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Christian Athletes & No-Nonsense Parenting In Youth Sports · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

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SPEAKER_00: Alright, what's up, people?
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to PTR Pastor Rock, Real Talk, where we talk about faith, basketball, culture, obviously Jesus, and how to integrate him into our life every day.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm Lawrence.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll be with my boy B D Aka Brian Daly.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
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SPEAKER_00: What up, boy?
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SPEAKER_01: L dub.
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SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
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SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
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SPEAKER_01: Coach L.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach L now.
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SPEAKER_01: No more L dub.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach L.
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SPEAKER_00: Assistant coach.
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SPEAKER_00: But you know, the coach asked me, hey Lawrence, do you have any experience coaching?
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, hey man, three-time YMCA champion, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, so the three is good.
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SPEAKER_01: I I can't.
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SPEAKER_01: You got a three Pete with the Y.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to hear some of your coaching stories, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly, man.
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SPEAKER_00: First and second grade.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
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SPEAKER_00: We dominated.
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SPEAKER_00: So, but real quick, um, tell me about the t-shirt.
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SPEAKER_00: I just caught me.
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SPEAKER_00: What's the story on that right there, real quick?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll stand up a little bit.
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SPEAKER_01: So, this is uh picture of Mount Arbel, and that's the site of the Great Commission and Matthew 28.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's what's up.
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SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the meaning.
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SPEAKER_00: The actual location they believe, huh?
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SPEAKER_00: That's dope.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: So back in the day, uh, we had a Bible tour there, and the way that our tour leader did it, I'd love to get him on here actually.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but he would take us and not tell us until we got to the location.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's cool.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's actually up on a mountain.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and in the Bible it says, uh, tell the disciples to meet me at the mountain in the Galilee.
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SPEAKER_01: And so this is like the mountain, it's the prominent one, and it has some historical tradition and story.
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SPEAKER_01: So they think it was here, and then when you go up to the top of the mountain, you have to climb it.
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SPEAKER_01: You can drive it too, but you climb it, and then you can look out over all nations.
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SPEAKER_01: So it kind of brings a great commission to life on going, you know, therefore, to all nations and baptizing them.
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SPEAKER_00: So Jesus was the master storyteller, master storyteller.
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SPEAKER_00: So, quick question.
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SPEAKER_00: So, um, for those that don't know, all right, back up a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell you a quick story of how I bonded with Brian pretty quick.
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SPEAKER_00: My first time I meet him, I pick him up, we're at Mizzou.
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SPEAKER_00: He was like, hey, here's the guy that's made the basketball team.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, oh okay, cool.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a tall Caucasian guy.
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SPEAKER_00: I grew up in Japan on a military base, but I love hip hop, but I was scared to play hip-hop because I was like, I don't, all right, I'm a Christian, I love God, but I don't know if Brian's a you know, black and white, I follow all the rules, type of guy where I can't play something urban or you know, culture.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was like, in my heart, I'm like, man, I don't want to ask because uh, but I was like, whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, hey man, you do you mind if I play some Tupac or play some music?
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SPEAKER_00: And then Brian right away was like, yeah, I like and then we just I remember we just hit it off like oh thank god he loves hip hop.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: So my question to you, man, what you been bumping lately lately, man?
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SPEAKER_00: I know you always got something on the week or something you've been listening to.
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SPEAKER_00: So what's been on the tracks?
3:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's so funny.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're in our 40s now, so you I listen to music a little differently.
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SPEAKER_01: I think I'm more picky about what I listen to.
3:09
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I try to listen to stuff that'll fill me up.
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SPEAKER_01: And I don't always look at the artist, but I have um two songs off the music inspired by the chosen series.
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SPEAKER_01: And there's two artists or two songs I've been listening to.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, one is like Open Up the Well or something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so I've been listening to that.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh and then uh this morning I had some Johnny Cash Ain't No Grave.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's you know, always has some Johnny on there.
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SPEAKER_01: And then uh man, I had a I had a Q-tip album playing.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, throwback Q tip, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: He put out an album, and this is like After Tribe, After Everything, and it's you know, it's pretty clean and stuff, but I love Q Tip's production.
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SPEAKER_01: Me too.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, so I had some Q-tip playing.
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SPEAKER_00: So matter of fact, I heard Q Tip playing this week.
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SPEAKER_00: Someone playing Let It Ride, Let Me Ride, something like that, or yeah, it was like a solo production cell.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that might have been it right there.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's cool, man.
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SPEAKER_00: It's cool that you've been bumping some some music, man.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: So how about you, bro?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, real quick story.
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SPEAKER_00: So I there's a brother in our church, he's a surgeon, and so he couldn't make it to church.
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SPEAKER_00: So I told him, Hey man, if you need me to do communion, call me, I'll do communion for you.
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SPEAKER_00: So I meet him at the hospital, he's doing communion.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's got his work phone, he calls it the trap phone, and okay, so because you know it's his work phone, yeah, yeah, yeah.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: Dude, his his uh ring tone is jeezy's all there.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh man, I was like, bro, so we start dying laughing.
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SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, this week I've been listening to all there.
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SPEAKER_00: That's just been like, you know, throw on some jeezy, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Throw on some jeezy this week, man.
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SPEAKER_01: So let's go, man.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh love it all right, cool.
4:58
SPEAKER_00: So, hey guys, thanks for uh joining us, whoever's jumping in.
5:01
SPEAKER_00: You know, Brian and I love to just have a good conversation.
5:03
SPEAKER_00: So this month, you know, usually everyone's focused on family, which we love.
5:07
SPEAKER_00: Man, have a phenomenal Thanksgiving, and Christmas is around a corner, the best time of the year, in my opinion.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
5:13
SPEAKER_00: So there's gonna be a lot of messages and thoughts about Thanksgiving and good relationships and so nice stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: So man, I told Brian, listen, I want to come at it at a different angle, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we're going with no nonsense November.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's gonna be three parts.
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SPEAKER_00: The first part is okay, parents.
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SPEAKER_00: What is some no-nonsense stuff with sports and spirituality?
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SPEAKER_00: Part two would be coaches.
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SPEAKER_00: What's some no-nonsense stuff, you know, that maybe in November you stop doing.
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SPEAKER_00: And then obviously we got in with the players on the third.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we'll do no nonsense with players.
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SPEAKER_00: And so so, yeah, so we're gonna start off with parents.
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SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: Especially because basketball season's starting.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So BD, coach B.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
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SPEAKER_00: What are some of the worst things parents can do to their kid after a game?
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SPEAKER_01: Man, so um, you know, one of my my coach and mentors, Bruce Brown, he always talked about the toughest time for a kid playing youth sports is the car ride home.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, usually the car ride home is tense or uh you're getting coached or you're angry, and um the talks can be difficult.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I think on the other end of that, it would be parents start by number one being your your kid's biggest fan.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, you're the number one, you're the president of your kids' fan club.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh you're cheering for everyone on the team, of course.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh it's you gotta do that, cheer for everyone on the team, but for your kid that they know that you love them, you support them, you're a fan, you love watching them compete, you love watching them play.
6:48
SPEAKER_01: And I'm saying that because it's tough for me.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I've been a parent just parent at games, I've been a coach and a parent at games for my son and my daughter.
6:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I've been on the other side where you know uh we played and we have parents.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: So um I think that's the number one thing is uh be your kid's biggest fan.
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SPEAKER_01: Just tell them what you loved about watching them play.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: And um, and then the second thing is releasing your player to get coached.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so if you put your mind, if you put your mind in the mind of a player, you're getting coached by your head coach.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you're on L Dub's team, you got an assistant coach too.
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SPEAKER_01: So now you got two voices that'll be coaching you, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And then you're also trying to do what your teammates want, and then you have your your crowd, your parents on the side, and they're usually talking to, you know, shoot that, pass that, oh, see him, he's on, he's cutting, he's open.
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SPEAKER_01: And so if you're a player and you're trying to just listen to all these voices, you're just going crazy, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And ultimately you have to listen to one voice, and that's the head coach.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: And so the parent may not agree with the head coach, the assistant may not agree with the head coach, but the head coach is the one that's calling the shots.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh, El, I remember like this this idea of releasing your player to get coached, uh, goes all the way up.
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SPEAKER_01: Where if they're coming home and you're trying to tell them something other than what the coach wants them, now they're trying to please you, but they could please you and then not do what the coach wants.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's got to come back to what the coach wants.
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SPEAKER_01: And I remember coaching college, I'm at Mizzou.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a player, I'm I'm not gonna say his name, he's a big fella and he's local, and he had his fam in the front row.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know, a lot of people in the front row.
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SPEAKER_01: And every time they throw the ball into him, they're like, Go to work, go eat, big fella, go to work.
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SPEAKER_01: But it was like with the matchup and with who we had on the court, it was not the play, not for him to just ISO one-on-one.
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SPEAKER_01: So the first time he listened to them and he did and did not score.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I could hear, I could kind of hear the coaches like, he better not do that again.
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SPEAKER_01: Second time, he gets the ball.
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SPEAKER_01: Family's like, go eat, go eat, dah, dah, dah.
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SPEAKER_01: Turnover, does not score.
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SPEAKER_01: Sub, he's out.
8:56
SPEAKER_01: Wow, he's out, you know.
8:59
SPEAKER_01: So it's like you gotta choose the voice that your player is gonna listen to, and you don't want to compete with the coach's voice.
9:08
SPEAKER_01: So I'd say those would be the first two things being a player, having been a coach, being a parent.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: I would start with those.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: All right, no, love it.
9:16
SPEAKER_00: I wrote it down here because I definitely want to follow up, so I'll love that.
9:18
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about um yeah, being your kid's favorite fan, being the president for him.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: All right, so let's be honest, Brian.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: There is some men, women are more natural at it, being loving, affectionate, encouraging, but there's a lot of men that that's not natural, right?
9:39
SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: My first time, I love my dad, respect him, but the first time he told me he was proud of me, I was 26, you know.
9:45
SPEAKER_00: I was like, dang, I'm already out the house, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Like we know, so it didn't have an impact on me.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: So anyway, how does a father who has a hard time sharing those thoughts of I'm proud of you, man, good job?
10:01
SPEAKER_00: How can a dad do that if it's uncomfortable for him?
10:07
SPEAKER_01: I think um reflect on your playing experience and how it felt when someone you cared about encouraged you.
10:17
SPEAKER_01: And because I think here's the challenge, and here's the challenge for me too, is sometimes on the car ride, I want to go over, hey, on this plate you should have done this, on this plate you should have done this, and why don't you use your left here?
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SPEAKER_01: And and that could all be true, but it's almost like uh the the heart has to be ready to hear that, and so if they just got coached up or they just got chewed out or corrected or whatever by the coach, and then they get in the car and they're getting that too, it's almost like too much.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, and I've made mistakes on that before, and so um I think what it does is it allows your your kid, your player, to get encouraged by you to like kind of stop, they've already been coached up, and a lot of times they already know the mistake they made.
11:00
SPEAKER_01: Then at the right time, they'll ask for help if they trust you, and so that's the pattern I've seen.
11:08
SPEAKER_01: And maybe every kid's different, but when I'm like, hey, it might be one play, I love how you high-pointed that catch in football.
11:15
SPEAKER_01: I love how you did that, and then um I wait, and then maybe an hour goes by, and it's like, hey, what do you think I could do, you know, weight-wise to just get stronger or whatever?
11:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so it helps that dynamic because now I'm being asked to coach.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm being asked to help.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, and then I always try to I always try to verify what is coach, what does coach want you to do?
11:41
SPEAKER_01: Um you know, did you come out because of something coach wanted you to do, or did you stay in because you did something coach wants you to do?
11:49
SPEAKER_01: Like, why did you play the whole game?
11:51
SPEAKER_01: Those are questions I like to ask.
11:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I appreciate it, Brian, because basically for you, you play D1 professionally, you coach at a high level, so you know the game at a high level.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: So I'm sure you're like, oh boy, you can do this, do that.
12:03
SPEAKER_00: You know, there's so much you want to teach them.
12:05
SPEAKER_00: Bro, you said something really awesome that made me think it could be true, like you said, it could be true that hey, you should have done XYZ.
12:14
SPEAKER_00: And even what the parent thinks, that might be the right basketball play, but it's possibly because your timing and your relationship with your boy or your daughter is off, it could be the wrong thing to say.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and it could actually hurt the relationship, even though you're right and what you're saying is true.
12:34
SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: That's a whole it is, and I think the balance too of on the other side, if they kill it, and they they're like if they have a great game and everyone's praising them, then we get home.
12:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, do your chores.
12:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, yeah, you still got don't forget, you still got chores.
12:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh man, how you feel about your game?
13:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, you fired up.
13:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, okay.
13:03
SPEAKER_01: You know, then it then it might be the rooms open for some balance of like, hey, what do you think you could do better?
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I'm not hounding it, but I think there's a healthy balance too.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: So then when they're low, I want to build up.
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SPEAKER_01: When they're already built up, I want to keep it humble.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that, bro.
13:20
SPEAKER_00: So, okay, so there's both sides too.
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SPEAKER_00: When they did do well, but also when they did great, hey, keep them humble.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: I forgot it was Kevin Garnett or someone that's a pretty intense character.
13:28
SPEAKER_00: I love listening to Kevin Garnett.
13:30
SPEAKER_00: I remember they were talking about their mom still made them like, well, do the dishes.
13:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't give a bleep bleep bleep.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
13:35
SPEAKER_00: Like, go do the dishes.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: It was exactly.
13:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, I want you to pull uh extrapolate this as well.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
13:43
SPEAKER_00: You said, hey, if the kid didn't do well, and if they trust you, they'll ask you what could have done better.
13:53
SPEAKER_00: Can you talk more about why is that a trust factor and what why that they'll go to the parent for that?
14:03
SPEAKER_01: Man, so I've coached so many kids second grade, third grade, I mean, all the way up to to high school and college.
14:13
SPEAKER_01: I think the trust factor would be, okay, do they do they think that you can help them?
14:19
SPEAKER_01: Would be one, you know, they've got to believe that you can give some advice that would help.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: But then number two is like if if you have maybe unresolved conflict from that car ride home, or there's already there's already beef, you know, between you guys, already tension, um there they may not come to you because that's not dealt with.
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SPEAKER_01: So then it's kind of like, you know, like uh you were bumping Pac, me against the world, then they're walking around the house like, all right, my parents are against me, my dad's against me, the coach against me, me against the world, you know?
14:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's what I don't want.
14:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, and at the same time, I think it's good for them to see see other other dads and parents and how they deal um and see the reality of what's out there.
15:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, where like I showed a movie Friday Night Lights.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Have you seen that movie?
15:05
SPEAKER_00: Not yet.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Friday Nights, the dad is an alcoholic, former star state champ, and his son is not like his dad, and his dad just rips into him every game.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so it was good for my son to see, like, hey, there's some dads like that, you know, so they're not um if if a coach comes at him like that or or someone comes at him like that, they understand the full perspective that it could be like that too.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I and then I'll go to like examples.
15:37
SPEAKER_01: So my so that's what my dad taught me.
15:39
SPEAKER_01: My dad would uh find articles, cut them out, or get them off uh internet, and he'd cut he'd print them and then put them on the table for me to read.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: So one article I found was Christian McCaffrey, how he trains.
15:54
SPEAKER_01: And Christian McCaffrey's very disciplined in his training.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: And um, his dad was an NFL player and disciplined him and taught him.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: And so he said that when he gets feedback from coaches, he wants to cut through all the positive.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, What's a constructive?
16:10
SPEAKER_01: What do I need to work on?
16:13
SPEAKER_01: Right?
16:13
SPEAKER_01: And so I didn't say like you better do this.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: I said, like, okay, here's how he does it.
16:19
SPEAKER_01: Read about it, learn about it.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: Do you want to be more like that?
16:22
SPEAKER_01: You know, so um, I think getting positive examples that aren't us and aren't the parents and showing them that, exposing them that, I mean, like kind of sharing game with them.
16:32
SPEAKER_01: Like, here's some game.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Do you want to put this game into action?
16:36
SPEAKER_01: Do you want this?
16:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is good.
16:38
SPEAKER_01: So, having resources for our kids and positive examples for them to learn from.
16:42
SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: Bro, what's powerful?
16:44
SPEAKER_00: So, one, hey, can you help the kid?
16:46
SPEAKER_00: Two, if there's an unresolved conflict, obviously they're not gonna want to talk about the game, yeah, because there's something else still burned.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: And so I hear, like, hey, if as a parent, if you can find ways to really add value and find ways to reach them, your dad cutting out papers, so uh that's a way to help build trust.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, you really care about my development.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: You know what's funny about these themes here?
17:08
SPEAKER_00: It's it's all boils down to relationship, in my opinion.
17:11
SPEAKER_00: Sounds like it's got almost nothing to do with the X's and no's of footwork and how you're shooting the ball and how you you know, it's it's so much relationships.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, yeah.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: And from what we know about what inspired PTR, James Naismith, or why he even created the game of basketball is to win win souls to the master, right?
17:35
SPEAKER_00: To win souls to help people find God.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: That's the that's the nature of basketball.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: So it's not too far beyond the stretch to think even this component parents, there's things about your child that the game of basketball God can use to help you grow as a parent, yes, you know, spiritually, emotionally, mentally, to find ways to come to your kid.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: Because it's not just about sports or something bigger than just basketball.
18:05
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
18:05
SPEAKER_01: The and the last thing I'd say on that is one of those things, L, that can be taught is ownership.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: And so ownership would be like, okay, you're not playing as much as you want to.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: Does the parent reach out to the coach?
18:18
SPEAKER_01: And in my program, we have a rule that parents can communicate behavior, uh, health, um, you know, anything important besides playing time and strategy.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: So parents aren't allowed to do that in our program.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of coaches have that boundary.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: So then it's like, okay, to the player, if you're not happy with your playing time, ask the coach what you need to do.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: And then from the coach's standpoint, if I hear the player go, what can I do to get more minutes?
18:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm like, okay, you want to play more.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: But if I hear like, uh, what can I do to help my team more?
18:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
18:54
SPEAKER_01: Now that now I'm going, okay, he's thinking about the team, he wants to help the team.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: And the truth is, if you do what the coach wants, you will play more, and then you'll probably be able to do things you really want to do if you're doing what the coach wants.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: So um, sending your player to the coach to ask the coach, and then you're actually able to hold the coach accountable to what they say.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: I think that's important.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, I've done that a lot as a player, I've experienced a lot as a coach, and when it comes from the player, there's so much power in that ownership.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: You know, okay.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: I love that you have boundaries to the parents.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: So that was one.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: So let me come from a parent's perspective.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: So say if hey, I'm new to this team, I don't know the coach that much, but there's some things that he's doing that I don't agree with or don't understand.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: What are some things you would advise me as a parent of how to manage my relationship with the coach in that setting?
19:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, like what would be best practices?
19:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good question.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Now, if it's a strategy thing, I would ask my son or daughter.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: So if it's like, hey, why are we in a why are we in a press?
20:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, okay, uh, what does coach say?
20:05
SPEAKER_01: If it's a character thing, then I think there's uh room for communication on that.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, so like uh, or if it's a rule question or a parent, like if a kid misses practice before a game and that's why they don't play, and the kid didn't know the rule and the parent didn't know the rule, then like, hey, what happened?
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, you can clarify that.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: We have a rule on that.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, or but if it's like, yeah, or if it's a character thing, maybe with a coach or different players, I think that's open, open lines of communication, and it's more like questions to understand.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, that that's what I would do.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: I'd start by asking the kid first, and then if it seemed like a question outside of that, then communicate with the coach.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, question about strategy.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: I love that you said have the kids ask the kids because and then it helps the kid learn too.
20:56
SPEAKER_00: Hey, why do you guys run a press?
20:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Well boy, go for it.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: You need to learn, go for it.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: So it helps the kid to learn, and then you're right.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Anything other things, especially more rules, whatever.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Hey, there's nothing wrong with it.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: You're saying it's okay.
21:11
SPEAKER_00: Hey, talk to the coach, don't just sit on the sidelines complaining or grumbling, establish some form of communication.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yep, and quite questions can be really good, you know.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: If it's and I can tell, like on an email or a voicemail, if it's like, hey, I was just wondering, hmm, why, versus we shouldn't be doing this.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: Why-da-da-da-da-da-da.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: Then it's like, oh, you're you're way out of bounds.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: You know, I might not even email them back.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about those parents.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: I think I'm pretty good when I'm sitting on the stands.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe not.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: My kids know dad's gonna have his earphones in.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: It might be reading or, you know, taking notes on what I'm reading, but I'm watching the game too.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: Because sometimes I get so upset when I hear certain parents.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: I try to give advice, it drives me crazy.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: So my solution is hey, let me just tune them out.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I get overly competitive about my kids.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: So I hope what they could do better.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: So anyway, I found my ways of how to stay present, trusting, and in a good spot.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: So anyway, all that to say I'm not perfect, but I found my way of how to be at peace.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: So what do you think God is trying to teach the parents that are trying to control influence?
22:27
SPEAKER_00: What's up, Bosa?
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's Bosa.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: What's up, Bosa B?
22:31
SPEAKER_01: He's trying to get me to let him out, bro.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: What's up?
22:35
SPEAKER_00: If y'all don't know, uh BD's got a con a carso, man.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: That dog's awesome.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: So what do you think?
22:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you want, yeah.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: So dang.
22:43
SPEAKER_01: What's up, big boy?
22:45
SPEAKER_00: I want some food.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: Feed me.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, what do you think God is trying to teach those parents that want to control and have more influence than they should on a team?
23:00
SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's a great, you know.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: I've never thought about what God's trying to teach the parents in that.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know as a parent, it's humbling.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: It's humbling to it's in the same way you release your kids to the coach, you have to trust.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: You're giving up trust, and that's humbling.
23:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I can see trust being built out of that, I can see trust being hurt at times out of it.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I can see being humbled, but I really do believe in any situation in sport, one of the great things is there's an opportunity to build character in it.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: So if you're a parent and you come across a tough situation on a team, and maybe the players aren't unified, coaches aren't unified, the product's not good, they're not winning.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: Well, it probably won't be the last time your daughter or son has to face that.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: So, how are you gonna face it?
23:48
SPEAKER_01: And then how you face it gives you a good uh playbook for how to face it in the future that you can draw from um and you can say you experienced and endured, you know.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: So I think seeing the big picture, um, I think looking for ways to have great conversations.
24:05
SPEAKER_01: We I'm fortunate we have a lot of godly godly parents in our program, and they do a great job of just seeing the big picture, having good conversations.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you know, hoops is different because it's such an intimate environment.
24:19
SPEAKER_01: You're all in one room, you can see the team, the other team.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: You you can kind of tell maybe who the parents are of the kids.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it gets intense.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: I hear I hear people from church say, like, I forgot I was a Christian at this game, you know, it gets so intense.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and you want to support your team, but then you might you might, hey, you can't do that.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: Hey, that's a foul.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: Da-da-da.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes as a coach, I do that too.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: So I I gotta watch myself on that.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: But you gotta have certain boundaries.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you as a Christian, you just no business challenging anyone to a fight, nope, no business cursing nonsense.
24:56
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like be a Christian.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think it's an opportunity, I really do.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: And then some of the best ones, like in opportunity to be a light amidst a really hard situation, and be a light, be encouraging.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, and hopefully your kid follows suit.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: But uh, you can meet parents from other teams, you're gonna see them again.
25:16
SPEAKER_01: You know, as a coach, I try to get all the officials' names.
25:19
SPEAKER_01: I get heated, I get passionate, I tell them ahead of time.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: I've gotten techs, you know.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: I usually know when I'm gonna get a tech.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, but I always go back.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: I want to see BD getting a tech.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, I always go back and make sure one of the funniest ones I got was against Zach Levine.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I was coaching high school, and as a sophomore, we beat him.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: I was at East Lake High School, he was at Bothell.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: As a junior, we split.
25:47
SPEAKER_01: So as a senior, he's at this time he's balling.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, he's getting ready to go to UCLA, and so we played at Bothell, and uh he would, you know, he's so long, he kind of he had a natural carry to his dribble.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna call spade a spade.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's Zach Levine.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: So they rarely call it.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Now, before the game, I saw the official walk up into the bleachers and hug Levine's parents.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh no, like bro, bias already.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: None of that I told my assistants I said it's gonna be rough.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so he was doing his carry and saw him call out, carry, carry, that's a carry, you know, and then we're we're losing.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: I think we're down 20 or something.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: So uh so he told me to stop.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: So I felt I was trying to make my point.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I said something I should probably shouldn't have said.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: I got a tech, but I said, How come you didn't hug any of our parents before the game?
26:45
SPEAKER_01: And and then that's when I learned about the seatbelt rule in Washington State.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: What is that?
26:51
SPEAKER_01: So I like to stand and have energy and coach.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: Once you get a tech in Washington State, you have a seatbelt, you have to sit the rest of the game on your bench.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: What?
26:59
SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
27:01
SPEAKER_01: So he was happy that he was happy he got me, man.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: I was standing up, coach.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: I was like, next play.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh, you gotta sit down.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: I was like, I don't have to sit down.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yes, you do.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: It's a rule, seatbelt.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: He's like, You can stand, it's another tech, and you're out.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, so uh, so anyway, I got on a tangent there, but but even that, I had to, you know, that that wasn't the best thing.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: It didn't help us.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like some people believe I'm gonna get a tech and fire my team up.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: Didn't do that.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so you know, having accountability, owning it, apologizing, those are all good ways to be a light.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, accountability, owning the situation.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: B.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I think I would have been triggered if I was told there's a seatbelt rule.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: I was like, What you trying to say I'm a kid or something, man?
27:52
SPEAKER_00: I I probably got another tech, you know, just to be honest.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, yeah.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: Actually, my my dad told me I should have.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: My dad was there.
28:00
SPEAKER_01: It's like, you should.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: I go, Dad, I would have been suspended for a game.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: I would have missed the next game.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he goes, It doesn't matter, you should have gone right out there on that court.
28:09
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Okay, dad.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: All right, dad.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: Your dad's a fighter, too.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: There's a fight in it, there's a dog in him.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, boils down to what I'm hearing is man, there's a lot about trust as a parent with a child in a game.
28:23
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it's gonna be harder when you have, I think, a younger one.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know, maybe D1's harder and pro, but hopefully by then they're like adults and you treat them as an adult.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it sounds like, man, the big challenge for parents, especially Christian parents, is you're held to a higher standard.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Hey, trust the coach, trust your child, trust the process.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: The situation you signed up for this team, it may not be going as well as you think, but accept it.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Trust it.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: That's tough, especially as a parent, because you want what's best for your kid, you want the best opportunities for them to get more opportunities, and it's hard to see growth through challenges.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: It is, and it and in a lot of situations are hard.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean everyone wants their kid to be the lead scorer and win every game.
29:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so if your kid is the sixth or seventh or eighth man, you're probably not happy, um, or you're challenged.
29:27
SPEAKER_01: Um but ultimately at the end of the day, what I saw in college coaching was if your kid can play, if they can play, there's a spot for them somewhere.
29:39
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: And the coaches will find them and they'll have a chance to play.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: And if they can't play, the the you know, the truth is in the pudding, like the proof is in the pudding.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: When they're on that, it's it's not about at the end of the day, you can't blame a coach or teammate.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: If they get in the right situations, they play on the right AU and they get to play um, you know, high school ball and they train and they go to open gyms and they're seen, coaches can tell if the kids can play.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: All right, let's give parents.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, a lot of parents listen to this.
30:11
unknown: Yeah.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: The right parent.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: Can you extrapolate that a little bit more?
30:14
SPEAKER_00: When you say a coach can tell that a kid plays, yeah, does that mean hey, they're scoring a lot or they get a lot of steals?
30:21
SPEAKER_00: What are some things that a coach notices?
30:24
SPEAKER_00: Can you give us a little more details on that?
30:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll just give you my two cents.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: My two cents would be um, and this is someone, so I was on the end where if someone sent in film or tape, I would get that.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: And if I got if we got emails of digital film and and highlight reels, I would get that.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: And then I would have to filter if I was gonna give that to a coach.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: So I would see what the coach wanted, what they cared about.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, if you get a kid that scored like 56 points in a game in 32 minutes, they're gonna be like, What?
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Let me see that, right?
30:51
SPEAKER_01: But really, there they want to know the names and want them on their radar, and so then if my advice would be have no holes in your game, be able to do everything, and then be able to do one thing really well.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: So you want to be able to handle in basketball, you want to be able to handle the ball, you want to be able to shoot, pass, um, you want to be able to play defense, you want to be tough, you want to be in condition.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, especially these days, you've got to be able to shoot.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: So you want to be able to do all those things, and then because you have to, you have to, against competition, be able to hold your own in all those areas and no glaring weaknesses.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then have one thing you're really great at that they would say, okay, if I have if I have Leo on my team, Leo's a three-point shooter, I'm going to use him in that way.
31:43
SPEAKER_01: He's going to be my three-point shooter, and he can do some other stuff that will come with that, but really I need him to be this three-point shooter.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh, my point guard, I need my point guard to look like this.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: And so, okay, yeah, he can hang, he can do these other things, but I'm gonna really need him to distribute the ball here.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: Uh, that'd be my two cents.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: No holes in your game, you're you're across the board, fundamentally sound, you know, the Kobe Bryant mentality comes fundamentally sound, and then one thing you do great.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: That would be my advice.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: It makes you think about Gary Payton Jr.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: He's good all around, but he's really excellent in defense.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: High on another level, he can defense.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: Igodala, same thing as he got older, he's pretty good at everything, but his IQ and defense was on a whole nother level.
32:31
SPEAKER_00: So I appreciate that, Brian.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: And uh, one thing that I love as a three-time YMCA uh champion coach, you know.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: Three for young kids, I can tell when someone really loves the game as good if they pass the ball.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: Really good kids that are just bullying everybody, okay, you're good, you can shoot.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: But if you keep doing that the whole game, I'm like, you're selfish, you don't know teamwork, you don't understand.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: Kids are gonna catch up to your size, but you're you're missing the the game.
33:00
SPEAKER_00: But if a kid setting screens and passing, I'm like, hey, there's something special to that kid.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully they keep developing.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, Coach L.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: There you go, coach L.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: All right, yeah, because you because you might have a kid that can just he can win one-on-one cutthroat, but he can't function in the game, and you don't want him to shoot every time.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: And so if he doesn't know who to pass to, when and where, you're like, okay, he's not aware.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I can put him out there.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: It's a five-on-five game.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a it's a game, angles, positioning, screens, movement, 100%.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: Um I love that, man.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, trust is a big thing.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, hopefully, parents are seeing that this is an opportunity for you to grow.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what?
33:44
SPEAKER_00: And so, no nonsense, parents.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: Hey, let the other coaches coach your kid.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: They know that.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: And matter of fact, some of these coaches know more than you, and they might know some things that you need a while, but more importantly, your relationship with your child.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: I love what you said.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: If they're not coming to you, they feel something about you, so take more ownership in that, right?
34:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we talked about judgment plank, taking out the plank in your own eye before you take out the spec in the other.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: Does your kid ever approach you for help?
34:20
SPEAKER_00: If not, be more adamant about what you need to change than what the coach needs to do.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: That's my challenge.
34:27
SPEAKER_01: I like it.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you can you can know that answer by saying, Hey, can I can is it a good time to share some insight?
34:35
SPEAKER_01: Hey, can I can I coach you on something?
34:37
SPEAKER_01: Can I say something about the game?
34:38
SPEAKER_01: And then your your son or daughter might say, No, no, thanks.
34:45
SPEAKER_01: Do I have to?
34:46
SPEAKER_01: I think I'm good.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: I think I got it.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: Um that's hilarious.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: Man, and then I'm inspired.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: Can I share one story of ownership with you?
34:54
SPEAKER_01: Love to.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: Love it.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you see me in my background.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: I got my uh Gardner Minshew jersey.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: And uh that's from when he was on the Raiders.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: He was a short stint on the Raiders.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: And I think he's been on six NFL teams in eight years.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: He's on the um Arizona Cardinals right now.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: Yep, beat the Cowboys, thank God.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Good job.
35:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, beat the came back in, beat the Cowboys.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: Come back victory.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: So he's on the road in Seattle, um, where he once played at Washington State here in Pullman.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: And uh he's playing against Drew Locke, who's uh might be a Missouri grad.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: I think so.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he's a Missouri grad.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: He's a backup quarterback for the Seahawks.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
35:33
SPEAKER_01: So you got Gardner Minshew, starting Arizona Cardinals quarterback, um, eight years in the league.
35:40
SPEAKER_01: And uh this this I got to be in his chapel when he was at Wazoo.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: And he came in after some great quarterbacks and a tough time in the in the town and in the program, and he just kind of lit up college football.
35:52
SPEAKER_01: He had the Minshew mustache and Minshew mania.
35:56
SPEAKER_01: And so I saw the other side.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: I didn't, you know, I didn't see like that side.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: I saw the the man, and um he studied the Bible, and uh we had a group that met on a weekly basis, and we had the the team captain for defense, gardener for offense, and then a special teams guy, and we'd meet and do Bible study.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: So the week before the Apple Cup, they were I think there were eight in the nation or six in the nation, they had a chance to play in the in the playoff.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: And that week it was it was gonna snow in Pullman, and he had never played in snow.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: And so I remember telling him, like, hey, have you ever played in snow?
36:31
SPEAKER_01: He's like, No, he's from Mississippi.
36:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so that day it snowed like a foot.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: And they tried to run the air raid offense in the snow.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: And so we had prayed, you know, for the Apple Cup, and if they won that game, they're gonna be in the playoffs and stuff, and the coups lost to the Huskies, and it was in Pullman, and so they just went from like winning, winning, winning, and just hyped it to just taking that loss, right?
36:56
SPEAKER_01: So the next week we go to pray, and I can't wait.
36:59
SPEAKER_01: Like, it's I think we did Monday, it was our day.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: So Saturday is a game, Monday.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: We're going to pray.
37:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I wonder where his head's gonna be at, where's his faith gonna be at?
37:09
SPEAKER_01: So um we go to meet up and we're gonna pray.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: We're praying over the football field.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: And uh I go, man, how you how you feel about the uh game and what did you learn?
37:19
SPEAKER_01: And he goes, Well, I've prayed the whole season to be the leader this football team needs.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: And he goes, and we lost the Apple Cup.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: So I guess God is telling me this is the moment for me to be the leader the team needs.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, that is a great mentality, you know.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: He wasn't like, oh, we should have won, and I've I got it.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: He was like, This is my moment.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: I prayed for it, and he told the team, if if we mope around, we're gonna get our butts kicked in our bowl.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: And um, he didn't use that language, but that's what he said, and so um they got it together and they won their bowl game, and uh that is the team that won they have the most wins in Washington State football history.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's incredible!
38:05
SPEAKER_01: Yep, Gardner Minshew.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: So let's go, let's go, Cardinals.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: Hey, I'm cheering for them now, man.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: He's is he starting?
38:11
SPEAKER_00: He's starting, right?
38:12
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: He's starting, yeah.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: He's starting in uh even his interview this week.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: I know I'm going long, but you'd love this man.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: He was like, they're like, How do you feel?
38:20
SPEAKER_01: Are you nervous?
38:20
SPEAKER_01: Is it different?
38:21
SPEAKER_01: And he goes, Well, he goes, I kind of show up and just try to do my job every day, so not that much.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: He goes, Yesterday I went to the zoo with my uh my wife and my new baby.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: He's like, So that was really fun, you know.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: So his identity is not all wrapped up in football, he's bigger than that.
38:38
SPEAKER_00: Come on, bro.
38:38
SPEAKER_00: Now I appreciate that story.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: That's really inspiring.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: Don't take it too high, don't take it too low.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and believe whatever situation you're in, God's brought you there for a reason.
38:47
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
38:48
SPEAKER_00: Dude, I'm inspired.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for that story, Brian.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, man.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: All right, all right.
38:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh well, dude, thanks for uh preparation, the questions.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: I hope parents feel inspired too.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh, we're in the battle with you, parents.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: We're trying to do the same thing.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, when you get good advice, you see things at work, send it our way too.
39:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it makes me think, you know, I'll pray us out, but it makes me think of our Heavenly Father looking down, trying to teach us and knowing what to do and say at the right time.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: So absolutely.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
39:17
SPEAKER_01: Well, I can pray it out unless you got anything else.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: No, man.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: Love what you shared there.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: No nonsense, parents, no nonsense.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: No nonsense.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
39:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh Heavenly Father, uh, thank you for this time to connect with Elle and just talk about parenting.
39:30
SPEAKER_01: And uh God, what a great challenge.
39:31
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for our kids.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: Thank you that we can be um parents to them and uh fired up faithful fathers.
39:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, we pray to be no nonsense parents.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: We pray to uh raise them or coach them and train them in the right way.
39:46
SPEAKER_01: Um we want to release them to the experience of sport and really release them to you for them to endure any experience and learn from you and uh have it build them as men and women, God.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: We know the ball won't keep bouncing forever, God, that uh, but they'll keep praying and hopefully pray forever and hopefully be faithful forever.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: And so we lift up our kids to teach them in that way.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: Help us to be examples of the things that we we say to do.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: Help us to not be those parents and coaches that say, um, you know, don't do what I do, only do what I say.
40:20
SPEAKER_01: Um help us to be good examples and and humble in victory and um you know determined in defeat.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: But uh thank you for this time, God.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: Um pray for the rest of the week coming up.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: And uh, Father, looking forward to much more conversation about faith and sport.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: In your son Jesus' name we pray.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
40:45
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41:23
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41:27
SPEAKER_01: And don't just win the game, but win souls.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: Peace.