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Chuck & Buck 10-22 Hour 1: It still hurts... Russ vs. Payton and ABCs of the Mariners. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Hey, good morning, Welcome in.
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Speaker 2: It is the Wednesday edition hump Day here on Chuck
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Speaker 2: three KJRFM. We welcome you to the radio program we
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Speaker 2: got you for the next four hours till ten o'clock.
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Speaker 1: Here this morning.
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Speaker 2: And I say we, I mean Ashley Ryan, I mean
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Speaker 2: Bucky Jacobson. My name is Chuck Powell, and welcome in
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Speaker 2: to our hearts as we get things started here on
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Speaker 2: this Wednesday morning, and all of a sudden, we are
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Speaker 2: introducing the normal world back into our lives. Other sports
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Speaker 2: apparently have been going on this entire time, and so
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Speaker 2: we now introduce ourselves back into everyone else's world that
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Speaker 2: hasn't been on a playoff ride in Major League Baseball.
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Speaker 2: Going to talk a little hockey today, We're going to
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Speaker 2: talk a little NBA today. We're going to talk of
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Speaker 2: certainly some Seahawks football today, and nice job Sawks. Now
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Speaker 2: you're going to be on buy yeah, now when we
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Speaker 2: have time for you, yeah, now when we you know, now,
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Speaker 2: when the decks are cleared, now you're going to be
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Speaker 2: on buy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. They're set it up for a world series thing.
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Speaker 3: I think that step Beside's nice of the Yeah, it
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Speaker 3: just came up a little short on that.
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Speaker 1: Nice of Roger Goodell to make the schedule that they
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Speaker 1: do that a lot, Yeah, to make things horis.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, the NFL really cares about all the other leagues. Yeah, loss,
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Speaker 2: except not at all. Wait, yeah, it's the opposite, except
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Speaker 2: they would mow down every single league if they could
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Speaker 2: and take all of their money. All right, well, welcome
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Speaker 2: into the radio program. And yes, the baseball run for
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Speaker 2: the Mariners is over, but uh, I still think it's
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Speaker 2: top of mind, and so we'll spend a lot of
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Speaker 2: time on that today as well. Angie Mintink will join
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Speaker 2: us for the final time this baseball season and an
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Speaker 2: official capacity. We might bugger from time to time, but
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Speaker 2: she'll be with us at eight thirty. And you know, yesterday,
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Speaker 2: you know, there kind of go two different ways the
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Speaker 2: day after getting eliminated from the playoffs. You can either
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Speaker 2: talk about how did we get eliminate and eliminated or
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Speaker 2: how are you feeling about getting eliminated? And I kind
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Speaker 2: of opted to go the route of why did we
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Speaker 2: get eliminated and talked about Dan Wilson decisions and offense
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Speaker 2: not coming through and starting pitching not being as brilliant
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Speaker 2: as we hoped it would be in this series and
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Speaker 2: things of that nature. And I don't think we're done
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Speaker 2: discussing that. I think maybe we'll be done discussing that
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Speaker 2: in like twenty five hundred year, twenty five hundred and
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Speaker 2: so those things are going to continue to linger. But
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Speaker 2: we really didn't press into the into sort of the
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Speaker 2: how does it feel to be eliminated aspect of this,
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Speaker 2: and Bucky and I discussed it off the air, and
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Speaker 2: then somehow it came out on the air when we
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Speaker 2: were doing television afterwards with Bill Wixi and Fox thirteen,
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Speaker 2: who's always trying to talk about how the Mariners don't
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Speaker 2: spend enough.
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Speaker 1: But there was the feeling of.
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Speaker 2: When the game got over with Monday, it went right
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Speaker 2: into postgame mode. And then we opened up the phone
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Speaker 2: lines at one point, and I was stunned at the
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Speaker 2: callers because we don't take a lot of calls anymore
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Speaker 2: in American sports talk radio, and most of the time
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Speaker 2: the feedback that we get on this show via Twitter
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Speaker 2: or via the text are really negative comments about the team,
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Speaker 2: and so you kind of run with that, You kind
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Speaker 2: of think that that's kind of the tone for the
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Speaker 2: entire fan base. And yet when we open up the
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Speaker 2: phone lines, and believe me, I presented it as here's
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Speaker 2: your opportunity to sound off, go off, and there really
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Speaker 2: wasn't any of that. I mean, who knows why. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there could be a million different reasons why. But we
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Speaker 2: got a lot of very satisfied with the season and
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Speaker 2: certainly disappointed and can't wait till next year kind of
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Speaker 2: phone calls is what we got. And I do think
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Speaker 2: that's the right approach, but it doesn't mean that that's
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Speaker 2: how every individual out there emotionally reacted. Your emotions are
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Speaker 2: your emotions, whatever they might be. But just that small
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Speaker 2: sample size of phone callers seem to be keeping things
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Speaker 2: in pretty decent perspective. It felt like on Monday night
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Speaker 2: where I personally I was just in show mode, and
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Speaker 2: then when I woke up yesterday, I'm like, I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure I want to talk about this today. I think
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Speaker 2: I may have talked myself. I don't know if I
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Speaker 2: want to do this again for four hours. That's honestly
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Speaker 2: the way it felt like. I get that we're going
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Speaker 2: to have to discuss this, and I get that it's
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Speaker 2: topic number one, But after doing two shows a day
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Speaker 2: basically for the last two weeks talking nothing but baseball,
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Speaker 2: and all the time in between talking nothing but baseball.
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Speaker 2: I just kind of wrote in yesterday day morning, like
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Speaker 2: that's when sort of the this sucks. I don't want
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Speaker 2: to talk about a loss, you know, that kind of
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Speaker 2: feeling kind of was overwhelming me yesterday and so today,
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Speaker 2: taking the deep breath, I'm just kind of curious as
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Speaker 2: to how the two of you are feeling. And not
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Speaker 2: to get sappy about it, but just like the emotional
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Speaker 2: toll it took on you, and where you're at thirty
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Speaker 2: six hours after elimination.
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Speaker 3: Probably the same, I would say, I don't know if
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Speaker 3: it's it. Most certainly hasn't been enough time to where
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Speaker 3: it's dulled the it's pain. I mean it is literally
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Speaker 3: it's like, oh my gosh, the long slog that it
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Speaker 3: takes to get where we just got and still come
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Speaker 3: up short of what you know, there was two goals
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Speaker 3: left basically to achieve, and yet you had achieved many goals.
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Speaker 3: I saw somebody's tweet yesterday about what had happened in
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Speaker 3: the last like thirty two days, and you're like the
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Speaker 3: roblest catch and the nailor doubled to clinch the vision
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Speaker 3: and it just went you know, the game five of
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Speaker 3: the DLS and the game five of this last all
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Speaker 3: of these things where you're like, oh my gosh, the
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Speaker 3: last month has been epic.
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Speaker 1: It's been a joy ride.
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Speaker 3: At the same time, there's been plenty of things that
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Speaker 3: are disturbing and frustrating that went into it as well.
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Speaker 3: And to me, the overwhelming feeling that I have that
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Speaker 3: has kind of came from the end of the game
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Speaker 3: when I realized that that ride is over, is oh
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Speaker 3: my gosh, to get back there again. I believe they
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Speaker 3: will get back to that point and beyond again with
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Speaker 3: this core group of guys. I genuinely do believe it.
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Speaker 3: And yet it's like, how long it takes to get there?
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Speaker 3: How many times am I going to have to say
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Speaker 3: to some meathead around here that twelve games into a
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Speaker 3: season does not make a season?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 3: I mean, how many times are I can have to
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Speaker 3: talk somebody off a ledge because they lose three in
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Speaker 3: a row to a subpar team because it's baseball, And
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Speaker 3: it's like, I don't I'm not looking for it to
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Speaker 3: it even though I'm looking forward to what this team
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Speaker 3: eventually will be, hopefully, and how this offseason will play out,
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Speaker 3: and what I'm going to how I'm going to feel
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Speaker 3: about the moves made or not made. I just it's like,
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Speaker 3: right now, I'm too exhausted emotionally to be able to
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Speaker 3: wrap my head around how I'm going to feel about
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Speaker 3: all of the different things that are going to come
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Speaker 3: between now and hopefully this time next year, when we
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Speaker 3: can possibly get over that hump and become, you know,
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Speaker 3: actually finished the job that I think they are they
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Speaker 3: are set up to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great way of putting it,
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Speaker 2: and maybe you capture my own thoughts. Exhausted is kind
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Speaker 2: of the word, like exhausted from it. And they're partly
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Speaker 2: to blame for this because of the way they play
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Speaker 2: all the time, such such emotional highs and such emotional lows,
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Speaker 2: so many head scratching moments with this baseball team. Just
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Speaker 2: when you think they're clicking, they'll go out and just
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Speaker 2: a turd on the field, And then just when you're
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Speaker 2: sure that they're done, they'll pull something out miraculously. All
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Speaker 2: the way to the end, I was expecting them to
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Speaker 2: pull it out, because that's what they do to us.
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Speaker 2: They just rip out our hair by the root at times,
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Speaker 2: and yet they have a way to just make you
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Speaker 2: feel good about the path that.
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Speaker 1: You've been on. So I don't really take it as emotionally.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I did not grow up here, and so
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Speaker 2: that's either a strike for me or a strike against me.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I mean I will never I just
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Speaker 2: can't as a human being get to the point where
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Speaker 2: Softy is, for example, like I can't get that emotional
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Speaker 2: about it. But I will say that I was exhausted
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Speaker 2: by the end of yesterday's show just talking about it
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Speaker 2: and having gone on the ride, and you pointed out
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Speaker 2: the examples of the highs, and I won't waste time pointing.
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Speaker 1: Out the examples of the lows.
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Speaker 2: But it really was, really was exhausting, and to think
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Speaker 2: that we had another round that we were this close
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Speaker 2: to getting and who knows how crazy that ride would
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Speaker 2: have been.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we want to go on it, we wanted
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Speaker 1: to go on it, we want to go on it
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Speaker 1: in the future.
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Speaker 2: But I think exhausted kind of does sum up where
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Speaker 2: emotionally exhausted. But Ashley, I know you do approach it
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Speaker 2: a little bit differently.
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Speaker 1: Than what Bucky and I do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I definitely reading the comments of people
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Speaker 4: who have said, you know, I'm fifty years old and
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Speaker 4: I've never seen the Mariners in the World Series, and
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Speaker 4: I'm afraid I'm going to die before I ever do
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Speaker 4: see them in the World Series.
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Speaker 1: Like that stuff is.
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Speaker 4: Sad, right, you don't want to go your entire lifetime
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Speaker 4: of a healthy, normal lifetime never seeing your team in
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Speaker 4: the World Series.
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Speaker 2: And it seems like I can believe that that fifty
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Speaker 2: year old has a lot of living left.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's just personal.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree, No, I agree, but that this
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Speaker 4: is literally if somebody said that, and I was like,
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Speaker 4: but they're in their mind, they're thinking, I'm going to
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Speaker 4: it's never going to happen. Right, it's been fifth not
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Speaker 4: quite fifty years, but it's been that that time, so
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Speaker 4: you know, who's to say it gonna happen in my lifetime?
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Speaker 4: But I don't feel that way. I don't think it's
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Speaker 4: never going to happen. And I just I don't have
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Speaker 4: like kind of what Bucky said. I don't have the
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Speaker 4: capabilities mentally right now to think, how's this offseason gonna go?
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Speaker 4: Are they gonna sign Naylor. Are they gonna sign Polanco?
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Speaker 4: Are they gonna sign Geno? Like what's gonna happen? Or
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Speaker 4: are they gonna revert back? I like to think that
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Speaker 4: this ownership has figured out, like, hey, winning actually really
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Speaker 4: does help us and brings us a lot of money,
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Speaker 4: So maybe we should invest more money into winning, and
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Speaker 4: that would be good. But I can't, like, I can't
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Speaker 4: put myself through the what if they don't sign these people?
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Speaker 4: What if we revert backwards all of these things, because
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Speaker 4: it's just been so emotional this last month.
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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't change a thing. I love it.
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Speaker 4: I mean I would, I would change one thing. I
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Speaker 4: would have changed that George Springer now.
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Speaker 1: But I would.
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Speaker 4: I would gladly go through another week and a half
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Speaker 4: of crazy emotions and it it almost I almost felt
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Speaker 4: like we went through all of that and we got
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Speaker 4: nothing to show for it, Like and that's why you.
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Speaker 2: Feel like you're man, I think you feel like that
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Speaker 2: in the moment, but.
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Speaker 1: But now don't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but right after it was like that numb Yes, yeah, yes,
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Speaker 2: you feel like that in the moment. But I mean
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Speaker 2: they did it was a successful season y And I
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Speaker 2: know people don't want to think about that right now,
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Speaker 2: even thirty six hours after the fact, and maybe not
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Speaker 2: six months after the fact, they won't feel that way.
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Speaker 2: I think there are a couple of things that you
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Speaker 2: said there. Number one, and I think the fan base
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Speaker 2: is guilty of this. From what I've been able to observe.
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Speaker 1: The last ten years.
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Speaker 2: You're blaming this team and this era and this regime
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Speaker 2: for forty five years.
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Speaker 1: A few tips. Absolutely people are and not all, and
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Speaker 1: they're not playing.
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Speaker 2: They haven't been playing championship baseball under Jerry Depoto. But
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Speaker 2: since the rebuild, they have been winners. They've won five
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Speaker 2: straight years in a row. They've had a winning record,
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Speaker 2: and they've taken on us on this ride every year.
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Speaker 1: We've got to root for.
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Speaker 2: This team with something at stake all the way to
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Speaker 2: the last week of the regular season.
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Speaker 1: Five years in a row. That's the longest.
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Speaker 2: Streak in the history of the Mariners organization. They are
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Speaker 2: only I think three or four teams in Major League
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Speaker 2: Baseball who can say that right now, this very moment,
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Speaker 2: who can make that statement. I think there are only three.
12:21
Speaker 2: I'd have to do some research on that again, but
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Speaker 2: I've done it before, and I think that we're one
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Speaker 2: of three teams that has done that, maybe four, and
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Speaker 2: so they have been playing winning baseball, they haven't been
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Speaker 2: playing championship baseball.
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Speaker 1: To a degree.
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Speaker 2: I know they didn't win the Pennant this year, and
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Speaker 2: we're not going to be able to say we're world champions.
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Speaker 1: We won't even have a shot at it.
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Speaker 2: But they didn't win a division this year, and so
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Speaker 2: that in itself suggests that there was a step forward
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Speaker 2: that was taken. And I think if there's something to
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Speaker 2: celebrate it is what you said in your comments that
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Speaker 2: maybe the organization not that they haven't produced winning baseball
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Speaker 2: because they have ownership, front office players, they have given
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Speaker 2: us winning baseball now for half a decade straight.
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Speaker 1: But I do.
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Speaker 2: Believe lessons were learned this year. I do believe a
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Speaker 2: look in the mirror moment occurred in the offseason for
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Speaker 2: Jerry Depoto, Justin Hollander and John Stanton, and I do
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Speaker 2: believe that when push came to shove this year, they
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Speaker 2: did come out of their comfort zone to do things
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Speaker 2: that were required to try and make a more concerted
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Speaker 2: effort toward going from just winning two championship baseball and
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Speaker 2: they got results from it, and the fans reacted to it,
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Speaker 2: and I would hope don't know for sure. I know
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Speaker 2: Jerry Depoto's on board for it. I know Justin Hollander's
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Speaker 2: on board Ford, I know Dan Wilson and Kyl Raley
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Speaker 2: are on board for it. I would hope that John
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Speaker 2: Stanton loved the ride just so much and the other owners,
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Speaker 2: because he's just the face of them, enjoyed the ride
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Speaker 2: as much as what we did, that they did realize, Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's what we've got to do, that we got to
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Speaker 2: make ourselves a little financially uncomfortable when the time is right,
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Speaker 2: and it does provide dividends, and for Justin and Jerry,
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Speaker 2: we do have to make ourselves a little uncomfortable about
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Speaker 2: giving away prospects in order to get guys that can
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Speaker 2: help us win right now. And so if those lessons
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Speaker 2: were learned, then we've got a really great thing going
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Speaker 2: right now. This isn't same old Mariners, and I'm really
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Speaker 2: tired of hearing that it's not same old Mariners. It
14:37
Speaker 2: hasn't been same old Mariners for the better part of
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Speaker 2: this decade. We've got something really good going here. And
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Speaker 2: let's just hope that the lessons that were learned and
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Speaker 2: applied in twenty twenty five lead to more of that
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Speaker 2: coming going forward, because we got a chance to not
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Speaker 2: just win a pennant, we got a chance to win
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Speaker 2: a couple World Series with this foundation. And yes, it's
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Speaker 2: gonna stink to kind of start from the beginning again
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Speaker 2: next year, but we're really not starting from the beginning
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Speaker 2: because the foundation is so strong. It gives us such
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Speaker 2: a lead over all our competition.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the facts are what you just stated, where
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Speaker 3: they are, where they've been, where they're going, the trajectory
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Speaker 3: of it. It's just, you know, I think for a
15:21
Speaker 3: lot of people and I you know, how I am.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm typically pretty optimistic. I just kind of
15:26
Speaker 3: that's the nature. That's my nature, That's.
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Speaker 1: How I am. And yet when you come off of
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Speaker 1: a loss like.
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Speaker 3: This, there's negative feelings and then there's ways where I
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Speaker 3: can I can look at but look at how fun
15:38
Speaker 3: that was? Right And yet it's like, to some degree,
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Speaker 3: you think about the pain that you feel right now
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Speaker 3: and have felt for the last couple of days, compared
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Speaker 3: to what the pain was when you just were eliminated
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Speaker 3: from the playoffs one game short.
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Speaker 1: The last couple of years it doesn't.
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Speaker 3: Even the last couple of years of not making the
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Speaker 3: playoffs pales in comparison to what it feels like to
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Speaker 3: get there and then have a bye and then win
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Speaker 3: a tough series against Detroit and then get to Game
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Speaker 3: seven and be three outs away or three innings away from.
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Speaker 1: Going to the World Series for the first time.
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Speaker 3: It's like the eck when when you there's more opportunity
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Speaker 3: than when it gets taken from you, then more, it
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Speaker 3: hurts more, And so sure I end up but feeling.
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Speaker 2: You made a comparison yesterday to a relationship, and it's
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Speaker 2: the same. I mean, philosophers will tell you it's better
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Speaker 2: to have loved and lost than to never have loved
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Speaker 2: at all. I mean, the more in love you are
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Speaker 2: with something or some notion and it gets taken away
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Speaker 2: from you, the more pain you're going to feel. But
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Speaker 2: did you really not want to feel that love? Did
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Speaker 2: you really not want to go on that ride just
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Speaker 2: to avoid the pain? I mean, let's suck it up
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Speaker 2: and let's do it again next year. And there's no
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Speaker 2: guarantee that we won't have the rug pulled out from
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Speaker 2: us again next year. There's no guarantee. George Springer doesn't
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Speaker 2: do it to us again. But man, let's go. I'm ready.
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Speaker 2: I'm ready right now. Yeah, one hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: It's the really, to some degree, it's kind of if
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Speaker 3: it was just me left alone with my own thoughts
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Speaker 3: and emotions, I would be far closer to just finding
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Speaker 3: all the silver linings and just kind of living in
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Speaker 3: that space. It's the fact that you see stuff online, right,
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Speaker 3: you know. I put a tweet out that was had
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Speaker 3: that video of col with the puffy eyes and red
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Speaker 3: eyes and he's talking about how disappointed he is, and
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Speaker 3: he's obviously was just very emotional, and I just said
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Speaker 3: something like I don't want to see anybody insinuating these
17:31
Speaker 3: guys don't care. And most people responded with agreed, and
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Speaker 3: great job, cal, goodyear, what a fun ride. And then
17:38
Speaker 3: there's those turds that are just like, whoa, what are
17:41
Speaker 3: you talking about? The guy here two forty it's not
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Speaker 3: that great a year, or oh yeah, well hang your
17:45
Speaker 3: alds Banner Seattle, And I'm just like, oh, you people
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Speaker 3: like just suck joy out of life at every opportunity.
17:53
Speaker 3: I said, but you said it yourself. The majority of
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Speaker 3: them had positive reactions, and this we're all guilty of this,
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Speaker 3: every human being, certainly in this industry, of focusing on
18:02
Speaker 3: the two negative comments. I mean, most of it is positive.
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Speaker 3: I mean you would think.
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Speaker 2: Based off of what we see and read about the
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Speaker 2: Mariners fan base, that there would be five hundred people
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Speaker 2: at every game. Yeah, I mean that crowd was unbelievable
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Speaker 2: for most of the season, and certainly for the playoffs,
18:23
Speaker 2: Toronto's was the only one that even compared to it.
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Speaker 1: And so that's also.
18:29
Speaker 2: A lesson that we as humans can learn, is not
18:31
Speaker 2: to focus on just the one or two turns out
18:33
Speaker 2: there with the negative commentary. I think for the most part,
18:37
Speaker 2: like we when we opened up the phone, we had
18:40
Speaker 2: one guy.
18:40
Speaker 1: And he was drunk that was angry about everything.
18:44
Speaker 2: One drunk guy that had to be hung up on
18:46
Speaker 2: because he dropped an F bomb within six seconds coming
18:49
Speaker 2: on the airwaves.
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Speaker 4: But that's the thing too, is people are angry, and
18:52
Speaker 4: when they're angry, they can't put their motions into the
18:54
Speaker 4: words of how they're really feeling. It's in the moment anger, right,
18:57
Speaker 4: And so they're mad that the Mariners lost, didn't make
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Speaker 4: it to the World Series and we were so close,
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Speaker 4: and their emotions take control and then they say things
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Speaker 4: that frankly are idiotic because you shouldn't be. You know,
19:08
Speaker 4: Cal didn't have a bad season. Cal had an incredible season.
19:11
Speaker 4: And if you're going to try to nitpick things like that,
19:13
Speaker 4: that's silly. I just think, I yeah, I'm I'm very excited.
19:18
Speaker 4: It is also exhausting to think about, Oh gosh, we
19:21
Speaker 4: got to start. You know, you start at game one
19:23
Speaker 4: and you try to do this all over again. That's
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Speaker 4: that's a lot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it starts at spring training.
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Speaker 1: Our spring training coverage will be brought to you by
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Speaker 1: all Right.
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Speaker 2: Let's find out what's on tap for the show today.
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Speaker 1: What's on to, what's on top? All Right? Off season begins.
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Speaker 2: Angie Mentink will join us at eight thirty her thoughts
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Speaker 2: on the season coming to a close Monday.
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Speaker 1: World Series will start on Friday Dot. I'll watch it.
19:50
Speaker 2: NBA season tipped off yesterday. When one door closes, another opens.
19:54
Speaker 2: The NBA season gets underway last night, and man did
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Speaker 2: they have a first game. OKC and Houston went to
20:02
Speaker 2: double overtime back and forth one twenty five, one twenty four,
20:07
Speaker 2: the Thunder win to ruin Kevin Durant's debut, but both
20:11
Speaker 2: of those teams. Man put on a show last night.
20:15
Speaker 2: Warriors won over the Lakers. Lebron was on the sidelines.
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Speaker 2: Warriors win by ten. Michael Jordan made his debut on
20:22
Speaker 2: NBA on NBC as an analyst last night during halftime
20:26
Speaker 2: of one of the games. And Inside the NBA makes
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Speaker 2: its debut tonight. From what I understand on ESPN, cracketfel
20:33
Speaker 2: to the Senators yesterday four to one. So that's two
20:36
Speaker 2: straight losses. Man, I hope the Cracking aren't already tired.
20:39
Speaker 2: They've got a long way to go. Al Koniski will
20:42
Speaker 2: join us today at nine thirty to discuss at Sounders.
20:45
Speaker 2: We'll start their playoffs Monday at Minnesota against Minnesota United
20:49
Speaker 2: Huskies are going to host Illinois.
20:52
Speaker 1: I know how intimidating that is.
20:53
Speaker 2: Boy, Cam Cleveland's going to join us today at eight
20:56
Speaker 2: o'clock to discuss that Seahawks on By this week, we
21:00
Speaker 2: got a lot of catching up to do with our
21:02
Speaker 2: Seahawk insiders, including Greg Bell, who'll be back with us
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Speaker 2: today at seven o five. And tomorrow starts the brand
21:09
Speaker 2: new week in the National Football League as the Vikings
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Speaker 2: are at the Chargers. Speaking of the National Football League.
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson made news yesterday firing back at Sean Peyton.
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Speaker 1: Who's in the right, who's in the wrong.
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Speaker 2: We'll actually discuss that next Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 2: three kh A r F M.
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Speaker 1: Mister, mister, mister unlimited.
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Speaker 5: Let's right, all right, Chuck Balbucky Jacobson, and Ashley Ryan
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Speaker 5: with you here on this Wednesday. Greg Bell, cam Cleland,
21:48
Speaker 5: Angie mensink Al Koniski will all join us a little
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Speaker 5: more flavor here today on the radio program as we
21:56
Speaker 5: now sort of sink our teeth into the fall scheduling
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Speaker 5: with the Fall Classic not being at our fingertips any longer.
22:04
Speaker 5: But we will certainly talk more mariness baseball coming up
22:07
Speaker 5: on the program as well. But mister Unlimited made the
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Speaker 5: headlines yesterday. He snapped back at Sean Payton, who did
22:16
Speaker 5: he took a shot, Let's face it. He was being
22:19
Speaker 5: interviewed about facing the New York Giants. In giving a
22:23
Speaker 5: compliment to Jackson Dart, the new quarterback for the New
22:28
Speaker 5: York Giants. He kind of took a shot at Russell Wilson,
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Speaker 5: saying that we were disappointed that they'd made that switch
22:37
Speaker 5: before we had to face them.
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Speaker 1: In essence is what he said, and.
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Speaker 2: Russell, who tends to ignore that stuff, decided I'm not
22:45
Speaker 2: going to ignore that one. So then he went to
22:47
Speaker 2: social media and he said classless. But then that's what
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Speaker 2: I would expect out of Sean Payton, and then kind
22:56
Speaker 2: of gave some face laughing emojis and that that's where
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Speaker 2: it sits.
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Speaker 1: But it made all the headlines.
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Speaker 2: It's ESPN front page, CBS Sports front page, it is
23:05
Speaker 2: all over Twitter.
23:06
Speaker 1: It was trending on Twitter.
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Speaker 2: The backup quarterback for the New York Giants and his
23:10
Speaker 2: former head coach, Sean Payton getting into a little bit
23:14
Speaker 2: of a jab war of words publicly.
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Speaker 1: So who's in the right, Who's in the wrong? Bucky?
23:19
Speaker 1: Who do you? Whose side you take in here? Let's ride?
23:23
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's right or wrong. It was
23:26
Speaker 1: for sure.
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Speaker 3: Well that's the funny part is he ends up putting
23:29
Speaker 3: the hashtag Let's ride at the end of his his
23:32
Speaker 3: clap back at Sea, I mean Sean Payton through shade.
23:35
Speaker 3: It's most certainly a jab of I was hoping he'd
23:38
Speaker 3: make that change after we played him, insinuating that we
23:42
Speaker 3: would have liked to play it against Russell Wilson would
23:44
Speaker 3: have felt better about it. I don't think he's wrong.
23:47
Speaker 3: I mean I would I watched the game. I would
23:50
Speaker 3: have much rather played against Russell Wilson. This version of
23:53
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson than this version of Jackson. Darr Jackson Dart
23:57
Speaker 3: has brought something different that Russell Wilson was bringing and
24:01
Speaker 3: and I don't think you have to do that. And
24:03
Speaker 3: yet again it's they're humans that work together and didn't
24:07
Speaker 3: like each other. I don't know if Sean Payton was
24:10
Speaker 3: super pumped about the whole Russell Wilson situation. I mean
24:14
Speaker 3: the hashtag let's right on the end of it. I
24:17
Speaker 3: have a feeling that as he began to play poorly
24:20
Speaker 3: that it was probably Sean Payton, like, will you stop
24:22
Speaker 3: saying that stupid thing?
24:24
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
24:25
Speaker 3: I mean it otherwise, why are you putting the let's
24:28
Speaker 3: right on the on the end of it?
24:29
Speaker 1: The whole thing is is silly.
24:31
Speaker 3: I don't mind Russell Wilson for kind of snapping back
24:34
Speaker 3: at him. You don't have to sit back and let
24:36
Speaker 3: somebody talk trash about you. I mean, if they want
24:38
Speaker 3: to go out and put something out there in the public.
24:41
Speaker 3: It was pretty a bunch. It was pretty clear that
24:43
Speaker 3: that they weren't getting along in their time there, that
24:46
Speaker 3: it was a waste of money. There was a horrible
24:48
Speaker 3: draft or horrible trade and and and hindered them. I mean,
24:52
Speaker 3: we just finally got off underneath paying the guy to
24:55
Speaker 3: play for other people. So I can understand where both
24:58
Speaker 3: of them don't like each other. But if Russell doesn't
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Speaker 3: like Sean Payton because he didn't think he put him
25:03
Speaker 3: in the best situation to win, and Russell Wilson didn't
25:06
Speaker 3: and vice versa, they just didn't like each other, that's fine.
25:09
Speaker 3: I don't know why you have to do the thing
25:11
Speaker 3: that Peyton did, like just throw a jab out there,
25:14
Speaker 3: and I don't mind Russell Wilson coming back at it.
25:16
Speaker 3: To me, it's I still I'm basically on Sean Payton's side.
25:19
Speaker 3: I think Russell Wilson was very bad as a Denver
25:21
Speaker 3: bronco and I wouldn't like him either if he made
25:23
Speaker 3: me look bad as a coach.
25:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're both right in this sense, and
25:27
Speaker 4: they're both wrong. Like Sean Payton's saying saying what he said,
25:31
Speaker 4: I don't think you should have said that. I think
25:33
Speaker 4: you could you could take the high road and be
25:35
Speaker 4: the better person. But I also, like Russell said, I
25:38
Speaker 4: would expect that from Sean Payton.
25:39
Speaker 1: So he didn't take the high road. He made the jab.
25:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's done other classless things in the past,
25:45
Speaker 4: so it isn't surprising. So Russell's not wrong and saying well,
25:48
Speaker 4: I wouldn't expect anything else. Yeah, but you know, and
25:52
Speaker 4: I'm fine with Russell clapping back as well. And I
25:55
Speaker 4: do think, yeah, they both they had a terrible time
25:57
Speaker 4: together in Denver, and Sean Payton was brought into to
26:00
Speaker 4: control what Denver had let get out of control with
26:04
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson. So in that sense, I think Denver the
26:07
Speaker 4: organization has nobody to blame for that whole thing other
26:09
Speaker 4: than themselves. Sean Payton was brought in to try to
26:12
Speaker 4: fix it, and Russell Wilson got humbled real quick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was unnecessary to take the shot
26:20
Speaker 2: at Russell. You could have given Jackson Darr a compliment
26:23
Speaker 2: without saying that, And so I kind of liked it
26:25
Speaker 2: Russell for once, like, you know, you know what, I'm
26:29
Speaker 2: not gonna just sit here and take this. I heard it,
26:31
Speaker 2: and I think you your class listen, I'm gonna throw
26:35
Speaker 2: that out there, so I don't have a problem with that.
26:38
Speaker 2: Here's here's the only thing I don't understand about, and
26:40
Speaker 2: we don't have a lot of time to discuss it.
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton knew what he was getting into, didn't.
26:45
Speaker 2: Wasn't the story that Sean Payton wanted to play with
26:47
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. I mean, he knew the quarterback in Denver,
26:52
Speaker 2: he knew the contract that he was taking on. I mean,
26:55
Speaker 2: you don't he wanted to play with him, and then
26:59
Speaker 2: once he got there realized.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I can't think this guy doesn't listen to what
27:03
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell him.
27:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was already the reputation in his last two
27:07
Speaker 2: years here with Pete that he was drifting apart from
27:11
Speaker 2: any kind of coaching, any kind of leadership, was all
27:15
Speaker 2: about just he thought he was a superstar and he
27:18
Speaker 2: was being held back. I mean, he knew, he had
27:21
Speaker 2: to have known full awareness what he was getting into
27:24
Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson, and then Peyton failed to get him
27:28
Speaker 2: on the right track.
27:29
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean I suppose yes, I mean, ultimately
27:32
Speaker 3: he did fail to get him there. But I think
27:34
Speaker 3: that's where the animosity lies is he took the job saying,
27:38
Speaker 3: all right, I got a half a step slower Russell Wilson.
27:41
Speaker 3: But if I can teach him how to, you know,
27:43
Speaker 3: how to run the offense like Drew Brees did, very
27:46
Speaker 3: similar as far as their size and arm strength and
27:49
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff goes, he can if he
27:51
Speaker 3: picks up what I'm putting down.
27:52
Speaker 1: Good.
27:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably knew or heard the rumblings that basically
27:58
Speaker 3: led to him being shipped out of town. But I
28:00
Speaker 3: think to some degree he's like like every coach that
28:02
Speaker 3: has an ego, like I can figure out how to
28:05
Speaker 3: get through his skull that this is how you have
28:07
Speaker 3: to play the game. Russell just didn't do it. He
28:10
Speaker 3: just flat out didn't do it. Whether it was it
28:12
Speaker 3: didn't make sense to him, or it was too difficult,
28:14
Speaker 3: remember when it wasn't very long.
28:15
Speaker 1: Maybe I just got to simplify the things.
28:17
Speaker 3: So I think to some degree it was I'm trying
28:19
Speaker 3: to give him all this stuff, he's incapable of taking
28:21
Speaker 3: the information or unwilling to do it, and therefore they
28:25
Speaker 3: end up going their separate ways.
28:26
Speaker 2: I think Sean Payton Russell Wilson made Sean Payton look.
28:30
Speaker 1: Bad, and he took it personally correct. That's what I think.
28:33
Speaker 1: Eagle couldn't handle it.
28:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Russell's ego has been out of control for
28:37
Speaker 2: a long time. Yeah, and he still isn't understanding hmmm.
28:42
Speaker 2: He's still to this day he doesn't get it. I mean,
28:44
Speaker 2: he apparently he's been a really good teammate for the Giants,
28:46
Speaker 2: and I'll give him credit for that. Uh, but he
28:49
Speaker 2: still just seems to think that honest goes anybody out.
28:52
Speaker 1: Here whoa dude.
28:54
Speaker 4: That's because he surrounds himself with yes people.
28:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Coming up next, ABC's at the MS
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Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three p three KRFM, Factor Fiction today
29:02
Speaker 2: at seven thirty five. We even have a green Jacket
29:04
Speaker 2: draft today at nine o'clock today. So a lot of
29:07
Speaker 2: fun things planning for you on this edition of Chuck
29:10
Speaker 2: and Buck in the Morning's on a homday. But the
29:12
Speaker 2: abcs of the m's just keep on rolling on. I
29:15
Speaker 2: know the season has come to a close, but we're
29:16
Speaker 2: still got baseball on our brain. Let's face it, still
29:19
Speaker 2: have Mariner's baseball on our brain. And so we will
29:22
Speaker 2: use the ABCS of the MS our daily guide where
29:25
Speaker 2: the alphabet guides us through different Mariner topics, and here
29:29
Speaker 2: we sit at the letter.
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Speaker 1: Oh, and I'm sorry, Bucky, I'm sorry, Ashley. I have
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Speaker 1: no choice.
29:33
Speaker 2: I really have been given no choice, neither by God
29:35
Speaker 2: or the alphabet LS.
29:37
Speaker 1: For the off season.
29:38
Speaker 2: It has begun, it is underway, and people are already
29:41
Speaker 2: thinking about it. Hell, the Seattle Times led with it
29:43
Speaker 2: today on their sports page. There are a lot of
29:46
Speaker 2: really interesting decisions to be made this off season, and
29:51
Speaker 2: certainly Josh Naylor seems to be the priority for this team.
29:57
Speaker 2: But as we discussed in our first second, and I
30:00
Speaker 2: didn't even mean to jump to it, I think this
30:02
Speaker 2: organization learned a few valuable lessons this year on maybe
30:06
Speaker 2: being a little more aggressive and what it takes to
30:09
Speaker 2: go from playing winning baseball to potentially championship baseball. And
30:13
Speaker 2: now I can't wait to see that applied to a
30:15
Speaker 2: full off season. It didn't really happen last offseason. It
30:18
Speaker 2: didn't happen until the regular season where we started seeing
30:21
Speaker 2: this organization make some aggressive moves. Let's apply it to
30:25
Speaker 2: a full off season and see if we can't build
30:27
Speaker 2: a championship team here. And I'm not just talking about
30:29
Speaker 2: a division champion yeah.
30:31
Speaker 3: Well, I can remember talking to John Stanton at spring training,
30:35
Speaker 3: like off the record and just kind of mentioned something
30:39
Speaker 3: along the lines of it was right after the Cow
30:42
Speaker 3: have to sign Cow And that's the second time that
30:45
Speaker 3: we've seen them sign one of these young guys to
30:49
Speaker 3: buy them out of arbitration years and get what looks
30:51
Speaker 3: like a good kind of hometown discount. You get a
30:54
Speaker 3: little bit of a discount, you pay him earlier, and
30:57
Speaker 3: you don't have to pay the big time free agent prices.
31:01
Speaker 3: And I said, you know, if that's why you're not
31:04
Speaker 3: going out and spending money, big money on big time
31:06
Speaker 3: free agents that are already established contributors, that would help
31:11
Speaker 3: the squad, fine, as long as you don't let a
31:14
Speaker 3: bunch of these youngsters go. You know, you can't just
31:17
Speaker 3: be the farm system where you develop them. You make
31:21
Speaker 3: them to where they're major league ready, and then you
31:23
Speaker 3: let them go play for somebody else once they've proven
31:26
Speaker 3: that they're good enough to be, you know, a big
31:28
Speaker 3: leaguer for a career. And he's like, that's exactly what
31:31
Speaker 3: we're doing. I said, And so to me, it's like
31:33
Speaker 3: that's kind of their mo But I think they do
31:36
Speaker 3: need to do like you said, do some stuff that's
31:40
Speaker 3: a little uncomfortable. Maybe every once in a while, like
31:42
Speaker 3: a Josh Naylor for example, maybe you got to just
31:45
Speaker 3: really dip into the coffers a little bit and find
31:48
Speaker 3: find that money you have it somewhere and do something
31:51
Speaker 3: that maybe is a little out of the realm of
31:52
Speaker 3: what your normal blueprint would be.
31:54
Speaker 1: I think that Logan Gilbert is the candidate for that.
31:57
Speaker 2: I think that you are also getting into arbitration dollars
32:01
Speaker 2: for a lot of these pitchers, and that could get
32:05
Speaker 2: pretty pricey. I think that what you're going to see,
32:08
Speaker 2: and I've said this for years, is you're going to
32:11
Speaker 2: see hand selected guys that the organization is going to
32:14
Speaker 2: do that with, and I think Logan's going to be
32:16
Speaker 2: one of them. I don't think that they want to
32:18
Speaker 2: break up he and Cal and I think Logan's maybe
32:21
Speaker 2: the stronger candidate to accept that team friendlier deal. But
32:26
Speaker 2: I don't think that Logan and George long term will
32:29
Speaker 2: be kept. Now you've got one more year with Logan
32:31
Speaker 2: than you do with George, so I think that you
32:34
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about the starting rotation. The young
32:37
Speaker 2: wu Miller, Kirby and Gilbert I would imagine they're all
32:42
Speaker 2: going to be back next year. I'd be a little
32:44
Speaker 2: worried about Luis Castillo if you're a big fan of him.
32:47
Speaker 2: But eventually I think that there will be a decision
32:50
Speaker 2: made between Logan or George. I don't think you're bringing
32:52
Speaker 2: both of them. I don't think you're signing them both
32:54
Speaker 2: long term, which is something we can talk about at
32:56
Speaker 2: another date. And then eventually I think you're gonna have
32:59
Speaker 2: to make the same call on woo Versus Miller as well.
33:02
Speaker 2: But that is still a couple of years away. Ps
33:05
Speaker 2: for payroll, and that seems to be where everybody goes.
33:09
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like fifteen seconds after the season
33:12
Speaker 2: was over, and those that have always complained about the
33:15
Speaker 2: Mariners payroll, we're back complaining about the Mariners payroll again.
33:19
Speaker 1: I just have pointed this out in the past, and
33:21
Speaker 1: I'm going to point it out again.
33:23
Speaker 2: Yes, payroll does give you an advantage in the sport.
33:26
Speaker 2: Six of the top ten payrolls in Major League Baseball
33:29
Speaker 2: made the playoffs. Two of the top five are in
33:31
Speaker 2: the World Series. There's no way to get around it.
33:34
Speaker 2: Having a bigger payroll gives you an advantage, but it
33:38
Speaker 2: is not the end all be all. There were six
33:40
Speaker 2: teams that made the playoffs outside of the top ten payrolls,
33:44
Speaker 2: so even including three in the bottom ten, including the
33:47
Speaker 2: team that had the best record in all of Major
33:49
Speaker 2: League Baseball, the Milwaukee Brewers, who had the twenty third
33:52
Speaker 2: highest payroll in the entire sport, the Mariners were sitting
33:55
Speaker 2: at sixteen. We'd all like to see that a little
33:57
Speaker 2: bit higher, but I would just say that you've got
34:01
Speaker 2: plenty of examples of teams that just know how to
34:05
Speaker 2: build a roster and build an organization that are keeping
34:10
Speaker 2: up with the Joneses in Major League Baseball. So even
34:13
Speaker 2: though we'd all like to see that climb, the most
34:16
Speaker 2: important thing is to establish your foundation and to establish
34:20
Speaker 2: your farm system and to be able to use it
34:23
Speaker 2: to make your financial decisions and fill in the holes
34:26
Speaker 2: and the gaps that you have on the roster. And
34:28
Speaker 2: I think that the organization is doing that really well
34:31
Speaker 2: right now. Haven't always done it really well, but the
34:34
Speaker 2: lessons that they've learned this year that can be applied
34:37
Speaker 2: to this going forward. I'd like to see the payroll
34:39
Speaker 2: climb a little bit, but it's the foundation that really
34:42
Speaker 2: is the thing that separates you from everybody else.
34:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, the foundation and the foundation solid And there's
34:48
Speaker 3: a majority of the guys that are on this squad
34:51
Speaker 3: are going to be back. And yet there's going to
34:53
Speaker 3: be pay raises. Just even if you don't get Logan
34:56
Speaker 3: Gilbert to you know, basically commit to something long term
35:01
Speaker 3: to buy him out of his third year of arbitration,
35:04
Speaker 3: he is still.
35:05
Speaker 1: Gonna go up.
35:05
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the estimate is he's gonna make
35:07
Speaker 3: like eleven twelve million dollars in arbitration next year. There's
35:10
Speaker 3: all these guys that him and George Kirby and Bryce Miller,
35:14
Speaker 3: all of them are gonna be getting raises through arbitrations period.
35:18
Speaker 3: That's just the way that it's gonna be. And yet
35:21
Speaker 3: you still have some good contracts with with Cal Rowley
35:24
Speaker 3: and Huli Rodriguez and Randy rose Arena. And I don't
35:27
Speaker 3: know if pol uncle come back on the player option
35:29
Speaker 3: that he has, there's a bunch of there's a bunch
35:31
Speaker 3: of money. I would be willing to bet he won't,
35:33
Speaker 3: but hopefully he wants to come back. And and maybe
35:36
Speaker 3: you're like, all right, not eight million, will you play
35:38
Speaker 3: for ten million? Maybe he'll do that. We shall see.
35:41
Speaker 3: But they're gonna they're gonna have to spend some more money.
35:44
Speaker 3: And then, like I said, I hope they also go
35:46
Speaker 3: outside of their comfort zone and and tell Naylor, Hey,
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Speaker 3: we think that you're a big part of this thing,
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