
  Medicine's in control in control of the government now.
• 54:37
  So what happens is when the government begins to regulate something, uh, as a natural consequence, the industries that are being affected by that immediately figure out how they can protect themselves from these regulations, and over time they figure out how they can benefit from these regulations.
• 54:53
  Initially it starts as just a way to survive the new regulatory and tax burdens that are being put on them.
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  Over time they realize, wait a second, I can control these lobbyists, or I can put lobbyists in the control of these elected officials and these and these appointed officials, and I can actually uh, you know, if I get in good enough, we can actually decide who's in charge of these things, and uh, and then we control stuff.
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  And uh we see this in every sector of the economy.
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  They are captured.
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  So it's actually the reason that the government is increasingly captured by big pharma, big agriculture, big energy, big uh everything, big defense contractors, everything, is precisely because of the regulatory structure they put in place.
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  Because if those things work in place, then the best way that the medical industry could make more money is to serve the needs of the consumer.
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  But as long as that structure is in place to regulate everything and not allow us to make individual choices for ourselves, well, then the best way for them to make money is to control that structure.
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  And so, like Irene said, the answer is freedom.
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  The answer is getting government as out of these things as we possibly can so that we make choices based on uh our informed consent and having the full understanding of what we're uh the choices that we're making and not having it forced on us, not having it mandated, not having you know punishments where, oh yeah, you can choose not to do this, but we will steal your children from you if you make that choice.
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  That's the answer.
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  I think that's a great way to end this hour here tonight.
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  Couldn't have said it better.
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  I couldn't come close to saying it as well as Spike Cohen just did.
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  Dr.
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  Irene, thank you for joining us on the program tonight.
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  And Spike, also thank you as well for doing that.
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  I'm Booker Scott.
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  And you were told two thousand years ago that you are the salt of the earth and salt without labor, it has no value.
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  So whatever you do, keep being salty.
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  Have a great night.
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  There is only one truth.
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  You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America out loud.