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Bears vs Seahawks NFL DFS Showdown | MNF Week 8 Showdown Shippers | Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems go.
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  Speaker 2: Clear for liftoff.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, everyone? Tyler Tamburlin here, a.k.a. Totag and Tambo.
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  Speaker 3: Back for another edition of Showdown Shippers here on the
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  Speaker 3: Ship It Nation YouTube station. A very special edition. I
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  Speaker 3: know you want to talk showdown. I know you want
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  Speaker 3: to talk about captains and ownership and roster construction. And
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  Speaker 3: the man, the myth, the legend probably wants to get
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  Speaker 3: into that stuff, too. But we got the GOAT, Hebrew Cheetah,
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  Speaker 3: here with us, fresh off the Millie Maker winner. Got title,
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  Speaker 3: got hoop, as usual. We will get to the showdown content,
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  Speaker 3: all the other stuff after that. But Hebrew Cheetah, Rio,
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  Speaker 3: the man. What's going on? New newest Millie maker in
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  Speaker 3: the world right here with us out of his garage.
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  Speaker 3: Love to see it. What's happening, my friend?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not much.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you guys for having me on. First time I've
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  Speaker 4: ever been on a show with all three of you guys.
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  Speaker 4: So pretty cool to to do that. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: just wanted to hop on here and just kind of
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  Speaker 4: recap everything. Obviously had a ton of support over the last,
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  Speaker 4: you know, 12 or so hours, whatever it's been. Everybody
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  Speaker 4: reaching out couldn't get to all the messages. It's been
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  Speaker 4: honestly overwhelming, the amount of support that I've gotten. I
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  Speaker 4: really do appreciate everybody reaching out. It's like all the
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  Speaker 4: support has been amazing. I felt it all. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: just really appreciative. Feel great waking up this morning after
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  Speaker 4: that Sunday. But yeah, just a good time. Good time
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  Speaker 4: to be alive right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely a good time, man. And congrats to you.
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  Speaker 3: Just an extremely special accomplishment. Maybe we can start there.
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  Speaker 3: I'll let Title and Hoop get in on the mix
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  Speaker 3: as well. But just from the starting point, let's talk
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  Speaker 3: about it, man. I know you and I were texting
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  Speaker 3: back and forth, but not everybody is doing that and
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  Speaker 3: going back and forth with you on it. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: let's end these games. We just got to see what
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  Speaker 3: happens here. Nice to have the Pats D still in
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  Speaker 3: the mix.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But Title said it yesterday on the show is I'd
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  Speaker 3: want to be sitting up top. after that first set
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  Speaker 3: of games and literally sitting up top after those games.
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  Speaker 3: So talk to us a little bit about the sweat
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  Speaker 3: and how you were feeling once it sort of got
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  Speaker 3: to the point of like, OK, this is the case.
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  Speaker 3: I'm up there now. And then how that feeling is
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  Speaker 3: going into the afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, first and foremost, watching the the takedown breakdown
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  Speaker 4: this morning, I think you guys did a good job
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  Speaker 4: recapping it. So I would definitely suggest watching that because
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  Speaker 4: a lot of what you guys said was true. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: just with the way that the slate set up, it
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  Speaker 4: was a little bit more unique than some of the
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  Speaker 4: ones we've had in the past where the games were
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  Speaker 4: front loaded, you want a lot of exposure to the
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  Speaker 4: early games. Obviously you don't really know if you're sweating
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  Speaker 4: that early on, but you know, you check around like
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  Speaker 4: the third, fourth quarter of the early games and see
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  Speaker 4: what you got going on. And then, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: saw that I had that Michael Wilson team in there.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, honestly, the nut run out, like, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: everybody talks about a lot. I mean, Zach talked about
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  Speaker 4: a ton, like you need everything to go right to
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  Speaker 4: even be close to winning a tournament, but, I mean, man,
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  Speaker 4: that was the most insane run out I've ever had
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  Speaker 4: go my way. What did he get? Like 18 points
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  Speaker 4: on one drive. It was just absolutely insane. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. The sweat started after that. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's just like the anti-sweat, I guess, because I didn't
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  Speaker 4: have anybody going to the late game except for my defense.
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  Speaker 4: And you can lose points with your defense. Like even
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  Speaker 4: when I was in first, I was not guaranteed to
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  Speaker 4: win it. And yeah, just kind of watching the game,
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  Speaker 4: pacing back and forth for three hours was insane. just
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  Speaker 4: anxiety filled.
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  Speaker 3: Were you by yourself?
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  Speaker 4: No, I was, I went over to a friend's house
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  Speaker 4: down the street, had a couple of people come over
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  Speaker 4: cause I kind of knew that the possibility was real.
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  Speaker 4: So I wanted to celebrate and have my parents come too.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, but I was, I was with a couple
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  Speaker 4: of people. I don't think like if you're not hanging
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  Speaker 4: out with people that really understand the DFS game, it's
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  Speaker 4: hard to really put it into, into words. But I
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  Speaker 4: think that they understood once they saw me just pacing
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  Speaker 4: back and forth for two or three hours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Hoop, you know what it's like, man. You've been there.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a Millie Maker yourself. You were off a
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  Speaker 3: game stack in the morning. Rio obviously had, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we popped it up here. I can show people quick. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, go back to the takedown break. They're
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  Speaker 3: not going to spend a bunch of time on it.
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  Speaker 3: But you had Burrow, Chase, Higgins. You had Helm to
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  Speaker 3: allow you to fit everything else. And then you had
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  Speaker 3: Braylon Allen, Tootin, two of the best plays at running
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  Speaker 3: back yesterday based on everything else. You had Wilson when
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  Speaker 3: you weren't on. McBride or anything, instead of Henry and
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  Speaker 3: the Steelers, you kind of had the fanning against the
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  Speaker 3: Steelers and the Patriots defense, but who you've been here.
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  Speaker 3: What did you have that day? Jacobs was the guy
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  Speaker 3: in the afternoon. Like you, you still had to have
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  Speaker 3: somebody get to the house for you. Rio talked about
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  Speaker 3: the anti-sweat. I'll let you hop in and ask some
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  Speaker 3: questions yourself with them. But the, the, the sweats are
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  Speaker 3: just crazy down the stretch like he said him entitled
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  Speaker 3: talked about it you need everything to go your way
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  Speaker 3: you get that feeling of momentum i talked about it
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  Speaker 3: the previous week it felt a lot of things were
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  Speaker 3: starting to go my way and rio was texting me
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  Speaker 3: that day too like i said rio's always there supporting
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  Speaker 3: people in the community his friends one of the most
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  Speaker 3: genuine authentic humble dudes in the world but hoop you've
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  Speaker 3: been there talk about it with your situation and compare
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  Speaker 3: and contrast with rio and go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it's like a weird feeling i guess when it
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  Speaker 1: kicks in that you actually really have a chance or
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  Speaker 1: you think you really have a chance i guess you
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  Speaker 1: really don't know like if you have a chance or
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  Speaker 1: not like you you don't know what's behind you i
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  Speaker 1: guess nowadays um with the the tracking and what some
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  Speaker 1: people are doing like you have a little better idea
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  Speaker 1: of where you're at but um you know one little
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  Speaker 1: thing doesn't go your way and you're it's over like
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  Speaker 1: you know the the chiefs and you know we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about it the the coleman guy it's like that goes
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  Speaker 1: to overtime that you just broke off a 50 yard run.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say he does it again. And it's a 50
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  Speaker 1: yard run for a touchdown. I don't know how close
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  Speaker 1: the team was behind you. It could have been a
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  Speaker 1: game over. So the, the sweat is it's yeah. I mean, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's fun, nerve wracking, like everything there. Cause you just,
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  Speaker 1: you really don't, don't know. But in, in terms of
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and you know, Rio situation we talked about on
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  Speaker 1: the show. I mean, I think I said at one point,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, Usually we say, you know, don't get too
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  Speaker 1: comfortable going into the afternoon games. I don't know. We
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  Speaker 1: had a conversation around it briefly yesterday where it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: today's the one day where if you're sitting pretty after
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  Speaker 1: the early games, you might feel pretty good about your situation. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I pulled up. I didn't pull. I never
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  Speaker 1: really look until like later in the afternoon. Once those
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  Speaker 1: games get kicked off, I pulled it up and I
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  Speaker 1: saw Rio up top. I was like, OK, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we said there was a chance that a guy sitting
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  Speaker 1: up top after the early games could hold and it
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  Speaker 1: was our guy Rio. So I'm like, all right, now,
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  Speaker 1: now let's go, let's finish this off. Nothing was really
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  Speaker 1: happening in those games. So I know, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: put the graphic out there, they put them at what,
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  Speaker 1: like a 60 some percent chance to, to, to win
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  Speaker 1: it at some point. And yeah, again, but you still
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  Speaker 1: just never know. You don't want to get too comfortable
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  Speaker 1: because we talked about it, man. It's like, as soon
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  Speaker 1: as you start dropping in those Millie makers, you go from,
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  Speaker 1: It goes quick. You get out of that top five
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is. It's like you're going to be extremely,
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  Speaker 1: extremely disappointed. But, you know, Rio obviously got the job done.
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  Speaker 1: It was exciting stuff, excited for him. I pulled up
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  Speaker 1: the I went to text him after and I pulled
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  Speaker 1: up the text between the two of us. And the
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  Speaker 1: last text I had was me to him after he
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  Speaker 1: finished was a second place. Right. He finished second for
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  Speaker 1: the hundred. And the previous text was solid run in Millie.
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  Speaker 1: you will get it this season. And that was on
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  Speaker 1: September 20th. So we're like six weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: It's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Six weeks ago. I was like, I said, I just
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  Speaker 1: read that text. I said, I guess it came true.
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  Speaker 1: I said a little quicker than I anticipated, but it's
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  Speaker 1: so cool to see them. It's awesome. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: like taking it outside of DFS, like when you, look
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  Speaker 1: at somebody that has dedicated their life to a skill,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, if it's a basketball player or an
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  Speaker 1: accountant or a teacher, whatever it is, whatever the hell
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  Speaker 1: it is, whatever industry you see someone that dedicated their
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  Speaker 1: life to it has absolutely busted their ass at the
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  Speaker 1: skillset it takes to get to the top level. Like
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  Speaker 1: when you see somebody do that and then they actually
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  Speaker 1: achieve it, it's so cool. And that's just outside of DFS.
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  Speaker 1: That's just in life. Like you can see, from just afar,
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  Speaker 1: like how hard somebody is working at a skill to
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  Speaker 1: master it, to get better, to improve. And in this industry,
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  Speaker 1: there's not many people that have put in the time,
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  Speaker 1: the work, the effort. And I know this firsthand. I
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  Speaker 1: know you both do as well, because, you know, we've
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  Speaker 1: been close with Rio for years. Like, so cool to
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  Speaker 1: see him finally get there because, man, he's busted his
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  Speaker 1: ass in this industry. I mean, absolutely has busted his
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  Speaker 1: ass and he deserves it and super excited for him.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just really cool to see. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I love that title. I'll let you hop in too, man. Just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you've been quiet. Obviously we had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of conversations going back and forth, but you know, any,
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  Speaker 3: any thoughts you've got here with Rio? I know you
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  Speaker 3: guys are pretty close and like you said, you've got a,
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: a lot to look out for here. So.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I, I mean, hoops at his point, I
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  Speaker 5: think it was really good when you worked so hard
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  Speaker 5: at something.
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  Speaker 2: To see it pay off.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, Rio, even if he didn't win the
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  Speaker 5: million in his whole life, like he's, I mean, he's,
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  Speaker 5: he's made a stamp in this industry, but, I do
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  Speaker 5: believe in good karma. You be a good person. You
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  Speaker 5: get good things back. It's really, really hard to get
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  Speaker 5: there at the top.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm yeah. Believe it. Don't believe whatever. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: there's still players.
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  Speaker 5: It's outside your control, but you do need a little
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  Speaker 5: extra luck and everything needs to happen. And yeah, no
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  Speaker 5: one deserves it more than Rio. I've been blessed to
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  Speaker 5: know him for many years.
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  Speaker 2: Put in the work.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, everyone knows if you're in the NBA discord
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  Speaker 5: alone and he's not, I mean, he's going to be
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  Speaker 5: in the NBA discord, not tomorrow. There's actually no show tomorrow,
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  Speaker 5: but Wednesday, Thursday, all that. Totally well-deserved, and it was
• 9:47
  Speaker 5: really cool to see my boy Randy Moss Jr. get
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: the job done. Broken ribs and all, and a perfectly
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  Speaker 5: constructed lineup.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I hope I hope you get a fan
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  Speaker 2: in Jersey.
• 9:56
  Speaker 5: I hope you get a Michael Wilson Jersey, whatever you
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  Speaker 5: do with it, but yeah, nobody deserves it more than real.
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  Speaker 2: I was very, very happy for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Love to see that. And by the way, the,
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  Speaker 3: you know, talk about, I said earlier, Hebrew cheetah got
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  Speaker 3: the three H's. It said hardworking, helpful, humble. And then
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  Speaker 3: I'll add another just, you know, very happy today. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure Rio. So talk about the emotions after, right. You,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you went into already what it was like
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  Speaker 3: sort of pacing around in the sweat, but what's, what
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  Speaker 3: is it? What is that feeling? Finally getting the job done.
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  Speaker 3: You said it like I prayed for times that you said, finally,
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  Speaker 3: like this is the, it means like, like hoop set,
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  Speaker 3: you're putting in the work you've been waiting for this moment.
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  Speaker 3: it finally happens. And literally just six weeks ago, you
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  Speaker 3: had to deal with disappointment of being right there. And
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: it just comes up short, inspiring. I know for me
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  Speaker 3: off of fourth place last week, seeing how quick you
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  Speaker 3: can just have that turnaround and get it right back.
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  Speaker 3: But talk about the feeling of finally crossing the finish line.
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  Speaker 3: What were you doing? What was the celebration like after that?
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people want to know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Firstly, thank you hoop and a title for the
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  Speaker 4: nice words. Definitely got me feeling a little emotional over
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  Speaker 4: here this morning, but yeah, I appreciate it a lot.
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  Speaker 4: It means a lot. Um, Yeah, as far as what
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  Speaker 4: went on afterwards, it was just kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a couple moments where you're just in shock. I'm sure, Hoop,
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  Speaker 4: you kind of felt that way where you're just like
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  Speaker 4: waiting for the money to hit the account. And it's just, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it was crazy. Just really just in shock. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't play any lineups in the showdown game that night,
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  Speaker 4: just kind of watching it and catching up with everybody
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  Speaker 4: that was reaching out because there was a ton of
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  Speaker 4: people I wanted to make sure I got around to
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  Speaker 4: as much as I could. But yeah, I think just,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the best thing was being with, you know,
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  Speaker 4: close friends and family, people that know, have seen the
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: work that goes behind every, you know, every single week,
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: like the prep starts super early in the week for NFL.
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  Speaker 4: So just being with people that have seen that firsthand,
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  Speaker 4: I think was really cool. Celebrating with my brother and
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  Speaker 4: my parents was amazing. You know, people that have really
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: seen it from start to finish. I mean, I started
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  Speaker 4: playing DFS in 2016 and, And it was me and
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  Speaker 4: my brother listening to Sirius XM videos, getting information there
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  Speaker 4: before even knowing what projections and optimizers and all that
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  Speaker 4: stuff was. So celebrating with him was, was amazing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just, you know, a lot of, a lot
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: of beers, a couple, a couple of whiskey drinks, good
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  Speaker 4: time with friends. And yeah, I ended up, I got
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  Speaker 4: a little e-bike, live pretty close to the beach. So
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  Speaker 4: I took that down there and just run around for
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  Speaker 4: a little bit, listen to music and kind of took
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  Speaker 4: a moment to myself to just let it all soak in.
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  Speaker 4: Cause yeah, I just needed to, really feel it. That's
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  Speaker 4: when it kind of became real. Just being by yourself and,
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  Speaker 4: and knowing that you finally done it was, was really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was, it was a great night. Really,
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  Speaker 4: really good night.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Can't ask for a better outcome. Like you said,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta, gotta have everything go right to get there.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people pouring out even more support in
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: the chat. We appreciate all you. I know Rio does,
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: but you know, little things like this just add up, right?
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  Speaker 3: James says, congratulations. You helped me win small wins, NBA
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  Speaker 3: in the past. It's, you know, small wins can turn
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  Speaker 3: into big wins and you're putting in that time. It just,
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: this is, everybody starts somewhere. And that's, you know, Rio's
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  Speaker 3: explaining his story. He posted on his ex account last night,
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  Speaker 3: 10 plus years of the grind, right? It's just, it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot that goes into these things to get there.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody else said this, I think, you know, Rio and
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  Speaker 3: I talked yesterday and pre-show today of like, it's not
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  Speaker 3: about like, everybody just doesn't see it the same way.
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  Speaker 3: Hoops said it best. It's like when you put your
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  Speaker 3: entire life around a craft, it doesn't matter what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Some people it's golf. Like you said, they want to
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  Speaker 3: get better at that and they go put in lessons
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  Speaker 3: and keep playing the game. And then whatever the event
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  Speaker 3: might be in this case, it's just, this is the
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  Speaker 3: game we play. And that's why we play the game
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  Speaker 3: right there. The million dollars important Rio, I think, right.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this, but you know, it's, that's the money,
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  Speaker 3: but it's also, it's because it's the biggest event. I
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  Speaker 3: always compare it to like a golf major, right? to
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: title's point. He said, there's a lot of people that
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: will never win the Millie maker, but still made a
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  Speaker 3: stamp or had good results or crushed it there. It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Like you, you can't control all the outcomes. You got
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: to keep putting the time in work at it. You know, we,
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  Speaker 3: we talk about it all the time, but achieving it
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  Speaker 3: or hitting that, that big major feeling is what matters
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  Speaker 3: so much. You say you took some time to yourself,
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  Speaker 3: you know, whipped around, listen a little bit music, stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that, but. Just incredible, incredible stuff, man. Who titled,
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: did you guys have anything else you wanted to hit
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: Rio with here before we move on to the other stuff?
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: I think we'll have some Rio at Stata guys, just
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: so you guys know for the Ship It Nation community,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: we got some giveaways coming and some fun stuff there,
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: but got to let them just bask in it. It's
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: already cool enough that he just showed up right after
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: the celebration to hop on with us. Just such an
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: incredible feeling. Can't, can't imagine. Just amazing.
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: No, I love the whipping around. I would, I'd do
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: the same thing. A walk, whatever it is like that's
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: totally can resonate with me. That's how it hit. You
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: deserve it. Take it all in. Enjoy it for a week.
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: My question, though, is how did you sleep?
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: When did you go to bed? Did you wake up
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night? How did that go?
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: I slept like a damn baby, honestly.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, I love it.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: The beers and the whiskey probably helped that.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: They definitely did. A little late-night snack, too. I really
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: couldn't eat when I was watching the games. I was
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: just not hungry, so I didn't realize that I skipped
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: out on lunch and dinner. Basically, my diet was just
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: a lot of beers, but got home, just had some snacks, watched, uh,
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: watched super bad and just slept like a baby. Woke
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: up this morning, turned on the, uh, the takedown breakdown show.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: Tambo asked me to come on and got ready real quick,
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I slept, slept great. It was hard, hard
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: to not sleep like that after, after that.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Type of night.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: And I got one more.
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: Cause I think probably a lot of people in chat,
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: this will, this will hit them home. But yeah, you've
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: been playing since 2016, like a million maker, everyone's goal
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: or like the thing is that like, I, Personally, that
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: has never really been mine as much because I know
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: Top Heavy and how much you can lose while doing it.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: Osimo back in the day posted that, how he was
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: down millions of dollars. I think he won a Millie
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: Maker and still is down in that contest. So having
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: goals and like, what did you start? I mean, I
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: met you at the live final before I even know
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: you and had a great time there. But like the
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: bankroll obviously grows when you have success, but you need
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: to still manage that bankroll to be there. So for
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: people out there listening and watching, how did 10 years
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: ago when it starts, What were you playing?
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: How did it grow?
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: Anything to now being one of the biggest crushers?
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, didn't really expect this type of success
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: when I started 10 years ago because I didn't really
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: even know that it was possible. Just kind of, you know,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: watching sports and enjoying it and potentially making money off
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: of it. It sounded like something I was interested in.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: So I started to learn a little bit more about that.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: And then I think maybe in 2020, 2019 is when
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: it started to feel like, OK, this is actually something
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: that you could do for a living and you could
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: be really good at if you put the time in.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, for anybody, well, most people that
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: play DFS are like the winning the Millie is the
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: ultimate goal. That's it's either that or winning a live final.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: And yeah, that was, I mean, for years, like I
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: really do believe in the power of manifestation for years.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: I wrote it down like in journals, in my notes
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: app and said like, what goals for this year, win
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: a Millie in NFL. And to finally have that, It's
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: kind of why you do it. I feel really proud
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: of myself, honestly. I know how much time and effort
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: I put in. My family knows how much I put in,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: and it just feels really good to do that. I
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: don't know. I really do believe manifestation is real. You've
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: got to believe that you're going to win. I'm not
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: going to step into any sort of arena with the
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: expectation to lose. I really want to hammer that point home.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: You've got to be positive. Don't come into it with
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: a negative mindset.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: 100% true, but you also have to put in the
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: work to then make it happen. You can't just, I'm
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: going to be a millionaire and then do nothing and
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: just wake up and it happened. But no, I couldn't
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: agree more. Yeah, big congrats. That's all I got.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I love one thing there too. I want to just
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: run off that quickly because it was to Hoop's point,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: he brought it up. It's six weeks ago. I get
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: like everyone, again, I think this is where it gets tricky.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Cause obviously people like a hundred thousand dollars is still
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: important to everybody here, but it's also like when you're
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: going after that goal of a million, it's like, that's
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: a frustrating spot to be in where like that night
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: before I joked about it before I said, there's been days,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: sometimes I want to throw this sign out because I
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: actually do care. Right. I do care so much. I
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: want to make this thing happen and try and get
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: to a goal and, In this case, you could have
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: done that. You could have been extremely frustrated by it,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: but you got right back in the streets, grinded it out.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: What is your ability to sort of turn it around?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Or what is your mindset? Do you go back to
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: the journal? You talked about manifestation, you're riding around, listening
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: to the music. How do you sort of separate it
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: to be able just to bounce right back? And again,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't know that it's going to be six weeks later,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: you ship it. But at the end of the day,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: the idea of how do you handle something where it
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: was like, great, good, right there. Still get a bunch
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: of money. Awesome to start my season with 100K. But man,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: the ultimate goal is right there. Like, how do you
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: handle that? How does that sort of work for you?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, great question. And I definitely know where to go
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: with this one because I've definitely been a person that
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: would extreme tilt and let it ruin a night, honestly.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: And that like probably a couple of years ago is
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: over maybe a couple thousand dollars. Whereas now over six figures,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: seven figures, I don't know. I probably have a different approach.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: And honestly, a lot of that is due to Zach.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Like I've met him or we've hung out a lot
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: in person. He's always said like, never get too high
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: on the high or lows on the lows. And I
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: really started to implement that into my mindset. So like, yeah,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: I'm upset when something like that happens when I don't
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: win a million, but you do need a lot of
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: things to go well or go your way. And to
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: know that you've at least put yourself in a position
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: to have a chance. I think you can't really be
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: too caught up on the results. Just know that you've
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: played the right game and you if you can seem
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: to do that over the time the law law of
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: averages are going to work out in your favor and
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: eventually happen you know eventually have things go your way
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: like just happened yesterday so yeah definitely got to attribute
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: a lot of that to learning from title love it yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: That's awesome man that's amazing just because i think a
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: lot of people go through that and obviously we've seen
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: people win big money and that you know maybe i'll
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: give it to hoop for a second, but if you
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: take the money, what do you do with it next?
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: But somebody will win the big money. And we've said
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: it before, like we're on a Sunday, we see somebody
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: win and Monday night football, they're in for 30 K
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: or something. They've never played that kind of money in
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: their life. Like, Whoa. whoa, taxes first and then this
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and then this. But you see that, but also you
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: see people go on a downswing after something like a
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: close call, even though it's a good hit, it's they
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: let the negative thing affect them. Or it's the other way,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: like they're winning money if you get pushed back to
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: a worse score than you thought you were going to get,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: but it's not over till it's over. And then you
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: see them sort of spiral out. And I've even been
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: there myself personally, where that's happened of like a bad
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: downswing and then you just make it worse. So the
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: fact that you can keep yourself on that and love
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: that it comes from title and, and, you know, try
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: and put that some into my own game and I
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: hope others can as well. So awesome, awesome point on that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Who did you have anything else for Rio?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I guess the question I always have when, you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: something like this happens is like any initial plans, not
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: necessarily like with the money, but is there anything like you,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you're going to purchase or anything you're going to do
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: differently in, in life, I guess is, is the question.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I know it just happened last night, but you always
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: have that, those thoughts going through your head. If this happens,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I might do something as though just any, Any thoughts there?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I think one thing that I've really tried to do,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if this is a good or bad thing,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: but celebrating the wins a little bit more. And that
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: maybe comes with, you know, having something that is like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: like buying something, even though it doesn't really mean a lot,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: it doesn't have like a ton of true value. It's
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: more so just like a representation of the hard work.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: So I always felt like if I were to win
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: a million, I have a lot of, vintage cars that
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at. Like I love vintage cars. I'm potentially
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: thinking about that. Like I think when I had a
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: pretty nice, uh, nice streak in, in, uh, MLB this summer,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: like I, you know, splurged a little bit on some jewelry.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: I never buy jewelry. So just things like that where it's,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: it's not really about like the item itself, but more
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: so just a representation of the work. The items are
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: really cool, but yeah. Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: That's neat. That's awesome.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Are you getting a jersey? I pretty much told you
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: to get one. Coop did– his wife, shout out Jen,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: did a great– the poster.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: That was really sick.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Is there anything like that that you're going to do?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Definitely get a jersey. I feel like I've put that off.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I've had a couple of nice wins in NBA where
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I'm going to get a Max Christie jersey,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: but never end up doing it. I've got to get
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: a Michael Wilson jersey, though. I think that's my guy
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: for life.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: He's the man.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, Wilson or Moss on the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: back is the real question. Moss Jr. or Wilson?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: He played like Moss Jr., and he came out with
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: broken ribs. He's the man.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: He did it, man. He got the job done. Anything else, Rio,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you want to sort of pass along anymore? I mean, awesome.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Just the amount you share already is incredible. And just
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: have your answers. You're so well grounded, which is what
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I love about you. Just being able to come out
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: like there's nothing like, oh, well, let me think about this.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: You kind of know who you are. And I think
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: that's important. Just being yourself for everybody out there. But
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: you particularly do this better than most. So I love that.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Any other advice or anything else you want to pass along?
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Any other thoughts or stories or anything else you want
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: to tell from this experience?
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I appreciate that, Sambo. I appreciate the kind
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: words always. I don't really know if I have much
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: to leave you guys with. I'm definitely not the type
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: of person that I don't think I'm old enough to
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: really be giving out any sort of life advice yet.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know. Whatever it is that you're
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: working on, just stay the course. Always believe in yourself
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and definitely come with a positive mindset. Good things can
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: happen for sure.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this one Choke said earlier, the affirmation
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: that you were right to stay the course means more
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: than the money. Like that's where maybe something to figure
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: it out from that perspective. Obviously, money's great and all
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the different factors. But when you do really work on
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: a craft as much as all of us here and
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of people in the community do, that's what's cool.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: That's why it's so fun. Yes, I like the community sweat.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: as well. Right. We had so many people, I think
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: it was the minute you posted, there was automatically like
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: 200 emojis or something just hopped in right away. Like
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: people just really love you and what you do. And
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: then on top of it, you know, they want to
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: support you and show that back.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: It's like, we all cheer for ourselves, individual game, but
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: when it comes down to the stretch, I love the
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: person in discord yesterday who said, uh, This is a family.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: It's like you're cheering for your own family. That's really
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: what the fun is. We know enough about each other.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: We're hanging out all the time on shows and chats
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and discords and whatever. It's not always in real life, friends,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: but it's also just the ability to be able to
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: support each other along the journey. And when you're out,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: people always give Ricky Fowler shit for this back in
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: the day, like give him something to hit. He can't win.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: The tournament ended. He's seven strokes back. He's going to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: wait at the green and high five his buddy because
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that's his buddy, man. He's cheering for him. He's out.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: He can't win. Why would you ever... want someone else
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to lose and be negative about it. Like root for
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: your people, man. That's what it's all about. So, Honestly, Rio,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: can't say enough good things. Just so happy to see
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: you get the job done, actually get the ultimate ship it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: He said, finally, the text back and forth yesterday. We
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: said it was going to be a good day. I
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: texted yesterday morning, said it's going to be a really
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: good day over here, and it turned out to be
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: a great day, man, for you. So shout out to Rio.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Shout out to everybody that supported along the way. We'll
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: let him get back to it. Maybe he wants a nap.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe he wants to just keep the party rolling. But Rio,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: really appreciate you, man. Congrats again. Thank you so much
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: for doing this so quickly after the event. Of course.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. Got to get the NBA
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: slate plan up. We got a lot of a lot
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: of games tonight. So get that going pretty soon. But
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: I appreciate all that. Yeah. Right back to the grind, man.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing to add. So this is a quick
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: little funny story about winning the Millie. All right. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: maybe hopefully hopefully it applies to you tonight. So the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: night I didn't play the showdown slate when I won. Obviously,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I was. I was drinking during the day at my
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: buddy's kid's birthday party. And then obviously that continued on
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to the night. So I'm like, I'm not fucking around
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: with the late slate, no chance. So I did have
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a big party at my house the Monday after. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: for some reason in the morning, I registered for all
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the showdown stuff. I'm like, why the hell did I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: do that? So I was like, son of a bitch.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So friends, family, everyone started coming over and obviously drinks
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: started flowing. I'm like, shit, I set an alarm for like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like 745 Eastern, like 30 minutes before
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: lock is like, I just got to go upstairs and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: just fire something in. I think I had like seven
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: K in action or something. I just had to fill
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: these lineups. I'm like, at this point, I don't care.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I like, I'll take the loss. I went, went upstairs, uh,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: when my office for like five minutes and just fire,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, they probably had to be like the worst
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: lineups ever. Just fire them, fired them in, ship that
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: for like, I think it was like 20, 20 some
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: K ended up winning the slate. So hopefully that happens
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: for you tonight.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be great. That would definitely be great.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Hey, we said week eight is going to be great.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I know some people hate this week eight, but it's
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: not over yet. So you can still get yours tonight,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: but very, very great week eight for Mr.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Rio.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: So we appreciate you, man. Thank you again for hopping
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: on and doing this. It's going to be awesome. Yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Thank you guys. Thank you everybody again for reaching out. Um, yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I'll be tuning into the show the rest of the way,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: but I'm going to hop out of here and I'll
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: let you guys.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Get to it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Nobody wants to hear me yapping anymore. I've gone almost
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: 30 minutes. I'll let you guys get into the actual breakdowns.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Ride the high for a couple more days.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You deserve it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Sounds good. All right.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I'll see you guys.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Congrats again.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, man.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Back to it. Shout out to Rio, man. That's just
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: an incredible story journey. You know, like title said, I think,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: did you mean him saying them? I did in Denver.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Was that the NBA live final in Denver? You were
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: the one before that.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I was the one actually. Yeah, that was the exact one.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: That was the exact one.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: So that was sweet. Yeah, so we met him then,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: and obviously, you know, you guys have hung out at
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: a bunch of different events, things like that. I've been fortunate.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Rio took me to a couple different live finals, got
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: to meet his brother, his dad, his family. Just awesome
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: all around, dude. What you see is what you get.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a lot of people over at Ship
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: It Nation, but Rio, truly outstanding. Great TFS player, even
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: better person. So shout out to him. And just, I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: the next day, the morning after, texted me, be like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: let's do this. Like, this guy is awesome, man. Just
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: love to see that. So, all right. We do have some...
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Other things to talk about. I will say just from
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: a quick note, if you did want to get in
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: over at the Ship It Nation community, we did launch
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the rest of season packages today. So you guys can
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: check those out. They're over on the site. Go to shipitnation.com.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Just go down to the single sport NFL. There's no
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: code needed. That is the rest of season right through
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. But we do have some showdown to talk about.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Anything else you want to finalize there with the real conversation?
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: And if not, we can hop right into it. We've
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: got the Bears at the Seahawks. A fun one for tonight.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Trying to play running back roulette. for this slate, but
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: anything else there with the Rio interview, if you will.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I can talk about it for hours, man.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: It's just so exciting to, to see that. And, um,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you know, rooting out, like you said, the main thing,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of people struggle with rooting for, for others.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And I think that's where our, uh, community differentiates itself from,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: from basically anywhere else where it's like, man, like everyone's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: in there rooting them in. I got my ass kicked yesterday.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of other people that were cheering
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: for him got their ass kicked and they're in there
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: rooting him, rooting him along to the Millie win. It's just,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: it's really cool to see. And again, I mean, I'll
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: reiterate it. And I'd say the same about you guys
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: as well that I said about Rio. It's like you
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: see someone absolutely busting their ass. And that's, I mean,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: going back to the Rio thing, when we started this up,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Rio was entitled, you had introduced us to, actually, yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that's how it happened. You introduced us to Rio and
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you basically said this guy is the dude. He grinds
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: his ass off and just a super good person.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Like, sweet.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And met with him once. All right. Now you're the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: head of NBA here at Shippen Nation. It was just like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you know, not like it was like. I guess, love
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: at first sight, essentially not in that way, but you
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? From a business, from, from a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: business perspective and we were in, and I mean, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he would start doing the NBA content like the, the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: night before. I mean, he was busting his ass and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: from the playing side, you know, success. And then it's
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: hard nowadays. I mean, you don't see a lot of
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: people continue to get better and better and better. You
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: see the people that are at the top starting to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: come down, come down, come down. He continues to get better, better,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: better up there in multiple sports. And, you know, it's the,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the hard work for sure is paying off and you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: absolutely love to see it. And just reiterating what I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: said before, it's not just DFS applicable. You can apply
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: this to any aspect of life, whatever you're doing, uh,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: training for a sport, you know, trying to get better
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: at your, your job to get a promotion, whatever it
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: may be. Um, it's very cool, rewarding and inspiring to see, uh,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: someone put in that hard, that much hard work and
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: accomplish their, their main goals. So, um, We'll have to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: see if I said I could, we could talk about this.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I know all three of us could talk about it
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: for the next hour, hour and a half if we
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: want to, but we do have football to get to.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So we can kind of leave it on that note.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: If you guys want, we can get into the football.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. All, all of that was amazing. The, the big
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: extra takeaway, the bonus line for me was just take
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: titles advice on everything. Cause it's always been good. I
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: can't imagine. I can't remember first. I've known title for
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: a long time as well. Like you said, we'd say
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: the same thing for everybody on this panel, but I
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: don't know. any bad advice the title's ever given me.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: And then people just re solidified good advice that he's
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: been giving them with Rio talking about the highs and
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: the lows. Love that. And then, um, you know, him
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: introducing us to Rio and saying like, this is the,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: you'll put a bet on this guy, basically, but that's not,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: don't go against titles bets very often either. So title,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: you want to talk about there further? If not, let's
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: get to this bear Seahawks game.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: We'll get it rolled.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I got to start tailing Rio more.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: His bets are a little better than my bets, but no,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, I knew right when you asked the question,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: I knew what he was going to say. Cause I, Yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, as a gambler, as anything, when you have
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: money in the game and you lose more than you win,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: that's the nature of what we play. Don't get too
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: high on your highs. Don't get too low on your lows.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: I think that's great life advice for many of things. Yeah,
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: get a little higher than you usually would have, not literally,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: whatever you want to do.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Some people limit it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. I don't win this big. But I think
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: it's very important. And, hey, I mean, I'm human. I
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: have to remind myself, week two or week three, it's like,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: all right, dial back in.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Listen to your own advice.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: And yeah, just really happy two people hoop and a
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: real Millie makers.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You were almost there, Tambo. I think you're next.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Cause you play a little more of that stuff than me,
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: but maybe one day all of us will get there.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: That's the key, man. Just got to keep playing the game.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: That's the fun in it. So yeah, we're right back
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: to the grind. Weekend is not over. We've got a
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: football game tonight. It is Monday night football. We've got
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the bears at the Seahawks, a little bit of running
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: back roulette. We're going to talk about that with the
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Seahawks with, Charbonnet and Price and Wilson and Helani and whatever.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: We'll see who's inactive and what ends up happening once
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: we get closer to the game, but really can't build
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: much till we get there, but we'll break it down.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Other than that here, a lot of injuries to the
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Seahawks side for guys that are out. So we'll talk with,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you know, Shahid, Belus Jones, already we're out of Royo.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: There's a bunch of guys out on that side, but Hoop,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: give us your grand scheme overview here for this slate.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: We've got Bears at the Seahawks.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you look at it and you got, you know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: probably one of the best offenses in football in the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Bears traveling to I don't know, probably the best defense
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean, the Seahawks defense is no joke.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Just shut down the Chiefs. I mean, they're very, very good. So,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: you know, what gives here is truly the big question.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But for DFS, you know, it is somewhat difficult from
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the standpoint of, you know, usually when we play DFS
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: on the full slates, like you're picking on the bad defenses.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: You don't really want to pick players against the good defenses,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: but we have showdown here. So we're forced to kind
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: of go against the really good defenses. In the Seahawks.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing that definitely stands out to
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: me is making the case for captains tonight, because it
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: is very difficult. You look at the projections and, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: JSN is going to be way above everyone else in
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: terms of projections on the slate. And again, making the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: case for other guys is pretty difficult. So I think
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: that is really where the challenge lies on the slate. Like,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: what do you do at the captain position? And then,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like you said, we have, you know, Seahawks now running
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: multiple running backs. We have the injury with Shahid. So
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: looking forward to this game for sure. But again, the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: challenging part here for showdown is, you know, what do
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: we do at captain?
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got to see, again, some of the news
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: when it will come out. But like you said, we
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: definitely don't have one of those balanced captain slates tonight.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: It is JSN heavy up top. I mean, there are
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: three and a half point favorites. It's not like they're
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: mass favorites here against Chicago. We'll see what Chicago does tonight.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: They bolstered up, right? They got Jeffrey Simmons this last week.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: So trying to get their defense in line a little
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: bit more. It's saying that he should play tonight and
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: could be held in check a little bit from a
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: full workload. But just coming across with all the trade stuff.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: But we'll see how that all shakes out. Title, your
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: first thoughts. here on this game. And then we'll get
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: right into the captain conversation. Yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: The captain thing, obviously very, I mean, you know where
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: it's going. The other thing that stood out to me,
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: only three point favorites are the Seahawks, but I mean,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: field's going to build like their 10 point favorites. Now,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the reason for that is the value, no rich or
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: no Shahid, but you don't think probably is too important,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: but on a slate that's relatively tight in pricing and
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: you need value wide receiver to Cooper cup, 4,800 Torrey Horton,
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: wide receiver three, 2,800.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: A.J. Barner steps into even bigger role, 4,600.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Where you go to the Bears side, clear running back one, Swift, expensive.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Burden, Odunze, expensive. Loveland, expensive.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: The only one that's like okay to click, Kalief Raymond,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: maybe Roshon Johnson, but it's going to be a lot
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: of four twos, even five one Seahawks more than you
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: think when you just look at the spread.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree on that heavily. And it's also just
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: because it also it feels cleaner. Like people build it out.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: They're already going to want JSA. And if you can
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: put those guys in it and the other thing too,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: on the Seahawks side, and we'll get to it when
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: we go position by position to the running back stuff.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: But when people don't feel comfortable about that, even when
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the news comes out and we have everything, the final
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: stuff within actives and everything, people will still be trying
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: to look for a way to just move past that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: When you have cup Horton Barner as the fill-ins there,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I think that's what makes for those builds. And you
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: said it right. They're building like it's 10 point favorites
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: or something. So yeah, Hoop, I'll start with you on
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: the captains. We know JSN, we're pushing, you know, 25
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: to 30% up there pretty easily, I think with him.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: But after that, I mean, not many Chicago captains outside
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: of Swift, even on the Seahawks side, it's Darnold is
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: popping up. Not sure if you did a dry run yet,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: but it is kind of looking like, you know, JSN, Darnold, Swift,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: and then maybe, you know, a couple of different places
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: after that, but not too much that people want to
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: move to differently. What are you doing here?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get us a dry run build as well
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: so we can kind of talk through it. But like
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I said, it's difficult up top. I mean, JSN has
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the massive projection way higher than everyone else really on
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the slate. So the challenging thing is like, who do
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you play outside of him up top? And I definitely
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: want him. I want to be overweight on him. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: we're showing the ownership to be 25%. And I think
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: needs putting the common in there. It is restrictive. If
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you go with him up top.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's expensive, so you do have to make
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: some sacrifices. So what do you do after him? The
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: one I don't like is the one that's getting the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: next most ownership it looks like. And that is Deandre Swift.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Like I do not want to play Deandre Swift up top.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I hope that is the case. I mean, this Seahawks
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: run defense is, Really, really good. And I just I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: don't have much interest playing him up top. I'll go
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: with the pass catchers over him. So I hope that
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: holds true where Swift is the second most popular because
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I'll play Burden, Loveland, Caleb Williams. I'll play those guys
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: over Swift, kind of get easily get overweight on all
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: those other guys and just pass on Swift. So my
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: initial plan is heavy JSN, some Burden, some Loveland, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: then some Caleb Williams. And that is honestly probably it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I'm probably just cut it off at that point and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: just roll with those four or five guys. I'm not
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: playing Darnold up top. If Darnold has a big game,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: it most likely goes all through JSN, and you're just
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: going to need JSN up top. So I'm going to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: keep it pretty tight. JSN, Caleb, Burden, and Loveland is
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm looking at.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Title, what's your thoughts there? Because already, you know, sparking
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: conversations in the YouTube chat about the quarterbacks, which we'll
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: get there later. But just in general, JSN, your thoughts
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: there and then where you can move to from there
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: to different positions, different options, I should say, at the
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: captain spot.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I love JSN for sure. No hot take. Yesterday, Daniels, though,
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: I think he was like 34%. I had like 50-something
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: at captain. Didn't work out, but I'm fine. It just
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: shows I'm fine getting well overweight, even if they are
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: mega chalk. Definitely on different sides with Swift, though. He's
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: my second favorite. He's minus 110 to score, which is
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: tied with JSN for the most in the game. The
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: next highest is Charbonnet, plus 135. Then you're in the
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: plus 200 range. He's also like minus 185 to catch
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: three passes. So I think there's a lot of different
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: outs for Swift to get there last week without Mnangai,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: who obviously is out again. 86% of snaps. You give
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: me any talented running back that's playing that much and
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: can catch pass out of the backfield. by far my
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: second favorite. Kale Williams, my third favorite, can use his legs,
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: can throw it to different options. I already mentioned Swift, Burden, Loveland, Adunze.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: Not hard to see him being optimal. Then yeah, it
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: falls off for me after that. Good with Burden. I
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: am fine with Sam Darnold. Just hoping that Ben Johnson,
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: and I know Ben Johnson's the offense of mine, but
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: you'd be silly to think he's not in defensive meetings
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: or at least, all right, it's clear. JSN's the guy.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: How can we try and slow him down a little bit?
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: So I'm hoping that especially because Torrey Horton's going to
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: be owned, Barner's going to be owned, Cup's going to
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: be owned a little bit. How do you get different
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: with that? I think Darnold, that captain, I'm not even
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: necessarily sure I believe 9%. People just don't love playing
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: Sam Darnold, that captain, when they just know it's JSN.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: So I would say Darnold number four, kind of with Burden,
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: but I'm going to keep it tight. JSN, Swift, for sure,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: my favorites, and Caleb after that.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we got to convince Hoop because I'm
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: going to go with that title advice again. And we
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: got to try and convince him to this because I
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: think it's really interesting. Like what Hoop said is right.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: It's hard to run on them. I'm more thinking it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: going to be like dump off, dump off, dump off.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: And then he is talented and capable. You look at
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: the stone over at Ship It Nation. Look at the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: captain's ceilings. They're not as far apart as one might think.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: And you could say, well, I believe it's actually this.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: That's true and fair that you could make that statement.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: But also then it's built into the 14, seven at
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: the captain as opposed to 18. And then to Nate's point,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: which I do like is a lot of the, you
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: can say we're, we're all going to have a ton
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: of JSN. Everybody is, but there's only so many ways
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: that we can actually get different once you go there. So, um,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: and I don't think also I will bring this up
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: quickly too. I think it was nuance had it in there.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Still more sneaky than most, because people watching this are
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: more dialed into the bubble than the people that aren't.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Most people that just put JSN on top immediately put
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Darnold in. But just so you know, optimizers with good
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: data and good stuff that are doing it tonight, they
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: know that you don't need Darnold in the flex with JSN.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: So you're not going to get as far ahead as
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: you think. It's definitely still a good move, because like
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: we said, we're in a bubble. But I do think
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: that's somewhat interesting too. So there's only so many ways...
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: that you can get different there. So we will have
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to play others. So what do you think, Coop? A
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: little more swift, we can get them into your pool?
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe. I just, I don't know. This
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: run defense is super, super legit. And I can see
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: him like 20 carries for like 70 yards and two
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: catches for like 10 yards or something. I'm just, I
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: don't love it. I mean, but.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe he could still be good at those numbers.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: What do you think the final score? We always ask
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: to chat this, but I'm curious from your perspective, Hoop, here. Like,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: it's really tricky for me to put my finger on
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: that one. It's like a 40. It's a higher total
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: than I would have expected.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Same, yeah. Yeah, same.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: You could go back and forth, but what do you
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: think the total, what do you think the final game
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: score is something like, or what type of score could
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: you see roughly?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: The range of outcomes to me is just very large
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in this game internally. I could see it being like
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: 13 to 10, and I could see it being like,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: 35 to 30 or so i mean i could see
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: it all over the map i guess i i really
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: struggle to to you know pinpoint where it's going to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: be i mean it could be anywhere so um i
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: don't know i don't have a good answer that's why.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I asked but i was just curious because it does
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: kind of to me tie a little bit more to
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: the swift stuff you can play swift than anything i
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: get it like but but title are you thinking high
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: score low score you're just on first glance what are
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: you thinking If.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I had to bet, I'd bet the over.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: But 28-24, I'll say something like that, which is a
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: good bet over or good. It's well over the over
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: the 46 and a half. But no confidence. I'm not
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: putting my heart and money on it. So take it
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: with a grain of salt.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. No, I was going to be separate from that.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I was just going to.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Say quickly, they just heard us all say, take titles advice.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: And now the sports books are just getting crushed with
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: exact score.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: 28, 24.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I'll do that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: To the maximum level. Now, like, Hey, they say that
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: bet every bet he bets, but go ahead.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Sorry. I was going to say one thing you guys
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: brought up that I think that is definitely important is
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: if you do play a JSN captain, do not think
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that your next click needs to be Sam Darnold flux.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think you need that at all. And
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of people just do that by nature. If
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: they're playing a, captain pass catcher, they think they have
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: to put in the quarterback. And a lot of times
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: it's the right move. Like it definitely is the right
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: move more times than not. But tonight, I don't think
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: it's a necessity. I actually like it better with, you know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: JSN up top and Caleb in there over Sam Darnold.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely a good way to go about it. And
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I think just go back to captains for a second,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: because just using the Caleb conversation as well as if
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: you don't, you know, if you want to get different altogether,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: if people are on JSN, they're on Darnold, JSN lineups
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: lead to Torrey Hortons and Barners and all those guys
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: down there. We know what Darnold lineups lead to, JSN,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: and then still down there with those guys because if
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: you're putting him, you're going to want to put multiple
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: pass catchers in. So it's like at least one of
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: those two probably with JSN. If you go Swift up top,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: those guys can still be used on the run back
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: because you get JSN. And then once you go Swift, JSN,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: and whatever else, you're probably running out of money too.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: If you go Caleb up top, that's where you can
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: start getting into the Kalief Raymonds of the world and
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: all of the stuff that are literally flipping that build
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: up some for you. So I do think Caleb is
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: interesting up there. He's not DeAndre Swift. He's not Darnold
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: on the opposite side, up, up, down, all around. However,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: the game goes over or under, I think it could
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: still make sense and gets you a bit of a
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: more unique build. And then the only other thing is like,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: nobody really wants these guys, but you know, burden Odunze, uh,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just, anything on those guys title,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: if you think about flipping it some or like a two, four, or,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: you know, we talk about it all the time, like
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: go doomsday up top or burden up top with Caleb
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: and then other side. Is there any interest in any
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: of that that you can think of?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Definitely burden.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, his upset, we just saw, was it like
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: two showdown game slates or like, like he just absolutely nuked.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: He's I know a doomsday is out snapping them. And
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: a doomsday is look closer to burden this year than
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: I expected coming into the year. But it still feels
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: like if someone's a, someone not named JSN or Swift
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: is the leading or Caleb or whatever, not the leading
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: score on the slate. Burden feels like he has the
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: most 120 yard, two touchdown upside. So he'd be the
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: guy of the most interest in, if you're playing a
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: bunch of teams, sure. You can play Loveland and Dunesay. Heck,
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: we just saw fricking whatever the Stevens or whatever the
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: kicker was captain optimal yesterday. So when, when that happens,
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: usually it's lower scoring games or yeah, just blow it
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: or something.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, hopefully we don't get that today.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be a spot tonight if it is
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: the under type of game where you don't need, like
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: somebody said in the chat, the first prophet said, don't
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: need any quarterbacks. We'll get to that in a second.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I will say this, though, too. People get this stuff
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: confused all the time. This could be a great bet.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: And then Swift could still be needed in DFS tonight.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Like it's just how people view stuff. Well, if he's
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: not going to rush for 60 yards, he's not going
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: to be useful at all. We don't know yet. And like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: if it was an under and he caught a bunch
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: of passes and got the touchdowns, he could have 48 yards,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: have two touchdowns, just the way it works. Odunze get,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: you know, um, dpis and stuff like that and he
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: gets these touchdowns that way it's like yeah if you
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: say yesterday people always view that and they always go
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: to the negative outlook of it okay you say yesterday
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: the buccaneers are going to complete zero passes today oh
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: man i gotta go bad against them there's no way
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: they're going to win the game if they're not going
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: to complete any passes well actually they won 16 it
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: was a shutout i think 16.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah 16 nothing one of the craziest stat lines of
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: all time i mean man weather i don't want to
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: get into that stuff but man it's gosh i i
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: should have wanted to be a meteorologist and then play
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: dfs on weather slates because yeah if i knew i.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Think you're making more than the dfs meteorologist make.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I guess man if i knew it was gonna look
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: like that i could have made all my i could
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: have made a million betting yesterday and uh and that
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: that's that was wild so tilting yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: All right it's too good all right um one thing
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: about the quarterbacks is usually we just say this and like,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: we literally just talked about them and captain and we've
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: been trying to like gear it when we get to
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: the position by position to the flex today, at least
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: is somewhat interesting hoop already kind of mentioned it. So hoop,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I'll stay with you. But like the idea of the
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: chat mentioned it, you mentioned it. You could definitely just
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: run a JSN up top. Um, no quarterback shit. We
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: saw a Mackay lemon one five the other night with
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: no quarterback in the flex or last week or whatever
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: it was. And so, you know, anything is possible in
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: that perspective, but on this slate more so than others.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: And especially if you saw a game that did, get
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: some defense back and forth and play to the under
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: you could see it where there's no quarterbacks needed at
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: all do you think you'll run any lineups we joke
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: about double kicker hoop and double d's and all that
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: stuff but any thoughts on no qbs i think it's.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah it has a chance i think i'm a little
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: distracted though by the weather i know i'm kind of
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: curious what was i don't want to i don't want
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to dunk on someone but what What was the weather
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: rating for that game?
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not high enough.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as the game comes on, it's like
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a freaking hurricane. So it's like, okay.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: And again, I'm not trying to go after it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: No, no, but it's like.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Because I follow him every time. I could do my
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: own research.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes back to the main point, though.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: It's like, man.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Like, what's the saying? You had one job, man.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: I wish I didn't even bring anything up because I
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: have followed him for many of years and he's done
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: me a lot more right than bad. So I'm not
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: here to, I just, I wish I did my own research.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: And yeah, because if that was the case, yeah, you could,
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, special prediction markets nowadays, you can get as
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: much money possible down. And there was no chance you
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: could see first drive that that ball was getting thrown
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: in the air.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: There's no third and nines were handoffs. Shout out Bucky Irving.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: That dude is a monster.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a beast. But if you had proper
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: info on that game, we could have hit the Millie alongside.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: We could have hit it alongside Rio without even winning.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Less of a sweat.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Way less of a sweat.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Hoop got so distracted.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know your question.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I caught the last three words.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it was a sufficient answer. I don't know.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: The chat's backing him up now. Our boy Hamhock said
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: he said that he was going to downpour on Twitter
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: before kickoff. So I guess title, it stands for taking
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: the latest expectations t-i-t-l-e taking the latest expectations you.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: Gotta look at that my fault i'll take the blame
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: for i'm not blaming anybody i can do my own
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: research and i didn't do it so.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: You can stay boys now you can stay homies with.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: Your guy yeah i mean he knows he doesn't even
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: probably know who the heck i am so You always.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Do in the shout-out, though, which is appreciated. You're never
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: going to say anything bad about anyone, and you're still not,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: which is amazing. So we're good with it. What we
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: were talking about, Hoop, was these quarterbacks. And everyone wants
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: to talk about the running backs anyway, so we'll get
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: there soon. But it was just about on this slate,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: you could swap two QBs possibly for double Ds and
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: get two defenses in there instead and play to the
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: under and just get no quarterbacks at all and just
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: rack it up that way. What do you think?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I'm down a rabbit hole now. I'm fully, I'm fine.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: He's double checking, man.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I'm locked back in. I say it one more time.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: We'll go to title on this one. Title. Do you
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: think you would build some lineups tonight with no quarterbacks
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: at all?
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, but when you do, you're definitely playing to the under.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: I'm almost definitely playing JSN. I'm almost definitely playing DeAndre Swift.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: I almost want a price or Charbonnet, which aren't the
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: most comfortable clicks, but you're pretty much saying that they're
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: all pretty much rushing touchdowns or lower, probably almost at
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: least one defense. And then almost maybe at least one kicker.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't do the kicker thing for sure. No quarterbacks though.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: 10.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: You typically do want a defense in there. At least one,
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: you would have to think that Swift or Charbonnet price
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: or getting rushing touchdowns instead of throwing. And then JSN,
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: just a PPR monster. So I could, I could see
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: it in this game. I think I'm more worried about Caleb.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: I'd rather Seahawks defense, I think, because Caleb just has
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: so many outs with his legs that 11 points still
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: could be optimal at there. So I'll have some.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: It's always tough for me, though. But yeah, today's a
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: slate where I could totally see it. What about you?
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: We're only slightly removed from Halloween. So, you know, we
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: could see some ghosts. That's, that's Sam Darnold. If we
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: get the bears D on the other side, but who's
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: still digging for carrots over there. I don't have any money, any,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: any more to really add on the quarterback stuff, but
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I will say you mentioned price and Charbonnet. So I'll
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: let you segue it into that. Unless who has his findings.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: He, No, we don't need his findings. Let's go. Let's
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: move on to running back.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: I should have never brought it up.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I love title, man. He's just too nice.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Keep going.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Keep going.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: There is a conversation to be had here. You got
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: the props. You're looking at the boards. They're hiding some
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: of them because they're not even sure if Yeah. But
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: how do you really see this playing out? It was like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: so price is off the IR, but still could do
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: whatever they want with him. They've got Emmanuel Wilson. They
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: have Halani who's been running routes and catching passes and
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: doing all this stuff. And then they're missing guys that are,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: they usually have catching passes. And then you've also got
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Sharps who's off the ACL, but you know, expected to
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: be back and good to go, but are they going
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: to ease them in? Like, how do you see this
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: playing out on the Seahawks side for starters?
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: I think Emmanuel Wilson's played good enough for sure where
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: he's going to be in the rotation as well. You
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: really can't take him off the field all game. Price
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: coming back his first week, Charbonnet coming back his first week.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: I'm going to agree with props and just think Charbonnet
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: is their goal linebacker. He's plus 135, where you have
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: Emmanuel Wilson and Price both plus 350, which leads me
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: to Charbonnet probably be my favorite just for that reason.
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: Price looked good before he... got injured, but they were
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: very hesitant. Like the first game of the year, like
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: he was crushing and they just did not want to
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: feed him the ball. So I'm very nervous about price
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: at his price. So yeah, I plan on being underweight him.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: Emmanuel Wilson's just so low owned. What are we showing
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: right now? 5% him, whereas it's 20% price and 21 Charbonnet.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: I'd rank him Charbonnet Wilson price today. And I'm confident
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: that sharps the goal line back, but at these prices,
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: like they're seven, four or seven, four Wilson, seven K
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: Charbonnet six, four price. They need to really do something.
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: And that's why their ownership is going to be really low.
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: I like a more non QB lineups. Like we're talking
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: if lower scoring games, if you see it that way,
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Charbonnet is definitely my favorite though. Again, mainly because I
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: think he has the goal line equity on the bear side.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: I definitely need Roshan Johnson at 3,400 too. We're talking
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: about how bad the value is, especially on the bear side.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: 8% owned. Again, Swift did play a lot last week. 84,
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: 86% to 14% of snaps. But I didn't think Roshan
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: looked too bad so far in some of his carries.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: And especially if Seattle does stuff, DeAndre Swift or make
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: it tough on him, maybe Ben Johnson wants a little
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: change of pace. So to be honest, at ownership in
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: the flex, I think Roshan might be my favorite. But
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: it also gets away from the 5-1, the 4-2 Seahawks
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: more and gets you on 3-3 stuff or maybe 4-2
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: Bears more. And he fits that a lot easier because
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: you're getting away from the Hortons of the world.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: So we've got to figure out here. Tyler, tell us
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: what to do with this running back spot. He says,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: got to think Seattle. This is interesting to me, though,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: because he says, got to think Seattle wants to get
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: the run game going to ease the workload off JSN.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: And Darnold Sharps also has decent pass catching ability. Yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: you know, all makes sense. The one big thing. for
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: me with this is like, this is, if you have
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: a JSN captain, even when there's some sort of clarity,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: we get closer to lock. I just, people just don't
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: want these running backs. Like hoop said earlier, you got, sorry, uh,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Nate said in the chat earlier, you gotta, you get
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: forced into a build that puts you, puts you down below.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: So you're gonna, you're gonna see that be a way
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: to sort of slice and dice it a little bit.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: But also if you think that's the case, then you
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: got to account for that when you're not putting JSN
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: up top, because then it's kind of like, um, we
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: reviewed Rio's lineup yesterday and everyone was like, it's crazy.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: He had two tight ends and, phantom was one of
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: them but he had wilson over here it's like he
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: played two cheap tight ends the only guy that really
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: had ownership at expensive tight end was mcbride and he
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: accounted for that in that line i know an optimizer
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: did it but i'm saying at the end of the
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: day that's how the that's how it's thinking we.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Talked about on the show too a lot of that
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: we talked burrow we loved chase higgins spend up every
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: wide receiver don't punt the value michael wilson higgins chase
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: and i i mean double tight ends bent sharp almost
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: every single week and we made sure to say that
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: on the show And I didn't want to victory lap
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: any of that because, yeah, we didn't win any of
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: the money. But it was really, really clear, especially Gunnar Helm,
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: who we talked about. I even said that's my favorite
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: value in that game because Wandale, I'm the more or
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: I'm in or whatever the heck.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: His name is. They're all cheeks. Wandale got lucky to
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: even get there. They're way higher on when.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Manure is like cow poop. That's amazing. He just said
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: he's like he's cow. He's pure shit.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: All right, go ahead.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Whatever it was.
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: But I mean, like, yeah, whatever people want. That was
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: a beautifully constructed team. And yeah, I didn't even. put
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: together the fan and against Steelers defense. And to be honest,
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: I like hardly even looked at that game because it
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: was such a block. I didn't not, I didn't know
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: fan and did anything until I.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Saw the most surprising part of the lineup. I was like,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, where did that come from?
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. He was also against the
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: chalky spend up defense. Again, people, this is the best
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: part about DFS. Cause you guys know, I love the
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: education side and DFS mastermind, all that stuff and get in,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: take down breakdown for years. Nobody watches it. It's like, well, sweet.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: We'll just keep learning from guys like Rio. They got
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: the sauce and put it out there. And we look
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: into all these portfolios and shit and see what people
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: are up to. And then you can go out and play.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Rio literally was on there, texted in the chat about
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: what he was doing, how he, he went and adjusted
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: all the defenses. when you adjust all the pay up
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: defenses and move them up, it made it so you
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: could now get cheap double tight end lineups, which not
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: as many people were on as usual. We'd seen it
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: all season long, not as many this week because so
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: many running backs and we already had cheap wide receivers.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: So you don't need to do this stuff. It just
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: was beautiful the way it was all put together, but
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: he controlled it and it worked out and that's the
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: best part of it. But you can go check that
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: out earlier. It's a free show. Take down, break down.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Rio's right on there talking about how he built his
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: portfolio for the Millie maker yesterday. So, Hoop, I'll go
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: to you on these running backs and get some thoughts here.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I do like one, all the Seattle stuff's great, but
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: I love what title brought up about Roshan. 3,400, you
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: already didn't love Swift. And so even, especially if you're
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: talking in the flex particularly and using them there, you
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: could have Roshan at 34 when most will be on
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Torrey Horton at $ 2, 800. He's right there as a flip.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: There's other guys too. I'm just saying that that stands
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: out to me right away as a thought.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely like Swift. Way more in the flex.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I just, it's a high floor sort of play. I just,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I'm struggling to find the ceiling, I guess, in the play.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, they obviously could get there with that sort
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: of workload, but I like the high floor nature of Swiss.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: So good with him in the flex and good with
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Roshan Johnson. The Seattle stuff is definitely way more difficult
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: just because the price tags are all up there. So
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: you're paying a premium. And like we always say in
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the show, like their price where, I mean, Charbonnet and
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Price are Price where you got to do something plus.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: So you got to do something and then you probably
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: got to do a little bit more. It's not just,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: you know, fall in the end zone. They probably need
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: some yards to come along with it. So they're at
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the do something plus range and I'm kind of uncomfortable
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: with that. So I'll just rank them. Swift, Johnson, Charbonnet,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: then Price and Emmanuel Wilson at 7,400 just to me
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: just has to be unplayable.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Trying to see this here too just to see there
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: was from one hour ago talking about his judarian price
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: playing against the bears i don't see any real we
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: have we have a plan for zach and with jd said.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: On saturday doesn't have a designation so i'm assuming he's in.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: The Seahawks don't have to activate Price on Monday, but
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: they have two more weeks to make a decision on
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: his status before they'd be required to move to seizing
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: ending injured reserve. So this is from an hour ago,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: but on the chance, it says on the off chance
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: that he isn't activated for week eight sharp. would likely
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: share the workload with Wilson, which we know all this.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, Try to get the latest news. That's
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: from one hour ago. So it's the best we can
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: get up to date for you guys on this show.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: But wide receiver, then hoop. I'll let you go ahead
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: with that one. I am the other stuff. I'm going
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: to wait to figure out, but I'll let you start
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: at wide receiver there beyond just, we know JSN, but
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: you know, no Shahid, right? No Vilas Jones Jr. They're already,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: we're missing some guys and have guys out, but give
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: us your thoughts here at wide receiver.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: They have pretty clear, clean position. I should say in
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: terms of like who you want on the Seattle side, clearly,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you know, JSN, cooper cup in theory should get a
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: little bit of a boost but i don't know if
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: he really does i mean to me horton is more
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: of like a a pass catching guy than shaheed so
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: he's kind of turned into this gimmicky you know just
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: random player punt return sort of thing so you know
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: jsn cooper cup in the flex i guess horton i
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: think it's really good value at you know 2800 He's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: looked good in the past when he's given opportunities. The ownership,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I guess, could be maybe a little concerning. Oh, yeah. No,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're showing under 20. So as long as
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: that remains in place, I mean, a really strong option.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I think Horton is on the bear side. Burden, Dunzey,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: and then Raymond. And I just don't really want to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: mess with the super cheap dudes. I just don't think
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: it's all that needed. So kind of just sticking with
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the main guys. Horton's a phenomenal value on the slate. And,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: you know, hopefully the ownership stays below 20, which, you know,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: if it does, there's no concern there. I guess I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: thought Horton would be just much higher on knowing that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Shaheed Dollar is only 2,800. We're showing 15. I just
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: looked at another source. They're under 20% as well. So
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: it seems like that could be the case. And if
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: that is the case, just to make some really good play. Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: I think we'll see how it shakes out by lock.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: The other thing, that's why I kept mentioning the other
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: is like, he, I think he's also, um, everyone's double
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: dip hope on this slate because with no Shahid and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: no Velas Jones jr. You're getting him sliding in for
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: potentially both roles, right? Punt returner, kick returner, whatever they
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: decide to use them like on offense they have in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: the past. So It just shows, right, you know, this
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: position is quite interesting for this slate outside of all
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: the running back conversation title. But, you know, Kopp is
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: right in the middle there and he's kind of getting
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: held in check as well because most of the builds
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: don't land on him or most builds already are accounting
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: for JSN, as we know, and for good reason. So
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, I don't need Kopp too, do I?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: Or I wouldn't get to Kopp too. So you think
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: about that and how it sort of fits into it.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: And then, of course, the Chicago guys not getting much
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: love at all on this slate. So give me your
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: thoughts of the wide receiver position.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, starting with Seattle, I agree with Maids here. I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: think it's probably going to be about 30%. I'm going
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: to update how I build and put that in. I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: just don't see any way. I don't know where people
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: would really go in terms of value. And I still
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: am going to play some at 30%. He's going to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: be out there a bunch, and I think he's actually
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: a pretty good receiver. Just don't zero it out or
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: leave 200, and I don't know. I just don't think
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: he's 15%, which then makes Cup even more intriguing for
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: me since I do think he stays where he's at
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: and has some leverage there if Cup has– A great game.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: Torrey Horton probably isn't having as good of one. JSN,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, just seeing him 58% in the flex, I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: just think naturally I'm going to be overweight captain, underweight flex.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: Hope he fully gets there or really flops and then
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: gets outscored by Caleb or Darnold or some other spend-ups.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: On the Bears side, I talked about Luther. Love him,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: and I like him more in flex, but I'm fine
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: with him captain. To be honest, I like all these
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: Bears guys, and it kind of comes back to an
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: all-these-Bears guy, meaning a dunesay, Kalief Raymond and Burden. And
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: it comes back to when you are overweight on these guys,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: it's easier to get off the 4-2, 5-1 Seahawks and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: tilt it more to the Bears stuff. So, yeah, I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: definitely like the Bears receivers, all three of them. They
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: play three receivers. It's those three every single time pretty much.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: They're not really rotating anyone else in. Zavian Thomas, Jadae Walker. Like, yeah,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: if you're playing 150, what did they get last week?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: Three snaps for Walker and five snaps for Thomas the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: week prior. was a little more, but I don't know
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: what happened in that game, if it was blood or
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: injuries or whatever, because that looked like an anomaly. So, Vernon, Odunze, Raymond,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: I think are all great flex plays.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, another one just because the chat said it. We're
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: all expecting Price to play. That's exactly what it is.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: But even this was another one just came up. I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: read it here. This was from just today. And it
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: says McDonald's said, it's their coach, that the coaching staff
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: has a plan for Charbonnet, but it was different for Price.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: He said, and with JD, I think if we were
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: to make a move, I think that would happen on Monday.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: So we'll, we'll see what's going to happen when we
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: get closer to, I would expect them, but just, you know,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: so people know we've got to, you got to still wait.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: You got to always wait for the latest information as
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: we talk about with weather and all those other things.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: So I'll be waiting to find that out, but going
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: back to it here, you know, burden Odunze for me,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: just looking at it from the other side, I think
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: just because they sort of split the middle, there's going
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: to be a more balanced roster construction. They're not able
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: to fit very easily. You can make anything work with
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: the values, but I mean, in a lineup that I
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: would want when you've got, I don't know, JSN, Darnold
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: and Horton. And then you can get to those guys. Great.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: But that's how everybody else would get to them too.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: So it's like just thinking about it from that perspective,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: it's going to be a little bit different. I think
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: it's crazy. Like you said earlier, title, how it's like
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: a three point game, but it's cool. We've seen crazy shit.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: happen all season. It would not be shocking to me
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: in the least. You talk about Ben Johnson being involved
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball as much just a
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: fired up head coach that he is. He wants to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: win this game. Everyone always gives these Seahawks the love.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: They're Super Bowl champions.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: This is it.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: We got to come out and get the job done.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: So I think those guys are just getting... really overlooked.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: And it's also because of not just the price in
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: the captain or JSM, but just the price in general.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Once you put a 12 K guy in there, even
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: in the flex, it's just not as a common to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: build where you're going to land on those guys on
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: the opposite side. So if they're held, I mean, I'm
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: seeing those guys both being around 35% or less combined
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: with their captain ownership. Like these are wide receiver ones
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: and twos for a team in a three point game
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: with a 46 point total that you said, baby could
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: go over. Like, How are you looking at this and
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: saying they should be that low-owned?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: But it's all down to roster construction. I think that's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: what it tells. So for me, pretty interesting for tonight's slate.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: The other side, Cup is probably the most interesting just
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: because the fact that he's just sliced up the middle
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: of all that stuff, right? It's going to be Horton
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: or JSN or both. And a lot of people will
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: struggle to get to all of them. He'll still be owned,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: but he's sub-20 altogether, it looks like, with captain and that.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: And again, not saying to get him up in the captain,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: but in the flex category. Could be interesting when you've
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: got that money to get to him as opposed to
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: just playing Horton. Most times leave the money on the table.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: But in this case, you know, you probably still have
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: some money on the table, but could still play a
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: guy that ends up being pretty low owned in the flex.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: So anything else to follow up with their hoop? If not,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: you can take us into the tight end position here.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, already like Colston, you know, potentially playing them
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: up top as well. I think Barner is, we've talked
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: about it with Seattle kind of wide receiver too, and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: he's only 4,600. So I really like Barner tonight. And then,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: you know, if you want some of these other guys,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I think there is better for like the quarterback captain
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: teams specifically Roush and that, you know, title's really good
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: about the snap count thing. I'm curious if you have
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: it up, how many snaps that guy got because he
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: has a decent projection. It looks like tonight, yeah.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: He played 14 snaps last week, but there's no Cole Komet.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: Cole Komet played in that last game. 10 receiving yards.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Komet, did he play the whole game, Komet?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: No, I think he got hurt, so he played.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point, yeah.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say he got hurt in the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: second half. I'm not 100% sure there, but.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because if he slides into that role, I mean,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: it's legit because Komet's out there quite a bit. So
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I do have interest in him at 1,200. Again, probably
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: better suited for, like, Caleb captain teams. But at 1,200, yeah,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: I'd be fine with that. But, you know, definitely Barner
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: a ton at 4,600, really good play. And I like Loveland, too.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: 530 left in the fourth quarter last game.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So he's right at the end. Okay.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, 10 receiving yards, a little juice on the over.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: So he's going to be out there. He's my favorite
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: tight end play.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Who's that?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Roush.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: He's 1,200.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: Again, when you're trying to get away from the Torrey Hortons,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: that's four or two Bears. Everyone's playing the Seattle stuff,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: so I'm trying to find value on the Bears side.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: I like the three main receivers. I think Roush is interesting,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: and I think Roush is interesting at 1,200.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Barner one, just going back to it,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I missed this earlier. I guess you could say it
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: for Loveland, but we like the Seahawks. I actually think
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Barner captain, now that I go back to it, just
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: looking at it, 6,900 bucks up top. I just don't
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: feel as good about it with... you know, like Horton
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: or cup or, you know, figuring it out. And even
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: the running backs go up to almost 10 to 11 K.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: So it's like, if I'm really trying to flip the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: bill and something that cuts in between all of it,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: it would probably be that. And then you could still play, um,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: GSN and the flex. Obviously it's like, again, depends on
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: how the game scores and how it plays out. But
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: I think Barner is more interesting there. I like him.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: I like your Roush call Loveland in the flex. I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: think he's sort of in that range. You've got Rome. Um,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: I probably would, I would probably still land on Rome
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: more than Loveland. just the spot here for 200 bucks less,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: lower owned. If you're bringing a bring back, I think
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of people just see Loveland and land on him.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: But I think Loveland is the guy with more one
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: up top and you think he's going to be part
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: of the reason the Bears win than I would have
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: just used them in that flex one off. Again, you're
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: going to have a bunch of lineups in a portfolio,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: so it's going to happen. But if you're hand building
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: one or you're thinking for yourself, I kind of like
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Odunze for $ 200 less, lower owned, and whatever else. But
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: not too much else at the tight end. We talked
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: defenses already, Hoop, a little bit earlier. But what do
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: you got for the kickers here? Santos and Myers. Where's
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: the game log watching?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Myers is one of my favorite dudes on the showdown slates.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's... We let's see. He hasn't had a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: it's not crazy, but he hasn't had a full bus
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: this year. I mean, six is the lowest. He's got
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: a 23 spot in there. He's got a nine, a
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: couple eights, a couple sevens. And this is a team
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: that will definitely settle for the field goal. Like they're
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: not super aggressive. They'll bank on their defense. So I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: really like Myers fine with Santos as well, but prefer Myers.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, Santos has some some big boy games as well.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: In terms of the defenses, you know, Seattle's defense, I think,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: is always a strong option. So probably, you know, more
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: defense than usual. But out of the four, Myers is
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: definitely my favorite. All right.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Title, anything you want to add on kickers and defenses here?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, probably going to be a donkey again and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: be overweight on these defenses because they're 12% and 12%,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: whereas the kickers are looking at double. I had a
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: bunch of commanders, I guess, yesterday, and it worked out.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: And when people are probably like, you said the over
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: and that again, I'm, I was asked a question.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I said it.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: I trust Vegas 46 and a half. That's not too
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: bad of one. And when I'm not playing quarterbacks or
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: if I'm underweight there, again, I do think it makes
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: a lot of sense to play a defense or if
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: you're not playing any quarterback in any lineup, I almost
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: surely would play, especially hand-building one.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, Sam Darnold, you mentioned, maybe he sees ghosts.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: He can't move. There's defense.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: I think it's pretty interesting. They get Simmons. Who knows
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: how much, He plays today. I think he'll be out
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: there a little bit, though. And I've already liked DeAndre
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: Swift quite a bit. It just just adds another reason
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: to like Bears defense, then control the game, play from
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: ahead and make the Seahawks get into very obvious passing situations.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot more to shake out with the slate
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: as we get closer to lock. Like we talked about waiting.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Somebody posted we only got an hour to go till
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: we get some of the news. So we'll see on
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: like the price stuff or all that stuff. But I
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: would say that it is really interesting to me if
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: this holds true on the kickers over the defenses. I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: would just flip those. right?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Play.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: I'd probably play more of the defenses, less of the kickers,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: but that's just on this slate. Depends on how you're building.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know. Like, I feel like the defenses,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: we always get this. And then they talk about like
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: offensive mind, Ben Johnson, like the other team with JSN
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: and the high powered this and all of that. Obviously
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: anything could happen. We talk about this all the time,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: but I think that, there's a chance that sometimes we
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: see those games and then the, the game is the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: defense showing up. And I know that people say, well,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: that could mean kickers too. It could, you might need
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of that. You might need kickers and defenses.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's weird to me that the kickers are,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: you know, 20 to 30% in some places. And then
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: the D's are, you know, 10 to 12 or something
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: like that. It just doesn't, it doesn't seem what I would,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: what I would have expected. So I'm good. I'm good
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: with the D's over the kickers here for sure. What
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: do you think on this?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: I just did my own research. I don't see anything,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: but take that with a grain of salt. It's going
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: to be a little cold.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: If it was titled the DFS weather, man, what color
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: code would you use?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Green. Green. Let's go, baby. We're in the green tonight.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: That's what it means.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Here we come.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: Turn on the game and it's raining in Seattle and
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: I'll just retire.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Oh man. Kickers have been pretty bad this season. When
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: you think about a lot of like, I just can,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: all I can think about is the misses. I guess
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: that's normal. It feels like all the time you just
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: see them line up and you're like, man, are they
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: even going to make this right now? You know, you're,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: you're already thinking about it before it even happens.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: So we'll see.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: All right. Fan duel hoop. Anything you see over on
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: the fan duel side of things when you first glance here?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: The Seattle running backs are just, even more expensive. Charbonnet 9,400, uh,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: price 86 and Emmanuel Wilson, $ 10, 000. So, uh, if you
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: want a super contrarian play on the slate, uh, Emmanuel
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Wilson at 10 K on, uh, on FanDuel. AJ Barner though, 3,000, 3K, super,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: super cheap over there. Um, is there anything else that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: stood out? Horton's down at 26. Uh, that Roush guy, uh,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: basically the minimum he's at 1200. So, you know, even
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: on FanDuel where like one touchdown is probably good enough.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Like he, he definitely fits it over there quite well.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Kind of it that stand, but what stands out? Yeah, definitely.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Those Seattle running backs are tough clicks for sure.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: People already love the quarterback and the top guy MVPs.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: So like, you know, title Darnold and JSN up top.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: But when you get that, when you get that burner price,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: over there, it just tells you where there's going to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: be 50% MVP on those two guys. Probably come on.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: And I get it. And I understand all of it.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, man, that is it's nuts. And then
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: it's sometimes it's a value play that just bolsters it, right?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: It makes it way easier to even get JSN up there. It's,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: makes you validate, okay, if I got Darnold, it's obviously
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: JSN and burner. I would think about that when you're
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: building as well, because a, it could be the running
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: game B, which nobody wants to take a shot on
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: them at those prices. And then B it's a, if
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: you go with Darnold and it's really hard to get
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: away from JSN, I get that. So then maybe it's,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: you know, cup instead of, you know, cup is up
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: at 5,400 over there. It seems disgusting.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: It's, but it's not disgusting enough that he can't get
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: there at that price tag. It's just, he's not 3k
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: like Barner. So I'll be looking at it from that perspective,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: at least on, on my end, anything else you saw
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: on the Fandles side? Yeah.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: The Torrey Horton, AJ Barner for sure. It'll be popular.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: Like we saw Roshan Johnson, a lot more expensive, 5,800
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: more than cup, more than Raymond.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: More than those guys. He's going to be really low owned.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: I think the Bears.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: Receivers and Colson Loveland have solid prices, 8-2 Burden, 7-6 Adunze,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: 7-2 Loveland, just relative to the.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: FanDuel slate.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: And the ownership, because they fit DraftKings scoring a little
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: more full point, I think at ownership they're also great plays.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: And then, yeah, kickers will be just like on DraftKings,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: a lot higher, maybe even more so on FanDuel than DraftKings.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: So I think defenses are elite over there as well.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: They get different.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: If this happens, we'll all be very excited, I think,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: based on what we've talked about on the show. I'll
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: take the one-yard tush-push for Barner.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: That's added value. And it just crushes Darnold and JSN
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: even more. Neither of them get acting on that, and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: so it's just him busting it in. I'd be thrilled.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: That's a possibility for sure.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: It's like I said, I think Barner is interesting, but
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: not like he's not going to be owned. It's just
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: how do people play him? That's what it's always going
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: to come down to. So I'm FanDuel, you know where
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: it's going to be. It's going to be right in the,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: the any flex with one of those two guys, his
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: dudes up top. So maybe it's a, you know, do
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: a Caleb captain where most would have Darnold and you're sorry,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Caleb MVP on FanDuel to stay with the FanDuel thoughts.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: And you've got, him in the flex that way. And
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: you've got a different type of build altogether with a
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: couple Chicago receivers or something like that. Those are the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: types of builds where you're using the guy that is value,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: but how are you using them? And look at, you know, again,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: shout out full circle here, Rio with gunner helm. Well,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: playing just gunner helm, good playing gunner helm with Chase
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: Higgins burrow, and then making it fit everything else. And
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: a secondary tight end and a pay up D that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: gets different on the slate and combines all those. That's
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: the penthouse process that I always talk about. You use
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: a piece that other people connect with and say, Oh,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: I could go there. I see how that could work,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: but what do you do with it? And then how
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: do you go to that next level or that next
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: rung to be able to make your lineup stand out
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: in showdown? That's the name of the game. We all
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: have a smaller player pool. less guys to work with
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: still tons of combinations though, that you can find your
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: way to get different. So hopefully you guys can do
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: that on tonight's slate title. Any final thoughts from you, man,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: before we get out of here?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I liked it a little more than
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: as we started or as we kept talking, I think
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: just five, one, four, two Seahawks will be very popular.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: So just flipping the roster construction still allows you, if
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: you want to like play Barn or Horton or whatever,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: you can still do it. You just play it in
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: a little different way.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah. And two good football teams, which is always
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: fun to watch as well.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: Like last night, what are we doing watching the Commanders
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: against McKee? At least we get two respectable offenses and defenses.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: So I'm excited for this one.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: The irony to that, I will say as a Ravens fan,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: was we spoke all morning, many people across Discord shows,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: et cetera, of like, why isn't this game the Sunday
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: night football game? It definitely should be. And it still
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: would have been better, actually. But just to note it,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: imagine we get that game in prime time and then
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: Lamar comes out and busts his thumb on the first
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: one and now he's out for the season.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Are they going to get Jacoby? How would you feel
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: about that? Sure.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: Garbage time points count the same. We always say it.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: But I would say the funniest one I saw was
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: if they could trade for Gardner Minshew and then get
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: the revenge game for Minshew right away on Thursday Night
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Football going against the Jags. That would be cool. I
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: would like to see that.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Plus, he slings them around.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: The season's a goner. It doesn't matter. Like, it's over now.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: What about Danny Dimes? Danny Dimes?
• 1:18:11
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• 1:18:13
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• 1:18:16
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• 1:18:17
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• 1:18:21
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• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: Hoop, anything from you, man? Final thoughts before we get
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: out of here?
• 1:18:28
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• 1:18:32
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• 1:18:35
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• 1:18:39
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• 1:18:42
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• 1:18:45
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• 1:18:49
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• 1:18:52
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