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Episode 410 - Open the Vault for One Heck of a Guest Lineup! · TechtalkRadio

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  Speaker 1: The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: and we are the show that talks about computers, technology
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  Speaker 1: and the Internet. And the guys were all just slammed
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  Speaker 1: this week. A lot going on, so we were talking.
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  Speaker 1: We said, you know, let's do some of the past
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  Speaker 1: segments that we've done. Rather than a best of where
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  Speaker 1: we air an entire show from a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: let's do some of those segments we really had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun with. And if we go back many years,
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  Speaker 1: got a chance an opportunity to talk to the guy
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  Speaker 1: behind the music for the Medal of Honors series, but
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  Speaker 1: also the music for big movies and TV shows like Lost.
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  Speaker 1: And you know Lost is now back. Well, it's on Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: it was on Amazon's freeb service and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are really getting into it. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that is going to be really cool is there's
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  Speaker 1: a documentary called Getting Lost, which is going to be
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  Speaker 1: on the service, I believe next month. Again, I'm really
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to this thing. But again, if you like
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  Speaker 1: the show Lost, you like the music that you see
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  Speaker 1: in movies and TV shows. Michael Giacchino was one of
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  Speaker 1: our guests that really enjoyed. Michael shared with us not
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  Speaker 1: only the process of putting music into video games that
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  Speaker 1: you play and how that all works because it's not
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  Speaker 1: just one big score, there's certain elements throughout the game,
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  Speaker 1: but also about working with Steven Spielberg. So I hope
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  Speaker 1: you enjoyed this interview, with this discussion with Michael Giaccino.
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  Speaker 1: Michael's great to talk to you. How you doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. How you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Andy doing phenomenal. It's great to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of yours and always excited when
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  Speaker 1: EA is putting out a new game title with your music. Man,
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  Speaker 1: it brought thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You're in Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tucson, Arizona. You ever been out here?
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  Speaker 2: You know? I have been to Tucson mostly, though I
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  Speaker 2: go to Tempe. I have a cousin that lives in
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  Speaker 2: Tempe that I visit quite often.
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  Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you, Michael, how did you latch
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  Speaker 1: on to the EA franchise for the Metal Honor series?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, it happened a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I was working at EA as a producer at the time,
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  Speaker 2: and I was producing some games that, one of which
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  Speaker 2: never got made, one of which came out. But it
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  Speaker 2: was at the very kind of beginning of the DreamWorks
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  Speaker 2: Interactive days, and Spielberg was around a lot and there
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  Speaker 2: was a game called The Lost World that we were making,
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  Speaker 2: and one of the producers of that game, who was
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  Speaker 2: a good friend of mine's from the Disney days of
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  Speaker 2: working in Disney Interactive, he was producing this game, The
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  Speaker 2: Lost World, and he said, look, we need some music
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  Speaker 2: for this demo we're having for Spielberg, and can you
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  Speaker 2: throw something together tonight because we have a big presentation tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: He's coming in to look at our animation and our
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  Speaker 2: character designs and all this. So I threw together this
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  Speaker 2: little piece of music for the compy. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you remember the game, but there's a little dinosaur
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  Speaker 2: called the Copy and they're cute, but they're vicious. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I wrote a piece of music for that and
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  Speaker 2: they had that in their demo meeting with him, which
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  Speaker 2: I was not a part of that meeting, And I
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  Speaker 2: remember being upstairs and the phone rings and it was
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  Speaker 2: my friend Patrick, and I was like, well, how'd it go?
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  Speaker 2: And he said, well, Stephen wants to see you can
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  Speaker 2: you come down right now. And I was like, oh boy,
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  Speaker 2: so okay. So I went downstairs and at the bottom
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  Speaker 2: of the escalator there was Steven Spielberg just waiting there,
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  Speaker 2: and it was he introduced himself as if he needed to,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, you know, he just told me how
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  Speaker 2: much he loved the music and and and that he
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  Speaker 2: you know, wanted to make sure this was done with
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  Speaker 2: a live orchestra and all of these things, and that
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  Speaker 2: kind of sets the whole thing in motion for me
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  Speaker 2: and for my career that moment right there. So and
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  Speaker 2: then when Metal of Honor came up, he said, well
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  Speaker 2: we should have Michael. Are we gonna Michael do this too?
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  Speaker 2: And and it just kind of became my things. So
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  Speaker 2: that's so I was kind of, you know, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: at the time, I was a producer in games, trying
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  Speaker 2: to become just a composer full time.
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  Speaker 3: But again, you.
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  Speaker 1: Get it, and he wanted that full orchestra for that,
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  Speaker 1: and you're still you're still utilizing full orchestras for creating
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  Speaker 1: this correct?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely no. I you know, even at that time
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  Speaker 2: for me, it was all I ever wanted to do
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  Speaker 2: was write for full orchestra. I mean, and I just
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  Speaker 2: love that whole aspect of movies. You know that I
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  Speaker 2: grew up listening to soundtracks and classical music and jazz
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  Speaker 2: and and just live musicians. For me are where it's at.
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  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't ever want to work on something that
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  Speaker 2: didn't have live musicians. There's just something not exciting to
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  Speaker 2: me about sitting in a room with a synthesizer.
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  Speaker 4: The game.
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  Speaker 3: How does that process work?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Basically, what I do is sit down with the
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  Speaker 2: team and in this case the malavannor Airborne guys, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Gilmour, who was my main contact on this, and
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  Speaker 2: one of the executive producers. We would sit down and
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  Speaker 2: they would do these what we call play playthroughs of
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  Speaker 2: the game and videotape them, and then we'd make QuickTime.
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  Speaker 4: Movies of those.
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  Speaker 2: And we would watch these QuickTime movies of the different
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  Speaker 2: areas of the game that we decided needed music right,
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  Speaker 2: and then we would talk emotionally about Okay, what is
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  Speaker 2: happening here and what is it we want to feel?
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  Speaker 2: What's the overarch arcing storyline? You know, the story is
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  Speaker 2: king when it comes to video game as it is
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  Speaker 2: when you're working on a film. I mean you have
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  Speaker 2: to be in sync.
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  Speaker 5: With that story.
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  Speaker 2: And the guys at EA working on these Metal of
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  Speaker 2: Honor games, that is their number one concern is the
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  Speaker 2: storytelling and you know, and the gameplay. Those two things
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  Speaker 2: are what make their games work. And that's what I
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  Speaker 2: love about them is that they're actually you know, there
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  Speaker 2: are some companies out there making games that just care
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  Speaker 2: about the gameplay. But these guys care about both the
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  Speaker 2: gameplay and the storytelling. And for me, that's where I
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  Speaker 2: always want to work. So when we sit down, we
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  Speaker 2: actually figure out what is that storyline and how is
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  Speaker 2: it rising out as it's falling, and how can we
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  Speaker 2: you know, hopefully create a musical arc that will lead
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  Speaker 2: us to the end of the game in a big way.
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  Speaker 2: Just a lot like spotting a movie.
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  Speaker 3: Who do you use as far as your orchestra.
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  Speaker 1: Are these musicians that come from other areas or do
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  Speaker 1: you tend to work with the same ones, like for
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  Speaker 1: some of the musical scores that you do for movies.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like for Metal of Honor, Airborne was played
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  Speaker 2: pretty much by the same guys that played Mission Impossible
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  Speaker 2: or The Incredibles or Ratitude or or you know, any
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  Speaker 2: of the other movies they've worked on. It's a it's
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  Speaker 2: a group that I like to stick with and I've
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  Speaker 2: been working with them for a long time now here
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  Speaker 2: in LA and they're LA musicians, and they're kind of
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  Speaker 2: like hired guns, you know, they come in you need
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  Speaker 2: you need an orchestra, you have a group that you're
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  Speaker 2: close with, you call them in. And the great thing
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  Speaker 2: about it is they sit down, they don't know what
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  Speaker 2: they're about to play. When they come in that morning,
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  Speaker 2: they've never seen the music before. So when they sit
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  Speaker 2: down to record at ten o'clock and when the light
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  Speaker 2: goes on and we start recording, that's the first time
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  Speaker 2: they've seen that music. They have to get it right.
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  Speaker 2: There's no rehearsal days, anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you do a lot of stings in it so
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  Speaker 1: that way when something happens in the game it kind
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  Speaker 1: of jumps to that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do a little bit of that there. There
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  Speaker 2: are certain things that we know are recurring kind of
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  Speaker 2: events and we want to make sure that those are
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  Speaker 2: highlighted in a certain way. Absolutely. Yeah, there's definitely in sting,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes it's it's more than just a stinger. It's
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  Speaker 2: a musical phrase or it's a you know, there's different
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  Speaker 2: ways to handle it depending on what the what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the first time I played the series, it
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  Speaker 1: was one of those where the music actually gives you
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  Speaker 1: and it helps.
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  Speaker 3: It gives you the goosebumps when.
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  Speaker 1: You do something that is that is good or you
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  Speaker 1: reach that that that that point in the game where
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  Speaker 1: you've completed you.
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  Speaker 2: Know it's right exactly, it's great.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know, music is the great Uh, It's
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  Speaker 2: it's just it helps you decide what you're feeling. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So you you know, you could go wrong in so
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  Speaker 2: many ways writing music, and that's the that's the tightrope act.
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  Speaker 2: You want to make sure that whatever that emotion is
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  Speaker 2: you're locking into is exactly what needs to be uh
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  Speaker 2: communicated for the game, you know. And and so like
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  Speaker 2: I said, it's it's you could go left or right
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  Speaker 2: at any time, but the idea is just be true
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  Speaker 2: to the to the game and the story, because it's
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  Speaker 2: easy to kind of just say, oh, I like what
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing here, so I'm just going to go off
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  Speaker 2: on this tangent. So you got always stop yourself from that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the music was so well received with the first title.
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  Speaker 1: I remember they actually put out a CD.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that.
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  Speaker 3: Are they going to be doing the same for Airborne?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they put out CDs for all of them, and
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  Speaker 2: then for Airborne it's up on iTunes.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I went out and I purchased them.
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  Speaker 1: I three soundtrack, great score.
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  Speaker 3: I thank you on that. I really like that. I'm
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  Speaker 3: also a big fan of Lost.
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  Speaker 4: Is that?
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  Speaker 3: Are you still involved in that?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely? As a matter of fact, I just got back
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  Speaker 2: from Hawaii where I was working with the Honolulu Symphony
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  Speaker 2: last Saturday night. This past Saturday, we did a whole
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  Speaker 2: night of Lost music with the Honolulu Symphony.
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  Speaker 4: Cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that and that was an amazing time because there
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  Speaker 2: we were in Hawaii outdoors underneath their Hollywood Bowl type
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  Speaker 2: shell uh and with the wind blowing and just the
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  Speaker 2: moon shine. I mean, it was just an amazing setting.
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  Speaker 2: H So that was the first time we ever did
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  Speaker 2: that for the show, and it was it was pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 1: It is it tough for you as the composer for
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  Speaker 1: the music when people know that you do this, that
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  Speaker 1: you have to feel the calls from them saying what's
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  Speaker 1: happening in next season?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Everyone always asks if I know that, and you know
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  Speaker 2: the simple As a matter of fact, I just saw
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  Speaker 2: on some blog yesterday some one of my assistants pointed
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  Speaker 2: it out to me that they were having a discussion
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  Speaker 2: how much does Michael Gacchino know? You know, how much
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  Speaker 2: does he know? And and do you think he's lying
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  Speaker 2: when he says he doesn't know anything? And that's the
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  Speaker 2: truth is I don't know anything, and I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to know anything because I feel like my writing needs
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  Speaker 2: to be in the moment of the story, and if
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  Speaker 2: I know what's happening ahead of time, I'll subconsciously I
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  Speaker 2: could give that away in the music or you know.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm my goal is to always be as kind
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  Speaker 2: of in the moment as the characters are, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And I think it works the best that way. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I know nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It just creates an ad to the suspense.
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  Speaker 1: It's great stuff and I'm looking forward to seeing it
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  Speaker 1: in the game title aswelve Mental of hoon Or Airport.
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  Speaker 1: And Mike, I got to tell you, it's great to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you. And if you ever do come out
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  Speaker 1: to Tucson, We're treating you to a steak dinner if
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  Speaker 1: you want to.
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  Speaker 2: Come home, right that's good. Thank you so much. Nice
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  Speaker 2: talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: We've had a great time talking with Michael Giaccino. And again,
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  Speaker 1: continue to listen to some of the different scores that
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  Speaker 1: you may find. You could do a search for Michael
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  Speaker 1: Giacchino and check out some of the many different movies
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  Speaker 1: that he has done. Now, when it comes to audio
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  Speaker 1: listening to scores with your headphones, it's really important. Eric
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  Speaker 1: Pelinin was a product manager for Sennheiser Senheiser headphones. I
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  Speaker 1: use them. I love them, super comfortable. They're great in
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  Speaker 1: the studio, but for anybody that's an audio file, whether
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  Speaker 1: you like to get out and run. They just recently
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  Speaker 1: put out some new buds that you fit right in
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  Speaker 1: the air that just sound great and get long battery life.
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  Speaker 1: But Senheiser has put together all kinds of great products.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of the discussions of some of the
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  Speaker 1: products that they have put together. It's Sennheiser on tech
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  Speaker 1: talk Radio. This week was a big week for Sennheiser
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  Speaker 1: as they announced a new line really an Onslaught or
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  Speaker 1: an arsenal as they call it, of innovative gaming headsets
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  Speaker 1: and whether it's the senior product specialist Eric Palin to
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  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about some of the cool
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  Speaker 1: announcements that came out of Sanheiser this week. Eric, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for coming on tech Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 7: I appreciate the opportunity. And it's the season of givings,
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  Speaker 7: so we're trying to give out some good news and
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  Speaker 7: show on our cool new wares.
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  Speaker 1: And you look at some of the titles that are
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  Speaker 1: out now that are coming out for the holiday season
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  Speaker 1: as well, and some that have just been released. It's
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  Speaker 1: amazing what they're doing with graphics as well as audio.
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  Speaker 7: It is truly an immersive experience. I can't even I
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  Speaker 7: can't even fathom playing the games of yesterday having seen
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  Speaker 7: what's available now today. It's such an immersive experience you
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  Speaker 7: can really get into the game. And that's what we
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  Speaker 7: try to do is bring it even closer than to
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  Speaker 7: the game than what the gamer game designers intended. And
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  Speaker 7: I think we've taken a significant step forward.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if I remember correctly, my first broadcast headphones when
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  Speaker 1: I got into radio, we're Sennheiser's with the yellow yellow
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  Speaker 1: phone cups on them.
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  Speaker 3: Is this kind of a first?
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  Speaker 1: Is this a departure for Sennheiser to get into gaming headsets.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you think about Sennheiser and two things really come
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  Speaker 7: to mind. You think about headphones, which you just mentioned
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  Speaker 7: the old HD four to fourteen, that's that's actually the
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  Speaker 7: best selling headphone of all time. You also think about
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  Speaker 7: microphones too, And on the professional side of the business,
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  Speaker 7: broadcast and Broadway and recording studios, that's where we're known
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  Speaker 7: as well. And gamers for a long time have been saying, listen,
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  Speaker 7: our computers, our games are more capable than ever. What
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  Speaker 7: are you going to do to bridge the gap between
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  Speaker 7: input and output in this gaming experience? And we said, hey,
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  Speaker 7: we make great mics, we make great headphones. Why not
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  Speaker 7: stick them together and add a cool interface to get
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  Speaker 7: this audio in and out of your PC and really
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  Speaker 7: really up the ante for gaming experience.
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  Speaker 1: Wearing headphones while playing a game, I've always thought has
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  Speaker 1: been one of the best. But the idea now of
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  Speaker 1: putting on a surround sound inside the headphones themselves, that's
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  Speaker 1: got to be a task. How do you get that done?
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  Speaker 7: It's tricky, But we relied on the expertise of the
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  Speaker 7: folks at Doby. They are just their geniuses, let's put
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  Speaker 7: it that way. They have fantastic resources and have done
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  Speaker 7: a lot of cool things in this industry in bringing
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  Speaker 7: a simulated surround experience to a left and right ear
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  Speaker 7: it's amazing what they can do Doobe Labs has found
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  Speaker 7: a way to take sound that would normally originate from
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  Speaker 7: two areas, which is of course the left and right earphone,
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  Speaker 7: and simulate them coming from all sorts of different directions.
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  Speaker 7: So not only do you have a left and a right,
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  Speaker 7: you have a front, you have a back, you have
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  Speaker 7: an above and a below, and again I'll use the
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  Speaker 7: word immersive. This technology that Dolby has adds that immersive
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  Speaker 7: layer to the Sennheiser headset, which is already pretty good
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  Speaker 7: out of the box now I.
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  Speaker 1: Think you touched on it earlier, and you certainly make
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  Speaker 1: a good point. Sendheiser does have that professional name when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the headsets, but also the microphones, and
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  Speaker 1: these microphones, because they are gaming headsets, kid can in
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  Speaker 1: heighten the experience because you can actually now talk to
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  Speaker 1: your teammates or interface with them using the microphone.
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  Speaker 3: That's part of the headsets.
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  Speaker 7: E sports is huge. I never thought, you know, growing up,
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  Speaker 7: that you could play video games for a living, and
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  Speaker 7: that's what these kids do. It's the equivalent of being
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  Speaker 7: on a great professional baseball or basketball team, but for
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  Speaker 7: video games. And it's incredible the amount of communication that
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  Speaker 7: they require to be successful. And that's of course, that's fantastic.
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  Speaker 7: Communication is essential to success just about any aspect of life,
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  Speaker 7: but they rely on it for success when playing these games.
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  Speaker 7: And to communicate, you have to have a microphone, and
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  Speaker 7: you want to be able to hear what they're saying clearly, see,
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  Speaker 7: you have to have a headphone.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the the headsets themselves
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  Speaker 1: that we're announced this week. You have different models, how
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  Speaker 1: many total?
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  Speaker 7: We have four new flagship gaming models, and we tend
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  Speaker 7: to offer a few different variants of a particular headphone.
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  Speaker 7: That way we can meet either someone's budget or perhaps
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  Speaker 7: they have a different ware style or another feature that
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  Speaker 7: they really look for. We can really hone in in
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  Speaker 7: our customer that way and give them exactly what they're
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  Speaker 7: looking for. We do have four models in this gaming series.
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: Two of them feature the Dolby seven point one headphone technology,
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: and that's the PC one six three D D stands
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: for a Dolby and the PC three three three D,
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: and both of these feature that again, that Dolby technology
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: a noise canceling microphone. The three three three though, has
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: a really cool feature. It's a rotatable ear cup. And
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: let's say you're gaming with your friends a land tournament,
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: and these are actually quite common where hundreds of gamers
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: get together, they bring their PCs, they set them all
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: up and they start gaming. They're having a competition. Well,
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: as your teammates are staying behind you, assisting you, giving
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: you hints and strategy, you may need to monitor what
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: they're saying. Well, this PC three three three D has
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: a rotatable earcup. You flip it up and you can
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: listen to what they're saying, as well as monitor the
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: in game audio with the other ear This was inspired
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: by DJ headphones who need to monitor two audio sources
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: at one time, one being the music track or in
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: this case, the computer game, the other being the crowd
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: and the music playing out in the loudspeakers. So it's
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: a fantastic option for those who are hardcore gamers really
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: into the land competition.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Well, obviously sounds great for gaming. I'm just wondering for
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: those that multi use their headphones for watching movies or
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: listening to music over their audio devices. How about it
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: work for that.
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: We want to make these headsets ideal for but we
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: know that those who game aren't just gaming on a PC.
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: They're watching movies, they're downloading the latest the latest tracks,
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: and this layer of immersion will will really bring that
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: bring them closer to that movie or that you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: that latest track that they just downloaded. Everything just comes
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: to life and it really puts you in the action,
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: whether you're interacting with the game or just you know,
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: lounging for a few hours watching the Laves to Action flick.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So you have the PC three thirty three D and
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: you have the PC one sixty three D, which have
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a certain features for the gamer. But there's also a
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: couple of other models as well that Sennheiser has announced.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: There's two gaming headphones that do not have the Doby
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: seven point one. We have what's called a PC three
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: sixty This is an open air gaming headset and this
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: is it kind of reminds you of that HD four
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: to fourteen you had from years ago. It's got those
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: nice comfy cushions. They go around the year, but the
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: sound waves can interact very naturally with the airspace around them,
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: and that open design lets the acoustics really just expand
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: and contract as they would in nature. The result is
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: the ultra realistic sound reproduction you would expect from a
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: Sennheiser headphone. This PC three P sixty is designed to
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: be used with the highest end PC gaming sound cards,
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: and so this kind of customer is probably rocking a
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: PC that's north of five thousand dollars. The sound card
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: may be several hundred dollars by itself. Hey, what better
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: way to compliment that high performance with than with a
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: PC three sixty.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Like the other models we've already talked about, this also
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: has the gaming microphone to interact with your teammates or
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: even use it for Skype or some of the other services.
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, all four models have a microphone that has noise
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: canceling capabilities, meaning the rear side of the microphone rejects
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: ambient noise and thus it focuses specifically on speech. Now,
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: the PC once sixty three that we talked about, the
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: three thirty three, and the PC three sixty have a
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: microphone mute option too. Now, on the three thirty three
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: and PC three sixty, you just flip up the microphone
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: when you're done using it and that will automatically mute it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: Really cool feature. Also, the last headset, the PC three
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: thirty is like that three thirty three, but it doesn't
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: have the Dolby. It still has the rotating earcup and
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: they flip up microphone though, so again another option for
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: those who have a high end sound card and don't
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: necessarily need a Dolby seven point one, or perhaps it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: already built into their rig.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that's always been popular with
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Sinheiser and radio DJs like myself has been the fact
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that they're comfortable. You could wear them for long periods
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of time, the whole bit, and that's gonna be obviously
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the same with this, with the adjustable head pieces and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: pretty much comfort throughout Exactly.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: We spend a lot of time not only in the acoustics,
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: but on the experience, and a large portion of that
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: experience is being comfortable. If you don't want to wear it,
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: you're not going to use it. So we know we
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: have to make a comfortable headphone or headset right out
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: of the gate, and we do that. We also offer
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: replaceable parts, earpads, microphone, windscreen covers, adapters, those types of
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: things for headphones that are forty fifty years old and
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: including these newer headset models as well. So it's a
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: great investment. It's a lot of value, and we offer
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: a two year warranty on every product that we make.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what they do last a long time.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: They're well built.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Actually putting the headphones on is probably the best way
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to demonstrate one of these, but people might want to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: take a look and see what they look like.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: They can visit the website. Can you give us a
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: website address?
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Absolutely? Check out SENNHEISERUSA dot com. We also frequent our
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: YouTube channel YouTube dot com, slash SENDHEISERUSA, and you can
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: always friend us on Facebook. We send out lots of
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: product updates and information and cool usage tips via all
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: three of those mediums. Thanks again, you're welcome. You have
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: great day.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, be sure to take a look at their website
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: for the different products that they offer. Sennheiser USA. They
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: again some great stuff that will really help you in
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the studio or just to listen to your favorite song,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: favorite music, or even favorite shows. And a friend of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the show is Zach Selwyn. Zach actually came from Tucson
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and it's done pretty good in the world of television
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and music. He has his own band. They do performances
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and once in a while they'll come back here to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the old pueblo. But also was on tech TV with
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Leo Laporte, who we're going to hear a little later
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: on in the show. Our discussion was Zach Selwyn. Zach,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: great to talk to you. Well, I'll tell you what
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: we've been seeing a lot of you on G four
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: tech TV. And then your music is awesome. I love
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the song Tucson Afternoon.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Thanks man. Yeah, that's a little homage to the hometown.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: You know, how long have you been away from Tucson?
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Wow?
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: I was realizing a couple of days ago. I think
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: it's like I'm in my thirteenth or fourteenth year here
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: in La So, yeah, it's a while. I'm still at
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Arizona though, because I've lived there longer.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I hear you. Plus, I mean you
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: come back and visit, and once you're here you start
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: doing I don't know if you were into the egs
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and everything else when you were here.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Oh, dude, I gotta go to Eg's. I gotta get
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: me a grinder with the double meat and a little
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: strawberry Eg's, maybe an ice TGS, a couple of pizza, pretzels,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: and some fraz.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: I missed that a lot.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Eg's.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: It should have expanded a long time ago. I don't
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: know what happened there. I mean, come on, put in
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Eg's in Vegas. You'll make a trillion dollars.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: No.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have been watching G
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: four Tech TV and thinking, man, how did you go
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: from Tucson onto that show? I mean you took a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: few steps along the way to get there too, didn't you.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I mean I came out to LA for
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: school and then I was an actor. You know, I
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: still am an actor for a few years there. And
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: one thing I got into was that ESPN show that
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: was a sports broadcasting show called dream Job, and I
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: was on that. Yeah, And I was a runner up
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: on that, which was great because it just opened a
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: lot more doors. And then I did some stuff on
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: the GS and Extreme Dodgeball and all that stuff. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: then one day my buddy was casting a G four
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: He's like, they need someone who's good on his street
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: and can travel and talk to anyone anywhere at any time.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I'll come out and see what it's all about.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: And then I got to thank the park. I wasn't
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: even sure what it was because I'm like, I haven't
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: really played video games in a while. And yeah, the
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: next thing I know, I was hired and I loved it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: And you know, now I have the Wi, the three sixty,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: the PS three.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: You know, do you have a preference out of them?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, everybody's been talking this week about
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the PS three with the eighty gig and you know
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that's cool and everything, but I don't know. For me,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the Wei I really enjoy that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: I do too, man, and I get in a lot
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: of brawls with people who like, you know, talk down
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: to Wii users. But for me, I'm a social guy.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: I like that people over a lot, and if people
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: come over to play with three sixty, it's kind of like,
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: unless it's a guitar hero. I never really enjoy watching
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: the first person shooters and that stuff, but the Wei,
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: it's like, man, I can get drunken bowl.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: It not hurt anybody.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, no one gets hurted. Everyone's having a good time.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: But the new stuff they're coming out with looks awesome.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: For the we like they sing the gun attachment and
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: the guitar here they're gonna have It's gonna be sweet.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Now you got a chance to see some of this
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: stuff with the E three show that you went through
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the Business and Media Summit. How was that, Well, it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Was a really interesting experience because last year it was
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: about a three hundred and fifty thousand person convention, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: then this year they canceled everything and made it like
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: a three hundred person convention at a little airport hangar
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: in Santa Monica. Yeah, so it was kind of a
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: bummer because it was a little bit more of mellow
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: and not as fun. But I mean, their new games
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: are so sick. It was just fun to sit there
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: and play them all. I felt kind of blessed to
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: beginning to do that because everyone I know was so
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: jealous I was there, But I like sports games a lot.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: There's this one called The Bigs, which is a baseball
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: game coming out across all consoles, and you know, all
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: the other guys work who are into like Halo and
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: all that stuff, we're kind of going crazy for all
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: that stuff too, So you know, it was fun.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: There's there's talk this week also about the take two
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Interactive's new game where you can actually play classic retired
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: football players, and one of.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Them being oj No.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: I didn't hear that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And apparently when he gets into the end zone
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: he does the stabbing actions.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: There you go. If that's that was the greatest idea
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: I've ever heard. Now, what about Lawrence Taylor? Does he
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: do coke? When he scored?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: He gets down and takes up the linesdline?
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: What do you think about Comic Con too?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to ask you about that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, the.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: Best time, man, It's so much fun.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And you meet a lot of people too, So it's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: also not only is it people as fans going, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: people are in the industry get to do some networking.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I meet a lot of fans of
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: the show and that sort of thing. But yeah, I've
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: got to meet, you know, a lot of actors this year.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: I always hang out with Kevin Smith. And there's some
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: other peach who are there this year that were real cool,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: like what's his name? The dude from the director the
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: producer guy Joel Silver.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, Joel Silver, Yeah.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Peter Fonda and Ben Foster from three ten to Yuma.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: That looks like an awesome Western and.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: That's a remake of a film that they originally shot here.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: I know, man, I know it. I's a age Western fan, so.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely want it. Shows that and shows in the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: music as well. It's you know, the gaming industry has
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: been huge, but also kind of the tech stuff, and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that's what we get to see with Attack of the Show,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: which is an awesome program. But you know you've you've
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: worked it into music as well. Tell us a little
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: bit about your music and about the group.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you know, I started my band in O
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: two after being like solo for a while there, and
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: we just got a lot of good energy happening early
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: and put out a couple of country rock records. And
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: then I was in this movie called Dead and Breakfast,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: which is like a horror spoof kind of comedy gore
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: splatter thing, and I did all music for that and
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: that sort of got me a lot of you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: horror film kind of attention, which is a big market.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: And then yeah, getting on G four, it's like another
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: kind of cult market, so the music sort of has
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: like a little following. So I did like a song
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: for Stargate Atlantis, and I did a song that's on
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: YouTube called cartoons I'd like to and some other little videos.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: But yeah, man, I'm just cutting records, and every once
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: in a while the band gets paid to go travel
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: somewhere and play and we're a good time. We're gonna
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: probably be playing in Tucson in the fall, so I'll
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: let you know when that happens.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And that's Zachariah and the Love of Riders.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Lobos Riders, which is a it was, which is like
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: a crew that my dad belonged to when I was younger.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: They used to go down to Porto Lobos in Mexico
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: and they called himself the Lobos Rider, So I just
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: stole the name.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Oh that's very cool. I understand there was some work
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: with what was it, snooped on.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the guy who produces Snoops Records produced that
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Stargate Atlanta song that I did.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Oh cool. Now, did you get a chance to meet
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Snoop and all that?
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: I've met Snoop a couple of times through the show,
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: just because I've interviewed him for movies and stuff. And yeah,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: he is a hat a laid.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Back cat me. And what about Fergie there's something there too.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, before she was Fergie. She was Stacy Ferguson, and
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: she was, you know, kind of struggling singer and working
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: on a solo album. And I met her and we
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: started doing some songs together. So we did three songs together,
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: two that are on our first release, Ghost Signs. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: she was just cool. Man. She had an amazing voice.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, I was like, hey,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: can you come in and sing? She goes, I'm in
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: the Black Eyed Peas.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Now, oh wow.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, well, good luck with that. Done
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: anything in ten years? Next thing I know, I'm singing
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: my hopes.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, exactly exactly. So that so do it so much.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: You got music, you got acting, and then you know
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the hosting of the segments on Attack of the show.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Do you have a preference?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Not really. I think I'm one of those guys who
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: if I'm not doing everything, I get sort of upset
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: and I'm not doing everything.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But the problem is trying to balance at all,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: because it's just it gets hard. You have to focus
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: on certain things at certain times, and other opportunities can
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: come up that you miss, and you just have to
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: kind of accept it. I think if I would have
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: focused on one thing, I would have been probably successful
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: a lot earlier in my life.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Uh so, what what what should we be looking at
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: on attack the attack of the show. What are some
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: things that you're going to be doing.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Let's see, I'm doing a I did a set visit
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: to that ABC Family show Greek that's on Friday show.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: I have a new sketch that I'm filming today. Actually,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: I'm about to get in the chair for it's a
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: spoof on the iPod. Nicely, it's like basically the Eye Vinyl.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: It's about a record player that Mac is, you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: putting out for indie rock geeks who only like records
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: and you know that kind of stuff. And then I
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: don't know. Most of good stuff I do is online
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: on g four tv dot com, So to go there
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: and type in my name, there's a whole bunch of
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: cool stuff.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And is Olivia as hot as she is?
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: She's smoking hot, many I say.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes I watch that show, I just can't take
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: my eyes off her. Although I was a little worried
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: because I was watching some of the Comic Con coverage
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and there was a dirty stormtrooper behind her, and I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: could I kept like going why has he covered in dirt?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking I should be looking at Olivia.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, get your eyes off the trooper, buddy.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Awesome, Zach. Listen next time you come to Tucson, if
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you want to come sit in with us, we'd love that, man.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Oh Man, absolutely absolutely.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And we'll look forward to the band playing here as well.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Give us the website address our listeners can check it out.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: It's Zachariah music dot com. So that's the z A
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: C h A r i ah music dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, Zach Sellen, talk to you again.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Soon, Man.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: I much loves man.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Always love talking to Zach. And you have seen him
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: on CBS News and you've maybe read his books, written
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: a read his column. David Pogue is standingby. We're going
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to talk to David Pogue in an archived interview that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: coming up on tech Talk Radio, and that fact to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: tech Talk Radio. You may have seen his segments on
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: CBS News or read his columns or maybe even his books,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and we've had him on a couple of times and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: always love talking to him because he just provides a
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: wealth of great technical information. David Pogue. We had a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: chance to talk to him in an archived interview. Here's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: David Pogue on Tech Talk Radio. David, thanks for coming.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: On the show.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: Hey, my pleasure.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: It's always great to talk to you, David. You you've
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: been you know, we always think you're like guy, you're
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a busy guy. You do the column, you do the books.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: H It's like not enough for.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: You, not enough?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And now a TV's there, tell us, tell us about
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Sure, it's called It's All Geeked to Me, and it's
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: it's on the Science Channel every Friday. Wench. They debut
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: every Friday night at eight. Uh, but then they rerun
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: endlessly all weekend. I think they only have this on
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: one other show on that And then what's really cool
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: is in June it's going to start airing on Discovery
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: HD in high definition. You'll be able to see the
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: pores on my poor.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Don't you just love that? What?
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: What was the decision to put this together?
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: You know? I do these funny little web videos for
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: the New York Times website every week. Yeah, and they're
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: a little technology three minute goofball reports and the New
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: York Times had a joint venture with Discovery the Megalithic
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: seventeen channel network of networks and it was called Discovery Times,
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: and so the Times people said, hey, maybe we could
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: get this guy Pogue to do something for us, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: they sort of expand that idea, and that is that
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: is in fact what happened. I sort of envisioned sort
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: of a cooking show without the food, you know, like
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: that that's the format.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And the cars.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, But I mean there's there's a thousand cooking
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: how to shows. There's a thousand home improvement how to shows.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: There is nothing on technology. So I pitched it and
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: they liked it, and so, you know, that was like
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: two years ago. And since that time, the New York
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: Times pulled out of that joint venture, and my show
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: got kicked around from one channel to another to another,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: and the director was fired and it's it's like typical
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: TV business. But it finally, you know, just on the
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: basis of the idea and what we shot, it survived
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: and that it started airing this very weekend. And it's
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: pretty funny, it is, and you kind.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Of bring your brand of humor to the show, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you know, you have fun with it. Do you find
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that that when the people are putting this together and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: producing it and everything. Are they telling you, well, David,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: we need to dumb it down a little, or we
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: need to make it a little more palpable for the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: end usual they're just saying, just go for it.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, that really was an issue that the
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: production company, who was great. They always always exceeded to
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: what I was asking for. They always agreed, but they
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: didn't always understand what I was asking for or why
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like in terms of time,
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: they would you know, cut some what looked like irrelevant
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: steps and I would say, guys, guys, you cannot do that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: Or one thing that troubled us early on was just
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: this whole idea of how do you film things happening
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: on the computer screen without boring everybody silly? Everybody's really
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: worried about that. But yeah, you know, no one would
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: ever tolerate watching a computer screen on TV. And I'm like, no,
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: that's not a worry. You know, if if they know
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: that the goal is, you know, producing your own hardbound
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: book of photos, they're gonna want to see how you
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: do it. You know. So in the end, we actually
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: sat down and we filmed the screen and it was
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: totally fine because it's just brief shot shots.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Well, you know it's not and it's not a half
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: an hour of just that you kind of cover everything
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and how technology applies to the user, that that makes
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: them feel sometimes a little scared when they go into
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the retail big box stores.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: Well, exactly what Discovery wanted was sort of we did
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: a pilot that was scripted. It had actors, and yeah,
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: it was it was quite a I mean, it was
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: very very goofy. It was much more like my Times
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: web videos. But they said, correctly, as it turned out,
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: that I was when I was saying prepared words, that
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: I was much differ and less less relaxed than when
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: I'm ad living. So they suggested that when we do
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: the Real Show, that we not have scripts, that we
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: were allowed to do reality bits like, you know, we
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: go out on the street and set up a fake
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: booth and ask people to complain about their digital cameras
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: and then we will suggest ways around the problems shutter
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: lag and low light and so on. So we did.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: We do a lot of that. We do break out
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: of the studio, but again it's never scripted, it's never canned,
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: it's it's all just reality.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And if, hopefully, if you can get people to make
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: better looking YouTube videos rather than shooting everything with their
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: cell cams, that would be great.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: That's the goal.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: That's you cover what cam quorders, you cover cell phones?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: What are some of the other technologies you're looking at
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: on the show.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, the first season is just six episodes. It's
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: all very experimental. So this weekend they air in pairs, right,
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: so they're always shown back to back two shows, So
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: all this weekend you're going to see digital cam cameras
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: and cell phones, and both of those are really good ones.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: And then we also have a traveling with laptops episode that's,
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: you know, working through all the different ways to get
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: online and stuff like that. There's one just on on
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: iPods and their rivals where we go into all the
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: tips and tricks nobody knows about that. There's one on
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: cam quarters and video editing in YouTube, right, and then
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: there's one really weird one that I think is going
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: to hit a lot of people where they live. It's
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: just about rescuing old formats, so old film reels, floppy discs, slides,
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: you know, how to get all that stuff into digital
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: form and preserve them for the future.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: A lot of people, you know, the eight millimeter films
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: or even the VHS video which has what a shelf
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: life of like I said, twelve years fifteen.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: Shell life of milk Man. We really knocked ourselves out
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: on that one. Like it turns out for films, you
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: don't have a lot of do it yourself option. They
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: don't even make those mirror boxes anymore where you shine
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: the projector into one side of this prism and it
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: bounces out into your camquorder on the other side. But
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: we found one on eBay and we set it up
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: on the show and we tried it and it kind
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: of works. But the problem is that film incs disappear
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: at different rates, right, so the red is the last
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: to go, which is why most people's old eight millimeter
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: films look like they were all shot on Mars. You
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: can do that at home, or what a lot of
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: people do is they just projected onto a screen and
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: then film the screen with their camquorder and you have
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: the same problem. You don't get any color correction or cleanup.
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: And then there's drug stores and department stores that offer
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: transfer services, but again they're basically just doing what we described.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: So if you really want it to done, write, you
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: send it away to a lab that specializes in this stuff.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: And it's amazing. We went behind the scenes at one
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: of these places and looked at the machines that they used.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: It's like imagine seven side by side sub zero refrigerators.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: That's that's the equipment they use. Oh wow, massive stuff.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: And they color correct scenes. You know, they can set
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: different color correction points within a single shot, and then
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: when they replay it, the computer automates those gradual shifts,
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: so even if it gets blurry or flashing or or
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: pulsing colors or whatever, they can correct that. And when
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: it comes out, man, it looks it's astounding.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: That's I want to see that because I've got tons
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: of that super eat stuff.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well it costs a lot, but it's really amazing.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't, yeah exactly. Now iPods too, that's something
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people and we're hearing a lot
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: about the iPhone, which is coming out the next one.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to take a look at
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that yet?
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: I have. Indeed, in fact, I think I'm the only
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: one outside of Apple to spend any significant amount of
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: time with the iPhone. I had an hour with it
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: at the at the Macworld expit, I mean, in the
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: presence of Steve Jobs and Phil Schiller. Yeah, but I
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: made calls and I tried all the features, and it's
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: it's quite a revolutionary machine. It's I'm not convinced that
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: it's going to be a great cell phone just because
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: there's no there's no keys to press, and sending text
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: messages is sort of a pain.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Without without keys.
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, without keys, although it does have you know, on
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: screen keys and word prediction software that works really well,
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: So it's not going to be horrible. It just requires
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: a real shift in your mind. But the other two
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: aspects of it, the iPod and the web surfing, you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: the internet terminal aspect of it, are are unbelievable. You
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: have never had such a good experience with either of
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: those two things in your hand, because those are things
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: that lend themselves really well to the giant, all screen
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: nature of this thing. It has no buttons, so the
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: entire screen is your web page, and the whole web
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: page fits on it. So when you see a headline
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: or something where looking at you, you do that thing
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: that he showed where you put your two fingers thumb
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: and four finger on the screen and stretch them apart
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: like you you're unpinching, and it expands like it's on
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: a piece of latex until you can read it. It's
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: really neat.
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Are you familiar with a palm blazer as far
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: as internet access?
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, sure?
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: And how was it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: Compared to that, because I've got a bunch of palms.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Compared to the iPhone, the palm Blazer or the BlackBerry's
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: browser is like looking at the web through a keyhole.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's a teeny little screen. You know, it's square,
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: It's just it's nowhere. You don't see the layout. It's
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: not anything the same experience.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, you know that's kind of the cool thing
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: about the show. Now you've done six episodes, and we
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: have to remember Heroes only started with six episodes.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: Hey, that's actually really encouraging.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: This could be the next big thing. You know, seriously,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I could certainly see this expanding. Do you see the
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: need and the coverage ability for for more products?
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah? We have a list of actually we made up
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: a list of what came out to like seventy ideas,
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: and they, you know, they've already told us that if
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: the things go well and they order a second season,
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: it would be I believe twenty more episodes.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: But the funny thing about this TV thing, I mean,
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: I've done a lot of TV. I won an my
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: first CBS News, but I've never had a series before.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: And it's a it's a wacky world, man. And for example,
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: you know what the ratings are determined by is these
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: families who have a Nielsen box installed in their in
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: their entertainment system. So I try to tell people, yeah,
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: I hope you watch the show, but especially if you
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: have a Nielsen box because nobody else matters that. It
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: is frustrating to me. Yeah, basically, you don't count unless
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: you have a Nielsen box and then you represent seventy
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: five thousand household.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: You know. That's why I've always wondered. Because I do
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: a TV segment on Tuesdays. It's on before six am,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: so it's not a it's an unrated day part. Oh man,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: you want to hear something real funny.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: A guy I work with, his mother's like ninety some
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: years old, just got a diary.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Oh look at that. That's funny.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Will she be representative?
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: If I pay her one hundred bucks, will she watched
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: my show.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: We need a campaign, David, pub will pay you one
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars to watch you show. It's all banked to me,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna call it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: That's actually a great idea, man. I'll be the first
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: person to like use web two point oh to further
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: my perfect career.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: That is perfect. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing more
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: episodes of this as well as reading more books. What
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: have you got in the works right now?
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: Well, the next one that I'm starting right now is
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: iPhone the Missing Manual of course yeap, And and then
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: this fall I'll be doing macOS ten Leopard the Missing Manual.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: That's the next one. And I just finished the Windows
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: Vista the Missing Manual, which came out in January.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Phenomenal book too.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I got to tell you, David, you actually say
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: your you and your book saved my hide a few
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: weeks ago. Because I don't own a copy of Vista,
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: I want to get it free. Okay, So I got
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: and I do some some subcontracting. I got called out
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: to work on a Vista machine. Had never actually seen
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: the interface before.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: But he's making me feel bad now.
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: But no, I read David's book cover to cover first
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: and it beautiful.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: I learned how to do flip three D.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: So thank you David, very wise. Thank you, and that book.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Is available now.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Listeners should get that, especially if they're you know, first
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: time users a Vesta or even people who feel that
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: they've you know, really it could be experts at it.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Your book really will help a lot of people out there.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: And thank you. And your one hundred dollars check is
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: on it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: That's right, and Andy will be sending that.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Andy and David, we want to get more information about
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the show. Oh, is there a website address?
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there is. It's Discovery dot com slash geek as
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: in it's all geek to me.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Very cool.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Great talking to me again and hopefully we'll talk soon.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: Thanks a lot man, All right, take care.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: That was David Pogue on Tech Talk Radio and standing
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: by Like David Pogue who's written books, columns, another gentleman
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: who has inspired many in the world of tech and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: has been a big week for twit tvy. I've seen
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the stories about twit TV. We had the opportunity to
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: have Leo Laporte on the show and Leo standing by
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: in an archived interview.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Now back to Tip Talk Radio.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Tech Talk Radio has been on the air since nineteen
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: ninety six and we've been talking about technology for a
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: long time. And thanks to Bill Grace, we were podcasting
• 44:43
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• 44:47
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• 44:50
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• 44:53
  Speaker 1: markets syndicated as well. But what's really really cool is
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: we've had the opportunity over the years to talk to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: some of those that are in this same line of work.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Kim Commando has been on this show course, of course,
• 45:04
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• 45:07
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• 45:09
  Speaker 1: him before. And then of course Leo Laporte. Leo of
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: course some big news this past week with twit TV.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Either way, we wanted to share with you this archived
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: interview with Leo Laporte on Tech Talk Radio. I'll tell
• 45:22
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• 45:24
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• 45:27
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• 45:30
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• 45:33
  Speaker 1: one day getting Leo Laporte on the show. Leo, thanks
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: for being on.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Well you didn't have to hold that. I'll bite the
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: head off a bird tree anytime. Leo.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: It's great to talk to you.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you something. When we first started
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: doing this show years ago in Palm Springs, California, I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: used to tweak my radio so I could pick you
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: up from San Francisco and listen. And I love your style.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I love your show. Kind of great information. Tell us
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit about you've been busy with tech TV
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and putting together some books to help consumers and people
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: getting into this stuff out. Tell us about this new
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: book you've got.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the latest book. You know, tech TV. You've got
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: a whole imprint we do with Q So there's about
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: a half dozen books and videotapes all available on Amazon
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: dot com. So if you do a search for tech TV,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: you'll find us. And my book is called Poor Leo's
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: two thousand and two Computer Almanac became We've sold quite
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: a few. I think we're up to thirty five thousand coffees,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: which is pretty good for a computer book. Excellent, and
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: it's qualified it as a bestseller. But it's been a
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: lot of fun. You know, we kind of wrote it
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: as a lark. I kind of wrote as a lark,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: compiling a lot of stuff that we've done on the
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: TV show. And I never expected it to be this huge,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: but people seem to really like it. In fact, we're
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: already at work on the two thousand and three edition.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Now is what is the book entail? What are people
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: going to find a book?
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know about you. Maybe you like
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: to read computer books? Yeah, you know, for me it's
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: only if I'm having trouble sleeping. They tend to be
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: a little bit long and turgid, and you know, only
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: somewhat better than computer manuals, which are probably the worst
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: thing you could read. And I wanted to do a
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: computer book. It's same thing for by the way, for
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: the radio show that I did, and for the TV
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: shows I do. Now I want to do something that
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: was different, that was something I would want to read.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: And so I thought, well, what is it that I
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: what is it that bugs hit me about computer books?
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: And that's just it's it's too long, right, So I
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: decided to do a computer book. You could read a
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: page at a time in short little bursts and each
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: each paragraph would have something in it that you would go, oh,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: wait a minute, let me put that down. I want
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: to try that out. I want to I use that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: That's kind of how we do the show, and it's
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: how the book turned out. It's really just a collection
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: of tips and suggestions and ideas, and it's not intended
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: to be read cover to cover. It's really intended to
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: be picked up and browsed. And I think that's more fun.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it just seems to me that's the
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: better way to read a computer.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Usually one of those things that you would pick up
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: when when maybe you've come to an issue that you're
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: If not design for that, there are plenty of reference
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: books where you say, oh, I'm having trouble, let me
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: go get that word two thousand Bible and look it up,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: and you could do that. We have a good index,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: and we have a good table of contents. But really
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: it's not designed for that. It's designed to be entertaining
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: and fun and something that you would read just for
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: the fun of it, but then you would pick up
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: some great tips. It's not so much a troubleshooting manual
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: as a manual book. To give you ideas about things
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: you can do with your computer.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Is it difficult, Leo to put together a book with
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: everything changing so dramatically?
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: It is? Yeah. I mean, I think that's one of
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: the reasons computer books are especially tough. You know, I'm
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: used to TV, you're used to radio, where there is
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: no lead time. You can cover the story today. It happens.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: I do a live hour and a half a daily
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: television show, So if there's a story today, we cover
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: it today. In the book, you're writing a book, I'm
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: writing the book now that will come out in the fall,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: so there is definitely, you know that, that issue of
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: lead time. So I try not to cover stuff. I
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: try to cover stuff that's going to it's going to
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: be around a year from now.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: What about for the Macintosh user where they benefit from there.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Lots of MAX stuff. I'm a big Mac fan, so
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I really make sure there's a lot of MAX stuff.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: It's basically Windows, Mac, and Linux all three covered. You know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: probably more Windows than anything else since they're more Windows
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: users out there. But I think even Windows users can
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: learn a thing or two about how to do things,
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: especially now with the OS ten, the latest Mac operating system,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: which is basically Unix.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I'm stay for Rhapsody.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: This is raptody baby with the program.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: It took me a long time to learn how to
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: use that OS ten, but once I learn how to
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: use it, I really liked it.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: And the nice thing that OS ten the reason I
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people are turning to it. Actually,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: I think Matt Apple's done a really good job to
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: woo away Windows users is not only do you have
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: this guy on top that's very easy to use it
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: old you know, all longtime Mac users will be relatively
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: comfortable with. It's still a departure, but it'll be pretty painless.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: Under the hood is a real full blown VSD Unix,
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: which means that a hardcore computer hacker like me is
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: just to find just whole new world under the hood
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: of things to do. You know. It comes with the patchy,
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: the web server, It comes with Pearl. You know, it's
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: really remarkable what's underneath there.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: And that's without having to buy other packages like you
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: would have to do with other OA.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Absolutely comes with it. And of course there's a world
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: of free software available for Unix, just as there is
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: for Linux. We'vea like a lot of Linux programs run
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: and I've been you know, for instance, first thing I
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: is put X Windows on there, so I could run
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: X applications and I'm able to run seamlessly OS nine,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: OS ten and X applications in the same session. And
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: that's pretty remarkable. So, I mean, I know most people
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: still use Windows and Windows XP is a really big
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: improvement from Microsoft. But I think Apple is getting a
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: lot of attention for OS ten from people who might
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: not have paid any attention before.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Now the source of like OS ten, isn't it called
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: They called it Darwin or something like that.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Here's how OS ten is, as with all operating systems,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: as a series of layers. The very bottom most layer
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: is what they call the kernel, which is the true
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: operating system. In Windows, it's Win thirty two. In Linux,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: it's the actual Linux kernel, and they use something called
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: the mock kernel, which is a kernel that's been around
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: for some time, has developed a Carnegie Mellon University is
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: an open source standard Unix kernel. On top of that,
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: they put the BSD layer, which is the Berkeley System
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Distribution is true Unix. It's you know, if use free BSD,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: NetBSD or open BSD, you'll say, oh, I recognize this.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: It's a true Unix layer. That's what they call Darwin.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: That is also open source, and it will run. It's
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: very easy to run a lot of open source applications.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: I use a program called Fink that allows me to
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: download and install open all kinds of Unix applications. Then
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: on top of that is what we think of as
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: the Mac layer, the really proprietary layer let Apple owns
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: out right. That's the guy they call, you know, that's
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: the Aqua interface.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I was just announced, I believe yesterday, day before yesterday,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: that Microsoft, although their contract with Apple is going to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: be running out, that it looks like they're still going
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to be running or creating apps for Apple.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Don't forget that Microsoft is the number one developer for
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: the Mac platform, Microsoft Office outsel of every other application,
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: and so it's a huge business for Microsoft. They're not crazy.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: They put the contract, you know, five years ago, and
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: I remember when Steve Jobs announced this, how he got booed.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: Microsoft said were gonna put one hundred million dollars into
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: Apple and make a commitment to continue to develop for
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: five years for them. Yeah, well that five years is
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: running out in August. Doesn't mean Microsoft's going away by
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: any means, although I got to tell you at this point,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: I don't think it matters quite as much because os
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: ten has that Unix layer underneath. There's a whole ton
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: of software you can run that is a whole Microsoft
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: to be much missed.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: There's a whole ton of communities out there that would
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: like to create for it as well.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yeah, I don't know about you, guys. What are
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: you getting a sense? People are starting to get a
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: little bit tired of Microsoft.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I think that started to happen a couple of years ago,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: especially when Windows ME came out, all the hype around that.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: That was horrible. Well that was you know, That's when
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people's eyes were opened to
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: key Microsoft's in it for the money because after all,
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Emmy really didn't do anything except get extract one hundred
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: bucks your wallet.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Before they came out with the real upgrade, which is
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Windows XP.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Quick question on the book, it does it deal for
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: people who want to get in and play around.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: With the hardware on the systems.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: We don't do so much on the hardware. There is
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: we Tech TV has some other very good hardware books
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: and pat Norton and I did a great series of
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: videos at one on troubleshooting hardware and another one on
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: building your own computer. The book cover is mostly software. Mostly,
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: it's mostly designed at you know, novice, intermediate end users
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: who are probably not going to get under the hood
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: at overclock. More likely they want to know how, you know,
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: the five keystrokes that'll make word much easier to use,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: the magic Windows key, and what it can do things
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Once again, it's poor Leo's Computer Almanac, two thousand and two,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: we look forward to two thousand and three. They can
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: find this pretty much anywhere, right Leo.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you can, of course, you can always go
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: to Amazon dot com. But Barnes and Noble carries it
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: and should have it in Tucson. And you know, the
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: good news is this book it took everybody by surprise.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: We're in at six or seventh printing, and the bookstores
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: are really excited about it now, so the net. We
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: already have advance orders for the next edition of I
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: think in excess to thirty five thousand copies. We're gonna
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: have a first press run of fifty foe wow. So there.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: So it may be it was hard to find because
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: the bookstore didn't know that this was going to be
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: so popular, and so it may still be hard to find.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: Amazon has quite a few copies. You can always go there.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Excellent Lel lapard Man.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: It's great to have you on.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Hope you get you on.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Again to talk a little more about technic I as.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: Well, come on any time you want. I love doing radio.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: I miss radio a lot.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: We did it so well and continue to do TV
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: fantastic too.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: Well. I enjoy the TV because I can show people
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: stuff and that's kind of meat, that is cool pictures.
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: Well, I enjoy your show.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you all the time, Leaks, talk to you.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks again, We'll talk to you again, all righty.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And of course Justin was a part of our show
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: way back then as well, before he went off to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: join the Navy. Of course he's back hopefully bea US
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: next week. Stand by, We've got more of tech Talk
• 55:02
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• 55:05
  Speaker 3: And now fact to tech Talk Radio.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: If you've ever had a drive that has taken a surge,
• 55:11
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• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and some of the older ones can this can take
• 55:18
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• 55:20
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• 55:23
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• 55:26
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• 55:29
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• 55:32
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• 55:34
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• 55:43
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• 55:45
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• 55:46
  Speaker 9: Sure, what we do is basically provide replacement circuit boards
• 55:50
  Speaker 9: for your hard drive. So maybe your hard drive had
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: a power surge or something and the circuit board is broken.
• 55:56
  Speaker 9: Instead of sending it out to somebody else to do it,
• 55:59
  Speaker 9: we can replace the circuit board for you and all
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: you need to do is basically just unscrew the old
• 56:04
  Speaker 9: circuit board and put on a new one.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Now this for many years what people used to say
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: is Okay, well you know you can. You could You
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: could basically ditch the drive and throw it away, or
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: if it if it was suddenly not powering up, or
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you could buy a replacement hard drive. Uh, and then
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: change out the boards, but that can be very pricey,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: especially with today's two and three terabyted sizes. People find
• 56:31
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• 56:34
  Speaker 1: maybe they don't want to use anymore, that they can
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: throw it up on eBay for a couple hundred three
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars and sell the board. But then again it's
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: not always a match, right.
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: So actually that's a great, great question. So it used
• 56:47
  Speaker 9: to be where you could just directly slop the board
• 56:49
  Speaker 9: from drive to drive, but with a lot of new
• 56:52
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• 56:55
  Speaker 9: are so big and so precise. All the circuit boards
• 56:59
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• 57:02
  Speaker 9: So for Sgate anything after basically anything that's above one parabisee,
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: all those drives, you can't slop the SOACA board at
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: all directly. You actually have to do what's called a
• 57:12
  Speaker 9: firmware transfer, where you basically move a chip from the
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: old board to the new board. And without doing the step,
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: there's no way it's going to work, right, So what
• 57:21
  Speaker 9: we do is we provide the service for the customer. Basically,
• 57:24
  Speaker 9: the customer sends the old board to us. We handle
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: all the technical stuff and we send back a board
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: that they can just plug onto their hard drive.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: So really all they have to do is find that
• 57:33
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• 57:36
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• 57:40
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• 57:43
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• 57:46
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• 57:50
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• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it's powered up. You have to tell people this. But
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: then but then they can just you know, go ahead
• 57:59
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• 58:02
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• 58:05
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• 58:07
  Speaker 9: Yep, actually you don't have to try that hard to
• 58:09
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• 58:11
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• 58:13
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• 58:18
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• 58:20
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• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Now, if our listeners are out there, I have had
• 58:24
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• 58:26
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• 58:30
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• 58:32
  Speaker 1: but it just the drive is not identified. Could it
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: sometimes be just the power connector that's inside that external
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: that goes out? And if it's out of warranty, is
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: the best solution to go ahead and pretty much open
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: that up and pull that drive out of there?
• 58:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely, that's a great question. So basically, if if
• 58:51
  Speaker 9: it's an external drive, the first step is you should
• 58:54
  Speaker 9: take it to take it out. And if you have
• 58:56
  Speaker 9: a desktop drive, sorry, if you have a deaths compute,
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: you can just try that drive as a as a
• 59:03
  Speaker 9: as a say the internal drive in your computer like
• 59:06
  Speaker 9: as a slave as a slave drive.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:08
  Speaker 9: That way, you can bypass any problems with positive problems
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: with the enclosure or the power adapter, a USB cable
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: or anything like that. But the risk there though is
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: if it's shorted, if the hard drive itself is short,
• 59:19
  Speaker 9: you might be doing some damage to your computer itself exactly.
• 59:23
  Speaker 9: So if you if you at least have like maybe
• 59:25
  Speaker 9: like a dogging station or anything, you can try it
• 59:27
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• 59:28
  Speaker 1: You still gotta be careful with that because actually I
• 59:31
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• 59:33
  Speaker 1: just sent you a drive that had they had taken
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: a We knew it had taken a power hit, and
• 59:39
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• 59:43
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• 59:45
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• 59:48
  Speaker 1: We took the panel off, We turned it upside down
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and it looked like somebody had boiled macaroni and cheese
• 59:53
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• 59:57
  Speaker 1: a drive like that even with that plate? Can that
• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, no problem. So we get some board that looks
• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:11
  Speaker 9: need one chip on the board to be okay. That
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: chip is pretty much okay n of the time.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: So the process is then they send you the board,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: you do the firmware chip change out, and then you
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: can the customer can elect to have the board send
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: back to them or just you know, traffic because it's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: not going to be good anymore. You send that back
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: to them and then they just put it back on
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: and hook it up.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah that's it.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty good. And the thing is the cost
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: is so much better than having to find a drive
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: of the same type of size, and again that doesn't
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: always work with these larger sized drives. Is it generally
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: going to be around the thirty nine to fifty nine
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: dollars range? And does it sometimes vary?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: It's pretty much all that thirty So if it doesn't
• 1:00:57
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• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: board to you directly. For all their drives pretty much
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  Speaker 9: always thirty nine dollars and if it's a driver requires
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  Speaker 9: a format transfer or to drop out, the tip for
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  Speaker 9: you or the cause is always forty nine dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Very cool. Now our listeners can find you obviously, you've
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  Speaker 1: got a really great store. And what I love about
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  Speaker 1: it one hundred percent, uh, you know, satisfaction. People who
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  Speaker 1: use your service are very happy because usually it usually
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  Speaker 1: will work right out of the box. We've had used
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  Speaker 1: your service in the past, again, been very happy with it.
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  Speaker 1: If they want to find you, obviously on eBay, but
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  Speaker 1: can they go to a website? Is there also a
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  Speaker 1: website they can go to?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so our eBay and website names are both just
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  Speaker 9: PCB Solutions. So the eBay user name is PCB solution
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  Speaker 9: and the website is pcbsolution dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Now, are you generally seeing drives of about you know
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  Speaker 1: where people have used these drives for years and suddenly
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  Speaker 1: they've took a power surge and they stopped maybe in
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  Speaker 1: the two hundred megabyte to about the maybe one hundred
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  Speaker 1: two hundred gigabyte range. Are you starting to see some
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  Speaker 1: of these larger drives come in, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Pretty much. Or our drives now are the newer ones, uh,
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  Speaker 9: the one terrorbyte, two terabytes five piebi drives Now, I
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  Speaker 9: guess we don't really seen much of the older one
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  Speaker 9: hundred by drives anymore right now?
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  Speaker 1: For drive repair when usually if they've got to drive
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  Speaker 1: under warranty, they have to make a pretty big decision
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  Speaker 1: at that point because if the drive is under warranty
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  Speaker 1: and they send it in, generally the data that's on it,
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to have that recovered.
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  Speaker 9: Correct if they send it into the manufacturer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they if they have to send it to the
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  Speaker 1: manucover you, yeah, all they will generally do is just
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and just send you a replacement drive if
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  Speaker 1: it's a warranty, but that your data is gone. This
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  Speaker 1: is a way that if somebody has data and they
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  Speaker 1: need that data, but they don't want to lose it,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's under warranty. This can be a viable
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  Speaker 1: solution and again not that expensive, right.
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  Speaker 9: And if there's under warrantied, they can usually contact the
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  Speaker 9: manufacturer and ask them if it's okay to that to
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  Speaker 9: recovery on the drive. Oh cool, Usually will as you'd
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  Speaker 9: do some better recovery and still honor warranty.
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  Speaker 1: Very cool. And how long does this process take, Kevin,
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  Speaker 1: for somebody to send you the drive and then for
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  Speaker 1: them to get the drive, the board, not the drive,
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  Speaker 1: the PCB board, and then get that back.
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  Speaker 9: So basically opened a pickup location in the States recently.
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  Speaker 9: So for somebody in the States to send the board
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  Speaker 9: to us with the USPS, it only takes two to
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  Speaker 9: three days to get to us. From there, it takes
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  Speaker 9: one day to do the transfer, and we send it
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  Speaker 9: back to you from Canada. From here to America it
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  Speaker 9: takes around one week.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's not bad. And I think once people get
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  Speaker 1: their boards back and they get them put in and
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  Speaker 1: suddenly there's their data, that's certainly a great trade off.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the number one the service
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  Speaker 1: you do. But thanks for coming on the show and
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  Speaker 1: telling us a little bit about it, and again give
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  Speaker 1: us that website address so our listeners can go check
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  Speaker 1: it out right now.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, pcbsolution dot com, pcbsolution dot com, you got all
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  Speaker 9: the info there and there's even a good frequently asked
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  Speaker 9: questions section.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin, best of luck to you, continued success and you
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  Speaker 1: know maybe sometimes the future will have you on the
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  Speaker 1: show again and again. I've used their service and it
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  Speaker 1: worked for us, so I definitely recommend checking them out.
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  Speaker 1: Some good people and again can save you a ton
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  Speaker 1: of money and some headaches as well. So I want
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, have a great week. We'll all be
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  Speaker 1: back for you next week with a brand new show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Andy Taylor. Take care