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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 1-22-26 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: dot com. Jeff lake Wald of ESPN, or, as Scott
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  Speaker 1: Hastings would say, Jeff leg Walt's joins us.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Jeff, I have a question to start this process.
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  Speaker 2: We knew about the injury Sunday night. We're all in dismay.
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  Speaker 2: He went surgery, got good surgery news. Fine, what was
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  Speaker 2: the actual break for Bonix? Do we know the details?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: What did he break in the ankle?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: You know that that's the one thing we did. We
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  Speaker 5: don't have a clear picture of yet.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I've been I hesitate with medical stuff to
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  Speaker 5: just you know, do the old I've heard, but uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know it whether ankle foot, it could be like
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  Speaker 5: you know, my understanding is it's right in the connection
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  Speaker 5: of the ankle to the top of the foot. But
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  Speaker 5: until I talked to Bow or someone else, I can't
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  Speaker 5: give you that officially, but.
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  Speaker 4: I was. My understanding is that it was low on
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  Speaker 4: the joint. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I bring that up, Jeffrey is because he
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  Speaker 2: suffered a similar injury to the same foot in college.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm wondering now, and this is what scares me.
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  Speaker 2: Is this a chronic issue?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I don't. We don't have the answer
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  Speaker 4: to that.
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  Speaker 5: Or you know, again, it is the third time he
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  Speaker 5: has broken a ankle, whether that's left or right, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and he also.
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  Speaker 4: Last year, you know, I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't know if you recall, but when the season ended,
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  Speaker 5: several of us reported that he had a surgery after
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  Speaker 5: the season was over, and at the time we reported
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  Speaker 5: it as a surgery because that was the information we had.
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  Speaker 5: But I later found out it wasn't ankle surgery. But
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if that. I don't know if that
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  Speaker 5: was the left or the right ankle. So this current
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  Speaker 5: one is the right ankle.
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  Speaker 2: So he might just have bad ankles. You know, some
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  Speaker 2: people are predisposed Steph Curry. Yeah, some people have knee injuries. Right,
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  Speaker 2: Those people like knee injury every year. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: another uh ankles are listen, I have bad ankles. I've
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  Speaker 2: broken both ankles. I've sprained both ankles. It's one of
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  Speaker 2: those things where, for some reason, the way the body's built,
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  Speaker 2: all the pressure goes to that area. You're telling me
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  Speaker 2: that he's had his third ankle break. That's that's a
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  Speaker 2: concern of mine.
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  Speaker 4: That's a concern.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he had one in high school, one in Auburn,
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  Speaker 5: and now one.
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  Speaker 4: With the Broncos.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Jeff, I saw that the guys who got injured
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  Speaker 3: over the weekend were practicing in Franklin and Bryant, and
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  Speaker 3: I see the JK. Dobbins just out there in limited.
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  Speaker 3: Were you, on a scale of one to ten on
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  Speaker 3: any of these guys being able to go coming up
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday? Or is this just a hope and a
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  Speaker 3: prayer thing or is it realistic? No?
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  Speaker 5: You know, moj I, you know, I don't really want
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  Speaker 5: to give you a number number, but uh, I think
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  Speaker 5: Dobbins is moving really well. I mean again, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: an orthopedic surgeon or anything, but I thought Dobbins looked
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  Speaker 5: good last week when he was working off to the side,
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  Speaker 5: and I think he looked very good yesterday. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in the playoffs, as we all understand, coaches are wound
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  Speaker 5: a little tighter. We did not see as much practice
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  Speaker 5: as we may have seen in November.
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  Speaker 4: So I can't really tell you.
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  Speaker 5: You know, how Dobbins looked in eleven on eleven or
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  Speaker 5: any of those things.
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  Speaker 4: But in the portions that were open.
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  Speaker 5: He looked good enough to me where that I think
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  Speaker 5: that could be a legitimate call at the end of
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  Speaker 5: the week. If he comes through the week fine again,
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  Speaker 5: that would be an amazingly fast recovery for that injury.
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  Speaker 5: And a few weeks ago, when I saw Dobbins still
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  Speaker 5: move and around here on a scooter, I would have said,
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  Speaker 5: you know, probably not, but but he definitely looks good
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  Speaker 5: and he certainly is jumping around on the practice field
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  Speaker 5: like you know, he really really wants to play, which
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  Speaker 5: is understandable, you know, concussion player like Pat Bryant, a
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  Speaker 5: player who has had two concussions now in a very
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  Speaker 5: short span.
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  Speaker 4: I'd hesitate to tell you because I saw.
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  Speaker 5: Him job yesterday that I think he can play, But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that would be surprising. It's two concussions in
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  Speaker 5: a very short period of time. Part of the protocol
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  Speaker 5: is if you clear certain levels, you can put a
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  Speaker 5: helmet back on and run and.
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  Speaker 4: Then they test you again, and then you have.
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  Speaker 5: To go to clear clear be cleared for full contact,
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  Speaker 5: and then you have to be tested again to be
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  Speaker 5: cleared for the game. So he has multiple hurdles yet
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  Speaker 5: to get back.
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  Speaker 1: Who's Who's the running back that came back insanely fast
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  Speaker 1: from a torn a cl and played for the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: Adrian Peters, not Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: There was somebody who came back in the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: for the Rams that I can't remember.
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  Speaker 4: There was a Texas, Texas running back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, moment the gu the Dobbins thing would remind me
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  Speaker 1: of that. If he can come back and play, is
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  Speaker 1: it No, it's not girly, It wasn't gurly. We'll find it.
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  Speaker 1: But the point is, if Dobbins can come back and play,
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  Speaker 1: I think, even if he's not one hundred percent, it's
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  Speaker 1: such a boost because it would help out between the
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  Speaker 1: tackles running. I think it would give Peyton a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more confidence with his running backs in the backfield
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  Speaker 1: like cam Akers, thank you cam Makers, col But but.
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  Speaker 5: Like he did go to Texas, So I did my draft.
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  Speaker 5: My draft brain only remembers the schools.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, But here's sort of the question that I have,
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  Speaker 1: and this is what I'm battling with. You have a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback that has made four starts, it's gonna play in
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  Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game, haven't started in two years, And
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  Speaker 1: immediately your mind goes too. Well, that team's got no shot.
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  Speaker 1: But the Broncos feel to me a team that is
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  Speaker 1: not built off of a quarterback being good for sixty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not taking anything away from bow He's been
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  Speaker 1: really good at the end of games. But am I
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  Speaker 1: Am I wrong in thinking like this isn't the traditional
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  Speaker 1: way you think about a quarterback a backup being in
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  Speaker 1: this game? Is that wrong to think that way?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I don't, you know, the backups the
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  Speaker 5: backup for a reason. I always you know, I know,
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  Speaker 5: I know out there, you know.
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  Speaker 4: In the he's so negative, Jeff, Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 5: Well, when we all talk about football, there's always this
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  Speaker 5: discussion like they're they're leaving the best players on the bench,
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  Speaker 5: like if that, if that guy would play, they win
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  Speaker 5: every game, Like they don't watch these guys every day
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  Speaker 5: in practice and at the meetings.
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  Speaker 1: And can I give you a quick example of what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure the Broncos worry about being good at
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  Speaker 5: it anything.
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  Speaker 4: For sixty minutes.
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  Speaker 5: They just kind of, you know, slug it out with you,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, at the end of the game they won,
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  Speaker 5: and you're and you're mad.
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  Speaker 1: But Just as an example, on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: the legend, the NFC, it's the Seahawks versus the Rams.
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  Speaker 1: If the Rams are playing their backup quarterback, it would
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  Speaker 1: hurt them way more than the Seahawks, wouldn't it, Because
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  Speaker 1: the Seahawks feel like they they're built around defense and
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  Speaker 1: running the football on that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 5: The rugged teams can overcome injuries better. They're not They're
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  Speaker 5: not pretty to look at, which is why we don't
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  Speaker 5: talk about them in that frame of mind. But that's
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  Speaker 5: always been the case the rugged teams. I mean, way
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  Speaker 5: way back when the steel in the Steelers dynasty is
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  Speaker 5: probably the best example of all time. Terry Bradshaw gets hurt,
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  Speaker 5: frank O Harris gets hurt, and I think that year,
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  Speaker 5: I think their defense put up five shutouts in a
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  Speaker 5: single season. You know, the two thousand Ravens, you know,
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  Speaker 5: were were offensively challenged. The defense just held everybody to
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  Speaker 5: nine points. Essentially, if you're built around defense and you're
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  Speaker 5: a rugged team, you can overcome things that happened to
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  Speaker 5: your offense. And the Broncos are certainly that kind of team.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, just like you know, what they've done on
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  Speaker 5: defense has gotten lost because occasion. You know, they have
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  Speaker 5: this weird sort of you know, they give up explosive
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  Speaker 5: plays at times and you know, or you know, Buffalo
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  Speaker 5: ran the ball well on them for an afternoon. But
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  Speaker 5: their defensive metrics front to back this season are very rare.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Zach Allen leads the league in
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  Speaker 5: quarterback hits, Nick Benito's third in pressure rate, They led
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  Speaker 5: the league in sacks, and they had twenty more sacks
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  Speaker 5: than the next team that made the playoff field. Wow,
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  Speaker 5: twenty more sacks than any other playoff team Legy.
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  Speaker 2: I need to ask this question because it's twofold. JK
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  Speaker 2: Dobbins availability. If he's going to be effective at all,
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  Speaker 2: can he play this Sunday? And here's the question. The
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  Speaker 2: Broncos run game clearly hasn't been what they hoped it be.
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  Speaker 2: Are the Broncos not good at running the ball because
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  Speaker 2: they can't or because they won't.
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  Speaker 5: I'd like to say I can give you an answer,
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  Speaker 5: but when you only give running backs ten carries in
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  Speaker 5: an NFL game, it's hard for me to make a
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  Speaker 5: judgment other than you as the head coach and the
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  Speaker 5: play caller, both which Sean Payton is obviously decided he
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  Speaker 5: only wanted to give his running backs ten carries in
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  Speaker 5: the game.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't do that with Dobbins though this seasons would
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  Speaker 1: carry the ball.
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  Speaker 4: But that's look at the numbers. JK.
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  Speaker 5: Dobbins hasn't played since November sixth, he still leads the
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  Speaker 5: team in rushing back two hundred yards, and he still
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  Speaker 5: has the most runs of ten or more yards he
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  Speaker 5: has twenty one. He hasn't played since novel six he
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  Speaker 5: has twenty one. The next Bronco running back is at fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: Man, hey, Jeff, do me a favorite.
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  Speaker 2: That's that speaks volumes right there?
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  Speaker 4: Yes it does.
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  Speaker 3: And again this gets back to me quote being negative
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  Speaker 3: and whatever. People want to say that if you have
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  Speaker 3: a backup quarterback and you don't have really an established
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  Speaker 3: running game at all, and either one or two wideouts
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  Speaker 3: are going to be out and so I mean, what
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  Speaker 3: what what am I? What am I supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: optimistic about? Offensively? What can they do offensively outside of
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  Speaker 3: just ball control? That makes me think that this is
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  Speaker 3: going to be okay? They I guess, coach me.
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  Speaker 4: Up a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm not gonna like coach your happiness.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's an impossible task.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, I said, I can do many others.
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  Speaker 3: Running coach my happiness all day? Every fan out there
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  Speaker 3: a Texan bose Europe whacked out. They're trying to coach.
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  Speaker 2: My happines leggy Grandpa's cough medicine today.
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  Speaker 4: Take it easy. No, I just uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: can do many things.
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  Speaker 5: I can lift heavy things in life, But I can't
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  Speaker 5: coach your happiness.
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  Speaker 3: Then then then give me a reason to live.
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  Speaker 4: All right, that's a lot of pressure on and let
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  Speaker 4: me let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 5: No, I just I would always offer. Look, defense is
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  Speaker 5: king in the playoffs. We don't want to talk about
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  Speaker 5: you know, the playoffs look different since the playoffs started.
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  Speaker 5: Look how the games have looked. That's not how the
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  Speaker 5: regular season looks. You know, whether it's bad weather or
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  Speaker 5: just pressure is turnovers everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: If the Broncos like the Texans, uh sack Drake May
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  Speaker 5: five times and forced Drake May to fumble four times.
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  Speaker 4: I like their odds, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I you know the Texans who's past rush isn't what
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  Speaker 5: the Broncos is got to May anytime they wanted, and
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  Speaker 5: if their quarterback had not played probably the worst game
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  Speaker 5: of his football life.
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  Speaker 4: The Texans are probably coming here, you know, someday.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what gives me hope. The fact that CJ.
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  Speaker 2: Stroud had a QBR equivalent to just spiking the ball
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  Speaker 2: on every down, that's how bad he was. And the
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  Speaker 2: fact that the Broncos have a backup quarterback who's proven,
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  Speaker 2: he's shown that he's capable of throwing the ball.
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  Speaker 5: He's got to avoid the turnal. Yes, yes, And in
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  Speaker 5: his four starts, this is, you know, the red flag
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  Speaker 5: the Broncos got to deal with. In his four starts,
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  Speaker 5: Stidham's taken thirteen sacks. He has got to have a
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  Speaker 5: way to avoid the five sack day, the sixth sack
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  Speaker 5: day he can't have. He's got to get it out
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  Speaker 5: of his hands, and he can't take risks because he's
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  Speaker 5: trying to go that that he can make the big
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  Speaker 5: money play.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 5: He will be aggressive down the field and there is
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  Speaker 5: no way Sean Payton doesn't call some downfield shots.
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  Speaker 4: I just see it coming.
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  Speaker 2: I said that to start the show as that, I said,
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  Speaker 2: the one teaching aspect this week for Sean Payton will
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  Speaker 2: be to try and teach this guy to throw the
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  Speaker 2: ball on time before the pressure get there. That's the
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  Speaker 2: that's the teaching point. And now whether you can do
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  Speaker 2: it in a week remains to be seen. But why
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you help me out here? You can't run the ball.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't run the ball. There's just nowhere to run
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  Speaker 2: the ball.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, they haven't tried very hard.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, whatever, let's say, why not just lean
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  Speaker 2: into the passing game this week? And I mean lean
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  Speaker 2: into it. I mean short passing game, intermedia passing game.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go, what do you got to lose?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they have done that in some fashion.
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  Speaker 5: Know, all those bubble screens and flash routes, those are
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  Speaker 5: really run plays back in the day. I mean knows,
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  Speaker 5: you know when they're they're just flipping the ball to
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  Speaker 5: the perimeter, to the back or mimes.
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  Speaker 4: That's a run.
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  Speaker 5: Play, you know, in philosophical So they are they are
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  Speaker 5: leaning in like that.
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  Speaker 4: But you know the whole just throw all the time you.
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  Speaker 5: Were, you were serving your quarterback up for serious problems.
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  Speaker 5: And to me, that's that's the issue. You've already got
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  Speaker 5: one who is out. You really can't afford to put
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  Speaker 5: your quarterback in harm's way, you know, unless you're way behind,
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  Speaker 5: and you just got to play that way. But you
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  Speaker 5: know to in today's in the playoffs, especially against the
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  Speaker 5: defense that you see in the playoffs, to simply go
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  Speaker 5: five man protections over and over again, you're just asking
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  Speaker 5: for your guy to take a beating just quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Here, Leggy, this is sort of a two parter or
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  Speaker 1: number one. Am I crazy crazy?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: But am I crazy for this for a kind of
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  Speaker 1: not wanting Pat Bryant to be active because that will
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  Speaker 1: force Marvin Mims into a bigger role like it did
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  Speaker 1: last week and that proved to be very nice. That's one.
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  Speaker 1: Number two?
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  Speaker 2: What was that sentence structure?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Number two?
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  Speaker 1: Can I get a game from the Evan Ingram like
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  Speaker 1: just one? Like this feels like this is Taylor made
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  Speaker 1: injuries to all these different skill position guys. Can I
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  Speaker 1: get an Evan Ingram game this weekend?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I would say Evan can't throw himself the ball.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I just think a lot of
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  Speaker 5: you know, I think when Bo at this point in
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  Speaker 5: his career two years in, which is you know, you're
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  Speaker 5: just barely starting your NFL career as a quarterback, I
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  Speaker 5: think sometimes he goes from the primary to the checkdown,
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  Speaker 5: direct route, nothing in between, and a lot of times
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  Speaker 5: Evan Ingram is one of the progressions in the in
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  Speaker 5: between area. So that's why he doesn't get many targets sometimes,
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  Speaker 5: or why Mims doesn't get many targets because I think
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  Speaker 5: they've told Bow so often, whatever you do, don't take
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  Speaker 5: a sack, because Sean Payton considers sacks turnovers.
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  Speaker 4: I think often he goes from the primary to the.
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  Speaker 5: Checkdown, and your tight end isn't gonna be the checkdown
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  Speaker 5: in this offense a lot, it's gonna be the back,
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  Speaker 5: and it's gonna be you know, somebody else. But I
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  Speaker 5: think with Stidham, you know, he may work some of
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  Speaker 5: those other progressions more because he can't. He doesn't have
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  Speaker 5: Nix's athleticism to pull the ball down and go, so
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  Speaker 5: he may work deeper into the down by a second
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  Speaker 5: or two than Bow may have. But that means the
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  Speaker 5: Broncos are gonna have to protect longer too, But that
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  Speaker 5: that is a spot where they need to attack Nickel defenses,
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  Speaker 5: and that I think that's why they're three and outs
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  Speaker 5: are such a high percentage. They're down near the bottom
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  Speaker 5: of the league again the second year in a row,
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  Speaker 5: and what's been the you know, the common thread in
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  Speaker 5: both those seasons. They don't get much production from the
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  Speaker 5: tight end, because that's the whole against Nickel defenses.
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  Speaker 1: Bowl for the Rams. He was not a Texas guy.
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  Speaker 1: He went to right, he went to Florida State.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: That's my bad. Yeah, it's awful. I'm gonna go. I'm
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: gonna go take a lap.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Go take a Lappreciate it, buddy, Thank you.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awful. Thanks man, It's awful.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I'm tapping out, all right, all right, see you like
• 18:05
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• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the only time I've heard him incorrect on draft prospect
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: going to the NFL. The only time it happens